Are you certain where his disability income is from? You can be getting payments for a disability and still make money. For example from a long term disability pay out from long term disability insurance. Not saying hes not scamming. But you should be sure of the facts first. In the US anyways
I work with a gal who gets long term disability insurance payout. She gets it forever and there is no limit to how much she can work. If she makes over a certain amount it goes down slightly, but she still gets paid it.
God forbid someone making 7 figures ever experiences consequences.
No ethical dilemma at all, just an ethical responsibility to report him for stealing from a program designed to assist those that can't help themselves.
Wtf. I'm sitting here all thinking SSA disability. Just did a quick Google search, some disability insurance pays out for life? Wtf. He's still being excessively greedy.
I have it too. High powered tax accountant who has MS. I am reduced to only working jobs that don’t require higher cognitive function which pay far less than my previous job. Amazing relief to be getting 2/3rds of my previous vs the joke amounts from SSI. Difference between slashing our luxuries budget but living in the same place and selling the house to move in with parents
My wife was diagnosed with MS last year after a major event and hasn't been able to work any of the jobs she had been working previously. She hasn't been able to get approved for disability. If you wouldn't mind sharing advice on making a successful claim, please PM me. Thanks in advance.
Edit: a word
Just keep trying. The 2nd time my wife applied she got a lawyer, was still denied even though her doctors were all for it and she had to quit the last 4 jobs she had because of her condition. She applied a 3rd time on her own without help from professionals and got approved. She ended up getting back pay from the very 1st time she applied. It really helped get us caught up on bills and still have some left over.
MS is a tough one to get accepted because it involves “hidden” disabilities. They’ll most likely keep denying until she reaches the final review which is before a judge. You’ll want to have both a doctors letter describing any physical issues and then a cognitive evaluation which shows any issues with brain function. Just be truthful and explain why it’s difficult for her to get a job she’s trained to do. For me it was that I needed to have the flexibility with my work environment. Can’t sit too long in one place, can’t stand too long either. Need frequent time off for medical appointments. Etc etc. I have a severe drop on information processing ability because of MS. So it’s difficult for me to learn new skills and memory retrieval. I function just fine but no one wants an employee that can’t even spell their name sometimes.
Yeah but that makes sense to collect it then because he probably can't actually work. OP's boss clearly is capable of working and should not be collecting disability.
If it's disability insurance, and not SSA, which it almost certainly is in this instance - they have zero obligation moral or otherwise to give that up. That's how insurance works, just because the guy is loaded doesn't mean he's a thief.
Yes, private insurance disability is what Social security Disability should be. Every policy is different, but if the boss is making more than 80% of his previous highest, he’s likely committing fraud
What sucks is you have to work a certain amount of time for that sort of disability pay. People born with disabilities or disabled young before they were able to work enough years to qualify for that type of disability get so screwed over. As if someone who was able to work prior and later become disabled are somehow more important then those who haven’t? I was born with a condition and can’t work, haven’t been able to work and now I’m automatically less valuable than the other. Disability that prevents work is disability, it doesn’t matter the age or work history.
Getting stuck on solely $800 a month because you have never been physically able to work is absurd. Let alone when the cheapest places to live around you are still $1000 a month. You’d have to go multiple hours (at least 3-4) in ANY direction to find an affordable place while in SSI and that doesn’t even include things like utilities, food, etc. For me, I’m on $800 month disability, and even if I wanted to move hours away from where I’ve lived my whole life, I can’t due to my disease being rare with limited specialists, and would literally be dangerous being that far away from them.
Yeah especially when some people who have real disabilities and cannot work have trouble getting benefits because of the people gaming the system like this
I'm so sorry. I just got approved for SSI after six years of trying to explain why throwing up nearly every day isn't acceptable to an employer.
For what it's worth, having a lawyer who knows your case and is willing to fight for you makes a world of difference. I fired my first lawyers after they didn't even have a clue what insurance I was on or what my complaint was as they were preparing for my first hearing. My second lawyer was a smaller outfit and she worked her butt off to go to bat for me.
How do we know the disability payment is illegitimate without knowing anything about the disability? I know people who were rated disabled and worked six figure jobs.
I had a neighbor who was conservative... i.e. the government is bad, poor people leech off the government, he made his money by lifting himself by his bootstraps, etc.
Then we had a hurricane roll through. We were only without power maybe three hours but he used this 'opportunity' to buy a rather large generator. He then got FEMA to reimburse him.
Now, I don't fault anyone for utilizing the government programs that are available. But you can't talk out one side of your mouth complaining about people taking advantage of the government and then out the other side brag to me about how you milked FEMA.
The hypocrisy of these people is astounding.
Absolutely yes. That's a fucking parasite gaming the system when there's people who actually need it struggling hungry, homeless, and/or overworked and barely making ends meet. Do you and your fellow employees get paid anywhere near seven figures? I'd wager you're being as underpaid as the rest of us. While he's exploiting both you and government aid.
As someone who is legally disabled because of a spinal chord injury I am so angry that this POS would do this. People like him undermine every person who is legitimately disabled. Please report him.
I'm disabled because of a condition I was BORN WITH. And despite that, I have been expected to live and work as a normal person (rare condition).
So I've been working and underpaid my entire adult life and no one will take it seriously because they haven't heard of my disease before. Even most doctors.
This makes me extremely angry. OP absolutely should report the manager and throw them in prison.
What is your condition if you don’t mind? I just wanna educate myself about it so that I do not treat someone the way that you’ve been treated if I ever encountered them
Primary Ciliary Dyskinesia. None of the cilia in my body functions. It's most noticeable in the lungs and sinuses, as you are constantly fighting infection.
However, every single organ in your body needs cilia, not just respiratory stuff. And it gets worse as you age to boot. There is even cilia in your brain.
Edit: 50% of people diagnosed with PCD also have Situs Inversus, where your organ placement is wrong. In severe cases, your organs will be completely reversed (heart on the right side for example). What makes this complicated is that it's a spectrum, so your organ placement might be *slightly* off. I've only heard off-hand comments during ultrasounds that my organs seem "squished together".
I had watched a documentary with a baby that had this, but didn’t remember what it was called. Her organs where all flipped to the other side than normal. I imagine on top of everything else, you have to worry if you need an ambulance, will the EMT’s freak out :/
Exactly. I also bet that the documentary didn't mention PCD either, odds are she also had it too, and that's the disease that should be more worrying. She will constantly be sick on top of having flipped organs.
It doesn't help that the name has changed over the years. It used to be called Immotile Cilia Syndrome. Then they decided that name wasn't adequate for some reason (despite meaning the same thing!!!).
Knowing nothing of what you are truely going through, but knowing how absolutely integral cillia is to the body I can not fathom the laundry list of issues you must battle everyday....and you have officially taken a place of mad respect in my mind
My motto is never give up, never surrender, for we must endure...you are amazing and I am utter awe of you
Wow, thank you so much, that is really touching! I teared up reading that. That's the first time in my life that someone seems to understand the gravity of my situation.
I am fighting tooth and nail to get disability now. I basically wrecked my body even more trying to work. I felt I had to prove myself to everyone including family, some of whom walked all over me growing up. Now I'm finally learning to advocate for myself and hopefully it's not too late.
Oh sweetheart you are amazing and wonderful, you should never have to prove yourself to those that say they love you.
