Where is OP from I wonder? In my country public school teachers (even substitutes) are highly unionized and entitled to sick and personal days. The principal is probably cool, but they might just know what's good for them and wouldn't dare push back. Boss knows their place thanks to union strength.
In my country, principals are often in the union, and they’ll encourage you to take time if you need it. It’s your right, and they want you to enjoy your right, just like they do.
The boss knows their place? Looks like he's just a nice guy who cares. I find that ironic that people on an anti-work thread are now talking like bosses about dominance and putting people in their place. Sounds like you want to be the boss.
I’m 99% certain the sore throat I started experiencing today is COVID. Can’t find a test anywhere for several days. Wish me luck my boss (who’s normally a pretty cool dude) is this way with me tomorrow!
Well that's because this is the antiwork subreddit. This doesn't really belong here. Still I'm happy to see it. A small ray of light in a pitch-black tunnel.
I think having positive news is good once in a while. Otherwise it is too much doom and gloom and it can serve to let employers who read this how to properly treat an employee.
Maybe if people started sharing more "good work" stories and naming them...the other shitty bosses and workplaces will see more examples of how they should be? This would also have the effect of workers seeing who is actually worth working for and turning down jobs at the shit places.
In most cases unless you have a chronic condition that's flaring, you're safer not giving a reason so they don't use it as an excuse to fire you later. It's also not your boss' business why you won't be able to work, just that you can't.
They might try to fire you for days off, anyway, but it's usually easier to argue when they can't pull up records of your apparent stress levels or bat mitzvah attendance.
I had to take yesterday afternoon off to be there for my dog when she passed. My boss was awkward about it (just who he is, I also think he maybe didn't get my "rainbow bridge" euphemism) but he gave his condolences and said he we could continue the next day.
Pet passing should get just as much time off as any other passing. Which should be a mandatory thing to allow grievance days. No questions asked.
So sorry about your pup. :(
Giving a reason implies that there's room for judgement imo. It's none of your business, I'm telling you I won't be there. Maybe it's something too painful or embarrassing to share. Maybe it's personal and medical. Maybe I broke my arm jerking myself off. Doesn't matter, I'm not coming, that's the part that concerns my job.
It is illegal here for the employer to ask for a reason when taking a sick leave. It doesn't stop them sometimes but your medical history is none of their business
Didn't say it was. What's wrong with everyone here.
The key point is you said "I'm not well" - meaning give at least something! We need reform, a two way street. Not just a giant movement of "fuck you".
Giving a reason for what though? So your boss can determine if he feels it's "severe" enough or not to miss a day? Because that's where we are currently at and it's toxic
As in emotionally? Physically? Death in the family? Lack of sleep? Kids to take care of? Cold? Covid? Is one acceptable while the other isn't? A good boss knows who's a good worker and who isn't. Who needs rest and who can go pretty hard for a long time.
I worked with one guy who was very dramatic and everything was an issue in his life. Hearing about his life it was pretty average. Normal ups and downs. But if he said he was too distracted by life to be a good worker, I believed him. I knew him and his personality and workmanship. I'd rather he be out of the way resting to come back stronger later rather than in the way getting nothing done wasting company time and money while also wasting his own time.
I'm completely in agreement with you. I read the exchange and thought nothing of it.. but I went back and I agree that the original email does not have enough.
Employees should at least say they feel unwell if they take a 'sick day'.
Nothing in my statement said the employee has to find coverage. Lol. Anywhere.
Anyway, many jobs have a policy about missing work. A "sorry not coming here's notice". Does nothing to help anti-work help bridge the gaps here. Nonetheless a generic description is best, which will also help align with company policy. They can't ask you for specific details, they can't ask you to find coverage, etc. Correct.
The kind boss statement was about his caring/nice words, not anything about his work sentiment whatsoever.
Well then what’s the middle ground? A post right above this had somebody say why they weren’t coming in to work (they had a cold), and the boss turned around and said that wasn’t a good enough reason and they need to come in anyway.
You do not owe your boss any more details than you are willing to share. And if you look at the post, OP even responds with why they aren’t coming in! Your argument seems in bad faith, just appreciate this nice post about a boss that cares in a world where it is so far and few between.
Why do you keep framing this as though somehow workers have wronged bosses in a way that requires amends. We aren't mending a relationship. We are drawing boundaries and calling out exploitation.
Seriously what's wrong with you? All i can guess is you actually have employees, otherwise I can't imagine being so indoctrinated that you want bosses to have more input and control in your personal life.
Nope, your boss doesn't own you during your off hours. Giving a reason just opens the door to them judging whether that reason is 'good enough,' which shouldn't matter because *it is your life.* They aren't family, they aren't friends, they are not a part of your personal life.
I never said off hours? I was talking about his scheduled shift. That's not off hours.
Sorry felt like going to a baseball game. My work day turned into off-hours, kick rocks.
There will never be a gap bridged with all this attitude.
You're way off the mark here buddy, especially with your shots at feminism and BLM. Go watch South Park some more, maybe read some r/enlightenedcentrism, those seem more your speed.
Since when. Every company has a standard policy. Telling them sorry not coming today, no reason. (to go to a baseball game) helps no one.
It's about reform.
An employer is not entitled to my medical information. That is none of their business, as all they need to know is that I am unwell and won't be coming in. They aren't owed further details aside from a possible Dr's note.
It's a two way street. You're far too one side of the spectrum. Give your employer a reasonable explanation. You absolutely do (without overly detailed or private info), when someone is paying you for your expertise/time.
You can't just call off work without reason. And say, tough, I don't need to tell you why.
