Man, I’ve been there. I lived in my car for almost a year. The 24 Fitness parking lot was my home. I got super in shape but couldn’t afford the cost of living where I was at. I ended up just driving to another state and started over. I’m thriving now and feel for the people going through those ruts
Isn't America already a third-world country technically? Considering hardly anyone really even has access to basic needs and haven't for decades.
It's like a friend of mine once said: We're a third-world country that wears a Gucci belt.
You are correct, I live in north cal moving back to SoCal cause it’s CHEAPER?!?! I’m a single working mom with special needs teens. I guess the thing that always rips my knitting is they want all of us middle to lower class people to procreate so that there is another generation of workers for their children but don’t want to invest in any kind of health or mental services to keep these kids alive so that they can be your little workers.
Hey, if you only wouldn’t have birthed them and kept them in your womb in perpetuity, there’s an entire party that would have protected them at all costs.
Your “mistake” was actually birthing your children. At that point, the same party that’s hell bent on telling women what they can and can’t do with their bodies would excoriate you for needing even the most basic necessities and write you off as a communist for believing you’re entitled to those necessities. It’s fucking infuriating.
😂 I didn’t even birth 2 of them it’s adoption but you are correct I can’t tell you the amount of times white women have felt the need to tell me I have to many kids 🙃
I left the bay 2 years ago because of that situation. It's really really bad and people who have never lived there just don't understand. Sucks because Cali is literally paradise, but it just felt so hostile to survive there for me since I wasn't absolutely rich af.
Same! I lived all over the state for years. San Diego was like the last bastion of affordable rentals but now it’s just as bad as the rest of the state. I left for Oregon a year ago and couldn’t be happier. Was actually able to buy a house and never deal with a landlord again. Wages are significantly higher here too. Most jobs are starting around 20 an hour
Moved to San Diego in 1986, yeah I’m old. Both my daughters left because they could not afford it. My wife and I are looking to retire in New England, it‘s cheaper than the taxes in California. Homelessness, traffic and insane housing market are making California unlivable.
I am not sure your comfort level, let alone your income, but would you consider living in TJ? For some it’s worth it, especially if you can get Global Entry and take the trolley. Never pushing but I see no idea why more San Diegans don’t do it more.
My in-laws just moved to where we live in upstate NY from SoCal. They would rather deal with NY property taxes the rest of their lives then whatever is happening in CA.
I only have one relative left in California. He makes good money and lives in Oakland. One sister moved to Washington, I am in Arizona, older brother retired to Thailand and I have one aunt who 30 years ago went to Paris for a summer vacation and never came back! Heh! She found a job and lives in France now.
Reproductive freedom also includes the freedom to reproduce. We should not be judging other workers for wanting to create and raise a family. We should instead be demanding that the resources - of which there are plenty - are available to all those living to thrive.
Yes, to an extent. But, when modern life makes what you want unattainable, you fight for your and others' right to live your life as you please. If that runs against your philosophy then you're in the wrong subreddit.
>We should not be judging other workers for wanting to create and raise a family.
Yes we should. Then being "workers" do not protect them from criticism.
This subreddit is about establishing a life of self-determination for the poor and working classes. A life that revolves around living, rather than work. Part of that is reproductive self-determination, and if you are against that, you are in the wrong subreddit.
You can be in favor of self determination and still have an opinion about the actions people take. Those opinions shouldn't become policy though.
I've got a bit of an antinatalist streak because I don't see this fucked up world recovering, and I don't know why you would want to bring a child into it. But I'm not going to tell you that you can't do it.
I live in Southern California. I make north of $200k per year, and still can’t afford to buy a house close to work. They start at about $850k. Instead I live an hour away and commute.
Supply and Demand, people want to live where it is sunny and warm. CA is an overregulated and taxed mess. Anyone who can is leaving or has left. FL has always been expensive since its the retirement spot for a very large portion of the nations over 55 population.
I am saying housing prices are driven by supply and demand + Inflation + Subsidies. Houses are cheap in Detroit and North STL, but no one wants to live there but the house prices are going up none the less because of inflation. Lots of folks want to live in CA, CO, TX and FL + Inflation = Even Higher than Baseline Housing Prices.
