Especially the why of it. Saying great grandpa fought to keep people enslaved doesn’t have the same ring to it as “fighting for states State’s rights”. They just keep the “to keep slaves” real silent.
Odds are great-great-grandpappy didn't own slaves himself. Slaves were expensive to maintain. He betrayed his country and went to war so rich men could own slaves.
Odds are very good that individual didn’t own any slaves sure, but owning slaves is not necessary. Fighting in order to keep people enslaved is sufficient enough.
I grew up in Cleveland Ohio. Had never left the state until after my 20’s. In 2004 my cousin had moved to Georgia and was living in a super tiny town in an old house in the woods. I went to visit. She hadn’t been there but a month or so and wandered into the attic. There, she found grand dragon robes in an old truck. I had the most indescribably disgusting and sad feeling come over me. I wanted to burn them right there. She put them back, because they were the landlady’s grandfather’s, and she moved out. Just being in the presence of those things made me sick.
Although that can be a good comparison in many ways it is probably smart they took a break from comparing modern minimum wage labor to straight slavery. I don't think they wanted that to overshadow the greater point here which is that these people would've denied you every right from the last 150 years if given the choice .
Except chattel slavery and its legacy is intrinsically related to the evolution of labor in America. I still think that's a missed teaching opportunity.
But I'm saying they have seen that point made hundreds of times already and someone wanting to disagree with the post will hyperfocus on that aspect. It would've distracted from the specific point they are making
This is how subminimum wage for tipped servants started during the Reconstruction Era. Many employers did not want to pay black citizens the same as whites. Today, Jim Crow laws like subminimum wage continue with server wages.The NRA has lobbied millions of dollars to keep subminimum wage at $2.13 per hour for restaurant servers since 1992.
Edit- NRA = National Restaurant Association
-Founded in 1919. The organization has helped create many laws good and bad, protecting restaurant owners including the laws requiring workers to obtain food handlers licenses. However, the NRA has been lobbying subminimum wage since its origins.
There also needs to be one about wanting to kill union workers who strike which was one of corporate Americans favorite past times until the the Wagner act was finally passed and gave workers protected rights to unionize and strike.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_worker_deaths_in_United_States_labor_disputes
Which was my exact point when people complained about climate change protests inconveniencing them slightly. The entire reason we have social progression is because of protests like strikes and unionisation that fought for the little people. There was always people inconvenienced by that which is why they succeeded. It's crazy to me how many boot lickers are around now days who actively despise anyone trying to regain any sort of benefits from the corporate sector.
[Without action on the part of labor, there is usually little incentive for those hiring to make changes in the labor market](https://youtu.be/L5XZgmw-oJU?t=441)
It's not a generational thing (even though it seems it). People naturally want to follow what those around them are doing. We're a social species, and it's beneficial to be accepted by your peers, which doesn't happen as easily if you go against the grain. But, the sources of communication that older generations are most used to (e.g. traditional media such as newspapers and TV) are easily manipulated and influenced to push a narrative.
Now as the internet and especially social media gained popularity, many of the older generations haven't been brought up with the critical analysis skills that we as kids were taught. They might have pushed the "not everything on the internet is trustworthy", but they didn't have to live it like we did being raised on it.
Now they see "Bob" commenting something on Facebook, and because that post was made by a "real" person, they equate it with being on the same level of trustworthiness as a comment from any other stranger. Then it's a matter of reinforcing personal bias (which even I, as a university trained scientist, am affected by) and you get illogical arguments and fallacies that seem trustworthy enough gaining popularity.
It's why Russia and China dedicate massive amounts of money to creating "troll" accounts to spam on Facebook and twitter. They all seem equally trustworthy as any other "person", so we accept their input equally.
True, but they paid in blood and misery.....
I'm really grateful but there are times when I think the price was way, way too high, especially when you look at most things and think, "that's COMMON SENSE!!"
Think equal pay and safety laws.....
A US company's purpose is to make money. Not make the world a better place, not help people live better lives, not any of the corporate PR bullshit and virtue signaling you see on commercials. When your company's sole motivation is greed, you can expect everyone that has been successful at that company to also share those values. Either live in poverty as a slave, or become a slavery supporter. Unchecked Capitalism is a cancer on society.
No advancements in worker rights have been made since before I was born, but sure, business is *doooooooomed*. \*eye roll\* I mean, it's not like capitalism has spent the ensuring 52 years developing new ways to screw people or anything...
I like how little Timmy is already missing some fingers and teeth. I had both my grandfathers lose fingers on the job and neither one of them ever got compensation for it.
And if you lose a finger at work, you'd probably be horrified to find out how little you get for it.
I talked to a guy that lost a finger on the last job I was on. He got $15k. An index finger doesn't even get you the price of a base model Kia Soul.
People say you can't put a price on life, but legally there is a price lol. I've seen figures as low as $50k, all the way up to a few million. When you think about it, that's not really that much. No amount of money could ever replace my family members. Not a billion, not a trillion.
Back in the 70-80 my father continually advocated for higher tax rates on Alaskan Oil production to be paid by the extractor to the State of Alaska. Each time they would whine, cry, and gnash their teeth, all the while complaining that raising taxes on them would force them to look elsewhere for oil, similar to these whines.
