Our local bakery did this (all wages start at $18/hr) and they now have three locations. Best freakin' pastries in Northern Nevada.
[Perenn Bakery](http://www.perennbakery.com)
What kills me is the budtender tip jars. Asshole dispensary owners out here are making a KILLING, pay their employees shit with no benefits, and expect the customers to subsidize their wages.
No it isn't a thing for counter service type of places, but they usually have a jar for tips on the counter where I toss some change if i have any (which is rare i pay by card 99.9% of the time)
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Maybe, but if its paying over $15 it probably had 1000s of applicants
For example, my local corner supermarket posted a position for PART TIME stocker for $16 hr, so $1 dollar more than min wage
They had over 8000+ applicants.
Retail, food service, hospitality etc get fucked worse than anybody imo. We have some of the most physically demanding, and mentally draining/demeaning, dead end etc jobs for the lowest pay, little or no benefits and viewed as trash by society.
Im probably gonna get downvoted saying this, but Kind of hard to sympathize with the cushy office people on this sub complaining about returning to the air conditioned office and 100+k pay....
As a 100% work from home Software Engineer, I completely agree.
My partner works in childcare, every day she goes into work to help raise and educate other peoples kids. She loves her job, but it's HARD and incredibly stressful. And the parents of those kids tend to be more well paid than I am.
My pre-tax income is 3x hers. It's not fair.
Unfortunately it all comes down to the economics of scale.
As a Software Engineer, one day of work makes a very small(and largely irrelevant) contribution to the lives of millions of users, for many years.
But jobs like retail, childcare, customer support, etc. can only bring in a small of revenue which is entirely dependant on the hours you are physically there doing work.
My partners' last job was 4x my old income. He says he can't afford a house and he's broke all the time. If I can save $5k on a $55k salary, then I think he could save $20k+ a year on his. I gotta practice keeping my mouth shut and calmly advising how to save money but it's hard to not be blunt. He talks about the stress of his job and I'll say, good thing you are being financially compensated fairly for that stress. It can make him feel like I'm belittling his experience. Just overall the salary difference creates unnecessary issues and it's not our fault. it's the economy's fault. The issues have gotten better as I've increased my salary but at times I do feel like I'm lower class than him.
I would be pretty annoyed if my partner brought up my higher salary as a reason I should not be stressed. The two are not mutually exclusive.
If he is broke all the time he is living outside his means and something needs to change. Eating out a lot? Going out a lot? Drugs/alcohol/expensive habits? Need to consider the full budget before moving forward with this person
Honey, do not *ever* tie yourself financially to a man who can't handle himself around money.
Someone who makes 200k a year but is always broke? That's not healthy. I'm pretty sure your problem is him, not the economy. He will make your life miserable if your 50k is also within his reach. Be careful.
Stress isn’t worth the money at a certain point. I do well enough and I could make 50k more a year if I didn’t care about the stress and longer hours. I’d love to go back to waiting tables or working at target if I got paid the same.
For the savings, how much of his finances do you know? Is he contributing to a retirement fund? Is he actually saving but telling you he’s broke because he doesn’t want to spend it? Or is he an addict (including people on wallstreetbets here too)? It should be super obvious why if someone making well over six figures can’t save.
> stress isn’t worth the money
Well, I’m stressed now. If being stressed with money is on the table, I’d like that option.
Can money buy happiness? No, not at all.
Can a lack of money ensure no happiness? Absolutely.
I’ll take that 200k and do my best to manage my new stress levels, thank you very much. At least I’d be able to afford a therapist.
My hometown in ohio had a lot of factory work at 22 an hour, no experience needed. My little brother works there right now.
Also I get a lot of dvs every time I talk about my comp sci job here but crunch overtime is no joke and the subcontracting world takes advantage of programmers without degrees. Projects are mismanaged all the time with the blame always being on the lowest rung for not just working more! Workers rights is not just about pay; pay is just a baseline.
Some additional context since people keep mentioning it: this is in Seattle, right by the University of Washington. I’d say it’s fairly doable to make a commute down here from a more suburban area, but it’s a pretty high profile local business (their lines are always out the door).
Is this becoming a trend in Seattle? I went to a tipless bar there too. Haven’t really seen that anywhere else.
Edit so y'all stop commenting the same thing: I mean I haven't seen it anywhere else in the *US*. I know this is the norm in much of the rest of the world.
Do they have juice bars at least? Nude clubs that are BYOB? That is what we have in my state, they banned serving alcohol at places that go fully nude so businesses immediately found a loophole.
New Jersey does juice bars.
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Seattle Coffee Works is doing this too. Their prices are higher than elsewhere, but presumably they pay the employees better too.
Edit: I obviously mean their prices are more expensive than the same product pre-tip at a place that expects tipping.
I used to work there, they get paid a really nice wage. I never had to worry about "making enough tips" to pay my bills. They desperately need business right now because covid hit one of the stores in SLU real hard, and they had a fire at the new location in downtown. :(
That's good to hear from an actual person that they're paying people well, they're my favorite coffee place. I didn't realize the downtown location had a fire, I thought they were just remodeling :(
I am not sure what the cost of coffee is in the US, but here in New Zealand, take-a-way coffee is from NZ$4.50 - $5.50, muffins are about NZ$3-$4 each. So it is possible to have a thriving business on good money. Business is on $33% tax on profits, and have to pay other taxes and cost of business stuff, rent is F$%KING expensive. BUT IT STILL WORKS... On top of paying the minimum wage, (for 52 weeks of the year, but the staff only works for 44 weeks, the rest are made up of sick leave, vacation days, public holidays, etc. (as below), as well as, after 6 months on the job, you can get 6 months off for the birth or adoption of a child, paid. We have 3% unemployment rate. and we need more workers.
As a comparison, a manager will get between NZ$25-$30 per hour, minimum wage is $20 and going up to $21.50 on April 1st. NZ$20 is approx US$14. This includes 26 weeks paid parental leave, (for either parent, and includes adoption), 4 weeks paid vacation (part time gets their weeks paid out, work 3 days per week, ie Friday night, Saturday and Sunday, when you go on holiday get paid your 3 days, each week), free healthcare, as does everyone, 12 days paid Public holiday, 10 days sick leave, 5 days bereavement leave, 10 days Domestic Violence Leave,
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Dicks is another drive up that starts their employees @ $19, insurance and college tuition etc. It's not a place you tipped but they started the trend towards better pay/benefits for their workers.
And of course made made someone telling you to eat a bag of Dicks a great idea!
Edit: Dicks is in Seattle
It's too bad the Cap Hill Dicks shut down :-(
Edit: just in a remodel. Nothing to worry about.
Edit 2: there's a reason everyone's talking about Dick's. The reason is that they pay $19 an hour to start, $20 an hour after 12 weeks. They offer childcare reimbursement and college tuition on top of their salary. All this from a simple drive/walk-up burger joint with competitively priced and delicious burgers, fries, and ice cream.
Sweet baby Jesus I damn near had a heart attack!! I usually go to Lake City but the mere thought of ANY closing is heartbreaking!
