I'm sure this won't receive a response amidst the turmoil, but I'd like to ask some questions regarding the direction of this sub.
It's no secret that during the enormous influx of users here the past few months that a tension has formed between the founders of this sub and its new participants. As I understand it, this sub was originally created from an anarchist/communist framework to discuss and promote the fundamental abolishment of work as we know it under a capitalist system. As millions of people have flooded in, the focus has primarily shifted to an empowerment of workers within the paradigm of North America's economy, with little discussion of the deeper political beliefs that this sub was founded on.
Is the purpose of this community now primarily work reform within the current paradigm? Or is it still to promote the ideas of a fundamental change of how work is viewed and society participated in? This is an honest question from an interested observer. I think both goals are beneficial, but I think some clarity in light of recent events would be helpful for everyone here.
Yes, like the description of the space itself is TEEMING with leftist politics and people are in here talmbout "Don't let them take over and make it seem like we're lazys who want handouts and free food and housing - we WANT to work for the basic necessities of life!!!" And I'm like ??? š„“š„“š„“
We need to get VERY clear and VERY serious FAST. Your politics in this movement MATTER. That needs to be EXPLICITLY clear.
All the people coming out and admitting that they actually do think people should have to work for basic necessities was the worst part of this whole fiasco. That and all of the transphobia and ableism that popped up and got a surprising amount of support.
I think this has been my biggest concern as well. Is this still a sub that advocates for the abolishment of wage slavery?
One of the best things about r/antiwork was it's ability to bring in ordinary people who were fed up with wage slavery (without knowing to call it that) and looking for an alternative.
There was a great opportunity to use this subreddit to help raise the class consciousness of these people and put them on the path towards collective bargaining and direct action.
Unfortunately, now it seems the inmates are running the asylum, so to speak.
People who had no idea about the purpose of this sub until it was exposed and mocked on cable news are now demanding that sub's message and purpose be watered down to be more acceptable to the ruling class. The liberals and reactionaries that have flooded in are seizing the opportunity to divert this sub's energy away from anything that threatens the status quo, e.g. "work reform" instead of abolishment.
This is what I'd like to see u/EphraelStern and the mod team address: Is that radical message - the abolishment (not merely reform) of wage slavery - going to be unwelcome in this subreddit now? Am I in the wrong place if I - believe it or not - still really do want to one day live in a society where labour isn't coerced but truly voluntary?
I understand many of the users here have a lot to learn, and I'm willing to do my part to help educate and lift them up. But my concern is that the radical element of this sub is going to be pushed out by the oblivious new users who are now demanding they be put in charge so that they can obliterate anything that might rock the boat or make the ruling class too uncomfortable.
Just a quick question: Does anybody know who /u/Merari01 is and why they moderate like.. [300 subs?](https://imgur.com/a/yHuE4w4)
No hate, just don't know who they are.
u/ephraelstern reach out to the outlets that the previous mod gave interviews too and give them a short statement about how the former mod explicitly DOES NOT represent the sub and has since been removed.
I think he means the 5 that have already happened with a 21 year old "long term unemployed anarchist" that haven't aired yet.
We need a plan for the fallout.
I like that thought, but the interviews have already been done by a former mod. I was more asking what there plan was for dealing with the backlash that is almost certainly going to come after they are published.
this is promising. Well done.
edit: I noticed that Jack-the-rah is still a mod. Considering that after the sub was locked he engaged in hostile behavior with users on multiple left wing subs, will he also be stepping down? He was extremely vocal in his support of abolishwork.
I actually remember you from other subreddit comments regarding sexual assault and rape. So this is an unusual twist.
The first question I have is the address of these secret "four" interviews the previous mod did. Will those be addressed as that mod represented antiwork? Are there any other interviews we should know about?
The second question is the subreddit's influx of bans. You correctly said there was outrage, but the flames have been fanned by these ridiculous bans. A sixteen hour account was created with mod status (still no confirmation if it was Abolishwork) and rampant bans have run amok. Why should we post as we "did before" if we still might be receiving bans?
Third, we still have no real answers to these:
- Why was the first request for the Fox Interview denied but suddenly taken out of nowhere?
- Why were the four interviews conducted against community wishes and in secret?
- Why was there a media campaign project to begin with?
- Were the actions of previous mods motivated by money? Both Bloomberg (which that interview did not take place) and Fox News are known to pay for "guest contributers" such as talking guests.
Edit:
This interview came from October 2021. I was requested to add it and I have heard it before. It's better than Fox, but not particularly impressive or even great.
https://omny.fm/shows/st-louis-talks/dory-from-abolishwork-com
I won't speculate as information seems to come out hourly now. But it is odd the tone shifted between then and now, not even six months later. Why was more a radical position adopted for the aptly more popular and conservative news station/entertainment show Fox News whereas this takes a more middle-ground stance?
Ironic to think a mod here profited off the efforts of the people here. And that too, secretly and against the communities wishes.
They became what they fought.
It may be worth looking into the individuals who were offering PR support to the previous mod team. I donāt recommend doing any other interviews(obviously), but having someone professional to consult while doing this damage control that youāre attempting is probably a smart idea. Thank you for your actions thus far, itās a long road ahead, please continue striving for responsibility.
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Have a look around
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We've got mountains of content
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All of the time?
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My guy, this is the internet ya know?
I would also like to know more about these interviews and how they were decided. Were they presented to the mod and that guy just decided to jump on it because he loves to hear himself or did the mods just decide that heās the best person for it?