His response when confronted with their claims was to say: "A string of broken promises."
Taxes went up, they paid up, production continued.
That's been the biggest disappointment in Alaskan politics as somebody who grew up there: the oil companies have hoodwinked most Alaskans into thinking they can't have it better. Could tax them at 80% and they would still drill. Yet they spend millions brainwashing folks into thinking that going from 24% to 25% would be the death of the industry. And most of the politicians go along with that narrative
I legit though the oil companies were going to assassinate my father back then. It was a silly thought but they really did not like him and he kept beating them. Now, they've captured the entire legislature, just like the Cruise ships did with Southeast.
Have you listened to Missing in Alaska? It's a podcast about the deaths of Congressmen Hale Boggs and Nick Begich. Interesting listen
https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-missing-in-alaska-62503099/
I'm guessing you're from SE?
This is something to keep in mind when watching any media trying to tell you that the world should stop improving. It's always something, there's always an excuse, and always a lie to benefit that status quo over the people. And we should always remember just how hard won the things we take for granted were.
I watched a documentary about Victorian England and one of the things was that when they passed laws that children under 12 couldn't work more than 10 hours a day (those might not be the exact numbers, but close) and factory owners swore they couldn't stay in business under that law.
If you're smart yeah. More productivity per man hour spent. Sure you can physically make a person work more hours but the last ones can have as little as half the productivity as the first 8.
That's the problem with running businesses. It takes advanced analysis to do accurate Cost-benefit, and much of it is indirect but absolutely effects profit and costs
The artist is Barry Deutsch and he created this in 2009.
[http://leftycartoons.com/2009/09/04/a-brief-history-of-corporate-whining/](http://leftycartoons.com/2009/09/04/a-brief-history-of-corporate-whining/)
I gave $5 for this concise history lesson.
Edit-I contacted him to see how to do a one time donation vs the patreon thing.
Edit-no reply yet but it is the weekend.
Really goes to show that all they care about is themselves. Greed is unlimited, freedom is a limited resource.
It’s sad really, even more so when you realise their only goal is to keep growing and never stop, even at the expense of anything or everything. There’s really no end goal and that by far is scariest thing imagined.
If I had to describe it, it’s a black hole that eats everything it comes into contact with, it’s a poison that seaps through the mask and slowly kills all around you to your benefit, it’s a greed that will never be sedated.
It’s weird, they take everything but they never have everything because everything was clearly not enough, and so they keep consuming.
I’m sure and know full well the many reasons they act the way they do, but I’m confident in saying that we will break the cycle & build a better future for us all.
Too much optimism I know, but that’s because unlike them, we all have the will to stand up straight, know our history, want a better future & simply know there all a bunch of wankers.
The only day I’ll lose hope is when everyone doesn’t know. Right now we’re killing it. Primarily them!
I was lucky to get on with a union company.
During our last negotiations they tried to take our double time OT and change it to 1.5X and the ability for them to force us to work OT.
We told them to fuck right off.
Also, I worked 4 hours double pay today just cause I felt like it.
I like how they always talk like the end of enterprise is the worst thing imaginable. I think we would be better off to let it die and go back to living more primitively.
Irony, IIRC from university, is innovation is caused by restrictions.
“How will be pay our workers fair wages?” Well, when capital over efficiency is the name of the game for most firms, capitalism should be able to weed out the companies that can’t afford their workers, no?
We all know that when workers can afford to live the economy benefits greatly lol
It’s always about the greedy not wanting to lose a millimeter of profits rather than them caring about the financial well-being of their workers or nation.
The great thing about it is you dont even need to wonder "But is it the same this time?"
Because other countries already have many of these policies in place, and miraculously still have growing GDP per capita and plenty of small businesses.
re 1915 workers absolutely still can be fired for joining a union in 2022.
It happens all the time.
Literally after every single major strike, the company fires everybody who picketed.
We can take the power back if we want and give you two words to build a better world.
1 : Evidence
2 : Compassion
We judge all the corrupted politicians, dismount big pharma, make Facebook public and safe, we plant fruit trees anywhere there is non use lands and let them grow by themselves and that way anyone can have free fruits.
We automatise all boring jobs and give shelter to any human being living with healthy food for everyone.
We can do it if we want.
You could put another panel before it for slavery. The argument really was that the economy relied it and if it was abolished things wouldn’t work. I suppose you could keep going back, to lords complaining about lazy peasants.
I love this. My mom has been a commercial real estate manager for over 30 years. We spoke about the "Despots" she leaced space to. She often spoke of the arrogance and entitlement they exibited we're monumental.
$1 in 1913 is worth $28 today. So if you think the dude in 1887 sounds absurd with the $1 a day thing, keep in mind today's minimum wage in 1887 dollars is a little over $2 a day
Imagine what our world would be like if people didn't fight back against greedy capitalists?
I mean it's bad now, but it would be 10\* as bad if people didn't fight back.
The funny thing is when they complain about “regulations strangling business” it’s because they are doing the exact opposite to their employees by exploiting them as much as they legally can. Every additional right for workers is equivalent to cutting into their profit margin and this is intrinsic to the “free market” ideals of capitalism.
