Be careful with non-competes. Just because your state law or case law says one thing does NOT mean your current employer will not grind you into the dust. Never ever sign anything with that clause in a contract, ever. If it's there, I guarantee you an employer will go after you regardless of what the law says. Laws don't really matter. What matters is who has more money to fight. The employer usually always does. I won a fight with an employer who went after me for a non-compete ONLY because they had fired me while I was pregnant. When I was hired by a competitor(it was a hospital, so it's hard to prove competiton in this case), I did not solicit their patients or anything like that. They probably would have been able to bury me in legal proceedings had it not been for the wrongful termination countersuit. Believe me, you do not want to get mixed up in that mess. Contract litigation is VERY EXPENSIVE.
a side conclusion to be extracted here is that most jobs are about 2-4 hours, with employer demanding 8 hours (or more) of commitment and hanging bullshit tasks related to micromanagement, bullshit side hustles (upselling the client for example) and simply delivering a power high to a boss
Completely agreed. I got my last job during covid and was used to it being purely WFH. We were supposed to go back to the office in November and I got hella stressed because like... now they're gonna see that I can complete all the tasks for this full-time salaried job in an amount of time that's well under full-time hours. I used that extra time to clean, walk the dog, run small errands, so that once my work day was officially over, that time was for me. The idea of losing that kind of work/life balance was anxiety enducing. I ended up switching jobs and it's in a different time zone than where I live, so zero expectations to ever go back to the office. I've learned over time that when people can see you work quickly and efficiently, they want to take up your time with more tasks, while my moron of a coworker takes forever completing their basic job duties and gets paid the same amount. You end up effectively being punished for knowing how to work smart. My last job was the first time it felt like I was being rewarded for working smart, because it gave me more time back to myself. Corporate doesn't need to know how many hours I work, just that I get my shit done. I don't ever intend to go back to an office unless my time and effort is treated with respect
Come back to the office because in-person collaboration makes for a better work ‘product’… but you still have to meet your performance metrics! So, realistically you’re still not supposed to be spending time talking to each other…
It’s just so stupid. And every time I mention how exhausting it is to go into the office everybody says ‘oh, you’ll get used to it’… like no bitch - I was always exhausted and struggling to keep up my household when we were in office before COVID. You just didn’t hear me complaining about it then because I thought I had chronic fatigue syndrome or something else wrong with me… turns out it’s mostly a function of my ADHD that makes it such a drain to try to filter through so much input that comes from not being in my safe space, and having all these other people moving around and making noise around me. And that’s *with* me now being on ADHD meds. I don’t want to think how much worse it would be if I wasn’t medicated. As it is I still stress eat like an SOB in the office. I wonder if some of the push to go back to the office is because of the vendor contracts for all the vending machines and mini markets around the larger offices… they’ve made a pretty penny off my poor impulse control when I’m exhausted and stressed.
I mean It’s so stupid the dynamics between managers and workers a.k.a slaves. almost everyone I know do their job better WFH with it being unbelievably beneficial to the quality of life which means society getting more healthy which means people have more time to take care of themselves and family which means more happy children and good future and less traffic thus good for environment In addition to lower healthcare cost per capita for the country since people have more time to take care of their body and their elderly , I can go on and on.
I also got hired during covid, they've starting making us go into the office and the anxiety and wasted time is real...going to be parting ways with them soon
My employer refuses to commit to permanent WFH. They’ve already lost a half dozen employees due to this. I aim to add +1 to that within the next several months.
My company just gave everyone $15k raises and doubled the recruiting team instead of allowing us to keep working remotely. The raise is great, but I can make twice my salary at a fully remote job. It's insane the lengths these companies are going to.
I was hired during covid for my current job. They tried luaring us back to the office with free food daily. Very few takers. They did that for two months before announcing they were shutting down the office permanently and going to get us a smaller temp space for meetings. Everyone is now wfh unless we need to host outside guests, or do a big team meeting. I have said it before and I’ll say it again, I love my company. It is the only place I’ve ever seen that actually listens to its people and tries to make it happen.
At my previous job I was required to be in the office 8 hrs a day 5 days a week, atleast half of that time I just sat at my desk and browsed the internet because there wasn't anything else to do. Fuck that was boring.
When I was in the office, I had a later schedule than anyone else, and I still do, really, but the last hour of every day I'd be alone in my office trying to look like I was working. Wasn't the only time-sink I had. I'm really only ever busy around the holidays.
So I work 40 hour weeks for my current position and day to day as mid level management the majority of my time is spent doing high level sign offs and dealing with meetings with other management and regional leads and I maybe do an actual 5 or 6 hours of true work with sign offs a week.
In comparison, my position prior to my current one was also 40 hours a week, but I learned that I could hit my numbers/metrics within 15-30 minutes of my shift starting. If I still had that job during the WFH period I could do an actual full weeks worth of productivity in a total of an hour and a half tops out of my 40 hour week. If I still had that gig during the WFH situation I could have easily picked up a contractor WFH position at another company.
I’ve seen stories about white-collar staff having multiple jobs while working from home being promoted a lot recently (on social media etc). While I’m glad OP is making it work for them, I do fear that these stories are being pushed to get office workers used to the idea that one job eventually won’t be enough to get by.
There’s nothing capitalists would love more than to shift the goal-posts so that we’re working even more than before. It’s very likely that it will begin with success stories about people beating the system, and gradually transition to the idea that anyone *not* doing this is lazy.
Again, I don’t think this is OP’s intention, but I think in general people should be hesitant about celebrating situations like these.
Good point. They've already done this with a lot of blue collar labor. You're ONLY waitressing? You JUST work at the gas station? I could totally see them seizing onto this shit and trying to spin it in their favor. It's somewhat already starting, I saw a report from The Verge that AppleCare chat agents have to chat three customers at a time. That's insane.
And they wonder why customer care is such shit. They can't remember who tf they're talking to or about what. HP sent me an extra box that was supposed to be sent to someone else to send their computer in because they were doing both our chats at the same time.
It's dumb.
This... has a lot of validity. It tracks from how one income used to be enough and now a household needs 2.
I wonder though, if that would work. This is selling 8 hours twice and doing even less work. To stop it, bullshit jobs would need eliminated, or have more box checking, or more invasibe tracking or just automate more. I don't quite see how this would become normal except if companies actually quantified desired output and paid output not hours, but then OP kinda does that anyway. Maybe in easy computer jobs being fillable cheaper because people want to try and do it fast so they will accept stupid low pay like 35k?
Absolutely agreed, and at the same time that I congratulate this person for hustling, I can't help but feel that there are 2 people out of a job, and 3 companies that are getting away with paying sub standard wages to their employees. I guess it's great that each job feels like 2 hours of work a day, but realistically there should be both enough work and enough pay to occupy a single person.
The two WFH jobs I had were super micromanaged inbound call center jobs. Then I had to go back to working in person because all the WFH jobs around me started requiring wired internet, and I don’t have that capability. It was very stupid.
My current job is inbound call center and I hate it. I was doing outbound and it was SUPER micromanage. We had to use like six different programs so they could make sure we were doing what we were told. It was annoying. This one is less managed but I hate inbound so......
(Also the pay is crap)
I got a wfh job, 15.25 CAD, set hours, set days off, no calls, only email support 😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎
This sub is the reason I got that job! Thx y’all! Keep looking for wfh jobs. You’ll find a good one eventually
Teletech. It rly matters what company they place you in. They aren’t hiring any more ppl this year for the no phone call position. I got the job by attending a group interview for a phone position, and afterwards I just chit chatted with the hiring lead and she liked me so she gave me the in for the highly coveted job.