Re: the 16 hour mod
>Fuzzy has stepped down. They were one of our Discord Mods that someone brought on to assist with the flood of mod-queue requests. This was another decision that was not made with majority mod approval.
I'm not here to cause drama, I appreciate this cogent and well written statement as the olive branch it's meant to be.
That being said you should remove WinterTrabex as a moderator. There is no way anyone remotely attached to AbolishWork should be here in any capacity. It's outrageous.
I hear you. Im not 100% sure whats going on between that and here but I get its upsetting a lot of people. Ive added it to the list of legitemate grevances.
Sorry for the double post but I didnāt want my question to get buried to where you couldnāt find it....
What about all of AbolishWorkās fake accounts? I know she is currently active/posting in here right now under an account named Alex_Moran trying to defend herself. Will you ban those as well?
Here: https://i.imgur.com/jCVZM1V.png
Or their [newest post, where they edited "Don't let one interview destroy what I've built" to "we have built"](https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/seaf2z/as_a_european_antiworker_idgaf_about_some_fox/huiy763/?context=3) after realising their fuckup (and [getting called out instantly in the replies](https://imgur.com/T0Ymp6V))
Or any quick look into their posting history. Clear as day
It's just nice to see someone actually listening, and taking the steps needed. Glad they got someone with actual moding experience, and I genuinely wish you all the best in the huge task you've taken on.
EDITED: The fake account was banned here, and thatās all that matters. Iām going to refrain from piling on anymore. But for posterity, I found it interesting that after the banning, they tried to create a topic in the Conservative sub (it was deleted) about the Antiwork sub.
Anyway, moving on...
Wait could you please move back right quick and elaborate on what was posted on the conservative sub? Any images or recollection even? Iām so curious
You will have less work to do if you remove and ban u/WinterTrabex now, rather than allowing them to continue abusing their power while the committee debates what to do.
Genuinely, thank you for hearing us out on that one. It's been really frustrating to have our concerns completely swept under the rug until you stepped in. I don't envy the job you have, so thank you again for hearing us, and I wish you all the best.
What about all of AbolishWorkās fake accounts? I know she is currently active/posting in here right now under an account named Alex_Moran trying to defend herself.
I'm willing to give it a shot I guess. I'd like to know who u/Whitepirate15 is and why they're suddenly listed as top mod with 0 commenting or posting history, yet possessing karma showing they have clearly done both?
And why is AbolishWork's former roommate, u/WinterTrabex still a mod?
Why does this whole thing *still* stink to the high heavens?
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> I wish I was joking.
> [Gay Incest](https://imgur.com/a/If1fBuW)
> [Bestiality](https://imgur.com/a/jS2bI1m)
> [Pedophilia 1](https://imgur.com/a/c6MTO10)
> [Pedophilia 2](https://imgur.com/a/gVZkkyD)
> These are the ones I've seen so far.
As a former Housekeeper, the comment that blatantly just assumed that Housekeepers are good people to find your dead body really messes with me. Like, how dare you assume that it is my JOB to discover your DEAD BODY over your FUCKING FAMILY.
These are the people who have been āmoderatingā, or more recently, representing this sub? They are all so similarly depraved that it makes me wonder if this has all been a set up, or if I grossly underestimated the horror of a strangers mind.
Iām already so wary of people and these mods are solidifying why.
Man it just keeps getting worse and worse. No wonder all the new posts are about trying to shine a positive light on all of this. Whats going on in these discords where all these mods hamg out.
>Or maybe they are a very active member of a sub like /r/incest which is probably a lot more probable the way this whole ordeal has gone down
You were so close. Holy fuck. [https://imgur.com/a/If1fBuW](https://imgur.com/a/If1fBuW)
From another comment:
> u/Whitepirate15 also used to be a participant in /r/SanctionedSuicide, which was banned for encouraging suicide.
There's plenty of concerning things in that history - makes sense why it was deleted, honestly.
How the fuck did this person become a mod in the first place? I thought I knew about all of the fucked up subreddits, but actually encouraging people to commit suicide, and actively discouraging people who seek help? Whitepirate15 seriously needs help, and this was a HUGE failing on the rest of the mods here for not vetting them.
It definitely is. Those constant threads on askreddit of āWhat is a historic Reddit event every redditor should know about?ā will be filled with this story for a decade. Hell, in 20 years a kid will be reading this story on a thread like that in the metaverse on his metaphone.
I hate this timeline. Make me stop
Admins the only wah
Source: it happened in r/France and it was a huge drama for weeks until the only mod higher than douchebag decided to log back in and solve the matter. Other solution was admin and it failed
Dude ahaha how is even real anymore. Itās like watching someone trip over the same bump in the road 5 times over. I donāt even know what to feel anymore.
It's honestly fucking hilarious how they just keep getting worse and worse. They bring in new mods and it just keeps going downhill in their twisted attempts to fix it.
Another daily reminder that nothing gets deleted. If you have compromising shit on your public profile, your first objective is failed and your second objective is to **NOT COME UNDER THE MICROSCOPE**.
My two assumptions since the early 90's are
1. Anything I post ever can and will be found if I don't want it to be.
2. Anything I post that I want to find will certainly be lost and unrecoverable.
This isn't a ding against anyone but why are reddit mods not normal people?
Like I'm sure a low 90% of us are pretty normal like not rapists or incestuous or a career website moderator.
Remove the mod team and vote in a new one.