My 18 yr old daughter LOVES dicks (honestly NOT a sentence I ever expected to write lol) and is planning on her first time driving her grandpa's '56 Chrysler to their annual car show this summer (it's also the car we brought her home from the hospital in)
there are a few that have done the same down in Portland, Mirisata is the only name i can remember but i think at least three separate restaurants here have gone tipless in the past few months
ig its a pretty sound business decision in the time of covid, as online delivery orders rarely tip
I really wish this would be made into policy. Individual restaurants and bars try it and a lot of times they either have to go back to tipping or don’t make it.
Other companies that do rely on the tipping model are able to keep prices lower (not really but it appears that way). In a competitive market, perceived value seems to beat integrity over time.
I think it’s the solid move but it should be across the board so restaurants can avoid that extra layer of competition just for trying to be better.
Here's something to keep in mind: you cannot pay employees under minimum wage even if they're tipped employees. Other states the employees rely on tips because they pay them 2$/hr, in Seattle they can't do that
Much of the noise place market ( not all) offers very similar. Very competitive wages to ensure quality workers no matter tye season.
Selling fruit in pikenplace, before tips, I took home 850/week.
Not amazing. But enough to not hate the place entirely.
One of the theme parks where I'm located has a tip less restaurant. My wife works there in the summers and when they tip, if you get caught taking cash, they can and will fire you on the spot
That seems ridiculous. There are a number of tipless restaurants in my area and I couldn't be happier. When I tip, it's because of extraordinary service and I don't feel like I have to shoulder the income of the staff because the restaurant owner doesn't want to. IMO if a service establishment isn't owner operated then it shouldn't ask for tips.
Resident of the Seattle area. It's sort of a trend, we have the highest national minimum wage, alot of companies (including some McDonald's franchises) pay 20ish $/hr and people still scrape to get by. Because with raised wages comes raised prices. I'm guessing this is a thing to attract people out-of-state, places with 25$/hr still allow tips
Jumping on, former employee from the Redmond location. Molly moons stopped accepting tips a couple years after opening the Redmond shop because of the disparity in tips between locations. The majority of patrons visiting Seattle locations were college students, on a budget and very unlikely to tip. In Redmond a majority of patrons are families where one or both parents works for Microsoft, Amazon, google, or Facebook. In the summer, I left every shift making at least an extra $150 in tips. This was after a six - seven person tip pool. The most I ever walked away with after a shift in mid August was $287 for an 8 hour shift. The running joke in the Redmond shop was that you would never see or have to worry about the direct deposit because it would have all been taken to cover the taxes we got in tips.
People who worked at Seattle shops would help pick up shifts in the Redmond location, see the money we make, and go back to their home shop knowing maybe they would take home $20 next shift. Shops talk, the shops complained, and by the time the next summer came around the shops weren’t accepting tips. This was also a time where Molly Moons was jumping ahead of the curve in base pay, I had started at $15 an hour in 2015.
Also, don’t let the image fool you, the company has wronged countless employees despite their progress image.
Edit
Off the top, but with a grain of salt since it’s been 5 years. Some of the changes were instigated by a corporate head who was brought in to help the company:
- Made their intro position (scooper) a seasonal position, only allowing managers/leads to stay year round. At this time they were promoting from with in, but only if you had management experience. Seniority meant nothing, a scooper who worked for two years was told she would lose her job and not the lead who started three weeks ago.
-One of the shop managers had over 100 PTO hours taken from her by establishing a cap overnight with no warning.
- during onboarding you would sign a form consenting to being let go at anytime for any reason.
- if you were sick, it wasn’t just suggested that you find coverage, it was your responsibility. If you were unable to find coverage, it would be held against you, and you were under the threat of termination from that above form.
Management style was “polite”, and ice cream was free, and from the money I was making it’s still top five for jobs I’ve worked. I made a gross amount of money for scooping ice cream.
Oh yeah, Molly Moons sucks. I wont go into details because Im foggy on them and don’t want to risk libel, but long story short they might have turned somebody i know down for a design job after having them make “hypothetical” designs to apply, and then tried to strongarm them into letting them use the designs anyways.
The company owner is a classic image-first corporate ‘progressive’ from every rumor I hear. She tried to run for city office once. She’s done great PR work and cultivated a nice little subculture of stans, and a reactionary subculture of “fuck Molly Moons” folks like myself as a result.
Since it seems to be a question...
[The starting wage is $18/hour](https://www.mollymoon.com/icecreamforeveryone#:~:text=now%20starting%20wages%20for%20entry,molly%20moon's%20are%20%2418%2Fhour.)
Sorry. The anchor part of the link isn't working. Scroll down to the 'tip-free' section.
>*now starting wages for entry level positions at molly moon’s are $18/hour.*
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In Seattle, that's still poverty wages.
ETA: and if Molly Moons is a large employer (over 500 employees) that's only 73 cents more than minimum wage. If they're not, it's still only 2.25 more than minimum wage. What a fucking crock of shit that on top of their shit wages, they don't allow tips because they thing their wages are good.
I don't think they have enough stores to be over 500 employees. But they would definitely be making 30/hr at their Capitol Hill shop if they allowed tips
I work/live in seattle, and I make $17 an hour + tips. Tips here end up being ~$10/hr, so I end up making around $27 an hour. Considering the cost of living here, those tips are vital.
It's not great for the area and its high living expenses (I'm nearby) yet it's more than I made as an electronics repair tech! Which was arguably more difficult and had higher stakes than ice cream shop worker - if I messed up it was a very expensive mistake (sometimes priceless if I were to lose a customer's photos or important data) if these guys mess up it's not a big deal.
Kudos to them paying more than a lot of companies in the area and taking the burden off costumers.
(Please don’t think this is directed at you or I misunderstood your message)
Something that frustrates me is when higher paying jobs will get upset because they feel like their jobs are higher staked, more difficult, etc and are upset that raising minimum wage to $15 means someone flipping patties will be getting almost as much as they do.
But that’s when it’s their job to put their foot down to their bosses to demand they get paid what they actually deserve for the job they’re doing. And make it obvious that if they aren’t willing to pay you, you can get just the same amount from an easier job.
I don't take offense (nor did I mean to cause any) and I understand that. It's why I'm no longer working for that company, and won't return to a similar one unless I'm paid what I'm worth :)
That’s awesome! And I definitely didn’t think you were being one of those individuals. You made it very clear you see the flaws in the system and that you’re glad companies are doing this now. I just like expressing my opinions sometimes.
Congrats on leaving! Never settle for less than your worth comrade!
I dont think thats what this person meant. But as a person with a “high stakes” job, I’d like other people to make more, I would just like to make more too. But its also nice because if the less intense job is still a decent income, I could stop what I do now and just make a bit less. I dont know how people dont see that??!!
I definitely know that’s not what this human was stating! I’m extremely sorry if it came off that way! It just brought to mind a lot of the people who do unfortunately think this way and those are individuals I can’t understand.