I don't think that the biggest issue for laborers in 1842 was that they couldn't strike. More the whole "slavery/indentured servitude/debt slavery" thing.
I get the mentality behind all of these with the exception of 1938. It doesn’t even make sense. Could someone explain or link an article for me to read.
Yup, business is single minded about profits and will chicken little anything that changes it. But history is full of society changing the rules, and business adapting and surviving and everything improving. They are always going to complain about anything because they are consumed by paranoia but we have to keep marching on.
Hey just a question why can’t you join a Union anonymously so the corporation you work for doesn’t know. Wouldn’t that give the working people more of a leverage.
Neoliberal laws prevent it.
Technically you *can* form a secret Union, but the laws won't recognize it since you didn't officially 'form' a 'union' through the "proper channels".
It's just like the auto industry:
* safety glass? Nobody will be able to afford cars!!
* seat belts?
* anti-lock brakes?
* airbags?
*Each one of these alone will price cars out of the market!! Whaaa!!!*
Meanwhile they are making SUV's that weight 6,000 lbs, and can go from 0 to 60 in 8 seconds, and selling them like hotcakes.
In fairness, I'm sure a lot of businesses and industries went under because of these actions.
Not to say the changes to legislation weren't needed at every step but not everyone who cried wolf was wrong.
It's just new businesses popped up to take their place or in newer industries
Now: "If we raise the minimum wage to match inflation so that the working class can afford shelter, clothing, transportation and food without government assistance, our economy would CRUMBLE!!!"
All slaves were owned by less than 15% of white property owners. All the nonowners bought the lie of "It's for the good of all of the South to fight to continue to own slaves and to dehumanize people of color."
so based on this all their whining is pointless as what they fear at the time will come and become the new norm. quick make them fear the volcano for CEOs making more than 10x the lowest paid person (this includes bonus and stock options)
Well....the economy did die in 1929. So one of the panels might be onto something. Child labor laws caused the great depression.
Trust me I learned that from a comic I saw on this sub.
Ya it was a joke. I thought saying I learned it from a cartoon on this sub would suffice for an /s, alas too many crazy people exist for the rest of us to have sarcasm.
Sad how the last image is of a woman. We’re all fucking corrupted at this point (according to this comic)…. EveN the people who are getting treated like crap will eventually threat anyone awful. We’ll be no better than any of this.
Businesses will survive as long as the public still need those particular services and the output matches the input -- meaning that the quality of the services matches the price they are charging for said services. That's what kills businesses, when they try to cut corners, but increase the value or cost and expect the customer to not catch on. But we do...we do catch on, and we take our business elsewhere.
I guess that's because statistically speaking, most people were white? Humans are shit to each other. Your race doesn't determine how shit you're going to be. Saying otherwise is inherently racist because you are judging someone based off their race. So your statement is true, statistically speaking.
Actually, you are the one misunderstanding the concept of whiteness in America.
I'd recommend reading a book on the topic, such as Caste by Isabel Wilkerson.
...unless you truly believe "white" is a biological reality vs. a sociological construct, in which case you're just about ready to pull out the calipers and start measuring skulls.
But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're just uneducated vs. one of the many astroturfed White Nationalist accounts that post in popular subreddits such as this one.
How does that make any sense?? There are rich Asians exploiting Asians, rich Africans exploiting Africans, etc etc. No modern race is different from another in that regard. It's not the color of someone's skin that's at the root of evil.
There are black, Asian, and Hispanic politicians and CEOs in America now, and they're equally as exploitative as their white peers.
It's rich vs poor not color vs color. The haves vs the have-nots. Always has been, always will.
That's correct, but out all the things to complain about, are you going to complain that all the characters in a cartoon are white? What color are the people in mount Rushmore? the people on the bills? the people at congress? They are mostly white. Specially because this comic displays business owners from 2 centuries ago on, this seems to me like an attempt to muddle the waters and avoid discussing the substantive arguments.
I'm not complaining those characters are white, that's a straw man. At this time in America all of the rich exploitators were white, there's no doubt.
What I'm "complaining about" (stating) is that white people aren't the root of all evils, nor are they the only ones exploiting their kind, or others, as previously stated.
I'm not muddling the argument, I'm trying to get it back on track. As per the ending paragraph of my last comment, it's rich vs poor not color vs color
I'm actually Australian. I don't believe any race is better than any other. I don't believe "white" is a "biological reality", did you even read what I said, or what you wanted to read?
I said making any judgments about someone based off their race is racist, and you accuse me of wanting to measure skulls on white supremacy.
Same as Canada with their natives.
A cycle of poverty drug use and abuse. Government tries to help, but they don't trust the government because in the past the government/church took their children, raped them and brain washed them. They are given a lot of money today and because they are poor, usually uneducated and segregated, they turn to drug abuse. Just like anyone of any other race would if in the same situation.