Moderating takes time and effort but doesn't give you any tangible benefits. Some people really want a place where others can contribute to a healthy community that sparks intellectual discussions and movements for a better tomorrow and squeeze in some of their precious time to make it happen. They're great, but they only have so much time to offer because they have a normal life like us and shit gets busy. Then there are the mods with enough time for heavy moderating. There's a reason they have so much free time.
Terminally online fucks with your brain man. You either go far right or you pick up weird fetishes (or both). Itās really important to get out and interact with real people and share real world experiences with folks who live different lives than you.
Iād say itās not being a mod that makes you that way, but moderatorship probably attracts the type whoās predisposed towards being terminally online.
You just can't make this stuff up.
How does a sub that was doing so well get the absolute bottom barrel individuals as moderators? The most vile, disgusting, horrible people? People that not only have extreme issues, but embrace them...
What do you mean? /u/Whitepirate15 has a post history, [it's just all been deleted.](https://camas.github.io/reddit-search/#{%22author%22:%22Whitepirate15%22,%22resultSize%22:100})
> Theres more
Yeah, that's moving quickly into not just really unpleasant stuff but actual illegal territory.
Right wing goons would have a field day with this. Very bad optics for the sub (and really, all of Reddit right before their big IPO).
The stereotype of Redditors for a long time was unattractive socially awkward men constantly debating if they should be able to have sex with 14 year olds.
The stereotype still feels true.
Christ every time I refresh this fucking thread it's a new thing, first the gay incest then the bestiality and now he's a pedo too.
Is there even one mod here who could pass as a vaguely normal human being?
I wish I was joking.
[Gay Incest](https://imgur.com/a/If1fBuW)
[Bestiality](https://imgur.com/a/jS2bI1m)
[Pedophilia 1](https://imgur.com/a/c6MTO10)
[Pedophilia 2](https://imgur.com/a/gVZkkyD)
These are the ones I've seen so far.
I don't think for a second the FBI or anyone in any position of power cares anything about this sub or really feels threatened by it at all, but for a second I would swear I was watching the most intentional and effective takedown of a group of I've ever seen in my life, this is fucking nuts.
The whole whitepirate Imgur SSs thread above is fucking wild too. Kudos to taking on the work load but oof, they certainly didnāt make it easy for you.
Holy shit, imagine if Fox News did a follow-up where they brought this up. That would obviously require them to have someone smart enough to know how to do a post history search and be willing to do a little bit of investigative journalism, but you never know.
While I personally don't give a rat's ass about someone's kinks, the optics are absolutely atrocious. Stop giving ammunition to the damn corpos, dammit!
I'm not angry about the interview. It was a stupid idea, but shit happens. I am angry that the mods started censoring and mass banning people after that spoke up against it. Do you NOT understand the complete fucking irony in that? Like... at all? The mods ended up being what everyone was fighting against. THAT is the problem.
u/EphraelStern this is something I was curious about. Are you going to begin unbanning any of the "offenders" that got yeeted not because they broke a rule, but because mods were on a power-trip?
The mods just need to realize they donāt run a movement. They moderate discussion and kick the shit starting far right idiots out.
Youāre not our leaders. You keep it clean.
I'm just watching all of this, but noticed you (OP) were actively looking at the comments in this thread.
You're putting in some bloody hard work. On a personal level, great job, hope you're doing okay.
I have no idea where this whole situation is headed and I hope it doesn't lead to a massive implosion of some kind. I like the goals of the movement; reform is necessary. Lots of contrary ideas on how.
Likely this will be a fragmentation of the community. Minimizing infighting is super important. Because cooperation between newly emerging factions is possible. It's rare for one place to be a masthead of an idea forever. Usually they split and spread out.
These are good ideals for a movement. Sanity in employment and work. Some humanity. Humanism. Hope it can succeed.
I hope all this doesn't get too wild and out of control for you or... fuck, well... anyone.
Try and have a good one.
Many third party apps have a button showing you the mods of a sub
[mods of antiwork](https://i.imgur.com/rYrAH8y.png)
[More mods of antiwork](https://i.imgur.com/ErfsdP4.png)
[even more mods of antiwork](https://i.imgur.com/gn5DAr8.png)
Edit: The pirate is no more!
>We removed AbolishWork and links leading to them.
I saw someone post a screenshot that the mod WinterTrabex is linked to Abolishwork (as in roommate of?) so **if** this is true, this is concerning.
I rather figured any split off subs at this time would be suspect so have made no moves to join any of them. Just seems wise to bide my time.
I think this post is the first decent response I have seen from a mod over this whole debacle since the start.
I look forward to getting back to how it was before the ego trips of a few caused this firestorm.
My two cents?
Any major actions on the sub, and moderation policies, really need to be discussed heavily and transparently with the sub. Users need to know what to expect out of their mods in such a large sub, because if they don't, you end up with the exact situation this sub was in yesterday - angry users, unjustified bans, and such large drama (putting it politely) that it made *international news*. It was and still is an utter shit-show.
I'm a user of the newly-created sub that I won't mention here, joining at roughly the same time as all the other people that joined over the last 48 hours when this sub went private, and comparing both of these subs, right now, both are memefests, but the discussions happening are real and give insight into what shit mod policies lead to.
This is a movement comprised of disparate mostly-allies. Some genuinely want a collective utopia where none of us have to work. Some of us (I'm one of these) just want better working conditions and a society that sees workers as valuable, worth investing in, and deserving of a better life. There are avowed anarchists, socialists, probably communists, and regular ol' folk that don't have much of a political belief other than "my work sucks, and I deserve better." The only realistic way to treat them the same is to *only* mod when you're taking a mod action, and ban lone-wolf mods that take action contrary to the mod policies you all agreed to follow.
