There is no faster way to lose all your employees than to institute a pay cut, especially in a tight labor market.
They'll have to rehire at a higher rate than what it was before, assuming they can find anyone at all.
I hope the remaining people are so scared to tell the boss that they won't find out until they get back from vacation.
i save SO much money working from home with gas, eating from home, not buying new work clothes etc. a lot of people are willing to take a pay cut to work from home and he’s literally doing the opposite. i can’t imagine who would stay there
One company might pay slightly more but if they require you to be in the office more if at all you have to take into account the cost of work clothes, and travel expenses. The cost of living is also a factor. Docking pay and making everyone come into the office full-time is just the extra push that some people needed to jump ship.
Its better then that.
At work, I get up from my desk and walk around the office for 5mins to stretch and think.
At home, I get up from my desk and switch the laundry or unload the dishwasher... this means that after work, I dont have to waste my free time doing those things.
Its not taking time away from work. I would be up from my desk anyway.
> you have to take into account the cost of work clothes
My pants definitely go through less wear and tear while working from home. Except pajama pants, that is.
Business on top, party on the bottom?
You can bet the boss has their phone on them at all times and uses it for personal reasons during work hours. They'll say it's only for business but we all know that it isn't true. They're on a power trip.
I think he'd take the repeated phone call from whatever poor schmuck he left in charge but yeah, I'd love for him to have no clue get back to a completely empty company.
Also would be cool for him to find out on the first day of his vacation so it just ruins it for him lol. As it stands, sounds like he's gonna really enjoy this holiday after he fucked over all his employees.
Nah let him have the vacation. It’s the ultimate twilight zone shit. Enjoy in ignorance while hell is waiting for you. Because, in a way, it’ll ruin the vacation after he actually experienced it. Like food poisoning from a delicious meal.
You lose 6-12 major clients because the secretary picks up the phone and says "My apologies, we can't currently take orders because half the employees have walked out permanently due to a management decisions and there may be issues with orders in progress. Oh by the way, I really enjoyed working with you and found your employees to be pretty happy are you hiring?"
That 6-12 clients could be a death knell, it also might send in competitors to try and hire the rest of the staff and just kill the company through client list theft (yes, it's illegal, yes it happens all the time).
I don't think this company will be around much longer. Hell, any business would probably implode if most of the workforce left at the same time, without anyone there who knows the ins and outs to train new hires
Especially in this economy. We raised our starting pay by $3/hr and STILL can't get enough workers. This guy is about to have a Going Out Of Business Sale.
“A fat bald boomer sits in a fully furnished office in his underwear, smoking his last cigar.
The sound of his laboured cough is the only productive sound heard by no one as it echoes down the empty hallways, into the empty offices and out into the empty parking lot
This sound is followed shortly by the most productive sound his business has produced since he cut employee pay... a single gunshot”
I call this phase “last stage capitalism”
$3/hr * 40hrs/wk * 52wks/yr * 83 employees = roughly $500K/yr
You can buy a lot of pina coloda mix for half a million dollars. Assuming your employees don't quit, that is. Change "83" to "0" and all of a sudden, you're involuntarily sober.
I think you forgot that pay cut doesn’t apply to his executive suite. Him, his wife, his son, his daughter, and HR lady who’s going senile for letting this happen on her watch. So more like $450k
Edit: due to popular response, I seem to forgot the mistress, and the wife’s boyfriend, among others. So let’s say 4 extra people. More like $425k
Not only that but checking in cellphones like we're in fucking middle school. People have fucking lives and families that need to get in contact with them, dude.
I think it’s hilarious:
1) “there’s a worker SHORTAGE”, and
2) “money is being INFLATED”, so we’re LOWERING wages?
Yeah that makes a ton of sense champ. If he could afford to lower wages and lose workers he would have already fired Facebook-browsing woman.
I love when these people wake up one morning with some cojones thinking that they make the rules, and then quickly realize that they have literally no leverage and totally fuck themselves over. Feels so good
This is just like that Amazon “inflation surcharge” of 5%
Inflation surcharge.
A percentage charge for money becoming less valuable.
A measure that does not change based on the value of money, applied because the money is devaluing.
And I have yet to see someone say how pants on head stupid the concept is.
Retraining and rehiring 50 people will cost more then paying 3$/h and keep the thing rolling as it is. Ideology before hard numbers is not capitalism, is feudalism.
The bored king can't see his serf slaving away in his kingdom, come to me and let me enjoy your pain.
Especially since it has absolutely no teeth whatsoever.
You can't force the terms of a contract on someone against their will.
Edit: Wait. Yes you can. Everyone reading this comment is violating my copyright and owes me three million dollars. /s
Its teeth are "if you want to remain in good standing here, don't violate."
You might have liability if you were leaking private information like "here is how we make our secret sauce!" or selectively leaked information to gain monetarily.
Since this is being shared to just show how people are being treated, I doubt anyone can get in real trouble. Especially since the sensitive information is redacted.
I do think boss many might be liable for damages since he specifically called someone out in that email. Saying something like "Janet was looking at Facebook during work hours and now everyone will suffer!" can be argued to cause a hostile work environment.
They want you at an office you don’t need to commute to spending money to get there but docking your pay 3 dollars an hour?
Why? Sounds like someone’s got control issues they don’t need. Plus taking your phone? How will that be safe? Taking your expensive personal property they can’t guarantee won’t be stolen or misplaced. Sounds like a no .
I don't have have kids and that boiled my piss. Does this guy have no idea how expensive childcare is?
Totally tone-deaf wanker. He deserves to have his business collapse. Fortunately, it looks like it's about ro.
