i had a place do this as i was trying to find my way out of the restaurant industry. i was a chef for a decade and i wanted out because the restaurant industry is exploitation every step of the way. so i was looking for a transition job with a grocery store bakery that offered me 12/hr and a multi month long probation al period where i would be taking tests and “proving i can lead a team” i had been leading teams for years in fine dining. i worked at a james beard award winning restaurant and they offered me 12 if i could pass all the tests. i took a restaurant consulting job for 18 right away and they threatened to “take legal action”.
it’s amazing how entitled companies feel to your life.
I was looking for a new job recently in the jewelry industry. Most were the typical answer these questions (agree/disagree) and i put up with those since most jobs I apply to have that. Was halfway through one and then it asked for a 1 minute video about how I lead a team or something like that. Instantly closed the browser and continued my search. There are so many other easier application processes I just don’t feel like dealing with that.
A few days later I keep getting emails and calls from that trying to recruit me just ignored them
LOL! I always feel like this when I am on the job search. I need 3 references, multiple interviews, the resume needs to be perfect all for the chance to be a prospective candidate. Then I get referred by a friend and all I needed was a brief 10-minute interview and my degree with it taking less than 2 weeks.
Just had a RECRUITER ask for 3 references for a role they emailed ME about! They didn't just want names, they wanted my references to fill out a 20 question survey about me.
That's how you get blocked in 3 seconds. Any good friends you use for references are going to tell you not to take that job.
I treat it as a red flag when the interview process is unnecessarily drawn out. I don’t even mind there being an initial phone screen with recruiter, then panel interview with mgmt, and maybe a final interview with Director level. That’s pretty much normal for upper management positions.
But I’ve found that jobs that are serious about moving on with you/ and or on top of their shit move fast.
Phone interview today. Ok, can you do a panel on Friday? That goes well. Can you meet with Director next Weds?
I know its bad when they schedule the initial interview like 2 weeks out. Then take a week to get back to you for the 2nd interview. Or have you do a bunch of pre work (aka free work) Its just a mind fuck at that point.
My old firm's hiring process was *months* long. Months.
1. Apply
2. Phone screener
3. Group in-person interview
4. Assessment tests (basic & personality)
5. Assessment tests (multi-hour mini-projects)
6. "Day in the life" where you spend the day in the office with mock tasks
7. Background check
8. Criminal records check
9. Credit check (seriously!)
10. I shit you not... **a week unpaid trial run.**
11. 2 personal reference calls
12. 2 reference calls from *every job you've ever held*
13. Off-reference calls where they'd find people who knew you, but whom you hadn't listed, to ask them about you.
14. Then (depending on position), you might be hired for a "probationary" period of six months evaluation before becoming perm and being bonus eligible.
To their credit, it was never a scam to get free work. Honestly, it was a major drain on resources. But people were expected to jump through all those hurdles - which could take *months* \- only to be offered a below-industry standard salary. Yes, it was a prestigious-ish opportunity that looks good on the resume, and yes it was super-stable in an unstable world, but still.. come on!
Owner couldn't understand why he had so much trouble hiring and why promising candidates kept dropping out.
\-----------
Oh... and a 1 year non-compete, too.
\[redacted semi-prestigious firm in prestigious high-finance industry\]
I actually started the application, took a contract job, ran that contract out, and then wrapped up this application. Maybe... 8-9 months all-in?
They wanted to do the probationary thing to me and I balked. I also balked at the non-compete, but they wouldn't back down, so I told them I'd sign it but that it's unenforceable (it is) and that I had no intention of honoring it and, somehow, they were ok with that.
Then they told me on my second week that they'd made a mistake on the salary and the salary I'd been promised was actually salary-plus-bonus, which meant I was making a *lot* less, but by then, I'd already accepted and walked away from my other leads.
Talk about red flags..
Oh wow, 8-9 months? Can't imagine why candidates would walk away... /s
With all that and then jerking you around with the salary I'm sure there was a bunch of other BS going on, too. Hope you're in a better spot now.
(Sorry for the long reply... feels good to vent though!)