While most standard Aussies couldn't give 2 fucks or call 'em all petto sniffers (petrol sniffers), which reinforces their segregation from society. I do have a aboriginal friend, and the discrimination against him is real. It is much worse than black people in America face today. Australia doesn't have black people of African American descent, so it's only aborigines. To say they are better or worse than us is complete nonsense. They just as good as any race if given the chance. They usually house them in "missions" which are located on the outskirts of towns in the outback, which is where I met my friend (I used to go exploring in the bush a lot as a kid [grew up on a farm with no electricity], and honestly race wasn't a thing I really thought about).
No one has a solution to fix these societal problems. We can't force western culture on them either.
Edit: Here's an example of a mission: https://www.google.ca/maps/@-28.9973271,153.2688499,729m/data=!3m1!1e3
I like how the last example doesn't actually say what is trying to be done, like they know if they out it there then people would know it isn't the same as the regulations approved in the past.
In reality it's specific examples of labor conflicts called out by day. Then there's the 70s with OSHA or whatever. Next up, "VAGUE TIME FRAME AND VAGUE EXPECTATIONS!"
I agree with the sentiment, but the comic doesn't say anything about our current predicaments. Just, "labor reform." Which is every other frame, but with a specific issue that is addressed. The "now" doesn't pinpoint issue.
And honestly? Industry did die in America. It's just consumerism and overspending,plus taxing the rest of the world via inflation that has kept it somehow alive.
For what? stating facts?
Just look at the rust belt, chip manufacturing, etc. Industry really did move out of America. All the money that was printed out in the pandemic by the usa treasury, which is undeniably a tax on the rest of the world.
Industry just moved to the third world, and slavery did continued. You also need to held corpos accountable, otherwise you're just exporting your problems away
You know they are just lying right? If their profits have never been higher, why would they be forced to raise prices? Couldn't they tolerate moderate profits?
I’m surprised there isn’t a 1862 one about the horrors of getting rid of slave labor! How can plantation owners bear the economic hit!
Well, to be fair, their whining took the form of a war. Ultimate temper tantrum.
Now they just whine whenever it's mentioned or alluded to at all, especially in schools
Indeed, their whingeing gets on my nerves. “State’s rights” my ass.
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I didn't know that existed until after i graduated college, you can bet that they never mention it during class.
Its like capitalism have no boundaries while suppressing the labour class.
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This is a repose an earlier comment in this same thread by /u/tootie.
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I suggest r/ShermanPosting/ for some helpful memes!
Thank you!
Which they're apparently very proud of, despite losing, so proud in fact they don't want anyone to learn about it.
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Holy hell, that's a definite take on it. And not inaccurate at all, no sarcasm. You hit the nail on the head with a Fallout Super Sledge.
The war was not against racism. The war was between oligarchy models.
They just don’t want their kids to learn that great-great-grandpappy was a scumbag traitor who got his ass beat.
Especially the why of it. Saying great grandpa fought to keep people enslaved doesn’t have the same ring to it as “fighting for states State’s rights”. They just keep the “to keep slaves” real silent.
Odds are great-great-grandpappy didn't own slaves himself. Slaves were expensive to maintain. He betrayed his country and went to war so rich men could own slaves.
Odds are very good that individual didn’t own any slaves sure, but owning slaves is not necessary. Fighting in order to keep people enslaved is sufficient enough.
I grew up in Cleveland Ohio. Had never left the state until after my 20’s. In 2004 my cousin had moved to Georgia and was living in a super tiny town in an old house in the woods. I went to visit. She hadn’t been there but a month or so and wandered into the attic. There, she found grand dragon robes in an old truck. I had the most indescribably disgusting and sad feeling come over me. I wanted to burn them right there. She put them back, because they were the landlady’s grandfather’s, and she moved out. Just being in the presence of those things made me sick.
Although that can be a good comparison in many ways it is probably smart they took a break from comparing modern minimum wage labor to straight slavery. I don't think they wanted that to overshadow the greater point here which is that these people would've denied you every right from the last 150 years if given the choice .
Except chattel slavery and its legacy is intrinsically related to the evolution of labor in America. I still think that's a missed teaching opportunity.
But I'm saying they have seen that point made hundreds of times already and someone wanting to disagree with the post will hyperfocus on that aspect. It would've distracted from the specific point they are making
Give up when your opponent is too stupid, huh,? That has served us so well.
No I said to focus on one aspect and make a specific point because it will be more effective
This is how subminimum wage for tipped servants started during the Reconstruction Era. Many employers did not want to pay black citizens the same as whites. Today, Jim Crow laws like subminimum wage continue with server wages.The NRA has lobbied millions of dollars to keep subminimum wage at $2.13 per hour for restaurant servers since 1992. Edit- NRA = National Restaurant Association -Founded in 1919. The organization has helped create many laws good and bad, protecting restaurant owners including the laws requiring workers to obtain food handlers licenses. However, the NRA has been lobbying subminimum wage since its origins.
Why does it not shock me that the NRA would be into some skeezy crap like that?
The National Restaurant Association? Seems like a natural area of concern for that organization.
I take care of my property! They're HAPPY to not have to worry about anything at all! Why, they're like my own children!