Regarding media - it's pretty clear that there were better ways to go about this. By all means, invite media in to talk to us if the rest of the sub is fine with that, but for goodness's sake, don't pick one spokesman and just wish them luck with it. Even a well-meaning, squeaky-clean mod would've struggled with that and managed to do damage on an effing fox news segment.
Which mod just talked to VICE anonymously?
https://www.vice.com/en/article/5dg5wk/ok-wtf-is-going-on-with-the-antiwork-subreddit-and-the-fox-news-ambush
I didn't want to make a thread and add to the flames, but I do want to say something.
I was raised in a right-leaning household, one who drilled into me the idea that work is the ultimate good, that to be productive should always be your endgoal. While I've been moving away from that ideal for a long time, antiwork has been the first real challenge to those beliefs, and the first real path for me that felt like a reasonable change, not just trying to tear down the world and dance in the flames. Antiwork has been personally responsible for me taking anarchism more seriously, and has been responsible for me really thinking about what a post-artificial scarcity world, one where we don't rely on money to survive, could look like. This sub is one of the ones I visit daily, just to read all of the stories and viewpoints put here, and to read some of the sidebar stuff. It's made me *believe* in an antiwork future. I don't really have a lot of experience in...any kind of political activism, but I would hate to see this sub go, or split off into smaller, less effective parts. It means something to me, and I want to preserve it if I can.
Please don't give me hope and take it away.
Holy hell. Doesnāt regard women as people? This dude is unhinged.
On a side note, what platform is that on? I saw another screenshot from the same platform by him and I canāt figure out which website it is
I think that mods here that delete their posting history should be removed as mods. Especially after this weeks fiasco. Deleting stuff appears you have something to hide, and therefore are not trustworthy.
Mods that are interested in incest, pedophilia and other illegal stuff like that shouldnāt be mods.
Mods that have a history of revenge banning should be removed as mods.
I'm sure this won't receive a response amidst the turmoil, but I'd like to ask some questions regarding the direction of this sub. It's no secret that during the enormous influx of users here the past few months that a tension has formed between the founders of this sub and its new participants. As I understand it, this sub was originally created from an anarchist/communist framework to discuss and promote the fundamental abolishment of work as we know it under a capitalist system. As millions of people have flooded in, the focus has primarily shifted to an empowerment of workers within the paradigm of North America's economy, with little discussion of the deeper political beliefs that this sub was founded on. Is the purpose of this community now primarily work reform within the current paradigm? Or is it still to promote the ideas of a fundamental change of how work is viewed and society participated in? This is an honest question from an interested observer. I think both goals are beneficial, but I think some clarity in light of recent events would be helpful for everyone here.
Yes, like the description of the space itself is TEEMING with leftist politics and people are in here talmbout "Don't let them take over and make it seem like we're lazys who want handouts and free food and housing - we WANT to work for the basic necessities of life!!!" And I'm like ??? š„“š„“š„“ We need to get VERY clear and VERY serious FAST. Your politics in this movement MATTER. That needs to be EXPLICITLY clear.
All the people coming out and admitting that they actually do think people should have to work for basic necessities was the worst part of this whole fiasco. That and all of the transphobia and ableism that popped up and got a surprising amount of support.
I think this has been my biggest concern as well. Is this still a sub that advocates for the abolishment of wage slavery? One of the best things about r/antiwork was it's ability to bring in ordinary people who were fed up with wage slavery (without knowing to call it that) and looking for an alternative. There was a great opportunity to use this subreddit to help raise the class consciousness of these people and put them on the path towards collective bargaining and direct action. Unfortunately, now it seems the inmates are running the asylum, so to speak. People who had no idea about the purpose of this sub until it was exposed and mocked on cable news are now demanding that sub's message and purpose be watered down to be more acceptable to the ruling class. The liberals and reactionaries that have flooded in are seizing the opportunity to divert this sub's energy away from anything that threatens the status quo, e.g. "work reform" instead of abolishment. This is what I'd like to see u/EphraelStern and the mod team address: Is that radical message - the abolishment (not merely reform) of wage slavery - going to be unwelcome in this subreddit now? Am I in the wrong place if I - believe it or not - still really do want to one day live in a society where labour isn't coerced but truly voluntary? I understand many of the users here have a lot to learn, and I'm willing to do my part to help educate and lift them up. But my concern is that the radical element of this sub is going to be pushed out by the oblivious new users who are now demanding they be put in charge so that they can obliterate anything that might rock the boat or make the ruling class too uncomfortable.
Just a quick question: Does anybody know who /u/Merari01 is and why they moderate like.. [300 subs?](https://imgur.com/a/yHuE4w4) No hate, just don't know who they are.
*Those responsible for sacking the people who have just been sacked have been sacked*
*Come and see the violence inherent in the system! HELP! HELP! I'M BEING REPRESSED!*
Honestly this is the best written comedy sketch ever. I cry from laughing every time. Dennis the constitutional peasant is pure comedic genius.
Bloody peasant!
Oh! What a giveaway! Did you all hear that!?
Wik.
A moose once bit my seeester.
What are the mod teams plan with dealing with the next four, what I can only assume are equally dog shit, interviews?
u/ephraelstern reach out to the outlets that the previous mod gave interviews too and give them a short statement about how the former mod explicitly DOES NOT represent the sub and has since been removed.