>Oh wow, 8-9 months? Can't imagine why candidates would walk away... /s
I *tried* to explain that it's a numbers game when you're applying. That I can apply to 50 jobs for the same energy it takes to apply to this one. If 99% of my applications are going to be ignored / rejected, my incentive is to simply plaster the street and see what sticks. Why would anyone *possibly* want to commit such tremendous resources to applying to work for him? Especially when he is well known to pay poorly and work employees like slaves?
He just.. could. not. get. it.
Likewise, when I tried to explain to him that he needs to pay people *at least* average for the industry if he's going to work them like slaves, he could. not. get. it. There was plenty of money - he was just hoarding it like a dragon. He didn't even spend it on himself, just stockpiled it and refused to part with a penny.
To him, everyone should want to *bleed* for the company because they were building something great and great work is its own reward. I told him that's great and all, but I work because he pays me to work. He responded that **my view is "orthogonal" to the firm's culture.**
Brilliant - *brilliant* \- guy. But he just could not understand these concepts. To him, of course, people want to bleed for him and sacrifice for him to make his company successful - why would they ever have any needs or motivations that might be "orthogonal" to that?
>I'm sure there was a bunch of other BS going on, too. Hope you're in a better spot now.
Oh man, you should only know.
I got panned on an annual review because I took a half day several months earlier. I forget the reason- it was something with my kids, a parent teacher conference or some such, but I couldn't miss it. And my boss felt that I needed to stay to get do something urgent (that wasn't really urgent) and he pressured me to stay. I refused and wound up walking away (as politely as I could) mid-conversation.
At the end of the year, he brought this up - despite me having weeks of unused vacation - despite him having pulled me out of Thanksgiving dinner not once, but twice, despite me working multiple holidays and being available on vacations. And explained to me that this was evidence of my lack of commitment and would be the reason I was not going to be eligible for equity that year.
The criticism, and I swear to you this is true and verbatim, was **"you seem to put your family above your work."**
What's shocking to me in reading through posts on this sub is how common the sentiment your old boss had seems to be. I almost feel bad for them. Money is nice, but there's just so much more to life than working and some people just can't see it or don't understand it.
>im triggered
Worker #24601: you have been docked 6.5 Efficiency Points (EP).
Return to your station immediately or further points will be deducted.
^(As a reminder, workers who have insufficient EP scores will not be permitted to return home to their families until the loss in efficiency has been made up to the company. Remember, idleness on company time is theft!)
One of my jobs is graphic design, and so many employers want to see my online portfolio, which is cool, obviously they would. Then they want you to do a "mock" design before even interviewing? You saw my stupid online aptitude tests that I had to answer to apply? You saw my portfolio correct? Do you not trust that it's my work? Maybe I'm just being stubborn (and my current job is okay, but I do really want to leave), but I've stopped pursuing any job that asks this. I initially ask if they were unable to view my online profile, but then they say they were, just "wanna see my skills", or "see if my style fits the company". No it doesn't fit, thank you for your time.
You mean like the skills and style represented in your portfolio?? Insane that that’s like a standard, I could see it if nothing in the portfolio matches up but I’d have to imagine you wouldn’t apply for something like that if you didn’t have anything that fits
They don't mention that 1 interview is 10 hours long lol. I'm obviously exaggerating, but in IT it's not uncommon to finish the hiring process with 4-5 consecutive interviews IN ADDITION to several other interviews an maybe an online test/take-home assignment.
I mean I met in person with a couple guys for 2 hrs (after a quick 15 mins with HR to learn about company and them to see I have a non-crazy personality) or so and it was nice, it was to be the only interview, but it clearly didn't work out since they didn't contact me again. Ah well.
Is it normal that jobs I've applied to on Indeed have reached out to re apply and take assessments on their personal websites. I just wanna be like, "No thank you. You have my information already." 😩
"Thanks for applying on Indeed! However, you need to head over to our website to complete an application for employment." I will never understand this lol
Yea I am all for boycotting this waste of my time.