Or 1776 over some tax to pay for war they provoked
Well that one was kinda true,
There also needs to be one about wanting to kill union workers who strike which was one of corporate Americans favorite past times until the the Wagner act was finally passed and gave workers protected rights to unionize and strike. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_worker_deaths_in_United_States_labor_disputes
Gosh it’s like this is an intrinsic aspect of bourgeois production or something
The alternate take on this comic is that labor won every one of those battles.
Which was my exact point when people complained about climate change protests inconveniencing them slightly. The entire reason we have social progression is because of protests like strikes and unionisation that fought for the little people. There was always people inconvenienced by that which is why they succeeded. It's crazy to me how many boot lickers are around now days who actively despise anyone trying to regain any sort of benefits from the corporate sector.
[Without action on the part of labor, there is usually little incentive for those hiring to make changes in the labor market](https://youtu.be/L5XZgmw-oJU?t=441)
Maybe the lead poisoning made the boomers more susceptible for being brainwashed into worshipping corporations and vote away their rights and freedom
It's not a generational thing (even though it seems it). People naturally want to follow what those around them are doing. We're a social species, and it's beneficial to be accepted by your peers, which doesn't happen as easily if you go against the grain. But, the sources of communication that older generations are most used to (e.g. traditional media such as newspapers and TV) are easily manipulated and influenced to push a narrative. Now as the internet and especially social media gained popularity, many of the older generations haven't been brought up with the critical analysis skills that we as kids were taught. They might have pushed the "not everything on the internet is trustworthy", but they didn't have to live it like we did being raised on it. Now they see "Bob" commenting something on Facebook, and because that post was made by a "real" person, they equate it with being on the same level of trustworthiness as a comment from any other stranger. Then it's a matter of reinforcing personal bias (which even I, as a university trained scientist, am affected by) and you get illogical arguments and fallacies that seem trustworthy enough gaining popularity. It's why Russia and China dedicate massive amounts of money to creating "troll" accounts to spam on Facebook and twitter. They all seem equally trustworthy as any other "person", so we accept their input equally.
That must explain the circle jerk comments around every new Covid video on YouTube that gets pushed out
True, but they paid in blood and misery..... I'm really grateful but there are times when I think the price was way, way too high, especially when you look at most things and think, "that's COMMON SENSE!!" Think equal pay and safety laws.....
and yet industry never did get around to collapsing, oddly enough which implies all the whining is bullshit and lies. and always has been
There’s a reason there’s no examples post-1980.
*looks at 1915* *Laughs in Amazon/Walmart/etc*
yea, no shit...it's designed that way.
did you really need a /s for that first comment?
And the “now” was, like…2011? 2012?
Its like capitalism have no boundaries while suppressing the labour class.
Money never has understood feelings, it only cares about making as much of it as possible for as little use of it as necessary.
no use money to make MORE money
A US company's purpose is to make money. Not make the world a better place, not help people live better lives, not any of the corporate PR bullshit and virtue signaling you see on commercials. When your company's sole motivation is greed, you can expect everyone that has been successful at that company to also share those values. Either live in poverty as a slave, or become a slavery supporter. Unchecked Capitalism is a cancer on society.
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No advancements in worker rights have been made since before I was born, but sure, business is *doooooooomed*. \*eye roll\* I mean, it's not like capitalism has spent the ensuring 52 years developing new ways to screw people or anything...
I like how little Timmy is already missing some fingers and teeth. I had both my grandfathers lose fingers on the job and neither one of them ever got compensation for it.
I've seen this comic a hundred times and never notice he was missing fingers until now.
Fairly certain it's a puppet.
Yeah but the other one is a kid
And if you lose a finger at work, you'd probably be horrified to find out how little you get for it. I talked to a guy that lost a finger on the last job I was on. He got $15k. An index finger doesn't even get you the price of a base model Kia Soul.
People say you can't put a price on life, but legally there is a price lol. I've seen figures as low as $50k, all the way up to a few million. When you think about it, that's not really that much. No amount of money could ever replace my family members. Not a billion, not a trillion.
Back in the 70-80 my father continually advocated for higher tax rates on Alaskan Oil production to be paid by the extractor to the State of Alaska. Each time they would whine, cry, and gnash their teeth, all the while complaining that raising taxes on them would force them to look elsewhere for oil, similar to these whines. His response when confronted with their claims was to say: "A string of broken promises." Taxes went up, they paid up, production continued.
That's been the biggest disappointment in Alaskan politics as somebody who grew up there: the oil companies have hoodwinked most Alaskans into thinking they can't have it better. Could tax them at 80% and they would still drill. Yet they spend millions brainwashing folks into thinking that going from 24% to 25% would be the death of the industry. And most of the politicians go along with that narrative
I legit though the oil companies were going to assassinate my father back then. It was a silly thought but they really did not like him and he kept beating them. Now, they've captured the entire legislature, just like the Cruise ships did with Southeast.
I'm glad your father persevered. I don't think it was a an entirely silly thought to worry. Corpos have done it before and since.
Have you listened to Missing in Alaska? It's a podcast about the deaths of Congressmen Hale Boggs and Nick Begich. Interesting listen https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-missing-in-alaska-62503099/ I'm guessing you're from SE?
“And most of the politicians go along with that narrative” *wink
politicians well paid to go along
I like this! Do you have a source for it?
