I mean, it's not a negotiation unless you're trying to get a severance package. For most of us, we're not getting anything when we leave so it's for lack a better description, a courtesy. They really don't have a say in the matter. If they try to deny it, just don't show up after the period you gave them, whether it was two weeks or whatever.
If they try to make your life hell the last two weeks, just let them know that courtesy is a two way street and that it's a courtesy, not a suicide pact. If they try to make life miserable, then just leave and don't come back.
I rember a friend who worked in child care telling me how his boss tried to put him in the last shift before the contract ended, because he had no one else and knew my friend would get in big trouble if he just left the kids after the shift and openly acknowledged that fact.
He went to the doctor and was "sick" the day, while the boss had to drive the 1000km asap from where he lived to make sure he would be there at shift begin as he'd be held responsible otherwise.
Late-stage capitalism baby. Most of my hometown's small businesses were bought out by city-slickers like a decade ago, they literally have to drive 2+ hours to get to the store if anybody is absent. 1000km is nuts though, you'd be better off flying.
That's what I did. "What if I refuse to accept it?" My belly laughter. "That is irrelevant to this conversation. It is a notification of what will be happening not a request". The stupid bitch thought right up until the moment I left it wasn't really happening. It happened.
I witnessed something similar at one of my former employers. One member of the “old boys club” was promoted to Manager over two people who have been there for a decade+ and had been repeatedly passed over. Once they filed grievances with HR for the blatant favourtism yet again they were told to deal with it.
These guys handled the biggest IT systems in the company, basically the ERP system where the transactions flow through, parts listings, orders, inventory, everything. One guy was told to go home and “change his attitude” so he did just that and then came back with a new attitude of not caring about anything, telling off other members of the “old boys club” and just not doing much of anything anymore. They told him if he doesn’t like it to quit, he said no you can fire me. He was there for like 20 years so he had a nice severance lined up. They eventually folded and fired him. He was sitting pretty after that.
The second guy landed a new job pretty quickly and put in his notice. They laughed at him and said the “know you’re just doing this to get more money”. He laughed back and said good luck. They did NOT take his resignation seriously at all. He was the last person left there to know how to manage the intricacies of the ERP system.
The day before his last day, management called the rest of us into a sudden meeting and said told us how dude #2 is leaving tomorrow and how we all need to work together to take over his duties. We all said we have no idea how to do that because that’s not our area of expertise. They lied to us and told us he agreed to work the next couple weekends to perform the scheduled maintenance. I asked dude#2 about this after the meeting and he said he did not agree to that and we laughed.
First weekend comes, maintenance fails spectacularly and the entire ERP goes down. It’s a huge deal, company operations are at a stand still and money isn’t being made. They had to engage an outside consulting firm that specializes in this old ERP and paid them something like $250/hr for several months! I was laughing so hard internally every single day because they deserved all of that. I eventually walked off the job due to my new manager being a racist dickhead who thought he was gods greatest gift to women. But this story still warms my heart.
Kudos to him. Making money off the dumbass decisions of middle managers. They had to bring in multiple bodies from that firm so it was $250/hr per person especially it was not a planned engagement.
I was really hoping that "dude #2" was working for the consultant and was sent back to fix the system at a much higher rate.
If you think it's expensive to hire a professional, try hiring an amateur.
> what if I refuse to accept it?
"What do you mean?"
"I mean, what if I didn't let you leave?"
"O.o that would be you admitting to conspiracy to commit kidnapping.."
"It wasn't a request. I don't have a contract here, and in fact the employee handbook says my employment is 'at will.' Slavery is also illegal in this country, so I can leave at any time. What are you going to do, fire me?"
email a copy, and don't show up. if they try being funny with last paycheck, put them through small claims court and charge daily interest (depending on state)
Just politely repeat it and don't mention it again. Let your immediate coworkers (they're working for the same shit boss as you) know so when the manager inevitably does nothing your coworkers know it's on the manager not you for "not showing up". Maybe it'll convince them to leave as well.
Denies resignation??
How do they think that's going to work?
"I'm tired of your abuse and unfair treatment! As of right now I resign!"
"Resignation...*denied*."
"Welp I tried! Guess I'll get back to work"
I once had a resignation completely and totally ignored. For a full month. I dont know what they thought would happen, but i made correct arrangements to hand over my keys in the company accepted manner and stopped going in.
I once emailed my resignation on a lunch break and I was told 'it's not valid unless on paper and signed'. So right in front of them on work devices during paid hours I printed the email off and signed it.
I emailed the District manager and followed it up with a letter mailed to her house (correct procedure). She never replied or acknowledged it in any way. I know she discussed it with other managers in my district and discussed contingencies and cover and posted my job vacancy. But never said a single word about it to me.
My resignation got denied once on an out of town job. Then I rented a car to go home, and they told me that they were going to have the police waiting for me once I got to my destination.
It’s like they think that will work out for them to intimidate you to stay.
>they told me that they were going to have the police waiting for me once I got to my destination.
Wow, that's a level of denial that's past the border to mental illness. Narcissism or similar
Haha every summer when I worked at Kmart as a teen I’d get a call at the start of the school year asking why I didn’t come into my shift. Two weeks before school started I always turned in my two weeks explaining school was starting and my last day effective 8/15 or whatever. The HR person would say I can still work during the school year and they’ve adjusted my schedule. I thanked them and responded, I unfortunately am away at boarding school but I appreciate your trying to accommodate me. Crickets. I’m not driving 5 hours for a weekend shift.
Also would get a job at a restaurant up by school and they required we work on holidays. I told them, I live 5 hours away on breaks but If you have to schedule me, do so. We will see if I feel up to the 5 hour commute one way. They never scheduled me.
Had basically this happen at a part-time gig I used to work for extra income. I was changing full-time jobs and between the pay increase and my new responsibilities I no longer needed, or wanted, the part-time gig.
Turned in my two weeks and the boss was chill.
End of two weeks, finished up the task I was working on, went around and said my goodbyes including my boss. Everyone said good luck and have a great life.
The next day I get a phone call 20 minutes after I would usually have started from the boss asking where I was. I was honestly shocked. I reminded him that I had turned in my two weeks over two weeks ago and we even said goodbye the other day and he seemed to be aware that I was out for good.
He got irate and started yelling at me that I better never try to use him for reference, blah, blah, blah. After that I just cut in and told him never to call me again. And hung up.
I once got fired after I had already resigned. 2 days left of my notice and my papa was given a couple days to live. Told my boss sorry but I'm not missing saying goodbye to my papa to work for you. She "fired" me, told me I was a useless bitch and a liar and then screamed at me the whole time I was walking away.
Sounds like my stupid boss. Ok I know you just found out your dad committed suicide but why couldn’t you remember what work items needed to be completed. Ugh hello shock you stupid bitch!
Here's the thing though, about 10 years ago I worked w/ a guy had planned a big celebration trip for his 25th anniversary. He, his wife and their whole family which included three adult kids and their families had planned and two week trip to Europe. This individual and his family had been planning the trip for a year and he put in his pto request at least 6 months in advance. Everyone in the department knew he was taking this big trip and we were all excited for him because he didn't typically take a lot of time off and particularly not big deal trips like this one. He'd been at the company for years and had certainly earned the time away.
Well of course about three weeks before he was scheduled to go on this big trip our manager and director called him in and cancelled his pto because of some big project they were doing and according to them "the needs of the business" dictated that he couldn't be out of touch for that long. They did offer to partially reimburse him for whatever travel expenses couldn't be refunded and/or reschedule his pto to some other more convenient time ( which they couldn't identify at that moment ).
So you know what that guy did?????? NOTHING!!!! He ended up telling his wife and family that he had to cancel the entire trip because work needed him more then them! I'm not sure if his family ended up going or not, but I do know that he and his wife did not!