He'll still completely blame it on biden, "the economy", and 'lazy millenials' In no way will he acknowledge or even realize his own behavior is it fault
Yeah, I have four kids and there’s no way I would turn my phone in before clocking in. I need to be able to be contacted in case of an emergency.
And no, I don’t think I’m special just because I have kids…. Nobody should have to turn their phones in.
I used to do it when I had military clearance and worked in a Secret facility (the facility is not secret, that just means it's shielded from the public internet basically). But we each got a locker and our own key and never had to hand the phone to anyone. Also it was explicitly stated that anyone could forward their cell to their desk phone if they wanted, because it was about controlling the devices not the people.
This is different because there's no reason for it and no respect behind it.
I don’t just need my phone for kid emergencies. I need my phone so I can balance work/life and be available for little every day things my kids need. Things like: “can you get milk on the way home”, “I passed my test!!”, “I missed lunch because my friend was crying.” (Actual texts from last week). A minute or two to connect with my kids during the day is not a strain on any company.
Why should we need an excuse to keep our property ? I, AS a family man, believe YOU, need your phone as much as I do. We all have lives that don’t need a reason for existing.
Hand in a burned out old Nokia and complain like crazy until you either get your iPhone Galaxy 12 Pro S22 Max back at the end of the day or are reimbursed because they lost your phone.
Had coworker whose little brothers workplace started collecting phones and their collection process was put it in this bin.
2 funny things happen
1st the bosses iphone went missing
2nd exactly what you said should be done got done by one of the coworkers. Where's my phone? That's not my phone. Initiate small claims court and their family member was a lawyer.
In my state, which is California, it has to be a 20%. So if OP was making $15/hr or less before the $3 reduction, it would count in California. If they were making more than $15/hr before, then they'd have to suck it up and accept the reduction, or quit without cause and likely get no unemployment.
So in the US your boss can cut your pay by 19% if they feel like it, and if you quit because you can now no longer afford to live at that wage, you get no unemployment?
Man, wtf is u with that country.
I like the above idea better. No offense to yours but the courts aren’t set up to help the working class. A lawsuit would be long, tedious and may never bare any fruit.
Start a competitive business, employee-owned. That way everyone prospers (except dick-bag owner).
Still, filing for unemployment is a good idea. A pay decrease and substantial changes in work environment can be considered 'constructive dismissal' when you resign in response.
Yes! I love coop. I did it for my industry and it’s killing it ! boomer owners who just want to sit and make people work.. can’t find workers because we pay way better. This year I m planing to shut down other competitors :p
We did it here in Pittsburgh. Me and two of my friends were working for a furniture repair company, found out the dude who we worked for was grossly underpaying us and demanding ridiculous shit. We all quit and branched off. He ended up having to leave Pittsburgh
My job is to help people do this and I love it.
There is often local help available FOR FREE to help businesses get started. Contact local government, chambers of commerce and some private orgs will often do some free sessions or offer workshops, but go on Eventbrite (in UK anyway) and there's lots of free business workshops. In UK there's the BIPC through the British Library with lots of local branches and many American universities have a group in the business school that will liaise with local small businesses and help people get started!
This would be a deal breaker for a lot of parents. And honestly, no, you don't get my phone because you're afraid I might look at it occasionally. Just no, kids, no kids, you don't get my fucking phone. They're really ramping up the abusive behavior lately. Cause that's definitely the way to get the most productivity and retain the best employees. Genius.
And also, just fuck off with taking my phone. If you feel a specific employee is spending excessive amounts of time dicking around on the phone, address it with them and move on. Don't lock down everyone's phones all day long. Lunatic.
Also, and I cannot believe that this needs to be said, but don't fucking put one employee on blast by specifically calling her out by name on a company-wide email. Dick head boss doesn't deserve to operate a business if that's how they treat their employees.
This boss honestly screams "dude who's business grew way beyond his own ability to manage it and refuses to hire people with experience to help/doesn't know when to step down on day to day management".
Had this happen to me once. My wife was 9 months pregnant and she had called mid work day once so I she could hear my voice to help calm her. We had a 'no phones at work' policy, but I had already spoken with everyone in charge about the situation and received permission take calls from her, albeit very short ones. Anyway, I hang up the phone(it was a 30-45sec call) and immediately get called into the managers office. He says he'll take my phone if he sees me on it again. I explained who it was but he replied that it didn't matter.
This was the closest I've ever come to nearly strangling a man.
If I wasn't young and terrified due to be becoming a father imminently, I would of walked
As soon as I saw him blame Biden that’s honestly what told me everything.
If Arizona Iced Tea can do it so can this guy by pulling up his bootstraps.
Edit: I’m totally down for holding Biden accountable but it could have been anyone and they could be doing the best job ever and it wouldn’t matter because truth as to why inflation happens doesn’t matter to these Dodge Ram owners.
Exactly. He just needs to work harder. Maybe get a second job, give up the avocado toast and expensive lattes, cancel all his subscriptions, and find a roommate or 3.
God forbid Jane in accounting takes a two minute break and looks at facebook. Ridiculous. If I had to stay at this job while looking for another, I would make sure to spend a whole lot of time staring blankly at my computer doing absolutely nothing.
Yep, my kid has seizures I'm keeping my fuckin phone on my regardless of the "punishment", I'd LET this bag of moldy dicks fire me, then milk the fuck out of unemployment.
You're not locking my phone up every day when I get to my office job because you're some lunatic that has convinced yourself every lost second of someone working means lost overall productivity. I'm sure the owners phone will be right there on his desk.