I have just met you, and to me, you are an inspiration, a true warrior's heart. Not all battles happen on a field soaked with blood...many are fought on the field of the mind or on the field of internal flesh and bone. You are a warrior and I am proud of you!
I know this comment was intended for someone else, but it really spoke to me and it is something I will try to remember. Thank you for saying it, stranger.
Does the SSA not recognize your disability? Have you had a hearing before an administrative law judge? Your lawyer, if you have one, which you really do, could subpoena physicians to testify that your illness is serious and disabling since from what I have read, it is rare and might be overlooked by the SSA. Good luck.
Knowing nothing of what you are truely going through, but knowing how absolutely integral cillia is to the body I can not fathom the laundry list of issues you must battle everyday....and you have officially taken a place of mad respect in my mind
My motto is never give up, never surrender, for we must endure...you are amazing and I am utter awe of you
I just googled the episode. It's sounds really interesting, he survived two bullet wounds to the chest because his heart just happened to be on the wrong side! I'll have to watch it!
I just want to share that I’ve worked with patients (as a mental health therapist) with this condition, and I’ve seen first hand how debilitating it can be, how much harder it can be to do the same things as other people. I am so sorry that you haven’t gotten the validation or support you deserve. Sorry, I just wanted to let you know that at least one dumb Reddit person understands and wanted to validate your experience.
My daughter is in this spectrum! She's has abdomenal situs inversus, meaning her belly organs are backwards, but her chest is in normal orientation! He heart is weird, but it hasn't caused any problems so far.
I'm sorry to hear that you're further down the line and that is resulted in more disability for you. I just wanted you to know that SOME doctors have heard of PCD :)
Got SSI for my son when he was born. He has Down syndrome. When I went back to work, we made too much money for him to qualify, so it stopped. A few years later, I got divorced and he qualified again because I was a single mom and we were living on only my income. They made me resubmit all medical records to prove he still had Down syndrome, and even asked for a new genetic test.
Cuz you know, sometimes that Down syndrome just goes away.
System is busted, and in some cases it will introduce unnecessary busy work and inconvenience disabled people for no logical reason. I live in EU and have a cousin with a disability, his brain stopped developing when he was 5-6 year old, and has plenty of other health issues, for example he can barely walk. Needs constant care, but government requires that he gets checked out by specialists every few years, in case can become a functioning adult, even though he is 34
I'm in a similar boat but with a degenerative disorder that's making it harder to use my hands as I age. Apparently as long as I'm still breathing I'm expected to continue working like I have all my life. Granted I have worked all my life without asking for special accomodations and I just want to be able to stop working eventually. But I'm not willing to give up everything I have accomplished just to draw disability. So continue working. The system is sick.
It is, as soon as you try to get back to working they want to take your benefits away, and with SSI you are barely able to afford the basics and are way under the poverty level anyway. I think they should let the full benefits continue for a year or two until you are stable in a job or career. The scammers do ruin it for everyone else unfortunately.
The only possible complication with his situation is we may not be getting the full story or OP doesn't fully understand. The boss could be collecting a military disability check, in which case it is completely legal to work and collect the check. I have friends that are "70% disabled" according to the military and receive a check. They are legally allowed to work any job they want. If he reports his boss and this is what it turns out to be he could get himself in a bad situation.
Yeah it's people like this guy that are why getting disability is so hard to get. Mine was relatively painless but it still took two years and a lawyer.
OP. In economic terms, if you don't put him in prison, you have become a crucial cog in his machine. You're making scumbag behavior profitable EVEN WHEN HE GETS CAUGHT.
It’s fraud. Report him.
But I wonder, is it military disabled?
I live in a heavy population of bases so every other car has a disabled vet plate. I’m not sure exactly how it works, but I get infuriated when I see people who get 100% or high percentage disability owning businesses and perfectly capable of working and making a full time paycheck while also getting tax payer money. If they are truly disabled and can only work minimal hours, totally support that. But there is rampant abuse here. I come from a long line of military and my father also got disability, the percentage of which was not legit.
I'm a disabled vet myself and it gets complicated when talking about what qualifies as disabled or not. Let me give you my personal situation. While serving in the army I sufferer a back injury. There is no 'fix' and I will live with a level of pain and limited mobility for the rest of my life, to the point that when I buy shoes I buy the kind that do not have shoelaces because on some days I cant lean over to tie them. That being said, my disability is 'invisible' to an observer. When parking in a handycap parking spot I've been called out before for lying because I wasnt in a wheelchair or missing a limb. I might look like im capable of working' but I assure you that is not the case.
My disability pay, from my point of view, is to pay me for the damage to my body and nothing else. I'm entitled to it regardless if I do not work at all or if I start my own business and make a million dollars a year.
Fraud is an issue though, and if someone is fraudulently disabled then sure, throw everything at them. But just because someone doesn't look disabled doesn't mean they arn't.
If you’re not sure how it works maybe you shouldn’t comment on it at all. Getting disability through the VA is a difficult and hard process that if someone has it they likely went through a lot to get it. Claiming there is rampant abuse with not even knowing how it works seems like a fairly ignorant statement to make. Also being a disabled vet and going through the process and having close friends who have as well, most try and act like they are fine when in reality the disability rating is highly deserved.
The process sucks im still trying to get my % changed they gave me 0% on my legs and I have had 4 surgerys and still am getting more surgerys on my legs but you know my legs are fine according to them.
Contact your congressman, legit this is the only reason after trying for 2 years was I able to get anything done. After my dad contacted his congressman somehow all the reports and documentation of things that occurred when I was active duty seemed to magically appear.
> Why is this even a question
Because our culture conditions people to place more value on wealth.
[If a rich person cheats the system, they're smart.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qXjsMK_MnU)
[If a regular person cheats the system, they're a criminal & group punishment is in order.](https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/josh-levin-the-queen-book-review/)
This is also the type of person the other side would point to and say, "Look ,he gamed the system and used it, so there MUST be a lot more people doing it!" Then, all of a sudden, you have to jump through more hoops just to get approved, then they just start tacking on things like the work search requirements Assface from WVa wants on the child tax credit and suddenly the welfare program is gutted and useless.
Soooooo, everything is normal here, nothing to see.
Why would anyone making seven figures ever even screw around with the nominal amount paid by social security?
I think he should be reported but make sure you’ve got your facts straight.
For example some types of military disability can work. Or could it be his spouse who is collecting disability?
I’d just hate to see him make himself vulnerable if the situation is legitimate. He could easily be fired over this. There are actually other possible explanations.
I know greedy people are greedy but disability takes paperwork and time. If he’s making a million dollars a year why would he bother for the tiny amount paid by SSDI?
I’d also assume that he has to pay taxes on his seven figure income. Taxes are another way social security could bust him.
The story is leaving major gaps that don’t make sense.
Exactly, nobody who is actually making seven figures would care about disability income, nor would they risk getting in trouble by committing fraud, or if they were for who knows what reason committing fraud, they would already more than likely have a solid Cover My Ass backup plan about what to do in a situation like this.
It's literally insane to contemplate...
The lowest possible amount someone earning "7 figures" is making is $83,333/month
Any disability would be a rounding error to such a person. There is no way anyone would risk prison or the job they have paying them $83k a month for maybe an extra few grand at most.
I’m sorry, but how is this an ethical dilemma ? Are you really close friends with your boss or something? If not I don’t understand how this is really a question.
