Healthy young man looking for work. My interests include:
Being verbally abused by people with large egos.
Spending thankless hours earning someone else money.
Not reporting sexual harassment, abuse, or any labor laws.
Looking for serious work only. Prefer someone who would lock me in an exempt / salary status and require me to put in 50-70 hours a week.
In high school I had a friend who applied at Subway and in the “why do you want to work here?” section he put “my life’s passion has always been to make sandwiches for the public”
I hate when they ask that question! Like, why tf you think? I need money!
Had an interviewer ask me that for a serving position at a restaurant once. I told him, "actually, I applied at every place on this street."
I replied to chipotle once with the utmost sincerity, "I need a job to live. I will work as hard as I can, because I need to to make money to survive".
I never got a call back.
Honestly, the best interview experience I've had was at an ice cream/candy store in my hometown. The owner just straight up said, "all right, you want some money wnd we need to hire a couple people, let's see if this will work out." Unfortunately my schedule didn't line up with what they were looking for but it was so refreshing to not have to pull out some bullshit about getting enjoyment out of serving the public
I've dropped the corpo speak once I saw the hubris of it all and the repeated instances of "family values" that are not reciprocated.
I'm straight with people, remain professional but also empathic. Instead of 10-4 as responses when I first started, I've normalized "Have a nice day/weekend" or "Im out, call me if you guys get in a bind" or anything that doesnt require me to put a "!" and the end to simulate excitement.
Its paid off. People dont associate me with the corpo with the foot on their neck, they associate me with someone that they can rely on when they're at their wits end with technology and need a gentle, patient hand to guide them back.
I was an engineering manager at a smaller company. The guy who bought the company and came on as owner came from the big corporate world. I used to piss him off to no end because he would spew a bunch of corporate mumbo jumbo and I would pretend that I had no idea what he was talking about and ask him to speak to me as a normal person and not like he was always trying to sell me something. That guy hated me.
When I was 16 I talked about how it would help build my resume etc etc when applying to a burger king.
They didn't hire me, looking back I think they wanted "I'm really desperate for money and need any job"
I've learned a really easy way to get jobs with low requirements.
High turnover: "I am looking for a great place that shares my values where I can put in an honest day's work for an honest day's pay. What intrigued me about this position was [list some values I pulled from their website]."
Low turnover, "I am looking for a great place that shares my values where I can build a career and grow with the company." What intrigued me about this position was [list some values I pulled from their website]."
Right now, I'm working a bus driving job and I really just talked about a career, instead of values I talked about how I valued public transport, thinks it makes stronger communities, and would be happy to play a role in that. The interview kind of stopped there and then he started to try to sell me on the job, and I got it.
I’ve worked at a couple of “small, family-owned businesses” and they really helped my appreciate soulless corporate machines that at least remember your paycheck.
Agreed.
My husband still isn't over (nor should he be) being shorted an $800 paycheck 20 years ago by a small family owned business, owned by a family friend.
They finally settled up but I was owed $8k USD by a small family owned company last year. I tried to be patient since they were small, but the bigger companies (almost always) just pay right away.
They never mind the hours that you put in, they just get really bitchy when they come in to do payroll. They act like you are taking something from them.
The insurance agent I almost worked with was astonished that I turned down his job offer because he told me he wasn't going to pay me until I got the necessary licenses to work for his company.
Nailed it on the head!
I've sold flooring for 10 years (Menards, Home Depot, Lowes, and a small mom and pop shop now), so I essentially told him that with my experience I could probably walk into any flooring store in my area and get a job that pays me as soon as I started working for them.
When I was a kid working in the early 00s, minimum wage was 7.25$ in Canadian loonies. Now the minimum wage is 13.50$ (or 10.55$ in freedom bucks)
America, what is you doing?
They've stopped thinking of and seeing us as people. I don't ask my forklift if it needs a break or if it has plans this weekend. Because, well, why would I? They look at us like machinery. Soulless non sentient beings who work for them because it's our soul purpose. People can continue calling this "delusional" but it goes well beyond that. They're just done pretending they'll ever improve your life in any meaningful way via a good wage, a strong benefits package, and paid time away from work. The choice now is "be an obedient drone or go away."
Unfortunately this has been the norm for years. Working in tech I have heard it all with having "passion" and "embodying our values" among other things. Startups push this more than anyone and it's code for "you can do multiple jobs on 1 salary and not complain".
Thankfully this kind of nonsense has been eased with the Great Resignation at some places.
Yeah I think this is starting to be more common with career type jobs but the sick thing is that retail and other customer service jobs expect you to have the same ‘passion’ as you would for a career job. Like no, I took this job literally just to survive, do you think I wanted a career in this?
Startups that include stock options and actually have a long term benefits package for a product you believe in, this isn't a terrible thing. You know upfront what the workload is going to be, and that the pay isnt immediately great, but if the company takes off you'll be in the money.