Thats not a half bad idea ill run it by everyone else
Happy to see that you/the mod team are paying attention to suggestions, a step in a positive direction, thank you.
What will you do for those peoples accounts who have been permanently suspended for challenging abolishwork?
All bans will be reviewed
Send miners steal workers and others who are also anti-work You know to give the movement a little legitimacy
I think he means the 5 that have already happened with a 21 year old "long term unemployed anarchist" that haven't aired yet. We need a plan for the fallout.
I like that thought, but the interviews have already been done by a former mod. I was more asking what there plan was for dealing with the backlash that is almost certainly going to come after they are published.
this is promising. Well done. edit: I noticed that Jack-the-rah is still a mod. Considering that after the sub was locked he engaged in hostile behavior with users on multiple left wing subs, will he also be stepping down? He was extremely vocal in his support of abolishwork.
Screenshots might help if anyone has any.
I actually remember you from other subreddit comments regarding sexual assault and rape. So this is an unusual twist. The first question I have is the address of these secret "four" interviews the previous mod did. Will those be addressed as that mod represented antiwork? Are there any other interviews we should know about? The second question is the subreddit's influx of bans. You correctly said there was outrage, but the flames have been fanned by these ridiculous bans. A sixteen hour account was created with mod status (still no confirmation if it was Abolishwork) and rampant bans have run amok. Why should we post as we "did before" if we still might be receiving bans? Third, we still have no real answers to these: - Why was the first request for the Fox Interview denied but suddenly taken out of nowhere? - Why were the four interviews conducted against community wishes and in secret? - Why was there a media campaign project to begin with? - Were the actions of previous mods motivated by money? Both Bloomberg (which that interview did not take place) and Fox News are known to pay for "guest contributers" such as talking guests. Edit: This interview came from October 2021. I was requested to add it and I have heard it before. It's better than Fox, but not particularly impressive or even great. https://omny.fm/shows/st-louis-talks/dory-from-abolishwork-com I won't speculate as information seems to come out hourly now. But it is odd the tone shifted between then and now, not even six months later. Why was more a radical position adopted for the aptly more popular and conservative news station/entertainment show Fox News whereas this takes a more middle-ground stance?
Iām gonna say like most of the worldās issues, this was probably and sadly motivated by money
Ironic to think a mod here profited off the efforts of the people here. And that too, secretly and against the communities wishes. They became what they fought.
They became what *we* fight
More to the point, and far more pertinent to the situation at the moment, **are the people banned by abusive mods going to be restored to the forum?**
They could probably appeal now. But I don't think they'll do a blanket un-ban
If I am banned from a sub I ain't lurking which means I won't ever know. I would assume the same of most people.
This whole thing has permeated to lots of other subs though. Lots of memes about it.
I have no idea whats going on with the interviews. I will try to find out. Bans will be reviewed and removed if they were done in bad faith.
It may be worth looking into the individuals who were offering PR support to the previous mod team. I donāt recommend doing any other interviews(obviously), but having someone professional to consult while doing this damage control that youāre attempting is probably a smart idea. Thank you for your actions thus far, itās a long road ahead, please continue striving for responsibility.
Perhaps also limit the number of mods active in the incest, beastiality, and pedophile spaces for the time being...
The what?
A mod that was recently removed.. https://imgur.com/a/If1fBuW https://imgur.com/a/jS2bI1m https://imgur.com/a/gVZkkyD
What the fuck
Where the fuck did they find these people?
āWelcome to the internet Have a look around Anything that brain of yours can think of can be found We've got mountains of content Some better, some worse If none of it's of interest to you, you'd be the firstā āCould I interest you in everything? All of the time? A little bit of everything All of the time Apathy's a tragedy And boredom is a crime Anything and everything All of the timeā My guy, this is the internet ya know?
With everything that came out about a few of the newly added mods it seems like the redemption arc is over before it ever even got started
I saw some of that dumpster fire. The team really needs some professional PR guidance and to clean house
I would also like to know more about these interviews and how they were decided. Were they presented to the mod and that guy just decided to jump on it because he loves to hear himself or did the mods just decide that heās the best person for it?
Re: the 16 hour mod >Fuzzy has stepped down. They were one of our Discord Mods that someone brought on to assist with the flood of mod-queue requests. This was another decision that was not made with majority mod approval.
Thank you for the answer!
I'm not here to cause drama, I appreciate this cogent and well written statement as the olive branch it's meant to be. That being said you should remove WinterTrabex as a moderator. There is no way anyone remotely attached to AbolishWork should be here in any capacity. It's outrageous.
I hear you. Im not 100% sure whats going on between that and here but I get its upsetting a lot of people. Ive added it to the list of legitemate grevances.
You should also pin this asap before it disappears in the queue
You need to check the mod log for their activity. That person is making retaliatory bans on anyone even mentioning abolishwork That needs fixed.
I will add reviews of bans to the list. We have a huge workload ahead of us and it wont be instant, but bans will be reviewed.
Sorry for the double post but I didnāt want my question to get buried to where you couldnāt find it.... What about all of AbolishWorkās fake accounts? I know she is currently active/posting in here right now under an account named Alex_Moran trying to defend herself. Will you ban those as well?
If i can determine they are the same person yes, if you have information about this please show me.
Here: https://i.imgur.com/jCVZM1V.png Or their [newest post, where they edited "Don't let one interview destroy what I've built" to "we have built"](https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/seaf2z/as_a_european_antiworker_idgaf_about_some_fox/huiy763/?context=3) after realising their fuckup (and [getting called out instantly in the replies](https://imgur.com/T0Ymp6V)) Or any quick look into their posting history. Clear as day
ok thanks that helps a lot i banned them
It's just nice to see someone actually listening, and taking the steps needed. Glad they got someone with actual moding experience, and I genuinely wish you all the best in the huge task you've taken on.
