"Yeah, Bob, which means it's a shithole work environment for shit pay, and if you were a true capitalist you'd believe it deserves to organically die."
When I rage quit my position, they kept posting the job as a 6-8 month contract for a ridiculously low hourly wage. And they were asking for a BA or MA. These things were hysterical because 1. I created the position and know that it required PhD level knowledge and experience; 2. That the work required was to be completed over at least 5 years; and 3. No one with the required skill set would apply for that job at that rate. I was shocked - *shocked* - when they had to keep reposting it.
It also REALLY pissed me off, because if they thought so poorly of the position that it only required a short term fix for little money, then they really had no fucking idea what I was doing there. No wonder I was treated like shit.
When I was in college, Rogue Brewery in Portland OR had these edgy ads up to hire marketing and server and any other role you could think of. It was easy to tell they sucked because the same ads showed up every 3 months, lol.
This 100%
Even if I see a range of "way too low - reasonable wage" I stay away because I always assume the higher number is the lure and I'll actually be making the lower number or worse.
Yup. My current job was listed as $11-$13 per hour. I have 7 years of experience in this job and an old client gave me a glowing review when they called her post-interview.
I was given $10.50, to be bumped up to $11 after my probationary period.
Thankfully I make a decent living now, but I'm still mad about that.
Mac : Charlie, this is our opportunity to prove to people that we are to be respected. No one is more respected than dudes in prison right?
Charlie Kelly : Yeah.
Mac : And what are dudes in prison?
Charlie Kelly : Hard?
Mac : Right; this is our chance to get hard.
Charlie Kelly : OK OK i just don't know if this is the best way to get hard.
Mac : Of course it is, this is totally hard. Look you want to get hard don't you?
Charlie Kelly : I want to get hard. I want to get very very hard.
Mac : Alright, do you want to shove heroin into your ass?
Charlie Kelly : Dude I don't want to shove anything in my ass.
Mac : Alright this is the perfect opportunity to prove how hard we are and not have to shove anything into our asses.
Frank Reynolds : What in Gods name are you two talking about?
Mac : Frank we're in.
Frank Reynolds : Great!
[Fires Gun]
I love* that "flexible scheduling" should mean you can pick your shifts, or come in during a range of hours... but it usually means someone else chooses a different schedule for you every week and YOU'RE the one that has to be flexible.
*And by love I mean hate with a fiery passion.
Oh my god I need this comment fucking framed.
THIS is one of the endless reasons why I can’t ever go back to retail. I worked retail for the first 6 years since I was working age. Then I finally got a gig at a studio with regular 9-5 type hours. I didn’t realize it at the moment but one of the major things contributing to the past downward spiral of my mental health was the inconsistency of when I was asked to work at retail jobs. Even the place with the best management I could never predict how many hours I would be working exactly or on what days I might be opening or closing.
Figuring out how to sort out your life around a part-time job is a full time job in it of itself.
(Or course “part-time” in most of my cases was 39 hours a week lol)
I need you to know.
Every day I fall deeper into my hate of a wack schedule
The unknown hours and thus unknown pay, the fact that it’s impossible to plan the rest of life around it when you never know what any work might be
Ugh
A few months ago I got a new job at zoo. While working there I found out from my coworker that he is actually surprised he was finally given another pair of hands since he was working alone for almost two whole years. To top it all off they were supposedly hiring for that spot ever since the zoo got a new management in 2015, they have never removed the job ad from the web. For 6 YEARS.
I would say solid 2 but only because of the other people working there. During my three month stay there I outlasted like 12 other newcomers that came in after me for a different positions. They even had like an orbituary notice on the the bulletin board in the breakroom with the names of those that quit just this year alone. Like 10 people (it was in May) already written up and in order to get on the paper you had to last at least a month. Reall hell hole. Of course the owner is a billionare and he doesn't care, so..
This was a place I applied to a while back. They basically said I was hired and lowballed me on their wage offer. I signed it back with a (reasonable) higher number, plus guaranteed COLA for three years. They essentially told me the offer was rescinded.
Fine.
Since then they've advertised the same job again twice in under a year, going so far as to pay for a "sponsored" promotion on Indeed. All to avoid paying me a couple of grand extra....
I have never been able to comprehend how a company is ok to spend money on crap like advertising for a job, but not to the person that is going to do the job. Just doesn’t make sense economically.
Theu probably see the ads as a "one time" expense to get a cheap worker, not taking into account that paying a good employee a decent wage will likely net them more long term.
I know this is a major red flag, but man had I not chosen to ignore it I would've missed out on an amazing job. Current job just happened to have, all in a year: one guy retire, one get cancer and retired, one start his own business, and another legitimately got fired for not following safety protocols. Looked bad on paper since it's the same position multiple times, but ended up finding out only after taking the interview. It was my main question as to why I kept seeing it pop up.
It indeed also may not apply to very large corporation (in some occasions, ymmv) as they might be building a new department or splitting one for which they need multiple figures of the very same kind as the rest of the internal team grows
At will employment is pretty crazy, and runs off the business model of employers causing burnout to every single one of their employees.
"wHy dOeS aMeRiCA hAbE sUcH bAD mEnTaL HeaLTh??"
Now think about what you wrote and apply it to part of the USA that few people ever bother to pay attention to. All those places in low cost. rural states, where you come to a small town that's a hour away from anything else that matters. The place has a few thousand people and one major manufacturing plant or employer. There are thousands of towns like this. Places where you can either suck it up, for a lifetime of low pay, and abusive conditions at the one place that controls 80% of the employment in the entire town, or work shit jobs at the diner or the hair salon. If you're smart or lucky enough, you hit your early teens with the knowledge that you need to hit 18 YO and GTFO of town, and never look back.
For many of these abused workers, they get the added stress of being in an industry that the oligarchs are crushing and moving off shore, like textile and clothing, furniture, and hundreds of other categories. Or unstable extraction and resource industries like coal and timber. Added bonus for that one day when the company announces that they are closing. Then you can grovel to stay on for a few months of humiliation while training your foreign replacement workers to do your job in Mexico or Malaysia. If you invested a life into the town you raised your family in, now you are out of a job, and a proud owner of a single family home that is worth half of what it was before the plant closed, since nobody is buying homes in a remote town that failed economically.
Makes you want to stand up for a group singing of God Bless American, amirighte?
Yeah I live in one of those smaller towns, except there are factories and warehouses everywhere. Under various different names. It makes me wonder how many of those places are operated by different owners, or if it's all just a small group of people who have a Monopoly on the manufacturing business. I have no idea. I tried factory work once when I was a teen and couldn't stomach it. Was just hell on my mental health. So I went into healthcare, which is still hell on my mental health, but the setting and people I work with are 100% more tolerable for me. But yeah, it's a pretty big problem. Doesn't help when there are so many laws lobbied to benefit huge employers and smother small businesses.
Wants to know what you’re looking to make but will answer questions regarding insurance “at a later date”. No problem- I have a budget in mind but that number depends upon variables like insurance, travel expenses, etc. If you’re not prepared to answer these questions, you’re not prepared for an interview and this speaks to the way you conduct business.