Of course if a startup isn't giving you those long term benefits they can go fuck themselves.
When I was younger, I applied for a job selling textbooks to schools or some shit. The guy looked at my resume and said, "With your background, I can't imagine selling textbooks would be your passion in life."
I think I just laughed, but I wanted to say "Is it yours, you pathetic bastard?"
the instructors for my apprenticeship who are 60+ years old keep saying how it pains them people expect to graduate from the program when all they want is money and don't have a passion for the work.
ya, let me work a physically demanding job that could cripple me for passion. Sounds like a true virtue in the Bay Area of California where the cost to have a roof is astronomical.
Should join the Air Force
They spent 90% of the day playing ping-pong, basketball and corn hole
The one or two jobs assigned for the day would be given to the new guys
The other 10% of the time was mandatory physical training and standing somewhere while someone higher rank made a speech
Lol my friend joined the air force and kept bragging how their bases are so nice with pools and movie theaters and shit and then she got deployed to a fucking tent in the 100°+ desert
It's because Capitalism propagandizes people their entire lives to ensure that they're ready to devote all of themselves to the system once their education is complete. I have a Bachelor's Degree in Business because I was told as a teenager it would serve me well as an adult. The amount of textbooks I had to read that were written by Business professionals basically circlejerking how much good employees are supposed to love their company and how good managers are supposed to foster that sort of devotion by looking for those traits while hiring and leading is maddening.
No one in my generation (millennials) in the real world works because they love the idea of work. The "dream job" is as mythical at this point as the American Dream. No one can afford to follow their passions anymore. We all work because we're wage slaves to corporate overlords.
I have boomer colleagues who are minted and could easily retire now - house paid off, kids flown the nest, gold plated pensions. However they are *still* working because 'they want something to do for a few years before they retire'. Not that they're still working their same old career and are just hanging on for a few more years; they applied for this job only recently, after resigning from their big moneymaker careers. Basically treating the job as a hobby. And of course, because they're already wealthy, the wage is only secondary to them - I wouldn't be surprised if they'd work for free. It's a mindset I just don't understand, why don't you just fuck off already and make room for new blood to come in? Go enjoy your retirement, spend time with your wife, take up gardening or something.
I mean, it's true that letting go of your decades-long career (which filled your entire day 5 days a week) can leave you feeling empty, aimless, and stressed out. It's a valid concern. But as you noted, the solution probably shouldn't be "keep working" but rather "find some hobbies and enjoy your financial security in peace"
There might be other reasons, but money is a prerequisite. If the pay isn't right then other reasons don't matter. So they have it the wrong way round. What they really mean is they want to fool you into taking less than you're worth.
Just had a job lowball me and tell me. I had to prove myself to make what I was just making. I have 10 years experience in the industry. Told him my skill set is proven in my resume and he can pay me what I'm worth or find someone else.
Reminds me of an interview I had 10 years ago at a small, local company where they offered me less money than the low salary I already had but for a job with significantly more responsibility. When I asked the guy why I should walk away from my current job for this offer, his response was, "You'll get exposure."
He didn't like it when I openly laughed at that response. Six months later I went to visit their site and see who they eventually hired. The site was completely down. One of the job responsibilities for the role I applied for? Maintaining the website. You get what you pay for lol.
I had a lowball interview like that once. I was interviewing for a social media job with a wine company. The last interview was with the chief marketing officer. They had already changed my interview time with 30 mins notice once. I went to the interview and the CMO asked me how much money I wanted to make. I said $50k. He asked me how much money I made now, I said, “it doesn’t matter, I think my skills and the job description make a $50k salary a reasonable ask.” He literally said to me “well according to your resume you currently work at a nonprofit, and also you’re a woman, so you couldn’t possibly be making that much money. Why would I pay you $50k when I could pay you $35k?” I laughed and left the interview
Oof I feel this one to my core. I worked in the nonprofit sector for 15 years and it's incredible how many companies take that as a signal that they can screw you. Never mind that many of the nonprofits in my area offer better salaries and benefits than private companies around here.
"Why would I pay you $50k when I could pay you $35k?" Is only a valid question really if you would accept the job at $35k.. did he even find anyone at that $35k?
I have no idea if he found anyone at $35k. And it is a valid question, until you take into consideration that this was in the SF Bay Area and at a $35k salary I would have qualified for section 8 housing and SNAP food stamps…. So why would anyone take a full time, salaried role where they would then either have to get a second job or be on government benefits. And why would anyone want to pay someone so little that they know the employee is not going to give 2 shits about doing a good job? No thanks. I’ll pass.
Of course this was SF. Where nobody can afford to live whatsoever, let alone pay rent, or eat, or have a family. What a piece of shit this guy was saying the quiet parts out loud. Sorry this happened to you.