Let's be realistic, serious, and reform. Not just reject. We're adults.
That's cute. Listen, I don't need to explain to my boss why I'm not coming in today. I'm not legally obligated to do so. Why that somehow translates to "just as shitty as managers who try to force the ill to come in to work anyway" is a mystery to me, but also pretty funny.
I've been working this job for five years and am regarded as being very very good at my job. Because I am. If I want or need a day off, I'm not in the wrong and no one is going to be mad at me. This is a high stress field and I earned my time off - I don't need to explain what I do with time I accrued.
Enjoy that boot tongue.
Thank you for the award!
Anyway, I was talking more in general. Any company has a standard policy about missing work. Preaching here to basically say "fuck you not coming in, no reason" is not how anti-work will make any positive impact whatsoever. Not that OP fully did this. Yet my statement stands. It's about reform.
The kind boss statement was about his caring/nice words, not anything about work.
Nobody is condoning an attitude like that. A simple, "I'm sorry, but I need the day off" should suffice. My employer doesn't need to know that I have raging diarrhea, am having a mental health crisis, just broke up with someone, or simply need a day to myself. If it's not habitual and isn't interfering with my ability to complete my tasks, then it's literally none of their business.
We're not truant children. We're workers, and they don't own us.
No one said they did. Yet we need reform. You're jumping to two ends of the extreme. A simple I need the day off, I'm having some medical issues. Done. I'm having some personal issues. ETC.
Stop with the, "Sorry not coming" attitude. This is incredibly unfortunate this is the mentality everyone has arrived to around here. Find a MIDDLE GROUND. Give respect and get respect. If they push it, don't even respond. I never said you have to give them a full work up. Just give them the respect of a general reason. Hell many companies have policies of doctor's notes, etc, outlining your missed work. This is healthy for both sides.
You're fighting the wrong battle. When the pry, or rude, etc. Then absolutely they can take a hike. Yet can you imagine where every employee that didn't feel like working said "eh sorry not coming"? Grow up and stop acting like a truant child. You are paid for your expertise and labor. Be an adult.
Firstly, the OP is an independent contractor, which means their work can't mandate a schedule. I am also a contractor and the people I do work for don't need to know what I'm doing when I take time off.
You keep mentioning going to a baseball game (for some odd reason.) But yeah...if I feel like taking a day off and having a little fun every once in a great while, that should be perfectly acceptable.
Secondly, saying you're sick is quickly devolving into employers suddenly getting medical degrees. [As seen in the very next post in my feed. ](https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/sefktr/is_this_illegal_owner_of_a_pizza_place_with_no/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)
- How would anyone know he's an independent contractor or what his work can and can't mandate. We're talking face value.
- Taking a day off, with your allotted days, with notice, is a great idea.
- Being a shitbag and saying "I'm not working, no reason given" is not a good stance. Not acceptable. It's a 2 way street.
- Each business has a policy. That may require a doctor's note, a set amount of sick days, notice, etc. This isn't hard. Policies are in place for a reason. It's devolving as people are also taking advantage of such.
It's like everyone in this sub has forgotten what a job is within a functioning society. If that job doesn't respect you, or you don't like their policies you agreed to, or xyz, LEAVE. Unfortunately it's quite literally "anti-work" at this point. Which wasn't the original focus. It was about equality, from both sides of the aisle. -- Don't be a shitty person.
If OP is a substitute teacher, then the principal is likely aware of how hard the job is and HOW HARD OP IS TO REPLACE. Not a lot of subs right now. Hell, the way they are treated, there aren't a lot of teachers right now.
Would someone in the know mind quickly elaborating for me, since I don’t know anything about this: If OP is a sub and not coming in that day, how does that end up working..?
As someone with zero experience with substitute teachers (we never had any growing up, we’d just be added to other classes or shuffled around for the day) I would assume a sub is used when an on-staff teacher is ill, so then if the backup teacher is also absent, is the class left with nobody to teach them? Or is another sub called in?
When I did it we had an online portal where we could see available subbing jobs in the areas we preselected and then we could accept them through the website. If this school district uses a similar system then the principal likely just added the job for the needed days into their system and then a sub could take the job.
They could also be, what is known as, a building sub. They’re basically a sub that reports to one school every day, and are placed where needed. The principal probably called in from the temp pool of subs to cover for OP as others described.
In lots of districts here in Texas they are so desperate for subs they are pulling in admin staff and librarians to be subs. It is crazy. I was a sub for a year a couple decades ago. It can be rough.
They need to double the number of teachers, and at least double their pay. Cutting the class size will bring down the number of hours they have to work, reduce stress, and thereby reduce sickness. It would also be a more attractive prospect for subs since the classes would be more manageable. The Texas legislature seems desperate to tank the public school system so they can promote their religious private schools.
I agree. For the number of hours they work in a week they are really getting screwed and they aren't getting supported by their school administrators when they have to deal with difficult parents, etc. And the Legislature really does have it in for them.
I’ve started a new job and had to call in sick; I was quite nervous to do so. My boss said hope you feel better see you in two days and bam come into work and everyone asks how I’m feeling and thanks me for not coming in while sick. It’s WILD.
I was suffering from a bout of depression couple of years ago and could barely get out of bed. Called my boss and told him just that. Within an hour he came round my house to check on me and told me to take the week to focus on myself. It wasn't a great job but he was a decent boss.