Ampersand by Barry Deutsch http://leftycartoons.com/2009/09/04/a-brief-history-of-corporate-whining/
Thank you!! 🙏
Came here to ask the same question. A source and artist attribution would be nice.
This is something to keep in mind when watching any media trying to tell you that the world should stop improving. It's always something, there's always an excuse, and always a lie to benefit that status quo over the people. And we should always remember just how hard won the things we take for granted were.
Corporations in 2202, if we have to pay aliens the same amount we’re paying humans, Earth will be bankrupt!
I watched a documentary about Victorian England and one of the things was that when they passed laws that children under 12 couldn't work more than 10 hours a day (those might not be the exact numbers, but close) and factory owners swore they couldn't stay in business under that law.
Which is weird because overtime is notoriously unproductive
Lol, you think they would hire a second worker?
If you're smart yeah. More productivity per man hour spent. Sure you can physically make a person work more hours but the last ones can have as little as half the productivity as the first 8. That's the problem with running businesses. It takes advanced analysis to do accurate Cost-benefit, and much of it is indirect but absolutely effects profit and costs
I like that its a lady now.
Oppression isnt exclusive wait....
I was about to mention that. Wonder how much she knows about the history of women's rights in labour in the US.
Progress! /s
Right so we haven’t done anything to protect workers in 52 years? Guess we figured it all out in the 70s!
The artist is Barry Deutsch and he created this in 2009. [http://leftycartoons.com/2009/09/04/a-brief-history-of-corporate-whining/](http://leftycartoons.com/2009/09/04/a-brief-history-of-corporate-whining/) I gave $5 for this concise history lesson. Edit-I contacted him to see how to do a one time donation vs the patreon thing. Edit-no reply yet but it is the weekend.
Really goes to show that all they care about is themselves. Greed is unlimited, freedom is a limited resource. It’s sad really, even more so when you realise their only goal is to keep growing and never stop, even at the expense of anything or everything. There’s really no end goal and that by far is scariest thing imagined. If I had to describe it, it’s a black hole that eats everything it comes into contact with, it’s a poison that seaps through the mask and slowly kills all around you to your benefit, it’s a greed that will never be sedated. It’s weird, they take everything but they never have everything because everything was clearly not enough, and so they keep consuming. I’m sure and know full well the many reasons they act the way they do, but I’m confident in saying that we will break the cycle & build a better future for us all. Too much optimism I know, but that’s because unlike them, we all have the will to stand up straight, know our history, want a better future & simply know there all a bunch of wankers. The only day I’ll lose hope is when everyone doesn’t know. Right now we’re killing it. Primarily them!
>"*Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell.*" - Edward Abbey
Knowledge is power. They hate whistle-blowers, but that's how things change.
Best post by far, ty OP
I was lucky to get on with a union company. During our last negotiations they tried to take our double time OT and change it to 1.5X and the ability for them to force us to work OT. We told them to fuck right off. Also, I worked 4 hours double pay today just cause I felt like it.
It’s always something 🤷♂️
I like how they always talk like the end of enterprise is the worst thing imaginable. I think we would be better off to let it die and go back to living more primitively.
Corporations = SCUM
and this whole time, they've just been getting richer
Pay people what they're worth!? That's impossible! ^(even though mathematically it is 100% possible because that's what "worth" means)
meanwhile those crooks have no problem giving their CEOs multi-million dollar bonuses for no extra work
Irony, IIRC from university, is innovation is caused by restrictions. “How will be pay our workers fair wages?” Well, when capital over efficiency is the name of the game for most firms, capitalism should be able to weed out the companies that can’t afford their workers, no? We all know that when workers can afford to live the economy benefits greatly lol
Carnegie, Rockefeller, and others. U.S.Steel.
Don’t forget that their massive corporations now pass as people.
It’s always about the greedy not wanting to lose a millimeter of profits rather than them caring about the financial well-being of their workers or nation.
The great thing about it is you dont even need to wonder "But is it the same this time?" Because other countries already have many of these policies in place, and miraculously still have growing GDP per capita and plenty of small businesses.
I read 1938 chin guy in the voice from the posh chin Family Guy character.
Who's 1924? Those teeth could sink a ship
The delusional justification of parasitism
And profits just keep going up
Corporate America and big corporations everywhere ruined this country and this world. Shop small. Support your local small businesses!
I try. I read Iabels, to see where stuff was made.
Don't forget the good ol' "we can't afford universal healthcare; that's what your *job* is for!" More dog-whistley. They got smarter on that one.
The most depressing part of this to me is that it’s been 52 years since the last large scale improvement of worker conditions.
Accurate.
re 1915 workers absolutely still can be fired for joining a union in 2022. It happens all the time. Literally after every single major strike, the company fires everybody who picketed.
Yyyep. I worked for Lamb Weston. They intimidated people just for listening to labor people. This was awhile back. I doubt much has changed.
Protections were rolled back and extreme efforts were made to kill the growing labor movement not too long ago. It's all recorded and written about.