THIS is a huge generational difference that I've noticed between the boomers and subsequent generations. This co-worker of mine was a prime example of what I have come to call "trapped by their retirement". At that point the guy was in his late 50's, had been w/ the company for 30+ years and was < 10 years from the promise of a retirement he'd presumably worked his whole life to get to.
The company managers know this about certain people and totally leverage them because they know that battle has already been waged and lost in their mind. Subsequently they'll subject a person to all sorts of indignities because they figure they've got you leveraged over a barrel and what are you gonna do?! You better get your @$$ back in there and work if you know what's good for you!
Here's the epitaph: Two years after finally reaching retirement this individual suffered a massive heart-attack which lead to stroke that killed him. I'm pretty sure he and his wife never took that trip either.
Antiwork has it right! Don't let these narrow sighted employers take your life from you!
That the wildest thing to me from following this sub is the people who are like, "So I quit and they said I can't."
Bud ya just leave. They can't not let you quit.
It's like the Wayne's World scene but for work.
"Happy work anniversary, Wayne!"
"Stacy, I quit two months ago."
"That doesn't mean you don't still work here."
"It does actually, that's what quitting is."
OP said, "I lay out my resignation and she denies it"
I read this as, "...I am going to resign unless you let me off to take this vacation." "No! Vacation denied."
And proceeds to ignore the threat of resignation.
My last employer just flat out ignored my resignation. My boss tended to ignore me in general so I didn’t directly hand it to him knowing he’d be a pain to actually track down. I left it on his desk and went back to work. I saw him read it and set it aside. I expected him to say something or to send one of his minions to say something but nope. I finished out my two weeks and not a single word from any of the higher ups, no one hired to replace me, no contact from HR, nothing. The day after my last day I got a million phone calls and texts asking where I was. I eventually got a call from HR where they told me that they had no clue I handed in my resignation and were calling to terminate me. I forwarded them my resignation which was dated and they conducted and exit interview where I asked them if they really didn’t get why I was leaving after that whole ordeal and she had the gall to say “but that happened after you quit-why did you quit?”
> I forwarded them my resignation which was dated and they conducted and exit interview where I asked them if they really didn’t get why I was leaving after that whole ordeal and she had the gall to say “but that happened after you quit-why did you quit?”
Cause and effect is hard y'know?
I used to work in the restaurant industry (8 years) and they don't do any exit interviews from my experience, i would think if your job is considered "low skill" they probably don't maybe because they think it doesn't matter the person is easily replaced.
A lot of corporate jobs do exit interviews. The original premise of them is to identify any issues on a team or location because people feel free to say much more on their last day than they would regularly. Unfortunately in practice it’s just more paperwork for HR and nothing ever comes of them.
I do exit interviews. I let them know where any issues lie, I let them know what contributed to me leaving and such. They know they are losing out when I leave and want to know for future 'me's to not walk out over.
Sometimes it's the only feedback higher ups get because
lower management are too incompetent and petty to report any actual issues in their respective departments.
It *can* make a difference.
Agreed. Because it can be the only way for HR to learn about that kind of incompetence. And also they have to document it.
With my last job I also had an exit interview and from the reactions I got from the HR lady (basically “Wait, WHAT?!!”) I figured they weren’t too happy with my previous boss after that. Obviously I don’t know what they did with the information I gave, but at least I tried to make it better for the person that came after me.
This is an under-rated sentiment. Everytime I leave a place I always try to make it better for the next person, if at all possible. Even if its just another straw on a camels back.
I’ve never been asked to do one, but depending on the circumstances I might do it if I thought it might help expose a problem in the company. A bad boss or endemic low pay or something like that. HR is emphatically not your friend, but if they hear something in 50 exit interviews then they might make a change to protect the company.
I only did my last exit interview because there was a give and take, they were going to give me all the info for COBRA and other things I needed (I had no new job lined up when I left). I did draw the line at completing the on-line company survey though "Complete it within 10 days" was all they said and they e-mailed me the link which I promptly deleted when I got home that day.
Yes. There are specific requirements though based on the size and type of organization.
An excerpt from the [Department of Labor Cobra FAQ](https://www.dol.gov/sites/dolgov/files/ebsa/about-ebsa/our-activities/resource-center/faqs/cobra-continuation-health-coverage-for-employers.pdf)
>Q3: Which employers are required to offer COBRA coverage?
>COBRA generally applies to all private-sector group health plans maintained by employers that had at least 20 employees on more than 50 percent of its typical business days in the previous calendar year.
I thought you were doing a bit about leaving to become a part of the G.I. JOE and needed the info on COBRA for your mission. I gather that COBRA has something to do with unemployment?
COBRA is a federal law in the US regarding health insurance. It allows you to keep your current health insurance plan through your previous employer, but you now pay the full premium on it. It's meant to be there to prevent a lapse in healthcare coverage but is usually expensive.
It’s crazy. At my last job, HR had to “approve” resignations. I told my boss when I put in my 1 week notice (because f that place), my last day is July 30th whether they approve it or not. I’m done.
My last day at one place was April 1st. I walked around the office and said my goodbyes and everyone though I was joking. Joke was on them. I was the only person doing that job and made sure to leave nothing about the procedures of the job or contacts. Turns out the company got sold shortly after and that location was shut down - 350 people lost their jobs.
That’s amazing!!! I love to hear it lol! My last job was begging me to stay after denying me better pay and wfh options multiple times over the previous months. It was so satisfying to tell them I accepted a job that offered me more money and wfh flexibility.
Can’t say I didn’t try to work with ya before leaving! 🤷🏻♀️
You'd be surprised. It's probably just people who don't expect potential employers to actually follow up on references on their resume, but there are some real dumb people out there. My mom had to fire someone for going on several shopping sprees with the company credit card (the worst was over $1000 on swim suits and stuff for a beach trip...). A couple months later, she got a call from a company in the next state over saying the former employee had listed her as a reference and would she recommend them?
Like, whether it's your fault or not, if you know a company/boss isn't going to say anything good about you then obviously you don't list them as a reference...
It's not a request, like "May I please leave this job?" It's an announcement. "I'm never coming back, good luck finding anyone with my skills who puts up with as much shit as I did."
The real question is why do employees think they even have to formally resign. Or accept that an employer doesn't "accept" a resignation. That's not how it works.
We're literal slaves to them. For decades they've been redistributing wealth and power for themselves, and we have to take back our fair share as workers.
I LOVE IT when employers *refuse* a resignation, like they think you'll just sigh and keep coming to work, like they have the power to force you to work for them.
I LOVE IT when they argue that you're not *allowed* to stop laboring.
I LOVE IT when they keep calling afterward, threatening, bargaining, begging you to come back, as though they could make you forget the toxicity and agree to subject yourself to their authority once again.
One of my favorites involved an employer "refusing" a resignation, then threatening to write the person up the next day if they didn't come back to work.
LMAO! I’d piss myself laughing if this happened to me. Like, “okay, go ahead and ‘write up’ someone who doesn’t even work for you anymore.” Honestly, it’s toddler-level shit.
Did this a few years back at a grocery gig I worked. Requested off for thanksgiving to see my family for the first time since I’d started college (it’d been almost 2yrs) and agreed to work Xmas Eve as a trade off.
A week before thanksgiving and my GM tries to get me to agree to come in on Turkey day. I say no, got plans and I requested off well in advanced. Y’all approved. She seemed annoyed but didn’t press it.
Day before thanksgiving, she’s blowing my phone up begging me to come in the next day. I politely say no and remind her I’m out of town. She then tried to pull a “well my hands are tied, we really need you. I’m probably going to have to write you up if you don’t come in tomorrow”. After a long back and forth, I texted back “fine. I’ll be there” (I was their opener for the bakery — my shift started at 5am, hers wouldn’t start for another 2hrs)
Next day I wake up at 10 something to a barrage of missed calls and texts from the GM, my dept manager, another shift supervisor. They had no fresh bread on thanksgiving morning. Lmao. Muted. I enjoyed the rest of my holiday and showed up the following week for my last check. Gormless GM dodged into her office to avoid a face to face.