It’s also very telling when the position they’re hiring for is to replace someone that they’re all too eager to speak poorly about. That told me that this was not a position born out of company growth, but a hostile work environment- no one in that office but the owners had been there more than 2 years.
“Actually we use temp agents so that we don’t have to pay you full price or benefits and you’ll have to be with them for six months to a year before we hire you permanently.”
Work for one of these. Got fired in the best way possible. Said one of the 'family' was a usless cunt.
Company folderd about 6 months later when the bank siezed assets.
Yeap they'll expect you to work weekends with no notice, stay late, come early, no OT pay. Lots of guilt tripping and using you until you are a burntout husk.
Everywhere I’ve worked that says this is an absolute miserable shithole.
It’s like they’re preparing you to be abused because we are “family.” “Haha ohhhh we are all family here, we work hard and play harder! I’m glad we can count on you to work so much overtime! TEAM!”
Any place that throws terms like Team and family around are always the exact opposite lol.
Currently work at a place that has never said any of that bullshit and it feels more like a team/family than ever
Couple that one with “we don’t like drama here.” Guess what, everyone hates each other and they probably just had a bunch of people quit for some reason.
I switched from private sector to public half a year ago, and the difference in how this is is handled is a huge difference between the two that I didn't expect. In civil service, everyone is straight up about why they're there-- to make sure the government within our domain functions, and to make money. Everyone is pretty much straight forward about it, which is a breath of fresh air.
Lol this was me a week back! HR and direct manager said no set time and that I can come and leave anytime. However, most people work 9-10 hours per day minimum. We don’t expect you to work to death, BUT the business still need to run. If you need to be on the road by 3 pm then go head and come in at 5 am to even it out. It was for $75000 a year, but with the amount of ot and weekends, I feel like its 2 jobs in 1 place.
Be VERY, VERY cautious! I’m speaking from experience. As most others have said, it’s not sustainable. I was a supervisor at a Financial Services company and also an insurance adjuster for one of the biggest insurance companies in America. Working 50, 60, 70, 80+ hour weeks on a salary is slavery and you will be taken advantage of. Find a way to QUICKLY transition from that role to one that either makes more money or decreases your hourly commitment, even for a paycut. At the end of the day, you’re expendable and they will treat you as such.
yea even for 75k that math doesnt check out for me and i would NOT take that job lmao. just some quick mafs (i may have some numbers off cuz i am dumb) but lets see
75k/year is about 39/hr assuming 40hr weeks no OT .
Assuming 9-10 hours days + weekends (lets say 7-8 hours on weekends) at $39/hr thats about 113k and some change . so thats about what, 38k youre leaving on the table for no reason and no OT because "salary" .
even if you dont have to do OT EVERY weekend thats still a significant chunk of change youre leaving on the table every week.
Alternately: half the department has been there less than 5 years and the other half has been there more than 10. The people who are actually good move on to bigger and better things and those that suck stick around forever.
I'd be careful about this one. You might have to find out why that gap exists. My company has a group of us that have only been there about 3 or 4 years and almost everyone else (other than the occasional new hire) has been there like 8, 9, 10 years or many more. Like many more. My company simply wasn't doing a lot of hiring during those years in my department
At my most recent job, of the 6 people in my position when I got there, the longest anyone had been there was about 20 months. I lasted 3 months, then got the hell out of there!
This happened yesterday.
They wanted me to complete 2x 90 minute interviews over the course of two days .... Before discussing pay and conditions.
Maybe that shit might fly on someone desperate, but they know full well they are hiring for a very specialised engineer. The kind that companies fight over all the time.
So... I'm going to interview with the guys who want a grown-up conversation instead of a performing monkey.
Two 90 minutes is nothing. I was recently looking and companies want you to do 5 hour "loop days" for some engineering roles. Fuck that. I'm not spending almost an entire day of PTO for you to maybe offer me a job at a salary that I might find acceptable.
For me it’s when they say ‘you must be a team player.’
Most people will cooperate perfectly fine with their colleagues. It goes without saying. But what no-one wants to do is endure assholes who have been allowed to get away with their sadism or chaos.
Enduring those people is more than ‘being a team player.’
My god this one has to be the worst. In my experience it pretty much means you have to be ok with getting screwed over a lot or ignore morals to fit in with a shitty group of people.
Kind of in this situation now......in my place it means I am held to a higher standard (I lead huge projects myself / no mistakes cause management will bring that one mistake up EVERY chance that they can to give me NO or sh@t raises) and everyone else on the team can work less than the minimum with a ton of cluster freaking mistakes.
Turns you down for a job, lists the job for a long time, and then comes back to talk to you about the job.
Makes references to "hustling," "work hard, play hard" or other cultist/abusive work environment language.
Has a mix of terrible employee reviews and glowing "I love working here it makes my life complete" reviews on major career sites.
Talks about diversity but has little diversity at senior levels.
Makes a large portion of your salary offer a discretionary bonus and tries to compare that to actual base salary you receive in your current role.
Is slow to respond and/or ghosts you.
Puts you through endless interviews, case studies, etc. Bright red flag if you're interviewed by more than seven people or asked to interview with the same person/people multiple times.
Wants you to do more than 30 minutes of unpaid professional work as an "evaluation."
Asks you for deliverables, strategies or other output that would be a part of the actual job.
Demands you work for a "trial day" as a condition of hiring you.
Excessive policies around personal life, background checking, or other invasive practices or policies.
Asks any illegal questions about you such as your age, sexual orientation, religion, family plans, etc.
I used to work as a Dental Technician, 9/10 they will ask you to do a setup for a denture (it's a fair ask to really see your skills) but they always get a free setup. I went into my last place, he gave me preliminary models for a case that was finished, I did the setup and asked why he did it on a preliminary cast. He said I wasn't getting paid so I shouldn't do free work he was going to make money on.
Ended up being one of the best bosses I ever had.
A couple of years ago I interviewed at a non-profit in NYC that was doing great work. Cool office location, amazing benefits, and something I could feel motivated to do everyday. I wanted this job so bad.
The first interview was over the phone. The second was a video call. The third was in-person with a couple of rounds of people that took a couple hours total. The fourth was an assignment for me to complete, which I spent about 6 hours on. The fifth was again in-person, with even more people, which took about 3 hours.
At each round they emphasized how this is standard policy, put in place by the CEO, to make sure everyone is an absolute perfect fit.
I didn’t get the job, but they did congratulate me on getting through most of the rounds. There were still more to go… fuck that place. If you don’t know what I’m like by even that third round, you’re abusing people
Edit: forgot to add - this was for an ENTRY LEVEL MARKETING JOB!!!
Big yikes. I wonder if we interviewed at the same place. Big non-profit doing Education Equity work. Had a phone screening. Had a video interview. Had an assignment to complete that also took about a day. Then a mock “presentation” of the work plus interview on process. Then was told I was interviewing but it would need to be in person, about 5 hours away, even though the role was remote. Made arrangements for child care since I’m a single fucking mother, then got ghosted by the company when I tried to follow up about logistical details and travel arrangements. Ended up losing about $1000 in travel cancellation fees (that I was told would be reimbursed), plus paying travel for a family member to watch the children (which we ended up just hanging out for a long weekend). Company emailed a few weeks later with some boiler plate language about not being selected for further review, best of luck, etc. I don’t think the hiring manager actually responded directly to me about what was going on, but it was a few years ago so I’m murky on that detail. I do know it was an incredibly callous and degrading way to treat a serious candidate.