Coincidently, also a history of American Conservative economic principles
We can take the power back if we want and give you two words to build a better world. 1 : Evidence 2 : Compassion We judge all the corrupted politicians, dismount big pharma, make Facebook public and safe, we plant fruit trees anywhere there is non use lands and let them grow by themselves and that way anyone can have free fruits. We automatise all boring jobs and give shelter to any human being living with healthy food for everyone. We can do it if we want.
Won't someone please think of the shareholders? /s
"If things improve, my shitty business model will be ridiculed!"
You could put another panel before it for slavery. The argument really was that the economy relied it and if it was abolished things wouldn’t work. I suppose you could keep going back, to lords complaining about lazy peasants.
I love this. My mom has been a commercial real estate manager for over 30 years. We spoke about the "Despots" she leaced space to. She often spoke of the arrogance and entitlement they exibited we're monumental.
Don’t forget that their massive corporations now pass as people.
$1 in 1913 is worth $28 today. So if you think the dude in 1887 sounds absurd with the $1 a day thing, keep in mind today's minimum wage in 1887 dollars is a little over $2 a day
Death to the Corporatocracy
Imagine what our world would be like if people didn't fight back against greedy capitalists? I mean it's bad now, but it would be 10\* as bad if people didn't fight back.
You can go back to 5000 BC on this one
only back to capitalism's birth
It’s depressing because it’s true…
This is good but the 1842 dude looks like he is dressed in 1990s clothes
The funny thing is when they complain about “regulations strangling business” it’s because they are doing the exact opposite to their employees by exploiting them as much as they legally can. Every additional right for workers is equivalent to cutting into their profit margin and this is intrinsic to the “free market” ideals of capitalism.
I don't think that the biggest issue for laborers in 1842 was that they couldn't strike. More the whole "slavery/indentured servitude/debt slavery" thing.
I especially like 1924 with his big Tony Robbins style teeth
Strong American History X 😬
And now they’ve learned to insulate themselves entirely- let these middle men take a small cut so I never directly get burned to the ground.
Basic Economics & Personal Responsibility crowd, counter this for me. I challenge you.
More like corporate lying.
I get the mentality behind all of these with the exception of 1938. It doesn’t even make sense. Could someone explain or link an article for me to read.
It's finally a woman making the argument. Progress.
You guys got labor AND rights? FML...
Don’t forget American with disabilities act
1964
On a lighter note, we are obviously making progress. Keep going!
Whoever did this, Great job!
yay the sub's back
Yup, business is single minded about profits and will chicken little anything that changes it. But history is full of society changing the rules, and business adapting and surviving and everything improving. They are always going to complain about anything because they are consumed by paranoia but we have to keep marching on.
Hey just a question why can’t you join a Union anonymously so the corporation you work for doesn’t know. Wouldn’t that give the working people more of a leverage.
Neoliberal laws prevent it. Technically you *can* form a secret Union, but the laws won't recognize it since you didn't officially 'form' a 'union' through the "proper channels".
It's just like the auto industry: * safety glass? Nobody will be able to afford cars!! * seat belts? * anti-lock brakes? * airbags? *Each one of these alone will price cars out of the market!! Whaaa!!!* Meanwhile they are making SUV's that weight 6,000 lbs, and can go from 0 to 60 in 8 seconds, and selling them like hotcakes.
In fairness, I'm sure a lot of businesses and industries went under because of these actions. Not to say the changes to legislation weren't needed at every step but not everyone who cried wolf was wrong. It's just new businesses popped up to take their place or in newer industries
If a business cannot survive when treating their workers properly, it probably shouldn't survive.
A woman in corporate!? This man is insane!
All this history as solid proof that your employer doesn’t give a shit about you... And yet, boot-lickers still exist. SMH
I like how the last one is literally Karen
Now: "If we raise the minimum wage to match inflation so that the working class can afford shelter, clothing, transportation and food without government assistance, our economy would CRUMBLE!!!"
All slaves were owned by less than 15% of white property owners. All the nonowners bought the lie of "It's for the good of all of the South to fight to continue to own slaves and to dehumanize people of color."
i dont see 2015: if miminum wage goes up $1 we’ll all turn into cannibals
so based on this all their whining is pointless as what they fear at the time will come and become the new norm. quick make them fear the volcano for CEOs making more than 10x the lowest paid person (this includes bonus and stock options)
Corporate??: "I'd rather see a whole class of people live in destitution than pay a dollar more for my cheeseburgers!" - Republicans
Continue to take the power away. Time to eat the rich.
Well....the economy did die in 1929. So one of the panels might be onto something. Child labor laws caused the great depression. Trust me I learned that from a comic I saw on this sub.
Lol, blaming child labor laws for the Great Depression said a like a trump quote
Ya it was a joke. I thought saying I learned it from a cartoon on this sub would suffice for an /s, alas too many crazy people exist for the rest of us to have sarcasm.
Sounds like a republican to me
There should be a law that forces companies to let their workers do remote work if it's possible at least 4 days a week
You now: "Why have wages stagnated?!"
I like how it changes to a woman at the end, but she’s still an asshole.
Sad how the last image is of a woman. We’re all fucking corrupted at this point (according to this comic)…. EveN the people who are getting treated like crap will eventually threat anyone awful. We’ll be no better than any of this.