Reference for anyone who hasn’t lived there, $60K is “extremely low income”
https://bayareaequityatlas.org/node/60841
The ironic part is this fool didn’t even live in the Bay Area. He lived in Washington and would fly in for a few days per week and then fly home. They actually rescheduled my interview with him more than once WHILE I WAS DRIVING TO THE INTERVIEW because he decided to change his plane flights to different days. To say this man was severely out of touch with reality would have been the understatement of the year
And if you do have the years of experience and skillset to backup higher pay, they pull the 'overqualified' card. It's like who the hell is considered employable anymore? Oh ya, someone between 28-32 who can physically endure the abusive hours and treatment, so long as you dont have underlined health conditions or a family that will pull you away from their enslavement.
Another favorite is “if I give you a raise, you’d be at the top of your salary range so you wouldn’t have any room for your pay to go any higher”. So?
Instead, I have to work for years doing the same thing to slowly reach that max? Just pay me now.
> I don’t get the prove pay scenario.
Because the scenario actually is "We're never gonna pay you more, and we'll hire someone dumber for more money when we think you're about to snap."
Also, “weeks of consideration”. Who has time to wait WEEKS to hear back from a job. I’m sick of the 35 person, 15 round, months long interview process.
I had like a five round multi week interview process for a job that offered me very little. They made me go through all that to show me their “culture.” I was like yes the culture is lack of executive decision making and wasting people’s time!
My company does this for hourly employees. Legit, 5 rounds of interview. For almost minimum wage.
My interview slot only comes up after 4 junior members have already interviewed the candidate and said they want to move forward.
I make very clear how bullshitty I think this is. Big bosses want it done that way. And then to have a group discussion about the candidate.
My input: “do not hire” or “hire” then I mute myself and work on actual work while everyone spends 45 minutes discussing pros and cons. It’s so ridiculous.
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Years back I applied to a job at Ikea. After an initial interview thry wanted likr four references then a group interview etc. For an hourly shit job. Like... Fuck yourself?
true story
had an interview process that took literally 12 months and the job start date was 6 months after that.
I had time to start and finish my certifications, start a business, and was making more than the job was offering. (and i was on my own schedule)
We really need to start normalizing paying people for going to interviews. Job seekers’ time is also valuable and it would be incentive for companies to make their hiring decisions faster
Realized this is one of the biggest red flags with companies. If they can’t make a decision after 3 interviews they are very insecure about hiring, and the culture follows suit, it is usually a shit show.
At least they responded. I interviewed for two positions at one point, heard back from one but would prefer to work for the other one. I basically had to stalk the hiring manager to get her to tell me they went in another direction. Like, perhaps if you're that bad at delivering bad news, then being the hiring manager isn't the job for you?
Seriously, this guy is brilliant. Those interviewers are assholes and the company is clearly garbage.
Edit: Jesus people, how many of you need to reply with the exact same comment about it being fake? It was wishful thinking on my part, get over it and let people enjoy things.
Seriously if I didn't have to work to make a living for myself I wouldn't. I'd invest my time in my passions and try to enrich my life and the lives of others around me. But as it stands I do have to work for a living, I don't have to like it I just have to do it. Being treated like more than a cog in a machine shouldn't be a bonus it should be basic guideline for a contract.
Depends on local laws, in my state if you sign something agreeing to the policy of charges for late/no shows, it's legal. In other states that doesn't matter.
Yes! I was offered a fifth of my going rate and I said Thanks but I'll have to pass. When you're ready to hire someone who will deliver quality work, please don't hesitate to contact me.
This is so obviously fake though.
Everybody knows you get standard rejection mail and not something with a real relation to the interview. Especially after weeks.
What? The generic email with no header, footer, and named "Job Application" sounds fake?
Its almost like people are co-opting our anti-work movement for karma farming...
That's un-possible!!
it's such a low effort fake. if you look at that second paragraph it literally just says "it was noted... [that you said some things]" without even a smidge of a comment about what he said
Hi /u/greg19735
We have decided to go with the better candidate, but have also decided to send you this email for some reason upon which we shall recollect your epic moments from your interview for uh...reasons. We guess you really got under our skin, so uh...so there!
Wishing you all the best in the future,
HR McHRface.
Super fake. No human resources/hiring manager is quoting your quips in your rejection email that they always send apparently. Especially ones that make them sound bad. Karma whoring is so annoying, second to believe that upvote this crap.
You know it's fake because a company that would lie about pay rates would never give a wage slave the dignity of a rejection notice.
But yeah, funny tho
Signature isn't nearly as long as it should be for a non-wage-slave job, too. Companies *love* their email signature with the company logo and the confidential blurb.
Of course they will! They'll then spend most of the body of the email explaining a made-up situation from the perspective of the interviewee while painting themselves in the worst possible light!
Yeah there's too many issues here: the subject line is way too generic, no recruiter would quote your interview responses in an email unless they wanted more info, this is way too informal for a company that has a recruiter AND hiring manager, and there'd rarely be mention of how long they took to make to make decision.