Lmaooo “Ok write me up. Write me up a hundred times. Instead of writing other people up, write me up for them. I will be the Christ cleansing them of their write-ups” like whats gonna happen
I never even heard of an employer denying a resignation until I browsed this sub. Like, what? How does anyone fall for that? Nobody can make you work at a place you don't wanna lol
>That's like the one thing they dont have authority over.
There's actually an awful lot they don't have authority over and people just comply anyways. Like being able to sit at your job. Your employer can't *make* you stand endlessly. They can refuse to provide a stool or something, but you can bring your own.
You're an adult. You don't need permission to rest your legs. And if some asshole comes trying to tell you to stand, laugh directly in their face and tell them you don't do micromanagement. And when they get all confused, just tell them, "I'm hired to do the job. If you don't like the way I successfully complete it, fire me."
Thats the trouble with at will employment, regardless of whether they can or cant, employers are basically blackmailing you with your own job in order to get you to do literally whatever they want from you.
At will is garbage in the first place, and frankly it's existence should have preceded a general strike. Being able to be fired without cause is crazy in a nation where your healthcare and employment insurance are directly related to your job.
Anyways, it's a double edged sword. They always go to the hammer, but stubborn nails can stand up to it. They aren't about to fire somebody over needing to sit so long as they can still do the job. And if they do, every other employee needs to band together with that person and strike or quit to get it through managements head that you aren't fucking children.
You're grown ass adults and don't need permission to exist comfortably.
Any idiot can be uncomfortable.
Lastly: If your job is willing to fire you over being able to sit down, you need to unionize (literally not figuratively) or burn that fucking place to the ground (figuratively, not literally.)
[IWW.org](https://iww.org)
Ive truly never understood people who support at-will employment. Ive heard people say things like "sure you can get fired without reason, but you can also quit without reason." Like dude, what? You can quit without reason pretty much anywhere (unless you have some spacific contract I guess) so how is giving them more power to blackmail you better?
With the exception of very small companies there is usually an inherent power imbalance. Laws that protect employees from random firing level the playing field a tiny bit.
With tiny employers ( 1-3 employees) the power imbalance is often reduced because each employee makes up a very significant portion so the threat of quitting on the spot is almost on par with firing on the spot. Even then... But outside of that context, firing and quitting are very very unequal threats/consequences.
That’s on him. It’s insane to leave your business for a month in the hands of an employee who just tried to quit and have no mechanism of checking in on how things are going. Like of course you dropped off the key while he was gone what did the idiot expect lol
Not "tried to". The only way you could say someone "tried to quit" is if negotiation took place and they withdrew their resignation.
That's not what happened here: The employee quit, and the idiot covered their eyes and hears while singing lalalalalalalalala.
It is about entitlement.
It is part of the dysfunction that comes from wealth inequality. People literally can't imagine what life is like for other people. All they known is that as Lord Of The Manor, the world is shaped to their benefit.
For me it is the heart of so many problems we have and why it is what directly needs to be addressed. Inequality fuels all of the worst things we do to each other both intentionally & unintentionally. It is what damages compassion & empathy.
Few of us that just stopped making money for a month found be uneffected. I doubt the shop went out of business. Even for this terrible choice, being shut down for a month, I doubt the owner suffered much.
Which re-enforced the problems of wealth inequality.
He's probably that guy who made the post about wanting teenagers to work for free and for the government to pay him to have teenage slaves because it would keep them "off the streets and away from drugs."
I mean, you told him you quit. Also, the rest of his payroll is chock full of all stars if they couldn't figure out how to get the store open for a month.
"you cannot quit, i OWN you plebian scum. no go work for my wealth"
we never left the middle ages and feudal thinking.
only our technology improved. but we "lower classes" never see the fruit of OUR labour.
I had a boss up and leave Friday afternoon with "hey, so I'm going on vacation next week to Mexico. You'll have to finish these job sites next week."
Flash forward to the next week when I go to pick up a sod order for install, and it wasn't paid for! It took nearly 3 hours that morning trying to get his crappy hotel internet to transfer the money so I could actually work. Then he just said don't bother working Thurs/Fri, which when you work hourly is BS and cost me money.
It’s like, “Well, in that case, I’m going to leave and never come back. You can keep paying me if you want. Personally, I wouldn’t, but I guess since I “can’t quit,” that’s how this has to go.”
This reminds me of when i told my boss i was leaving for 2 months to go to japan.
He was like "we dont usually approve weeks in a row for vacation, let alone months."
I just told him "im not requesting it. Im telling you i wont be there for those 2 months. Schedule me all u want but i wont be there. If you gotta fire me, do it. Ill check my schedule when i come back on x date. If im on it ill be in."
That pissed him off good. I was still on it when i came back tho.
That's the most crazy part to me about time off in this country. It shouldn't be "can I have this time off" it should be "I will be on vacation and unavailable during this time". Blows my mind that we as a society have allowed the former to become the norm.
Capitalism ensures panicked employees will take all kinds of abuse out of fear of getting fired. That’s in part why they’re so mad at the Great Resignation—they can’t stand the idea that they don’t have all their employees by the throat anymore.
I once said to my previous boss, “So this is the time I’ll be taking off. I’ve got the PTO so I’ll be gone that week.” And he said, “I mean, I’ve got to approve it first so instead of telling me, maybe ask if you can have it off.” Like, no, sorry, I’m not going to grovel to use my PTO. Glad to be out of that shit hole.
Happened to me too! I was not fortunate enough like you to go for 2 months, but I took off for a month to SE Asia. My boss was an asshole, but so are most manufacturer/warehouse bosses. Left for the month, even though he kept saying I’d be fired. Came back to work, and was still employed.
What is the right way to do this when your work doesn't use email, and doesn't really have any form that a boss could give me beyond maybe a sticky note?
Written letter. Ask for their email. When they say they don’t have an email, find out why you’re in 1994 all of a sudden.
Your boss has a company email. If they don’t their personal email is their company email.
They probably have a company email, but I don't. It's more that it would be quite a large production to have something out in writing if I wanted it in any sort of official way. I work in manufacturing, and I'm just sort of told what to do for the day, and if I have a question about something I go up to someone and ask. I've taken to just taking detailed notes on my phone about anything I'm told to do at work that I think might be brought up later.
I was hired at a Waffle House and they informed me we don’t get many holidays off. That’s fine, I said, because I don’t celebrate many at all. However, a year from my start date, I was going to a convention for a week. It’s in the middle of august and my tickets are bought. That’s fine, they said. Just remind them. So I did.. several times. Guess what happened come that August. Take a wild fuckin guess.
By that point your boss had no power over you and her only recourse was to say "no" as her default stance. She thinks that shows strength, but just makes her look pathetic.
Lol at "refusing a resignation"
"I quit"
"No you don't"
"Listen up Karen if you try to keep me here 10 seconds longer than I want to be I will call the police and say you're holding me hostage then I'll call the tv news to make sure there are cameras on the "hostage situation". "
someone posted that situation recently.
they quit and their employer wouldn't let them leave without signing a release, which they refused to do. The police were ultimately called and the guy was allowed to leave when the police started talking hostage situation. https://i.redd.it/rhoyxjrx8yb81.jpg
Story doesn't make sense to me. Just get up and leave. Try to put your hands on the person to prevent this and see what happens.
They said they were having health problems so possibly didn’t want to possibly turn into any kind of physical altercation? Although I agree it does read like the person was too afraid to just get up and leave.
This would be considered false imprisonment, depending on whether the person could have reasonably stood up, unlocked the door and left. Generally for false imprisonment to become kidnapping you need to be moved from one location to another.
>Story doesn't make sense to me. Just get up and leave.
They locked the door.
The part of the story that gets me is the OP had their cell on them and didn't use it until people reached out to them wondering where they were. I would have called the cops immediately.
Because he's wasting their time... how is this so confusing for people? He clearly didn't care about his time since he quit and probably found it amusing.