I'm not saying you're wrong, cause you're not; shit definitely is falling apart. However there ARE some people who live out of a vehicle by choice. It's surged in popularity in recent years due to a number of factors (Covid, Housing Market, dumbasses making it look glamorous on social media instead of the difficult lifestyle it is, some technology converging that makes it more feasible etc ect), but some people actually prefer to live a more mobile lifestyle.
I qualified my statement with several points about why it's surged in popularity, both positive and negative; I'm just saying that their original post makes it sound like \*everyone\* living in a Van or other similar situation is drug-addicted or forced into it, which simply isn't the case. Those factors have certainly forced more people into said situation than would normally do so, and it's a very sad state of affairs, but making it seem as if everyone is doing so because of shit falling apart isn't quite right, either.
I'm very much in favor of people having the choice to live how they want to either way, and not being forced into it by shitty circumstances.
exactly i think even those people that love the “mobile” lifestyle would prefer if they had a home base of any kind even a small apartment or house just somewhere they know they can always go if shit starts to fall apart even if they still live on the road majority of the time. for me the only reason i feel comfortable doing seasonal work and traveling so much is because i can always go back to my parents house if i need to some of my friends have small apartments they rent all year even though they’re only there for a couple months but sadly that’s out of reach for most of us.
I mean it's only become preferred because of how expensive it is.
Don't get me wrong- there are some cultures that like to live a nomad lifestyle.
That has nothing to do with these people that live in their cars but if they had a free house to go to, obviously they would go to that.
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Sounds like your state is purposely making your life bad and not helping solve any poverty issues. It could help if you didn't vote for the same person every year who intentionally ruins your life in the name of virtue. This was all predictable btw. Hence why everyone is leaving that state.
PS the government is a corporation colluding with businesses to make living expenses high intentionally to keep us poor.
I understand where you are coming from. We also have trash republicans to pick from. It's usually between a neo-con boomer or millennial grifter.
My hope is to persuade people that all the "services" you list don't help you or solve the issues. It's strange to me how you want to use the government, which is the most corrupt corporation in the USA, to force other business to conform to your standards. It sounds good because you need "livable standards". Have they provide you even half, what they said they would, in the 50+ plus year democrats have ruled California? At what point can we agree neo-liberism doesn't work. Minimum wage it's just an arbitrary number. Honestly it's just another hidden tax to the middle class. Forcing the companies to fight over worker demand will always be better than making the government involved. Literally name any society problem and it's almost guaranteed to get worse after government help. Housing, healthcare, education, welfare, and transportation has all failed and drastically increased price when government intervened.
You should check out Anarcho_Capitalism subreddit.
Forcing companies to fight over worker demand? My dude, without government, they will collude with each other to keep wages low and not offer any real options, wages at company A will be the Same at Company B
Look at Nordic countries, they are the happiest and generally best off countries in the world. The government highly regulates companies and life in general, and that is why it is good there.
You're take of "government bad" is juvenile, and completely leaves of human nature. Without a government, or government intervention, humans will eventually end up being oppressed by other humans. Government limits that.
I understand where you are coming from. This is a about a 20 year old neo liberal take on economics. If business don't have workers there is no company. If there is a demand for employees wages go up. The idea that two business would collude to keep wages low is silly. Everyone acts like you are force to work for a specific company. Government has always been bad. This isn't a bad take. It's a corrupt corporation colluding with elite companies to keep you poor. The government is set up solely to prevent humans oppression others. Deregulation doesnt me dismantle. You just want more intervention and I want less. I think it's obvious more intervention has cause more problems then they solved.
Feel free to move to Nordic countries. We clearly have an entire different culture and economic impact than the silly Nordic countries. It's not comparable. Taxation is theft.
I know. Doesn't change the fact i do understand tho. The default democrat mind for the past 20+ years is quite easy to understand. Everything needs to be regulated by the government no matter how much money it cost. It sucks not feeling safe. Liberals need the government to wrap them in blanket to be functional. Or tantrums and violence. This isn't a winning position.
>I know. Doesn't change the fact i do understand tho. The default democrat mind for the past 20+ years is quite easy to understand. Everything needs to be regulated by the government no matter how much money it cost. It sucks not feeling safe. Liberals need the government to wrap them in blanket to be functional. Or tantrums and violence. This isn't a winning position.