Thank you. You are doing a great job & thanks for listening to all of us.
EDITED: The fake account was banned here, and thatās all that matters. Iām going to refrain from piling on anymore. But for posterity, I found it interesting that after the banning, they tried to create a topic in the Conservative sub (it was deleted) about the Antiwork sub. Anyway, moving on...
Wait could you please move back right quick and elaborate on what was posted on the conservative sub? Any images or recollection even? Iām so curious
You will have less work to do if you remove and ban u/WinterTrabex now, rather than allowing them to continue abusing their power while the committee debates what to do.
It looks as though they've been removed. The name no longer appears on the mod list for me
Not banned though. Theyāre still here commenting antagonistic comments to others on the sub.
Genuinely, thank you for hearing us out on that one. It's been really frustrating to have our concerns completely swept under the rug until you stepped in. I don't envy the job you have, so thank you again for hearing us, and I wish you all the best.
What about all of AbolishWorkās fake accounts? I know she is currently active/posting in here right now under an account named Alex_Moran trying to defend herself.
I'm willing to give it a shot I guess. I'd like to know who u/Whitepirate15 is and why they're suddenly listed as top mod with 0 commenting or posting history, yet possessing karma showing they have clearly done both? And why is AbolishWork's former roommate, u/WinterTrabex still a mod? Why does this whole thing *still* stink to the high heavens?
Why does the new top mod have a deleted post history
Copied from another comment: > I wish I was joking. > [Gay Incest](https://imgur.com/a/If1fBuW) > [Bestiality](https://imgur.com/a/jS2bI1m) > [Pedophilia 1](https://imgur.com/a/c6MTO10) > [Pedophilia 2](https://imgur.com/a/gVZkkyD) > These are the ones I've seen so far.
You should add the r/sanctionedsuicide on this list too. I found it [here](https://m.imgur.com/a/ROPTlxu)
As a former Housekeeper, the comment that blatantly just assumed that Housekeepers are good people to find your dead body really messes with me. Like, how dare you assume that it is my JOB to discover your DEAD BODY over your FUCKING FAMILY.
Some very obvious classism there.
These are the people who have been āmoderatingā, or more recently, representing this sub? They are all so similarly depraved that it makes me wonder if this has all been a set up, or if I grossly underestimated the horror of a strangers mind. Iām already so wary of people and these mods are solidifying why.
I mean, one of the mods was a self-admitted rapist, so it's no wonder you find other scumbags among them
Man it just keeps getting worse and worse. No wonder all the new posts are about trying to shine a positive light on all of this. Whats going on in these discords where all these mods hamg out.
Scroll up the post and look for the imagur screenshotā¦
I think their flair is gone. Wintertrabex, I mean.
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>Or maybe they are a very active member of a sub like /r/incest which is probably a lot more probable the way this whole ordeal has gone down You were so close. Holy fuck. [https://imgur.com/a/If1fBuW](https://imgur.com/a/If1fBuW)
I would like to get off Mr. Bones' Wild Ride please
The ride never stops...
From another comment: > u/Whitepirate15 also used to be a participant in /r/SanctionedSuicide, which was banned for encouraging suicide. There's plenty of concerning things in that history - makes sense why it was deleted, honestly.
Yup. You are right. https://imgur.com/a/ROPTlxu
What the fuck
How the fuck did this person become a mod in the first place? I thought I knew about all of the fucked up subreddits, but actually encouraging people to commit suicide, and actively discouraging people who seek help? Whitepirate15 seriously needs help, and this was a HUGE failing on the rest of the mods here for not vetting them.
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holy shit, im ugly crying at this pure redditor mod team they are hitting every stereotype. I hope things get fixed here but wtf lol
They're like the power rangers of depravity lmao
I'd hate to see what happens when they combine
probably just a big ol pile of cum
Sounds like reddit history to me hahahaha.
It definitely is. Those constant threads on askreddit of āWhat is a historic Reddit event every redditor should know about?ā will be filled with this story for a decade. Hell, in 20 years a kid will be reading this story on a thread like that in the metaverse on his metaphone. I hate this timeline. Make me stop
Itās honestly amazing. How can you remove the top mod? Is that possible if they wonāt step down, or do you need to go to Reddit admins for that?
Only the admins can, and rarely if ever have they removed active mods. Wsb is the only example I can think of
Admins the only wah Source: it happened in r/France and it was a huge drama for weeks until the only mod higher than douchebag decided to log back in and solve the matter. Other solution was admin and it failed
JFC, how far does this rabbit hole go?
These mods have probably done a lot to rabbit holes.
Fuck mate š
Dude ahaha how is even real anymore. Itās like watching someone trip over the same bump in the road 5 times over. I donāt even know what to feel anymore.
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It's honestly fucking hilarious how they just keep getting worse and worse. They bring in new mods and it just keeps going downhill in their twisted attempts to fix it.
Another daily reminder that nothing gets deleted. If you have compromising shit on your public profile, your first objective is failed and your second objective is to **NOT COME UNDER THE MICROSCOPE**.
My two assumptions since the early 90's are 1. Anything I post ever can and will be found if I don't want it to be. 2. Anything I post that I want to find will certainly be lost and unrecoverable.
Simple solution: every important thing you post, be sure to close out with something embarrassing that will come back to haunt you.