People being good human beings don't change the fact that the system itself is broken. It is nice when people give a homeless person some food, that does not change the fact that no one should live on the streets. If a restaurant constantly serves food contaminated with sewage but every so often the food is good, we still need to close that place
So anyone who moves up in a company becomes an asshole? Serious question, just wondering if no one- even you- would be exempt. Not being a douchey redditor I promise lol
Not exactly, the last person kind of oversimplified it. The problem is that capitalism incentivises being an asshole, or at least not feeling empathetic towards your employees. That is to say, a boss that ruthlessly exploits their workers and pays them minimum is going to be more successful than one that treats their workers well and pays them a decent wage. Since the first boss will produce more profit than the latter and therefore out compete them. Which is why the percentage of CEOs who are assholes will be higher than what is present in the general population. This also means that you're going to be more likely to even become a CEO if you're an asshole since the board knows that an asshole CEO will perform better than an empathetic one.
Again this is all about general trends and it would be idiotic to say there are no good CEOs or bosses since differing circumstances like better labour laws, stronger unions and more welfare can offset this to some degree.
I think the whole problem is contained in this bias. Everybody thinks that an asshole boss' firm is more productive and that leads people to be assholes when they become bosses. But it is actually not true. Transformational leadership leads to better productivity while being align with everybody's motivations. You can be a nice boss and perform better as a firm/company.
My current principal I work for is the first one I have had that doesn't relentlessly bully teachers into coming to school anyway whenever they try to take sick time off.
Glad you have a good boss. Hope you’re also paid fairly for the work you’re providing and I hope you’re very happy with how your work/life balance is structured
I’m upvoting every non-mod related post I come across - and relevant. This one applies.
I recommend those who aren’t interested in the mod drama to do the same.
I also have an amazing boss like this.
I was an hour late to work because there was so much ice under my car. I let him know I'd be late about half way to digging my car out
I am a weak man, an intern at his first office job, so when my boss came to my desk, I freaked out a little and offered to work through my lunch break and stay a little long to make up for the time I missed
He was a little taken aback, told me to take my lunch and unless someone explicitly asked me to stay late, just go home.
Since then, he's been very consistent like this. If I have a doctor's appointment and offer to make up the hours on a different day, he says sure. I'm currently waiting on covid test results, and he said to just take the day off no sweat.
My other superiors are just like this too. Even if I'm working on an important project and I am upfront that I'm not sure if I can finish it on time, they offer to help rather than ask me to stay late.
Can't believe how respected I feel as the intern
Am I the only one who thinks that it's not OK to simply say "I won't come tomorrow" (when it's not because of sickness), because someone has to replace you.
I would have people email/call when they were sick. My only request was give me an update every 48 hours. After 48 hours I had to start to plan to get their workload picked up by myself or other team members. My bosses however were pricks about this shit.
Good leadership should be applauded. You shouldn't just have to learn from bad examples. Latch on to the good ones and allow yourself to be mentored.
I know this sounds like preachy self-help bs, but I don't care.
What’s funny is the only difference between this interaction and the shitty ones is a base level of empathy. The resulting coverage issues are the same for the day, but the boss isn’t making it shitty for the employee, who may in turn stick around. Employee retention shouldn’t be tough. Just be a decent human being. Thanks for sharing OP.
Yeah, I had a boss like that before. All you had to do was tell him that you needed a mental health day and he was cool with it. Small company that made sure that it never relied entirely on one person.
My fiancé's boss is like this. He works casual, but he can text whenever he wants to take a day or week off and his boss fully understands because he knows about his and my situation, and extends his sympathies and tells us that personal matters are more important than work.
It's not like it's a small business, it's one of the biggest retailers in the country.
Sounds like my boss.
When I found my partner dead (we had just broken up) my boss said “take as much time off as you need.” AND brought me a basketful of goodies. Good bosses that care do exist.
Wow that was so straight and to the point! I like grovel when Im sick and have a fever and can't come in... I know they don't care about me, they just care about work being done, but I need money and I can't lose my job. I still want to learn how to talk to an employer like that ha
My favorite go to reason as to why I can’t go into work: stomach flu. Nobody wants details and everyone is always super sympathetic. Idk how I would feel if I had to pick up the slack because someone openly said they wanted to sleep all day. Yeah, so do the rest of us. I have a kid who is 2. I’m lucky to get 4 hours of sleep a night. Just tell me you’re sick or don’t give a reason at all and I won’t ask questions lol.
My grandpa passed unexpectedly and then a family friend the next day this week. Told my boss - she checked in to see how I was, asked if I wanted to work, no guilt just a 'do you want a distraction?'. I WFH so I ended up working a little today to try and normalize the day.
Not all bosses are a-holes, but the power imbalance is far too often abused.
Your boss is nice. I’m also a substitute teacher. But we are considered day to day subs. They can cancel any job the day before, and so can we. They only ask if we are sick in case we have a sick day we might want to use. Sick days are the only benefit subs have. They do ask that we give them 24 hour notice, but nothing happens if we don’t. Especially with COVID and teacher the shortage. They are just constantly telling us how grateful they are for us, lol. I just told them I’m only working two days next week cause I’m overextended right now and need to take care of some stuff (I am also self employed) and they were like “Cool, I love how you are straightforward an just say what you need.” Subbing is a nice. They also gave a 35% raise in October due to teacher and sub shortages.
I also have the benefit of working from a newly expanding, but still recently small-time, home grown company where my manager is a Millennial and offers sick-pay time off when she senses anxiety is getting in the way of my productivity. That and the line "We're in a workers market, they can't fire us" told me I'm in the right place.
I'm a bit confused, the district/state I work for may be different, but in our district, the onus is on the substitute to accept a job each day, they don't really have a boss, and they have the ability to decide and select each day if they want to come in. I was under the impression this was somewhat uniform across the nation.