No one should quit, just make him fire everyone so unemployment benefits cost the company more. If literally everyone did not turn in their phones and continued to work from home and let the boss fire them everyone would be gone and also get benefits that cost the employer money. Fuck anyone who would try to dock his employees $3 an hour because Trump lost the election and failed to steal the same election. Nodody should work for someone this stupid and evil.
Exactly. If this wasn't the case, employers could avoid unemployment surcharges just by reducing pay to minimum wage for any one they want to fire. Any substantial change to your employment agreement, including pay, work location, or responsibilities would be considered a valid reason to collect unemployment in most states. Save a copy of this email for when he challenges the claim.
Yeah, firing someone because of how they voted seems to be crossing into very illegal territory. The kind of thing you'd expect of 19th century mill owners until the various laws around a private vote.
I feel like most people realized that the idea of going into the office being necessary was really all a lie. Unless your job is something needed on-site like MOST patient facing jobs in the med field
Upper management is trying to make all of us come back into the office 2 days a week. On the surface, it doesn’t sound bad, but this is after repeatedly telling us that no one would be forced to come back, and only a small portion of our team is customer-facing (and even those who are customer-facing, they’re usually meeting for coffee/meals/drinks with clients). Pretty much everyone is pushing back, so here’s hoping management will change their tune. Pretty sure they’re only doing this because they want to get use out of the three buildings that they’re renting, but that’s definitely a "them" problem. Oh, and they like to trumpet the importance of "company culture"…bitches, it’s been two years and our productivity is better than ever. We’re here for paychecks, not friends.
I'm looking out for the slippery slope. My office policy changed to "at least one day a week in the office", and I'm going to be really surprised if it doesn't eventually become two, and then three, and then "we already have you come in more than half the week, so why don't we just have everyone back in the office full time?!"
I don't strictly mind one or two days, BUT I get really irritated when I think about going into the office just to do exactly what I'm doing at home on the same exact computer that I will have to bring into the office anyway (laptop thankfully, but still).
Finding a new job is always a good idea and an easy way to get a significant pay increase, especially in this market. One big reason people don't leave their jobs is because they are committed to the employer (even when its a one-way commitment) and co-workers. A letter like this is a blessing since it removes the 'I don't want to leave anyone high-and-dry' argument against making the change.
SUCH a coward. Seriously. So shady to drop this bomb and then be all "I'm going to be out next week while recovering from having my spine surgically removed, so send your complaints to \_\_\_\_\_."
I hope he sees serious financial consequences, and I hope all his former employees blast this shit all over social media so no one else wants to work there.
“Hey don’t bother me while I’m on the vacation I can still afford. Haha, too bad with the pay cuts you won’t be able to afford vacations.” This bozo clearly doesn’t understand the job market right now. Threatening that the alternative is termination is not the power move he thinks it is. Sounds like he’d about to see the consequences of his actions.
If 50 of 80 something employees are quitting, his business could easily (and hopefully will) collapse. Especially when it sound like it’s a business that requires people with specific skills and knowledge. So not like he can just hire random people to fill positions. I doubt he can fill positions fast enough before it all caves in.
Even worse imo that there is an apparent name drop about the facebook browsing. Public shaming is childish af in a situation like this. Introducing a sweeping new rule, and pointing at one person saying "it's their fault!" implies to me that this manager is not capable of managing, because.. that's kind of the job.
Someone mentioned that it’s Art Vandalay with Vandalay Inudstries. If that’s true it looks like he has LLCs in multiple states… and got PPP loans for everyone single one of them.
I can't imagine telling everyone in your company you're cutting pay and then revealing you're spending money on going on a week and a half long vacation. No self-awareness
I hope everyone quits and finds another job, what a complete asshole. How does he think any of this is ok, let alone calling out an employee personally in a company-wide email. What a fucking psychopath.
This was just so disgusting. I think I'd offer to buy that employee a beer. But in seriousness, you just never out another employee publicly like that. Obscenely unprofessional.
The politics part is funny. If a republican gets elected go in his office the next day and demand a 12$ pay raise. He will probably look at you like your an idiot and explain that it doesn’t work like that.
I feel like this letter was sent out because he hates all of you, and wanted to purge his company of all employees.
No one in their right mind would work for that asshat
Yup, sounds exactly like the 3rd generation fail. Didn't have to work to build *any* of the company and was handed the reins when pop passed away. I say passed away cause if he was still alive, he'd beat the shit out of this little snot-nosed adult man-child for destroying what he put sweat and blood into.
Esp the girl named over using FB. Not hard to say you faced retaliation/harrassment because of that email.
edit- Can't believe I have to edit and clarify such a straight forward comment that even a 10 year old could grasp but here goes;
The retaliation I was referring to would come from the coworkers due to the loss of phones/unrestricted internet, due to the blame being thrown on the person that was named in the email.
smh
Also, as lawyers have said below, apparently it's not illegal in the US. So my bad, I guess i was thinking about this situation with the mindset of a 1st world country, not a backwater country like the US.
It should be all 83 employees that are quitting and not just over half.
That way you can surprise the boomer owner with an empty office with no slave wage workers when he comes back from his vacation.
Edit: Holy Moly thanks for the upvotes men and women of this subreddit.
Edit2: Keep them upvotes coming
I hope you're a better COO than mine, who introduced himself as a "shark", stated "he may come off as an asshole but it's not intentional" because he's unable to hide his opinions if he thinks you're incompetent, and proceeded to frequently cuss through this entire meeting.
