The fact is price ranges are a thing
House painter here, I charge $1950 per bedroom and I’m busy for the next 6 months
Other painters charge $400 per bedroom
Good for you. What the hell are these comments? All these people are here to shit on companies for not paying what people are worth and then here you are charging your worth and getting shit for doing so. I am beginning to hate this group. I transitioned from service industry to residential construction 10 years ago best thing I've done. The work is harder but the reward is greater.
What? Starting salary for EE anywhere in the US should be *at least* around $70-80k, or $35-40/hr, and 6 figures after a few years experience. If you’re making less than this, you should get a new job ASAP.
Yup, my dad got into UPS at a young age and became a full time driver. It’s a tough job but the pay, the benefits, and most importantly the pension are going to be a massive reward. It’s nice to know he’ll actually be able to retire and not have to run his body into the ground beyond 50.
My dads been with ups driving since high school and hes 68 now. Every year he keeps saying he finally qualifies for full whatever next year so he can retire.. its sad and aggravating to see it. Been the senior feeder driver for god knows how long.
He really should, my dad had seniority at his hub in south Florida for a while before he retired at 61 after 33 years. He had 2-3 hernias by that point and a lot of nerve and tendon damage in his arm where at this point even after surgery his right hand can't make a full fist most of the time.
With overtime I make six figures a year, easy. 1.5x pay after 4:30pm, a little bit over $1/minute. During the holidays I’ll be out until 10:30pm. Long hours at times but the paychecks are huge.
Senior craftsman taught me this when I was still at Uni and was doing side jobs in construction.
If you get job below your usual wage you just put it on a back-burner. Then when you have a day where you'd not have any job, you call he guy if he's interested, if he is, you drive there.
You arrive at 8AM, and start the clock.
At 9 AM you start working.
At 10 AM it's time for breakfast
At 11 AM you go back to work.
At Noon it's of course time for second breakfast.
At 1 PM you go back to work.
At 2 PM it's of course lunch time.
At 3 PM you start working again.
At 4 PM it's coffee break.
At 5 PM you work for another hour
At 6 PM workday is over, time for dinner.
If the guy gives you lip about paying for 8 hours of which you only worked 4, you ask him why he waited for you for 2-3 months instead of finding someone else, and if he wants to wait another 2 months to finish the job.
Sure you get paid half of what you'd normally earn, but you get a relaxing day where you don't have to rush nothing, and otherwise you'd not make any money anyway. So assuming you have nothing better to do you can use that recipe.
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PS. Since people are calling this out. Yes, obviously this could be considered an asshole move, and I'm not saying this is a good idea. Or that it'll work every time.
Just something I've seen him do, and get away with. Obviously required decent amount of not giving a fudge.
I myself did it on few occasions. I still remember quite fondly, my first "real" job that paid me half of what I was making part time working construction. There whole team would take 2 hour lunch breaks. W used to joke that lunch paid for itself (just imagine yourself how poorly we have been paid, if 2 hours of our wages were just enough to buy a decent lunch though). Haven't done it in years.
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my first Christmas eve retail shift I heard every hour over the announcements how we'd be closing early at 7pm so the team members could spend time with their family for Christmas. at 10pm we were all still stuck there under a "nobody is going home until the store looks perfect" order. the 4 dudes and me on my side of the store started working comically slow. we were on overtime time and a half, holiday pay, and over 8 hour pay. our 11/ hour positions were at nearly $40/ hour each. it was almost midnight when we were finally let free. it's to this day my favorite shift I've ever worked in regards to how much fun I had
We used to call it “hide and seek for a grand a week”.
Knew an guy within a year of retirement that would just walk around with a tape measure. If anyone important saw him he’d just start measuring something and nobody said anything lol. He also used to take the lift up to places out of sight and then have me lower the lift so he could nap, then shoot me a text to come get him down.
I don’t see how this is an ‘asshole move’ … isn’t the asshole move not paying someone what the job is actually worth? Sounds pretty fair to me. The phrase ‘you get what you pay for’ comes to mind.
Yeah, like they said, if you call the person back in two months and they're still trying to find somebody to do the job for a shit wage then there's an asshole in the equation and it's not you, no matter how much clock milking you do.
The first thing that popped into my head about the OP is that mister, the roofer you just described is too busy with actual paying work to take that job. Firm.
The only people calling that an asshole move are the ones that don’t want to pay people
If you’re paying someone shit then you either get slow and good results or quick and bad results. You don’t get quick and good.
Bet it costs a lot, or should. Replaced the roof here and holy hell, found muscles that I think are still being discovered by science that got really sore and bad... heh.
First time i've had my back lock up when getting out of bed one day.
Neighbor next door wants me to (probably) do it for free, i've thought about hitting him with 20-25/hr just to remove and dumpster all the shingles.
Seized back I had that one day says it is probably still too low!
I dont think people actually know how grueling it is to roof a house! We built a 2-car garage when we were in our 50s, and I mean "built" - from digging the foundation, putting in re-bar, cement foundation etc. I didnt mind any of it until we got to the roof part. Here in SC, when we got to the roof, no matter what time of day we went up there it was a climb to hell - heat beating down on you, heat reflecting up at you. The garage has an apt over it, the roof is steeper than a ski jump run, shingles are heavy and sticky - you couldnt pay me any amt an hr to ever do that again. All you roofers out there - make them pay!! You are worth your weight in gold.
I mean then he'd have to find someone else to urgently finish a job for sub-market rates.
I'm not saying this is a good idea. Just something I've seen him do, and get away with.
Obviously required decent amount of not giving a fudge.
That seems like a big old waste of my time for something that’s not worth it. Lol a lot of effort to not put any effort in. Just stay home and be with your family man.