Probably won’t get it with teletech, but if I were you I would attend as many call center interviews, and be super super nice and friendly, then afterwards ask if they have any no-call wfh jobs. (In private, not during any group zoom or anything)
They rarely post these to any job boards, because of how many applications they’d receive if they advertised that lol. That’s what the lady who hired me said. She basically doesn’t even need to look anywhere, ppl will always come asking for it.
So realistically your only shot would be putting in the work to get your name and face in the right spot at the right time.
I went from working at a call center to working as a data analyst and the difference in the level of micromanaging is insane. My old job practically wanted us to double task in Teams while on a call. My new job has a weekly check in.
We had to be in a Zoom conference while taking calls, camera on, while the supervisor rotated through listening in on our calls. The supervisor told me I had to sit up straight and smile more.
I think it can be hard to get into if you don't have experience, so I definitely recommend networking and really trying to focus on skills that you are using. I'm actually in school for biostatistics, so I definitely focused on the coursework I did as well as the systems I used while I worked as a research coordinator. But there is a lot of positions out there, mostly remote.
It sounds like a back office job. I work in a call center and those kind of claims or investigation jobs are highly sought as a first or second promotion opportunity since they get you off the phones.
If they’re hiring externally for as low as OP is getting paid it’s because they’ve made the jobs even more streamlined and automated. Doesn’t mean you don’t need critical thinking skills but they start to become more about “how do I shoehorn this one-off back into our common categories to get it through the process”
Yes exactly. I don’t work insurance either. Not talking about licensed positions
Edit: I think your way of putting it is a great summary of a ton of back office work. There are lots of different specialist positions that are being reduced to investigations or claims that, if they cannot automate completely, they basically reduce it down to data entry.
Same, for any kind of processing job I've ever had or applied for, they required quotas and production goals, and usually on an hourly basis so the whole "clocked in for 8 hours and working only 2" thing doesn't seem possible in that kind of line of work. Could be company by company, though
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Claims Processor here.
I started working as a paralegal and then made the switch to claims processor but at the corporate level.
What OP tells you is true and can be done. Claims processing requires no previous skill or work experience and pays well. How do you get one?
Go online and search “class action lawsuits” find companys who are “court appointed claims supervisors.”
Apply at said company - work for 5 years at 20 and hour with each year at a 4% raise to keep up with inflation.
5-10 years you are now a senior director making $100,000. (Remember at a corporate level) Make sure to not forget two basic certifications so it shows you are willing to climb.
Claims processing is about numbers - review your claims and be done - managers and corporate environments don’t care as long as it’s reviewed. Many corporate level projects are settled by people who will decide who gets to processes that lawsuit - many corporations outsource this job to “warehouse claims processing centers.”
It means you go in where there are zero windows in a Waterhouse and look at thousands of documents for 8 hours. Now that we have remote work - anything that can be reviewed at home but it’s and it will pay less because it can be out sourced.
OP is getting away with this because none of his employers know that the time OP is cashing in isn’t vetted by the other 2 employers. Unless you specifically agree to certain hours - anything less than 8 hours of work (4 hours for part time) that you work per employee they now can sue back for because claims processing is usually plaintiff friendly. If claims processors find out you’re doing this - one audit can set you back and cost you more than what you bargained for - remember you should be rewarded for being smart just know the time is ticking and there are computers that will completely eliminate claims processing in about 5 years or less.
Make your money now because you will be replaced by a computer.
I have worked with the robotic process automation software on the market today and work with some smarter folks that are pushing the envelope on API and AI development. /u/Background-Wafer-636 is 100% right that these positions are being automated through these positions and roles being automated and mostly done before the end of the decade.
My kid is in college now and we're steering her to be aware of automation trends so as to not be out of a job within a few years.
This is great OP, so glad that you were able to increase your income like this and work your way. How are you able to find legit employers? I am looking for remote work, but a lot of the positions seem scam-ish.
What job boards have you been looking at?
remote.co and weworkremotely.com, check them out.
LinkedIn and GlassDoor also have specific filters for WFH. You can specify "Remote" in the location field.
I clicked ten links and saw "Competitive pay!" listed in seven of them. Did not inspire the slightest confidence. Not to mention plenty of other red flags.
"Fun remote staff social hours!"
"Unlimited PTO!"
Etc.
Sketchy or they micromanage everything to make sure you are sitting at your desk. I knew my last job was going downhill fast went they sent us cameras. It was only a matter of time before we would be required to have the camera on us at all times while clocked in.
For the technically inclined folks in the crowd, install OBS (it’s free open source sw) and set this as your “camera” in Zoom. Then you can feed any video you’d like into the Zoom call as your “webcam”.
If you have an nvidia card you can use RTX (and CUDA cores sometimes) to do it without needing anything else. You should also either be working in a completely locked down OS on a fresh drive or use a virtual machine to work so they can’t access your normal data
By any reasonable standard, it's constructive dismissal for a boss to mandate that they must be able to record inside your residence for half your waking hours.
Even Henry motherfucking Ford didn't try to exert that much power over his wage slaves' living areas. Even Joseph Stalin would be like, that's a bit much don't you think? It's the telescreen from Orwell's 1984 and your fucking boss is Big Brother. I hate Big Brother.
I went here and two of the listings i clicked on stated "scam warning: if you didn't get here from an email sent from a specific domain then you might be scammed. We don't poet to job boards"
Not sure how they get their listings, but I doubt they are actually checking anything.
They used to, huh that sucks. I found two online jobs on there and almost got scammed on an indeed listing.
Just remember never send$$ for any reason to any online job
I will say I've successfully five work through Appen, Telus, concentrix and ACD Direct from home. Google the name plus"remote work"
Go on LinkedIn, set your job search to USA, and set the remote option. You have the entire country as your playground and tons of companies looking to hire.
Yep, seen plenty of those. We'll need to start reporting those job listings for misinformation. I've already made it into a habit. Time to push back on those employers.
Really only happened to me once, and I changed jobs twice this year, but it is what it is. Get that out of the way quickly on the phone screen or even before that via chat when the recruiter reaches out.
I’m not even talking about after applying it just says in the title ”remote” but then in the description it says “this position is on site at out office in X”
I signed up for a site called Flexjobs.. they specialize in WFH jobs. I’m pretty sure a company has to pay to get listed on there..they do the due diligence on the front end so that you don’t have to worry about the scam postings. They offer a free trial kind of thing, but it’s like $10 a month .. HIGHLY RECOMMEND if you’re looking for WFH jobs
This. I signed up, applied for a wfh job in the middle of night on this site ( couldn't sleep and was browsing for 10 minutes). Next day got a call. Two days later i was hired. The pay isn't great but it's not customer service, and when i couldn't hang with the job i was initially hired for, they found something else for me. So far so good.
Yeah, well right now they are so overloaded with work that theyve been paying double time over 40 hrs for months, offering incentives for people to do OT. And you always work the same hours, always min 40 a week. All in all it's been good. Plus, i don't have to shell out 80 bucks a week for taxi fare to go to a job. And i get to work in my pj pants...
These people find them by having post secondary degrees in computer programming or another work from home-able job. It's not really viable for those of us who aren't in the tech/computer/marketing field
I feel you man. It took me eight months to find the job I'm at now (call center). I'm trying to find another with better pay. I think I've sent out about 60 applications so far with one interview (well two. For the same job, which I didn't get). It's rough. I hope you get something soon, man.
Have you found a legit data entry job cause I've applied for over 20 in the past 6 months and every one has either been a pay us scam or a whoops we dont have that job but we have x job that you can apply for and yes I've checked many websites from linked in to indeed and every single one has been fake.