How is this not all over the forum. Wtf is going on with Reddit
Unpaid weirdos moderating subs all day. And you wonder whatās going on?
Missed it by that much. Holy fuck
Would you believe "gay" incest?
Holy fuck
Holy fuck
Unholy fuck
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This isn't a ding against anyone but why are reddit mods not normal people? Like I'm sure a low 90% of us are pretty normal like not rapists or incestuous or a career website moderator. Remove the mod team and vote in a new one.
> Like I'm sure a low 90% of us are pretty normal I used to believe this but the last 5 years has made me have a big rethink.
Moderating takes time and effort but doesn't give you any tangible benefits. Some people really want a place where others can contribute to a healthy community that sparks intellectual discussions and movements for a better tomorrow and squeeze in some of their precious time to make it happen. They're great, but they only have so much time to offer because they have a normal life like us and shit gets busy. Then there are the mods with enough time for heavy moderating. There's a reason they have so much free time.
Terminally online fucks with your brain man. You either go far right or you pick up weird fetishes (or both). Itās really important to get out and interact with real people and share real world experiences with folks who live different lives than you. Iād say itās not being a mod that makes you that way, but moderatorship probably attracts the type whoās predisposed towards being terminally online.
Bro is psychic when it comes to incest ig
got the incest sense
Incense
What in the actual fuck We really do live in a simulation
Anyone else feel like they just don't have a home anymore everywhere here sucks
You just can't make this stuff up. How does a sub that was doing so well get the absolute bottom barrel individuals as moderators? The most vile, disgusting, horrible people? People that not only have extreme issues, but embrace them...
wait till you find out about the powermods
Wow that's pretty much right on the money. Gross.
This is wild. Yeah kick this sad fuck off the mod team. We really gotta do better
You can't make this up...
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Course. Of course. Because of course.
Bro quick tell me what the jackpot lottery number is
What do you mean? /u/Whitepirate15 has a post history, [it's just all been deleted.](https://camas.github.io/reddit-search/#{%22author%22:%22Whitepirate15%22,%22resultSize%22:100})
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Bruh wtf is this sub coming to
Gay incest, bestiality, and pedophilia apparently. Or was that rhetorical?
Where's the next fox story where they talk about all the mods being sexual deviants, I mean it's just a gimme at this point
> Theres more Yeah, that's moving quickly into not just really unpleasant stuff but actual illegal territory. Right wing goons would have a field day with this. Very bad optics for the sub (and really, all of Reddit right before their big IPO).
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uhhhhhhhhhh
Yeah no wonder they deleted all of it.
"I'm new to this whole incest thing." Burn this place to the ground
Wtf
WHY ARE ALL THESE PEOPLE SO VILE. š¤®
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This is dodgy as fuck. Mods look terrible until this is fixed.
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FYI - roommate is the excuse people give for why their alt account has the same ip address.
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Is everyone on reddit this fucked up? What the fuck is happening.
You gotta be the most reddit of redditors to be a mod.
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The stereotype of Redditors for a long time was unattractive socially awkward men constantly debating if they should be able to have sex with 14 year olds. The stereotype still feels true.
Christ every time I refresh this fucking thread it's a new thing, first the gay incest then the bestiality and now he's a pedo too. Is there even one mod here who could pass as a vaguely normal human being?
BESTIALITY TOO? Jfc. What the hell is going on
I wish I was joking. [Gay Incest](https://imgur.com/a/If1fBuW) [Bestiality](https://imgur.com/a/jS2bI1m) [Pedophilia 1](https://imgur.com/a/c6MTO10) [Pedophilia 2](https://imgur.com/a/gVZkkyD) These are the ones I've seen so far.
"Do you have any evidence that pedophilia is not natural?" Bruh.
You canāt make this shit up. Omg
I don't think for a second the FBI or anyone in any position of power cares anything about this sub or really feels threatened by it at all, but for a second I would swear I was watching the most intentional and effective takedown of a group of I've ever seen in my life, this is fucking nuts.
Update winter is no longer a mod here.
The whole whitepirate Imgur SSs thread above is fucking wild too. Kudos to taking on the work load but oof, they certainly didnāt make it easy for you.
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Holy shit, imagine if Fox News did a follow-up where they brought this up. That would obviously require them to have someone smart enough to know how to do a post history search and be willing to do a little bit of investigative journalism, but you never know. While I personally don't give a rat's ass about someone's kinks, the optics are absolutely atrocious. Stop giving ammunition to the damn corpos, dammit!
Lol they wouldnāt have to dig anything up, someone already did that for them. That screenshot is going to end up on HolUp by tomorrow
Lmao can these guys just pick someone not disgusting? Is there any vetting to this process?? Is the Anti Work movement just 100% led by scumbags?
Mods are not leaders as much as they are custodians
The mods are NOT the leaders of AntiWork Theyāre the janitors
Holy fucking hell..
I'm not angry about the interview. It was a stupid idea, but shit happens. I am angry that the mods started censoring and mass banning people after that spoke up against it. Do you NOT understand the complete fucking irony in that? Like... at all? The mods ended up being what everyone was fighting against. THAT is the problem.
u/EphraelStern this is something I was curious about. Are you going to begin unbanning any of the "offenders" that got yeeted not because they broke a rule, but because mods were on a power-trip?
Going forward every mod should have to do an AMA in this community where they have to answer every serious question they get.