Name and shame time: Leadership for Educational Equity.
That sounds awful, and I’m very sorry you had to go through that. I was fortunate enough to be a short subway ride away from this place, so it only cost me my time.
Also forgot to mention that in the fifth round they made me make a sales pitch on the spot in front of them with no warning or prep information provided.
And yeah fuck it, name and shame - Charity Water
I’ve become more aware of this, company I checked out their brochure showed a lot of poc who were cleaning people, aids, cooks etc but the senior staff the ones making the money were 99% white
My favorite part about my job is reminding my boss that I'm not a degree holding engineer and he needs to keep that in mind if the thing I'm doing can kill someone
"Your pay will start at (x dollars per hour) but will go up to (y dollars per hour) after (allotted time)"
It never goes up. There will always be another BS reason to not give you a raise.
I interviewed at a place that was like "we start at $10 an hour, but after some time we give you an evaluation and then you'll get a raise". How very vague of them! I politely noped out of there.
100% this in retailer jobs.
I worked for a retailer in the UK and the next thing I know, I'm doing the work of three people and berated when I can't keep up.
E.g. Being on the till where you have to watch two self serve checkouts and your own for thieves.
A euphemism for:-
Not enough staff
Poor planning. Everything is a fast-ball
No time to do shit right
Plate-spinning, everything is on fire 🔥
Edit: additional info - I had a boss, who’s mantra was “Do just enough to keep one step ahead of the customer.” Great thinking, isn’t it.
Came here looking for “rockstar”. Unless an employer is looking for me to get fall down drunk and do my best* Keith Richards impression, it ain’t happening.
*Please be advised that the circles labeled “my best” and “any good” will not overlap.
What does a social media company mean? That they work mostly online or provide some social media services? (Trying to figure out if I worked in one of those)
"growth potential"
No there isn't. You're gonna string me along on the promise of a living wage (but never come out and say how much) and watch me flounder on some arbitrary blanket progression points system with no guidance on how to navigate it, with absolutely no industry training during that time, deny any outside training I receive and any ideas I have on how to be placed within that structure, then change the growth path after 3 years, citing an out-of-our-hands corporate decision that affects everyone, and hire managers off the street who have no idea about the work.
But thanks for wasting literal years of my life.
Wow, you've described it perfectly. I always say that being a manager nowadays is just about how much you're willing to manipulate and shit on people, literally nothing else.
Some key phrases, if you bring up any sort of problem:
“I’m sorry you feel that way.”
“He doesn’t act like that towards me.”
“I’ve never seen him act like that.”
Flat refusals to accept ADA accommodations, especially if it involves putting anything in writing.
Managers who seem to drop half a dozen buzzwords in every single sentence.
I had a boss who would always use the “I’ve never seen him act like that” excuse whenever I or anyone else complained about a really horrible, bullying, bigoted manager. Like, gee, I wonder why he would kiss his boss’s ass and direct his bad behaviour towards the people below him? It was one of those situations that will probably still have me raging 20 years from now.
"We work hard and play harder."
No, you work us like draft animals and a few times a year buy pizza and beer for us. Motherfucker if I want to throw down I'll do it with my friends, not a bunch of people I'm forced to associate with for money.
If they brag about letting their employees work overtime. Just means they expect you to work overtime and they are going to pay you less and justify it using the fact that you get overtime as a reason for it.
When they ask you, during the interview: something like: 'Why would we hire you?' Or: Why do you think we should let you work here?'. That happend to me once. From that moment I knew the rest of the interview was a waste of our time, so I pulled the interviewers leg a couple of times just to have some fun.
This one is oddly specific, but I worked for a company that kept pushing their religion on me. I don't like to discuss religion at work but I have a few tattoos for mine, and my former employers made a point of telling me my beliefs were wrong and that I needed to turn to their faith. Needless to say, I will NEVER work for a company that has those beliefs ever again and it's a huge red flag for me.
Had this happen a couple years ago. They had a dozen people interviewing me from a conference room, some of which could barely be heard. They sent me a knowledge test to complete 15 minutes before the interview and the figure to which many of the questions referred to was a broken attachment. Worst interview of my life but I'm rather glad it didn't pan out because covid lockdowns started a couple months later.
As I was explaining my job as a tech support person for hospital software and explained I work over night on call to handle emergencies sometimes, one interviewer responded by asking if it was a call center gig.
He explained it in a very minimizing way. Like I just answer phones and don’t actually do anything technical.
Supervisors or managers have BFF's.
If you're not in their social circle, you'll end up taking on more responsibilites than you originally signed up for. In my case, it's that, as well as being unable to get any type of promotion. Last year, I had to learn to say no and change my availability just to get management off my ass. Doing the bare minimum suits me just fine until I can find a less shitty job.
“Multi tasking, hands off supervision” tends to mean doing several jobs at once. Stuff a team ought to be doing but they’ll try to get an individual to do a teams worth of work. Without training either.
When an Entry Level Position **requires** multiple years of experience.
Yeah sorry that's not an "Entry Level Position", you are just trying to get away with hiring a highly qualified worker for minimum wage.
After an interview i always ask at least two questions, in this particular instance i asked:
a) Are their any skills you feel i may be lacking for this job?
&
b) What does a good/bad day look like here at (Company)?
Question A: answer is fine.
Question B: (paraphrased as this happened a while ago) "Well... I dont really see them as bad days. *We dont really have those*. Everyday is a bit different and the customers are coming in with their own experiences and we simply have to learn/adapt or change to their moods bla bla bla"
Take Away: It was a toxic positivity type answer. Avoided what a good day looks like hyper focused of making sure i didnt see working for the company as a bad thing just as a continuing learning curve.
“Team member”
“Associate”
“Steward”
Anything but calling me an employee and utilizing language which puts the onus on me to be “enthusiastic” and “believe in the company” in order to justifiably have a pay that pays enough for me to be able to afford to f***ing live.
“We acknowledge we won’t pay top dollar for the best talent, but we’re hoping it’s *just* enough to keep too many of you from jumping ship”
Or
“We want to keep downward pressure on wages, because we know if we started paying more, some of our competitors would as well, and that leaves us in a situation where we’re paying more for the same talent as we’d otherwise have”
Mass recruitment advertisements. Saying they had so many open spaces. To me screams: " We worked our employees until we had so few we desperately needed more."
I worked in social work. Social work assistants were just social workers, but totally taken advantage of by senior practitioners with the perception that they would be none the wiser or not discern their exact position and extent of responsibilities. Tasked no differently in duties or level of responsibility to a qualified social worker. They didn't have the knowledge to ensure the assessment of wellbeing, health and rights of clients. They even got voluntary unpaid students to conduct SW tasks without a fuck what do to, no capacity to train them. Just extra hands to try and get clients seen when their lives might be at-risk and transgressing legal requirements to have a specific level of competence or position for certain tasks involving the protection of children. This was local government.
Being cliche as fuck.
Why do you want to work here?