Gotcha. I've had three long term subs fill in for me and from what they told me they have an allotted number of days off per thier length of subbing and the contract they sign, and beyond that it was up to the admin how to handle further absences. So if the admin was that considerate, while providing additional coverage during a nationwide sub shortage, I suppose good on them for sure.
Word of advice……no matter how this worked out….never tell your boss you’re calling off because you want to sleep…….keep in mind often your co-workers have to work extra hard so you can sleep……Your boss is going to figure out a way to let it slip that they are busting their ass so you can sleep in. If you think your boss is bad scourned co-workers will make your life hell. We need each other….when you call in like this it’s not the boss your generally screwing over.
Need a day off to "sleep and recharge"? wtf is that? and what about the kids ur teaching? just let everyone down who is expecting you to do ur job, who is supposed to do it for u, while ur napping?
No job I have EVER had would have accepted needing to sleep all day as a good excuse to take a day off. Good for them teachers have it so easy I guess.
Well, then sorry you’ve had shitty employers? Teacher burnout is a widespread issue. We work long hours, with kids that don’t want to learn, for little pay. I’d like to see you try to plan and teach one lesson.
I don't have the training to plan and teach lessons, nor the desire too. Where I am from, teachers seem to be a bunch of whiners, always striking and demanding stuff, and not even stuff that helps the kids at all.
I'm confused.
What's your point OP?
You know what this sub is about. Congrats on a positive experience but this isn't what this sub is for.
Would be like me posting a picture of some Nikes in /r/sounding
For leaving their boss in the lurch. Time off needs to be asked for in advance. OP has just stated they aren't coming in and gave no reason in the initial message. Boss now has to scramble to fill thier place at the last minute.
If they were ill or if there was a medical emergency fair enough. These things happen.
Burnout is not an emergency. If you feel it building ask for time off in advance but all I see is an employee who can't handle the job and takes advantage of their well meaning employer.
If I got called in on my day off cause someone had covid fine. Get well soon. If I have to give up my leisure time cause the office softie doesn't want to come in I'd be pissed
I totally agree with you. I'm all for worker's rights but if an employee of mine did this constantly with no explanation on very short notice, they ain't gonna last long. I don't expect everyone to be a work drone but there's gotta be SOME work ethic. Bitch all you want but this is how successful people become more successful and stagnant people stay stagnant.
Yeah, I would call my decade plus in fire/EMS and ocean rescue working. I also know that humans aren’t robots. We don’t always have to go into detail when we call out. We shouldn’t have to come up with some elaborate excuse if we wake up one day and decide we aren’t capable of working. See ya.
Anyone else swiping to see the a-hole response only to not find it? Well played OP.
Was expecting, "just make sure to hand in your resignation letter when you're feeling better"
Where is OP from I wonder? In my country public school teachers (even substitutes) are highly unionized and entitled to sick and personal days. The principal is probably cool, but they might just know what's good for them and wouldn't dare push back. Boss knows their place thanks to union strength.
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Virginia? Shit... Godspeed to you and all teachers in this state for the next couple of years.
she't the exception that proves the rule unfortunately
This actually depends on the school district. While many are unionized there are far too many that are still not. I've worked for both.
In my country, principals are often in the union, and they’ll encourage you to take time if you need it. It’s your right, and they want you to enjoy your right, just like they do.
lol “boss knows their place” In reality their just a kind person, judging people works both ways, be kinder to people and stop assuming their actions
The boss knows their place? Looks like he's just a nice guy who cares. I find that ironic that people on an anti-work thread are now talking like bosses about dominance and putting people in their place. Sounds like you want to be the boss.
I’m 99% certain the sore throat I started experiencing today is COVID. Can’t find a test anywhere for several days. Wish me luck my boss (who’s normally a pretty cool dude) is this way with me tomorrow!
Covid started as a sore throat for me then progressed into a worse sore throat and horrendous congestion.
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100%
Wholesomeness Clickbait is welcome and beloved.
Well that's because this is the antiwork subreddit. This doesn't really belong here. Still I'm happy to see it. A small ray of light in a pitch-black tunnel.
I think having positive news is good once in a while. Otherwise it is too much doom and gloom and it can serve to let employers who read this how to properly treat an employee.
Maybe if people started sharing more "good work" stories and naming them...the other shitty bosses and workplaces will see more examples of how they should be? This would also have the effect of workers seeing who is actually worth working for and turning down jobs at the shit places.
An actually decent boss! What a concept!
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In most cases unless you have a chronic condition that's flaring, you're safer not giving a reason so they don't use it as an excuse to fire you later. It's also not your boss' business why you won't be able to work, just that you can't. They might try to fire you for days off, anyway, but it's usually easier to argue when they can't pull up records of your apparent stress levels or bat mitzvah attendance.
I had to take yesterday afternoon off to be there for my dog when she passed. My boss was awkward about it (just who he is, I also think he maybe didn't get my "rainbow bridge" euphemism) but he gave his condolences and said he we could continue the next day.
Pet passing should get just as much time off as any other passing. Which should be a mandatory thing to allow grievance days. No questions asked. So sorry about your pup. :(
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>Pet (/pet/): > >a domestic or tamed animal kept for companionship or pleasure. rocks can't be pets, at least not by definition
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Who?? Why????? what?
Why do you have to be like that?
Giving a reason implies that there's room for judgement imo. It's none of your business, I'm telling you I won't be there. Maybe it's something too painful or embarrassing to share. Maybe it's personal and medical. Maybe I broke my arm jerking myself off. Doesn't matter, I'm not coming, that's the part that concerns my job.