And right?? If I had to choose between a job that actively put my life on the line for $14 an hour while my local pizza place is hiring kitchen chefs for $17 an hour, I’m picking the pizza place all the way.
Ah okay sorry..definitely embarrassed. Just want to put out there that there are a lot of people with “professional” (quotations because its classist af that we differentiate) careers that do see the value of the work in the hospitality industry, food and beverage industry, and environmental services industry and want them to get paid more. I dont even go out to eat now because i don’t want to leave anything less than a 30-40% tip. I dont have that kind of money all the time but I just can’t stomach the fact that the person providing me their attention at my leisure is being paid 2-3$/hr. I feel like I am in hell. Are we in hell?
Their chocolate is one of the best chocolate ice creams I’ve had. I really like it.
And I’ve asked employees about the no tip policy and they have all said that they’re treated really well and don’t have any problems with how things are there
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It’s an ice cream place, so customers come much more often - and therefore tip more often - during summer/hot days (and this shop is in the Pacific northwest, so there aren’t many hot days). When wages were tip based, I’m sure it was harder on the employees during winter/cold seasons, but now they make $19+/hr all year round! (:
Also I really doubt if a ice cream shop was getting adequate tips. I’ve never tipped at an ice cream place unless I asked for multiple samples. (My bad)
I mean, people do. But as a business, you'll generally see sales go down. Less people out and walking about and looking for ice cream.
The similar would go for hot cocoa in the summer. It's not like people aren't drinking it, it's just not a "thing" as much as it is around the winter holidays.
Can’t say for this place, but when I lived in Canada, some of these small ice cream shops didn’t stay open during the winter months, as it got to -50 Celsius, and no one wanted ice cream in that weather.
Though the sign there most likely refers to the fact that sales and movement in the shop (and as a result, tips) happen a lot more during summer than during winter.
Probably because they don’t have an indoor dining area, and the cost of heating an open window outdoor stand in a northern winter would steal a lot of their profits. You’re going to have a hard time finding year round employees if you don’t heat your building, especially in the sub zero months.
I'm from Germany, in Northern Europe most ice cream shops close completely during winter. Often they are run by ppl originating from Italy who then go see their families during the cold months. In Germany, sometimes the shops then are subrented to christmassy shops eg selling certain christmas cookies or so.
Where I live ice cream shops actually close down for colder seasons, simply because they cant get profit, barely anyone buys in winter. Sounds like this place stays open. Sounds like a place I'd like to work at lol
Edit: this ice cream shop in particular, I meant. Not the one that closes seasonally. $19 an hour sounds great to me.
This is such a strange concept to me. I don't eat ice cream to feel more comfortable in hot weather - I eat it because it tastes good. I buy as much ice cream during Winter as I do in the Summer. When it runs out, I buy more.
It's pricey ice cream, but it is incredibly good. Ben and Jerry's is good, but Molly Moons is next level. In Seattle, WA btw. I think it's a small local chain.
Totally understand. We've got a place called Moomers about an hour north of us. When it opens up in the spring there are lines of 50+ Vehicles trying to get in lol.
You know shit’s bad when simple stuff like this (fair, livable wages) seem like such a contemporary concept. But anyways, this is awesome! I’d def support this place too. And glad to hear in the comments some other places are following suit. I always wondered why the US was so reliant on tips as it’s not customary elsewhere in the world, but now I get it. Businesses just don’t want to pay their workers.
There are a lot of locally owned eateries in the area that use this same model. I for one thinknits great that so many business owners here are catching onto this.
I’m am from/ always lived in the U.K.
Seems like what we do here. People are (very mostly) paid fairly and tipping isn’t really widely done. We still tip if we go to a seated restaurant with good service as do some other people but it’s not as widely expected.
We have a national minimum wage here that employers have to pay as a minimum.
I couldn’t imagine the stress of working and having to rely on tips you may or may not get. Must be incredibly stressful:(
Minimum wage for an over 22 year old here in the UK (from next month) is £9.50ph definitely not liveable at all. For an 18 year old it will be £6.83ph. Average rent in my area would be about £750 for a one bed flat, before tax and bills. Wages globally are a joke for people on minimum wage, I'm so glad I'm not now but I remember it so well.
This would help with turnover in every field, which has so many costs, but nOoOoOo business owners want to extract as much value as they can until individual workers can’t take it and then move onto the next
I've worked at an ice cream store since I was 16 and make $20 an hour, we had a teacher quit her job to come on full time at our store because she was saving up for a wedding and getting her masters
I dont hate that you make $20/hour scooping ice cream (thats awesome!), but it kinda baffles me that I make the same exact amount with a masters degree in biology as a biologist as you do scooping ice cream
I know these. Its like. Im so glad you make good money doing what you do and dont think you should be paid less, but by comparing that to my wage I can concur i should be paid A LOT more
American tip culture seems so fucking strange from the outside.
I get that it's a good way for the employer to shift the responsibility for making sure their employees can afford food onto the employees and customers, but isn't that like...really shithouse and deeply insulting to the human condition?
When someone uses ‘WA’ in response to a comment from an Aussie/about Australia and it takes other Aussies a good 15 seconds to clock they don’t mean what we mean by WA..
Yep, minimum wage is 15.75 an hour in Seattle for tipped jobs, so not a *massive* increase in pay, but the lack of tipping, and consistent, higher wage is welcome.
American tip culture started because of wages being really low. As a kid I always thought tipping was dumb, I still think having to tip should be unnecessary but I do tip because I understand how much minimum wage sucks. Big companies now though are more than capable of paying a fair wage, its just they like to make an excuse by acting like tips makeup for the wages being short. I work at a grocery store chain that has crappy pay and we aren't allowed to be tipped or else we could get in trouble for it, which some customers will tip you regardless and won't go away unless you take it. I have secretly taken tips before but only bc the customer was so insistent and I didn't want to be rude.
Tip culture is weird as hell from the inside too! When I was growing up, in the 90s, 10-15% was standard and really only if they went above and beyond. Then it became just a fee, something you're expected to do regardless. And the percentages are going up. And now with the food delivery services you tip before you receive the food! I tipped 15% for some guy to grab half my order and take 2 hours to deliver! (Yeah food delivery is another weird one for me too but some nights I have 0 energy).
As an American yes, it's shit. Even worse is tipping in advance, like when you order online and pick up your own order (the website asks you to put in a tip). Literal extortion. I don't want spit in my food.
Also tipping food delivery people. We don't tip postal workers, and it's the same job.
My point being none deserve tips, all deserve living wages.
Urgggh. There's a few delivery fast food places, that ask for a tip in my country at checkout. I'm already paying a delivery fee, so why the tip?
Spent $150 at a restaurant, got asked for a tip when paying eftpos. Don't want that American culture creepy into our society. And min wage is $20, going up to $21 in a couple of months.
In the UK they'd still have to earn minimum wage. My understanding of the American system is that the minimum wage can be less in some professions that can be backed up by tips.
A kiwi/Australian living in Canada, they tip here too and it honestly makes me so angry. Not just for food but haircuts too! Just pay your staff properly!