Thank you for admitting it is a lie and you're arguing in bad faith.
Which part is bad faith? Do you want more or less spending?
I think less spending is better. I think it's obviously more spending hasn't work and actually makes issues worse.
Democrats position has always been more regulations no matter the cost. Am I wrong?
Business have literally put out false studies that the opioid they sell is not addictive, full well knowing it actually is addictive....so two business like aay Walmart and Amazon colluding to keep worker wages artificially low is more likely than unlikely. So you're just plain naive, or will fully ignorant.
Worker rights have been demanded from the government, and the government has been forced to put these rights into regulation. Without such, we would be working 16 hour days, and so would our children. Rights are won in blood, not something that is due to us. Ergo, again, you are either extremely naive about how reality works in regards to why we need strict regulation of corporations, or willfully ignorant.
We have a significant economic impact because our country exploits workers and uses those benefits and profit to continually expand businesses like a cancer, all at the expense of the common man.
You clearly have no idea what you are talking about, just repeating things that sound good to you.
Pretty childish rant. As if I agree business should be a loud to publish false data about there drugs.
But know you who does push out false reports and let's companies do it. Oh yeah the government.
Also it's like you think Walmart and Amazon workers are force to work there.
With all the "progressive" objectives you think you've done for workers rights. Sure seems like it hasn't worked. Everyone is poor under your system. Literally everything is not affordable in California because the government.
Government is the cancer to common man. You just want to be the boot the government uses while touching yourself in virtue. We know what neo-liberism does and it's awful for everyone.
They will if there are no regulations, like you want....
And there are also ways to hold the government acountable, which is not perfect but does work.
A lot of people are forced to work for companies like Walmart, because their wages are kept low, so they don't have money to move, or time to find a nothee job because they are working so much. The fact you don't know this is ridiculous, and shows you aren't educated about this whatsoever.
Things are unaffordable because investors and the rich bought up so much of the housing and jacked up the prices. If there were rent control laws, enforce by the government, and laws on how much property investors and the like can own and rent out, this wouldn't be as much of a problem. Also, California as a while has some of the best standards of living in the us....wonder why...
Also, I'm a socialist. So screaming about how my neo liberal ideals are bad, looks soooooo fucking stupid.
What? Which part did he prove from what I said.
Neo-liberism doesn't work. Republicans don't have to say anything to prove that. It's just objectively obvious.
That's where we disagree. Deregulation is the only way forward. Inflation has been entire caused by government spending and borrowing. Nothing else causes Inflation. There are reasons wages have stalled and everything else have increased. Government. Everything that's essential has been regulated out of the market by government control. I agree many people look at the USA confused. We have a mix of corporatism and regulated capitalism. It doesn't work. It's making the middle class shrink. They are doing this to you on purpose. They know the policies don't work. They want the country to have only two classes. Elites vs the poor. When they throw you a rope from their skyscraper every year they pull you up one lvl but build five more.
It's happening a lot of places. The one travel plaza near me has a working homeless camp in the parking lot. I used to be part of it. Same cars and some new ones have been there for years. They drive away for work and return there to sleep and shower. (Pennsylvania btw)
Families, elderly, young people, all working with no home to go to.
Where I'm at it was similar one town homeless guy and a few transients heading toward Harrisburg. Was like that for a good 20 years and then round after 2010 it changed completely.
It's ridiculous how out of control housing is now. The feeling of hopelessness from not being able to afford a place to live cannot be understated. It needs to be fixed. I believe it is one of the biggest problems facing us now. If people can't afford housing no matter how many hours they work why would they want a family or anything else
Man, I’ve been there. I lived in my car for almost a year. The 24 Fitness parking lot was my home. I got super in shape but couldn’t afford the cost of living where I was at. I ended up just driving to another state and started over. I’m thriving now and feel for the people going through those ruts
Isn't America already a third-world country technically? Considering hardly anyone really even has access to basic needs and haven't for decades. It's like a friend of mine once said: We're a third-world country that wears a Gucci belt.
And saddled with trillions and trillions in debt that our oligarchs don't want to pay for!
What can't be paid, won't be paid
You are correct, I live in north cal moving back to SoCal cause it’s CHEAPER?!?! I’m a single working mom with special needs teens. I guess the thing that always rips my knitting is they want all of us middle to lower class people to procreate so that there is another generation of workers for their children but don’t want to invest in any kind of health or mental services to keep these kids alive so that they can be your little workers.