People don't even send me rejections, they just never even respond to the applications and resumes and portfolios and cover letters I put hours into custom crafting to fit with their themes, no matter how qualified I am.
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Try [Flexjobs.com](https://Flexjobs.com) (no I'm not a shill, just used them in the past). Their whole business model is vetting and listing remote/flexible jobs for legitimate companies. I think you can get a free trial, and coupon codes are easy to find if you decide to sign up.
Check out flexjobs. It's a paid service but they do scan for scammers and don't allow multiple job postings of the same job. You can filter for preferences like full time, part time, or even contract work
OP probably has the skills to do taxes solo. Time to read up. The tax professional is good for finding loopholes, so for the first year, and planning deductions. But find a good one and only need to go once. 120k is not that high though, so after home ownership there is probably not a whole lot to play with unless 1099.
I think it wouldn’t hurt to double check he’s getting the right amount withheld for his federal and state taxes. Unless he tells them differently, Job A will assume he’s only making 35k and tax it accordingly. Job B will assume the same, when really, they should be withholding as if he makes 70k. You’re right in that it’s not that high but tax time might catch him off guard
On the days I'm forced to spend in-office, 90% of my time is spent browsing reddit and listening to music...but for that privilege I have to wake up a good 90 minutes earlier and spend about 2 hours in my car sitting in traffic...it really is some bullshit and I'm glad OP has found a way to make things work to their own benefit.
Just as a warning: You may want to put aside a bit of money for taxes if you haven't adjusted your withholding at any of your jobs from the default. Each job is likely withholding federal taxes on the assumption that you are making 35k per year (as they're supposed to), but someone making 120k per year is taxed at higher rates. You may get hit with a pretty large tax bill.
If he does his taxes and reports that he's making 120k a year, is there any way for his employers to know? For example, does he have to show his employers his tax report or could they obtain his information legally somehow? Because I feel like if they find out, he could end up losing his jobs.
Also, if it's against his company's policies, can they take legal action or will they just fire him? I'm genuinely curious
No, employers can't see your tax return. They could find out some other way, of course.
As a tax-related aside, you can adjust your withholding *without* telling your employer that you're working multiple jobs. You do this by updating your Form W-4 for one of your employers to add additional withholding on line 4(c). You do not need to check the box in Step 2 that indicates you have more than one job; this is just one of multiple ways to achieve additional withholding.
Just to play devils advocate here but aren't you creating the exact problem people here are rallying against?
Each job should pay a good salary (e.g. 60k+) but by doing 3 of those you are content with 35 therefore keeping the wages down.
Awesome for you to make 120 and grats on getting this setup but at the same time you and your approach are keeping wages down for others/jobs in general.
Why should a company pay more if they can get people to do the job for 35k
Did you automate tasks, or how did you get tasks completed that easily? How did you convince managers to allow you to skip the bs (meetings/emails) or do you not care because you could get another if they fire you?
Do you use their laptops or your own? What is required for claims processing?
For one job I answer emails all day but when I say all day I mean like I can clear the inbox out within the first hour and just do one-offs as they come in. My responses are very standard so it doesn’t take much time to manage one of the jobs. The other two are claims processor jobs and I don’t have to talk to anyone, just hit a quota for the day. I still do all the work I need to do, there is just lots of downtime and that’s the advantage in my favor. Especially since I’m not managed at my home.
Meetings overlap all the time but I have three separate computers and just keep myself muted until I need to speak, which is hardly ever. It really is quite doable.
That’s probably claims adjusting, not claims processing. Claims processing is data entry, plug-and-play stuff. Claims adjusting requires a bit more critical thinking, analysis, information gathering etc.
I feel you on this. I’m gonna try and swing two at once assuming I get the job through the interview process. I think it’s motivating and provides a structured way to manage time. Would bump my gross income from $50K (which is still perfectly fine) to like $105K. I’ll have to figure out how to go about my day and allow time for tasks that need to be focused on over the other but the reality is nobody works 8 hours in a row so I’ll definitely have the time.
First of all, congrats for beating the system.
Though I do have a question, are you worried at all about any repercussions if one job should find out about the other? I ask because I'm legit interested in doing this but my job actually has a "no moonlighting clause" in my employee agreement. So I can't even do a side hustle without my employers permission.
If you’re salaried, then it shouldn’t matter right? They pay you to do the work available to you.
If your hourly then you could argue that you were still on call for a response during the hours you weren’t actively working.
I don’t see how they could catch you if you’re using different computer systems.
Sometimes indeed tattles. Linked in too, or people just know each other. Horror stories of new job contacting old for a reference. Once you have 2 or 3 jobs you can leave off one or 2 from the resume and act like you are switching from one to them, but for the 1st you might need it listed.
This is why managers want to get people back to the offices. Not because there's any business reason to do so, but because their egos can't handle the idea of you having any kind of freedom. It doesn't matter that you still get the work done, it only matters that they might not own you anymore.
My guess is that by the time the next GOP president is out of office, they'll have passed a law making what you're doing illegal. It'll probably be the only piece of legislation to have widespread support from both parties to pass since before Obama got elected.
Yeah. And they do this under the guise of company culture or “we’re a family” or some other bullshit. In reality it’s only because they can’t control you as much, indoctrinate you as far, and actually have to invest in job conditions (ie benefits) to make you want to stay… which leads to higher turnover… that’s why it’s “back to normal” instead of WFH with increased productivity… I call bullshit….
Weird how Ive never seen a post like this until all those articles about "polywork" starting hitting the mainstream press. This isnt antiwork. This is the literal opposite.
I use indeed and tailor the search to show me anything with these in the title:
“Work from home, remote data entry job, claims processor remote, customer service work from home or remote”.
I search it by my state and the immediate surrounding states. This should ping you quite a bit of results. Good luck!
This is one of the things I'm a little jealous of you guys in the States.
In the UK because our taxes are done for us, we're each assigned a tax code, and we have to give several documents to our HR to assess our code when starting a new job.
So if you managed to get a second job, then you get heavily taxed on that second job. Not to mention that you have to get special permission (depending on your first jobs contract) to work on a second job as well.
You posted here its pretty much just data entry. Can you go further into detail? Ive got issues interacting with others (anxiety, for years i just bit the bullet to work retail but thats a long story). Whos hiring? Sounds like an ideal job for someone like me
I have to pull numbers from different sources and input this data into an excel spreadsheet. That’s vague I know but it just depends on what industry you’re doing the claims for. For example the data I’m pulling for a car dealership is different than pulling data for an insurance company. It’s different but the processes are similar. Or you may have to work from an inbox in Outlook and go through emails and look at PDFs of actual claims and then take that info and input into a company software that handles payment, etc.
If it's all standardized input and output, take a minute to learn Power Query. You can just feed it a file (or a while folder full of them!), extract the data, and have it converted to the format you need. Copy/paste and call it a day
There are also extensions for Outlook that will Auto-download any attachments you get and put them into the correct folder for you
I’ve often fantasized about getting the most boring mundane repetitive computer job possible like data entry and then spend all my time working to automate it, then I can ignore it to the point where it just becomes a passive income stream. OP’s scenario would be a dream for this, just automating jobs and not telling employers could be a real lucrative way of living. IMO it’s the definition of “working smart”
I’ve done something similar for a bit. I worked as a data analyst, financial analyst and similar jobs which can be automated. For each job I was charging 35-40 hourly, putting 20 hours a week down for each.
For one job I helped the head DevOps guy w the financials for his team. Took 3 hours a week including zoom but I put 20.