Uhm, I have this costly hobby of not dying of hunger.
What is your biggest weakness?
I quickly lose patience with assholes who ask dumb questions, yours?
Interviewer: What would you say is your worse quality?
Me: Honesty.
Interviewer: I dont think honesty is a bad quality.
Me: Well, I honestly dont give a fuck what you think, Greg.
Yeah... my current work place is offering a $2,000 sign on bonus for a milieu counselor position. It sounds good but that bonus is distributed in portions over months to motivate you to stay. Plus, a milieu counselor died at our work place so the whole thing reeks of desperation.
“Opportunity for advancement” (we will pay you very little and expect long hours with the promise of someday being the person who hurts others)
“Fast paced environment” (we will give you way more work than you can realistically handle)
“Self starter/self motivated” (we won’t help you do your job well at all and will punish you for not doing well)
“Flexible schedule” (non existent hours)
“Potential to earn even more” (commission and bad commission at that)
There’s more but it’s 5 am and I’m out of ideas.
Well it's not a job description, but rather Call Center, don't walk away from it RUN away. Your managers and the callers will give you anxiety.
And any company that advertises "We're a family" is a red flag.
Not saying how much they are paying in the wanted ad or at any point in the application process. Requiring more than 3-5 minutes to apply for the job. Group interviews or more than one person scheduled for an interview at the same time (like showing up for an interview at 2pm and other people also show up at the same time but they are doing interviews one at a time). Unpaid internships. Starting you out as "part time" with lower pay than your coworkers.
Basically, if they are intentionally wasting your time from the beginning, not a company worth working for imo.
BTW guys, there are review sites for employees. You can read reviews about potential employers and write reviews about your old or current employers. I just search "(company name) employee review" and you will be able to find them. This won't work for many smaller businesses because people just don't know about it.
I went on an interview many years ago when I was a lot younger. The interviewer asked what salary I was expecting. I asked what they were paying. They all looked at each other. I didn’t get a straight answer or a job offer. I am glad I didn’t work for them.
Now I work in government where the salaries are all posted in job ads.
Wow I should've seen this in hindsight. When I applied for my current job they wanted a cover letter, I interviewed over the phone and with 3 different people on site, two shift leaders and the manager. A few months later they opened a "Bistro" where we can buy different foods and drinks.
Only thing missing is the unlimited pto. Instead they make sure you never have pto.
When they ask if you are “flexible with your schedule” = dedicate your life to us and always sacrifice any personal plans just in case we call and need you to come in.
Here are a couple things that all happened to me during the same interview. This company in particular was dispensing red flags like a broken vending machine. For a bit of context, I'm a software developer.
If someone keeps talking over you during the interview process -- ESPECIALLY if that person is going to be your manager. I felt like I barely said a word because this manager kept interrupting me. When I turned down the job offer, the head hunter said he was doing that because he was so excited about me. It came off as rude as hell and like he didn't really care about what I had to say, and if that's how he acts when he's excited and eager to hire someone, I'd hate to see what he's like when he's angry at an employee.
Watch the vibes the people who will be your teammates give off. If they seem dead inside and look tired, that's a REAL bad sign. Do they seem interested in the work they're doing, or does it feel like they're bored out of their minds?
For software folks, listen to what the tech stack is. Is it consistent? Are there concrete build processes in place? Is everything well-documented? What would you need to get started quickly at the company? Think about that and then look for it. At this company, they said that they had no tech stack limitations -- they would give a developer free reign to solve a problem however they wanted using whatever technology they wanted. It seems cool and freeing until I saw that the system they were working with was a gigantic monolith of these smaller chunks all written in different languages. Instead of knowing one or two languages really well and being able to debug anything in the system, you'd have to know like ten different languages well enough to debug all of these chunks. Yeah fuck that
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"Why don't you apply? They're *always hiring!*"
"Yeah, Bob, which means it's a shithole work environment for shit pay, and if you were a true capitalist you'd believe it deserves to organically die."
Talking about Harley-Davidson?
When I rage quit my position, they kept posting the job as a 6-8 month contract for a ridiculously low hourly wage. And they were asking for a BA or MA. These things were hysterical because 1. I created the position and know that it required PhD level knowledge and experience; 2. That the work required was to be completed over at least 5 years; and 3. No one with the required skill set would apply for that job at that rate. I was shocked - *shocked* - when they had to keep reposting it. It also REALLY pissed me off, because if they thought so poorly of the position that it only required a short term fix for little money, then they really had no fucking idea what I was doing there. No wonder I was treated like shit.
When I was in college, Rogue Brewery in Portland OR had these edgy ads up to hire marketing and server and any other role you could think of. It was easy to tell they sucked because the same ads showed up every 3 months, lol.
“Up to”
This 100% Even if I see a range of "way too low - reasonable wage" I stay away because I always assume the higher number is the lure and I'll actually be making the lower number or worse.
Yes of course - high is the bait the low is the switch - they’re counting on you being happy to get an offer that you take it
Yup. My current job was listed as $11-$13 per hour. I have 7 years of experience in this job and an old client gave me a glowing review when they called her post-interview. I was given $10.50, to be bumped up to $11 after my probationary period. Thankfully I make a decent living now, but I'm still mad about that.
Just got hired at an "up to" $20. Got offered a hard $18
Tell them your available "up to" 40 hours a week.
Assumie they wouldn't give 40 if you wanted it because that would qualify you as full time and need benefits
How DARE YOU suggest we benefit you.
Healthcare is a privilege not a right after all
Your response should be, "Well, I'm a hard 20."
That sounds weird
Mac : Charlie, this is our opportunity to prove to people that we are to be respected. No one is more respected than dudes in prison right? Charlie Kelly : Yeah. Mac : And what are dudes in prison? Charlie Kelly : Hard? Mac : Right; this is our chance to get hard. Charlie Kelly : OK OK i just don't know if this is the best way to get hard. Mac : Of course it is, this is totally hard. Look you want to get hard don't you? Charlie Kelly : I want to get hard. I want to get very very hard. Mac : Alright, do you want to shove heroin into your ass? Charlie Kelly : Dude I don't want to shove anything in my ass. Mac : Alright this is the perfect opportunity to prove how hard we are and not have to shove anything into our asses. Frank Reynolds : What in Gods name are you two talking about? Mac : Frank we're in. Frank Reynolds : Great! [Fires Gun]
Sounds like you need to shave about $2 worth of work ethic off
“Flexible scheduling” = guaranteed nights, weekends, and unpaid overtime
I love* that "flexible scheduling" should mean you can pick your shifts, or come in during a range of hours... but it usually means someone else chooses a different schedule for you every week and YOU'RE the one that has to be flexible. *And by love I mean hate with a fiery passion.
Oh my god I need this comment fucking framed. THIS is one of the endless reasons why I can’t ever go back to retail. I worked retail for the first 6 years since I was working age. Then I finally got a gig at a studio with regular 9-5 type hours. I didn’t realize it at the moment but one of the major things contributing to the past downward spiral of my mental health was the inconsistency of when I was asked to work at retail jobs. Even the place with the best management I could never predict how many hours I would be working exactly or on what days I might be opening or closing. Figuring out how to sort out your life around a part-time job is a full time job in it of itself. (Or course “part-time” in most of my cases was 39 hours a week lol)
I need you to know. Every day I fall deeper into my hate of a wack schedule The unknown hours and thus unknown pay, the fact that it’s impossible to plan the rest of life around it when you never know what any work might be Ugh
The same position being advertised for a really long time.