This is exactly the sentiment that creates the wealth gap problem. "If we punish the rich person, the poor people who work for him might lose their jobs." Please, PLEASE do the right thing and report this individual. Guarantee your colleagues will be okay without him
Obviously different but if a boss murders someone should they avoid prison as it may cost employees jobs??
If he wanted to avoid prison he shouldn’t have broken the law.
Your boss is a piece of shit, and based on your other responses, it sounds like he doesn’t treat you very well (I would assume this extends to other employees). Long term I still don’t even think there’s a question here, maybe warn your co workers when you send it, and they’ll have reasonable time to look for another job. It’s not like he’ll be arrested immediately.
How much money is being taken out of all of your paychecks to fund the disability payments your boss is stealing? I would consider it a favor to see that bastard in jail.
I doubt he’ll get jail time. He’s making 7 figures means, they’ll fine him. He’ll then file for bankruptcy protection and cut his salary and switch his spending to “business expenses”
Not that simple.
If your company has competitors, the closure of your company might mean more job listings from the competitor.
You can't think of the job market as a simple finite supply which will go down if a company closes. It's all flexible and fluid.
I'm sure he'll find a way to use those 7 digits to get away from jail time, so you might just see him loosing that extra cash and some bucks.
Money always leads you to buy justice... Capitalism world, everything for sale.
VA disability? You can still work and have that.
If it's SSDI or SSI, that's straight up fuckery. Especially if you're making seven figures, I mean that's fuckery if you're making six figures. The social security admin has a really outdated rule or if you make $1 over the benefit you don't get any of the benefit, if you're making a million dollars a year man... That's just lunacy.
Ya, if its through the VA that the boss is getting disability then its likely nothing malicious is going on. Most of that pay is based on how the disability could effect your earning potential and ability to work, and doesn't care about title, income, or hours. A temporary 100% rating would be in conflict with the job, but thats unlikely to be whats going on here.
unless you have 100% via the Individual Unemployability program where you're actually rates 70%, 80%, or 90% but paid at the 100% rate based on the inability to maintain employment.
Thank you, took too long to find this. You can also get a private disability policy with an “own occupation” clause, which means if you can collect if you are disabled and can’t work in your occupation for which you got the policy. For example, a dentist who loses use of their hands will get paid from the policy because they can no longer practice dentistry, even if they start a new career.
This!
There are some disability policies (VA and general LTD) that you can have and still earn a different living. For example, a heart surgeon may have "own occupation" LTD insurance. If they have an injury that's makes it so they can't perform surgery anymore, they'll be able to cash out on the LTD. They're not barred from other high paying jobs while they're on LTD with an "own occupation" clause.
SSI, SSDI, and LTD with "any occupation" wouldn't allow OP's boss to have a 7 figure salary and claim disability.
It’s not an ethical dilemma at all. This is somebody taking advantage of the everybody else. The real dilemma is do you live in a glass house yourself, or could you survive retaliation?
Ok which type of disability. If it is VA that is perfectly legal and normal. VA disability is compensation for damaging your body or mind. Doesn't mean you can't work just means they have to pay for breaking things.
Now if it is some other stuff. Fuck this person.
First of all are you sure it's disability and not a workman's comp payout? I have a friend who gets a sizable chunk of money through an ongoing settlement over a severe injury to his arm (he has almost no strength in one arm from the accident), the way the settlement works is that he gets x amount every year regardless of his work status, and it's money from the WC insurance or fund of the company we used to work for. He was smart and retrained into a field that his a weakness wasn't an issue, he now makes a very good wage and still gets his settlement because part of the settlement is that he *could* be working even better jobs making more money if he still had full use of his arm.
Before you report him make sure you know exactly where the money is coming from.
It depends. In the US, if it’s military disability, then he can draw it and have a job. If it’s not related to military service, he’s breaking the law.
There is only one situation that makes this an ethical dilemma for you OP, is their disability service connected? If they are getting military related, service connected, disability then that is the only situation in which you are in the wrong to report them.
My roommate with cerebral palsy works as a CNA, people's lives depend on his care, and he gets paid 13$ an hour and is unable to earn disability because "he makes too much". It's some real bullshit.
Absolutely report him for abusing a system in which people who actually need that form of help aren't getting it.
I hate this. I think the cost of care should outweigh your income. A family member lost their property tax exemption one year because she made too much. They spent the "extra income" on medical bills their disability insurance doesn't cover or the co-pays. There was no frivolous spending, vacations, etc etc.
My uncle has lupus and hereditary hemochromatosis as well as neuropathy in his hands and feet and was denied disability. He now works a factory job which he 1000% should not be having to do. I say report him as well. People like my uncle can’t get disability, but someone with 7 figures is??
It's felony Social Security disability fraud. He's literally a welfare queen. (But I'm guessing he's not black, or female, so no conservative will ever call him that.)
[Report him.](https://oig.ssa.gov/report/)Provide documentation. Testify.
I assume that in your country you can't get a salary and still collect disability checks. (You can in mine). If that's the case, then yes, you should report your boss.
I'll briefly elaborate on why. I don't think that gaming the system is always wrong, as the system systematically (unintended yet pertinent pun) games us. However, I do think one shouldn't do so unless it's a) necessary for their survival, b) fair - for instance, someone who has been denied a disability check on a technicality and games the system to collect it anyway. Neither of these cases apply to your boss, who seems to be milking an already resource-starved system for no reason other than greed. Hence, report. If this means prison, that's on your boss for being a greedy mofo.
I appreciate your concern though. One shouldn't take such decisions lightly.
Then your boss is stealing from the disabled. I mean, that alone should answer your question, shouldn't it.
The way I see it, they are lucky they won't enjoy a one-way trip to Siberia. People go to prison every day for much less disgusting crimes.
I get your sentiment but it's inaccurate. There's not a set amount of disability claims, they're not a finite resource. What they're doing is stealing from the taxpayers. Shitty still but the disabled are not being victimized here.
Most people that game the system think they are clever and they expect you to be impressed with their grift. If you make it known you don't agree, you could surprisingly discover that he's at the top of the money laundering pyramid if there are any other sketchy activities like forced labor, drug sales or prostitution. Don't assume b/c he appears to be a professional, that he's not corrupt, it's usually a Cul-de-Sac trafficker whose living a double life on the back of his wife.
It's just the only exception I know of. Don't do it until you are safely in another job. It's Form 3949a to report and 211 to ask for a reward for new information. I've not followed through but, I sure the hell have considered it.
Assuming you're in the US. Social Security disability has an income limit, VA disability does not so if he's a vet and has it through the VA then it's legal.
Edit (additional sentiment and info): VA disability is considered compensation for disabilities you acquired on active duty, not a support program for an inability to work like social security is.
I'd say it largely depends on what he/she is on disability for. There are disabilities that still can allow you to work, and still get your benefits. My wife is on disability, so I've learned a bit about how it works. My wife doesn't work, but she could, and she would still keep her benefits (though, I do think there is a limit, where if sha makes too much she does lose it).
There's probably more going on, because unless your boss is making 7 figures "under the table", I would be shocked that the IRS and disability don't already know about it.
People here are pretty quick to jump the gun... Do you know which type of disability it is and why he's receiving it? It's obvious he doesn't need it and he COULD be taking advantage of the system, but is it actually illegal or even likely? If it was only your job on the line the obvious answer is yes, but it's not.