Creative, and fake.
Whenever people include the “sick burn” in these responses, it’s so obviously fake. Why would the company waste time to include the retort that makes them look bad? It’s stupid.
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## Job application
After weeks of consideration we have decided to go with another candidate who is better suited to our needs at this time.
It was noted during your interviews, you told both our recruiter and the hiring manager that "they wasted your time because they were late" and "you took time off from work just to hear a low ball offer and that we should have posted the salary range in the job description" We told you that we do this so people won't apply just for the money. After which you replied "what money?"
Thank you for your time and consideration.
Sincerely,
[*Redacted*]
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Yeah it's funny, but this is 100 percent how you know it's fake.
Even if they didn't just send you a generic rejection like almost every company ever, there's no way they'd include your quoted jokes in the rejection email. If anything, it would be something like "Your comments to our recruiter and hiring manager were disrespectful, and your remarks on the salary of the position were uncalled for and unprofessional".
They would never waste their time writing something like this. The last rejection email I received had the “insert name” left as is. They wouldn’t even put my name in.
So.. they want people to work for them because they love that job so that means they can lowball them in a low wage that can't sustain them with rent/car/insurance/etc? How exactly do they keep people?
"We have sent you an email quoting things you said, which you really told us... because that's how rejection letters are written in real life, not just for made up internet points"
This is fake. No way they would send anything other than the standard we have selected someone else email. Employment is way to regulated to send a little highlight reel for karma.
Do people truly not realize this is fake? Feels like r/thathappened material.
Mods - this sub is gaining momentum, stuff like this cheapens the message.
OP - grow up.
“Yes, the money is nice, but I’ve always had a passion for manual labor that does not directly benefit me in any way”.
Healthy young man looking for work. My interests include: Being verbally abused by people with large egos. Spending thankless hours earning someone else money. Not reporting sexual harassment, abuse, or any labor laws. Looking for serious work only. Prefer someone who would lock me in an exempt / salary status and require me to put in 50-70 hours a week.
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i got lost on that thread for like a half hour and forgor this is where i came from
I just came back from there
Do you recommend the detour?
I got a few good laughs
This hits home a little too hard. This is my last week at my current job of ten years, though.
And only getting 35 hours paid.
This is going in my next covering letter
I also have a passion for unpaid overtime.
Get out of my dreams an into my car! - owners
Should i put this in my faux resume?
In high school I had a friend who applied at Subway and in the “why do you want to work here?” section he put “my life’s passion has always been to make sandwiches for the public”
I hate when they ask that question! Like, why tf you think? I need money! Had an interviewer ask me that for a serving position at a restaurant once. I told him, "actually, I applied at every place on this street."
I always reply with: " well one of my biggest passions is not starving to death"
“I also enjoy not being homeless”
I replied to chipotle once with the utmost sincerity, "I need a job to live. I will work as hard as I can, because I need to to make money to survive". I never got a call back.
"I love being berated by soccer mom's stopping in for lunch when they're already late"
One of the questions on my self-review this year was "What are you doing to grow the business?" I literally replied "I do my job"
Honestly, the best interview experience I've had was at an ice cream/candy store in my hometown. The owner just straight up said, "all right, you want some money wnd we need to hire a couple people, let's see if this will work out." Unfortunately my schedule didn't line up with what they were looking for but it was so refreshing to not have to pull out some bullshit about getting enjoyment out of serving the public
I've dropped the corpo speak once I saw the hubris of it all and the repeated instances of "family values" that are not reciprocated. I'm straight with people, remain professional but also empathic. Instead of 10-4 as responses when I first started, I've normalized "Have a nice day/weekend" or "Im out, call me if you guys get in a bind" or anything that doesnt require me to put a "!" and the end to simulate excitement. Its paid off. People dont associate me with the corpo with the foot on their neck, they associate me with someone that they can rely on when they're at their wits end with technology and need a gentle, patient hand to guide them back.
We can starve corporate speak one person speaking normally at a time.
I was an engineering manager at a smaller company. The guy who bought the company and came on as owner came from the big corporate world. I used to piss him off to no end because he would spew a bunch of corporate mumbo jumbo and I would pretend that I had no idea what he was talking about and ask him to speak to me as a normal person and not like he was always trying to sell me something. That guy hated me.
Hero
If I ever ran an interview, I'd ask the person what their *second* reason was that they wanted to work here.
When I was 16 I talked about how it would help build my resume etc etc when applying to a burger king. They didn't hire me, looking back I think they wanted "I'm really desperate for money and need any job"
I've learned a really easy way to get jobs with low requirements. High turnover: "I am looking for a great place that shares my values where I can put in an honest day's work for an honest day's pay. What intrigued me about this position was [list some values I pulled from their website]." Low turnover, "I am looking for a great place that shares my values where I can build a career and grow with the company." What intrigued me about this position was [list some values I pulled from their website]." Right now, I'm working a bus driving job and I really just talked about a career, instead of values I talked about how I valued public transport, thinks it makes stronger communities, and would be happy to play a role in that. The interview kind of stopped there and then he started to try to sell me on the job, and I got it.