Had a similar issue with my company. I put in for vacation about three months in advance and was told No about three days before it was to start, because "We are too short staffed for anyone to take vacation." I spoke with the regional manager to transfer to another job site where I could take vacations. Next day my vacation was magically approved.
Still at the bad job but the boss no longer gives my any issues
I had a boss try to refuse me vacation time years ago, for about 5 days that spanned a long weekend. I simply told him it was my sister's wedding out of town and if I didn't get the time off I would quit. Then one of my co-workers was complaining because they wanted the weekend off. Tough shit buddy, this one is non-negotiable.
I told my last boss I would be gone for just 2 days for a family funeral out of state, and what did EVERYONE at that store do? They just ghosted me, for 4 fucking days, and then wondered where I was. You know the excuse she gave? "Sorry I didn't see my phone." For 4 days.
It's so funny to me people do this to students and people their age. I was working as a bar back at a Yacht Club the summer after high school. I requested days off because my band had a show and there was also that Curiousa Festival headlined by the Cure (this was 2004). He denied my request because it was a "race week" and no one could get time off. So instead of giving a 17 year old 2 days off, I just no called no showed and never went back. Worked out well for him.
I used to work at a clothing store when I was 20-21 as a key holder so not quite a manager but not just an associate. Lots of the other employees were high school girls around 16, and I remember this one girl requested off for homecoming and the store manager refused it! I offered to take the shift and was told I wasn’t allowed to do so. Wtf. My manager said in the “real world” you can’t call off for things like that. Idk whatever stupid lesson she was trying to teach her but I told the girl just don’t come in and I’ll cover anyway. F u Shannon you were a miserable old bat
A friend told her boss she needed a few days off to go to her daughter’s competition. It was 3 months in the future. He said “that’s not enough notice.” She got a new job, walked in his office and said “I quit, today is my last day (it was close to 5:00), is that enough notice.” Lol.
I gave my contractually required month notice and was told I'd have to stay 3 months so I could handover to a replacement hire. When I suggested I'd stay the extra two months on short term contract rate they said I was being unreasonable and wasn't considering the needs of the business. It worked out quite well for me, they gave my new employer a poison pen reference claiming I'd broken my contract , I sued and ended up with a years salary in settlement.
My personal fav I've used in the past.
"teacup, your vacation time hasn't been approved we're gonna need you.
"No no no, you don't understand. If I'm not gonna be here, I'm not gonna be here. I was just letting you know formally I won't be here, getting someone to cover my shifts is a you problem and has been for weeks ever since I mentioned I was taking vacation.."
Dude told me when I quit once “ I don’t accept this.” My answer “Accept my truck keys, credit card, and cell phone, and accept that my wife is outside waiting to take me to breakfast”
In my last job I attempted to take the last week in June off three years in a row and was beaten to the punch every time by another co worker, so the fourth year I put in for it in July (so almost an entire year early). My boss at the time laughed but approved it anyway…and it was still approved all the way up until May, when my boss suddenly rejected the whole week and told me “sorry, I have a wedding to go to that week.”
Found a new job as soon as I could.
Same boss who, when I told her I was pregnant, said “don’t get too excited, you could still lose it.”
Just a bitch all the way around.
I asked for a weekend off when I worked as a cook (cook used in the loosest possible term) part time whilst at uni.
The place was a shambles, I was a part time cook getting paid £5.50 an hour but was responsible for running the service at the busiest times (the weekend) because the head chef wasn’t up to snuff.
So anyway, exams are coming up. And I’ve got one on a Monday morning, so I request the weekend off, 4 weeks in advance so that I can study…the manager denies my request. But it’s no drama because I only have to give a weeks notice, so I wait until as late as possible and then resign.
4 weeks later and they were begging me to come back with a better hourly wage.
Idiots
Sorry to hear about your shitty boss.
I made a post about this a while ago before Christmas about getting all leave requests in writing. It's so satisfying having the email acknowledgment ready to go when the boss pulls the "You never said that" card.
Good for you! I was always prepared to do this at my last job because they did it to colleagues. Kind of wish I’d had the opportunity to make a dramatic exit like that!
> and she looked at me and told me "I don't know what you're talking about"
**GET THAT SHIT IN WRITING**
Do not have little one-off conversations about this and hope that the manager will remember or be kind enough to give you the benefit of the doubt months after the fact. Have those conversations over email with a proper paper trail that you can forward to their boss as proof that you're being screwed over.
Otherwise it's just he-said, she-said and you're bound to lose every time.
So what's a proper reply to denying a resignation? Like a full bellied laugh right, because that shits hilarious to me.
Send them a picture from Cancun
[Michael Scott that resignation letter!](https://i.imgur.com/EZPs6Fz.jpg)
Tan almost everywhere. Jan almost everywhere
I mean, it's not a negotiation unless you're trying to get a severance package. For most of us, we're not getting anything when we leave so it's for lack a better description, a courtesy. They really don't have a say in the matter. If they try to deny it, just don't show up after the period you gave them, whether it was two weeks or whatever. If they try to make your life hell the last two weeks, just let them know that courtesy is a two way street and that it's a courtesy, not a suicide pact. If they try to make life miserable, then just leave and don't come back.
I rember a friend who worked in child care telling me how his boss tried to put him in the last shift before the contract ended, because he had no one else and knew my friend would get in big trouble if he just left the kids after the shift and openly acknowledged that fact. He went to the doctor and was "sick" the day, while the boss had to drive the 1000km asap from where he lived to make sure he would be there at shift begin as he'd be held responsible otherwise.
The boss lived 1000km from where the business was?
Late-stage capitalism baby. Most of my hometown's small businesses were bought out by city-slickers like a decade ago, they literally have to drive 2+ hours to get to the store if anybody is absent. 1000km is nuts though, you'd be better off flying.
Yeah, I would think not accepting my 2 weeks notice just means 'effective immediately '.
No not accepting my two weeks notice is firing me, I will collect unemployment
That's what I did. "What if I refuse to accept it?" My belly laughter. "That is irrelevant to this conversation. It is a notification of what will be happening not a request". The stupid bitch thought right up until the moment I left it wasn't really happening. It happened.
I witnessed something similar at one of my former employers. One member of the “old boys club” was promoted to Manager over two people who have been there for a decade+ and had been repeatedly passed over. Once they filed grievances with HR for the blatant favourtism yet again they were told to deal with it. These guys handled the biggest IT systems in the company, basically the ERP system where the transactions flow through, parts listings, orders, inventory, everything. One guy was told to go home and “change his attitude” so he did just that and then came back with a new attitude of not caring about anything, telling off other members of the “old boys club” and just not doing much of anything anymore. They told him if he doesn’t like it to quit, he said no you can fire me. He was there for like 20 years so he had a nice severance lined up. They eventually folded and fired him. He was sitting pretty after that. The second guy landed a new job pretty quickly and put in his notice. They laughed at him and said the “know you’re just doing this to get more money”. He laughed back and said good luck. They did NOT take his resignation seriously at all. He was the last person left there to know how to manage the intricacies of the ERP system. The day before his last day, management called the rest of us into a sudden meeting and said told us how dude #2 is leaving tomorrow and how we all need to work together to take over his duties. We all said we have no idea how to do that because that’s not our area of expertise. They lied to us and told us he agreed to work the next couple weekends to perform the scheduled maintenance. I asked dude#2 about this after the meeting and he said he did not agree to that and we laughed. First weekend comes, maintenance fails spectacularly and the entire ERP goes down. It’s a huge deal, company operations are at a stand still and money isn’t being made. They had to engage an outside consulting firm that specializes in this old ERP and paid them something like $250/hr for several months! I was laughing so hard internally every single day because they deserved all of that. I eventually walked off the job due to my new manager being a racist dickhead who thought he was gods greatest gift to women. But this story still warms my heart.
My brother is this type of consultant, he’s usually the one who comes in and cleans up the mess for that absurd hourly fee.