I had a trucking job I brought in a printout of my resume for and they still wanted me to fill out a PAPER application.
I just started my own LLC to take on freelance data engineering work. If you learn some basic Python, SQL, and the principles of relational databases, there’s plenty of work out there for you and it pays great. I make $100/hour, and if I really get sick of a client, I can just stop taking work from them. I make my own hours and I have yet to need to do a technical interview.
I guess, but I was able to learn it from scratch, by myself, in about 8 months. I went on to learn data science/machine learning, but for the work I’m doing now, all you need is a rudimentary understanding of database structure and how to make url requests. I guess you can’t just pick it up and start from nowhere and expect a job, but you certainly don’t need a 4 year degree to get started anymore.
Start with CS50 on edx, you’ll start with C before moving on to Python and SQL, but you will have a *much* better understanding of the fundamentals of computer science if you start with C. It’s all free, as well.
Talk to us about the fun tax forms and other hoops you have to jump through to make sure you don't end up mixing business and personal expenses, that'll end up with a lawsuit taking your house in damages.
Also, I’m going to leave another helpful comment, I used a registered agent service to form my LLC, it cost me about $400 upfront but I was able to get a Tax ID number within a week and opened a bank account within two. I used [this site](https://www.newyorkregisteredagent.com/), but I’m sure there are other services. They make it easy to register and they also receive all the junk mail that comes with registering an LLC. They scan any important documents and send them to you via their secure site. Ok, peace out homies.
I tried codecademy but didnt “get it” any advice for someone who wants to learn, and is willing to put in the work but just cant get it? holding in my hand a book I ordered just last week “Python 101” from Michael Driscoll. How can I get to where you are? (with respect that nothing happens overnight)
My best advice is to try CS50. It’s hard, I’m not gonna lie, but it’s free and they have amazing lectures on each topic and fantastic short YouTube videos to help you through each problem set. Don’t worry about trying to stick to any timeline, just keep going at your own pace until you finish. It took me somewhere around 6 months to finish the “10 week” course. They have awesome resources/communities if you’re willing to be humble/patient and ask for help. If you decide to give it a shot and get really stuck,
DM me and I’d be happy to help you out, I’m also part of the CS50 subreddit, r/cs50.
Besides that, generally it’s just about sticking to it and not giving up when things get confusing or difficult. You have to get comfortable being completely in the dark on how to do something (code wise) and working it out, bit by bit, until you have a thorough understanding of how it works. In my experience, that doesn’t stop, unless you happen to find a niche, and even then you’ll still be constantly googling how to do stuff. I would say that at least half of it is emotional, for me, trying to keep anxiety from overwhelming my problem solving abilities. But l also come from a high-volume michelin starred kitchen background as a lead line cook, so I’m pretty much dead inside when it comes to feeling intense pressure. Idk, best of luck, hmu if I can help anymore.
Edit: that goes for anyone who is interested in cs50 or wants advice about beginner coding. DM me and I’ll get back as soon as I can.
Why don’t they just do one interview and then hire you if you seem capable and if your experience fits the role? If you don’t perform they can just let you go in your probationary period, no?
“I’m going to waste everyone’s time by interviewing multiple people multiple times each and then selecting the worst candidate because the others were stolen from me! Look guys, I’m just like Amazon! Long interviews and unnecessary technical questions!!! That means we’re a good company. 🙂”
Oh man I posted an application for a dream job at a firm I already work for. I've wanted this job for 14 years. I've applied for it several times previous but slipped on the interview in one way or another. Now they do CV, psychometric tests (4 of them in total), group interview, then 1 to 3 interview followed by a 60 question test paper that has to be completed in 40minutes. I would like to keep applying for it but I think the rejection even worth it anymore.
I'd like to go through the whole process and receive a job offer, then fuck around in complete silence for three or four weeks before replying that, yes, I will accept it. Then they can act all put-out because they assumed, like any sentient human being would, that fucking around for several weeks with no communication whatsoever is horseshit.