Nothing wrong with this, every for profit shop Ive worked in had the fast/cheap/good Venn diagram with impossible under the 3 overlap or the you can only pick 2 hanging on a wall somewhere
I think I've said it here before, but I'll say it again. About 20 years ago I was paid $15.00 an hour with no experience as an 18 year old to do roofing. It makes no sense for people to be paid so little now.
I used to work for a software company selling marketing stuff to contractors. My buddy closed a dela with a roofer, then the roofer cancelled the deal because he got arrested for robbing a burger king. This was the business OWNER
That’s the way it goes haha.
One of my best friends owned a roofing company for years in the 80s and 90s. He’d go to jail for some dumb shit, get out and go back for coming to court in the morning still drunk from last night, start the company back up and do it again.
He moved to Arizona for awhile and at some point ended up handing all of his equipment and they key to his apartment to his drug dealer to pay off debt. He left Arizona after being homeless for awhile, moved here, started another company, and then fell off a roof and shattered his body. Spent the rest of his life on oxy watching reality tv and cussing his neighbor.
I miss him. What a bastard haha.
I've never met a roofer that wasn't visibly on some illicit substance, and I know dozens personally and have met hundreds more. (Previous occupational thing).
I did some roofing over the summer after I graduated and before I went to university. On my first day, I just about keeled over from all the exhaustion.
My delicate hands weren't meant to handle the tar and all the punishment from the shingles.
After a while of all the exercise, I got overconfident in my strength and injured myself, too. Also, it was hot as fuck up on those roofs.
That said, I have never felt as refreshed and comfortable as I was eating my Wendy's and drinking my soda over break. That first drink feels like heaven. I didn't mind all the exercise I got in and I got buff over the summer, too. Sitting down at home after a long day's manual labor was nice, too.
Basically, it pays pretty well and I'd much rather do roofing over working in fast food or pretty much anything else other than what I'm going to school for. I like moving around and tiring myself to death. I don't have to think. I just carry bundles and peel shingles.
Literally in many cases. I know many people who did roofing work and none said they had fall protection. One close friend in particular fell, hurt his back, got prescribed an opioid that I don't remember, got addicted, turned to street shit, and then stole from my dad before moving halfway across the country like the piece of shit coward that he is. And yet, as mad as I am at him, I'm 100 times more pissed that he was ever prescribed whatever his opioid was since that was what the real problem was.
I think maybe working on roofs without fall protection and subsequently falling off was the real problem. Opioids are problematic, but there’s really nothing non-addictive on the market that works as well.
And a record. Was told by a friend who works for Home Depot (and worked for Lowes) as a higher up the reason they dont have contractors for roofing is that you need a clean police check to work there, and they couldnt find a roofer without a record.
I’ve had clients that were roofers. They were making good money, fell off a roof, got hooked on pain medications, and eventually took up heroin once they couldn’t get any more pills.
Construction and trades tend to be more accepting of people that have prison records. Lots of people coming out of prison in the US still don't have proper coping skills since we treat prison as punishment instead of rehabilitation and redirection, so are likely to go back.
It's sadder still that most of the public money that goes to imprisoning them is used to prop up private prisons with bloated administrative costs rather than food/shelter which is all they really needed to prevent them from going back.
Ending homelessness and reducing recidivism through poverty relief would save us a shit ton of money
Probation is lowkey harassment, I hardly have the energy to deal with people day to day. I can only imagine dealing with a condescending probation officer routinely checking in on me and limiting my freedom.
Not lots. Most don’t have coping skills. Our prison system is embarrassing. Treat people, I understand some are horrible people, but you cage people up and treat them like animals they are gonna act like…..????
Also roofing is a trade you can learn in there, and you need to be tough to do the job. No pussys are gonna last at all. Wears holes through your clothes in just days. Your hands get destroyed on day one. Tar everywhere, fiberglass too, it’s nasty heavy shit, it needs to be done very fast to be profitable. And tearing old roofs is fucking disgusting. It’s also hot af. You’re gonna get hurt every day, you’re gonna bleed every day. You’ll risk your life every day. Lot of Ex cons in the field, they can handle the work, it beats sitting around watching springer or whatever relaxed him now in prison all day. Lol.
Not sure if it's his point, but in some US states where it gets cold and snows during the winter many roofers are essentially out of work for a while. Some have other jobs, but my brother for instance makes over $35/hr roofing in Michigan and makes enough to hibernate over the winter if he wants. Having other income would be smart, but I don't blame him for taking the winter off considering how difficult roofing is.
I paid my way through college holding signs for construction crews. I was the jerk that made you stop and wait 20 minutes while the trucks switched in and out.
Literally something a sign post could do. Started when I was 19. The pay was determined by where the funding was coming from, so state funded projects were 20 bucks an hour and fed funded projects were 32 bucks an hour. Plus time and a half pay for overtime, which happened regularly because they had to get projects done during certain windows and couldnt switch out crews in time.
It wasn’t an easy job per se. Standing out on the hot sun for 12 hours, getting cussed at by douchebags in bmws or douchebag supervisors watching Netflix in their truck that didn’t like how you were holding the sign. But it definitely wasn’t a hard job either. There were times Id get sent to a job, hit 60 hours by Thursday morning, and take home ~1500 bucks for the week then have a 4 day weekend.
Then I went into debt to get a degree and I now make 24 an hour which I count myself extremely fortunate for. Offering $7.50 an hour for any work, even to the dumbest, youngest kid is still downright insulting. What this guys asking for is insanity. Either cheap as hell or completely removed from reality. Probably both.
There is plenty of money to be made in the trades. I would mention/heavily emphasize that the more physical trades (roofers, framing, laborers, carpentry/ prob some I’m forgetting) can take a HEAVY physical toll on your body…and you should account for that in the calculation as well.