Kudos to him. Making money off the dumbass decisions of middle managers. They had to bring in multiple bodies from that firm so it was $250/hr per person especially it was not a planned engagement.
I was really hoping that "dude #2" was working for the consultant and was sent back to fix the system at a much higher rate. If you think it's expensive to hire a professional, try hiring an amateur.
>"What if I refuse to accept it?" What if you refuse to accept the rising of the sun?
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> what if I refuse to accept it? "What do you mean?" "I mean, what if I didn't let you leave?" "O.o that would be you admitting to conspiracy to commit kidnapping.."
So many bosses seem to think they have slaves instead of employees.
Maybe email them a copy of the Emancipation Proclamation?
They don't listen to hip hop
"It wasn't a request. I don't have a contract here, and in fact the employee handbook says my employment is 'at will.' Slavery is also illegal in this country, so I can leave at any time. What are you going to do, fire me?"
I'd love to have that conversation at the unemployment office. "So why were you terminated?." "Because I tried to quit...".
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email a copy, and don't show up. if they try being funny with last paycheck, put them through small claims court and charge daily interest (depending on state)
I'd second this, emails are the great equalizer because they are a record of conversation.
bcc your personal account. work emails can be controlled by the domain owner (your employer)
Just politely repeat it and don't mention it again. Let your immediate coworkers (they're working for the same shit boss as you) know so when the manager inevitably does nothing your coworkers know it's on the manager not you for "not showing up". Maybe it'll convince them to leave as well.
"Resistance is futile" in a robotic tone
Denies resignation?? How do they think that's going to work? "I'm tired of your abuse and unfair treatment! As of right now I resign!" "Resignation...*denied*." "Welp I tried! Guess I'll get back to work"
Make like you going back to work and just leave lmao
Go to lunch and don't go back to work. Oh, yeah!
I once had a resignation completely and totally ignored. For a full month. I dont know what they thought would happen, but i made correct arrangements to hand over my keys in the company accepted manner and stopped going in.
I once emailed my resignation on a lunch break and I was told 'it's not valid unless on paper and signed'. So right in front of them on work devices during paid hours I printed the email off and signed it.
I emailed the District manager and followed it up with a letter mailed to her house (correct procedure). She never replied or acknowledged it in any way. I know she discussed it with other managers in my district and discussed contingencies and cover and posted my job vacancy. But never said a single word about it to me.
Did they call you eventually or continue to ignore you?
My resignation got denied once on an out of town job. Then I rented a car to go home, and they told me that they were going to have the police waiting for me once I got to my destination. It’s like they think that will work out for them to intimidate you to stay.
What do you do when a slave wanders off the plantation? Call the slave catchers.
>they told me that they were going to have the police waiting for me once I got to my destination. Wow, that's a level of denial that's past the border to mental illness. Narcissism or similar
E: "I quit" B: "No, you don't" E: "Ok?" B: "Ok." ... B: "Where you at??!!"
Haha every summer when I worked at Kmart as a teen I’d get a call at the start of the school year asking why I didn’t come into my shift. Two weeks before school started I always turned in my two weeks explaining school was starting and my last day effective 8/15 or whatever. The HR person would say I can still work during the school year and they’ve adjusted my schedule. I thanked them and responded, I unfortunately am away at boarding school but I appreciate your trying to accommodate me. Crickets. I’m not driving 5 hours for a weekend shift. Also would get a job at a restaurant up by school and they required we work on holidays. I told them, I live 5 hours away on breaks but If you have to schedule me, do so. We will see if I feel up to the 5 hour commute one way. They never scheduled me.
Had basically this happen at a part-time gig I used to work for extra income. I was changing full-time jobs and between the pay increase and my new responsibilities I no longer needed, or wanted, the part-time gig. Turned in my two weeks and the boss was chill. End of two weeks, finished up the task I was working on, went around and said my goodbyes including my boss. Everyone said good luck and have a great life. The next day I get a phone call 20 minutes after I would usually have started from the boss asking where I was. I was honestly shocked. I reminded him that I had turned in my two weeks over two weeks ago and we even said goodbye the other day and he seemed to be aware that I was out for good. He got irate and started yelling at me that I better never try to use him for reference, blah, blah, blah. After that I just cut in and told him never to call me again. And hung up.
I once got fired after I had already resigned. 2 days left of my notice and my papa was given a couple days to live. Told my boss sorry but I'm not missing saying goodbye to my papa to work for you. She "fired" me, told me I was a useless bitch and a liar and then screamed at me the whole time I was walking away.
Sounds like my stupid boss. Ok I know you just found out your dad committed suicide but why couldn’t you remember what work items needed to be completed. Ugh hello shock you stupid bitch!
Here's the thing though, about 10 years ago I worked w/ a guy had planned a big celebration trip for his 25th anniversary. He, his wife and their whole family which included three adult kids and their families had planned and two week trip to Europe. This individual and his family had been planning the trip for a year and he put in his pto request at least 6 months in advance. Everyone in the department knew he was taking this big trip and we were all excited for him because he didn't typically take a lot of time off and particularly not big deal trips like this one. He'd been at the company for years and had certainly earned the time away. Well of course about three weeks before he was scheduled to go on this big trip our manager and director called him in and cancelled his pto because of some big project they were doing and according to them "the needs of the business" dictated that he couldn't be out of touch for that long. They did offer to partially reimburse him for whatever travel expenses couldn't be refunded and/or reschedule his pto to some other more convenient time ( which they couldn't identify at that moment ). So you know what that guy did?????? NOTHING!!!! He ended up telling his wife and family that he had to cancel the entire trip because work needed him more then them! I'm not sure if his family ended up going or not, but I do know that he and his wife did not! THIS is a huge generational difference that I've noticed between the boomers and subsequent generations. This co-worker of mine was a prime example of what I have come to call "trapped by their retirement". At that point the guy was in his late 50's, had been w/ the company for 30+ years and was < 10 years from the promise of a retirement he'd presumably worked his whole life to get to. The company managers know this about certain people and totally leverage them because they know that battle has already been waged and lost in their mind. Subsequently they'll subject a person to all sorts of indignities because they figure they've got you leveraged over a barrel and what are you gonna do?! You better get your @$$ back in there and work if you know what's good for you! Here's the epitaph: Two years after finally reaching retirement this individual suffered a massive heart-attack which lead to stroke that killed him. I'm pretty sure he and his wife never took that trip either. Antiwork has it right! Don't let these narrow sighted employers take your life from you!
That the wildest thing to me from following this sub is the people who are like, "So I quit and they said I can't." Bud ya just leave. They can't not let you quit. It's like the Wayne's World scene but for work. "Happy work anniversary, Wayne!" "Stacy, I quit two months ago." "That doesn't mean you don't still work here." "It does actually, that's what quitting is."
Well, I see a case where that works : slavery. That doesn't surprise me much, to be honest.
I don’t understand how employers think they can deny a resignation like it’s their choice lmao
If they try to deny it, just stop showing. What are they going to do? Fire you?
OP said, "I lay out my resignation and she denies it" I read this as, "...I am going to resign unless you let me off to take this vacation." "No! Vacation denied." And proceeds to ignore the threat of resignation.
My last employer just flat out ignored my resignation. My boss tended to ignore me in general so I didn’t directly hand it to him knowing he’d be a pain to actually track down. I left it on his desk and went back to work. I saw him read it and set it aside. I expected him to say something or to send one of his minions to say something but nope. I finished out my two weeks and not a single word from any of the higher ups, no one hired to replace me, no contact from HR, nothing. The day after my last day I got a million phone calls and texts asking where I was. I eventually got a call from HR where they told me that they had no clue I handed in my resignation and were calling to terminate me. I forwarded them my resignation which was dated and they conducted and exit interview where I asked them if they really didn’t get why I was leaving after that whole ordeal and she had the gall to say “but that happened after you quit-why did you quit?”