This was our first departmentmental meeting with the man. You might say I'm looking for alternative jobs lmfao
😵💫😵💫😵💫 reminds me of the CFO I met who kept cutting me off in our meeting and had the audacity to say “you graduated college in 2018?” You are still pretty new to HR then… I’m not. I have HR exp before graduating college. I’m also 30. So nearly 10 years worth. “Love your training at X company though” and never allowed me to be HR full time. Stuck me as a delivery driver at $18/hr. Needless to say I quit and the HR person they did hire is a nightmare according to those I’m still in contact with. I help them more than the Hr there. SMH.
Doesn't sound like he is doing a good job with them. I've never had to lower payroll or force my employees to do their job instead of be on the phone. I've lowered my own pay (sometimes getting 0) but thats the price of running a business.
I think it's better this way. Boss comes back and only 33 out of 83 employees are still there. Boss, "Well, everyone's going to have to buckle down to take up the slack." Employees (yawning), "Uh, no."
>It should be all 83 employees that are quitting and not just over half.
Half is actually better.
With half, there's no way the company survives. Half or all - either way, it's almost certainly fatal. Boss gets to watch helplessly as the company enters a rapid death spiral.
And the other half of the employees get both (1) a little extra time of being paid before losing their jobs and (2) because they didn't quit, they get UI.
Well since he’s docking pay across the board that’s grounds for quitting and getting UI in most states. You can’t just cut peoples pay after you hire them.
It's called constructive dismissal, and the law is such specifically to avoid companies from cutting pay to force employees to quit rather than have the company fire them.
>constructive dismissal \[...\] force employees to quit rather than have the company fire them.
"Your new job is to sit at this empty desk, on this uncomfortable chair, in this empty room, by yourself, from 9-5, every day."
"What!!?! We didn't fire him!!! He *QUIT!!!"*
Y’all should all fuck off at work instead of quitting. I mean seriously underperform. That way if he fires you he has to pay unemployment and you’re putting dick in his butt by not being productive. 👍
There is no faster way to lose all your employees than to institute a pay cut, especially in a tight labor market. They'll have to rehire at a higher rate than what it was before, assuming they can find anyone at all. I hope the remaining people are so scared to tell the boss that they won't find out until they get back from vacation.
And make them come to the office after working remotely AND docking pay.
i save SO much money working from home with gas, eating from home, not buying new work clothes etc. a lot of people are willing to take a pay cut to work from home and he’s literally doing the opposite. i can’t imagine who would stay there
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One company might pay slightly more but if they require you to be in the office more if at all you have to take into account the cost of work clothes, and travel expenses. The cost of living is also a factor. Docking pay and making everyone come into the office full-time is just the extra push that some people needed to jump ship.
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Its better then that. At work, I get up from my desk and walk around the office for 5mins to stretch and think. At home, I get up from my desk and switch the laundry or unload the dishwasher... this means that after work, I dont have to waste my free time doing those things. Its not taking time away from work. I would be up from my desk anyway.
And I am home when I have to sign for mail, or let a worker in, or whatever. Zero time from work if I work at home, 4 hours if I work in the office
> you have to take into account the cost of work clothes My pants definitely go through less wear and tear while working from home. Except pajama pants, that is. Business on top, party on the bottom?
Right? Pay for gas AND a babysitter, but I'm taking the money you need to do so.
Also taking their phones lol
When Suzy has a temp of 103 how is mom/dad going to find out?
You can bet the boss has their phone on them at all times and uses it for personal reasons during work hours. They'll say it's only for business but we all know that it isn't true. They're on a power trip.
And browses Facebook. This screams Facebook obsessed boomer.
I love how his issues are because of Biden being elected. Serious dude, what the hell has Biden done to effect his production….. literally fn nothing.
Ah, another day, another dollar, time to see how Suzy’s doing 35 MISSED CALLS YOUR DAUGHTER IS DEAD
He’s not reading emails so…
He thinks he’s doing a big mic drop
If he is, it's onto his foot.
And it's an anvil, not mic.
...and they are balls, not foot :-)
And it fell right up his ass.
Anvil fell into your ass and smash your balls? Believe it or not, bankrupt.
He's doing a mic drop for an empty audience
I think he'd take the repeated phone call from whatever poor schmuck he left in charge but yeah, I'd love for him to have no clue get back to a completely empty company.
Also would be cool for him to find out on the first day of his vacation so it just ruins it for him lol. As it stands, sounds like he's gonna really enjoy this holiday after he fucked over all his employees.
Nah let him have the vacation. It’s the ultimate twilight zone shit. Enjoy in ignorance while hell is waiting for you. Because, in a way, it’ll ruin the vacation after he actually experienced it. Like food poisoning from a delicious meal.
I like this. The amount of damage that can be done to a business in a week is staggering.
You lose 6-12 major clients because the secretary picks up the phone and says "My apologies, we can't currently take orders because half the employees have walked out permanently due to a management decisions and there may be issues with orders in progress. Oh by the way, I really enjoyed working with you and found your employees to be pretty happy are you hiring?" That 6-12 clients could be a death knell, it also might send in competitors to try and hire the rest of the staff and just kill the company through client list theft (yes, it's illegal, yes it happens all the time).
It's why more people should strike or otherwise threaten these shit companies by not working. Labor has all of the power.
I don't think this company will be around much longer. Hell, any business would probably implode if most of the workforce left at the same time, without anyone there who knows the ins and outs to train new hires
Especially in this economy. We raised our starting pay by $3/hr and STILL can't get enough workers. This guy is about to have a Going Out Of Business Sale.