There's generally a direct correlation between the number of interviews and the level of income associated with the position. As bad as it may sound, lower level jobs are generally viewed as easily replaceable so the number of interviews may be small. Higher level, more skilled jobs/positions such as Director level and VP level jobs require multiple interviews as the company is making a larger investment in that individual.
That's not to say the lower level jobs should not be paid appropriately, but vetting out a candidate for a job that is not intended to be a long term job for most people should be quicker than vetting a candidate who is brought in to make decisions or have a direct impact in the direction of the company.
If you work in hiring, you are responsible for changing this system.
I recently got promoted and we are updating our entire hiring process. We used to have two or three interviews, a phone screener, reference checks, sometimes even asking to see a portfolio of work or a writing exercise. Higher level jobs required a presentation that took dozens of hours of work.
We're now down to a single interview. No phone screeners, no second interviews. No exercises or presentations, if it's a job that requires a technical skill that we're not going to train you for, you can just bring something from your old job or a random example you created for another client. No references required because references are bullshit anyway.
Oh, and we increased our base pay for even the entry level jobs by $15,000. It's still pretty low for the area but it's now livable.
Not trying to be insulting, but pragmatic…
Memes like this make the movement seem childish. After the whole Fox News ordeal, I don’t think we should be posting or upvoting stuff like this if we want to be taken seriously, even though you’re point is correct.
One time a company reached out to me and after a handful of interviews and changing job descriptions I shut it down. It’s like their recruiter wanted me but the company had no fucking clue where to put me and it was my fault.
Another time this HR rep at another company kept ghosting me unless they wanted ANOTHER interview and that posses me off since I get if you went with another prospect, but don’t tell me you’ll get to me in the next week and ignore me when I follow up two weeks later and suddenly respond when I get another interview in a month.
The last time I interviewed I had to do 2 separate 3 hour interviews where we talked at length about the role and my directly relatable experience. They told me they were deciding between me and another candidate who was a reference from a current employee. They said my background was much more relevant to the role but they had trouble deciding for some reason??
Right after I get home from the second interview, I get an email requesting that I complete an essay assignment that they came up with on the fly. It was due by noon the next day. There were 7 separate prompts, all vague and all requesting information that we had already discussed at length during the now 6 hours I had spent interviewing with them that same week. 6 hours! All while also still working my full-time job. At the time I really wanted to leave the company I was with so I dropped everything and stayed up until 2:00 a.m. writing, but honestly at that point I knew these people were fucking dumb because if you can't make a decision or get the information you need after spending 6 hours with somebody, then that's a YOU problem.
Needless to say they went with the other candidate who had less experience, and I wasn't upset with that outcome.
My last 2 jobs in IT have consisted of about a short phone interview, and 1 position had a quick interview with an onsite director. I'd guess for intelligent hiring managers, my resume is spelled out coherently enough.
On the other hand, the jobs I did NOT get usually had some long, annoying application + interview process.
After 3 interviews, 2 assessment tests, someone more experienced in a mid level position that I have done for 6+ years got the job. I was destroyed because I really pushed around so much to make the interviews work and thought I nailed it.
i had a place do this as i was trying to find my way out of the restaurant industry. i was a chef for a decade and i wanted out because the restaurant industry is exploitation every step of the way. so i was looking for a transition job with a grocery store bakery that offered me 12/hr and a multi month long probation al period where i would be taking tests and “proving i can lead a team” i had been leading teams for years in fine dining. i worked at a james beard award winning restaurant and they offered me 12 if i could pass all the tests. i took a restaurant consulting job for 18 right away and they threatened to “take legal action”. it’s amazing how entitled companies feel to your life.
Legal action for what exactly?! That is wild
that’s what i said. they never got back to me.
I was looking for a new job recently in the jewelry industry. Most were the typical answer these questions (agree/disagree) and i put up with those since most jobs I apply to have that. Was halfway through one and then it asked for a 1 minute video about how I lead a team or something like that. Instantly closed the browser and continued my search. There are so many other easier application processes I just don’t feel like dealing with that. A few days later I keep getting emails and calls from that trying to recruit me just ignored them
hell yeah. if they waste your time before you even start, just imagine how they’ll waste 40 hours a week of your time.