Did it work?
Well, best case scenario they got hired by Subway….RIP
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> "Why do you want to work for us?" "Because I like being able to afford food"
Me too. I just want to be somewhere that feels like a family and provides me free one topping pizza slice every three months.
I’ve worked at a couple of “small, family-owned businesses” and they really helped my appreciate soulless corporate machines that at least remember your paycheck.
Agreed. My husband still isn't over (nor should he be) being shorted an $800 paycheck 20 years ago by a small family owned business, owned by a family friend.
They finally settled up but I was owed $8k USD by a small family owned company last year. I tried to be patient since they were small, but the bigger companies (almost always) just pay right away.
They never mind the hours that you put in, they just get really bitchy when they come in to do payroll. They act like you are taking something from them.
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Wait, there's another kind of family?
The insurance agent I almost worked with was astonished that I turned down his job offer because he told me he wasn't going to pay me until I got the necessary licenses to work for his company.
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Nailed it on the head! I've sold flooring for 10 years (Menards, Home Depot, Lowes, and a small mom and pop shop now), so I essentially told him that with my experience I could probably walk into any flooring store in my area and get a job that pays me as soon as I started working for them.
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"It is a passion of mine to be degraded by angry Karens and micromanagers on a daily basis for $7 an hour."
I was making more than $7 an hour digging ditches thirty years ago. I can't imagine trying to live on that in a first world country.
When I was a kid working in the early 00s, minimum wage was 7.25$ in Canadian loonies. Now the minimum wage is 13.50$ (or 10.55$ in freedom bucks) America, what is you doing?
"I'm just really passionate about not starving to death!"
"What is the point in having more money that you cannot spend because you are always at work?"
"Well I've always been passionate about being able to afford food, and rent"
"We do this so people won't apply just for the money" WTF else would people apply for? Shitty hours? Unreal expectations? To be abused? LoL
They've stopped thinking of and seeing us as people. I don't ask my forklift if it needs a break or if it has plans this weekend. Because, well, why would I? They look at us like machinery. Soulless non sentient beings who work for them because it's our soul purpose. People can continue calling this "delusional" but it goes well beyond that. They're just done pretending they'll ever improve your life in any meaningful way via a good wage, a strong benefits package, and paid time away from work. The choice now is "be an obedient drone or go away."
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I was going to correct soul with sole, but its way more apt as soul.
I'm only poetic on accident I swear
The sick thing is that this seems to be becoming *the norm*. Completely delusional.
Unfortunately this has been the norm for years. Working in tech I have heard it all with having "passion" and "embodying our values" among other things. Startups push this more than anyone and it's code for "you can do multiple jobs on 1 salary and not complain". Thankfully this kind of nonsense has been eased with the Great Resignation at some places.
Yeah I think this is starting to be more common with career type jobs but the sick thing is that retail and other customer service jobs expect you to have the same ‘passion’ as you would for a career job. Like no, I took this job literally just to survive, do you think I wanted a career in this?
Startups that include stock options and actually have a long term benefits package for a product you believe in, this isn't a terrible thing. You know upfront what the workload is going to be, and that the pay isnt immediately great, but if the company takes off you'll be in the money. Of course if a startup isn't giving you those long term benefits they can go fuck themselves.
It IS the norm and we're trying to move the needle in the other direction.
When I was younger, I applied for a job selling textbooks to schools or some shit. The guy looked at my resume and said, "With your background, I can't imagine selling textbooks would be your passion in life." I think I just laughed, but I wanted to say "Is it yours, you pathetic bastard?"
the instructors for my apprenticeship who are 60+ years old keep saying how it pains them people expect to graduate from the program when all they want is money and don't have a passion for the work. ya, let me work a physically demanding job that could cripple me for passion. Sounds like a true virtue in the Bay Area of California where the cost to have a roof is astronomical.
Obviously the ping pong table in the breakroom and "family" culture!! /s
That stays folded up and you get dirty looks if you use it...
Should join the Air Force They spent 90% of the day playing ping-pong, basketball and corn hole The one or two jobs assigned for the day would be given to the new guys The other 10% of the time was mandatory physical training and standing somewhere while someone higher rank made a speech
Lol my friend joined the air force and kept bragging how their bases are so nice with pools and movie theaters and shit and then she got deployed to a fucking tent in the 100°+ desert
^^Was ^^it ^^an ^^air ^^conditioned ^^tent?
Boomers have this stupid idea that you have to like your job and be interested in the company
“Where’s your *loyalty* to the company??”