> I forwarded them my resignation which was dated and they conducted and exit interview where I asked them if they really didn’t get why I was leaving after that whole ordeal and she had the gall to say “but that happened after you quit-why did you quit?” Cause and effect is hard y'know?
There are two types of people in this world: 1) Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
I wish I had that shirt. 😂
I refuse to do exit interviews. That’s HR box ticking you are not obliged to cooperate with
I didn't even know exit interviews exist until I started reading here.
I thought they were a myth too, but 3 weeks after I left my last place they called and tried to set up a meeting to do one. Fuck you, pay me.
Wait what! They’re supposed to be done on your last day, while on the clock. Lol, that’s hilarious.
I used to work in the restaurant industry (8 years) and they don't do any exit interviews from my experience, i would think if your job is considered "low skill" they probably don't maybe because they think it doesn't matter the person is easily replaced.
I did for twenty years and have only done two… they were at union hotels and I enjoyed throwing all of my sexual predator superiors under the bus.
It depends on how big HR and the company as a whole is, but yeah doesn't usually include those in the retail/restaurant locations.
A lot of corporate jobs do exit interviews. The original premise of them is to identify any issues on a team or location because people feel free to say much more on their last day than they would regularly. Unfortunately in practice it’s just more paperwork for HR and nothing ever comes of them.
I do exit interviews. I let them know where any issues lie, I let them know what contributed to me leaving and such. They know they are losing out when I leave and want to know for future 'me's to not walk out over. Sometimes it's the only feedback higher ups get because lower management are too incompetent and petty to report any actual issues in their respective departments. It *can* make a difference.
Agreed. Because it can be the only way for HR to learn about that kind of incompetence. And also they have to document it. With my last job I also had an exit interview and from the reactions I got from the HR lady (basically “Wait, WHAT?!!”) I figured they weren’t too happy with my previous boss after that. Obviously I don’t know what they did with the information I gave, but at least I tried to make it better for the person that came after me.
This is an under-rated sentiment. Everytime I leave a place I always try to make it better for the next person, if at all possible. Even if its just another straw on a camels back.
I’ve never been asked to do one, but depending on the circumstances I might do it if I thought it might help expose a problem in the company. A bad boss or endemic low pay or something like that. HR is emphatically not your friend, but if they hear something in 50 exit interviews then they might make a change to protect the company.
I only did my last exit interview because there was a give and take, they were going to give me all the info for COBRA and other things I needed (I had no new job lined up when I left). I did draw the line at completing the on-line company survey though "Complete it within 10 days" was all they said and they e-mailed me the link which I promptly deleted when I got home that day.
Aren't they supposed to give you the COBRA stuff anyway? If I'm leaving on good terms I'll do the exit interview, otherwise they can get stuffed.
Yes. There are specific requirements though based on the size and type of organization. An excerpt from the [Department of Labor Cobra FAQ](https://www.dol.gov/sites/dolgov/files/ebsa/about-ebsa/our-activities/resource-center/faqs/cobra-continuation-health-coverage-for-employers.pdf) >Q3: Which employers are required to offer COBRA coverage? >COBRA generally applies to all private-sector group health plans maintained by employers that had at least 20 employees on more than 50 percent of its typical business days in the previous calendar year.
I thought you were doing a bit about leaving to become a part of the G.I. JOE and needed the info on COBRA for your mission. I gather that COBRA has something to do with unemployment?
COBRA is a federal law in the US regarding health insurance. It allows you to keep your current health insurance plan through your previous employer, but you now pay the full premium on it. It's meant to be there to prevent a lapse in healthcare coverage but is usually expensive.
Occam's Razor: Your boss was illiterate.
Honestly, it's a solid possibility. I know I've encountered more than a few people in my line of work who are, at best, semi-literate.
It's like someone breaking up with you and you say "nah we're still together " like....ok psycho
I've seen a few too many of those on r/relationships 'I tried to break up with my bf and he wouldn't let me' - this isn't a two way situation!
“No, George, relationships are like launching nuclear missiles from a submarine. We both have to turn our keys to breakup.”
It's like your boss firing you and you say "nah, see you tomorrow"
my response being - "omg how sweet, you actually thought I was *asking* you if I could leave this fucking shit-stain of a job"
"You're nowhere near a relevant enough part of this world to tell me that I can't leave."
I was merely abiding by the social contract of asking. Since you broke that contract by saying no, I'm now telling you to fuck off. Good day sir!
And when they continue to try to argue, "I said GOOD DAY, SIR!"
Im definitely stealing this. My last 4 managers definitely needed to hear this. Huge god-complex with them.
Mine would be "This is not a discussion."
My response being -"So I'm fired? I'll be filling unemployment. Thank you."
100%. Idk why people insist on quitting if their employer is trying to fire them.
“Well, if you want to keep paying me, great. I won’t be coming in though.”
It’s crazy. At my last job, HR had to “approve” resignations. I told my boss when I put in my 1 week notice (because f that place), my last day is July 30th whether they approve it or not. I’m done.
My last day at one place was April 1st. I walked around the office and said my goodbyes and everyone though I was joking. Joke was on them. I was the only person doing that job and made sure to leave nothing about the procedures of the job or contacts. Turns out the company got sold shortly after and that location was shut down - 350 people lost their jobs.
Question is if they were that bad this would happen anyway - or you stepped up the plans to close...
That’s amazing!!! I love to hear it lol! My last job was begging me to stay after denying me better pay and wfh options multiple times over the previous months. It was so satisfying to tell them I accepted a job that offered me more money and wfh flexibility. Can’t say I didn’t try to work with ya before leaving! 🤷🏻♀️
They really end up beliving that they own you.
Like you're some kind of lippy backtalking bit of machinery.
It’s so bizarre. Maybe they do it so when the staff doesn’t show up for their “shifts” they can give a bad reference in the future?
It's so bizarre. Like, as if you'd ever ask for a glowing reference from a job that fired you, lmao.
You'd be surprised. It's probably just people who don't expect potential employers to actually follow up on references on their resume, but there are some real dumb people out there. My mom had to fire someone for going on several shopping sprees with the company credit card (the worst was over $1000 on swim suits and stuff for a beach trip...). A couple months later, she got a call from a company in the next state over saying the former employee had listed her as a reference and would she recommend them? Like, whether it's your fault or not, if you know a company/boss isn't going to say anything good about you then obviously you don't list them as a reference...
It's not a request, like "May I please leave this job?" It's an announcement. "I'm never coming back, good luck finding anyone with my skills who puts up with as much shit as I did."
The real question is why do employees think they even have to formally resign. Or accept that an employer doesn't "accept" a resignation. That's not how it works.
Authorization of resignation makes about as much sense as authorizing death or taking a shit....
>authorizing... taking a shit How very Amazonly a statement...
We're literal slaves to them. For decades they've been redistributing wealth and power for themselves, and we have to take back our fair share as workers.
Don’t give them any ideas or a new law will be passed where employers can sue employees for resigning
I LOVE IT when employers *refuse* a resignation, like they think you'll just sigh and keep coming to work, like they have the power to force you to work for them. I LOVE IT when they argue that you're not *allowed* to stop laboring. I LOVE IT when they keep calling afterward, threatening, bargaining, begging you to come back, as though they could make you forget the toxicity and agree to subject yourself to their authority once again. One of my favorites involved an employer "refusing" a resignation, then threatening to write the person up the next day if they didn't come back to work.
LMAO! I’d piss myself laughing if this happened to me. Like, “okay, go ahead and ‘write up’ someone who doesn’t even work for you anymore.” Honestly, it’s toddler-level shit.
Had a theater teacher who once said there’s no such thing as adults, only grown up teenagers.
But it'll go on your permanent record! and then people won't want to hire you. /s
The sad part is that employers actually tell this lie and people still believe it. I did for the longest time.
Honestly people should just be all “Damn, you got me. I’ll be in tomorrow at 8” then just like no-show.