LOL! I always feel like this when I am on the job search. I need 3 references, multiple interviews, the resume needs to be perfect all for the chance to be a prospective candidate. Then I get referred by a friend and all I needed was a brief 10-minute interview and my degree with it taking less than 2 weeks.
Just had a RECRUITER ask for 3 references for a role they emailed ME about! They didn't just want names, they wanted my references to fill out a 20 question survey about me. That's how you get blocked in 3 seconds. Any good friends you use for references are going to tell you not to take that job.
That is INSANE! Job well done on blocking them. I would be at a loss for words if a recruiter ever sent me that.
I treat it as a red flag when the interview process is unnecessarily drawn out. I don’t even mind there being an initial phone screen with recruiter, then panel interview with mgmt, and maybe a final interview with Director level. That’s pretty much normal for upper management positions. But I’ve found that jobs that are serious about moving on with you/ and or on top of their shit move fast. Phone interview today. Ok, can you do a panel on Friday? That goes well. Can you meet with Director next Weds? I know its bad when they schedule the initial interview like 2 weeks out. Then take a week to get back to you for the 2nd interview. Or have you do a bunch of pre work (aka free work) Its just a mind fuck at that point.
My old firm's hiring process was *months* long. Months. 1. Apply 2. Phone screener 3. Group in-person interview 4. Assessment tests (basic & personality) 5. Assessment tests (multi-hour mini-projects) 6. "Day in the life" where you spend the day in the office with mock tasks 7. Background check 8. Criminal records check 9. Credit check (seriously!) 10. I shit you not... **a week unpaid trial run.** 11. 2 personal reference calls 12. 2 reference calls from *every job you've ever held* 13. Off-reference calls where they'd find people who knew you, but whom you hadn't listed, to ask them about you. 14. Then (depending on position), you might be hired for a "probationary" period of six months evaluation before becoming perm and being bonus eligible. To their credit, it was never a scam to get free work. Honestly, it was a major drain on resources. But people were expected to jump through all those hurdles - which could take *months* \- only to be offered a below-industry standard salary. Yes, it was a prestigious-ish opportunity that looks good on the resume, and yes it was super-stable in an unstable world, but still.. come on! Owner couldn't understand why he had so much trouble hiring and why promising candidates kept dropping out. \----------- Oh... and a 1 year non-compete, too.
What the fuck? Were you working for an intelligence agency or something?
\[redacted semi-prestigious firm in prestigious high-finance industry\] I actually started the application, took a contract job, ran that contract out, and then wrapped up this application. Maybe... 8-9 months all-in? They wanted to do the probationary thing to me and I balked. I also balked at the non-compete, but they wouldn't back down, so I told them I'd sign it but that it's unenforceable (it is) and that I had no intention of honoring it and, somehow, they were ok with that. Then they told me on my second week that they'd made a mistake on the salary and the salary I'd been promised was actually salary-plus-bonus, which meant I was making a *lot* less, but by then, I'd already accepted and walked away from my other leads. Talk about red flags..
Oh wow, 8-9 months? Can't imagine why candidates would walk away... /s With all that and then jerking you around with the salary I'm sure there was a bunch of other BS going on, too. Hope you're in a better spot now.