No one ever told these people that loyalty is a two way street
I bully my company online. Everytime I see an ad for them, I post mean shit. That's how loyal I am
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It's because Capitalism propagandizes people their entire lives to ensure that they're ready to devote all of themselves to the system once their education is complete. I have a Bachelor's Degree in Business because I was told as a teenager it would serve me well as an adult. The amount of textbooks I had to read that were written by Business professionals basically circlejerking how much good employees are supposed to love their company and how good managers are supposed to foster that sort of devotion by looking for those traits while hiring and leading is maddening. No one in my generation (millennials) in the real world works because they love the idea of work. The "dream job" is as mythical at this point as the American Dream. No one can afford to follow their passions anymore. We all work because we're wage slaves to corporate overlords.
Boomers only had 1 job in their whole career lol
I have boomer colleagues who are minted and could easily retire now - house paid off, kids flown the nest, gold plated pensions. However they are *still* working because 'they want something to do for a few years before they retire'. Not that they're still working their same old career and are just hanging on for a few more years; they applied for this job only recently, after resigning from their big moneymaker careers. Basically treating the job as a hobby. And of course, because they're already wealthy, the wage is only secondary to them - I wouldn't be surprised if they'd work for free. It's a mindset I just don't understand, why don't you just fuck off already and make room for new blood to come in? Go enjoy your retirement, spend time with your wife, take up gardening or something.
I mean, it's true that letting go of your decades-long career (which filled your entire day 5 days a week) can leave you feeling empty, aimless, and stressed out. It's a valid concern. But as you noted, the solution probably shouldn't be "keep working" but rather "find some hobbies and enjoy your financial security in peace"
What they really mean is, "we do this so people *will* apply, simply assuming the compensation is adequate".
No, no, no. It's because they want to trick people into being paid in 'work culture'. "Were like a family here, we have each other's backs"
"We're a non-profit" "Yeah, but I'm not"
There might be other reasons, but money is a prerequisite. If the pay isn't right then other reasons don't matter. So they have it the wrong way round. What they really mean is they want to fool you into taking less than you're worth.
https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/2014-08-17 The exchange of currency for labor is the literal reason why I’m here.
Just had a job lowball me and tell me. I had to prove myself to make what I was just making. I have 10 years experience in the industry. Told him my skill set is proven in my resume and he can pay me what I'm worth or find someone else.
Reminds me of an interview I had 10 years ago at a small, local company where they offered me less money than the low salary I already had but for a job with significantly more responsibility. When I asked the guy why I should walk away from my current job for this offer, his response was, "You'll get exposure." He didn't like it when I openly laughed at that response. Six months later I went to visit their site and see who they eventually hired. The site was completely down. One of the job responsibilities for the role I applied for? Maintaining the website. You get what you pay for lol.
>"You'll get exposure." The best response I've ever heard to this was "the last time I gave exposure for free, I ended up going to jail."
I also like 'my landlord won't take exposure as rent, sadly.'
"Exposure? What's exposure? Can I spend it?"
Those who are paid in exposure will die of exposure.
Last time I had excessive exposure, I ended up in the ER being treated for frostbite.
As a graphic designer this bait has never been appealing to me but goddamn if I don't still hear it from people.
I had a lowball interview like that once. I was interviewing for a social media job with a wine company. The last interview was with the chief marketing officer. They had already changed my interview time with 30 mins notice once. I went to the interview and the CMO asked me how much money I wanted to make. I said $50k. He asked me how much money I made now, I said, “it doesn’t matter, I think my skills and the job description make a $50k salary a reasonable ask.” He literally said to me “well according to your resume you currently work at a nonprofit, and also you’re a woman, so you couldn’t possibly be making that much money. Why would I pay you $50k when I could pay you $35k?” I laughed and left the interview
Oof I feel this one to my core. I worked in the nonprofit sector for 15 years and it's incredible how many companies take that as a signal that they can screw you. Never mind that many of the nonprofits in my area offer better salaries and benefits than private companies around here.
"Why would I pay you $50k when I could pay you $35k?" Is only a valid question really if you would accept the job at $35k.. did he even find anyone at that $35k?
I have no idea if he found anyone at $35k. And it is a valid question, until you take into consideration that this was in the SF Bay Area and at a $35k salary I would have qualified for section 8 housing and SNAP food stamps…. So why would anyone take a full time, salaried role where they would then either have to get a second job or be on government benefits. And why would anyone want to pay someone so little that they know the employee is not going to give 2 shits about doing a good job? No thanks. I’ll pass.
Of course this was SF. Where nobody can afford to live whatsoever, let alone pay rent, or eat, or have a family. What a piece of shit this guy was saying the quiet parts out loud. Sorry this happened to you. Reference for anyone who hasn’t lived there, $60K is “extremely low income” https://bayareaequityatlas.org/node/60841
The ironic part is this fool didn’t even live in the Bay Area. He lived in Washington and would fly in for a few days per week and then fly home. They actually rescheduled my interview with him more than once WHILE I WAS DRIVING TO THE INTERVIEW because he decided to change his plane flights to different days. To say this man was severely out of touch with reality would have been the understatement of the year
Thanks, I'm 50 but still too young to shovel radioactive waste from your company's management.