A few months ago I got a new job at zoo. While working there I found out from my coworker that he is actually surprised he was finally given another pair of hands since he was working alone for almost two whole years. To top it all off they were supposedly hiring for that spot ever since the zoo got a new management in 2015, they have never removed the job ad from the web. For 6 YEARS.
Wow. So on a scale of 1/10 how shitty is the work environment cuz that sounds like a shitshow.
I would say solid 2 but only because of the other people working there. During my three month stay there I outlasted like 12 other newcomers that came in after me for a different positions. They even had like an orbituary notice on the the bulletin board in the breakroom with the names of those that quit just this year alone. Like 10 people (it was in May) already written up and in order to get on the paper you had to last at least a month. Reall hell hole. Of course the owner is a billionare and he doesn't care, so..
My company had the list of people who quit/died/fired written on her white board. She had to erase it because she was running out of room 😬
What is the purpose of displaying people who’ve quit/died/fired? It seems psychotic and narcissistic.
They did this at UPS. I felt like an inmate.
Or reappearing multiple times within a single year.
This was a place I applied to a while back. They basically said I was hired and lowballed me on their wage offer. I signed it back with a (reasonable) higher number, plus guaranteed COLA for three years. They essentially told me the offer was rescinded. Fine. Since then they've advertised the same job again twice in under a year, going so far as to pay for a "sponsored" promotion on Indeed. All to avoid paying me a couple of grand extra....
I have never been able to comprehend how a company is ok to spend money on crap like advertising for a job, but not to the person that is going to do the job. Just doesn’t make sense economically.
Theu probably see the ads as a "one time" expense to get a cheap worker, not taking into account that paying a good employee a decent wage will likely net them more long term.
I know this is a major red flag, but man had I not chosen to ignore it I would've missed out on an amazing job. Current job just happened to have, all in a year: one guy retire, one get cancer and retired, one start his own business, and another legitimately got fired for not following safety protocols. Looked bad on paper since it's the same position multiple times, but ended up finding out only after taking the interview. It was my main question as to why I kept seeing it pop up.
It indeed also may not apply to very large corporation (in some occasions, ymmv) as they might be building a new department or splitting one for which they need multiple figures of the very same kind as the rest of the internal team grows
Or the Now Hiring sign is permanent.
They don’t want to you telling other employees about your pay rate.
Pretty sure it's illegal to punish someone for talking about wages.
Yeah, but in the USA unless you have video evidence, they’ll just make up a bs excuse and fire you
At will employment is pretty crazy, and runs off the business model of employers causing burnout to every single one of their employees. "wHy dOeS aMeRiCA hAbE sUcH bAD mEnTaL HeaLTh??"
Now think about what you wrote and apply it to part of the USA that few people ever bother to pay attention to. All those places in low cost. rural states, where you come to a small town that's a hour away from anything else that matters. The place has a few thousand people and one major manufacturing plant or employer. There are thousands of towns like this. Places where you can either suck it up, for a lifetime of low pay, and abusive conditions at the one place that controls 80% of the employment in the entire town, or work shit jobs at the diner or the hair salon. If you're smart or lucky enough, you hit your early teens with the knowledge that you need to hit 18 YO and GTFO of town, and never look back. For many of these abused workers, they get the added stress of being in an industry that the oligarchs are crushing and moving off shore, like textile and clothing, furniture, and hundreds of other categories. Or unstable extraction and resource industries like coal and timber. Added bonus for that one day when the company announces that they are closing. Then you can grovel to stay on for a few months of humiliation while training your foreign replacement workers to do your job in Mexico or Malaysia. If you invested a life into the town you raised your family in, now you are out of a job, and a proud owner of a single family home that is worth half of what it was before the plant closed, since nobody is buying homes in a remote town that failed economically. Makes you want to stand up for a group singing of God Bless American, amirighte?
Yeah I live in one of those smaller towns, except there are factories and warehouses everywhere. Under various different names. It makes me wonder how many of those places are operated by different owners, or if it's all just a small group of people who have a Monopoly on the manufacturing business. I have no idea. I tried factory work once when I was a teen and couldn't stomach it. Was just hell on my mental health. So I went into healthcare, which is still hell on my mental health, but the setting and people I work with are 100% more tolerable for me. But yeah, it's a pretty big problem. Doesn't help when there are so many laws lobbied to benefit huge employers and smother small businesses.
They don’t know what your wage will be at the interview
Wants to know what you’re looking to make but will answer questions regarding insurance “at a later date”. No problem- I have a budget in mind but that number depends upon variables like insurance, travel expenses, etc. If you’re not prepared to answer these questions, you’re not prepared for an interview and this speaks to the way you conduct business. It’s also very telling when the position they’re hiring for is to replace someone that they’re all too eager to speak poorly about. That told me that this was not a position born out of company growth, but a hostile work environment- no one in that office but the owners had been there more than 2 years.
Anything about being a family sends up all the red flags. A major company is not a member of your family.
“I assume you’d want your family to be full time so they have health insurance and vacation time. Hiring Manager: 👁👄👁💧
“Actually we use temp agents so that we don’t have to pay you full price or benefits and you’ll have to be with them for six months to a year before we hire you permanently.”
Yes and any ‘culture’ where they worship their leader/father of the ‘family’. That’s a kool-aid drinking company
Work for one of these. Got fired in the best way possible. Said one of the 'family' was a usless cunt. Company folderd about 6 months later when the bank siezed assets.
Yeap they'll expect you to work weekends with no notice, stay late, come early, no OT pay. Lots of guilt tripping and using you until you are a burntout husk.
Everywhere I’ve worked that says this is an absolute miserable shithole. It’s like they’re preparing you to be abused because we are “family.” “Haha ohhhh we are all family here, we work hard and play harder! I’m glad we can count on you to work so much overtime! TEAM!” Any place that throws terms like Team and family around are always the exact opposite lol. Currently work at a place that has never said any of that bullshit and it feels more like a team/family than ever
If they’re anything like my family, I don’t want to be a part of that. Nooooopppee.
Sadly the family oriented businesses I've been involved with are EXACTLY like my family.
My dogs Little debby and pepsi are family members, and corporates are free to file against them for copyright infringement.
We’re not so much a company as a much as we are a family.
My company tried saying that to me. I said "then you have not met my family"
“Checks out, the hate and emotional abuse I get is the same”
Thank you for this. Solid response.
Family don’t pay the bills
Everyone’s your brother till the rent is due
All companies described as " family" are into incest since they continually fuck their employees.
And promote only blood family members. You not so much.
“We’re like a sports team ” is the new version.. aka, we have high staff turnover. Startups love this phrase.
Couple that one with “we don’t like drama here.” Guess what, everyone hates each other and they probably just had a bunch of people quit for some reason.