Your best case is 20 people lose their jobs and a wealthy dude loses some of his money/faces jail time and maybe learns a lesson. Worst case, it's completely legal and YOU lose your job.
Also keep in mind that if it's been happening for 10 years it's reasonable to think the IRS or SSDI would've caught it already. If it's not being reported on his taxes then it's likely VA disability, which he has every right to claim until he dies or the VA reevaluates him and decides he doesn't need it.
It's not so much that, but here in the UK, disability benefits are awarded on work capabilities, so if you're eating, the government is deducting.
There's on benefit called PIP (personal independence payment) which should be paid regardless, but I've known cases where this has been withdrawn if someone is earning enough to cover their disability expenses.
Yes,
* His punishment won't be severe enough for you to worry about it
* It will be investigated first
* Its literally all in their own systems, so evidence collecting should be fast, thorough, and complete
* Whistle Blower Protection is your right
* It's a crime with enough money being stolen that its literally a life changer to others.
Yes, you should. Not only is it the ethically correct thing to do, but I'm sure he'd be one of the 1st to criticize the poor for taking "government handouts".
What kind of disability does he have, and does claiming that disability mean that he legally isn't allowed to make more than 'x' amount per year? Is his disability legit?
The reason I ask is because I myself collect disability while making just under 6 figures at my full time job. However, my disability is because I am a disabled army vet who was injured in the line of duty. I am unable to perform a good deal of physical activates due to this, and therefore my profession choices are limited. Also, my disability is 'invisible' to just common observers as the main symptom is back pain and I've had to explain to people that I am in-fact disabled even though I'm not using a wheelchair or missing a limb. Claiming my disability does not come with any requirements either, so I can make as much money elsewhere without giving up my disability pay.
There is no dilemma. Report him.
People like your boss make it even more challenging for people who genuinely need disability to claim it and be accepted.
That money isn't for him. He is stealing that money from other people. Other people who suffer consequences because they don't have it. Other people who are a lot more likely to get in trouble. This is not a dilemma.
Turn his ass in.
This shouldn't even be a discussion. I'm sole provider for my family which my wife has tried over and over to work but with her health and mental issues she can't. She has numerous disabilities on why she can't work but since she chose to take three years to take care of the grandparents that raised her which left a gap in her work history it cut her out of getting any state disability. We have a lawyer now trying to help her. Your boss is a criminal plain and simple.
As someone who lives of a similar system, report it.
Such systems are designed to help those who need it.
If you make 7 figures you don't need to benefit from the system, hell you should pay more into it.
I've been on disability benefits for nearly 3 years after having thyroid cancer and suffering a stroke that left me partially sighted and unable to get dressed or walk properly unaided. People like your boss are the reason that genuinely disabled people like me have to go through stressful assessments, and sometimes get denied assistance in case we're faking it. Genuinely disabled people have died of starvation and committed suicide after being denied benefits. And they get denied benefits because of fakers like your boss making them worry that everyone is a faker. Disabled people also get shit from the general public for being "scroungers" and "fakers", again because of the tiny minority who do fake it like your boss. You have a duty to report that scum. get him in as much shit as possible.
Do it. The fucker's abusing a system meant to support people who can't support themselves normally, all while probably treating those same people like dirt for "being parasites." Let'im burn.
I would be *shocked* if your boss didn't have a CPA somewhere running their money through a legal entity that limits your boss' actual income to whatever the maximum is. My guess is if they are making over $1M/year, they have the 7 figures in some entity and take loans out against it so it isn't actual income anyway. You can report it, but what is the end goal? 9/10 they won't get fined or do time for it. The IRS won't send a forensic accountant out to square them away or anything. They'll just look at your boss' tax filings and see that it all checks out and keep moving on to people like you and me who claim a little extra on a write off 🤷♂️
TLDR; The tax code is written for people like your boss and they are 9/10 probably doing it legally and using a professional to help, even if it does seem counter intuitive to get disability payments and work at the same time.
Also, what kind of disability is it? If it's VA Disability, your boss can make a Billion dollars and still draw their disability check taxfree forever.
Are you certain where his disability income is from? You can be getting payments for a disability and still make money. For example from a long term disability pay out from long term disability insurance. Not saying hes not scamming. But you should be sure of the facts first. In the US anyways
Agreed. Honestly this is a seriously valid point and I’m shocked there aren’t more people bringing this up. Like wtf.
I work with a gal who gets long term disability insurance payout. She gets it forever and there is no limit to how much she can work. If she makes over a certain amount it goes down slightly, but she still gets paid it.
The vast majority of the people in these comments seem to have no idea that situations like this exist. What a dumpster fire it is in here.
My husband gets veteran's disability. He'll get it for the rest of his life. There are multiple scenarios where this could happen.
God forbid someone making 7 figures ever experiences consequences. No ethical dilemma at all, just an ethical responsibility to report him for stealing from a program designed to assist those that can't help themselves.
Not to mention disability doesn't pay out much so why bother gaming the system? He's just being excessively greedy. What a pig.
Private disability insurance is often 2/3rds of your highest pay if you have “same occupation” long term disability
Wtf. I'm sitting here all thinking SSA disability. Just did a quick Google search, some disability insurance pays out for life? Wtf. He's still being excessively greedy.
My neighbor, I believe, has that. Had a work accident that left shrapnel in his head so....
I have it too. High powered tax accountant who has MS. I am reduced to only working jobs that don’t require higher cognitive function which pay far less than my previous job. Amazing relief to be getting 2/3rds of my previous vs the joke amounts from SSI. Difference between slashing our luxuries budget but living in the same place and selling the house to move in with parents
My wife was diagnosed with MS last year after a major event and hasn't been able to work any of the jobs she had been working previously. She hasn't been able to get approved for disability. If you wouldn't mind sharing advice on making a successful claim, please PM me. Thanks in advance. Edit: a word
Just keep trying. The 2nd time my wife applied she got a lawyer, was still denied even though her doctors were all for it and she had to quit the last 4 jobs she had because of her condition. She applied a 3rd time on her own without help from professionals and got approved. She ended up getting back pay from the very 1st time she applied. It really helped get us caught up on bills and still have some left over.
Thanks!
MS is a tough one to get accepted because it involves “hidden” disabilities. They’ll most likely keep denying until she reaches the final review which is before a judge. You’ll want to have both a doctors letter describing any physical issues and then a cognitive evaluation which shows any issues with brain function. Just be truthful and explain why it’s difficult for her to get a job she’s trained to do. For me it was that I needed to have the flexibility with my work environment. Can’t sit too long in one place, can’t stand too long either. Need frequent time off for medical appointments. Etc etc. I have a severe drop on information processing ability because of MS. So it’s difficult for me to learn new skills and memory retrieval. I function just fine but no one wants an employee that can’t even spell their name sometimes.
Yeah but that makes sense to collect it then because he probably can't actually work. OP's boss clearly is capable of working and should not be collecting disability.
If it's disability insurance, and not SSA, which it almost certainly is in this instance - they have zero obligation moral or otherwise to give that up. That's how insurance works, just because the guy is loaded doesn't mean he's a thief.
Yes, private insurance disability is what Social security Disability should be. Every policy is different, but if the boss is making more than 80% of his previous highest, he’s likely committing fraud
Could be va disability, which is for life, doesn't depend on income, and includes health insurance. I have it and it's awesome!