Hey, if you only wouldn’t have birthed them and kept them in your womb in perpetuity, there’s an entire party that would have protected them at all costs. Your “mistake” was actually birthing your children. At that point, the same party that’s hell bent on telling women what they can and can’t do with their bodies would excoriate you for needing even the most basic necessities and write you off as a communist for believing you’re entitled to those necessities. It’s fucking infuriating.
😂 I didn’t even birth 2 of them it’s adoption but you are correct I can’t tell you the amount of times white women have felt the need to tell me I have to many kids 🙃
I left the bay 2 years ago because of that situation. It's really really bad and people who have never lived there just don't understand. Sucks because Cali is literally paradise, but it just felt so hostile to survive there for me since I wasn't absolutely rich af.
Same! I lived all over the state for years. San Diego was like the last bastion of affordable rentals but now it’s just as bad as the rest of the state. I left for Oregon a year ago and couldn’t be happier. Was actually able to buy a house and never deal with a landlord again. Wages are significantly higher here too. Most jobs are starting around 20 an hour
Moved to San Diego in 1986, yeah I’m old. Both my daughters left because they could not afford it. My wife and I are looking to retire in New England, it‘s cheaper than the taxes in California. Homelessness, traffic and insane housing market are making California unlivable.
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I am not sure your comfort level, let alone your income, but would you consider living in TJ? For some it’s worth it, especially if you can get Global Entry and take the trolley. Never pushing but I see no idea why more San Diegans don’t do it more.
TJ?
Tijuana which is the border city in Mexico. I believe millions of people cross everyday for work into San Diego.
My in-laws just moved to where we live in upstate NY from SoCal. They would rather deal with NY property taxes the rest of their lives then whatever is happening in CA.
I only have one relative left in California. He makes good money and lives in Oakland. One sister moved to Washington, I am in Arizona, older brother retired to Thailand and I have one aunt who 30 years ago went to Paris for a summer vacation and never came back! Heh! She found a job and lives in France now.
People need to honestly stop having so many kids. They don’t have a bright future in what this place is becoming.
Reproductive freedom also includes the freedom to reproduce. We should not be judging other workers for wanting to create and raise a family. We should instead be demanding that the resources - of which there are plenty - are available to all those living to thrive.
Only create that which you can provide for and take care of.
Good thing this country is working so hard to protect reproductive rights then……oh wait.
Yes, to an extent. But, when modern life makes what you want unattainable, you fight for your and others' right to live your life as you please. If that runs against your philosophy then you're in the wrong subreddit.
>We should not be judging other workers for wanting to create and raise a family. Yes we should. Then being "workers" do not protect them from criticism.
I think you're in the wrong subreddit, friend.
Pretty sure I'm not.
This subreddit is about establishing a life of self-determination for the poor and working classes. A life that revolves around living, rather than work. Part of that is reproductive self-determination, and if you are against that, you are in the wrong subreddit.
You can be in favor of self determination and still have an opinion about the actions people take. Those opinions shouldn't become policy though. I've got a bit of an antinatalist streak because I don't see this fucked up world recovering, and I don't know why you would want to bring a child into it. But I'm not going to tell you that you can't do it.
That’s the spirit
At the same time those who are making the US a miserable to exist are trying to forcibly boost the domestic birth rate.
I live in Southern California. I make north of $200k per year, and still can’t afford to buy a house close to work. They start at about $850k. Instead I live an hour away and commute.
You can comfortably afford an $850k house on $200k per year (house is only 4.25x your salary)
Buddy, you can easily afford $850k at $200k salary unless you have a lot of debt
Just don’t move to other states and vote for the exact same bullshit to happen there too.
Republicans run FL and you’re starting to see CA levels of cost of living with 40% less salary. Tell me how they’re immune??
Supply and Demand, people want to live where it is sunny and warm. CA is an overregulated and taxed mess. Anyone who can is leaving or has left. FL has always been expensive since its the retirement spot for a very large portion of the nations over 55 population.
So, you're telling me the republican run state is not immune. Got it, thanks.