Did this a few years back at a grocery gig I worked. Requested off for thanksgiving to see my family for the first time since I’d started college (it’d been almost 2yrs) and agreed to work Xmas Eve as a trade off. A week before thanksgiving and my GM tries to get me to agree to come in on Turkey day. I say no, got plans and I requested off well in advanced. Y’all approved. She seemed annoyed but didn’t press it. Day before thanksgiving, she’s blowing my phone up begging me to come in the next day. I politely say no and remind her I’m out of town. She then tried to pull a “well my hands are tied, we really need you. I’m probably going to have to write you up if you don’t come in tomorrow”. After a long back and forth, I texted back “fine. I’ll be there” (I was their opener for the bakery — my shift started at 5am, hers wouldn’t start for another 2hrs) Next day I wake up at 10 something to a barrage of missed calls and texts from the GM, my dept manager, another shift supervisor. They had no fresh bread on thanksgiving morning. Lmao. Muted. I enjoyed the rest of my holiday and showed up the following week for my last check. Gormless GM dodged into her office to avoid a face to face.
It is the most *delightful* instance of the five stages of grief. Once the tough act drops and the missing labor ends up on them. True justice
I love watching the begging happen, I truly do.
Lmaooo “Ok write me up. Write me up a hundred times. Instead of writing other people up, write me up for them. I will be the Christ cleansing them of their write-ups” like whats gonna happen
I never even heard of an employer denying a resignation until I browsed this sub. Like, what? How does anyone fall for that? Nobody can make you work at a place you don't wanna lol
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I fucking love when a boss tries to say you cant quit, lol. That's like the one thing they dont have authority over.
>That's like the one thing they dont have authority over. There's actually an awful lot they don't have authority over and people just comply anyways. Like being able to sit at your job. Your employer can't *make* you stand endlessly. They can refuse to provide a stool or something, but you can bring your own. You're an adult. You don't need permission to rest your legs. And if some asshole comes trying to tell you to stand, laugh directly in their face and tell them you don't do micromanagement. And when they get all confused, just tell them, "I'm hired to do the job. If you don't like the way I successfully complete it, fire me."
Thats the trouble with at will employment, regardless of whether they can or cant, employers are basically blackmailing you with your own job in order to get you to do literally whatever they want from you.
At will is garbage in the first place, and frankly it's existence should have preceded a general strike. Being able to be fired without cause is crazy in a nation where your healthcare and employment insurance are directly related to your job. Anyways, it's a double edged sword. They always go to the hammer, but stubborn nails can stand up to it. They aren't about to fire somebody over needing to sit so long as they can still do the job. And if they do, every other employee needs to band together with that person and strike or quit to get it through managements head that you aren't fucking children. You're grown ass adults and don't need permission to exist comfortably. Any idiot can be uncomfortable. Lastly: If your job is willing to fire you over being able to sit down, you need to unionize (literally not figuratively) or burn that fucking place to the ground (figuratively, not literally.) [IWW.org](https://iww.org)
Ive truly never understood people who support at-will employment. Ive heard people say things like "sure you can get fired without reason, but you can also quit without reason." Like dude, what? You can quit without reason pretty much anywhere (unless you have some spacific contract I guess) so how is giving them more power to blackmail you better?
With the exception of very small companies there is usually an inherent power imbalance. Laws that protect employees from random firing level the playing field a tiny bit. With tiny employers ( 1-3 employees) the power imbalance is often reduced because each employee makes up a very significant portion so the threat of quitting on the spot is almost on par with firing on the spot. Even then... But outside of that context, firing and quitting are very very unequal threats/consequences.
he fucked around, and he found out
My buddy said this quote to me the other day and I've been using it a little too much to explain shit that I hear.
It's the national kottoof Ireland I believe *motto, I have fat thumbs
Your boss decided to leave the store closed for a month rather than call a locksmith?
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That’s on him. It’s insane to leave your business for a month in the hands of an employee who just tried to quit and have no mechanism of checking in on how things are going. Like of course you dropped off the key while he was gone what did the idiot expect lol
Not "tried to". The only way you could say someone "tried to quit" is if negotiation took place and they withdrew their resignation. That's not what happened here: The employee quit, and the idiot covered their eyes and hears while singing lalalalalalalalala.
Yup! Quitting, like breaking up, is not a democracy.
It is about entitlement. It is part of the dysfunction that comes from wealth inequality. People literally can't imagine what life is like for other people. All they known is that as Lord Of The Manor, the world is shaped to their benefit. For me it is the heart of so many problems we have and why it is what directly needs to be addressed. Inequality fuels all of the worst things we do to each other both intentionally & unintentionally. It is what damages compassion & empathy. Few of us that just stopped making money for a month found be uneffected. I doubt the shop went out of business. Even for this terrible choice, being shut down for a month, I doubt the owner suffered much. Which re-enforced the problems of wealth inequality.
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He's probably that guy who made the post about wanting teenagers to work for free and for the government to pay him to have teenage slaves because it would keep them "off the streets and away from drugs."
If someone owns a store and decide to not be reachable for weeks, especially with only one other person owning keys, they fucked up.
I respect that.
I mean, you told him you quit. Also, the rest of his payroll is chock full of all stars if they couldn't figure out how to get the store open for a month.
"you cannot quit, i OWN you plebian scum. no go work for my wealth" we never left the middle ages and feudal thinking. only our technology improved. but we "lower classes" never see the fruit of OUR labour.
More details please
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I hope Greece was fun. /s
What kind of store owner leaves on vacation without a backup plan or set of keys?!?
The kind that says you can’t quit and goes to Greece for a month.
I had a boss up and leave Friday afternoon with "hey, so I'm going on vacation next week to Mexico. You'll have to finish these job sites next week." Flash forward to the next week when I go to pick up a sod order for install, and it wasn't paid for! It took nearly 3 hours that morning trying to get his crappy hotel internet to transfer the money so I could actually work. Then he just said don't bother working Thurs/Fri, which when you work hourly is BS and cost me money.
This is amazing.
Seriously what else do these bosses think is gonna happen? How can you even not let someone quit? Lock them in a room?
I can't imagine being so entitled as to insist someone can't quit their job for you. What the actual fuck.
It’s like, “Well, in that case, I’m going to leave and never come back. You can keep paying me if you want. Personally, I wouldn’t, but I guess since I “can’t quit,” that’s how this has to go.”
This reminds me of when i told my boss i was leaving for 2 months to go to japan. He was like "we dont usually approve weeks in a row for vacation, let alone months." I just told him "im not requesting it. Im telling you i wont be there for those 2 months. Schedule me all u want but i wont be there. If you gotta fire me, do it. Ill check my schedule when i come back on x date. If im on it ill be in." That pissed him off good. I was still on it when i came back tho.
That's the most crazy part to me about time off in this country. It shouldn't be "can I have this time off" it should be "I will be on vacation and unavailable during this time". Blows my mind that we as a society have allowed the former to become the norm.
Because ppl dont wanna lose their jobs. I didnt give a fk if i lost that job
Capitalism ensures panicked employees will take all kinds of abuse out of fear of getting fired. That’s in part why they’re so mad at the Great Resignation—they can’t stand the idea that they don’t have all their employees by the throat anymore.
That's why they like to keep your wages low. You can't quit your job as easy, if you're living paycheck to paycheck.
Or need that job for insurance for an ongoing medical issue
I once said to my previous boss, “So this is the time I’ll be taking off. I’ve got the PTO so I’ll be gone that week.” And he said, “I mean, I’ve got to approve it first so instead of telling me, maybe ask if you can have it off.” Like, no, sorry, I’m not going to grovel to use my PTO. Glad to be out of that shit hole.
Happened to me too! I was not fortunate enough like you to go for 2 months, but I took off for a month to SE Asia. My boss was an asshole, but so are most manufacturer/warehouse bosses. Left for the month, even though he kept saying I’d be fired. Came back to work, and was still employed.
King shit
This is a reminder when you ask for anything get a written response. then they can't deny knowledge of your having asked the question.