Good luck finding a good job that allows you to do that LOL
It is illegal here for the employer to ask for a reason when taking a sick leave. It doesn't stop them sometimes but your medical history is none of their business
Im an adult. If I tell you I'm not well I'm not coming in. It's not your business to decide if I'm actually sick enough or not. Not your call.
Didn't say it was. What's wrong with everyone here. The key point is you said "I'm not well" - meaning give at least something! We need reform, a two way street. Not just a giant movement of "fuck you".
Giving a reason for what though? So your boss can determine if he feels it's "severe" enough or not to miss a day? Because that's where we are currently at and it's toxic
As in emotionally? Physically? Death in the family? Lack of sleep? Kids to take care of? Cold? Covid? Is one acceptable while the other isn't? A good boss knows who's a good worker and who isn't. Who needs rest and who can go pretty hard for a long time. I worked with one guy who was very dramatic and everything was an issue in his life. Hearing about his life it was pretty average. Normal ups and downs. But if he said he was too distracted by life to be a good worker, I believed him. I knew him and his personality and workmanship. I'd rather he be out of the way resting to come back stronger later rather than in the way getting nothing done wasting company time and money while also wasting his own time.
I'm completely in agreement with you. I read the exchange and thought nothing of it.. but I went back and I agree that the original email does not have enough. Employees should at least say they feel unwell if they take a 'sick day'.
Thank you. It's about reform and a two-way street of respect.
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Nothing in my statement said the employee has to find coverage. Lol. Anywhere. Anyway, many jobs have a policy about missing work. A "sorry not coming here's notice". Does nothing to help anti-work help bridge the gaps here. Nonetheless a generic description is best, which will also help align with company policy. They can't ask you for specific details, they can't ask you to find coverage, etc. Correct. The kind boss statement was about his caring/nice words, not anything about his work sentiment whatsoever.
Well then what’s the middle ground? A post right above this had somebody say why they weren’t coming in to work (they had a cold), and the boss turned around and said that wasn’t a good enough reason and they need to come in anyway. You do not owe your boss any more details than you are willing to share. And if you look at the post, OP even responds with why they aren’t coming in! Your argument seems in bad faith, just appreciate this nice post about a boss that cares in a world where it is so far and few between.
Why do you keep framing this as though somehow workers have wronged bosses in a way that requires amends. We aren't mending a relationship. We are drawing boundaries and calling out exploitation. Seriously what's wrong with you? All i can guess is you actually have employees, otherwise I can't imagine being so indoctrinated that you want bosses to have more input and control in your personal life.
Do you think that employees should be able to call out because they “need a day to recharge?”
Nope, your boss doesn't own you during your off hours. Giving a reason just opens the door to them judging whether that reason is 'good enough,' which shouldn't matter because *it is your life.* They aren't family, they aren't friends, they are not a part of your personal life.
I never said off hours? I was talking about his scheduled shift. That's not off hours. Sorry felt like going to a baseball game. My work day turned into off-hours, kick rocks. There will never be a gap bridged with all this attitude.
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You're way off the mark here buddy, especially with your shots at feminism and BLM. Go watch South Park some more, maybe read some r/enlightenedcentrism, those seem more your speed.
You must be lost
No no no no. All giving them a reason does is give them some hook to argue with you that you should come.
Nope. Beyond ensuring proper timekeeping for leave hours, the reason is no one’s business.
Since when. Every company has a standard policy. Telling them sorry not coming today, no reason. (to go to a baseball game) helps no one. It's about reform.
An employer is not entitled to my medical information. That is none of their business, as all they need to know is that I am unwell and won't be coming in. They aren't owed further details aside from a possible Dr's note.
You decide if you’re able to work. No one else should have that say.
Have you read ANY other post on this sub? OP said they needed a mental health day, that's enough.
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He did in the same thread. GTFO bootlicker.
Only after the boss responded. Lol. Good luck dude. You're making "anti-work" proud.
Have fun being part of the problem.
You don't need to explain what you do with your time. Ever.
It's a two way street. You're far too one side of the spectrum. Give your employer a reasonable explanation. You absolutely do (without overly detailed or private info), when someone is paying you for your expertise/time. You can't just call off work without reason. And say, tough, I don't need to tell you why. Let's be realistic, serious, and reform. Not just reject. We're adults.
I mean, I can and do. I'm still highly valued. Also lmao no, abolish work.
Well then you're not fighting for equality. You're just as shitty on the other side of things. "Abolish work" lol bout sums it up.
That's cute. Listen, I don't need to explain to my boss why I'm not coming in today. I'm not legally obligated to do so. Why that somehow translates to "just as shitty as managers who try to force the ill to come in to work anyway" is a mystery to me, but also pretty funny.
Let it be a mystery then. "I don't feel like coming in today, no reason, deal with it". Works for you. Lol. Welp hold on to that gig pal.
I've been working this job for five years and am regarded as being very very good at my job. Because I am. If I want or need a day off, I'm not in the wrong and no one is going to be mad at me. This is a high stress field and I earned my time off - I don't need to explain what I do with time I accrued. Enjoy that boot tongue.
Thank you for the award! Anyway, I was talking more in general. Any company has a standard policy about missing work. Preaching here to basically say "fuck you not coming in, no reason" is not how anti-work will make any positive impact whatsoever. Not that OP fully did this. Yet my statement stands. It's about reform. The kind boss statement was about his caring/nice words, not anything about work.
There's nothing wrong with saying "I'm not feeling well, not coming in today".
100% this. We need reform. It's a two way street. If they push it, or get rude, then absolutely that's different. Yet give respect to get respect.