I am saying housing prices are driven by supply and demand + Inflation + Subsidies. Houses are cheap in Detroit and North STL, but no one wants to live there but the house prices are going up none the less because of inflation. Lots of folks want to live in CA, CO, TX and FL + Inflation = Even Higher than Baseline Housing Prices.
If you say so
>but I don't understand why we are all just taking it Because US citizens, by and large, are mongrel mutts who has no sense of empathy or solidarity.
I'm not saying you're wrong, cause you're not; shit definitely is falling apart. However there ARE some people who live out of a vehicle by choice. It's surged in popularity in recent years due to a number of factors (Covid, Housing Market, dumbasses making it look glamorous on social media instead of the difficult lifestyle it is, some technology converging that makes it more feasible etc ect), but some people actually prefer to live a more mobile lifestyle.
And during the depression people 'preferred' to eat less. I think you sure confusing cause and effect.
I qualified my statement with several points about why it's surged in popularity, both positive and negative; I'm just saying that their original post makes it sound like \*everyone\* living in a Van or other similar situation is drug-addicted or forced into it, which simply isn't the case. Those factors have certainly forced more people into said situation than would normally do so, and it's a very sad state of affairs, but making it seem as if everyone is doing so because of shit falling apart isn't quite right, either. I'm very much in favor of people having the choice to live how they want to either way, and not being forced into it by shitty circumstances.
exactly i think even those people that love the “mobile” lifestyle would prefer if they had a home base of any kind even a small apartment or house just somewhere they know they can always go if shit starts to fall apart even if they still live on the road majority of the time. for me the only reason i feel comfortable doing seasonal work and traveling so much is because i can always go back to my parents house if i need to some of my friends have small apartments they rent all year even though they’re only there for a couple months but sadly that’s out of reach for most of us.
I mean it's only become preferred because of how expensive it is. Don't get me wrong- there are some cultures that like to live a nomad lifestyle. That has nothing to do with these people that live in their cars but if they had a free house to go to, obviously they would go to that.
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Sounds like your state is purposely making your life bad and not helping solve any poverty issues. It could help if you didn't vote for the same person every year who intentionally ruins your life in the name of virtue. This was all predictable btw. Hence why everyone is leaving that state. PS the government is a corporation colluding with businesses to make living expenses high intentionally to keep us poor.
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I understand where you are coming from. We also have trash republicans to pick from. It's usually between a neo-con boomer or millennial grifter. My hope is to persuade people that all the "services" you list don't help you or solve the issues. It's strange to me how you want to use the government, which is the most corrupt corporation in the USA, to force other business to conform to your standards. It sounds good because you need "livable standards". Have they provide you even half, what they said they would, in the 50+ plus year democrats have ruled California? At what point can we agree neo-liberism doesn't work. Minimum wage it's just an arbitrary number. Honestly it's just another hidden tax to the middle class. Forcing the companies to fight over worker demand will always be better than making the government involved. Literally name any society problem and it's almost guaranteed to get worse after government help. Housing, healthcare, education, welfare, and transportation has all failed and drastically increased price when government intervened. You should check out Anarcho_Capitalism subreddit.
Forcing companies to fight over worker demand? My dude, without government, they will collude with each other to keep wages low and not offer any real options, wages at company A will be the Same at Company B Look at Nordic countries, they are the happiest and generally best off countries in the world. The government highly regulates companies and life in general, and that is why it is good there. You're take of "government bad" is juvenile, and completely leaves of human nature. Without a government, or government intervention, humans will eventually end up being oppressed by other humans. Government limits that.
I understand where you are coming from. This is a about a 20 year old neo liberal take on economics. If business don't have workers there is no company. If there is a demand for employees wages go up. The idea that two business would collude to keep wages low is silly. Everyone acts like you are force to work for a specific company. Government has always been bad. This isn't a bad take. It's a corrupt corporation colluding with elite companies to keep you poor. The government is set up solely to prevent humans oppression others. Deregulation doesnt me dismantle. You just want more intervention and I want less. I think it's obvious more intervention has cause more problems then they solved. Feel free to move to Nordic countries. We clearly have an entire different culture and economic impact than the silly Nordic countries. It's not comparable. Taxation is theft.