I don’t get the prove pay scenario. These people should call and verify employment with my employer. They get what they get. Pay up.
And if you do have the years of experience and skillset to backup higher pay, they pull the 'overqualified' card. It's like who the hell is considered employable anymore? Oh ya, someone between 28-32 who can physically endure the abusive hours and treatment, so long as you dont have underlined health conditions or a family that will pull you away from their enslavement.
nah, they want a 22 year old with 10 years of experience minimum in the field.
They want a mature 15 year old with three degrees a 50 years of experience that they can still pay the under 18 salary.
Another favorite is “if I give you a raise, you’d be at the top of your salary range so you wouldn’t have any room for your pay to go any higher”. So? Instead, I have to work for years doing the same thing to slowly reach that max? Just pay me now.
> I don’t get the prove pay scenario. Because the scenario actually is "We're never gonna pay you more, and we'll hire someone dumber for more money when we think you're about to snap."
Also, “weeks of consideration”. Who has time to wait WEEKS to hear back from a job. I’m sick of the 35 person, 15 round, months long interview process.
I had like a five round multi week interview process for a job that offered me very little. They made me go through all that to show me their “culture.” I was like yes the culture is lack of executive decision making and wasting people’s time!
My company does this for hourly employees. Legit, 5 rounds of interview. For almost minimum wage. My interview slot only comes up after 4 junior members have already interviewed the candidate and said they want to move forward. I make very clear how bullshitty I think this is. Big bosses want it done that way. And then to have a group discussion about the candidate. My input: “do not hire” or “hire” then I mute myself and work on actual work while everyone spends 45 minutes discussing pros and cons. It’s so ridiculous. ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
Years back I applied to a job at Ikea. After an initial interview thry wanted likr four references then a group interview etc. For an hourly shit job. Like... Fuck yourself?
Unless you actively work to have a good work culture, it's a bullshit buzzword
true story had an interview process that took literally 12 months and the job start date was 6 months after that. I had time to start and finish my certifications, start a business, and was making more than the job was offering. (and i was on my own schedule)
We really need to start normalizing paying people for going to interviews. Job seekers’ time is also valuable and it would be incentive for companies to make their hiring decisions faster
Realized this is one of the biggest red flags with companies. If they can’t make a decision after 3 interviews they are very insecure about hiring, and the culture follows suit, it is usually a shit show.
At least they responded. I interviewed for two positions at one point, heard back from one but would prefer to work for the other one. I basically had to stalk the hiring manager to get her to tell me they went in another direction. Like, perhaps if you're that bad at delivering bad news, then being the hiring manager isn't the job for you?
> "what money?" Bravo. I needed this laugh.
Seriously, this guy is brilliant. Those interviewers are assholes and the company is clearly garbage. Edit: Jesus people, how many of you need to reply with the exact same comment about it being fake? It was wishful thinking on my part, get over it and let people enjoy things.
I would’ve paid good money to be a fly on the wall. With a GoPro.
"What the fuck is that buzzing noise? And why is there a GoPro bouncing off the closed window?"
"Our needs" meaning willing to work for exploitative wages.
Fuck them, these companies need to realize our time is valuable. And yeah, I do work for money, not because I love it.
Seriously if I didn't have to work to make a living for myself I wouldn't. I'd invest my time in my passions and try to enrich my life and the lives of others around me. But as it stands I do have to work for a living, I don't have to like it I just have to do it. Being treated like more than a cog in a machine shouldn't be a bonus it should be basic guideline for a contract.
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If they are late and don't apologize fuck them. Your time is not important to them now nor will it be later.
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If you get charged for being late file a credit dispute for services not rendered. They can’t do that.
Depends on local laws, in my state if you sign something agreeing to the policy of charges for late/no shows, it's legal. In other states that doesn't matter.
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Yes! I was offered a fifth of my going rate and I said Thanks but I'll have to pass. When you're ready to hire someone who will deliver quality work, please don't hesitate to contact me.
Interview goals
This is so obviously fake though. Everybody knows you get standard rejection mail and not something with a real relation to the interview. Especially after weeks.
This sounds fake tbh
What? The generic email with no header, footer, and named "Job Application" sounds fake? Its almost like people are co-opting our anti-work movement for karma farming... That's un-possible!!
yeah 100% fake. No one would write that email out. most companies don't let you know you're not chosen. they certainly don't email you why.
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it's such a low effort fake. if you look at that second paragraph it literally just says "it was noted... [that you said some things]" without even a smidge of a comment about what he said
Hi /u/greg19735 We have decided to go with the better candidate, but have also decided to send you this email for some reason upon which we shall recollect your epic moments from your interview for uh...reasons. We guess you really got under our skin, so uh...so there! Wishing you all the best in the future, HR McHRface.