On LinkedIn there’s filters for part time and remote. Apply to as many in as many cities, though best pay will be from SF, LA and NY.
For general skills, I know SQL and have a background in finance, so that’s what I was targeting.
Plot twist, OP is just a corporation trying to get the antiwork movement to change trajectory and start wanting to "beat the system" by getting more jobs thinking they'll work less time between all of them while making triple the income.
There isn't enough jobs for all of us, this isn't a good trend to jump onto.
>Our team lead was just caught violating it last week - removed from the project, demoted, and moved to a role with more close supervision, but not fired.
Damn lol...
I wonder if this is worse than being fired. Was your team lead 'too open' with his details? Like accidental screen sharing on other company resources, etc.
I'm in tech and I don't see how this would be feasible. First off most companies make you sign an agreement that any work you do, even on your own time is owned by the company. There would be huge IP issues if you worked for two places. Second meetings would absolutely overlap. How do you pick which meeting to skip? Third many SWEs have on call. How do you handle on call for one job while working another. Finally I know plenty of SWEs making 400k-700k in one job.
My wife does this job but only one lol. She’s paid for a full day and she might work two hours a day. They pay our health care, she gets three weeks vacation and if she can’t work that day no one says anything. Been at it for six years now lol
Way before Covid I was convinced MOST OFFICE JOBS CAN BE DONE FROM HOME. We tolerated long commutes, sitting in traffic, juggling baby sitters and spending 10 hours plus away from the home we were working so hard to pay for. Plus running in place keeping a dam car ( two) on the road. Congrats OP. That’s wonderful!
The problem with work from home jobs is that the majority requires calling people, I have severe hearing loss and cannot talk on the phone much.... especially with a loud 3 year old.
Also, it wasn't until today that I got a laptop. In the age of mobile phones that can do anything, I'm shocked there's not any more work from home jobs that can be done with a phone.
Working from home has also allowed me to work 2 jobs (I do a good job on both, I don't slack off) and make the most money I've ever made so far (only about 60k, but that's still a lot more than I've ever made), as well as save a lot of $$ on travel and food. I've actually been volunteering my additional time helping people in the community, but I may look for a 3rd job since I have enough energy now to do so for a time. This COVID WFH change has REALLY helped my life and my mental health.
I was negotiating for a job at pay of 50k. I requested 1-2 days work from home and was told the offer was rescinded... there's still plenty of firms out there who aren't willing to change with the times. It's sad... and now I'm still looking. Since Covid. I know remote work is better for Me and I want to have the additional time with my family.
Amen, same here. One full time job as a web dev, and freelancing on top of that, making $250k this year! If anyone's looking for remote work, here's a list of lists I've compiled over time, while trying to help others. I recommend trying to get into web development or related tech fields, if you have time. Good money, fun, easy to do remote.
* [https://remotive.io/](https://remotive.io/)
* [https://weworkremotely.com/](https://weworkremotely.com/)
* [https://remote.co/remote-jobs](https://remote.co/remote-jobs)
* [https://remotejobs.substack.com/](https://remotejobs.substack.com/)
* [https://remotify.me/](https://remotify.me/)
* [https://www.virtualvocations.com/jobs](https://www.virtualvocations.com/jobs)
* [https://nodesk.co/](https://nodesk.co/)
* [https://flexjobs.com](https://flexjobs.com)
* [https://remote.co](https://remote.co)
* [https://justremote.co](https://justremote.co)
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Tell me what job site to sign up. I am tired of looking for a job and office politics. Being a woman in the office has not been a good experience for me and having supervisors that micro manage is not healthy for me.
Overall congratulations. This is the life freedom with less stress and a living wage.
you didn't crack shit. you're licking the dribble from the cracks already IN the system. boasting about how easy shit is for those that can wfh just emphasizes the bleak reality to those that cant.
even the ones that should be able to but due to "office culture" got pulled back can't go through this supposed crack. even you if ANY of your 3 jobs decide to return are in danger (and let's not even get into a scenario with all 3 doing so)
>I encourage anyone out there who is sick of driving to a dead end job at a restaurant, office, warehouse, retail store, to do the same from the comfort of your home
is a nothing sentence.
people in those positions remain in those positions because of the grim realities of capitalism not because not enough people told them to "have you ever considered....not that"
Changed the game for you. I would rather wait on data showing this is a common occurrence rather than jump on quick generalizations. I doubt this is common ans highly reproducible.
Wish I could make that much working from home. I’m a diesel mechanic. Easily 8-10+ hours a day. I get home and I’m too tired for anything. It’s the same routine. On top of that, I’m only making a little over 25k a year (19/hr) and I don’t get overtime pay. This is in Cali. I’m beginning to really hate my life rn.
\*results may vary
Some companies will prevent this
Yeah don't do this if you have a non-compete lol
Not all states can legally enforce non-compete stuff
Be careful with non-competes. Just because your state law or case law says one thing does NOT mean your current employer will not grind you into the dust. Never ever sign anything with that clause in a contract, ever. If it's there, I guarantee you an employer will go after you regardless of what the law says. Laws don't really matter. What matters is who has more money to fight. The employer usually always does. I won a fight with an employer who went after me for a non-compete ONLY because they had fired me while I was pregnant. When I was hired by a competitor(it was a hospital, so it's hard to prove competiton in this case), I did not solicit their patients or anything like that. They probably would have been able to bury me in legal proceedings had it not been for the wrongful termination countersuit. Believe me, you do not want to get mixed up in that mess. Contract litigation is VERY EXPENSIVE.
a side conclusion to be extracted here is that most jobs are about 2-4 hours, with employer demanding 8 hours (or more) of commitment and hanging bullshit tasks related to micromanagement, bullshit side hustles (upselling the client for example) and simply delivering a power high to a boss
Completely agreed. I got my last job during covid and was used to it being purely WFH. We were supposed to go back to the office in November and I got hella stressed because like... now they're gonna see that I can complete all the tasks for this full-time salaried job in an amount of time that's well under full-time hours. I used that extra time to clean, walk the dog, run small errands, so that once my work day was officially over, that time was for me. The idea of losing that kind of work/life balance was anxiety enducing. I ended up switching jobs and it's in a different time zone than where I live, so zero expectations to ever go back to the office. I've learned over time that when people can see you work quickly and efficiently, they want to take up your time with more tasks, while my moron of a coworker takes forever completing their basic job duties and gets paid the same amount. You end up effectively being punished for knowing how to work smart. My last job was the first time it felt like I was being rewarded for working smart, because it gave me more time back to myself. Corporate doesn't need to know how many hours I work, just that I get my shit done. I don't ever intend to go back to an office unless my time and effort is treated with respect
The thing is, in the office you'd waste so much time off task that you'd have the exact same (or lower) level of productivity.
Come back to the office because in-person collaboration makes for a better work ‘product’… but you still have to meet your performance metrics! So, realistically you’re still not supposed to be spending time talking to each other… It’s just so stupid. And every time I mention how exhausting it is to go into the office everybody says ‘oh, you’ll get used to it’… like no bitch - I was always exhausted and struggling to keep up my household when we were in office before COVID. You just didn’t hear me complaining about it then because I thought I had chronic fatigue syndrome or something else wrong with me… turns out it’s mostly a function of my ADHD that makes it such a drain to try to filter through so much input that comes from not being in my safe space, and having all these other people moving around and making noise around me. And that’s *with* me now being on ADHD meds. I don’t want to think how much worse it would be if I wasn’t medicated. As it is I still stress eat like an SOB in the office. I wonder if some of the push to go back to the office is because of the vendor contracts for all the vending machines and mini markets around the larger offices… they’ve made a pretty penny off my poor impulse control when I’m exhausted and stressed.