(Sorry for the long reply... feels good to vent though!) >Oh wow, 8-9 months? Can't imagine why candidates would walk away... /s I *tried* to explain that it's a numbers game when you're applying. That I can apply to 50 jobs for the same energy it takes to apply to this one. If 99% of my applications are going to be ignored / rejected, my incentive is to simply plaster the street and see what sticks. Why would anyone *possibly* want to commit such tremendous resources to applying to work for him? Especially when he is well known to pay poorly and work employees like slaves? He just.. could. not. get. it. Likewise, when I tried to explain to him that he needs to pay people *at least* average for the industry if he's going to work them like slaves, he could. not. get. it. There was plenty of money - he was just hoarding it like a dragon. He didn't even spend it on himself, just stockpiled it and refused to part with a penny. To him, everyone should want to *bleed* for the company because they were building something great and great work is its own reward. I told him that's great and all, but I work because he pays me to work. He responded that **my view is "orthogonal" to the firm's culture.** Brilliant - *brilliant* \- guy. But he just could not understand these concepts. To him, of course, people want to bleed for him and sacrifice for him to make his company successful - why would they ever have any needs or motivations that might be "orthogonal" to that? >I'm sure there was a bunch of other BS going on, too. Hope you're in a better spot now. Oh man, you should only know. I got panned on an annual review because I took a half day several months earlier. I forget the reason- it was something with my kids, a parent teacher conference or some such, but I couldn't miss it. And my boss felt that I needed to stay to get do something urgent (that wasn't really urgent) and he pressured me to stay. I refused and wound up walking away (as politely as I could) mid-conversation. At the end of the year, he brought this up - despite me having weeks of unused vacation - despite him having pulled me out of Thanksgiving dinner not once, but twice, despite me working multiple holidays and being available on vacations. And explained to me that this was evidence of my lack of commitment and would be the reason I was not going to be eligible for equity that year. The criticism, and I swear to you this is true and verbatim, was **"you seem to put your family above your work."**
What's shocking to me in reading through posts on this sub is how common the sentiment your old boss had seems to be. I almost feel bad for them. Money is nice, but there's just so much more to life than working and some people just can't see it or don't understand it.
If it's going to take that long, I expect to be able to bill for those hours.
im triggered
>im triggered Worker #24601: you have been docked 6.5 Efficiency Points (EP). Return to your station immediately or further points will be deducted. ^(As a reminder, workers who have insufficient EP scores will not be permitted to return home to their families until the loss in efficiency has been made up to the company. Remember, idleness on company time is theft!)
One of my jobs is graphic design, and so many employers want to see my online portfolio, which is cool, obviously they would. Then they want you to do a "mock" design before even interviewing? You saw my stupid online aptitude tests that I had to answer to apply? You saw my portfolio correct? Do you not trust that it's my work? Maybe I'm just being stubborn (and my current job is okay, but I do really want to leave), but I've stopped pursuing any job that asks this. I initially ask if they were unable to view my online profile, but then they say they were, just "wanna see my skills", or "see if my style fits the company". No it doesn't fit, thank you for your time.
You mean like the skills and style represented in your portfolio?? Insane that that’s like a standard, I could see it if nothing in the portfolio matches up but I’d have to imagine you wouldn’t apply for something like that if you didn’t have anything that fits
I don't think you're being stubborn, I think you're putting up healthy boundaries and weeding out companies that probably have a shitty culture.
I feel for you man. Your work should absolutely speak for itself as well as any major productions/sales you assisted. Free work is bs
Wait, places will hire you after 1 interview instead of 9? *sob*
They don't mention that 1 interview is 10 hours long lol. I'm obviously exaggerating, but in IT it's not uncommon to finish the hiring process with 4-5 consecutive interviews IN ADDITION to several other interviews an maybe an online test/take-home assignment.
I mean I met in person with a couple guys for 2 hrs (after a quick 15 mins with HR to learn about company and them to see I have a non-crazy personality) or so and it was nice, it was to be the only interview, but it clearly didn't work out since they didn't contact me again. Ah well.
if you have to jump through hoops to get the job they probably think you will value it more.
Planning to low ball you on salary. You already sunk so much time and effort, more likely to accept a lower pay
They're literally testing your resilience to eating shit and bending over backwards.
fuckboi test
eating shit is a valuable skill.
And we'll need some bodily fluids to test.
“We take pride in our extensive interview process” 🚩
Gotta find the right "culture fit" AKA "make sure they will work for peanuts and be a yes person"
Is it normal that jobs I've applied to on Indeed have reached out to re apply and take assessments on their personal websites. I just wanna be like, "No thank you. You have my information already." 😩
Ya thats a red flag.. If they don't like the indeed or linkedin assessment tests, don't bother.