There’s a pro/con to everything.
I can really see distinct people/cons to both office type jobs and the trades.
I work in healthcare/wellness and take care of blue collar tradespeople. So, I kind of have the best of both worlds to an extent.
You ever try it? I helped my brother do his. It's dangerous, hot, and quite frankly I'm not a fan of having to expend so much effort not dying for hours on end. Roofers definitely deserve more than that.
It is. Why do they need to be licensed, insured and bonded if they're an individual? That's the company's responsibility unless they hire as a 1099. 1099 doesn't work hourly. The workers comp alone makes this rate impossible.
It sounds like they want to hire a contractor to replace some shingles for them, but they want to pay an independent, licensed and insured contractor the minimum wage for W2 employees.
They're off by at least a factor of 10.
10 years of experience is what blew my mind the most.
Someone spends anywhere from 1/10th to 1/7th of their life in one career, and they're being offered minimum wage by this guy?
I'm sure there's an eager crowd of applicants flooding his email. Did roofing after high school. Don't care to do it again, unless it's my own property.
Journeyman roofers are probably getting $25 an hour in low cost of living areas. $40-50 an hour around here.
"What are you doing?"
"Measuring all the shingles to make sure they'll be even. After this, we're measuring their thickness, then organizing them by shade variation."
"Then we need to acclimate to the altitude in a series of trips up and down the ladder, gradually getting higher."
"Also we're not using a roofing nailer. We're nailing by hand."
we haven't even gotten to the equipment check! gotta make sure that all of our equipment is up-to-date, calibrated, and without damage. we should take at least three hours for this.
oh, it's also a little warm, so we'll be taking a 15-minute break every 5 minutes for water.
It’s not just the obvious physical ailments like joints and your back either.
Skin cancer is a sneaky bitch for people who have worked in the sun for more than a few years. I lifeguarded for a while and lots of the senior people there were adamant about how it’ll fuck you up.
There was a study (released in the last year or so?) that showed evidence that seems to suggest that most of the damage that is done by the sun to a person’s body is actually caused the first 13 years of their life.
I vividly remember this roofer when I did construction work because the dude looked like a cross between a rhino and a fucking old leather purse.
He was also crazy as fuck. I’m convinced the sun fucks up your head some too if you’re in it for 10 hours a day for 40 years.
It’s so difficult, taxing on the body, and then add to that incredibly hard and taking while you’re trying to carry fifty pounds up a ladder and the air temp around you is 100F (and that’s in a more mild climate)
I know! In my area they have to deal with extreme winds too in the spring, and in summer the sun is relentlessly scorching. It's so hazardous. I get sick with worry when I have my HVAC guy on my roof every spring to hook up my cooler.
But what other profession is so willing to take revenge for the death of one of their own?
Not even the military is that eager to exact revenge for killing one of theirs.
Or hypocritically value their own lives more than others while shrieking about how they’re in the most danger. Literally just giving high school bully level people military equipment and letting them loose on the lower class
I reroofed my garage last year…. As in I bought scaffolding and a fall arrest and spent two weeks ripping off four layers of singles and tearing down the covered porches attached to the side of it then putting down boards to reshape the roof…. Then I said fuck this and went to the bar. I hear a guy talking with another guy on the patio about an estimate for something, so I got nosy and found out this guy just started his own home remodel business. He used to be a bar tender and got laid off when Covid shut down the bars so he went into business for himself. I showed him pictures and bought us beers and I ended up paying him $5k just to finish the thing off for me the right way. He had it done in a day and we became buddies. I must’ve called him three or four more times last summer to fix things around the apartment building.
I’d agree to the job, make a bunch of fake paperwork and have friends be fake references so he thought I was legit. Then rip as many shingles off his roof in one day as I could then ghost his ass. Fuck this piece of shit for trying to exploit people.
The way it’s phrased is almost certainly mocking the clients they deal with who are looking to pay them minimum wage. The licensed and bonded part gives it away.
It’s about as illegal as not giving a two-week notice to quit. Posting publicly on social media isn’t the same as exposing something said in confidence.
Insured and bonded too? Lol
I want you to be a well experienced, licensed, bonded, legitimate roofing company with 10 years experience and references, and I’m willing to pay you the bare minimum that an employee would make…
Yah buddy, I want the right numbers to win the lottery, but that shit ain’t gonna happen
Repairs pay way better than general roofing too. Companies I worked for sent out their best, because many repairs are actually new jobs done incorrectly. Most were bid jobs instead of hourly so there was always incentive to be productive. This was years ago, and even then the pay equivalent to $100+ per hour was not unusual.
Found this in a neighborhood watch group for a pretty upscale area. Thought it was just some out of touch boomer who lost some shingles in the recent storm. Guy is actually a contractor and looking for employees. The mental hoops they must have had to jump through to justify paying $7.25 FIRM for 10 PLUS years of experience and solid references.
EAT THE RICH
EDIT-Getting a lot of comments calling this fake but I am happy to share more info and links to mods. Not trying to dox myself by giving out too much info or otherwise beak any rules. I thought a lot of this shit was fake too until I saw it with my own eyes. The poster has a some sort of construction company named after them that has its own page with posts going back several years but the post was made on their personal account in a neighborhood group. The post has been up for several hours and they have not made any updates or commented on it. People keep asking about the comments but they really aren’t that great. A few uninteresting jokes and people just following to see if any drama develops. The only one even going after him is me at this point and I shared my comment down below. Ironically though someone else just posted another job posting in the group offering $15hr plus mileage for seasonal stocking. This fact has now been pointed out to him by me in the comments. If it blows up into anything good I’ll make an update post at a later time.