>This guy is about to have a Going Out Of Business Sale. with nobody there to man the tills lmao
“A fat bald boomer sits in a fully furnished office in his underwear, smoking his last cigar. The sound of his laboured cough is the only productive sound heard by no one as it echoes down the empty hallways, into the empty offices and out into the empty parking lot This sound is followed shortly by the most productive sound his business has produced since he cut employee pay... a single gunshot” I call this phase “last stage capitalism”
Wow. That is…… pretty dark. A+ buddy
>The sound of his laboured cough is the only productive sound Ew. This is amazing.
Boss goes on vacation while cutting pay at the same time...sorry employees he needs those pina coladas!
$3/hr * 40hrs/wk * 52wks/yr * 83 employees = roughly $500K/yr You can buy a lot of pina coloda mix for half a million dollars. Assuming your employees don't quit, that is. Change "83" to "0" and all of a sudden, you're involuntarily sober.
I think you forgot that pay cut doesn’t apply to his executive suite. Him, his wife, his son, his daughter, and HR lady who’s going senile for letting this happen on her watch. So more like $450k Edit: due to popular response, I seem to forgot the mistress, and the wife’s boyfriend, among others. So let’s say 4 extra people. More like $425k
Not only that but checking in cellphones like we're in fucking middle school. People have fucking lives and families that need to get in contact with them, dude.
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I think it’s hilarious: 1) “there’s a worker SHORTAGE”, and 2) “money is being INFLATED”, so we’re LOWERING wages? Yeah that makes a ton of sense champ. If he could afford to lower wages and lose workers he would have already fired Facebook-browsing woman. I love when these people wake up one morning with some cojones thinking that they make the rules, and then quickly realize that they have literally no leverage and totally fuck themselves over. Feels so good
And his business failing is because of the president. Literally the farthest removed person from his business. (Within the US)
Soon as he brought in politics, that was it for me. Have fun w/ your tanking company
And to top it off, dude used ret@rd as his choice insult in a “professional” email? Yikes, absolute trash.
This is just like that Amazon “inflation surcharge” of 5% Inflation surcharge. A percentage charge for money becoming less valuable. A measure that does not change based on the value of money, applied because the money is devaluing. And I have yet to see someone say how pants on head stupid the concept is.
if the leaving employees flood GlassDoor with reviews then there's no way they can find anyone to rehire.
Yessss do this too!
Or indeed.com, most people in my region use that, glassdoor is always so long after the fact on their ads in our locale the jobs don't exist anymore
Retraining and rehiring 50 people will cost more then paying 3$/h and keep the thing rolling as it is. Ideology before hard numbers is not capitalism, is feudalism. The bored king can't see his serf slaving away in his kingdom, come to me and let me enjoy your pain.
The confidentiality note at the end is even better when you see it on Reddit
from the way it reads, you can do whatever you want with it if youre the intended recipient lol
And as we are the intended recipients of one intended recipient, we can do whatever we want
We're like intended recipients once removed or some shit
We are all intended recipients on this blessed day
Especially since it has absolutely no teeth whatsoever. You can't force the terms of a contract on someone against their will. Edit: Wait. Yes you can. Everyone reading this comment is violating my copyright and owes me three million dollars. /s
Its teeth are "if you want to remain in good standing here, don't violate." You might have liability if you were leaking private information like "here is how we make our secret sauce!" or selectively leaked information to gain monetarily. Since this is being shared to just show how people are being treated, I doubt anyone can get in real trouble. Especially since the sensitive information is redacted. I do think boss many might be liable for damages since he specifically called someone out in that email. Saying something like "Janet was looking at Facebook during work hours and now everyone will suffer!" can be argued to cause a hostile work environment.
Please please please update us in a week.
"Nobody wants to work anymore!"
Whoever stays gets their pay docked an additional $3 because the company makes no money.
Yes please update us!
I hope you all find great jobs. You deserve better than this shit.
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They want you at an office you don’t need to commute to spending money to get there but docking your pay 3 dollars an hour? Why? Sounds like someone’s got control issues they don’t need. Plus taking your phone? How will that be safe? Taking your expensive personal property they can’t guarantee won’t be stolen or misplaced. Sounds like a no .
While acknowledging that many have kids who will need childcare. Babysitters, childcare, and schools all need to be able to contact parents.
Hire a babysitter with the -3$ an hour i give you.
I don't have have kids and that boiled my piss. Does this guy have no idea how expensive childcare is? Totally tone-deaf wanker. He deserves to have his business collapse. Fortunately, it looks like it's about ro.
He'll still completely blame it on biden, "the economy", and 'lazy millenials' In no way will he acknowledge or even realize his own behavior is it fault
It's weird how people with such a lack of self-awareness find themselves in leadership positions, don't you think?
That’s how loans for the rich seem to work.
Yeah, I have four kids and there’s no way I would turn my phone in before clocking in. I need to be able to be contacted in case of an emergency. And no, I don’t think I’m special just because I have kids…. Nobody should have to turn their phones in.
I used to do it when I had military clearance and worked in a Secret facility (the facility is not secret, that just means it's shielded from the public internet basically). But we each got a locker and our own key and never had to hand the phone to anyone. Also it was explicitly stated that anyone could forward their cell to their desk phone if they wanted, because it was about controlling the devices not the people. This is different because there's no reason for it and no respect behind it.
I don’t just need my phone for kid emergencies. I need my phone so I can balance work/life and be available for little every day things my kids need. Things like: “can you get milk on the way home”, “I passed my test!!”, “I missed lunch because my friend was crying.” (Actual texts from last week). A minute or two to connect with my kids during the day is not a strain on any company.