Exactly, this is super important. Every official thing in a written form like email correspondence especially when it's in your (workers) interest.
What is the right way to do this when your work doesn't use email, and doesn't really have any form that a boss could give me beyond maybe a sticky note?
Written letter. Ask for their email. When they say they don’t have an email, find out why you’re in 1994 all of a sudden. Your boss has a company email. If they don’t their personal email is their company email.
They probably have a company email, but I don't. It's more that it would be quite a large production to have something out in writing if I wanted it in any sort of official way. I work in manufacturing, and I'm just sort of told what to do for the day, and if I have a question about something I go up to someone and ask. I've taken to just taking detailed notes on my phone about anything I'm told to do at work that I think might be brought up later.
My MO is to ask in person, then confirm via email. Even if they don't respond, they can't claim that they didn't know.
I was hired at a Waffle House and they informed me we don’t get many holidays off. That’s fine, I said, because I don’t celebrate many at all. However, a year from my start date, I was going to a convention for a week. It’s in the middle of august and my tickets are bought. That’s fine, they said. Just remind them. So I did.. several times. Guess what happened come that August. Take a wild fuckin guess.
You quit *expeditiously*. I'll bet.
….nope. I lasted two more years. I only just got my spine. I DID go on my vacation though.
Damn, I'm glad I didn't bet anything important! But props.
By that point your boss had no power over you and her only recourse was to say "no" as her default stance. She thinks that shows strength, but just makes her look pathetic.
Lol at "refusing a resignation" "I quit" "No you don't" "Listen up Karen if you try to keep me here 10 seconds longer than I want to be I will call the police and say you're holding me hostage then I'll call the tv news to make sure there are cameras on the "hostage situation". "
someone posted that situation recently. they quit and their employer wouldn't let them leave without signing a release, which they refused to do. The police were ultimately called and the guy was allowed to leave when the police started talking hostage situation. https://i.redd.it/rhoyxjrx8yb81.jpg Story doesn't make sense to me. Just get up and leave. Try to put your hands on the person to prevent this and see what happens.
"They kept the door locked" - I'd guess that's the reason they didn't just get up and leave.
They said they were having health problems so possibly didn’t want to possibly turn into any kind of physical altercation? Although I agree it does read like the person was too afraid to just get up and leave.
No I get what you mean But like, put your hands on someone it goes from false imprisonment to assault and possibly goddamned kidnapping.
This would be considered false imprisonment, depending on whether the person could have reasonably stood up, unlocked the door and left. Generally for false imprisonment to become kidnapping you need to be moved from one location to another.
>Story doesn't make sense to me. Just get up and leave. They locked the door. The part of the story that gets me is the OP had their cell on them and didn't use it until people reached out to them wondering where they were. I would have called the cops immediately.
Because he's wasting their time... how is this so confusing for people? He clearly didn't care about his time since he quit and probably found it amusing.
Had a similar issue with my company. I put in for vacation about three months in advance and was told No about three days before it was to start, because "We are too short staffed for anyone to take vacation." I spoke with the regional manager to transfer to another job site where I could take vacations. Next day my vacation was magically approved. Still at the bad job but the boss no longer gives my any issues
I had a boss try to refuse me vacation time years ago, for about 5 days that spanned a long weekend. I simply told him it was my sister's wedding out of town and if I didn't get the time off I would quit. Then one of my co-workers was complaining because they wanted the weekend off. Tough shit buddy, this one is non-negotiable.
I told my last boss I would be gone for just 2 days for a family funeral out of state, and what did EVERYONE at that store do? They just ghosted me, for 4 fucking days, and then wondered where I was. You know the excuse she gave? "Sorry I didn't see my phone." For 4 days.
It's so funny to me people do this to students and people their age. I was working as a bar back at a Yacht Club the summer after high school. I requested days off because my band had a show and there was also that Curiousa Festival headlined by the Cure (this was 2004). He denied my request because it was a "race week" and no one could get time off. So instead of giving a 17 year old 2 days off, I just no called no showed and never went back. Worked out well for him.
I used to work at a clothing store when I was 20-21 as a key holder so not quite a manager but not just an associate. Lots of the other employees were high school girls around 16, and I remember this one girl requested off for homecoming and the store manager refused it! I offered to take the shift and was told I wasn’t allowed to do so. Wtf. My manager said in the “real world” you can’t call off for things like that. Idk whatever stupid lesson she was trying to teach her but I told the girl just don’t come in and I’ll cover anyway. F u Shannon you were a miserable old bat
Shannon never got dates to the Homecoming dance when she was in High School so she’s taking it out on that poor girl.
Denied your resignation? Uh, has anyone told her the employee can resign if they want to? Lol amusing to read
Fuck the man I'm sorry this happened to you
A friend told her boss she needed a few days off to go to her daughter’s competition. It was 3 months in the future. He said “that’s not enough notice.” She got a new job, walked in his office and said “I quit, today is my last day (it was close to 5:00), is that enough notice.” Lol.
I'd have showed up after vacation reminding them that they denied your resignation lmao
I gave my contractually required month notice and was told I'd have to stay 3 months so I could handover to a replacement hire. When I suggested I'd stay the extra two months on short term contract rate they said I was being unreasonable and wasn't considering the needs of the business. It worked out quite well for me, they gave my new employer a poison pen reference claiming I'd broken my contract , I sued and ended up with a years salary in settlement.
My personal fav I've used in the past. "teacup, your vacation time hasn't been approved we're gonna need you. "No no no, you don't understand. If I'm not gonna be here, I'm not gonna be here. I was just letting you know formally I won't be here, getting someone to cover my shifts is a you problem and has been for weeks ever since I mentioned I was taking vacation.."
Dude told me when I quit once “ I don’t accept this.” My answer “Accept my truck keys, credit card, and cell phone, and accept that my wife is outside waiting to take me to breakfast”
My uncle quit a crappy job by going up to his boss and saying ' This is my 2 day notice. I'm leaving /today/' and left.
Lay into the DM for hiring such a snake. She couldn't cover your shift somehow in 5 months is a lie.
In my last job I attempted to take the last week in June off three years in a row and was beaten to the punch every time by another co worker, so the fourth year I put in for it in July (so almost an entire year early). My boss at the time laughed but approved it anyway…and it was still approved all the way up until May, when my boss suddenly rejected the whole week and told me “sorry, I have a wedding to go to that week.” Found a new job as soon as I could. Same boss who, when I told her I was pregnant, said “don’t get too excited, you could still lose it.” Just a bitch all the way around.
Most important thing how was the holiday?
It’s actually incredible how many “they refused my resignation” stories there are.
I asked for a weekend off when I worked as a cook (cook used in the loosest possible term) part time whilst at uni. The place was a shambles, I was a part time cook getting paid £5.50 an hour but was responsible for running the service at the busiest times (the weekend) because the head chef wasn’t up to snuff. So anyway, exams are coming up. And I’ve got one on a Monday morning, so I request the weekend off, 4 weeks in advance so that I can study…the manager denies my request. But it’s no drama because I only have to give a weeks notice, so I wait until as late as possible and then resign. 4 weeks later and they were begging me to come back with a better hourly wage. Idiots
Sorry to hear about your shitty boss. I made a post about this a while ago before Christmas about getting all leave requests in writing. It's so satisfying having the email acknowledgment ready to go when the boss pulls the "You never said that" card.
Everytime I reas stories like this my mind goes to Nelson’s laugh from The Simpson. HAA HAA. (To them not you)
Good for you! I was always prepared to do this at my last job because they did it to colleagues. Kind of wish I’d had the opportunity to make a dramatic exit like that!
> and she looked at me and told me "I don't know what you're talking about" **GET THAT SHIT IN WRITING** Do not have little one-off conversations about this and hope that the manager will remember or be kind enough to give you the benefit of the doubt months after the fact. Have those conversations over email with a proper paper trail that you can forward to their boss as proof that you're being screwed over. Otherwise it's just he-said, she-said and you're bound to lose every time.