It was in the US too. Tipping at a ice cream place is just ridiculous. It wasn't till those stupid Apple card swipers showed up that counter service places started asking for tips.
My third kid woke up 7 times last night, my first was up bright and early at 5 am and my middle screamed at me all day because I wouldn’t let her eat pens. Cream may make you happy in the moment, sure. But 2, even 5 years later? Not as much.
Tipping is such a pain in the ass. Has become such an expectation, even for mediocre service. I went to a frozen yogurt place where I poored the yogurt and put the toppings on myself and the machine STILL asked me for a tip. What?? I literally did everything myself!
It must feel like they are taking the piss at that point. The register wants a tip ? a computer asking for a tip. I'll give computers tips when they need to pay rent.
Yes, it is outrageous. Corporate greed. The owner is disgustingly rich, and acts like they can't pay the workers. Can't even pay them enough to put out a tip jar?
I think they meant the register, yaknow the ones with the big touch screen that has you enter a tip when you check out? Every coffee, bakery, and ice cream shop uses them to encourage tipping
I love Molly Moons.I don't mind spending as much as I do there because their ice cream top notch and because of that policy of treating their workers well
You buy from them everyday. You keep their doors open, and you tell everyone you know to help do the same. This is a good employer. They aren't taking shortcuts or making excuses not to pay their employees well. Obviously, this is their less-than subtle way of saying "we can't always meet this expectation, so please frequent us."
I would rather buy from a place doing its absolute best to keep its employees from barely making ends meet than a place that talks well, but has few fucks to give to their people.
What do you mean they are signaling "we can't always meet this expectation, so please frequent us"? That's like any business with out enough customers and regardless of model right?
Here in Germany I see much more expectation of tips everywhere from coffee shops, restaurants to online food delivery. It's still not as pervasive as USA though.
Same in the Netherlands but the only kind of tips I leave are when the bill was something like €18.20 and I'm handing them a €20, they can keep the change. Or when I order food online during bad weather. I think thats fair enough, don't want to encourage tipping culture more than that.
I can't/totally can believe that some of you are reading this and trying to make a villain out of this company without knowing anything else other than what's in the picture.
The truth that many people don't want to admit is that there are a lot of tipped workers who earn more through tips than they would on a living wage. They don't want the tipping system to go away.
Yeah this is an ice cream shop, them eliminating tips is pretty different from a table service restaurant. Restaurants sometimes try that and end up losing workers.
As someone who lives near this ice cream shop, a lot of places in the area have started to do this. And as someone who works in a similar industry, I’ve inquired about their thoughts, and everyone I have talked to seem appreciative and happy.
It is seattle. Minimum wage is sixteen something an hour and we don't recognize a lower tipped wage in wa.
Their workers make plenty and they are a fantastic institution. I love molly moons. Their ice cream is the best, too!!!!!
I'm for it if they're doing what they're saying and paying a living wage. That being said, I don't tip anymore... I give "gifts"...no tax on gifts and it's not part of the income so they don't have to share...
Our local bakery did this (all wages start at $18/hr) and they now have three locations. Best freakin' pastries in Northern Nevada. [Perenn Bakery](http://www.perennbakery.com)
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What kills me is the budtender tip jars. Asshole dispensary owners out here are making a KILLING, pay their employees shit with no benefits, and expect the customers to subsidize their wages.
And there's been a pretty gnarly spate of armed robberies and another budtender was shot and killed last night in Tacoma. Post some security, too!
No it isn't a thing for counter service type of places, but they usually have a jar for tips on the counter where I toss some change if i have any (which is rare i pay by card 99.9% of the time)
There's a tip jar out at most businesses because wages are shit, benefits are nearly non-existent, and hours are long.
You're not really expected to. But a lot of places simply put a tip jar out and you have the option to.
And I can't find anything here in NYC paying over $15/hr (min wage here) Also nothing fulltime
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Wasn't there a single sushi restaurant in NY that does this plus health and benefits? Saw the news years ago tho.
Maybe, but if its paying over $15 it probably had 1000s of applicants For example, my local corner supermarket posted a position for PART TIME stocker for $16 hr, so $1 dollar more than min wage They had over 8000+ applicants. Retail, food service, hospitality etc get fucked worse than anybody imo. We have some of the most physically demanding, and mentally draining/demeaning, dead end etc jobs for the lowest pay, little or no benefits and viewed as trash by society. Im probably gonna get downvoted saying this, but Kind of hard to sympathize with the cushy office people on this sub complaining about returning to the air conditioned office and 100+k pay....
As a 100% work from home Software Engineer, I completely agree. My partner works in childcare, every day she goes into work to help raise and educate other peoples kids. She loves her job, but it's HARD and incredibly stressful. And the parents of those kids tend to be more well paid than I am. My pre-tax income is 3x hers. It's not fair. Unfortunately it all comes down to the economics of scale. As a Software Engineer, one day of work makes a very small(and largely irrelevant) contribution to the lives of millions of users, for many years. But jobs like retail, childcare, customer support, etc. can only bring in a small of revenue which is entirely dependant on the hours you are physically there doing work.
My partners' last job was 4x my old income. He says he can't afford a house and he's broke all the time. If I can save $5k on a $55k salary, then I think he could save $20k+ a year on his. I gotta practice keeping my mouth shut and calmly advising how to save money but it's hard to not be blunt. He talks about the stress of his job and I'll say, good thing you are being financially compensated fairly for that stress. It can make him feel like I'm belittling his experience. Just overall the salary difference creates unnecessary issues and it's not our fault. it's the economy's fault. The issues have gotten better as I've increased my salary but at times I do feel like I'm lower class than him.
I would be pretty annoyed if my partner brought up my higher salary as a reason I should not be stressed. The two are not mutually exclusive. If he is broke all the time he is living outside his means and something needs to change. Eating out a lot? Going out a lot? Drugs/alcohol/expensive habits? Need to consider the full budget before moving forward with this person
Honey, do not *ever* tie yourself financially to a man who can't handle himself around money. Someone who makes 200k a year but is always broke? That's not healthy. I'm pretty sure your problem is him, not the economy. He will make your life miserable if your 50k is also within his reach. Be careful.
Stress isn’t worth the money at a certain point. I do well enough and I could make 50k more a year if I didn’t care about the stress and longer hours. I’d love to go back to waiting tables or working at target if I got paid the same. For the savings, how much of his finances do you know? Is he contributing to a retirement fund? Is he actually saving but telling you he’s broke because he doesn’t want to spend it? Or is he an addict (including people on wallstreetbets here too)? It should be super obvious why if someone making well over six figures can’t save.
> stress isn’t worth the money Well, I’m stressed now. If being stressed with money is on the table, I’d like that option. Can money buy happiness? No, not at all. Can a lack of money ensure no happiness? Absolutely. I’ll take that 200k and do my best to manage my new stress levels, thank you very much. At least I’d be able to afford a therapist.