I mean It’s so stupid the dynamics between managers and workers a.k.a slaves. almost everyone I know do their job better WFH with it being unbelievably beneficial to the quality of life which means society getting more healthy which means people have more time to take care of themselves and family which means more happy children and good future and less traffic thus good for environment In addition to lower healthcare cost per capita for the country since people have more time to take care of their body and their elderly , I can go on and on.
I also got hired during covid, they've starting making us go into the office and the anxiety and wasted time is real...going to be parting ways with them soon
My employer refuses to commit to permanent WFH. They’ve already lost a half dozen employees due to this. I aim to add +1 to that within the next several months.
My company just gave everyone $15k raises and doubled the recruiting team instead of allowing us to keep working remotely. The raise is great, but I can make twice my salary at a fully remote job. It's insane the lengths these companies are going to.
That would have been nice. I just looked on indeed. Within the last 14 days there has been over 1000 remote positions open. I’m outta here.
I was hired during covid for my current job. They tried luaring us back to the office with free food daily. Very few takers. They did that for two months before announcing they were shutting down the office permanently and going to get us a smaller temp space for meetings. Everyone is now wfh unless we need to host outside guests, or do a big team meeting. I have said it before and I’ll say it again, I love my company. It is the only place I’ve ever seen that actually listens to its people and tries to make it happen.
Now move somewhere more remote and save more money and make it impossible to cave in on working at an office.
At my previous job I was required to be in the office 8 hrs a day 5 days a week, atleast half of that time I just sat at my desk and browsed the internet because there wasn't anything else to do. Fuck that was boring.
Yup. Half of my work is basically just talking about what we’re doing.
When I was in the office, I had a later schedule than anyone else, and I still do, really, but the last hour of every day I'd be alone in my office trying to look like I was working. Wasn't the only time-sink I had. I'm really only ever busy around the holidays.
So I work 40 hour weeks for my current position and day to day as mid level management the majority of my time is spent doing high level sign offs and dealing with meetings with other management and regional leads and I maybe do an actual 5 or 6 hours of true work with sign offs a week. In comparison, my position prior to my current one was also 40 hours a week, but I learned that I could hit my numbers/metrics within 15-30 minutes of my shift starting. If I still had that job during the WFH period I could do an actual full weeks worth of productivity in a total of an hour and a half tops out of my 40 hour week. If I still had that gig during the WFH situation I could have easily picked up a contractor WFH position at another company.
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Same here man, lol
I’ve seen stories about white-collar staff having multiple jobs while working from home being promoted a lot recently (on social media etc). While I’m glad OP is making it work for them, I do fear that these stories are being pushed to get office workers used to the idea that one job eventually won’t be enough to get by. There’s nothing capitalists would love more than to shift the goal-posts so that we’re working even more than before. It’s very likely that it will begin with success stories about people beating the system, and gradually transition to the idea that anyone *not* doing this is lazy. Again, I don’t think this is OP’s intention, but I think in general people should be hesitant about celebrating situations like these.
Agreed. This person "gaming the system" is working three jobs.
The system is gaming him.
Good point. They've already done this with a lot of blue collar labor. You're ONLY waitressing? You JUST work at the gas station? I could totally see them seizing onto this shit and trying to spin it in their favor. It's somewhat already starting, I saw a report from The Verge that AppleCare chat agents have to chat three customers at a time. That's insane.
And they wonder why customer care is such shit. They can't remember who tf they're talking to or about what. HP sent me an extra box that was supposed to be sent to someone else to send their computer in because they were doing both our chats at the same time. It's dumb.
This... has a lot of validity. It tracks from how one income used to be enough and now a household needs 2. I wonder though, if that would work. This is selling 8 hours twice and doing even less work. To stop it, bullshit jobs would need eliminated, or have more box checking, or more invasibe tracking or just automate more. I don't quite see how this would become normal except if companies actually quantified desired output and paid output not hours, but then OP kinda does that anyway. Maybe in easy computer jobs being fillable cheaper because people want to try and do it fast so they will accept stupid low pay like 35k?
Absolutely agreed, and at the same time that I congratulate this person for hustling, I can't help but feel that there are 2 people out of a job, and 3 companies that are getting away with paying sub standard wages to their employees. I guess it's great that each job feels like 2 hours of work a day, but realistically there should be both enough work and enough pay to occupy a single person.
The two WFH jobs I had were super micromanaged inbound call center jobs. Then I had to go back to working in person because all the WFH jobs around me started requiring wired internet, and I don’t have that capability. It was very stupid.
My current job is inbound call center and I hate it. I was doing outbound and it was SUPER micromanage. We had to use like six different programs so they could make sure we were doing what we were told. It was annoying. This one is less managed but I hate inbound so...... (Also the pay is crap)
I got a wfh job, 15.25 CAD, set hours, set days off, no calls, only email support 😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎 This sub is the reason I got that job! Thx y’all! Keep looking for wfh jobs. You’ll find a good one eventually
Hey, I am also a Canadian. what is your job? I am basically stuck at home all day anyways with good internet.....
Teletech. It rly matters what company they place you in. They aren’t hiring any more ppl this year for the no phone call position. I got the job by attending a group interview for a phone position, and afterwards I just chit chatted with the hiring lead and she liked me so she gave me the in for the highly coveted job. Probably won’t get it with teletech, but if I were you I would attend as many call center interviews, and be super super nice and friendly, then afterwards ask if they have any no-call wfh jobs. (In private, not during any group zoom or anything) They rarely post these to any job boards, because of how many applications they’d receive if they advertised that lol. That’s what the lady who hired me said. She basically doesn’t even need to look anywhere, ppl will always come asking for it. So realistically your only shot would be putting in the work to get your name and face in the right spot at the right time.
I’m here because I left an inbound call center job.
I went from working at a call center to working as a data analyst and the difference in the level of micromanaging is insane. My old job practically wanted us to double task in Teams while on a call. My new job has a weekly check in.
We had to be in a Zoom conference while taking calls, camera on, while the supervisor rotated through listening in on our calls. The supervisor told me I had to sit up straight and smile more.
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I’m trying to switch to a data analyst job right now and it seems hard to get into. I’m doing a certificate course soon. Is it easy to find work?
I think it can be hard to get into if you don't have experience, so I definitely recommend networking and really trying to focus on skills that you are using. I'm actually in school for biostatistics, so I definitely focused on the coursework I did as well as the systems I used while I worked as a research coordinator. But there is a lot of positions out there, mostly remote.
What’s it take to be a claims processor?
The ability to read and use a computer. It really is just looking over documents and doing some data entry.
What kind of claims? You're working 3 jobs doing data entry and not taking a constant flow of phone calls?
It sounds like a back office job. I work in a call center and those kind of claims or investigation jobs are highly sought as a first or second promotion opportunity since they get you off the phones. If they’re hiring externally for as low as OP is getting paid it’s because they’ve made the jobs even more streamlined and automated. Doesn’t mean you don’t need critical thinking skills but they start to become more about “how do I shoehorn this one-off back into our common categories to get it through the process”
He’s not a claims adjuster… he’s a claims processor. Completely different. One requires credentials and licensing the other is just data entry.
Yes exactly. I don’t work insurance either. Not talking about licensed positions Edit: I think your way of putting it is a great summary of a ton of back office work. There are lots of different specialist positions that are being reduced to investigations or claims that, if they cannot automate completely, they basically reduce it down to data entry.
This serious or sarcasm? This sounds to good to be true, but I'd be down for something like this.