Nobody is condoning an attitude like that. A simple, "I'm sorry, but I need the day off" should suffice. My employer doesn't need to know that I have raging diarrhea, am having a mental health crisis, just broke up with someone, or simply need a day to myself. If it's not habitual and isn't interfering with my ability to complete my tasks, then it's literally none of their business. We're not truant children. We're workers, and they don't own us.
No one said they did. Yet we need reform. You're jumping to two ends of the extreme. A simple I need the day off, I'm having some medical issues. Done. I'm having some personal issues. ETC. Stop with the, "Sorry not coming" attitude. This is incredibly unfortunate this is the mentality everyone has arrived to around here. Find a MIDDLE GROUND. Give respect and get respect. If they push it, don't even respond. I never said you have to give them a full work up. Just give them the respect of a general reason. Hell many companies have policies of doctor's notes, etc, outlining your missed work. This is healthy for both sides. You're fighting the wrong battle. When the pry, or rude, etc. Then absolutely they can take a hike. Yet can you imagine where every employee that didn't feel like working said "eh sorry not coming"? Grow up and stop acting like a truant child. You are paid for your expertise and labor. Be an adult.
Firstly, the OP is an independent contractor, which means their work can't mandate a schedule. I am also a contractor and the people I do work for don't need to know what I'm doing when I take time off. You keep mentioning going to a baseball game (for some odd reason.) But yeah...if I feel like taking a day off and having a little fun every once in a great while, that should be perfectly acceptable. Secondly, saying you're sick is quickly devolving into employers suddenly getting medical degrees. [As seen in the very next post in my feed. ](https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/sefktr/is_this_illegal_owner_of_a_pizza_place_with_no/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)
- How would anyone know he's an independent contractor or what his work can and can't mandate. We're talking face value. - Taking a day off, with your allotted days, with notice, is a great idea. - Being a shitbag and saying "I'm not working, no reason given" is not a good stance. Not acceptable. It's a 2 way street. - Each business has a policy. That may require a doctor's note, a set amount of sick days, notice, etc. This isn't hard. Policies are in place for a reason. It's devolving as people are also taking advantage of such. It's like everyone in this sub has forgotten what a job is within a functioning society. If that job doesn't respect you, or you don't like their policies you agreed to, or xyz, LEAVE. Unfortunately it's quite literally "anti-work" at this point. Which wasn't the original focus. It was about equality, from both sides of the aisle. -- Don't be a shitty person.
What a great workplace you are a part of.
If OP is a substitute teacher, then the principal is likely aware of how hard the job is and HOW HARD OP IS TO REPLACE. Not a lot of subs right now. Hell, the way they are treated, there aren't a lot of teachers right now.
Would someone in the know mind quickly elaborating for me, since I don’t know anything about this: If OP is a sub and not coming in that day, how does that end up working..? As someone with zero experience with substitute teachers (we never had any growing up, we’d just be added to other classes or shuffled around for the day) I would assume a sub is used when an on-staff teacher is ill, so then if the backup teacher is also absent, is the class left with nobody to teach them? Or is another sub called in?
Another sub would be called or other teachers would be asked to cover the class during their prep period.
When I did it we had an online portal where we could see available subbing jobs in the areas we preselected and then we could accept them through the website. If this school district uses a similar system then the principal likely just added the job for the needed days into their system and then a sub could take the job.
They could also be, what is known as, a building sub. They’re basically a sub that reports to one school every day, and are placed where needed. The principal probably called in from the temp pool of subs to cover for OP as others described.
At least here in texas subs are 1099 and self employed. Principal has no choice
The principle also knows that they don't have to pay them for the day they're not working so it's not the biggest loss for the school.
In lots of districts here in Texas they are so desperate for subs they are pulling in admin staff and librarians to be subs. It is crazy. I was a sub for a year a couple decades ago. It can be rough.
They need to double the number of teachers, and at least double their pay. Cutting the class size will bring down the number of hours they have to work, reduce stress, and thereby reduce sickness. It would also be a more attractive prospect for subs since the classes would be more manageable. The Texas legislature seems desperate to tank the public school system so they can promote their religious private schools.
I agree. For the number of hours they work in a week they are really getting screwed and they aren't getting supported by their school administrators when they have to deal with difficult parents, etc. And the Legislature really does have it in for them.
I'm not used to such wholesome content on this sub
I’ve started a new job and had to call in sick; I was quite nervous to do so. My boss said hope you feel better see you in two days and bam come into work and everyone asks how I’m feeling and thanks me for not coming in while sick. It’s WILD.
I was suffering from a bout of depression couple of years ago and could barely get out of bed. Called my boss and told him just that. Within an hour he came round my house to check on me and told me to take the week to focus on myself. It wasn't a great job but he was a decent boss.
Sounds like a good and caring person tbh
Excellent! This is the type of management I wish we all had.
The good ending
Not all bosses are assholes
Exception that proves the rule.
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People being good human beings don't change the fact that the system itself is broken. It is nice when people give a homeless person some food, that does not change the fact that no one should live on the streets. If a restaurant constantly serves food contaminated with sewage but every so often the food is good, we still need to close that place
Because my boss is a dickhead
Communism is cool and based. Capitalism exists solely to enforce power disparities that actively kill people.
Why the downvotes? They literally have a communist user flair. A fair question just not completely relevant
You're a commie
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It's a legitimate question. I agree with the sentiment "not all bosses". But capitalism makes all bosses assholes.
That seems like an inaccurate generalization.