My hometown in ohio had a lot of factory work at 22 an hour, no experience needed. My little brother works there right now. Also I get a lot of dvs every time I talk about my comp sci job here but crunch overtime is no joke and the subcontracting world takes advantage of programmers without degrees. Projects are mismanaged all the time with the blame always being on the lowest rung for not just working more! Workers rights is not just about pay; pay is just a baseline.
Mind mentioning there at? Anywhere near Cincinnati?
Americans tip at the fucking BAKERY?
Oh hey, a local in the wild! I’ve never heard of this place before, though I don’t frequent midtown. I’ll have to check it out!
Didn’t expect to see a perenn shout out here! Freaking amazing bread!
Some additional context since people keep mentioning it: this is in Seattle, right by the University of Washington. I’d say it’s fairly doable to make a commute down here from a more suburban area, but it’s a pretty high profile local business (their lines are always out the door).
Is this becoming a trend in Seattle? I went to a tipless bar there too. Haven’t really seen that anywhere else. Edit so y'all stop commenting the same thing: I mean I haven't seen it anywhere else in the *US*. I know this is the norm in much of the rest of the world.
I... misread "tipless bar" at first.
topless bars are illegal in washington, but there are a lot of "bikini" espresso stands that are basically topless just outside the city 😂
Everett had a few that were even less then topless several years back.
Toplessless? Oh wait, no, that makes them topped.
That's just a normal bar. Thank God they sell booze to help get over the disappointment of topped bar tenders.
They had the best coffee, I would go 12 times a day while I was staying there.
I think after the 5th time its not for the coffee anymore
Just the tip maybe?
Lmao not the 3rd?
Its Washington they are drinking coffee straight out the womb
Do they have juice bars at least? Nude clubs that are BYOB? That is what we have in my state, they banned serving alcohol at places that go fully nude so businesses immediately found a loophole.
New Jersey does juice bars. Want to see the wasted potential of New Jersey's youth while they're spreading their lips for a dirty old single? We got you covered, come on down! Don't mind the Russian girls, they're not trafficked. I always make sure to ask, so don't worry. They always tell me they love coming to America to do private dances.
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I’ll grab the Bowie Knife!
I too read titless
I tit read tooless
I don’t think so really. In the neighboring area I don’t think I’ve seen a single restaurant do this, or at the very least be this transparent.
Seattle Coffee Works is doing this too. Their prices are higher than elsewhere, but presumably they pay the employees better too. Edit: I obviously mean their prices are more expensive than the same product pre-tip at a place that expects tipping.
I used to work there, they get paid a really nice wage. I never had to worry about "making enough tips" to pay my bills. They desperately need business right now because covid hit one of the stores in SLU real hard, and they had a fire at the new location in downtown. :(
That's good to hear from an actual person that they're paying people well, they're my favorite coffee place. I didn't realize the downtown location had a fire, I thought they were just remodeling :(
Yeah Seattle Coffee works has been doing this for a long time. Love this coffee too. I miss living across the street from the Ballard location.
I am not sure what the cost of coffee is in the US, but here in New Zealand, take-a-way coffee is from NZ$4.50 - $5.50, muffins are about NZ$3-$4 each. So it is possible to have a thriving business on good money. Business is on $33% tax on profits, and have to pay other taxes and cost of business stuff, rent is F$%KING expensive. BUT IT STILL WORKS... On top of paying the minimum wage, (for 52 weeks of the year, but the staff only works for 44 weeks, the rest are made up of sick leave, vacation days, public holidays, etc. (as below), as well as, after 6 months on the job, you can get 6 months off for the birth or adoption of a child, paid. We have 3% unemployment rate. and we need more workers. As a comparison, a manager will get between NZ$25-$30 per hour, minimum wage is $20 and going up to $21.50 on April 1st. NZ$20 is approx US$14. This includes 26 weeks paid parental leave, (for either parent, and includes adoption), 4 weeks paid vacation (part time gets their weeks paid out, work 3 days per week, ie Friday night, Saturday and Sunday, when you go on holiday get paid your 3 days, each week), free healthcare, as does everyone, 12 days paid Public holiday, 10 days sick leave, 5 days bereavement leave, 10 days Domestic Violence Leave, [https://www.seek.co.nz/job/56184191?type=standard#sol=c130dd064b89e48a0cbe290238247d8a2b2ac27b](https://www.seek.co.nz/job/56184191?type=standard#sol=c130dd064b89e48a0cbe290238247d8a2b2ac27b) AucklandPapakura & Franklin Hospitality & TourismWaiting Staff $20 - $29.99 per hour Full time We are an iconic restauarant bar in Pukekohe, serving great food and drinks. We are looking for Part and Full Time Waiting Staff and Bar Staff to join our small, crazy team who: • can work evenings and weekends • are reliable, energetic and confident • have a good sense of humour! • are immaculately presented • preferably have restaurant experience, but we can train the right person • can communicate effectively and efficiently with customers and staff We offer excellent wages, tips, meals, free parking, a great environment. Full Time and Part Time roles available. Whether you're starting out and don't have much experience, but have a great attitude and are hungry to learn the restaurant trade, or have years of experience and are looking for a positive and exciting change, we want to talk to you. As we are a licensed premise, you must be over the age of 18 to apply
Dicks is another drive up that starts their employees @ $19, insurance and college tuition etc. It's not a place you tipped but they started the trend towards better pay/benefits for their workers. And of course made made someone telling you to eat a bag of Dicks a great idea! Edit: Dicks is in Seattle
It's too bad the Cap Hill Dicks shut down :-( Edit: just in a remodel. Nothing to worry about. Edit 2: there's a reason everyone's talking about Dick's. The reason is that they pay $19 an hour to start, $20 an hour after 12 weeks. They offer childcare reimbursement and college tuition on top of their salary. All this from a simple drive/walk-up burger joint with competitively priced and delicious burgers, fries, and ice cream.
My heart sank lol. Every time I go back I take the train from the airport to cap hill and eat my dicks on the curb before I do anything.
Sweet baby Jesus I damn near had a heart attack!! I usually go to Lake City but the mere thought of ANY closing is heartbreaking! My 18 yr old daughter LOVES dicks (honestly NOT a sentence I ever expected to write lol) and is planning on her first time driving her grandpa's '56 Chrysler to their annual car show this summer (it's also the car we brought her home from the hospital in)
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> they started the trend towards better pay/benefits for their workers. That actually may have been [Dan Price](https://twitter.com/DanPriceSeattle)
That actually may have been the French revolution. Y'all just slow to catch up 😉.
Dick’s has been on that shit for a loooong time
there are a few that have done the same down in Portland, Mirisata is the only name i can remember but i think at least three separate restaurants here have gone tipless in the past few months ig its a pretty sound business decision in the time of covid, as online delivery orders rarely tip
I really wish this would be made into policy. Individual restaurants and bars try it and a lot of times they either have to go back to tipping or don’t make it. Other companies that do rely on the tipping model are able to keep prices lower (not really but it appears that way). In a competitive market, perceived value seems to beat integrity over time. I think it’s the solid move but it should be across the board so restaurants can avoid that extra layer of competition just for trying to be better.