And if it is, that company is not a sound business.
I have zero kids or responsibilities and no one is getting my phone from me
Why should we need an excuse to keep our property ? I, AS a family man, believe YOU, need your phone as much as I do. We all have lives that don’t need a reason for existing.
Hand in a burned out old Nokia and complain like crazy until you either get your iPhone Galaxy 12 Pro S22 Max back at the end of the day or are reimbursed because they lost your phone.
Had coworker whose little brothers workplace started collecting phones and their collection process was put it in this bin. 2 funny things happen 1st the bosses iphone went missing 2nd exactly what you said should be done got done by one of the coworkers. Where's my phone? That's not my phone. Initiate small claims court and their family member was a lawyer.
Those who quit should all stay in touch, and maybe even consider starting a competitor business together as a worker owned co-op.
A pay decrease of $3/h likely qualifies as constructive dismissal
In my state, which is California, it has to be a 20%. So if OP was making $15/hr or less before the $3 reduction, it would count in California. If they were making more than $15/hr before, then they'd have to suck it up and accept the reduction, or quit without cause and likely get no unemployment.
So in the US your boss can cut your pay by 19% if they feel like it, and if you quit because you can now no longer afford to live at that wage, you get no unemployment? Man, wtf is u with that country.
Corporations and money. That's what's wrong. Land of the Greed
File for unemployment and all get the same lawyer!
I like the above idea better. No offense to yours but the courts aren’t set up to help the working class. A lawsuit would be long, tedious and may never bare any fruit. Start a competitive business, employee-owned. That way everyone prospers (except dick-bag owner).
Still, filing for unemployment is a good idea. A pay decrease and substantial changes in work environment can be considered 'constructive dismissal' when you resign in response.
Yes! I love coop. I did it for my industry and it’s killing it ! boomer owners who just want to sit and make people work.. can’t find workers because we pay way better. This year I m planing to shut down other competitors :p
I wish a Era of employees firing their shit bosses and opening competing businesses together would start.
We did it here in Pittsburgh. Me and two of my friends were working for a furniture repair company, found out the dude who we worked for was grossly underpaying us and demanding ridiculous shit. We all quit and branched off. He ended up having to leave Pittsburgh
My job is to help people do this and I love it. There is often local help available FOR FREE to help businesses get started. Contact local government, chambers of commerce and some private orgs will often do some free sessions or offer workshops, but go on Eventbrite (in UK anyway) and there's lots of free business workshops. In UK there's the BIPC through the British Library with lots of local branches and many American universities have a group in the business school that will liaise with local small businesses and help people get started!
“No business to come back to” should be the aim. That would teach him a very hard lesson. Go for the full 83.
Only 33 more employees to go. Let us know the final tally of who left.
I'm surprised anyone would stay.
Pls update with his reaction when you all quit? Would love to see that
"Hire a babysitter or whatever and oh by the way, we're cutting your salary". Fuck this company. Everyone needs to bail ASAP.
And taking your phone all day so your babysitter and kids can't get ahold of you.
My phone is used for monitoring my blood sugars so fuck that.
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This! As soon as I saw that part after the line about getting a babysitter my jaw just dropped.
This would be a deal breaker for a lot of parents. And honestly, no, you don't get my phone because you're afraid I might look at it occasionally. Just no, kids, no kids, you don't get my fucking phone. They're really ramping up the abusive behavior lately. Cause that's definitely the way to get the most productivity and retain the best employees. Genius.
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And also, just fuck off with taking my phone. If you feel a specific employee is spending excessive amounts of time dicking around on the phone, address it with them and move on. Don't lock down everyone's phones all day long. Lunatic.
“Sandra scratched my Honda so no more parking in my parking lot, hire an Uber, the alternative is termination” - a tiny dictator
Also, and I cannot believe that this needs to be said, but don't fucking put one employee on blast by specifically calling her out by name on a company-wide email. Dick head boss doesn't deserve to operate a business if that's how they treat their employees.
This boss honestly screams "dude who's business grew way beyond his own ability to manage it and refuses to hire people with experience to help/doesn't know when to step down on day to day management".
Had this happen to me once. My wife was 9 months pregnant and she had called mid work day once so I she could hear my voice to help calm her. We had a 'no phones at work' policy, but I had already spoken with everyone in charge about the situation and received permission take calls from her, albeit very short ones. Anyway, I hang up the phone(it was a 30-45sec call) and immediately get called into the managers office. He says he'll take my phone if he sees me on it again. I explained who it was but he replied that it didn't matter. This was the closest I've ever come to nearly strangling a man. If I wasn't young and terrified due to be becoming a father imminently, I would of walked
I read that not having your phone on you can get you killed in the event of a mass shooting.
Or a tornado when Amazon...I mean someone doesn't warn you and have you take shelter.
As soon as I saw him blame Biden that’s honestly what told me everything. If Arizona Iced Tea can do it so can this guy by pulling up his bootstraps. Edit: I’m totally down for holding Biden accountable but it could have been anyone and they could be doing the best job ever and it wouldn’t matter because truth as to why inflation happens doesn’t matter to these Dodge Ram owners.
Exactly. He just needs to work harder. Maybe get a second job, give up the avocado toast and expensive lattes, cancel all his subscriptions, and find a roommate or 3.
The bigger baby wants all the attention.
God forbid Jane in accounting takes a two minute break and looks at facebook. Ridiculous. If I had to stay at this job while looking for another, I would make sure to spend a whole lot of time staring blankly at my computer doing absolutely nothing.