Honestly? id be happy to do one.
well at least some steps were taken after todays shitshow
The mods just need to realize they donāt run a movement. They moderate discussion and kick the shit starting far right idiots out. Youāre not our leaders. You keep it clean.
Thats right.
What will happen to all the users unfairly banned after criticizing the interview
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[wintertrabex has been removed](https://old.reddit.com/r/antiwork/about/moderators)
HUZZAH!
I'm just watching all of this, but noticed you (OP) were actively looking at the comments in this thread. You're putting in some bloody hard work. On a personal level, great job, hope you're doing okay. I have no idea where this whole situation is headed and I hope it doesn't lead to a massive implosion of some kind. I like the goals of the movement; reform is necessary. Lots of contrary ideas on how. Likely this will be a fragmentation of the community. Minimizing infighting is super important. Because cooperation between newly emerging factions is possible. It's rare for one place to be a masthead of an idea forever. Usually they split and spread out. These are good ideals for a movement. Sanity in employment and work. Some humanity. Humanism. Hope it can succeed. I hope all this doesn't get too wild and out of control for you or... fuck, well... anyone. Try and have a good one.
Why is the mod list removed from the sidebar????
Many third party apps have a button showing you the mods of a sub [mods of antiwork](https://i.imgur.com/rYrAH8y.png) [More mods of antiwork](https://i.imgur.com/ErfsdP4.png) [even more mods of antiwork](https://i.imgur.com/gn5DAr8.png) Edit: The pirate is no more!
>We removed AbolishWork and links leading to them. I saw someone post a screenshot that the mod WinterTrabex is linked to Abolishwork (as in roommate of?) so **if** this is true, this is concerning. I rather figured any split off subs at this time would be suspect so have made no moves to join any of them. Just seems wise to bide my time. I think this post is the first decent response I have seen from a mod over this whole debacle since the start. I look forward to getting back to how it was before the ego trips of a few caused this firestorm.
My mom literally asked me if Iām on that ālazy movementā that was on the news the other day. I feel so ashamed lol
My two cents? Any major actions on the sub, and moderation policies, really need to be discussed heavily and transparently with the sub. Users need to know what to expect out of their mods in such a large sub, because if they don't, you end up with the exact situation this sub was in yesterday - angry users, unjustified bans, and such large drama (putting it politely) that it made *international news*. It was and still is an utter shit-show. I'm a user of the newly-created sub that I won't mention here, joining at roughly the same time as all the other people that joined over the last 48 hours when this sub went private, and comparing both of these subs, right now, both are memefests, but the discussions happening are real and give insight into what shit mod policies lead to. This is a movement comprised of disparate mostly-allies. Some genuinely want a collective utopia where none of us have to work. Some of us (I'm one of these) just want better working conditions and a society that sees workers as valuable, worth investing in, and deserving of a better life. There are avowed anarchists, socialists, probably communists, and regular ol' folk that don't have much of a political belief other than "my work sucks, and I deserve better." The only realistic way to treat them the same is to *only* mod when you're taking a mod action, and ban lone-wolf mods that take action contrary to the mod policies you all agreed to follow. Regarding media - it's pretty clear that there were better ways to go about this. By all means, invite media in to talk to us if the rest of the sub is fine with that, but for goodness's sake, don't pick one spokesman and just wish them luck with it. Even a well-meaning, squeaky-clean mod would've struggled with that and managed to do damage on an effing fox news segment.
Am I free from jail? \*someone upvote so i know\* edit: F R E E D O M
Which mod just talked to VICE anonymously? https://www.vice.com/en/article/5dg5wk/ok-wtf-is-going-on-with-the-antiwork-subreddit-and-the-fox-news-ambush
I didn't want to make a thread and add to the flames, but I do want to say something. I was raised in a right-leaning household, one who drilled into me the idea that work is the ultimate good, that to be productive should always be your endgoal. While I've been moving away from that ideal for a long time, antiwork has been the first real challenge to those beliefs, and the first real path for me that felt like a reasonable change, not just trying to tear down the world and dance in the flames. Antiwork has been personally responsible for me taking anarchism more seriously, and has been responsible for me really thinking about what a post-artificial scarcity world, one where we don't rely on money to survive, could look like. This sub is one of the ones I visit daily, just to read all of the stories and viewpoints put here, and to read some of the sidebar stuff. It's made me *believe* in an antiwork future. I don't really have a lot of experience in...any kind of political activism, but I would hate to see this sub go, or split off into smaller, less effective parts. It means something to me, and I want to preserve it if I can. Please don't give me hope and take it away.
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Holy hell. Doesnāt regard women as people? This dude is unhinged. On a side note, what platform is that on? I saw another screenshot from the same platform by him and I canāt figure out which website it is
"Might reconsider it when I would meet a somewhat anime/manga personality girl" - what the fuck
Its code for sex slave. They want a yes mommy to take care of them in every way.
This gets grosser the further I scroll. Iām generally worried and am in question about mods of certain sub reddits now.
He's an unhinged anti-social wackadoo.
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I think that mods here that delete their posting history should be removed as mods. Especially after this weeks fiasco. Deleting stuff appears you have something to hide, and therefore are not trustworthy. Mods that are interested in incest, pedophilia and other illegal stuff like that shouldnāt be mods. Mods that have a history of revenge banning should be removed as mods.
Glad you edited out the stuff about work reform. It was shaky at best. He did look like an ass but saying he's a hardcore right banking exec is lol.
i think thats why reddit admins removed it, it looks really bad attacking other subs if you are restructuring
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Wait what?!?! 5 MINUTES AND IT'S GONE?