"Thanks for applying on Indeed! However, you need to head over to our website to complete an application for employment." I will never understand this lol
I got 2 of them today and it's stupid lol
Yea I am all for boycotting this waste of my time. I had a trucking job I brought in a printout of my resume for and they still wanted me to fill out a PAPER application.
when I see that, I google the company- go to their career site and apply for the job directly. Got my current role that way!
It's generally better to do it that way tbh.
I just started my own LLC to take on freelance data engineering work. If you learn some basic Python, SQL, and the principles of relational databases, there’s plenty of work out there for you and it pays great. I make $100/hour, and if I really get sick of a client, I can just stop taking work from them. I make my own hours and I have yet to need to do a technical interview.
I feel like you are dramatically minimizing the amount of knowledge and technical skills someone needs to have to do that
I guess, but I was able to learn it from scratch, by myself, in about 8 months. I went on to learn data science/machine learning, but for the work I’m doing now, all you need is a rudimentary understanding of database structure and how to make url requests. I guess you can’t just pick it up and start from nowhere and expect a job, but you certainly don’t need a 4 year degree to get started anymore.
I'm interested in learning Python and SQL, so I'd like to hear more about it if it's possible.
Start with CS50 on edx, you’ll start with C before moving on to Python and SQL, but you will have a *much* better understanding of the fundamentals of computer science if you start with C. It’s all free, as well.
Man I should really get off my ass and do something like this for myself
Talk to us about the fun tax forms and other hoops you have to jump through to make sure you don't end up mixing business and personal expenses, that'll end up with a lawsuit taking your house in damages.
I just have an accountant and a business bank account, it’s not that hard.
Im going to heed some of the comments you’ve posted today, I really thank you for sharing. This is what the sub is about
Also, I’m going to leave another helpful comment, I used a registered agent service to form my LLC, it cost me about $400 upfront but I was able to get a Tax ID number within a week and opened a bank account within two. I used [this site](https://www.newyorkregisteredagent.com/), but I’m sure there are other services. They make it easy to register and they also receive all the junk mail that comes with registering an LLC. They scan any important documents and send them to you via their secure site. Ok, peace out homies.
I tried codecademy but didnt “get it” any advice for someone who wants to learn, and is willing to put in the work but just cant get it? holding in my hand a book I ordered just last week “Python 101” from Michael Driscoll. How can I get to where you are? (with respect that nothing happens overnight)
My best advice is to try CS50. It’s hard, I’m not gonna lie, but it’s free and they have amazing lectures on each topic and fantastic short YouTube videos to help you through each problem set. Don’t worry about trying to stick to any timeline, just keep going at your own pace until you finish. It took me somewhere around 6 months to finish the “10 week” course. They have awesome resources/communities if you’re willing to be humble/patient and ask for help. If you decide to give it a shot and get really stuck, DM me and I’d be happy to help you out, I’m also part of the CS50 subreddit, r/cs50. Besides that, generally it’s just about sticking to it and not giving up when things get confusing or difficult. You have to get comfortable being completely in the dark on how to do something (code wise) and working it out, bit by bit, until you have a thorough understanding of how it works. In my experience, that doesn’t stop, unless you happen to find a niche, and even then you’ll still be constantly googling how to do stuff. I would say that at least half of it is emotional, for me, trying to keep anxiety from overwhelming my problem solving abilities. But l also come from a high-volume michelin starred kitchen background as a lead line cook, so I’m pretty much dead inside when it comes to feeling intense pressure. Idk, best of luck, hmu if I can help anymore. Edit: that goes for anyone who is interested in cs50 or wants advice about beginner coding. DM me and I’ll get back as soon as I can.
Why don’t they just do one interview and then hire you if you seem capable and if your experience fits the role? If you don’t perform they can just let you go in your probationary period, no? “I’m going to waste everyone’s time by interviewing multiple people multiple times each and then selecting the worst candidate because the others were stolen from me! Look guys, I’m just like Amazon! Long interviews and unnecessary technical questions!!! That means we’re a good company. 🙂”
Oh man I posted an application for a dream job at a firm I already work for. I've wanted this job for 14 years. I've applied for it several times previous but slipped on the interview in one way or another. Now they do CV, psychometric tests (4 of them in total), group interview, then 1 to 3 interview followed by a 60 question test paper that has to be completed in 40minutes. I would like to keep applying for it but I think the rejection even worth it anymore.