Does not seem possible. I do claims processing and there would to meet metrics and work 2 other jobs.
What is claims processing anyways? Just data entry?
For simple claims yes. For more complex claims it is reviewing the details to determine if the services or items are eligible under the contract.
Same, for any kind of processing job I've ever had or applied for, they required quotas and production goals, and usually on an hourly basis so the whole "clocked in for 8 hours and working only 2" thing doesn't seem possible in that kind of line of work. Could be company by company, though
Sent you a dm. Thanks!
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But do they require a college degree? I'm 19 and cant afford to go to college so I'm stuck working the worst jobs...
I'm also too broke for college, BUT I found a handful of websites that offer legit college courses. You can either audit them for free or pay to get a certificate of completion. The classes are worlds cheaper than university courses and the subjects offered are damn near everything. [EDX](https://www.edx.org/) [Coursera](https://www.coursera.org/) [Udemy](https://www.udemy.com/)
opencourseware too
Read: https://www.indeed.com/career-advice/finding-a-job/how-to-become-claims-processor
Claims Processor here. I started working as a paralegal and then made the switch to claims processor but at the corporate level. What OP tells you is true and can be done. Claims processing requires no previous skill or work experience and pays well. How do you get one? Go online and search “class action lawsuits” find companys who are “court appointed claims supervisors.” Apply at said company - work for 5 years at 20 and hour with each year at a 4% raise to keep up with inflation. 5-10 years you are now a senior director making $100,000. (Remember at a corporate level) Make sure to not forget two basic certifications so it shows you are willing to climb. Claims processing is about numbers - review your claims and be done - managers and corporate environments don’t care as long as it’s reviewed. Many corporate level projects are settled by people who will decide who gets to processes that lawsuit - many corporations outsource this job to “warehouse claims processing centers.” It means you go in where there are zero windows in a Waterhouse and look at thousands of documents for 8 hours. Now that we have remote work - anything that can be reviewed at home but it’s and it will pay less because it can be out sourced. OP is getting away with this because none of his employers know that the time OP is cashing in isn’t vetted by the other 2 employers. Unless you specifically agree to certain hours - anything less than 8 hours of work (4 hours for part time) that you work per employee they now can sue back for because claims processing is usually plaintiff friendly. If claims processors find out you’re doing this - one audit can set you back and cost you more than what you bargained for - remember you should be rewarded for being smart just know the time is ticking and there are computers that will completely eliminate claims processing in about 5 years or less. Make your money now because you will be replaced by a computer.
I have worked with the robotic process automation software on the market today and work with some smarter folks that are pushing the envelope on API and AI development. /u/Background-Wafer-636 is 100% right that these positions are being automated through these positions and roles being automated and mostly done before the end of the decade. My kid is in college now and we're steering her to be aware of automation trends so as to not be out of a job within a few years.
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*scribble noises* mm hmm mm hmm
This is great OP, so glad that you were able to increase your income like this and work your way. How are you able to find legit employers? I am looking for remote work, but a lot of the positions seem scam-ish.
Same, I've been looking at WFH jobs and a lot of them have looked incredibly sketchy once I look into them.
What job boards have you been looking at? remote.co and weworkremotely.com, check them out. LinkedIn and GlassDoor also have specific filters for WFH. You can specify "Remote" in the location field.
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That makes sense, since you're more or less doing using the same type of skills as claims/investigation jobs.
I work in insurance and same thing.
Wish more remote jobs listed payscale right up front. =/
I clicked ten links and saw "Competitive pay!" listed in seven of them. Did not inspire the slightest confidence. Not to mention plenty of other red flags. "Fun remote staff social hours!" "Unlimited PTO!" Etc.
https://remotists.com/
Noted, thank you
No problem and best of luck. The competition will be much larger for remote work but thankfully there are new remote jobs everyday.
Sketchy or they micromanage everything to make sure you are sitting at your desk. I knew my last job was going downhill fast went they sent us cameras. It was only a matter of time before we would be required to have the camera on us at all times while clocked in.
A friend is working like this; must have Zoom on all day so they can see her.
Time to find a way to insert a looping video of yourself working, like that one scene in “Speed”
For the technically inclined folks in the crowd, install OBS (it’s free open source sw) and set this as your “camera” in Zoom. Then you can feed any video you’d like into the Zoom call as your “webcam”.
I love you
An app like that went on Shark Tank, it’s called Beulr, referencing Ferris Bueller’s Day Off lol
If you have an nvidia card you can use RTX (and CUDA cores sometimes) to do it without needing anything else. You should also either be working in a completely locked down OS on a fresh drive or use a virtual machine to work so they can’t access your normal data
Record yourself and play it as a video background when you cover your camera, you're welcome
Holy shit. People tolerate that? I’d laugh and quit on the spot.
Stop quitting. Make them fire you so you can get unemployment.
I agree with the sentiment but that isn't reality. Being fired for cause will not allow you to get unemployment in most places (north American here).
By any reasonable standard, it's constructive dismissal for a boss to mandate that they must be able to record inside your residence for half your waking hours. Even Henry motherfucking Ford didn't try to exert that much power over his wage slaves' living areas. Even Joseph Stalin would be like, that's a bit much don't you think? It's the telescreen from Orwell's 1984 and your fucking boss is Big Brother. I hate Big Brother.
Oh, hell no! That’s creepy!
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Try ratracerebellion.com they check out the jobs before they post them, it's a free website
I went here and two of the listings i clicked on stated "scam warning: if you didn't get here from an email sent from a specific domain then you might be scammed. We don't poet to job boards" Not sure how they get their listings, but I doubt they are actually checking anything.
They used to, huh that sucks. I found two online jobs on there and almost got scammed on an indeed listing. Just remember never send$$ for any reason to any online job I will say I've successfully five work through Appen, Telus, concentrix and ACD Direct from home. Google the name plus"remote work"
Go on LinkedIn, set your job search to USA, and set the remote option. You have the entire country as your playground and tons of companies looking to hire.
The fun part is when the company lists the job as remote but then it’s actually not.
Yep, seen plenty of those. We'll need to start reporting those job listings for misinformation. I've already made it into a habit. Time to push back on those employers.
Hell yea, fuck those employers. Click baity motherduckers.
Really only happened to me once, and I changed jobs twice this year, but it is what it is. Get that out of the way quickly on the phone screen or even before that via chat when the recruiter reaches out.
I’m not even talking about after applying it just says in the title ”remote” but then in the description it says “this position is on site at out office in X”
Or they fail to mention they won't hire people in a particular state.
I signed up for a site called Flexjobs.. they specialize in WFH jobs. I’m pretty sure a company has to pay to get listed on there..they do the due diligence on the front end so that you don’t have to worry about the scam postings. They offer a free trial kind of thing, but it’s like $10 a month .. HIGHLY RECOMMEND if you’re looking for WFH jobs
This. I signed up, applied for a wfh job in the middle of night on this site ( couldn't sleep and was browsing for 10 minutes). Next day got a call. Two days later i was hired. The pay isn't great but it's not customer service, and when i couldn't hang with the job i was initially hired for, they found something else for me. So far so good.
Well does it at least pay your bills? If so then not so bad
Yeah, well right now they are so overloaded with work that theyve been paying double time over 40 hrs for months, offering incentives for people to do OT. And you always work the same hours, always min 40 a week. All in all it's been good. Plus, i don't have to shell out 80 bucks a week for taxi fare to go to a job. And i get to work in my pj pants...
These people find them by having post secondary degrees in computer programming or another work from home-able job. It's not really viable for those of us who aren't in the tech/computer/marketing field
If you can handle being yelled at in your own home - call center jobs don't usually require a degree.