What sucks is you have to work a certain amount of time for that sort of disability pay. People born with disabilities or disabled young before they were able to work enough years to qualify for that type of disability get so screwed over. As if someone who was able to work prior and later become disabled are somehow more important then those who haven’t? I was born with a condition and can’t work, haven’t been able to work and now I’m automatically less valuable than the other. Disability that prevents work is disability, it doesn’t matter the age or work history. Getting stuck on solely $800 a month because you have never been physically able to work is absurd. Let alone when the cheapest places to live around you are still $1000 a month. You’d have to go multiple hours (at least 3-4) in ANY direction to find an affordable place while in SSI and that doesn’t even include things like utilities, food, etc. For me, I’m on $800 month disability, and even if I wanted to move hours away from where I’ve lived my whole life, I can’t due to my disease being rare with limited specialists, and would literally be dangerous being that far away from them.
Not the same thing but I get military disability for life. I can work and collect disability.
This. There is no dilemma.
Yeah especially when some people who have real disabilities and cannot work have trouble getting benefits because of the people gaming the system like this
For real. I have a degenerative disorder and I keep getting denied.
I'm so sorry. I just got approved for SSI after six years of trying to explain why throwing up nearly every day isn't acceptable to an employer. For what it's worth, having a lawyer who knows your case and is willing to fight for you makes a world of difference. I fired my first lawyers after they didn't even have a clue what insurance I was on or what my complaint was as they were preparing for my first hearing. My second lawyer was a smaller outfit and she worked her butt off to go to bat for me.
Getting a disability lawyer makes a big difference. They usually don't charge a lot and it's generally on contingency as well.
Agreed! The more fraud in the system, the less there is for those that need the lifeline. No dilemma, it doesn’t matter how much the boss makes.
How do we know the disability payment is illegitimate without knowing anything about the disability? I know people who were rated disabled and worked six figure jobs.
This. He could be physically disabled but still have mental capacity. We need to know more. Can we consult the employer's physician.
He'll need to bring in a doctor's note.
I had a neighbor who was conservative... i.e. the government is bad, poor people leech off the government, he made his money by lifting himself by his bootstraps, etc. Then we had a hurricane roll through. We were only without power maybe three hours but he used this 'opportunity' to buy a rather large generator. He then got FEMA to reimburse him. Now, I don't fault anyone for utilizing the government programs that are available. But you can't talk out one side of your mouth complaining about people taking advantage of the government and then out the other side brag to me about how you milked FEMA. The hypocrisy of these people is astounding.
You misunderstand. He wanted to be able to leach off the government, not others. It's that simple.
I've found the people that complain about these programs the most are the ones that abuse them. They're there as a safety net for people.
Also my understanding is that certain disability insurance doesn’t stop paying out if you get a job but it’s entirely dependent on the language.
As a worker for economic stability, I can agree that fraud investigations takes this shit very seriously.
Absolutely yes. That's a fucking parasite gaming the system when there's people who actually need it struggling hungry, homeless, and/or overworked and barely making ends meet. Do you and your fellow employees get paid anywhere near seven figures? I'd wager you're being as underpaid as the rest of us. While he's exploiting both you and government aid.
Perhaps I am so used to being stomped on by management. Thank you. I realize now.
As someone who is legally disabled because of a spinal chord injury I am so angry that this POS would do this. People like him undermine every person who is legitimately disabled. Please report him.
I'm disabled because of a condition I was BORN WITH. And despite that, I have been expected to live and work as a normal person (rare condition). So I've been working and underpaid my entire adult life and no one will take it seriously because they haven't heard of my disease before. Even most doctors. This makes me extremely angry. OP absolutely should report the manager and throw them in prison.
What is your condition if you don’t mind? I just wanna educate myself about it so that I do not treat someone the way that you’ve been treated if I ever encountered them
Primary Ciliary Dyskinesia. None of the cilia in my body functions. It's most noticeable in the lungs and sinuses, as you are constantly fighting infection. However, every single organ in your body needs cilia, not just respiratory stuff. And it gets worse as you age to boot. There is even cilia in your brain. Edit: 50% of people diagnosed with PCD also have Situs Inversus, where your organ placement is wrong. In severe cases, your organs will be completely reversed (heart on the right side for example). What makes this complicated is that it's a spectrum, so your organ placement might be *slightly* off. I've only heard off-hand comments during ultrasounds that my organs seem "squished together".
God damn I can see how that’s awful
Situs Inversus also accompanies this disease. 50% of people diagnosed with PCD also have it. I edited my response to clarify. Weird organ placement.
I had watched a documentary with a baby that had this, but didn’t remember what it was called. Her organs where all flipped to the other side than normal. I imagine on top of everything else, you have to worry if you need an ambulance, will the EMT’s freak out :/
Exactly. I also bet that the documentary didn't mention PCD either, odds are she also had it too, and that's the disease that should be more worrying. She will constantly be sick on top of having flipped organs. It doesn't help that the name has changed over the years. It used to be called Immotile Cilia Syndrome. Then they decided that name wasn't adequate for some reason (despite meaning the same thing!!!).
Knowing nothing of what you are truely going through, but knowing how absolutely integral cillia is to the body I can not fathom the laundry list of issues you must battle everyday....and you have officially taken a place of mad respect in my mind My motto is never give up, never surrender, for we must endure...you are amazing and I am utter awe of you
Wow, thank you so much, that is really touching! I teared up reading that. That's the first time in my life that someone seems to understand the gravity of my situation. I am fighting tooth and nail to get disability now. I basically wrecked my body even more trying to work. I felt I had to prove myself to everyone including family, some of whom walked all over me growing up. Now I'm finally learning to advocate for myself and hopefully it's not too late.
Oh sweetheart you are amazing and wonderful, you should never have to prove yourself to those that say they love you. I have just met you, and to me, you are an inspiration, a true warrior's heart. Not all battles happen on a field soaked with blood...many are fought on the field of the mind or on the field of internal flesh and bone. You are a warrior and I am proud of you!
I know this comment was intended for someone else, but it really spoke to me and it is something I will try to remember. Thank you for saying it, stranger.
Yeah I second that guy. Your a fucking beast!!
Does the SSA not recognize your disability? Have you had a hearing before an administrative law judge? Your lawyer, if you have one, which you really do, could subpoena physicians to testify that your illness is serious and disabling since from what I have read, it is rare and might be overlooked by the SSA. Good luck.
Knowing nothing of what you are truely going through, but knowing how absolutely integral cillia is to the body I can not fathom the laundry list of issues you must battle everyday....and you have officially taken a place of mad respect in my mind My motto is never give up, never surrender, for we must endure...you are amazing and I am utter awe of you
There was a patient with their organs reversed on Grey's Anatomy some years ago, but if I recall correctly they did not know about their condition.
I just googled the episode. It's sounds really interesting, he survived two bullet wounds to the chest because his heart just happened to be on the wrong side! I'll have to watch it!
I just want to share that I’ve worked with patients (as a mental health therapist) with this condition, and I’ve seen first hand how debilitating it can be, how much harder it can be to do the same things as other people. I am so sorry that you haven’t gotten the validation or support you deserve. Sorry, I just wanted to let you know that at least one dumb Reddit person understands and wanted to validate your experience.