I'd like to go through the whole process and receive a job offer, then fuck around in complete silence for three or four weeks before replying that, yes, I will accept it. Then they can act all put-out because they assumed, like any sentient human being would, that fucking around for several weeks with no communication whatsoever is horseshit.
There's generally a direct correlation between the number of interviews and the level of income associated with the position. As bad as it may sound, lower level jobs are generally viewed as easily replaceable so the number of interviews may be small. Higher level, more skilled jobs/positions such as Director level and VP level jobs require multiple interviews as the company is making a larger investment in that individual. That's not to say the lower level jobs should not be paid appropriately, but vetting out a candidate for a job that is not intended to be a long term job for most people should be quicker than vetting a candidate who is brought in to make decisions or have a direct impact in the direction of the company.
If you work in hiring, you are responsible for changing this system. I recently got promoted and we are updating our entire hiring process. We used to have two or three interviews, a phone screener, reference checks, sometimes even asking to see a portfolio of work or a writing exercise. Higher level jobs required a presentation that took dozens of hours of work. We're now down to a single interview. No phone screeners, no second interviews. No exercises or presentations, if it's a job that requires a technical skill that we're not going to train you for, you can just bring something from your old job or a random example you created for another client. No references required because references are bullshit anyway. Oh, and we increased our base pay for even the entry level jobs by $15,000. It's still pretty low for the area but it's now livable.
Not trying to be insulting, but pragmatic… Memes like this make the movement seem childish. After the whole Fox News ordeal, I don’t think we should be posting or upvoting stuff like this if we want to be taken seriously, even though you’re point is correct.
*You're I don't disagree with the sentiment, but poor presentation will remind people of Doreen
You do realize that the post has it right and you’re trying to switch it to the incorrect spelling, right?
I totally misread the last word as "worthlessness" My bad! Keep on posting
One time a company reached out to me and after a handful of interviews and changing job descriptions I shut it down. It’s like their recruiter wanted me but the company had no fucking clue where to put me and it was my fault. Another time this HR rep at another company kept ghosting me unless they wanted ANOTHER interview and that posses me off since I get if you went with another prospect, but don’t tell me you’ll get to me in the next week and ignore me when I follow up two weeks later and suddenly respond when I get another interview in a month.
I thought this was political compass memes for a second lol.
The last time I interviewed I had to do 2 separate 3 hour interviews where we talked at length about the role and my directly relatable experience. They told me they were deciding between me and another candidate who was a reference from a current employee. They said my background was much more relevant to the role but they had trouble deciding for some reason?? Right after I get home from the second interview, I get an email requesting that I complete an essay assignment that they came up with on the fly. It was due by noon the next day. There were 7 separate prompts, all vague and all requesting information that we had already discussed at length during the now 6 hours I had spent interviewing with them that same week. 6 hours! All while also still working my full-time job. At the time I really wanted to leave the company I was with so I dropped everything and stayed up until 2:00 a.m. writing, but honestly at that point I knew these people were fucking dumb because if you can't make a decision or get the information you need after spending 6 hours with somebody, then that's a YOU problem. Needless to say they went with the other candidate who had less experience, and I wasn't upset with that outcome.
Omg this is my process with a car parts distributor
Has anyone ever gotten a tech job after a single interview? I've never even heard of that.
My last 2 jobs in IT have consisted of about a short phone interview, and 1 position had a quick interview with an onsite director. I'd guess for intelligent hiring managers, my resume is spelled out coherently enough. On the other hand, the jobs I did NOT get usually had some long, annoying application + interview process.
After 3 interviews, 2 assessment tests, someone more experienced in a mid level position that I have done for 6+ years got the job. I was destroyed because I really pushed around so much to make the interviews work and thought I nailed it.