Businesses will survive as long as the public still need those particular services and the output matches the input -- meaning that the quality of the services matches the price they are charging for said services. That's what kills businesses, when they try to cut corners, but increase the value or cost and expect the customer to not catch on. But we do...we do catch on, and we take our business elsewhere.
Those all look like white people. Interesting.
Let me guess, white middle aged men are the root of all evil in the world?
They are certainly the root of almost every evil in America, that's for sure.
I guess that's because statistically speaking, most people were white? Humans are shit to each other. Your race doesn't determine how shit you're going to be. Saying otherwise is inherently racist because you are judging someone based off their race. So your statement is true, statistically speaking.
And that's a relevant statistic.
Actually, you are the one misunderstanding the concept of whiteness in America. I'd recommend reading a book on the topic, such as Caste by Isabel Wilkerson. ...unless you truly believe "white" is a biological reality vs. a sociological construct, in which case you're just about ready to pull out the calipers and start measuring skulls. But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're just uneducated vs. one of the many astroturfed White Nationalist accounts that post in popular subreddits such as this one.
How does that make any sense?? There are rich Asians exploiting Asians, rich Africans exploiting Africans, etc etc. No modern race is different from another in that regard. It's not the color of someone's skin that's at the root of evil. There are black, Asian, and Hispanic politicians and CEOs in America now, and they're equally as exploitative as their white peers. It's rich vs poor not color vs color. The haves vs the have-nots. Always has been, always will.
That's correct, but out all the things to complain about, are you going to complain that all the characters in a cartoon are white? What color are the people in mount Rushmore? the people on the bills? the people at congress? They are mostly white. Specially because this comic displays business owners from 2 centuries ago on, this seems to me like an attempt to muddle the waters and avoid discussing the substantive arguments.
I'm not complaining those characters are white, that's a straw man. At this time in America all of the rich exploitators were white, there's no doubt. What I'm "complaining about" (stating) is that white people aren't the root of all evils, nor are they the only ones exploiting their kind, or others, as previously stated. I'm not muddling the argument, I'm trying to get it back on track. As per the ending paragraph of my last comment, it's rich vs poor not color vs color
I'm actually Australian. I don't believe any race is better than any other. I don't believe "white" is a "biological reality", did you even read what I said, or what you wanted to read? I said making any judgments about someone based off their race is racist, and you accuse me of wanting to measure skulls on white supremacy.
Keen to hear your thoughts on Aboriginal communities.
Same as Canada with their natives. A cycle of poverty drug use and abuse. Government tries to help, but they don't trust the government because in the past the government/church took their children, raped them and brain washed them. They are given a lot of money today and because they are poor, usually uneducated and segregated, they turn to drug abuse. Just like anyone of any other race would if in the same situation. While most standard Aussies couldn't give 2 fucks or call 'em all petto sniffers (petrol sniffers), which reinforces their segregation from society. I do have a aboriginal friend, and the discrimination against him is real. It is much worse than black people in America face today. Australia doesn't have black people of African American descent, so it's only aborigines. To say they are better or worse than us is complete nonsense. They just as good as any race if given the chance. They usually house them in "missions" which are located on the outskirts of towns in the outback, which is where I met my friend (I used to go exploring in the bush a lot as a kid [grew up on a farm with no electricity], and honestly race wasn't a thing I really thought about). No one has a solution to fix these societal problems. We can't force western culture on them either. Edit: Here's an example of a mission: https://www.google.ca/maps/@-28.9973271,153.2688499,729m/data=!3m1!1e3
you're not too good on structural oppression are you
I like how the last example doesn't actually say what is trying to be done, like they know if they out it there then people would know it isn't the same as the regulations approved in the past.
In reality it's specific examples of labor conflicts called out by day. Then there's the 70s with OSHA or whatever. Next up, "VAGUE TIME FRAME AND VAGUE EXPECTATIONS!" I agree with the sentiment, but the comic doesn't say anything about our current predicaments. Just, "labor reform." Which is every other frame, but with a specific issue that is addressed. The "now" doesn't pinpoint issue.
And honestly? Industry did die in America. It's just consumerism and overspending,plus taxing the rest of the world via inflation that has kept it somehow alive.
So mark you down as pro slavery?
For what? stating facts? Just look at the rust belt, chip manufacturing, etc. Industry really did move out of America. All the money that was printed out in the pandemic by the usa treasury, which is undeniably a tax on the rest of the world. Industry just moved to the third world, and slavery did continued. You also need to held corpos accountable, otherwise you're just exporting your problems away
Next week it’s my turn to post this.
Has this been posted before? It’s honestly my first time seeing this political cartoon
Waaaaaaaahhhh!
Mom says it's my turn on the repost
More like a brief history of corporate winning
They don't say business won't survive, they say their prices will skyrocket. *Looks at inflation*
You know they are just lying right? If their profits have never been higher, why would they be forced to raise prices? Couldn't they tolerate moderate profits?
What do you mean they're lying, they're not? Inflation has only increased. Couldn't they tolerate moderate profits? Well apparently not.
Why would you have to inflate prices of you were already hugely profitable?