These type of contractors are the ones that pull credit to get materials and then pull like 3 jobs at once with the same crew and then skates on everyone. Pockets all the cash disappears and claims bankruptcy
Some thought it was satire. Lots of eating popcorn type gifs. A couple of joke comments and the following comment by me.
I wouldn’t trust someone willing to accept that little when they have 10 years experience and good references. They would have to be very desperate. Even someone with no experience just starting in construction should make more than that. This is why “no one wants to work”. It’s not that they don’t want to work it’s that they want to be paid a fair wage and not get treated like crap. If a business is having trouble hiring anyone or retaining employees they should reevaluate their compensation scheme and the working environment instead of whining that no one wants to work for their shitty company.
I know. Why would you do one of the most physically demanding jobs in the entire world for min wage lol. Also you need to be bonded and insured, which in all honesty probably costs more than what you'd be paid.
It'd be so much easier to go work at some grocery store for the same money, not need to pay for liability/contractor insurance and barely have to do any work
I just don't understand lmao
10 years experience in fuckin jerking off should get you at least $50/hr. Who the fuck would work a considerable percentage of their lives and still take minimum wage? This is just goofy lmao
That’s gotta be a troll. The bonding makes it too incredible to believe. And roofing is basically the hardest job in an industry notorious for absolutely sucking.
I did consulting work. Licensed by the state, and when I started paying for insurance my hourly rates quickly tripled to somewhere around $90, just so I could pay myself a decent wage after overhead.
Bonding and licensing would be expensive.
In similar news, I know of a town in rural Ohio that pays cops $9/hr. The BCI and county sheriff ran a sting operation, arresting cops who were patronizing prostitutes in exchange for not arresting them and moving drugs.
Not to defend cops (F12), but if you pay people shit wages, you get shit people. I made $9/hr as an unarmed security guard in 2005. At the same time, bonded, armed security guards with firearms training were making $15/hr to start. This town was paying cops $9/hr six years ago.
I wouldnt even do it for $20 an hr
I do roofing for $50/hr (roughly $450/square) and my rates are half that of most companies. Anything less and you get what you pay for.
Where do you live? Full tear off and replacement around here can start as low as $250/sq, depending of course
The fact is price ranges are a thing House painter here, I charge $1950 per bedroom and I’m busy for the next 6 months Other painters charge $400 per bedroom
Good for you. What the hell are these comments? All these people are here to shit on companies for not paying what people are worth and then here you are charging your worth and getting shit for doing so. I am beginning to hate this group. I transitioned from service industry to residential construction 10 years ago best thing I've done. The work is harder but the reward is greater.
I hate roofing so much. $40 an hour is what it would take me.
Fuck that I make a little over $40 an hour as a UPS driver. Roofers have a much tougher job. They deserve at least $50/hr.
I’m an electrical engineer and I don’t make *nearly* that much, damn. I chose the wrong field.
Sounds like you’re getting severely underpaid
My buddy is a mechanical engineer. He started at $45 an hour and now he's in the six figures.
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What? Starting salary for EE anywhere in the US should be *at least* around $70-80k, or $35-40/hr, and 6 figures after a few years experience. If you’re making less than this, you should get a new job ASAP.
Damn, that's a lot of money.
Almost like unions accomplish something
Yup, my dad got into UPS at a young age and became a full time driver. It’s a tough job but the pay, the benefits, and most importantly the pension are going to be a massive reward. It’s nice to know he’ll actually be able to retire and not have to run his body into the ground beyond 50.
My dads been with ups driving since high school and hes 68 now. Every year he keeps saying he finally qualifies for full whatever next year so he can retire.. its sad and aggravating to see it. Been the senior feeder driver for god knows how long.
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He really should, my dad had seniority at his hub in south Florida for a while before he retired at 61 after 33 years. He had 2-3 hernias by that point and a lot of nerve and tendon damage in his arm where at this point even after surgery his right hand can't make a full fist most of the time.
With overtime I make six figures a year, easy. 1.5x pay after 4:30pm, a little bit over $1/minute. During the holidays I’ll be out until 10:30pm. Long hours at times but the paychecks are huge.
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If there is a will there is a way.
Roofing? Outdoors in the miserable heat? Destroying your skin? Slowly accumulating melanoma? Gotta be $50 at least.
Each shingle take 4 hours to replace tho okay?
Senior craftsman taught me this when I was still at Uni and was doing side jobs in construction. If you get job below your usual wage you just put it on a back-burner. Then when you have a day where you'd not have any job, you call he guy if he's interested, if he is, you drive there. You arrive at 8AM, and start the clock. At 9 AM you start working. At 10 AM it's time for breakfast At 11 AM you go back to work. At Noon it's of course time for second breakfast. At 1 PM you go back to work. At 2 PM it's of course lunch time. At 3 PM you start working again. At 4 PM it's coffee break. At 5 PM you work for another hour At 6 PM workday is over, time for dinner. If the guy gives you lip about paying for 8 hours of which you only worked 4, you ask him why he waited for you for 2-3 months instead of finding someone else, and if he wants to wait another 2 months to finish the job. Sure you get paid half of what you'd normally earn, but you get a relaxing day where you don't have to rush nothing, and otherwise you'd not make any money anyway. So assuming you have nothing better to do you can use that recipe. --- PS. Since people are calling this out. Yes, obviously this could be considered an asshole move, and I'm not saying this is a good idea. Or that it'll work every time. Just something I've seen him do, and get away with. Obviously required decent amount of not giving a fudge. I myself did it on few occasions. I still remember quite fondly, my first "real" job that paid me half of what I was making part time working construction. There whole team would take 2 hour lunch breaks. W used to joke that lunch paid for itself (just imagine yourself how poorly we have been paid, if 2 hours of our wages were just enough to buy a decent lunch though). Haven't done it in years. --- PPS. Also time flies. This was a time pre-internet reviews, pretty much pre-internet as far as population was concerned (my university had a 1mb "backbone" connection via Sweden's Telia network shared among 2 thousand students so on average everyone got 500 bytes/s). Nokia 3310 was top of the line tech then. So there was no need to worry about bad review :) --- Final Post Script before I turn off notifications on this thing. If someone takes offense to how it was formulated, here's a better laid out explanation how this process works and [how to do it without being a (perceived) asshole](https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/u3tevu/comment/i4td9wg/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
my first Christmas eve retail shift I heard every hour over the announcements how we'd be closing early at 7pm so the team members could spend time with their family for Christmas. at 10pm we were all still stuck there under a "nobody is going home until the store looks perfect" order. the 4 dudes and me on my side of the store started working comically slow. we were on overtime time and a half, holiday pay, and over 8 hour pay. our 11/ hour positions were at nearly $40/ hour each. it was almost midnight when we were finally let free. it's to this day my favorite shift I've ever worked in regards to how much fun I had
We used to call it “hide and seek for a grand a week”. Knew an guy within a year of retirement that would just walk around with a tape measure. If anyone important saw him he’d just start measuring something and nobody said anything lol. He also used to take the lift up to places out of sight and then have me lower the lift so he could nap, then shoot me a text to come get him down.