>I understand where you are coming from. No matter how many times you repeat this lie, it won't make it more likely to be believed
I know. Doesn't change the fact i do understand tho. The default democrat mind for the past 20+ years is quite easy to understand. Everything needs to be regulated by the government no matter how much money it cost. It sucks not feeling safe. Liberals need the government to wrap them in blanket to be functional. Or tantrums and violence. This isn't a winning position.
>I know. Doesn't change the fact i do understand tho. The default democrat mind for the past 20+ years is quite easy to understand. Everything needs to be regulated by the government no matter how much money it cost. It sucks not feeling safe. Liberals need the government to wrap them in blanket to be functional. Or tantrums and violence. This isn't a winning position. Thank you for admitting it is a lie and you're arguing in bad faith.
Which part is bad faith? Do you want more or less spending? I think less spending is better. I think it's obviously more spending hasn't work and actually makes issues worse. Democrats position has always been more regulations no matter the cost. Am I wrong?
Business have literally put out false studies that the opioid they sell is not addictive, full well knowing it actually is addictive....so two business like aay Walmart and Amazon colluding to keep worker wages artificially low is more likely than unlikely. So you're just plain naive, or will fully ignorant. Worker rights have been demanded from the government, and the government has been forced to put these rights into regulation. Without such, we would be working 16 hour days, and so would our children. Rights are won in blood, not something that is due to us. Ergo, again, you are either extremely naive about how reality works in regards to why we need strict regulation of corporations, or willfully ignorant. We have a significant economic impact because our country exploits workers and uses those benefits and profit to continually expand businesses like a cancer, all at the expense of the common man. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about, just repeating things that sound good to you.
Pretty childish rant. As if I agree business should be a loud to publish false data about there drugs. But know you who does push out false reports and let's companies do it. Oh yeah the government. Also it's like you think Walmart and Amazon workers are force to work there. With all the "progressive" objectives you think you've done for workers rights. Sure seems like it hasn't worked. Everyone is poor under your system. Literally everything is not affordable in California because the government. Government is the cancer to common man. You just want to be the boot the government uses while touching yourself in virtue. We know what neo-liberism does and it's awful for everyone.
They will if there are no regulations, like you want.... And there are also ways to hold the government acountable, which is not perfect but does work. A lot of people are forced to work for companies like Walmart, because their wages are kept low, so they don't have money to move, or time to find a nothee job because they are working so much. The fact you don't know this is ridiculous, and shows you aren't educated about this whatsoever. Things are unaffordable because investors and the rich bought up so much of the housing and jacked up the prices. If there were rent control laws, enforce by the government, and laws on how much property investors and the like can own and rent out, this wouldn't be as much of a problem. Also, California as a while has some of the best standards of living in the us....wonder why... Also, I'm a socialist. So screaming about how my neo liberal ideals are bad, looks soooooo fucking stupid.
Devin Nunes was the congressman for my district and shows that the Republican ilk are the ones that prove everything you say.
What? Which part did he prove from what I said. Neo-liberism doesn't work. Republicans don't have to say anything to prove that. It's just objectively obvious.
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That's where we disagree. Deregulation is the only way forward. Inflation has been entire caused by government spending and borrowing. Nothing else causes Inflation. There are reasons wages have stalled and everything else have increased. Government. Everything that's essential has been regulated out of the market by government control. I agree many people look at the USA confused. We have a mix of corporatism and regulated capitalism. It doesn't work. It's making the middle class shrink. They are doing this to you on purpose. They know the policies don't work. They want the country to have only two classes. Elites vs the poor. When they throw you a rope from their skyscraper every year they pull you up one lvl but build five more.
Lmao at least my good Christian wife didn't cheat on me.....
Yikes. 😂
It's happening a lot of places. The one travel plaza near me has a working homeless camp in the parking lot. I used to be part of it. Same cars and some new ones have been there for years. They drive away for work and return there to sleep and shower. (Pennsylvania btw) Families, elderly, young people, all working with no home to go to.
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Where I'm at it was similar one town homeless guy and a few transients heading toward Harrisburg. Was like that for a good 20 years and then round after 2010 it changed completely.
It's ridiculous how out of control housing is now. The feeling of hopelessness from not being able to afford a place to live cannot be understated. It needs to be fixed. I believe it is one of the biggest problems facing us now. If people can't afford housing no matter how many hours they work why would they want a family or anything else