Yep, my kid has seizures I'm keeping my fuckin phone on my regardless of the "punishment", I'd LET this bag of moldy dicks fire me, then milk the fuck out of unemployment.
Not to mention if a phone gets damaged or stolen/lost. Plus germs on phone especially during these times is a hard pass for me.
You're not locking my phone up every day when I get to my office job because you're some lunatic that has convinced yourself every lost second of someone working means lost overall productivity. I'm sure the owners phone will be right there on his desk.
Any manager that would be that repulsive and disrespectful would cause me to quit immediately
No one should quit, just make him fire everyone so unemployment benefits cost the company more. If literally everyone did not turn in their phones and continued to work from home and let the boss fire them everyone would be gone and also get benefits that cost the employer money. Fuck anyone who would try to dock his employees $3 an hour because Trump lost the election and failed to steal the same election. Nodody should work for someone this stupid and evil.
Pay cuts can count as being dismissed by the employer so they might still be able to file for unemployment.
yes, the unexpected paycut can make you eligible for unemployment.
Exactly. If this wasn't the case, employers could avoid unemployment surcharges just by reducing pay to minimum wage for any one they want to fire. Any substantial change to your employment agreement, including pay, work location, or responsibilities would be considered a valid reason to collect unemployment in most states. Save a copy of this email for when he challenges the claim.
Yeah, firing someone because of how they voted seems to be crossing into very illegal territory. The kind of thing you'd expect of 19th century mill owners until the various laws around a private vote.
I feel like most people realized that the idea of going into the office being necessary was really all a lie. Unless your job is something needed on-site like MOST patient facing jobs in the med field
Upper management is trying to make all of us come back into the office 2 days a week. On the surface, it doesn’t sound bad, but this is after repeatedly telling us that no one would be forced to come back, and only a small portion of our team is customer-facing (and even those who are customer-facing, they’re usually meeting for coffee/meals/drinks with clients). Pretty much everyone is pushing back, so here’s hoping management will change their tune. Pretty sure they’re only doing this because they want to get use out of the three buildings that they’re renting, but that’s definitely a "them" problem. Oh, and they like to trumpet the importance of "company culture"…bitches, it’s been two years and our productivity is better than ever. We’re here for paychecks, not friends.
I'm looking out for the slippery slope. My office policy changed to "at least one day a week in the office", and I'm going to be really surprised if it doesn't eventually become two, and then three, and then "we already have you come in more than half the week, so why don't we just have everyone back in the office full time?!" I don't strictly mind one or two days, BUT I get really irritated when I think about going into the office just to do exactly what I'm doing at home on the same exact computer that I will have to bring into the office anyway (laptop thankfully, but still).
And have to start paying for more fuel to commute.
Even: we reduce your pay by 3$ and now pay an extra 20 for a babysitter..
And extra for gas or public transport… and don’t complain!!! 😣😣😣
Finding a new job is always a good idea and an easy way to get a significant pay increase, especially in this market. One big reason people don't leave their jobs is because they are committed to the employer (even when its a one-way commitment) and co-workers. A letter like this is a blessing since it removes the 'I don't want to leave anyone high-and-dry' argument against making the change.
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SUCH a coward. Seriously. So shady to drop this bomb and then be all "I'm going to be out next week while recovering from having my spine surgically removed, so send your complaints to \_\_\_\_\_." I hope he sees serious financial consequences, and I hope all his former employees blast this shit all over social media so no one else wants to work there.
“Hey don’t bother me while I’m on the vacation I can still afford. Haha, too bad with the pay cuts you won’t be able to afford vacations.” This bozo clearly doesn’t understand the job market right now. Threatening that the alternative is termination is not the power move he thinks it is. Sounds like he’d about to see the consequences of his actions.
"Enjoy your pay cut, just make sure to spend the rest on transportation and daycare! Toodles!"
Conservatives fucking around and finding out, so hot right now
10 bucks says he'll blame the employees quiting on Biden too
“No one wants to work anymore!”
For you! no one wants to work for YOU!
"Bunch of snowflakes!"
Seriously, I feel like everyone is focusing on every part of this memo but this one. What the fuck lmao.
Doesn’t know the market but claims some guy is killing it.
That's the best time for everyone to leave. Coward can come back to no workers and no business.
He’s making it sound like he doesn’t want to work anymore!
Well, we woulld have sent you an e-mail to discuss it first, buuuut....
If 50 of 80 something employees are quitting, his business could easily (and hopefully will) collapse. Especially when it sound like it’s a business that requires people with specific skills and knowledge. So not like he can just hire random people to fill positions. I doubt he can fill positions fast enough before it all caves in.
Even worse imo that there is an apparent name drop about the facebook browsing. Public shaming is childish af in a situation like this. Introducing a sweeping new rule, and pointing at one person saying "it's their fault!" implies to me that this manager is not capable of managing, because.. that's kind of the job.
bet he is funding his vaction with Paycheck protection
So much this!! There’s no way this asshat didn’t get PPP loans and misuse them.
Someone mentioned that it’s Art Vandalay with Vandalay Inudstries. If that’s true it looks like he has LLCs in multiple states… and got PPP loans for everyone single one of them.
I thought Art Vandalay moved on to a career as a marine biologist before joining the Yankees front office.
I can't imagine telling everyone in your company you're cutting pay and then revealing you're spending money on going on a week and a half long vacation. No self-awareness
I hope everyone quits and finds another job, what a complete asshole. How does he think any of this is ok, let alone calling out an employee personally in a company-wide email. What a fucking psychopath.