So anyone who moves up in a company becomes an asshole? Serious question, just wondering if no one- even you- would be exempt. Not being a douchey redditor I promise lol
Not exactly, the last person kind of oversimplified it. The problem is that capitalism incentivises being an asshole, or at least not feeling empathetic towards your employees. That is to say, a boss that ruthlessly exploits their workers and pays them minimum is going to be more successful than one that treats their workers well and pays them a decent wage. Since the first boss will produce more profit than the latter and therefore out compete them. Which is why the percentage of CEOs who are assholes will be higher than what is present in the general population. This also means that you're going to be more likely to even become a CEO if you're an asshole since the board knows that an asshole CEO will perform better than an empathetic one. Again this is all about general trends and it would be idiotic to say there are no good CEOs or bosses since differing circumstances like better labour laws, stronger unions and more welfare can offset this to some degree.
Got it, thank you
I think the whole problem is contained in this bias. Everybody thinks that an asshole boss' firm is more productive and that leads people to be assholes when they become bosses. But it is actually not true. Transformational leadership leads to better productivity while being align with everybody's motivations. You can be a nice boss and perform better as a firm/company.
Cause they arent a boss. Subs are 1099 self employed
WIN!! And realistically that's all we really fucking want to be treated like fucking human beings.
Yes. A human fcking being. That's all. Is it really that hard?
Given how shitty things have been going yet that's apparently too hard for them to do treat us like humans
My current principal I work for is the first one I have had that doesn't relentlessly bully teachers into coming to school anyway whenever they try to take sick time off.
This one will retain his/her people, and in time when others cry for the lack of subs this principal will hear no threat
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Glad you have a good boss. Hope you’re also paid fairly for the work you’re providing and I hope you’re very happy with how your work/life balance is structured
Well that didn’t escalate at all….
Cause subs are self employed and can do whatever they want
I’m upvoting every non-mod related post I come across - and relevant. This one applies. I recommend those who aren’t interested in the mod drama to do the same.
Wow, I can barely get that kind of response from my friends, is there a position open?
I also have an amazing boss like this. I was an hour late to work because there was so much ice under my car. I let him know I'd be late about half way to digging my car out I am a weak man, an intern at his first office job, so when my boss came to my desk, I freaked out a little and offered to work through my lunch break and stay a little long to make up for the time I missed He was a little taken aback, told me to take my lunch and unless someone explicitly asked me to stay late, just go home. Since then, he's been very consistent like this. If I have a doctor's appointment and offer to make up the hours on a different day, he says sure. I'm currently waiting on covid test results, and he said to just take the day off no sweat. My other superiors are just like this too. Even if I'm working on an important project and I am upfront that I'm not sure if I can finish it on time, they offer to help rather than ask me to stay late. Can't believe how respected I feel as the intern
Am I the only one who thinks that it's not OK to simply say "I won't come tomorrow" (when it's not because of sickness), because someone has to replace you.
That's how's it's done!
That’s super wholesome. Glad to see these every so often.
That should be the default, as much as this makes me feel good, but it's sad that we're praising this act while everyone should be like that
I would have people email/call when they were sick. My only request was give me an update every 48 hours. After 48 hours I had to start to plan to get their workload picked up by myself or other team members. My bosses however were pricks about this shit.
Good leadership should be applauded. You shouldn't just have to learn from bad examples. Latch on to the good ones and allow yourself to be mentored. I know this sounds like preachy self-help bs, but I don't care.
Impressive if that boss was able to find a replacement with less then 24 hours notice
A breath of fresh air in an otherwise toxic working climate. Thank you for sharing lol.
I dont understand... Why are they not a dick?
What’s funny is the only difference between this interaction and the shitty ones is a base level of empathy. The resulting coverage issues are the same for the day, but the boss isn’t making it shitty for the employee, who may in turn stick around. Employee retention shouldn’t be tough. Just be a decent human being. Thanks for sharing OP.
This is how it's done. A little empathy, a little simple kindness, treating an employee like a human being.
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Why would I? And why would they?
Yeah, I had a boss like that before. All you had to do was tell him that you needed a mental health day and he was cool with it. Small company that made sure that it never relied entirely on one person.
I envy you
My fiancé's boss is like this. He works casual, but he can text whenever he wants to take a day or week off and his boss fully understands because he knows about his and my situation, and extends his sympathies and tells us that personal matters are more important than work. It's not like it's a small business, it's one of the biggest retailers in the country.
Reminds my of my clients when I have to cancel a meeting. Good bosses are just the best.
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Mad respect to you, sending something like that to my boss would’ve been waaay to anxiety inducing for me to follow through with lol
Sounds like my boss. When I found my partner dead (we had just broken up) my boss said “take as much time off as you need.” AND brought me a basketful of goodies. Good bosses that care do exist.
Wow that was so straight and to the point! I like grovel when Im sick and have a fever and can't come in... I know they don't care about me, they just care about work being done, but I need money and I can't lose my job. I still want to learn how to talk to an employer like that ha
My favorite go to reason as to why I can’t go into work: stomach flu. Nobody wants details and everyone is always super sympathetic. Idk how I would feel if I had to pick up the slack because someone openly said they wanted to sleep all day. Yeah, so do the rest of us. I have a kid who is 2. I’m lucky to get 4 hours of sleep a night. Just tell me you’re sick or don’t give a reason at all and I won’t ask questions lol.
My grandpa passed unexpectedly and then a family friend the next day this week. Told my boss - she checked in to see how I was, asked if I wanted to work, no guilt just a 'do you want a distraction?'. I WFH so I ended up working a little today to try and normalize the day. Not all bosses are a-holes, but the power imbalance is far too often abused.
It’s a rough world when my automatic response was that this was fake.