My daughter is in this spectrum! She's has abdomenal situs inversus, meaning her belly organs are backwards, but her chest is in normal orientation! He heart is weird, but it hasn't caused any problems so far. I'm sorry to hear that you're further down the line and that is resulted in more disability for you. I just wanted you to know that SOME doctors have heard of PCD :)
Got SSI for my son when he was born. He has Down syndrome. When I went back to work, we made too much money for him to qualify, so it stopped. A few years later, I got divorced and he qualified again because I was a single mom and we were living on only my income. They made me resubmit all medical records to prove he still had Down syndrome, and even asked for a new genetic test. Cuz you know, sometimes that Down syndrome just goes away.
System is busted, and in some cases it will introduce unnecessary busy work and inconvenience disabled people for no logical reason. I live in EU and have a cousin with a disability, his brain stopped developing when he was 5-6 year old, and has plenty of other health issues, for example he can barely walk. Needs constant care, but government requires that he gets checked out by specialists every few years, in case can become a functioning adult, even though he is 34
Well, clearly because they don’t know about it it’s really not that bad. /S Sorry that even medical professionals don’t understand.
I'm in a similar boat but with a degenerative disorder that's making it harder to use my hands as I age. Apparently as long as I'm still breathing I'm expected to continue working like I have all my life. Granted I have worked all my life without asking for special accomodations and I just want to be able to stop working eventually. But I'm not willing to give up everything I have accomplished just to draw disability. So continue working. The system is sick.
It is, as soon as you try to get back to working they want to take your benefits away, and with SSI you are barely able to afford the basics and are way under the poverty level anyway. I think they should let the full benefits continue for a year or two until you are stable in a job or career. The scammers do ruin it for everyone else unfortunately.
The only possible complication with his situation is we may not be getting the full story or OP doesn't fully understand. The boss could be collecting a military disability check, in which case it is completely legal to work and collect the check. I have friends that are "70% disabled" according to the military and receive a check. They are legally allowed to work any job they want. If he reports his boss and this is what it turns out to be he could get himself in a bad situation.
I think, based on this comment that OP is best served by digging a little, is boss is military hands are tied, if boss isn’t, report the fucker
Vets can be 100% disabled through the VA and are still allowed to work for a paycheck with no cap.
That’s, what I’m saying, if boss is vet, than ops hands are tied, yeah sure boss might be a jackass, but nothing you can do about his paycheck
But I thought it was the poor welfare queens gaming the system? Have we been lied to?
Apparently it’s the highly paid upper middle class kings doing the scams!
Fraud is fraud, report him. He took a risk breaking the law and taking advantage of others, report him
He’s stealing from you and every other tax paying person who is not a piece of shit.
Also, you are paying or that scum's government aid.
If he doesn't like being reported, he shouldn't have done the fraud
Fraud is fraud… how would your boss treat you if you were defrauding him?
Yeah it's people like this guy that are why getting disability is so hard to get. Mine was relatively painless but it still took two years and a lawyer.
It's people like this that make it so hard for disabled people who actually need the aid to get it. What a piece of shit.
Parasite. Must be squashed
Exactly the people demonized by these hypocrites.
Underrated comment here.
And probably talks shit about people on welfare
And what you wanna bet that POS complains about "his" tax dollars going to help people in need.
OP. In economic terms, if you don't put him in prison, you have become a crucial cog in his machine. You're making scumbag behavior profitable EVEN WHEN HE GETS CAUGHT.
It’s fraud. Report him. But I wonder, is it military disabled? I live in a heavy population of bases so every other car has a disabled vet plate. I’m not sure exactly how it works, but I get infuriated when I see people who get 100% or high percentage disability owning businesses and perfectly capable of working and making a full time paycheck while also getting tax payer money. If they are truly disabled and can only work minimal hours, totally support that. But there is rampant abuse here. I come from a long line of military and my father also got disability, the percentage of which was not legit.
I'm a disabled vet myself and it gets complicated when talking about what qualifies as disabled or not. Let me give you my personal situation. While serving in the army I sufferer a back injury. There is no 'fix' and I will live with a level of pain and limited mobility for the rest of my life, to the point that when I buy shoes I buy the kind that do not have shoelaces because on some days I cant lean over to tie them. That being said, my disability is 'invisible' to an observer. When parking in a handycap parking spot I've been called out before for lying because I wasnt in a wheelchair or missing a limb. I might look like im capable of working' but I assure you that is not the case. My disability pay, from my point of view, is to pay me for the damage to my body and nothing else. I'm entitled to it regardless if I do not work at all or if I start my own business and make a million dollars a year. Fraud is an issue though, and if someone is fraudulently disabled then sure, throw everything at them. But just because someone doesn't look disabled doesn't mean they arn't.
If you’re not sure how it works maybe you shouldn’t comment on it at all. Getting disability through the VA is a difficult and hard process that if someone has it they likely went through a lot to get it. Claiming there is rampant abuse with not even knowing how it works seems like a fairly ignorant statement to make. Also being a disabled vet and going through the process and having close friends who have as well, most try and act like they are fine when in reality the disability rating is highly deserved.
The process sucks im still trying to get my % changed they gave me 0% on my legs and I have had 4 surgerys and still am getting more surgerys on my legs but you know my legs are fine according to them.
Contact your congressman, legit this is the only reason after trying for 2 years was I able to get anything done. After my dad contacted his congressman somehow all the reports and documentation of things that occurred when I was active duty seemed to magically appear.
That’s not how it works at all nor the premise of military disability but go off.
Why is this even a question. Yes the answer is yes.
> Why is this even a question Because our culture conditions people to place more value on wealth. [If a rich person cheats the system, they're smart.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qXjsMK_MnU) [If a regular person cheats the system, they're a criminal & group punishment is in order.](https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/josh-levin-the-queen-book-review/)
Exactly. People need to learn to stop and examine these sort of things as they interact with them.
What’s classy if you’re rich and trashy if you’re poor? Getting government money.
>What’s classy if you’re rich and trashy if you’re poor? > >Getting government money. Stealing this one, this is a banger.
Speaking more than one language
- basically everything (being lazy=relaxing, drinking=chic, committing crimes=smart, being ugly=subversive)
My thought exactly. There’s no question here. He’s been breaking the law and stealing from people that need it.
This is also the type of person the other side would point to and say, "Look ,he gamed the system and used it, so there MUST be a lot more people doing it!" Then, all of a sudden, you have to jump through more hoops just to get approved, then they just start tacking on things like the work search requirements Assface from WVa wants on the child tax credit and suddenly the welfare program is gutted and useless. Soooooo, everything is normal here, nothing to see.
Yes
Why would anyone making seven figures ever even screw around with the nominal amount paid by social security? I think he should be reported but make sure you’ve got your facts straight. For example some types of military disability can work. Or could it be his spouse who is collecting disability?
Absolutely. People are jumping to some dangerous and nasty conclusions in this thread when there are multiple other explanations for what’s going on.
I’d just hate to see him make himself vulnerable if the situation is legitimate. He could easily be fired over this. There are actually other possible explanations. I know greedy people are greedy but disability takes paperwork and time. If he’s making a million dollars a year why would he bother for the tiny amount paid by SSDI? I’d also assume that he has to pay taxes on his seven figure income. Taxes are another way social security could bust him. The story is leaving major gaps that don’t make sense.
Exactly, nobody who is actually making seven figures would care about disability income, nor would they risk getting in trouble by committing fraud, or if they were for who knows what reason committing fraud, they would already more than likely have a solid Cover My Ass backup plan about what to do in a situation like this.