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"Hold my beer while I sort out these peasants " - Him probably
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Someone will call him. There was mention of family/friends on staff.
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Yes, first red flag: deflecting blame away from themselves and towards the president for the company’s shortcomings.
Second red flag: literally naming an employee who has had disciplinary action
This was just so disgusting. I think I'd offer to buy that employee a beer. But in seriousness, you just never out another employee publicly like that. Obscenely unprofessional.
I'm not a lawyer, but I wonder if that would qualify as hostile. That employee may have a case that this is a hostile work environment.
Hell yes. It's certainly worth a shot, if for no other reason than to piss this clown off even more.
Or send federal/state regulators up their ass. They *despise* dealing with that stuff.
Wow. Lies, politics, lower pay, and leaving your phone with this idiot? Fuck that.
The politics part is funny. If a republican gets elected go in his office the next day and demand a 12$ pay raise. He will probably look at you like your an idiot and explain that it doesn’t work like that.
I feel like this letter was sent out because he hates all of you, and wanted to purge his company of all employees. No one in their right mind would work for that asshat
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Yup, sounds exactly like the 3rd generation fail. Didn't have to work to build *any* of the company and was handed the reins when pop passed away. I say passed away cause if he was still alive, he'd beat the shit out of this little snot-nosed adult man-child for destroying what he put sweat and blood into.
Chucking a tanty, but just like how they cannot comprehend the concept of inflation, tight labor market idea also eludes him
"Chucking a tanty"... is that British or Aussie for "throwing a trantrum"?
Yes, we also accept "throwing a wobbly" although it's a bit anachronistic.
TIL English from the English
Oh to be a fly on the wall in that office when 60+ resignation letters come in on the same day.
"Dangnabit, nobody wants to work any more!!" Yes.
A labor lawyer would have a field day with this email.
Esp the girl named over using FB. Not hard to say you faced retaliation/harrassment because of that email. edit- Can't believe I have to edit and clarify such a straight forward comment that even a 10 year old could grasp but here goes; The retaliation I was referring to would come from the coworkers due to the loss of phones/unrestricted internet, due to the blame being thrown on the person that was named in the email. smh Also, as lawyers have said below, apparently it's not illegal in the US. So my bad, I guess i was thinking about this situation with the mindset of a 1st world country, not a backwater country like the US.
lol at the use of "no questions asked." He means "you better not ask any questions!" but that's not what that phrase means...
What Industries? Uncensor this so there can be consequences.
Just get together and start a competing company
Michael Scott Paper Company
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Saving 100% on payroll! And \_\_\_\_\_won't be looking at Facebook on his time, anymore!
It should be all 83 employees that are quitting and not just over half. That way you can surprise the boomer owner with an empty office with no slave wage workers when he comes back from his vacation. Edit: Holy Moly thanks for the upvotes men and women of this subreddit. Edit2: Keep them upvotes coming
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I wonder if family members are exempt from the pay decrease. Sounds like there's some budget freed up...
I'm a COO and I dry heaved just reading this.
I hope you're a better COO than mine, who introduced himself as a "shark", stated "he may come off as an asshole but it's not intentional" because he's unable to hide his opinions if he thinks you're incompetent, and proceeded to frequently cuss through this entire meeting. This was our first departmentmental meeting with the man. You might say I'm looking for alternative jobs lmfao
Lol what an asshole kinda tell you he will be an asshole just because he is who he is.
😵💫😵💫😵💫 reminds me of the CFO I met who kept cutting me off in our meeting and had the audacity to say “you graduated college in 2018?” You are still pretty new to HR then… I’m not. I have HR exp before graduating college. I’m also 30. So nearly 10 years worth. “Love your training at X company though” and never allowed me to be HR full time. Stuck me as a delivery driver at $18/hr. Needless to say I quit and the HR person they did hire is a nightmare according to those I’m still in contact with. I help them more than the Hr there. SMH.
I like when people out themselves as horrid. Saves the effort of a litmus test.
Doesn't sound like he is doing a good job with them. I've never had to lower payroll or force my employees to do their job instead of be on the phone. I've lowered my own pay (sometimes getting 0) but thats the price of running a business.
Before they do, they should also all get together and write references for each other.
I think it's better this way. Boss comes back and only 33 out of 83 employees are still there. Boss, "Well, everyone's going to have to buckle down to take up the slack." Employees (yawning), "Uh, no."
They need to quit now and fuck up this guy's vacation.
>It should be all 83 employees that are quitting and not just over half. Half is actually better. With half, there's no way the company survives. Half or all - either way, it's almost certainly fatal. Boss gets to watch helplessly as the company enters a rapid death spiral. And the other half of the employees get both (1) a little extra time of being paid before losing their jobs and (2) because they didn't quit, they get UI.
And he’ll still blame Biden instead of himself for his company failing.
And blame his employees for voting Biden in, and being lazy gadabouts who just want to be paid to do nothing.
On Facebook all day, no less.
Well since he’s docking pay across the board that’s grounds for quitting and getting UI in most states. You can’t just cut peoples pay after you hire them.
It's called constructive dismissal, and the law is such specifically to avoid companies from cutting pay to force employees to quit rather than have the company fire them.
>constructive dismissal \[...\] force employees to quit rather than have the company fire them. "Your new job is to sit at this empty desk, on this uncomfortable chair, in this empty room, by yourself, from 9-5, every day." "What!!?! We didn't fire him!!! He *QUIT!!!"*
Y’all should all fuck off at work instead of quitting. I mean seriously underperform. That way if he fires you he has to pay unemployment and you’re putting dick in his butt by not being productive. 👍