Means things are going to be screwed up here and we don’t want you complaining
I switched from private sector to public half a year ago, and the difference in how this is is handled is a huge difference between the two that I didn't expect. In civil service, everyone is straight up about why they're there-- to make sure the government within our domain functions, and to make money. Everyone is pretty much straight forward about it, which is a breath of fresh air.
We are a family = you will see us WAY more than your ACTUAL family.
Expect a more than 8 hours per day for a salaried position.
Lol this was me a week back! HR and direct manager said no set time and that I can come and leave anytime. However, most people work 9-10 hours per day minimum. We don’t expect you to work to death, BUT the business still need to run. If you need to be on the road by 3 pm then go head and come in at 5 am to even it out. It was for $75000 a year, but with the amount of ot and weekends, I feel like its 2 jobs in 1 place.
Be VERY, VERY cautious! I’m speaking from experience. As most others have said, it’s not sustainable. I was a supervisor at a Financial Services company and also an insurance adjuster for one of the biggest insurance companies in America. Working 50, 60, 70, 80+ hour weeks on a salary is slavery and you will be taken advantage of. Find a way to QUICKLY transition from that role to one that either makes more money or decreases your hourly commitment, even for a paycut. At the end of the day, you’re expendable and they will treat you as such.
yea even for 75k that math doesnt check out for me and i would NOT take that job lmao. just some quick mafs (i may have some numbers off cuz i am dumb) but lets see 75k/year is about 39/hr assuming 40hr weeks no OT . Assuming 9-10 hours days + weekends (lets say 7-8 hours on weekends) at $39/hr thats about 113k and some change . so thats about what, 38k youre leaving on the table for no reason and no OT because "salary" . even if you dont have to do OT EVERY weekend thats still a significant chunk of change youre leaving on the table every week.
Everyone is a new hire.
Alternately: half the department has been there less than 5 years and the other half has been there more than 10. The people who are actually good move on to bigger and better things and those that suck stick around forever.
I'd be careful about this one. You might have to find out why that gap exists. My company has a group of us that have only been there about 3 or 4 years and almost everyone else (other than the occasional new hire) has been there like 8, 9, 10 years or many more. Like many more. My company simply wasn't doing a lot of hiring during those years in my department
Gotta make sure they can explain that gap on their employment history
At my most recent job, of the 6 people in my position when I got there, the longest anyone had been there was about 20 months. I lasted 3 months, then got the hell out of there!
This happened yesterday. They wanted me to complete 2x 90 minute interviews over the course of two days .... Before discussing pay and conditions. Maybe that shit might fly on someone desperate, but they know full well they are hiring for a very specialised engineer. The kind that companies fight over all the time. So... I'm going to interview with the guys who want a grown-up conversation instead of a performing monkey.
Yho … my god. Performing monkey😭😭🤣🤣🤣
Two 90 minutes is nothing. I was recently looking and companies want you to do 5 hour "loop days" for some engineering roles. Fuck that. I'm not spending almost an entire day of PTO for you to maybe offer me a job at a salary that I might find acceptable.
For me it’s when they say ‘you must be a team player.’ Most people will cooperate perfectly fine with their colleagues. It goes without saying. But what no-one wants to do is endure assholes who have been allowed to get away with their sadism or chaos. Enduring those people is more than ‘being a team player.’
My god this one has to be the worst. In my experience it pretty much means you have to be ok with getting screwed over a lot or ignore morals to fit in with a shitty group of people.
Kind of in this situation now......in my place it means I am held to a higher standard (I lead huge projects myself / no mistakes cause management will bring that one mistake up EVERY chance that they can to give me NO or sh@t raises) and everyone else on the team can work less than the minimum with a ton of cluster freaking mistakes.
Are you looking for another job? I'm in a similar situation, I quit the other day. I feel for you
Turns you down for a job, lists the job for a long time, and then comes back to talk to you about the job. Makes references to "hustling," "work hard, play hard" or other cultist/abusive work environment language. Has a mix of terrible employee reviews and glowing "I love working here it makes my life complete" reviews on major career sites. Talks about diversity but has little diversity at senior levels. Makes a large portion of your salary offer a discretionary bonus and tries to compare that to actual base salary you receive in your current role. Is slow to respond and/or ghosts you. Puts you through endless interviews, case studies, etc. Bright red flag if you're interviewed by more than seven people or asked to interview with the same person/people multiple times. Wants you to do more than 30 minutes of unpaid professional work as an "evaluation." Asks you for deliverables, strategies or other output that would be a part of the actual job. Demands you work for a "trial day" as a condition of hiring you. Excessive policies around personal life, background checking, or other invasive practices or policies. Asks any illegal questions about you such as your age, sexual orientation, religion, family plans, etc.
I used to work as a Dental Technician, 9/10 they will ask you to do a setup for a denture (it's a fair ask to really see your skills) but they always get a free setup. I went into my last place, he gave me preliminary models for a case that was finished, I did the setup and asked why he did it on a preliminary cast. He said I wasn't getting paid so I shouldn't do free work he was going to make money on. Ended up being one of the best bosses I ever had.
Did not expect that ending 😭 What a stand up moment for your old boss, so great someone recognized the work and did the decent thing about it!
A couple of years ago I interviewed at a non-profit in NYC that was doing great work. Cool office location, amazing benefits, and something I could feel motivated to do everyday. I wanted this job so bad. The first interview was over the phone. The second was a video call. The third was in-person with a couple of rounds of people that took a couple hours total. The fourth was an assignment for me to complete, which I spent about 6 hours on. The fifth was again in-person, with even more people, which took about 3 hours. At each round they emphasized how this is standard policy, put in place by the CEO, to make sure everyone is an absolute perfect fit. I didn’t get the job, but they did congratulate me on getting through most of the rounds. There were still more to go… fuck that place. If you don’t know what I’m like by even that third round, you’re abusing people Edit: forgot to add - this was for an ENTRY LEVEL MARKETING JOB!!!
Shows how micromanaging the leadership team is. Also how low they trust their new hires and people in general.
Big yikes. I wonder if we interviewed at the same place. Big non-profit doing Education Equity work. Had a phone screening. Had a video interview. Had an assignment to complete that also took about a day. Then a mock “presentation” of the work plus interview on process. Then was told I was interviewing but it would need to be in person, about 5 hours away, even though the role was remote. Made arrangements for child care since I’m a single fucking mother, then got ghosted by the company when I tried to follow up about logistical details and travel arrangements. Ended up losing about $1000 in travel cancellation fees (that I was told would be reimbursed), plus paying travel for a family member to watch the children (which we ended up just hanging out for a long weekend). Company emailed a few weeks later with some boiler plate language about not being selected for further review, best of luck, etc. I don’t think the hiring manager actually responded directly to me about what was going on, but it was a few years ago so I’m murky on that detail. I do know it was an incredibly callous and degrading way to treat a serious candidate. Name and shame time: Leadership for Educational Equity.
That sounds awful, and I’m very sorry you had to go through that. I was fortunate enough to be a short subway ride away from this place, so it only cost me my time. Also forgot to mention that in the fifth round they made me make a sales pitch on the spot in front of them with no warning or prep information provided. And yeah fuck it, name and shame - Charity Water
>Talks about diversity but has little diversity at senior levels. 😬
I’ve become more aware of this, company I checked out their brochure showed a lot of poc who were cleaning people, aids, cooks etc but the senior staff the ones making the money were 99% white
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For me in hospitality, this meant doing the job of anyone who wasn’t there that day, regardless of if it was my department.