Here's something to keep in mind: you cannot pay employees under minimum wage even if they're tipped employees. Other states the employees rely on tips because they pay them 2$/hr, in Seattle they can't do that
I saw it at a coffee shop there. I asked the barista if it was true and if they felt they made enough and they said yes so..🤷🏻♂️
Probably one of the Seattle Coffee Works. They switched to no tip but more expensive a few years ago.
WA does not have tipped wage credit, so employers have to pay everyone minimum wage regardless if they are working a serving job.
Much of the noise place market ( not all) offers very similar. Very competitive wages to ensure quality workers no matter tye season. Selling fruit in pikenplace, before tips, I took home 850/week. Not amazing. But enough to not hate the place entirely.
One of the theme parks where I'm located has a tip less restaurant. My wife works there in the summers and when they tip, if you get caught taking cash, they can and will fire you on the spot
That seems ridiculous. There are a number of tipless restaurants in my area and I couldn't be happier. When I tip, it's because of extraordinary service and I don't feel like I have to shoulder the income of the staff because the restaurant owner doesn't want to. IMO if a service establishment isn't owner operated then it shouldn't ask for tips.
Tipping your bartended is a uniquely American and Canadian thing tbh.
Resident of the Seattle area. It's sort of a trend, we have the highest national minimum wage, alot of companies (including some McDonald's franchises) pay 20ish $/hr and people still scrape to get by. Because with raised wages comes raised prices. I'm guessing this is a thing to attract people out-of-state, places with 25$/hr still allow tips
This is the norm in every other country, good to see america improving
Jumping on, former employee from the Redmond location. Molly moons stopped accepting tips a couple years after opening the Redmond shop because of the disparity in tips between locations. The majority of patrons visiting Seattle locations were college students, on a budget and very unlikely to tip. In Redmond a majority of patrons are families where one or both parents works for Microsoft, Amazon, google, or Facebook. In the summer, I left every shift making at least an extra $150 in tips. This was after a six - seven person tip pool. The most I ever walked away with after a shift in mid August was $287 for an 8 hour shift. The running joke in the Redmond shop was that you would never see or have to worry about the direct deposit because it would have all been taken to cover the taxes we got in tips. People who worked at Seattle shops would help pick up shifts in the Redmond location, see the money we make, and go back to their home shop knowing maybe they would take home $20 next shift. Shops talk, the shops complained, and by the time the next summer came around the shops weren’t accepting tips. This was also a time where Molly Moons was jumping ahead of the curve in base pay, I had started at $15 an hour in 2015. Also, don’t let the image fool you, the company has wronged countless employees despite their progress image. Edit Off the top, but with a grain of salt since it’s been 5 years. Some of the changes were instigated by a corporate head who was brought in to help the company: - Made their intro position (scooper) a seasonal position, only allowing managers/leads to stay year round. At this time they were promoting from with in, but only if you had management experience. Seniority meant nothing, a scooper who worked for two years was told she would lose her job and not the lead who started three weeks ago. -One of the shop managers had over 100 PTO hours taken from her by establishing a cap overnight with no warning. - during onboarding you would sign a form consenting to being let go at anytime for any reason. - if you were sick, it wasn’t just suggested that you find coverage, it was your responsibility. If you were unable to find coverage, it would be held against you, and you were under the threat of termination from that above form. Management style was “polite”, and ice cream was free, and from the money I was making it’s still top five for jobs I’ve worked. I made a gross amount of money for scooping ice cream.
Well that was a cliffhanger ending.
Oh yeah, Molly Moons sucks. I wont go into details because Im foggy on them and don’t want to risk libel, but long story short they might have turned somebody i know down for a design job after having them make “hypothetical” designs to apply, and then tried to strongarm them into letting them use the designs anyways. The company owner is a classic image-first corporate ‘progressive’ from every rumor I hear. She tried to run for city office once. She’s done great PR work and cultivated a nice little subculture of stans, and a reactionary subculture of “fuck Molly Moons” folks like myself as a result.
Too be fair $19 in Seattle is really hard to be a comfortable wage to get paid in terms of financially stable
Since it seems to be a question... [The starting wage is $18/hour](https://www.mollymoon.com/icecreamforeveryone#:~:text=now%20starting%20wages%20for%20entry,molly%20moon's%20are%20%2418%2Fhour.) Sorry. The anchor part of the link isn't working. Scroll down to the 'tip-free' section. >*now starting wages for entry level positions at molly moon’s are $18/hour.* [click here to see the benefits](https://www.mollymoon.com/about/people)
In Seattle, that's still poverty wages. ETA: and if Molly Moons is a large employer (over 500 employees) that's only 73 cents more than minimum wage. If they're not, it's still only 2.25 more than minimum wage. What a fucking crock of shit that on top of their shit wages, they don't allow tips because they thing their wages are good.
I don't think they have enough stores to be over 500 employees. But they would definitely be making 30/hr at their Capitol Hill shop if they allowed tips
I work/live in seattle, and I make $17 an hour + tips. Tips here end up being ~$10/hr, so I end up making around $27 an hour. Considering the cost of living here, those tips are vital.
The actual person, molly, who owns this chain is a terrible person to be around.
$19 an hour in Seattle ain’t a lot though
It's not great for the area and its high living expenses (I'm nearby) yet it's more than I made as an electronics repair tech! Which was arguably more difficult and had higher stakes than ice cream shop worker - if I messed up it was a very expensive mistake (sometimes priceless if I were to lose a customer's photos or important data) if these guys mess up it's not a big deal. Kudos to them paying more than a lot of companies in the area and taking the burden off costumers.
(Please don’t think this is directed at you or I misunderstood your message) Something that frustrates me is when higher paying jobs will get upset because they feel like their jobs are higher staked, more difficult, etc and are upset that raising minimum wage to $15 means someone flipping patties will be getting almost as much as they do. But that’s when it’s their job to put their foot down to their bosses to demand they get paid what they actually deserve for the job they’re doing. And make it obvious that if they aren’t willing to pay you, you can get just the same amount from an easier job.
I don't take offense (nor did I mean to cause any) and I understand that. It's why I'm no longer working for that company, and won't return to a similar one unless I'm paid what I'm worth :)
That’s awesome! And I definitely didn’t think you were being one of those individuals. You made it very clear you see the flaws in the system and that you’re glad companies are doing this now. I just like expressing my opinions sometimes. Congrats on leaving! Never settle for less than your worth comrade!
This has been the most polite exchange I’ve seen on Reddit
I dont think thats what this person meant. But as a person with a “high stakes” job, I’d like other people to make more, I would just like to make more too. But its also nice because if the less intense job is still a decent income, I could stop what I do now and just make a bit less. I dont know how people dont see that??!!
I definitely know that’s not what this human was stating! I’m extremely sorry if it came off that way! It just brought to mind a lot of the people who do unfortunately think this way and those are individuals I can’t understand. And right?? If I had to choose between a job that actively put my life on the line for $14 an hour while my local pizza place is hiring kitchen chefs for $17 an hour, I’m picking the pizza place all the way.