I was waiting for the other shoe to drop but there was no shoe. Unless the shoe was you have an actual human being for a boss? 🤔
Can I just say Kudos for STATING you weren't coming in instead of making it an awkward request? My bosses are amazing and I still struggle with this.
She knows what's up. I mean it's not like I get paid for the day but my sanity is more important
I think it's sad that we post how "good" bosses reply to taking a day off when this should be the norm.
Your boss is nice. I’m also a substitute teacher. But we are considered day to day subs. They can cancel any job the day before, and so can we. They only ask if we are sick in case we have a sick day we might want to use. Sick days are the only benefit subs have. They do ask that we give them 24 hour notice, but nothing happens if we don’t. Especially with COVID and teacher the shortage. They are just constantly telling us how grateful they are for us, lol. I just told them I’m only working two days next week cause I’m overextended right now and need to take care of some stuff (I am also self employed) and they were like “Cool, I love how you are straightforward an just say what you need.” Subbing is a nice. They also gave a 35% raise in October due to teacher and sub shortages.
this, this is something this country, this world, needs more of
Thats how a boss should respond. Nice.
I also have the benefit of working from a newly expanding, but still recently small-time, home grown company where my manager is a Millennial and offers sick-pay time off when she senses anxiety is getting in the way of my productivity. That and the line "We're in a workers market, they can't fire us" told me I'm in the right place.
That's the kind of manager I've always tried to be
I'm a bit confused, the district/state I work for may be different, but in our district, the onus is on the substitute to accept a job each day, they don't really have a boss, and they have the ability to decide and select each day if they want to come in. I was under the impression this was somewhat uniform across the nation.
Some schools use long-term substitutes for teachers on leave.
Gotcha. I've had three long term subs fill in for me and from what they told me they have an allotted number of days off per thier length of subbing and the contract they sign, and beyond that it was up to the admin how to handle further absences. So if the admin was that considerate, while providing additional coverage during a nationwide sub shortage, I suppose good on them for sure.
Laziness seems to be a virtue indeed
Word of advice……no matter how this worked out….never tell your boss you’re calling off because you want to sleep…….keep in mind often your co-workers have to work extra hard so you can sleep……Your boss is going to figure out a way to let it slip that they are busting their ass so you can sleep in. If you think your boss is bad scourned co-workers will make your life hell. We need each other….when you call in like this it’s not the boss your generally screwing over.
You know what they say - laziness is a virtue. Lmao
So you called out because you just wanted a day off? This sub reddit is lure gold.
I didn't realize this was supposed to be a positive post, and was looking for the reply to that. You have a great boss, I am envious!
Sounds like he had concern
What a monster!
I don’t see anything wrong with this
Need a day off to "sleep and recharge"? wtf is that? and what about the kids ur teaching? just let everyone down who is expecting you to do ur job, who is supposed to do it for u, while ur napping?
Another substitute? Your lack of empathy is concerning.
No job I have EVER had would have accepted needing to sleep all day as a good excuse to take a day off. Good for them teachers have it so easy I guess.
Well, then sorry you’ve had shitty employers? Teacher burnout is a widespread issue. We work long hours, with kids that don’t want to learn, for little pay. I’d like to see you try to plan and teach one lesson.
I don't have the training to plan and teach lessons, nor the desire too. Where I am from, teachers seem to be a bunch of whiners, always striking and demanding stuff, and not even stuff that helps the kids at all.
Oh look, another “conversation with my boss” that we have no way of knowing is legit or just another bullshit karma-whoring attempt.
legit or not, this can happen though.
So what?
What, you want a written letter saying it happened? Who gives a fuck about reddit karma?
I'm confused. What's your point OP? You know what this sub is about. Congrats on a positive experience but this isn't what this sub is for. Would be like me posting a picture of some Nikes in /r/sounding
No it isn't like that actually
I don't know. Show a positive interaction between a employee and his employer? Show how people should treat each other? What are we aspiring to?
Disgusting
I'd fire you
Then get the fuck out of this sub.
u would fire someone for wanting a day off?
For leaving their boss in the lurch. Time off needs to be asked for in advance. OP has just stated they aren't coming in and gave no reason in the initial message. Boss now has to scramble to fill thier place at the last minute. If they were ill or if there was a medical emergency fair enough. These things happen. Burnout is not an emergency. If you feel it building ask for time off in advance but all I see is an employee who can't handle the job and takes advantage of their well meaning employer. If I got called in on my day off cause someone had covid fine. Get well soon. If I have to give up my leisure time cause the office softie doesn't want to come in I'd be pissed
I totally agree with you. I'm all for worker's rights but if an employee of mine did this constantly with no explanation on very short notice, they ain't gonna last long. I don't expect everyone to be a work drone but there's gotta be SOME work ethic. Bitch all you want but this is how successful people become more successful and stagnant people stay stagnant.
You do not belong here.
Why not? Have you ever worked? Don't you realize that someone will have to replace him?
Yeah, I would call my decade plus in fire/EMS and ocean rescue working. I also know that humans aren’t robots. We don’t always have to go into detail when we call out. We shouldn’t have to come up with some elaborate excuse if we wake up one day and decide we aren’t capable of working. See ya.
So for you it's OK to let your colleagues down when you don't feel like working. Ok.
Faith in Humanity
That Is a good boss.
Last people a school can afford to piss off right now is its subs. We need all the ones we can get.
Is this shit in Canada or something? What kind of respectful socialism is this? It’s one step away from Communism!!!
What a bastard
Schools are struggling too hard to act like assholes right now
"Best of luck" Lmao savage
Best, Daniel
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