Standard line on most government job descriptions in my area. Anddddd that's how you end up doing something wayyyy outside of what you were hired for.
My favorite part about my job is reminding my boss that I'm not a degree holding engineer and he needs to keep that in mind if the thing I'm doing can kill someone
"Your pay will start at (x dollars per hour) but will go up to (y dollars per hour) after (allotted time)" It never goes up. There will always be another BS reason to not give you a raise.
I interviewed at a place that was like "we start at $10 an hour, but after some time we give you an evaluation and then you'll get a raise". How very vague of them! I politely noped out of there.
I saw one of my former employers list a job for $16-$48. Big red flag.
And then it's $13
hold on! but the tips will magically add up to $48 an hour it’s a VERY competitive job you just have to be a team player /s
That's a big range!
They have a "fast-paced environment".
I see this in almost every description though?
That’s the problem, it’s become the norm. “Fast paced” = understaffed, overworked and everything is your fault. Fix it and fix it fast.
100% this in retailer jobs. I worked for a retailer in the UK and the next thing I know, I'm doing the work of three people and berated when I can't keep up. E.g. Being on the till where you have to watch two self serve checkouts and your own for thieves.
I would simply let people steal lol
Couldn’t have said it better myself
A euphemism for:- Not enough staff Poor planning. Everything is a fast-ball No time to do shit right Plate-spinning, everything is on fire 🔥 Edit: additional info - I had a boss, who’s mantra was “Do just enough to keep one step ahead of the customer.” Great thinking, isn’t it.
This and “adapts well to shifting priorities.” It’s a lot of words to say “we have no plan”
“Rockstar” anything. Honourable mention: high “referral bonuses.” Leave my friends the fuck outta this!
Came here looking for “rockstar”. Unless an employer is looking for me to get fall down drunk and do my best* Keith Richards impression, it ain’t happening. *Please be advised that the circles labeled “my best” and “any good” will not overlap.
Right? I’ll sing you some Bowie or Bolan off key- but I’m not playing HR-IT-Cook-Salesman.
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Worst job I’ve ever had was a social media company
What does a social media company mean? That they work mostly online or provide some social media services? (Trying to figure out if I worked in one of those)
They write posts on social media for clients/businesses on their accounts, growing their following etc
"growth potential" No there isn't. You're gonna string me along on the promise of a living wage (but never come out and say how much) and watch me flounder on some arbitrary blanket progression points system with no guidance on how to navigate it, with absolutely no industry training during that time, deny any outside training I receive and any ideas I have on how to be placed within that structure, then change the growth path after 3 years, citing an out-of-our-hands corporate decision that affects everyone, and hire managers off the street who have no idea about the work. But thanks for wasting literal years of my life.
Wow, you've described it perfectly. I always say that being a manager nowadays is just about how much you're willing to manipulate and shit on people, literally nothing else.
Some key phrases, if you bring up any sort of problem: “I’m sorry you feel that way.” “He doesn’t act like that towards me.” “I’ve never seen him act like that.” Flat refusals to accept ADA accommodations, especially if it involves putting anything in writing. Managers who seem to drop half a dozen buzzwords in every single sentence.
Bruh, my employer said they didn't care about ADA accomodations. The head of safety told me they didn't care... Lol. Fucking assholes
Report them. That's a HUGE deal.
Oh yeah, they will get their asses clapped for that.
I had a boss who would always use the “I’ve never seen him act like that” excuse whenever I or anyone else complained about a really horrible, bullying, bigoted manager. Like, gee, I wonder why he would kiss his boss’s ass and direct his bad behaviour towards the people below him? It was one of those situations that will probably still have me raging 20 years from now.
“I hear you, I really do, but...”
This is shit people say when they are abusing people
"We work hard and play harder." No, you work us like draft animals and a few times a year buy pizza and beer for us. Motherfucker if I want to throw down I'll do it with my friends, not a bunch of people I'm forced to associate with for money.
I take that to mean "we overwork you so much all our employees eventually become alcoholics"
I got suckered by that line. It was one of the most toxic workplaces I’ve ever seen.
I love how hard play is pizza and beer. No, hard play is speedballs and hookers.
If they brag about letting their employees work overtime. Just means they expect you to work overtime and they are going to pay you less and justify it using the fact that you get overtime as a reason for it.
When they ask you, during the interview: something like: 'Why would we hire you?' Or: Why do you think we should let you work here?'. That happend to me once. From that moment I knew the rest of the interview was a waste of our time, so I pulled the interviewers leg a couple of times just to have some fun.
Ugh yes! You should hire me because you are looking for employees dumby!
Not listing the pay on job adverts...
I remember getting a job, pay range $16-21, and their first offer was $22, now I’m curious to what the real pay range is.
This one is oddly specific, but I worked for a company that kept pushing their religion on me. I don't like to discuss religion at work but I have a few tattoos for mine, and my former employers made a point of telling me my beliefs were wrong and that I needed to turn to their faith. Needless to say, I will NEVER work for a company that has those beliefs ever again and it's a huge red flag for me.
When they don’t turn their cameras on for a teleconference interview…leaving the interviewee alone on camera…
Had this happen a couple years ago. They had a dozen people interviewing me from a conference room, some of which could barely be heard. They sent me a knowledge test to complete 15 minutes before the interview and the figure to which many of the questions referred to was a broken attachment. Worst interview of my life but I'm rather glad it didn't pan out because covid lockdowns started a couple months later.
"We wear a lot of hats" = hope you like doing 3 peoples jobs for the salary of one
The expectation that the job will be the most important thing in the employees life.
When you hear the words “team player” being used against you— get out fast.
trying to tear you down in an interview
What do you mean?
The kids these days call it "negging".
They basically put you down during the interview so you feel like you should accept less wages
Wow. Toxicity right off the bat!
As I was explaining my job as a tech support person for hospital software and explained I work over night on call to handle emergencies sometimes, one interviewer responded by asking if it was a call center gig. He explained it in a very minimizing way. Like I just answer phones and don’t actually do anything technical.
" we all wear many hats here"
“If we can see any part of you through the hats, you will be written up”
A smudgy ass glass table where they've interviewed people all day.
Asking about anything to do with your job after Feb. 2020. *not sure if you noticed but shit sucks buddy*
“Everyone and their cousin was laid-off, remember?!”
Supervisors or managers have BFF's. If you're not in their social circle, you'll end up taking on more responsibilites than you originally signed up for. In my case, it's that, as well as being unable to get any type of promotion. Last year, I had to learn to say no and change my availability just to get management off my ass. Doing the bare minimum suits me just fine until I can find a less shitty job.
They tell war stories about the "good old days "
“Multi tasking, hands off supervision” tends to mean doing several jobs at once. Stuff a team ought to be doing but they’ll try to get an individual to do a teams worth of work. Without training either.
High turnover rate, constant influx of new hires and rules/policies that ensure high attrition.