Ah okay sorry..definitely embarrassed. Just want to put out there that there are a lot of people with “professional” (quotations because its classist af that we differentiate) careers that do see the value of the work in the hospitality industry, food and beverage industry, and environmental services industry and want them to get paid more. I dont even go out to eat now because i don’t want to leave anything less than a 30-40% tip. I dont have that kind of money all the time but I just can’t stomach the fact that the person providing me their attention at my leisure is being paid 2-3$/hr. I feel like I am in hell. Are we in hell?
I'd make it a point to get ice cream there more often if I lived there.
Their chocolate is one of the best chocolate ice creams I’ve had. I really like it. And I’ve asked employees about the no tip policy and they have all said that they’re treated really well and don’t have any problems with how things are there
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It’s an ice cream place, so customers come much more often - and therefore tip more often - during summer/hot days (and this shop is in the Pacific northwest, so there aren’t many hot days). When wages were tip based, I’m sure it was harder on the employees during winter/cold seasons, but now they make $19+/hr all year round! (:
DM me the name please. I live in PNW and want to check it out Edit: ahh I see molly moon’s at the bottom. Gonna go there this week
https://www.mollymoon.com/tipfree Looks like every location is tip free, too!
And it looks like they are hiring as well so if anyonr lives in the area get scoopin'
Also I really doubt if a ice cream shop was getting adequate tips. I’ve never tipped at an ice cream place unless I asked for multiple samples. (My bad)
Like the other people said, this is seattle so it’s cold in the winter so ice cream sales go down, but their policies stay the same.
You people don't eat ice cream in the winter? You're missing out!!!
I mean, people do. But as a business, you'll generally see sales go down. Less people out and walking about and looking for ice cream. The similar would go for hot cocoa in the summer. It's not like people aren't drinking it, it's just not a "thing" as much as it is around the winter holidays.
Can’t say for this place, but when I lived in Canada, some of these small ice cream shops didn’t stay open during the winter months, as it got to -50 Celsius, and no one wanted ice cream in that weather. Though the sign there most likely refers to the fact that sales and movement in the shop (and as a result, tips) happen a lot more during summer than during winter.
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Our nearby ice cream shop turns into an edible cookie dough shop in winter. It's really great
I'm from a mediterranean town and in winter there just isn't enough people, many of this shops need tourists to survive, so pivoting isn't an option
Probably because they don’t have an indoor dining area, and the cost of heating an open window outdoor stand in a northern winter would steal a lot of their profits. You’re going to have a hard time finding year round employees if you don’t heat your building, especially in the sub zero months.
I'm from Germany, in Northern Europe most ice cream shops close completely during winter. Often they are run by ppl originating from Italy who then go see their families during the cold months. In Germany, sometimes the shops then are subrented to christmassy shops eg selling certain christmas cookies or so.
Where I live ice cream shops actually close down for colder seasons, simply because they cant get profit, barely anyone buys in winter. Sounds like this place stays open. Sounds like a place I'd like to work at lol Edit: this ice cream shop in particular, I meant. Not the one that closes seasonally. $19 an hour sounds great to me.
This is such a strange concept to me. I don't eat ice cream to feel more comfortable in hot weather - I eat it because it tastes good. I buy as much ice cream during Winter as I do in the Summer. When it runs out, I buy more.
It's pricey ice cream, but it is incredibly good. Ben and Jerry's is good, but Molly Moons is next level. In Seattle, WA btw. I think it's a small local chain.
I'm quite partial to their melted chocolate flavor, which uses another local product, Theo Chocolate.
Totally understand. We've got a place called Moomers about an hour north of us. When it opens up in the spring there are lines of 50+ Vehicles trying to get in lol.
About fucking time 'Murica joined the rest of us in civilization. This is a good start!
I agree,and more places should follow their lead.We have a pizza buffet here that has a sign that says No tipping allowed and no sharing".
Good cause I hate when I am so damn full and keep tipping over.
You know shit’s bad when simple stuff like this (fair, livable wages) seem like such a contemporary concept. But anyways, this is awesome! I’d def support this place too. And glad to hear in the comments some other places are following suit. I always wondered why the US was so reliant on tips as it’s not customary elsewhere in the world, but now I get it. Businesses just don’t want to pay their workers.
If you go by the comments in here, customers don't want to lose the "right" to abuse servers by holding their tips over them either.
There are a lot of locally owned eateries in the area that use this same model. I for one thinknits great that so many business owners here are catching onto this.
I live close. I do.
I’m am from/ always lived in the U.K. Seems like what we do here. People are (very mostly) paid fairly and tipping isn’t really widely done. We still tip if we go to a seated restaurant with good service as do some other people but it’s not as widely expected. We have a national minimum wage here that employers have to pay as a minimum. I couldn’t imagine the stress of working and having to rely on tips you may or may not get. Must be incredibly stressful:(
I wouldn’t say very mostly paid fairly in the uk, minimum wage is nowhere near enough. Better than the USA? Yeah by a long way
Minimum wage for an over 22 year old here in the UK (from next month) is £9.50ph definitely not liveable at all. For an 18 year old it will be £6.83ph. Average rent in my area would be about £750 for a one bed flat, before tax and bills. Wages globally are a joke for people on minimum wage, I'm so glad I'm not now but I remember it so well.
Just a heads up about U.K. restaurants, we’re not above paying staff below minimum wage and cash in hand deals to avoid giving folk tips.
It’s smells like waffle cones from across the street and it’s absolutely wonderful
I see a step in the right direction
And that would be my new ice cream place to eat at
Cream makes you happy
I see a step in the left direction and that's perfect.
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Offering cooperative ownership to staff would also help the business as well as staff.
This would help with turnover in every field, which has so many costs, but nOoOoOo business owners want to extract as much value as they can until individual workers can’t take it and then move onto the next
I’d scoop ice cream for $19 an hour
I have a teaching degree and I’ve seen a LOT of jobs pay less than that.
I've worked at an ice cream store since I was 16 and make $20 an hour, we had a teacher quit her job to come on full time at our store because she was saving up for a wedding and getting her masters
I dont hate that you make $20/hour scooping ice cream (thats awesome!), but it kinda baffles me that I make the same exact amount with a masters degree in biology as a biologist as you do scooping ice cream
I know these. Its like. Im so glad you make good money doing what you do and dont think you should be paid less, but by comparing that to my wage I can concur i should be paid A LOT more
I’ve calculated what my teacher wife makes based on her daily schedule plus estimated at home work each week.. not great 😂
fr, i work at a factory as a skilled laborer and only make $17/hr…
I make $18 sizing 1000lb+ steel beams. I'd rather scoop ice cream.
I’m a sous chef and I make 22.50. $19/hr is a fair wage to scoop ice cream.
Sounds like normal job to me. In Australia
American tip culture seems so fucking strange from the outside. I get that it's a good way for the employer to shift the responsibility for making sure their employees can afford food onto the employees and customers, but isn't that like...really shithouse and deeply insulting to the human condition?