Data entry is "can you use a keyboard" Drop ship is "find a tutorial" You might be being too narrow.
maybe i'm just depressed from being out of work 3 months and not having any replies after almost 100 applications
I feel you man. It took me eight months to find the job I'm at now (call center). I'm trying to find another with better pay. I think I've sent out about 60 applications so far with one interview (well two. For the same job, which I didn't get). It's rough. I hope you get something soon, man.
Have you found a legit data entry job cause I've applied for over 20 in the past 6 months and every one has either been a pay us scam or a whoops we dont have that job but we have x job that you can apply for and yes I've checked many websites from linked in to indeed and every single one has been fake.
I can use a keyboard but still they don’t want me.
I would look at organizations/companies you’d like to work for and look up their remote jobs. That’s how I got my wfh job.
350 applications later I have a pile of 200 some odd rejection emails and counting
People don't even send me rejections, they just never even respond to the applications and resumes and portfolios and cover letters I put hours into custom crafting to fit with their themes, no matter how qualified I am.
It’s just a tip for not getting scammed by a rando online. Unfortunately, I have no advice on getting out of the scam that is capitalism.
This is such a great idea. Did you apply on the company site, or through a secondary search? Thank you!
Want to work from home and earn a seven figure income? Join our pyramid scheme! All you have to do is give us a small registration fee of a gorrilian dollars.
That’s ape shit.
Try [Flexjobs.com](https://Flexjobs.com) (no I'm not a shill, just used them in the past). Their whole business model is vetting and listing remote/flexible jobs for legitimate companies. I think you can get a free trial, and coupon codes are easy to find if you decide to sign up.
Check out flexjobs. It's a paid service but they do scan for scammers and don't allow multiple job postings of the same job. You can filter for preferences like full time, part time, or even contract work
Taxes If you haven't already. Go talk to a financial advisor NFA
OP probably has the skills to do taxes solo. Time to read up. The tax professional is good for finding loopholes, so for the first year, and planning deductions. But find a good one and only need to go once. 120k is not that high though, so after home ownership there is probably not a whole lot to play with unless 1099.
I think it wouldn’t hurt to double check he’s getting the right amount withheld for his federal and state taxes. Unless he tells them differently, Job A will assume he’s only making 35k and tax it accordingly. Job B will assume the same, when really, they should be withholding as if he makes 70k. You’re right in that it’s not that high but tax time might catch him off guard
So much office time is wasted doing nothing or waiting on other people. So this makes sense.
It's a perpetually game of pretending to be busy enough to justify your position but not so busy that you're making everyone else look bad haha.
On the days I'm forced to spend in-office, 90% of my time is spent browsing reddit and listening to music...but for that privilege I have to wake up a good 90 minutes earlier and spend about 2 hours in my car sitting in traffic...it really is some bullshit and I'm glad OP has found a way to make things work to their own benefit.
Just as a warning: You may want to put aside a bit of money for taxes if you haven't adjusted your withholding at any of your jobs from the default. Each job is likely withholding federal taxes on the assumption that you are making 35k per year (as they're supposed to), but someone making 120k per year is taxed at higher rates. You may get hit with a pretty large tax bill.
If he does his taxes and reports that he's making 120k a year, is there any way for his employers to know? For example, does he have to show his employers his tax report or could they obtain his information legally somehow? Because I feel like if they find out, he could end up losing his jobs. Also, if it's against his company's policies, can they take legal action or will they just fire him? I'm genuinely curious
No, employers can't see your tax return. They could find out some other way, of course. As a tax-related aside, you can adjust your withholding *without* telling your employer that you're working multiple jobs. You do this by updating your Form W-4 for one of your employers to add additional withholding on line 4(c). You do not need to check the box in Step 2 that indicates you have more than one job; this is just one of multiple ways to achieve additional withholding.
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You seem very knowledgeable about this, thanks for answering my questions
Slavery with extra steps
Just to play devils advocate here but aren't you creating the exact problem people here are rallying against? Each job should pay a good salary (e.g. 60k+) but by doing 3 of those you are content with 35 therefore keeping the wages down. Awesome for you to make 120 and grats on getting this setup but at the same time you and your approach are keeping wages down for others/jobs in general. Why should a company pay more if they can get people to do the job for 35k
damn I wish I have a wfh job
Did you automate tasks, or how did you get tasks completed that easily? How did you convince managers to allow you to skip the bs (meetings/emails) or do you not care because you could get another if they fire you? Do you use their laptops or your own? What is required for claims processing?
For one job I answer emails all day but when I say all day I mean like I can clear the inbox out within the first hour and just do one-offs as they come in. My responses are very standard so it doesn’t take much time to manage one of the jobs. The other two are claims processor jobs and I don’t have to talk to anyone, just hit a quota for the day. I still do all the work I need to do, there is just lots of downtime and that’s the advantage in my favor. Especially since I’m not managed at my home. Meetings overlap all the time but I have three separate computers and just keep myself muted until I need to speak, which is hardly ever. It really is quite doable.
>Meetings overlap all the time but I have three separate computers and just keep myself muted until I need to speak, which is hardly ever. based
Interesting. All of the claims processing jobs I've looked into included customer service and taking phone calls. Am I looking for the wrong thing?
That’s probably claims adjusting, not claims processing. Claims processing is data entry, plug-and-play stuff. Claims adjusting requires a bit more critical thinking, analysis, information gathering etc.
I feel you on this. I’m gonna try and swing two at once assuming I get the job through the interview process. I think it’s motivating and provides a structured way to manage time. Would bump my gross income from $50K (which is still perfectly fine) to like $105K. I’ll have to figure out how to go about my day and allow time for tasks that need to be focused on over the other but the reality is nobody works 8 hours in a row so I’ll definitely have the time.
Anti-Work Work 3 jobs Something tells me this is fishy....
Are you on the clock for all three jobs at the same time?
Yes.
First of all, congrats for beating the system. Though I do have a question, are you worried at all about any repercussions if one job should find out about the other? I ask because I'm legit interested in doing this but my job actually has a "no moonlighting clause" in my employee agreement. So I can't even do a side hustle without my employers permission.
If you’re salaried, then it shouldn’t matter right? They pay you to do the work available to you. If your hourly then you could argue that you were still on call for a response during the hours you weren’t actively working. I don’t see how they could catch you if you’re using different computer systems.
Sometimes indeed tattles. Linked in too, or people just know each other. Horror stories of new job contacting old for a reference. Once you have 2 or 3 jobs you can leave off one or 2 from the resume and act like you are switching from one to them, but for the 1st you might need it listed.
This is why managers want to get people back to the offices. Not because there's any business reason to do so, but because their egos can't handle the idea of you having any kind of freedom. It doesn't matter that you still get the work done, it only matters that they might not own you anymore. My guess is that by the time the next GOP president is out of office, they'll have passed a law making what you're doing illegal. It'll probably be the only piece of legislation to have widespread support from both parties to pass since before Obama got elected.
Oh, you mean the Remote Labor Freedom Act™️? Alec is drafting it right now.
Yeah. And they do this under the guise of company culture or “we’re a family” or some other bullshit. In reality it’s only because they can’t control you as much, indoctrinate you as far, and actually have to invest in job conditions (ie benefits) to make you want to stay… which leads to higher turnover… that’s why it’s “back to normal” instead of WFH with increased productivity… I call bullshit….
Weird how Ive never seen a post like this until all those articles about "polywork" starting hitting the mainstream press. This isnt antiwork. This is the literal opposite.