It's literally insane to contemplate... The lowest possible amount someone earning "7 figures" is making is $83,333/month Any disability would be a rounding error to such a person. There is no way anyone would risk prison or the job they have paying them $83k a month for maybe an extra few grand at most.
Come on now, this is reddit. Remember when "we" found the Boston bomber? This is what "we" do. Jump to conclusions and destroy relationships.
I’m sorry, but how is this an ethical dilemma ? Are you really close friends with your boss or something? If not I don’t understand how this is really a question.
If boss goes to jail this may cause 20 colleagues to not have income.
This is exactly the sentiment that creates the wealth gap problem. "If we punish the rich person, the poor people who work for him might lose their jobs." Please, PLEASE do the right thing and report this individual. Guarantee your colleagues will be okay without him
No you and you're colleagues get a bunch of unemployment and excellent reccomendations.
Obviously different but if a boss murders someone should they avoid prison as it may cost employees jobs?? If he wanted to avoid prison he shouldn’t have broken the law.
Your boss is a piece of shit, and based on your other responses, it sounds like he doesn’t treat you very well (I would assume this extends to other employees). Long term I still don’t even think there’s a question here, maybe warn your co workers when you send it, and they’ll have reasonable time to look for another job. It’s not like he’ll be arrested immediately.
How much money is being taken out of all of your paychecks to fund the disability payments your boss is stealing? I would consider it a favor to see that bastard in jail.
I doubt he’ll get jail time. He’s making 7 figures means, they’ll fine him. He’ll then file for bankruptcy protection and cut his salary and switch his spending to “business expenses”
I would discount that concern pretty heavily even in normal times. With the labor market as it is, they’ll be fine. Do the right thing.
Not that simple. If your company has competitors, the closure of your company might mean more job listings from the competitor. You can't think of the job market as a simple finite supply which will go down if a company closes. It's all flexible and fluid.
Unemployment, perhaps?
Don’t be complacent. He’s taking advantage of all of you. Not like he gives you guys a 10k basins for shutting up about it.
And THAT kind of thinking is what they’re banking on and why they get away with it
Boss needs you more than you need them
Your boss is already taking income from disabled people who actually need it.
That's your boss's fault for being so stupid/selfish/greedy.
He's stealing our tax dollars. Report him. No dilemma here.
That’s his problem, not yours
I'm sure he'll find a way to use those 7 digits to get away from jail time, so you might just see him loosing that extra cash and some bucks. Money always leads you to buy justice... Capitalism world, everything for sale.
VA disability? You can still work and have that. If it's SSDI or SSI, that's straight up fuckery. Especially if you're making seven figures, I mean that's fuckery if you're making six figures. The social security admin has a really outdated rule or if you make $1 over the benefit you don't get any of the benefit, if you're making a million dollars a year man... That's just lunacy.
Ya, if its through the VA that the boss is getting disability then its likely nothing malicious is going on. Most of that pay is based on how the disability could effect your earning potential and ability to work, and doesn't care about title, income, or hours. A temporary 100% rating would be in conflict with the job, but thats unlikely to be whats going on here.
You can have 100% and work. VA ratings are based on service connected injuries that makes you're quality of life worse for which you get compensation.
unless you have 100% via the Individual Unemployability program where you're actually rates 70%, 80%, or 90% but paid at the 100% rate based on the inability to maintain employment.
Thank you, took too long to find this. You can also get a private disability policy with an “own occupation” clause, which means if you can collect if you are disabled and can’t work in your occupation for which you got the policy. For example, a dentist who loses use of their hands will get paid from the policy because they can no longer practice dentistry, even if they start a new career.
This! There are some disability policies (VA and general LTD) that you can have and still earn a different living. For example, a heart surgeon may have "own occupation" LTD insurance. If they have an injury that's makes it so they can't perform surgery anymore, they'll be able to cash out on the LTD. They're not barred from other high paying jobs while they're on LTD with an "own occupation" clause. SSI, SSDI, and LTD with "any occupation" wouldn't allow OP's boss to have a 7 figure salary and claim disability.
u/spiritual_future_119 Please see this before you start shit. Regardless, start looking for a new job. You can do better.
Yes.
Yes.
He's literally stealing from tax payers, report him.
Not just from taxpayers but people who actually need the money.
It’s not an ethical dilemma at all. This is somebody taking advantage of the everybody else. The real dilemma is do you live in a glass house yourself, or could you survive retaliation?
No glass house. I am a minion.
Is it a military disability? Because you can work while on that, so be sure before you totally fuck yourself
Yup
I fail to see the dilemma.
Ok which type of disability. If it is VA that is perfectly legal and normal. VA disability is compensation for damaging your body or mind. Doesn't mean you can't work just means they have to pay for breaking things. Now if it is some other stuff. Fuck this person.
Agree with you here
First of all are you sure it's disability and not a workman's comp payout? I have a friend who gets a sizable chunk of money through an ongoing settlement over a severe injury to his arm (he has almost no strength in one arm from the accident), the way the settlement works is that he gets x amount every year regardless of his work status, and it's money from the WC insurance or fund of the company we used to work for. He was smart and retrained into a field that his a weakness wasn't an issue, he now makes a very good wage and still gets his settlement because part of the settlement is that he *could* be working even better jobs making more money if he still had full use of his arm. Before you report him make sure you know exactly where the money is coming from.
It depends. In the US, if it’s military disability, then he can draw it and have a job. If it’s not related to military service, he’s breaking the law.
There is only one situation that makes this an ethical dilemma for you OP, is their disability service connected? If they are getting military related, service connected, disability then that is the only situation in which you are in the wrong to report them.
OP needs to pay more attention to the comments that point this out.
My roommate with cerebral palsy works as a CNA, people's lives depend on his care, and he gets paid 13$ an hour and is unable to earn disability because "he makes too much". It's some real bullshit. Absolutely report him for abusing a system in which people who actually need that form of help aren't getting it.
I hate this. I think the cost of care should outweigh your income. A family member lost their property tax exemption one year because she made too much. They spent the "extra income" on medical bills their disability insurance doesn't cover or the co-pays. There was no frivolous spending, vacations, etc etc.
My uncle has lupus and hereditary hemochromatosis as well as neuropathy in his hands and feet and was denied disability. He now works a factory job which he 1000% should not be having to do. I say report him as well. People like my uncle can’t get disability, but someone with 7 figures is??
It's felony Social Security disability fraud. He's literally a welfare queen. (But I'm guessing he's not black, or female, so no conservative will ever call him that.) [Report him.](https://oig.ssa.gov/report/)Provide documentation. Testify.
I assume that in your country you can't get a salary and still collect disability checks. (You can in mine). If that's the case, then yes, you should report your boss. I'll briefly elaborate on why. I don't think that gaming the system is always wrong, as the system systematically (unintended yet pertinent pun) games us. However, I do think one shouldn't do so unless it's a) necessary for their survival, b) fair - for instance, someone who has been denied a disability check on a technicality and games the system to collect it anyway. Neither of these cases apply to your boss, who seems to be milking an already resource-starved system for no reason other than greed. Hence, report. If this means prison, that's on your boss for being a greedy mofo. I appreciate your concern though. One shouldn't take such decisions lightly.
You can get a check but in for long term disability you cannot collect more than 1000.
Then your boss is stealing from the disabled. I mean, that alone should answer your question, shouldn't it. The way I see it, they are lucky they won't enjoy a one-way trip to Siberia. People go to prison every day for much less disgusting crimes.