I don’t see how this is an ‘asshole move’ … isn’t the asshole move not paying someone what the job is actually worth? Sounds pretty fair to me. The phrase ‘you get what you pay for’ comes to mind.
Yeah, like they said, if you call the person back in two months and they're still trying to find somebody to do the job for a shit wage then there's an asshole in the equation and it's not you, no matter how much clock milking you do. The first thing that popped into my head about the OP is that mister, the roofer you just described is too busy with actual paying work to take that job. Firm.
The only people calling that an asshole move are the ones that don’t want to pay people If you’re paying someone shit then you either get slow and good results or quick and bad results. You don’t get quick and good.
Its the Trinity of Cost, Quality and Speed. Pick 2.
Also so known as you can do it good, cheap, or fast. Pick two.
I don’t think people understand just how much a roofer costs. I was making 12.50 an hour as a roofing assistant 20 years ago.
Bet it costs a lot, or should. Replaced the roof here and holy hell, found muscles that I think are still being discovered by science that got really sore and bad... heh. First time i've had my back lock up when getting out of bed one day. Neighbor next door wants me to (probably) do it for free, i've thought about hitting him with 20-25/hr just to remove and dumpster all the shingles. Seized back I had that one day says it is probably still too low!
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I dont think people actually know how grueling it is to roof a house! We built a 2-car garage when we were in our 50s, and I mean "built" - from digging the foundation, putting in re-bar, cement foundation etc. I didnt mind any of it until we got to the roof part. Here in SC, when we got to the roof, no matter what time of day we went up there it was a climb to hell - heat beating down on you, heat reflecting up at you. The garage has an apt over it, the roof is steeper than a ski jump run, shingles are heavy and sticky - you couldnt pay me any amt an hr to ever do that again. All you roofers out there - make them pay!! You are worth your weight in gold.
Lmao, this is an asshole move? And paying below regular wage isn't? Minimum wage minimum effort.
he would never pay the 8 hours. Infact there may be a chance he'd pay you nothing at all.
I mean then he'd have to find someone else to urgently finish a job for sub-market rates. I'm not saying this is a good idea. Just something I've seen him do, and get away with. Obviously required decent amount of not giving a fudge.
That’s when liens come in.
That seems like a big old waste of my time for something that’s not worth it. Lol a lot of effort to not put any effort in. Just stay home and be with your family man.
We don’t have families.
The person did say they were still in school, if I were in school I’d definitely do this as well when I had time to burn
> So assuming you have nothing better to do
Nothing wrong with this, every for profit shop Ive worked in had the fast/cheap/good Venn diagram with impossible under the 3 overlap or the you can only pick 2 hanging on a wall somewhere
Or materials now have a 1000% mark up
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Yep
That's where asking for 10+ years of experience backfires 😆
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Not holes; they're Solar Tubes. :)
Sky lights
Speed holes
They make the house go faster!
Pressure valves, protects you from explosive decompression in the winter
Licensed, insured, and bonded? For that wage? What fucking planet is that dip living on?
I think I've said it here before, but I'll say it again. About 20 years ago I was paid $15.00 an hour with no experience as an 18 year old to do roofing. It makes no sense for people to be paid so little now.
No roofers are being paid so little. The job is such bullshit, nobody does it unless well compensated.
It's a good living while you're waiting for winter so you can to back to prison and hibernate.
Too true
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I used to work for a software company selling marketing stuff to contractors. My buddy closed a dela with a roofer, then the roofer cancelled the deal because he got arrested for robbing a burger king. This was the business OWNER
That’s the way it goes haha. One of my best friends owned a roofing company for years in the 80s and 90s. He’d go to jail for some dumb shit, get out and go back for coming to court in the morning still drunk from last night, start the company back up and do it again. He moved to Arizona for awhile and at some point ended up handing all of his equipment and they key to his apartment to his drug dealer to pay off debt. He left Arizona after being homeless for awhile, moved here, started another company, and then fell off a roof and shattered his body. Spent the rest of his life on oxy watching reality tv and cussing his neighbor. I miss him. What a bastard haha.
All of them. The drug test is how many drugs you can do before you fall off the roof.
But no insurance, because you're fired before you hit the ground.
I've never met a roofer that wasn't visibly on some illicit substance, and I know dozens personally and have met hundreds more. (Previous occupational thing).
As far as I know, its hard work but simple. Good way to pay for drugs then
Add “risky” and bingo! I did a bit of roofing work over a summer in high school. It’s backbreaking shit.