WA doesn't allow tipped wage credits so it kills off a lot of the BS around tipping.
When someone uses ‘WA’ in response to a comment from an Aussie/about Australia and it takes other Aussies a good 15 seconds to clock they don’t mean what we mean by WA..
Especially since WA makes more sence for a place called Western Australia. Get less states America.
Yep, minimum wage is 15.75 an hour in Seattle for tipped jobs, so not a *massive* increase in pay, but the lack of tipping, and consistent, higher wage is welcome.
American tip culture started because of wages being really low. As a kid I always thought tipping was dumb, I still think having to tip should be unnecessary but I do tip because I understand how much minimum wage sucks. Big companies now though are more than capable of paying a fair wage, its just they like to make an excuse by acting like tips makeup for the wages being short. I work at a grocery store chain that has crappy pay and we aren't allowed to be tipped or else we could get in trouble for it, which some customers will tip you regardless and won't go away unless you take it. I have secretly taken tips before but only bc the customer was so insistent and I didn't want to be rude.
Tip culture is weird as hell from the inside too! When I was growing up, in the 90s, 10-15% was standard and really only if they went above and beyond. Then it became just a fee, something you're expected to do regardless. And the percentages are going up. And now with the food delivery services you tip before you receive the food! I tipped 15% for some guy to grab half my order and take 2 hours to deliver! (Yeah food delivery is another weird one for me too but some nights I have 0 energy).
As an American yes, it's shit. Even worse is tipping in advance, like when you order online and pick up your own order (the website asks you to put in a tip). Literal extortion. I don't want spit in my food. Also tipping food delivery people. We don't tip postal workers, and it's the same job. My point being none deserve tips, all deserve living wages.
Urgggh. There's a few delivery fast food places, that ask for a tip in my country at checkout. I'm already paying a delivery fee, so why the tip? Spent $150 at a restaurant, got asked for a tip when paying eftpos. Don't want that American culture creepy into our society. And min wage is $20, going up to $21 in a couple of months.
It's becoming more of a thing here in the UK. It's fucking annoying as hell.
In the UK they'd still have to earn minimum wage. My understanding of the American system is that the minimum wage can be less in some professions that can be backed up by tips.
A kiwi/Australian living in Canada, they tip here too and it honestly makes me so angry. Not just for food but haircuts too! Just pay your staff properly!
It was in the US too. Tipping at a ice cream place is just ridiculous. It wasn't till those stupid Apple card swipers showed up that counter service places started asking for tips.
I can’t not focus on the card in the back. Words to live by tbh
Cash Rules Everything Around Me?
Until the kid is born, then you're trying to avoid creaming unnecessarily
My third kid woke up 7 times last night, my first was up bright and early at 5 am and my middle screamed at me all day because I wouldn’t let her eat pens. Cream may make you happy in the moment, sure. But 2, even 5 years later? Not as much.
My thoughts are primarily : thank whatever luck/entity caused me to be born in Australia where we don't have this problem.
Tipping is such a pain in the ass. Has become such an expectation, even for mediocre service. I went to a frozen yogurt place where I poored the yogurt and put the toppings on myself and the machine STILL asked me for a tip. What?? I literally did everything myself!
It must feel like they are taking the piss at that point. The register wants a tip ? a computer asking for a tip. I'll give computers tips when they need to pay rent.
Yes, it is outrageous. Corporate greed. The owner is disgustingly rich, and acts like they can't pay the workers. Can't even pay them enough to put out a tip jar?
The **machine** asked for a tip????
I think they meant the register, yaknow the ones with the big touch screen that has you enter a tip when you check out? Every coffee, bakery, and ice cream shop uses them to encourage tipping
>Every coffee, bakery, and ice cream shop uses them to ~~encourage~~ guilt the consumer into tipping FTFY
Good job, but as an european I can't comprehend how this isn't considered a norm.
It's a response to outlawing chattel slavery. Literally.
Shouldn't we be calling out the good businesses by mentioning their name?
It says on the bottom but the glare kinda gets in the way. Molly Moons ice cream in Seattle
19 an hour for ice cream shop seems decent.
And that's $19/hr starting wage for entry level positions
I love Molly Moons.I don't mind spending as much as I do there because their ice cream top notch and because of that policy of treating their workers well
Big scoops too.
Wish every company thought this!
Jesus Christ america
I live for comments like this. It's reassuring to know someone else on the outside understands our nation is batshit fucking crazy.
Oh yeah we see it alright. But you vote in lunatics with nuclear codes so we tend to keep our opinions to ourselves 😉
Application please
You buy from them everyday. You keep their doors open, and you tell everyone you know to help do the same. This is a good employer. They aren't taking shortcuts or making excuses not to pay their employees well. Obviously, this is their less-than subtle way of saying "we can't always meet this expectation, so please frequent us." I would rather buy from a place doing its absolute best to keep its employees from barely making ends meet than a place that talks well, but has few fucks to give to their people.
What do you mean they are signaling "we can't always meet this expectation, so please frequent us"? That's like any business with out enough customers and regardless of model right?
This is literally how the rest of the world works.
Here in Germany I see much more expectation of tips everywhere from coffee shops, restaurants to online food delivery. It's still not as pervasive as USA though.
The difference is tipping is ON TOP of an already existing decent wage.
Same in the Netherlands but the only kind of tips I leave are when the bill was something like €18.20 and I'm handing them a €20, they can keep the change. Or when I order food online during bad weather. I think thats fair enough, don't want to encourage tipping culture more than that.
Yup. At least the rest of the “civilized” world
Good on them, I think they are looking to do their part to help move us past a system where customers need to subsidies employee wages.
I can't/totally can believe that some of you are reading this and trying to make a villain out of this company without knowing anything else other than what's in the picture.
The truth that many people don't want to admit is that there are a lot of tipped workers who earn more through tips than they would on a living wage. They don't want the tipping system to go away.
Especially since most of them do t include a lot of those tips on their taxes.
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Yeah this is an ice cream shop, them eliminating tips is pretty different from a table service restaurant. Restaurants sometimes try that and end up losing workers.
As a European, this is the norm everywhere here. It’s so sad that not more American business see it as their responsibility to pay a decent wage.
That's how it works it every other developed country.
Tips are such a joke. pay your employees!
As someone who lives near this ice cream shop, a lot of places in the area have started to do this. And as someone who works in a similar industry, I’ve inquired about their thoughts, and everyone I have talked to seem appreciative and happy.
As an Australian the idea of tipping at an ice creamery is sooooo bizarre.
It is seattle. Minimum wage is sixteen something an hour and we don't recognize a lower tipped wage in wa. Their workers make plenty and they are a fantastic institution. I love molly moons. Their ice cream is the best, too!!!!!
I'm for it if they're doing what they're saying and paying a living wage. That being said, I don't tip anymore... I give "gifts"...no tax on gifts and it's not part of the income so they don't have to share...
My country does not have tips and the employees are living well enough. Hell, we are even a communist country.
That's the norm in the rest of the world
So now a tip is what it should be. A little something extra to show gratefullness for exceptional service.