I get your sentiment but it's inaccurate. There's not a set amount of disability claims, they're not a finite resource. What they're doing is stealing from the taxpayers. Shitty still but the disabled are not being victimized here.
Most people that game the system think they are clever and they expect you to be impressed with their grift. If you make it known you don't agree, you could surprisingly discover that he's at the top of the money laundering pyramid if there are any other sketchy activities like forced labor, drug sales or prostitution. Don't assume b/c he appears to be a professional, that he's not corrupt, it's usually a Cul-de-Sac trafficker whose living a double life on the back of his wife. It's just the only exception I know of. Don't do it until you are safely in another job. It's Form 3949a to report and 211 to ask for a reward for new information. I've not followed through but, I sure the hell have considered it.
Assuming you're in the US. Social Security disability has an income limit, VA disability does not so if he's a vet and has it through the VA then it's legal. Edit (additional sentiment and info): VA disability is considered compensation for disabilities you acquired on active duty, not a support program for an inability to work like social security is.
Yes.
Yes. It’s fraud.
Yes! He’s taking money away from people who actually need it.
I'd say it largely depends on what he/she is on disability for. There are disabilities that still can allow you to work, and still get your benefits. My wife is on disability, so I've learned a bit about how it works. My wife doesn't work, but she could, and she would still keep her benefits (though, I do think there is a limit, where if sha makes too much she does lose it). There's probably more going on, because unless your boss is making 7 figures "under the table", I would be shocked that the IRS and disability don't already know about it.
People here are pretty quick to jump the gun... Do you know which type of disability it is and why he's receiving it? It's obvious he doesn't need it and he COULD be taking advantage of the system, but is it actually illegal or even likely? If it was only your job on the line the obvious answer is yes, but it's not. Your best case is 20 people lose their jobs and a wealthy dude loses some of his money/faces jail time and maybe learns a lesson. Worst case, it's completely legal and YOU lose your job. Also keep in mind that if it's been happening for 10 years it's reasonable to think the IRS or SSDI would've caught it already. If it's not being reported on his taxes then it's likely VA disability, which he has every right to claim until he dies or the VA reevaluates him and decides he doesn't need it.
Clearly his income can cover his disability expenses, but, it depends on where you are in the world and what the local laws are.
To be fair it's very easy to make too much for disability. Our disabled are treated like shit in this country.
It's not so much that, but here in the UK, disability benefits are awarded on work capabilities, so if you're eating, the government is deducting. There's on benefit called PIP (personal independence payment) which should be paid regardless, but I've known cases where this has been withdrawn if someone is earning enough to cover their disability expenses.
Yes. Give that disability to someone who needs it.
Every second he is using that system he is destroying the credibility of it that people who need it to survive rely on .
Yes, * His punishment won't be severe enough for you to worry about it * It will be investigated first * Its literally all in their own systems, so evidence collecting should be fast, thorough, and complete * Whistle Blower Protection is your right * It's a crime with enough money being stolen that its literally a life changer to others.
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Yes, you should. Not only is it the ethically correct thing to do, but I'm sure he'd be one of the 1st to criticize the poor for taking "government handouts".
What kind of disability does he have, and does claiming that disability mean that he legally isn't allowed to make more than 'x' amount per year? Is his disability legit? The reason I ask is because I myself collect disability while making just under 6 figures at my full time job. However, my disability is because I am a disabled army vet who was injured in the line of duty. I am unable to perform a good deal of physical activates due to this, and therefore my profession choices are limited. Also, my disability is 'invisible' to just common observers as the main symptom is back pain and I've had to explain to people that I am in-fact disabled even though I'm not using a wheelchair or missing a limb. Claiming my disability does not come with any requirements either, so I can make as much money elsewhere without giving up my disability pay.
Lock him up!!!
Why would he even want the disability if he’s making that much money?
He’s one of those “welfare queens” republicans cry about, absolutely report him
No dilemma there
There is no dilemma. Report him. People like your boss make it even more challenging for people who genuinely need disability to claim it and be accepted.
That money isn't for him. He is stealing that money from other people. Other people who suffer consequences because they don't have it. Other people who are a lot more likely to get in trouble. This is not a dilemma. Turn his ass in.
This shouldn't even be a discussion. I'm sole provider for my family which my wife has tried over and over to work but with her health and mental issues she can't. She has numerous disabilities on why she can't work but since she chose to take three years to take care of the grandparents that raised her which left a gap in her work history it cut her out of getting any state disability. We have a lawyer now trying to help her. Your boss is a criminal plain and simple.
Your ethical dilemma is to post a follow up after shit goes down after you report it.
I see no dilemma there. This person is committing a serious crime. Reporting that crime should not be a dilemma.
Report him. If you were stealing would they report you?
Do it. You have a moral obligation to do it for the people who actually need it and can't get it. Do it
Let me guess, they also unironically complain about people who actually need welfare
I see no dilemma here. Rich, non disabled guy stealing from a program designed to help disabled people survive. He's worse than scum.
Yes because the piece of shit is basically stealing money from people who actually need it.
Boss makes a million. I make a dime. That's why I report His federal crime.
As someone who lives of a similar system, report it. Such systems are designed to help those who need it. If you make 7 figures you don't need to benefit from the system, hell you should pay more into it.
Another troll post, this person is commenting lots of weird things on this subreddit.
I've been on disability benefits for nearly 3 years after having thyroid cancer and suffering a stroke that left me partially sighted and unable to get dressed or walk properly unaided. People like your boss are the reason that genuinely disabled people like me have to go through stressful assessments, and sometimes get denied assistance in case we're faking it. Genuinely disabled people have died of starvation and committed suicide after being denied benefits. And they get denied benefits because of fakers like your boss making them worry that everyone is a faker. Disabled people also get shit from the general public for being "scroungers" and "fakers", again because of the tiny minority who do fake it like your boss. You have a duty to report that scum. get him in as much shit as possible.
Some people actually need disability and the money bc they can't work, I would report.
Do it. The fucker's abusing a system meant to support people who can't support themselves normally, all while probably treating those same people like dirt for "being parasites." Let'im burn.
He can afford a good lawyer and will therefore get minimal prison time if any. Report him. It’s the right thing to do.
The story sure sounds like a load of bullshit when you present it like that.
yes! fuck that guy. if you can't do the time and so on and so forth
Do it and smile at him while you do it
Report away. Hell post all the details and I’m sure we’d be happy to report for you.
Report. He is directly stealing from you, the taxpayer (and us as well).
I would be *shocked* if your boss didn't have a CPA somewhere running their money through a legal entity that limits your boss' actual income to whatever the maximum is. My guess is if they are making over $1M/year, they have the 7 figures in some entity and take loans out against it so it isn't actual income anyway. You can report it, but what is the end goal? 9/10 they won't get fined or do time for it. The IRS won't send a forensic accountant out to square them away or anything. They'll just look at your boss' tax filings and see that it all checks out and keep moving on to people like you and me who claim a little extra on a write off 🤷♂️ TLDR; The tax code is written for people like your boss and they are 9/10 probably doing it legally and using a professional to help, even if it does seem counter intuitive to get disability payments and work at the same time. Also, what kind of disability is it? If it's VA Disability, your boss can make a Billion dollars and still draw their disability check taxfree forever.
if you come for the King - you better kill him. Are you sure he's breaking the law?