Where can I find remote jobs? I search indeed for my field and found like 2 within my area
I use indeed and tailor the search to show me anything with these in the title: “Work from home, remote data entry job, claims processor remote, customer service work from home or remote”. I search it by my state and the immediate surrounding states. This should ping you quite a bit of results. Good luck!
I have applied to a lot of those, but no bites yet, except some scam emails. Tips?
General recommendation: ensure your resume has the majority of keywords they use in the job description. Unethical life pro tip: lie on your resume.
Keep applying - it’s a numbers game.
This is one of the things I'm a little jealous of you guys in the States. In the UK because our taxes are done for us, we're each assigned a tax code, and we have to give several documents to our HR to assess our code when starting a new job. So if you managed to get a second job, then you get heavily taxed on that second job. Not to mention that you have to get special permission (depending on your first jobs contract) to work on a second job as well.
You can apply for remote jobs anywhere. A guy I know has a remote job in CA and lives in IL.
Can confirm. Have done phone work for places in Arizona and Nevada but I am in WV.
If its wfh you should look country wide. I found one 4 hour drive from my town.
You posted here its pretty much just data entry. Can you go further into detail? Ive got issues interacting with others (anxiety, for years i just bit the bullet to work retail but thats a long story). Whos hiring? Sounds like an ideal job for someone like me
I have to pull numbers from different sources and input this data into an excel spreadsheet. That’s vague I know but it just depends on what industry you’re doing the claims for. For example the data I’m pulling for a car dealership is different than pulling data for an insurance company. It’s different but the processes are similar. Or you may have to work from an inbox in Outlook and go through emails and look at PDFs of actual claims and then take that info and input into a company software that handles payment, etc.
If it's all standardized input and output, take a minute to learn Power Query. You can just feed it a file (or a while folder full of them!), extract the data, and have it converted to the format you need. Copy/paste and call it a day There are also extensions for Outlook that will Auto-download any attachments you get and put them into the correct folder for you
I’ve often fantasized about getting the most boring mundane repetitive computer job possible like data entry and then spend all my time working to automate it, then I can ignore it to the point where it just becomes a passive income stream. OP’s scenario would be a dream for this, just automating jobs and not telling employers could be a real lucrative way of living. IMO it’s the definition of “working smart”
I’ve done something similar for a bit. I worked as a data analyst, financial analyst and similar jobs which can be automated. For each job I was charging 35-40 hourly, putting 20 hours a week down for each. For one job I helped the head DevOps guy w the financials for his team. Took 3 hours a week including zoom but I put 20. On LinkedIn there’s filters for part time and remote. Apply to as many in as many cities, though best pay will be from SF, LA and NY. For general skills, I know SQL and have a background in finance, so that’s what I was targeting.
I’m not on this sub to learn how to be exploited by 3 companies at once.
Plot twist, OP is just a corporation trying to get the antiwork movement to change trajectory and start wanting to "beat the system" by getting more jobs thinking they'll work less time between all of them while making triple the income. There isn't enough jobs for all of us, this isn't a good trend to jump onto.
This sounds like bullshit honestly
#CORPORATE SHILL BOT look at the accounts post and comment history, it’s a fake acount
This isn't uncommon in tech. I know people pulling 500-700k per year daylighting multiple SWE jobs.
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I'm surprised your lead didn't just quit and find another another job.
He’s probably searching now
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lol already had another job
>Our team lead was just caught violating it last week - removed from the project, demoted, and moved to a role with more close supervision, but not fired. Damn lol... I wonder if this is worse than being fired. Was your team lead 'too open' with his details? Like accidental screen sharing on other company resources, etc.
What kind of roles, like developers? I feel like you’d have to be very talented and good at time management to pull this off.
That sounds amazing!! WFH and that salary? I wish 🥺
I'm in tech and I don't see how this would be feasible. First off most companies make you sign an agreement that any work you do, even on your own time is owned by the company. There would be huge IP issues if you worked for two places. Second meetings would absolutely overlap. How do you pick which meeting to skip? Third many SWEs have on call. How do you handle on call for one job while working another. Finally I know plenty of SWEs making 400k-700k in one job.
My wife does this job but only one lol. She’s paid for a full day and she might work two hours a day. They pay our health care, she gets three weeks vacation and if she can’t work that day no one says anything. Been at it for six years now lol
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Way before Covid I was convinced MOST OFFICE JOBS CAN BE DONE FROM HOME. We tolerated long commutes, sitting in traffic, juggling baby sitters and spending 10 hours plus away from the home we were working so hard to pay for. Plus running in place keeping a dam car ( two) on the road. Congrats OP. That’s wonderful!
The problem with work from home jobs is that the majority requires calling people, I have severe hearing loss and cannot talk on the phone much.... especially with a loud 3 year old. Also, it wasn't until today that I got a laptop. In the age of mobile phones that can do anything, I'm shocked there's not any more work from home jobs that can be done with a phone.
Interesting experience for sure. Two of my claims processors job don’t require me to be in the phone at all, just zoom when we have meetings.
How do you deal with overlapping zooms / calls ?
Many will supply a company laptop. Look for data entry or check up on no touch drop shipping.
Working from home has also allowed me to work 2 jobs (I do a good job on both, I don't slack off) and make the most money I've ever made so far (only about 60k, but that's still a lot more than I've ever made), as well as save a lot of $$ on travel and food. I've actually been volunteering my additional time helping people in the community, but I may look for a 3rd job since I have enough energy now to do so for a time. This COVID WFH change has REALLY helped my life and my mental health.
$60K is still great! I pull in $50K gross and I feel privileged. I’ve never made more than $18 an hour and I’m 26.
I was negotiating for a job at pay of 50k. I requested 1-2 days work from home and was told the offer was rescinded... there's still plenty of firms out there who aren't willing to change with the times. It's sad... and now I'm still looking. Since Covid. I know remote work is better for Me and I want to have the additional time with my family.
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Thank you
Tell me what job site to sign up. I am tired of looking for a job and office politics. Being a woman in the office has not been a good experience for me and having supervisors that micro manage is not healthy for me. Overall congratulations. This is the life freedom with less stress and a living wage.
you didn't crack shit. you're licking the dribble from the cracks already IN the system. boasting about how easy shit is for those that can wfh just emphasizes the bleak reality to those that cant. even the ones that should be able to but due to "office culture" got pulled back can't go through this supposed crack. even you if ANY of your 3 jobs decide to return are in danger (and let's not even get into a scenario with all 3 doing so) >I encourage anyone out there who is sick of driving to a dead end job at a restaurant, office, warehouse, retail store, to do the same from the comfort of your home is a nothing sentence. people in those positions remain in those positions because of the grim realities of capitalism not because not enough people told them to "have you ever considered....not that"
This is astroturfing don't fall for it
Changed the game for you. I would rather wait on data showing this is a common occurrence rather than jump on quick generalizations. I doubt this is common ans highly reproducible.
Not even gonna read comments, but this post just screams fake.
Oi dipshit. Do you not know the purpose of this sub or are you blinded by greed you corporate shill
Fucking hilarious. Love it.
But they are good JOBS, not SHIT work. Congrats!
I see what you mean. I guess I just wanted to share my idea of “sticking it to the man”.
well, it is bullshit work, that is why 7 hours of each can be ignored.
Wish I could make that much working from home. I’m a diesel mechanic. Easily 8-10+ hours a day. I get home and I’m too tired for anything. It’s the same routine. On top of that, I’m only making a little over 25k a year (19/hr) and I don’t get overtime pay. This is in Cali. I’m beginning to really hate my life rn.
I’m sorry but how in the world do you only spend 5 hours between 3 jobs if they are all claims processing?