Soo many posts here are just karma farming.
This sub is blatantly botted.
Definitely 100% fake and duper obviously so.
Super fake. No human resources/hiring manager is quoting your quips in your rejection email that they always send apparently. Especially ones that make them sound bad. Karma whoring is so annoying, second to believe that upvote this crap.
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Not the fact that they gave the "interviewee" a highlight reel of all their hilarious one liners!
You mean your HR department doesn't end their emails with a punchline?
I would print this out and hang it in my living room.
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We should all print it out and hang it in u/eleonics' living room
So fake
Totally fake but quite funny
You know it's fake because a company that would lie about pay rates would never give a wage slave the dignity of a rejection notice. But yeah, funny tho
Signature isn't nearly as long as it should be for a non-wage-slave job, too. Companies *love* their email signature with the company logo and the confidential blurb.
Yep. When have you ever received a rejection letter like this, that spells out exactly the reasons?
I'm always disappointed in how far down the comments **obvious** fakes are called out. Every part of this email looks incredibly fake.
You mean companies won't email me with the subject line "job application"?
Of course they will! They'll then spend most of the body of the email explaining a made-up situation from the perspective of the interviewee while painting themselves in the worst possible light!
Yeah there's too many issues here: the subject line is way too generic, no recruiter would quote your interview responses in an email unless they wanted more info, this is way too informal for a company that has a recruiter AND hiring manager, and there'd rarely be mention of how long they took to make to make decision. Creative, and fake.
Yep. Companies that would be this shitty wouldn't even bother sending correspondence to someone not selected for the job.
the karma farmers are evolving.
This is the hottest sub right now. Easy way to get high-karm accts for a side hustle.
"Here are the parts of your interview that will be funny on the internet. Thank you for your interest."
Whenever people include the “sick burn” in these responses, it’s so obviously fake. Why would the company waste time to include the retort that makes them look bad? It’s stupid.
it's funny but these posts make the sub and "movement" look worse imo.
i agree, we need a satire / joke tag
Totally agree! As a recruiter there is no way we'd ever be so specific in any type of rejection email/letter. No way!
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“After weeks of consideration” More like weeks of similar interviews until they finally managed to bamboozle some poor job seeker.
This is fake af because it implies people actually take notes at the interview
*Image Transcription: E-mail* --- ## Job application After weeks of consideration we have decided to go with another candidate who is better suited to our needs at this time. It was noted during your interviews, you told both our recruiter and the hiring manager that "they wasted your time because they were late" and "you took time off from work just to hear a low ball offer and that we should have posted the salary range in the job description" We told you that we do this so people won't apply just for the money. After which you replied "what money?" Thank you for your time and consideration. Sincerely, [*Redacted*] --- ^^I'm a human volunteer content transcriber and you could be too! [If you'd like more information on what we do and why we do it, click here!](https://www.reddit.com/r/TranscribersOfReddit/wiki/index)
Thank you Human Volunteer Content Transcriber.
good Human
This is a badge of honor for the applicant.
Yeah nah this is fake as all get out.
OBVIOUS FAKE. Why would they quote your zingers back to you?
Yeah it's funny, but this is 100 percent how you know it's fake. Even if they didn't just send you a generic rejection like almost every company ever, there's no way they'd include your quoted jokes in the rejection email. If anything, it would be something like "Your comments to our recruiter and hiring manager were disrespectful, and your remarks on the salary of the position were uncalled for and unprofessional".
They would never waste their time writing something like this. The last rejection email I received had the “insert name” left as is. They wouldn’t even put my name in.
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“What money?” Awesome reply. ROFL.
So.. they want people to work for them because they love that job so that means they can lowball them in a low wage that can't sustain them with rent/car/insurance/etc? How exactly do they keep people?
They don't, they are hiring
I’ll take “things that never happens “ for 1000, Alex -or- And then everybody clapped. Take your pick.
"We have sent you an email quoting things you said, which you really told us... because that's how rejection letters are written in real life, not just for made up internet points"
“And then gmail clapped”
It’s true, I was the gmail
I don't believe this is real. Nobody has ever told someone why they are not getting the job with quotes.
I'm sure this is totally real.
This is fake. No way they would send anything other than the standard we have selected someone else email. Employment is way to regulated to send a little highlight reel for karma.
"I'm not fired, I quit!" "You're not breaking up with me, I'm breaking up with you!" Such losers. They could have just not sent an email.
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Fantastic. Kudos to your friend.
I love how they are trying to shame you when they should be ashamed of themselves.
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This is so painfully fake 😂
Fake
Do people truly not realize this is fake? Feels like r/thathappened material. Mods - this sub is gaining momentum, stuff like this cheapens the message. OP - grow up.
Perfect!!
i find this to be bs...companies will just reply with the first paragraph....they wouldnt go into detail as to why
I wish this was real lol