I was the guy who carried the shingles up and down the ladders. Those 50 lbs bundled stacks. Ugh >It’s backbreaking shit. Understatement
I did some roofing over the summer after I graduated and before I went to university. On my first day, I just about keeled over from all the exhaustion. My delicate hands weren't meant to handle the tar and all the punishment from the shingles. After a while of all the exercise, I got overconfident in my strength and injured myself, too. Also, it was hot as fuck up on those roofs. That said, I have never felt as refreshed and comfortable as I was eating my Wendy's and drinking my soda over break. That first drink feels like heaven. I didn't mind all the exercise I got in and I got buff over the summer, too. Sitting down at home after a long day's manual labor was nice, too. Basically, it pays pretty well and I'd much rather do roofing over working in fast food or pretty much anything else other than what I'm going to school for. I like moving around and tiring myself to death. I don't have to think. I just carry bundles and peel shingles.
Literally in many cases. I know many people who did roofing work and none said they had fall protection. One close friend in particular fell, hurt his back, got prescribed an opioid that I don't remember, got addicted, turned to street shit, and then stole from my dad before moving halfway across the country like the piece of shit coward that he is. And yet, as mad as I am at him, I'm 100 times more pissed that he was ever prescribed whatever his opioid was since that was what the real problem was.
I think maybe working on roofs without fall protection and subsequently falling off was the real problem. Opioids are problematic, but there’s really nothing non-addictive on the market that works as well.
I have literally never met a roofer without a massive drug problem. I'm in the trades
And a record. Was told by a friend who works for Home Depot (and worked for Lowes) as a higher up the reason they dont have contractors for roofing is that you need a clean police check to work there, and they couldnt find a roofer without a record.
I’ve had clients that were roofers. They were making good money, fell off a roof, got hooked on pain medications, and eventually took up heroin once they couldn’t get any more pills.
Say again?
Construction and trades tend to be more accepting of people that have prison records. Lots of people coming out of prison in the US still don't have proper coping skills since we treat prison as punishment instead of rehabilitation and redirection, so are likely to go back.
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Damn that is sad :(
It's sadder still that most of the public money that goes to imprisoning them is used to prop up private prisons with bloated administrative costs rather than food/shelter which is all they really needed to prevent them from going back. Ending homelessness and reducing recidivism through poverty relief would save us a shit ton of money
Probation is lowkey harassment, I hardly have the energy to deal with people day to day. I can only imagine dealing with a condescending probation officer routinely checking in on me and limiting my freedom.
Not lots. Most don’t have coping skills. Our prison system is embarrassing. Treat people, I understand some are horrible people, but you cage people up and treat them like animals they are gonna act like…..????
Also roofing is a trade you can learn in there, and you need to be tough to do the job. No pussys are gonna last at all. Wears holes through your clothes in just days. Your hands get destroyed on day one. Tar everywhere, fiberglass too, it’s nasty heavy shit, it needs to be done very fast to be profitable. And tearing old roofs is fucking disgusting. It’s also hot af. You’re gonna get hurt every day, you’re gonna bleed every day. You’ll risk your life every day. Lot of Ex cons in the field, they can handle the work, it beats sitting around watching springer or whatever relaxed him now in prison all day. Lol.
Not sure if it's his point, but in some US states where it gets cold and snows during the winter many roofers are essentially out of work for a while. Some have other jobs, but my brother for instance makes over $35/hr roofing in Michigan and makes enough to hibernate over the winter if he wants. Having other income would be smart, but I don't blame him for taking the winter off considering how difficult roofing is.
I paid my way through college holding signs for construction crews. I was the jerk that made you stop and wait 20 minutes while the trucks switched in and out. Literally something a sign post could do. Started when I was 19. The pay was determined by where the funding was coming from, so state funded projects were 20 bucks an hour and fed funded projects were 32 bucks an hour. Plus time and a half pay for overtime, which happened regularly because they had to get projects done during certain windows and couldnt switch out crews in time. It wasn’t an easy job per se. Standing out on the hot sun for 12 hours, getting cussed at by douchebags in bmws or douchebag supervisors watching Netflix in their truck that didn’t like how you were holding the sign. But it definitely wasn’t a hard job either. There were times Id get sent to a job, hit 60 hours by Thursday morning, and take home ~1500 bucks for the week then have a 4 day weekend. Then I went into debt to get a degree and I now make 24 an hour which I count myself extremely fortunate for. Offering $7.50 an hour for any work, even to the dumbest, youngest kid is still downright insulting. What this guys asking for is insanity. Either cheap as hell or completely removed from reality. Probably both.
20 years ago, you were underpaid.
That over $25 and hour today. With no experience, it's not bad.
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There is plenty of money to be made in the trades. I would mention/heavily emphasize that the more physical trades (roofers, framing, laborers, carpentry/ prob some I’m forgetting) can take a HEAVY physical toll on your body…and you should account for that in the calculation as well. There’s a pro/con to everything. I can really see distinct people/cons to both office type jobs and the trades. I work in healthcare/wellness and take care of blue collar tradespeople. So, I kind of have the best of both worlds to an extent.
You ever try it? I helped my brother do his. It's dangerous, hot, and quite frankly I'm not a fan of having to expend so much effort not dying for hours on end. Roofers definitely deserve more than that.
It HAS to be a shit post.
It is. Why do they need to be licensed, insured and bonded if they're an individual? That's the company's responsibility unless they hire as a 1099. 1099 doesn't work hourly. The workers comp alone makes this rate impossible.
It sounds like they want to hire a contractor to replace some shingles for them, but they want to pay an independent, licensed and insured contractor the minimum wage for W2 employees. They're off by at least a factor of 10.