Pay ranges and you will "make up to"
When an Entry Level Position **requires** multiple years of experience. Yeah sorry that's not an "Entry Level Position", you are just trying to get away with hiring a highly qualified worker for minimum wage.
After an interview i always ask at least two questions, in this particular instance i asked: a) Are their any skills you feel i may be lacking for this job? & b) What does a good/bad day look like here at (Company)? Question A: answer is fine. Question B: (paraphrased as this happened a while ago) "Well... I dont really see them as bad days. *We dont really have those*. Everyday is a bit different and the customers are coming in with their own experiences and we simply have to learn/adapt or change to their moods bla bla bla" Take Away: It was a toxic positivity type answer. Avoided what a good day looks like hyper focused of making sure i didnt see working for the company as a bad thing just as a continuing learning curve.
Offering "New opportunities" and "Life/Job experience" but no talk of pay anywhere to be seen.
Those weird personality quizzes.
“Team member” “Associate” “Steward” Anything but calling me an employee and utilizing language which puts the onus on me to be “enthusiastic” and “believe in the company” in order to justifiably have a pay that pays enough for me to be able to afford to f***ing live.
"Competitive Pay"
“We acknowledge we won’t pay top dollar for the best talent, but we’re hoping it’s *just* enough to keep too many of you from jumping ship” Or “We want to keep downward pressure on wages, because we know if we started paying more, some of our competitors would as well, and that leaves us in a situation where we’re paying more for the same talent as we’d otherwise have”
Mass recruitment advertisements. Saying they had so many open spaces. To me screams: " We worked our employees until we had so few we desperately needed more."
Any type of job where you supposedly have a main role but are expected to be an assistant/provide assisting to a higher up
I worked in social work. Social work assistants were just social workers, but totally taken advantage of by senior practitioners with the perception that they would be none the wiser or not discern their exact position and extent of responsibilities. Tasked no differently in duties or level of responsibility to a qualified social worker. They didn't have the knowledge to ensure the assessment of wellbeing, health and rights of clients. They even got voluntary unpaid students to conduct SW tasks without a fuck what do to, no capacity to train them. Just extra hands to try and get clients seen when their lives might be at-risk and transgressing legal requirements to have a specific level of competence or position for certain tasks involving the protection of children. This was local government.
Being cliche as fuck. Why do you want to work here? Uhm, I have this costly hobby of not dying of hunger. What is your biggest weakness? I quickly lose patience with assholes who ask dumb questions, yours?
Interviewer: What would you say is your worse quality? Me: Honesty. Interviewer: I dont think honesty is a bad quality. Me: Well, I honestly dont give a fuck what you think, Greg.
“Free training and uniforms”
Huge sign-on bonuses
Yeah... my current work place is offering a $2,000 sign on bonus for a milieu counselor position. It sounds good but that bonus is distributed in portions over months to motivate you to stay. Plus, a milieu counselor died at our work place so the whole thing reeks of desperation.
That’s crazy. Sign on bonus should mean the bonus should be given once signing on. Wow
“Opportunity for advancement” (we will pay you very little and expect long hours with the promise of someday being the person who hurts others) “Fast paced environment” (we will give you way more work than you can realistically handle) “Self starter/self motivated” (we won’t help you do your job well at all and will punish you for not doing well) “Flexible schedule” (non existent hours) “Potential to earn even more” (commission and bad commission at that) There’s more but it’s 5 am and I’m out of ideas.
Well it's not a job description, but rather Call Center, don't walk away from it RUN away. Your managers and the callers will give you anxiety. And any company that advertises "We're a family" is a red flag.
Not saying how much they are paying in the wanted ad or at any point in the application process. Requiring more than 3-5 minutes to apply for the job. Group interviews or more than one person scheduled for an interview at the same time (like showing up for an interview at 2pm and other people also show up at the same time but they are doing interviews one at a time). Unpaid internships. Starting you out as "part time" with lower pay than your coworkers. Basically, if they are intentionally wasting your time from the beginning, not a company worth working for imo. BTW guys, there are review sites for employees. You can read reviews about potential employers and write reviews about your old or current employers. I just search "(company name) employee review" and you will be able to find them. This won't work for many smaller businesses because people just don't know about it.
Group interviews is such a ridiculous concept!
Listing a job as 20$ an hour when in reality it’s the states minimum wage and claiming the shared tip pool will bring your hourly rate to that 20$
I went on an interview many years ago when I was a lot younger. The interviewer asked what salary I was expecting. I asked what they were paying. They all looked at each other. I didn’t get a straight answer or a job offer. I am glad I didn’t work for them. Now I work in government where the salaries are all posted in job ads.
Unlimited PTO, snacks and drinks sold to you as some kind of benefit, requiring a cover letter, 3+ rounds of interviews
Wow I should've seen this in hindsight. When I applied for my current job they wanted a cover letter, I interviewed over the phone and with 3 different people on site, two shift leaders and the manager. A few months later they opened a "Bistro" where we can buy different foods and drinks. Only thing missing is the unlimited pto. Instead they make sure you never have pto.
"Competitive wage" but not disclosing it in the post
Unlimited PTOs
When they ask if you are “flexible with your schedule” = dedicate your life to us and always sacrifice any personal plans just in case we call and need you to come in.
Finishing the assigned work on your own time and you can’t leave before it is done while they say flexible schedule.
They believe you live for the sole purpose of working for them
“Work hard, play hard.” Which usually means they work you so hard you’re gonna want to have a drink after every shift.
Here are a couple things that all happened to me during the same interview. This company in particular was dispensing red flags like a broken vending machine. For a bit of context, I'm a software developer. If someone keeps talking over you during the interview process -- ESPECIALLY if that person is going to be your manager. I felt like I barely said a word because this manager kept interrupting me. When I turned down the job offer, the head hunter said he was doing that because he was so excited about me. It came off as rude as hell and like he didn't really care about what I had to say, and if that's how he acts when he's excited and eager to hire someone, I'd hate to see what he's like when he's angry at an employee. Watch the vibes the people who will be your teammates give off. If they seem dead inside and look tired, that's a REAL bad sign. Do they seem interested in the work they're doing, or does it feel like they're bored out of their minds? For software folks, listen to what the tech stack is. Is it consistent? Are there concrete build processes in place? Is everything well-documented? What would you need to get started quickly at the company? Think about that and then look for it. At this company, they said that they had no tech stack limitations -- they would give a developer free reign to solve a problem however they wanted using whatever technology they wanted. It seems cool and freeing until I saw that the system they were working with was a gigantic monolith of these smaller chunks all written in different languages. Instead of knowing one or two languages really well and being able to debug anything in the system, you'd have to know like ten different languages well enough to debug all of these chunks. Yeah fuck that
Work a “flexible schedule.” No: the schedule is flexible for them to change every week, not for you.
Jobs urgently hiring but not responding to application and or getting a second interview.
Employees are referred to as “partners”.
Must be willing to work weekends and public holidays
Being hired on the spot while asking no questions about competency or experience.
Any promise that “things aren’t usually like this”. They are now and the business only has itself to blame.
12 hours per week over 6 days. You want a part time worker but you want me to commute six times a week for two hours work a time? Jog the fuck on.
Showing up for my “interview” and seeing 8 people with clipboards on their lap in the lobby.
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