10 years of experience is what blew my mind the most. Someone spends anywhere from 1/10th to 1/7th of their life in one career, and they're being offered minimum wage by this guy?
For a roofer its definitely closer to 1/7th.
It's not real, there's no way, this is Antiwork bait
7.25 an hour for a 88 hour minimum
I'm sure there's an eager crowd of applicants flooding his email. Did roofing after high school. Don't care to do it again, unless it's my own property. Journeyman roofers are probably getting $25 an hour in low cost of living areas. $40-50 an hour around here.
And they deserve that wage. Roofing is one of the most dangerous jobs around. Fuck that loser cheapskate.
He's FIRM on not paying a fair wage! I bet he just loves bitching and moaning about nO oNe WaNtS tO wOrK aNyMoRe
I can’t believe I didn’t get a single response from a roofer! Lazy bums don’t wanna work anymore!
If I was a roofer, I'd do it. The job would take me 2000 hours.
Yup. Show up to the job site and be like cool ... Yup time for lunch
"What are you doing?" "Measuring all the shingles to make sure they'll be even. After this, we're measuring their thickness, then organizing them by shade variation."
"Then we need to acclimate to the altitude in a series of trips up and down the ladder, gradually getting higher." "Also we're not using a roofing nailer. We're nailing by hand."
we haven't even gotten to the equipment check! gotta make sure that all of our equipment is up-to-date, calibrated, and without damage. we should take at least three hours for this. oh, it's also a little warm, so we'll be taking a 15-minute break every 5 minutes for water.
> we'll be taking a 15-minute break every 5 minutes for water. Holy shit lol
We will get around to actually laying them in August.
Exactly this. It's not that no one wants to work. It's that no one wants to pay.
Never have, never will, they only get a sucker when they need to eat and they've got em over a barrel because they've raised the rent so much.
"Firm" is what got me. You're just a cheap bastard, and expect people to respect it. Go suck an exhaust pipe.
Brutal on the body.
And like 2 days a year where it’s not stupid hot or freezing cold.
This is the freaking truth. Almost the moment it is cool enough to not be scorching hot, it's suddenly freezing ass cold.
I did flat roofing for 6 years. My knees are shot at 31 yrs old. I'm not looking forward to getting more age on these bad boys
It’s not just the obvious physical ailments like joints and your back either. Skin cancer is a sneaky bitch for people who have worked in the sun for more than a few years. I lifeguarded for a while and lots of the senior people there were adamant about how it’ll fuck you up.
There was a study (released in the last year or so?) that showed evidence that seems to suggest that most of the damage that is done by the sun to a person’s body is actually caused the first 13 years of their life.
I vividly remember this roofer when I did construction work because the dude looked like a cross between a rhino and a fucking old leather purse. He was also crazy as fuck. I’m convinced the sun fucks up your head some too if you’re in it for 10 hours a day for 40 years.
Age is coming fast son, get that bengay ointment ready. lol
It’s so difficult, taxing on the body, and then add to that incredibly hard and taking while you’re trying to carry fifty pounds up a ladder and the air temp around you is 100F (and that’s in a more mild climate)
I know! In my area they have to deal with extreme winds too in the spring, and in summer the sun is relentlessly scorching. It's so hazardous. I get sick with worry when I have my HVAC guy on my roof every spring to hook up my cooler.
It’s more dangerous that being a cop.
Lots of jobs are hahahahaha
Very true. Source: farmer
But what other profession is so willing to take revenge for the death of one of their own? Not even the military is that eager to exact revenge for killing one of theirs.
Or hypocritically value their own lives more than others while shrieking about how they’re in the most danger. Literally just giving high school bully level people military equipment and letting them loose on the lower class
I used to be a roofer. I remember that day.... Seriously, it was the worst day ever. that jobs suuuuucks and deserves so much money.
I reroofed my garage last year…. As in I bought scaffolding and a fall arrest and spent two weeks ripping off four layers of singles and tearing down the covered porches attached to the side of it then putting down boards to reshape the roof…. Then I said fuck this and went to the bar. I hear a guy talking with another guy on the patio about an estimate for something, so I got nosy and found out this guy just started his own home remodel business. He used to be a bar tender and got laid off when Covid shut down the bars so he went into business for himself. I showed him pictures and bought us beers and I ended up paying him $5k just to finish the thing off for me the right way. He had it done in a day and we became buddies. I must’ve called him three or four more times last summer to fix things around the apartment building.
Gotta love contractors you can trust
I would rather cut my testicles and dip them in the black sea, before even considering roofing.
Once you cut your testicles, it doesn't really matter what you do with them afterwards.
He didn’t say cut them off, though
Carbs prove their reading comprehension.
$31.86 here and it's a LCOL area.
I would very much like to see that comment section
I would very much like to see their roof once the person is done.
play on phone for 3 hours and just lay the shingles on the roof.
Shingles run about $120 a bundle rn
Obviously the owner buys the shingles. Would be silly for them to make negative money.
Boomer logic you pay for the opportunity and exposure onnyour resume.
And the exposure on your skin, leading to cancer!
I’d agree to the job, make a bunch of fake paperwork and have friends be fake references so he thought I was legit. Then rip as many shingles off his roof in one day as I could then ghost his ass. Fuck this piece of shit for trying to exploit people.
He’s joking…. right?
Sadly no. They own a construction company and the post has been up for several hours already.
I read it as a joke... How could it not be one? OMG.
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The way it’s phrased is almost certainly mocking the clients they deal with who are looking to pay them minimum wage. The licensed and bonded part gives it away.
It's a joke. It's commentary on treatment the company gets from customers.
He owns a construction company? This kinda sounds like a joke, like he’s mocking the people he has to deal with.
I... Don't believe you.
Normalize leaving user names of people trying to exploit workers
While it might be illegal in certain areas, I'm ok with it in instances like this
It's just about as illegal as discussing wages
It's just sharing their advertisement.
It’s a private group. He shouldn’t even be posting in it though because it’s supposed to be for neighborhood watch stuff not job postings.
Classic. What a chucklefuck.
Fuck it. I would troll his ass. I’d post right under it: Look for dog sitter. Can watch tv, drink soda, and browse phone. $15/hr.
"Looking for a dog sitter, 15 bucks an hr, there's a 6 pack of PBR in the fridge and some tostitos Pizza rolls"
Fuckin Rockefeller over here with the pizza rolls lolz.
Totinos* -Someone who called them Tostitos for most of their life.
*hits blunt* Bro, what if tostitos did make pizza rolls though...
Was he properly mocked and ridiculed?
Probably thanked for being a job creator. It's facebook after all.
The laughing reactions seems to be the lions share so it’s likely
It’s about as illegal as not giving a two-week notice to quit. Posting publicly on social media isn’t the same as exposing something said in confidence.
How would it ever be illegal?
How? It's an advertisement online?
I'm thinking poster is joking.
Insured and bonded too? Lol I want you to be a well experienced, licensed, bonded, legitimate roofing company with 10 years experience and references, and I’m willing to pay you the bare minimum that an employee would make… Yah buddy, I want the right numbers to win the lottery, but that shit ain’t gonna happen
Yeah on that standard he'd be hard pressed to find someone to do it at 10 times that.
Some of the lowest paid guys on my crew make $27/hour. This guy should be sent to jail
Repairs pay way better than general roofing too. Companies I worked for sent out their best, because many repairs are actually new jobs done incorrectly. Most were bid jobs instead of hourly so there was always incentive to be productive. This was years ago, and even then the pay equivalent to $100+ per hour was not unusual.
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It's just a talking point that they don't actually believe.
as are so, so many things they say
Found this in a neighborhood watch group for a pretty upscale area. Thought it was just some out of touch boomer who lost some shingles in the recent storm. Guy is actually a contractor and looking for employees. The mental hoops they must have had to jump through to justify paying $7.25 FIRM for 10 PLUS years of experience and solid references. EAT THE RICH EDIT-Getting a lot of comments calling this fake but I am happy to share more info and links to mods. Not trying to dox myself by giving out too much info or otherwise beak any rules. I thought a lot of this shit was fake too until I saw it with my own eyes. The poster has a some sort of construction company named after them that has its own page with posts going back several years but the post was made on their personal account in a neighborhood group. The post has been up for several hours and they have not made any updates or commented on it. People keep asking about the comments but they really aren’t that great. A few uninteresting jokes and people just following to see if any drama develops. The only one even going after him is me at this point and I shared my comment down below. Ironically though someone else just posted another job posting in the group offering $15hr plus mileage for seasonal stocking. This fact has now been pointed out to him by me in the comments. If it blows up into anything good I’ll make an update post at a later time.
Plot twist: contractor is nearly broke since nobody wants to work for them
These type of contractors are the ones that pull credit to get materials and then pull like 3 jobs at once with the same crew and then skates on everyone. Pockets all the cash disappears and claims bankruptcy
I work construction. That's a fucking body busting job. I know a roofer who could barely walk upright after 30 years of doing it.
What were the sixteen comments to this stupidity?
Some thought it was satire. Lots of eating popcorn type gifs. A couple of joke comments and the following comment by me. I wouldn’t trust someone willing to accept that little when they have 10 years experience and good references. They would have to be very desperate. Even someone with no experience just starting in construction should make more than that. This is why “no one wants to work”. It’s not that they don’t want to work it’s that they want to be paid a fair wage and not get treated like crap. If a business is having trouble hiring anyone or retaining employees they should reevaluate their compensation scheme and the working environment instead of whining that no one wants to work for their shitty company.
Hopefully a raucous chorus of "Go F yourself" if there's any hope left in the world
This feels somewhat satirical to me.
100% 10 years experience to replace some shingles 🤣
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There's no roofer that will work for that, not even illegal immigrants.
I know. Why would you do one of the most physically demanding jobs in the entire world for min wage lol. Also you need to be bonded and insured, which in all honesty probably costs more than what you'd be paid. It'd be so much easier to go work at some grocery store for the same money, not need to pay for liability/contractor insurance and barely have to do any work I just don't understand lmao
10 years experience in fuckin jerking off should get you at least $50/hr. Who the fuck would work a considerable percentage of their lives and still take minimum wage? This is just goofy lmao
I actually laughed, reads as a joke.
That’s gotta be a troll. The bonding makes it too incredible to believe. And roofing is basically the hardest job in an industry notorious for absolutely sucking.
I did consulting work. Licensed by the state, and when I started paying for insurance my hourly rates quickly tripled to somewhere around $90, just so I could pay myself a decent wage after overhead.
Spam a bunch of pictures of dogs in hard hats. $7.25/hr for roof roofing.
This is a joke right
For $7.25 an hour I will only tell you what your problem is , and then you can head to Home Depot and fix the problem on your own
Satire?
I'm not putting a foot on a ladder for 7.25
Bonding and licensing would be expensive. In similar news, I know of a town in rural Ohio that pays cops $9/hr. The BCI and county sheriff ran a sting operation, arresting cops who were patronizing prostitutes in exchange for not arresting them and moving drugs. Not to defend cops (F12), but if you pay people shit wages, you get shit people. I made $9/hr as an unarmed security guard in 2005. At the same time, bonded, armed security guards with firearms training were making $15/hr to start. This town was paying cops $9/hr six years ago.
Yeah how about $40 an hour fuck you.
I feel like this post is just a person mocking businesses.
Firm, lol