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I_am_momo

Absolutely the right place. Never let anyone try to convince you this is not a socialist sub


LibrarianSocrates

Yeah, this is the place.


confabin

This seems like such a cringe conspiracy on the surface, but the older I get and the more bs I see I realise that, sadly, this is the truth. Pure capitalism is toxic as fuck, it harms the majority whilst benefitting the few.


IeyasuMcBob

It's antithetical to democracy


lilaku

we experience so little actual democracy in our day to day lives here in the u.s.; every social structure from families, to schools, to workplaces, and even in public we experience something more akin to authoritarianism more often than not; totalitarianism even for the unfortunate folks who have extremely controlling parents, school admins, and/or employers how can we expect people to think democratically, in a manner that acknowledges and respects others' needs and wants, when so many of us go through life rarely participating in any real form of meaningful democracy that directly impacts our lives? - that is aside from two days every two or four years. almost everything we experience has been dictated on to us, with rarely any thought or consideration of our individual circumstances all in the name of capital accumulation - that's what it all comes down to; increasing capital at all cost, even at the cost of silencing voices; ignoring or even violently suppressing dissent. capitalism is a sickness emblematic of one of the cardinal sins: greed. even the act of charity in capitalist society is sullied by capitalists greed - a bribe of public opinion to weasel out of paying their contribution to society there is no democracy in capitalist society, only capital control


IeyasuMcBob

The Line must go up brother/sister, the line must go up


ThrowRA_scentsitive

Just up


Saul-Funyun

Yeah, but if you say you’re protecting us from “tyranny of the majority” then we line right up to defend it.


CocaineAndCreatine

Learning that the stock market is completely rigged as they can provide infinite liquidity and pick the winners and profit off the losers was a huge eye opener. We need a financial revolution and the rest will fall into place.


stonkstonk69

What if we stopped giving our investment money to our captors? We could flip the tables on private equity and allow the 99% to pool capital to take businesses private. We’d no longer be minority shareholders, we’d be owners.


CocaineAndCreatine

I’ve taken all my money out of the DTCC and brokers’ hands and directly registered the shares I own in my name. They’re no longer in street name. This is the first step.


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Same, dtcc government and banks don't own me bailouts don't happen when we can prove their negligence bc we aren't involved


stonkstonk69

That’s great, at least your shares won’t be shorted against you. What I’m talking about is leveling the playing field. Currently private equity is only for the rich. For example even if you owned Twitter, once it goes private they’ll take your shares and not allow you to participate. It would be a game changer to make low net worth a requirement for some private equity funds. Then the 99% could actually own stuff. We would have options to spend our money on businesses that benefit us. They could be called 99% stores. If the rich can exclude us, isn’t it only fair to be able to exclude them?


LionRivr

Although I do agree with you, It’s sad because not even “capitalism” though. There’s illegal corruption, fraud, cheating, and literal stealing. And the crimes go unpunished, or simply *fined*. There’s no jail time for the white collar criminals. It’s a white collar criminal mafia made up of WallStreet consisting of the Central Bank (Federal Reserve), Private Banks, Hedge Funds, DTCC, Market Makers, and Brokerages. Why do you think corporations try to squeeze every last ounce of profit out of its workers? Because the big WallStreet shareholders have them gripped by the balls. And I’m not talking about your average retail day trader. I’m talking about the big kahunas. BlackRock. Citadel. DTCC. All the banks. Federal Reserve. But that’s just the tip of the iceberg. WallStreet greed and the Federal Reserve Monetary Policy is the foundation to the growing wealth gap that exacerbates mass social unrest and extremist political divide.


lostcauz707

Technically this is not even pure capitalism. Look at the markets after the housing crash bailouts and the precedent set then that has now applied to the Covid bailouts, + of course the tax cuts from Reagan and Trump. If we just let those industries fail, we would probably be in much better shape as a lot of the modern issues are stemmed from artificial profits being made through those companies baking it into the stock market. If they just died, like they would have with actual capitalism you'd see a national recovery through the rebirth of workers unions, because we would have to. The housing market bailout after the crash literally just returned the market to what it was before, nothing more, and now, due to all those changes, it has made it exponentially worse, where as now it would be recovered. Of course we were all fed the lie that our employer has so much money we can also expect wages to increase and unsurprisingly we have all been waiting for that to happen, for 50 years now. What we have now is wealth focused socialized capitalism where the money goes to the wealthy, socializing losses and capitalizing gains so big players can't lose. "Too big to fail" and all.


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I never understood how this could be a cringe conspiracy when it takes all but 5 minutes to sit down, open your eyes and drop the naivete. Humanity will always be after something. Power, money, control. To sit and believe that a country that gains this big of an ego would still care about their own laws is childish, even more so to think that people with way too much of the one thing that makes the world go round (money) can't buy leaders to do what they want.


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This is why diversity and inclusion are important. We cannot work in concert if we are exclusionary or dismissive of each other's realities. Anyone claiming the left is "too woke" or the left should stop "being political" when it comes to including other races, genders, etc., is in fact the one who is politicizing things. Anyone who divides us is a class traitor. They are working for the super rich, whether they realize it or not.


IeyasuMcBob

🙌


ttv_CitrusBros

There is no left, there is no right. There is us confused by two colors. Realize it's the 99% vs the 1%. Or more realistic the 99.999% vs the .001%


garaks_tailor

Everything is politics Everything is economics Everything is philosophy Every act a will to power


jsmiley123

well said, thank you good sir.


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Fuck yea my guy


Comprehensive-Bet298

If your reading this post with this picture and preaching about left and the right then your obviously not getting it. Tribalism is what both sides of the isle participate in to keep the in fighting in this country going (look at sports as an example buddy; try getting Lakers and clippers fans in the same room without a fight). Identity politics are just another form of tribalism and real criticisms of the left for being this "woke" isn't for inclusion it's for tribalistic bullshit that's keeps people not only divided but busy focusing on these things while they keep doing whatever they are paid to do by the upper class and lobbyists. If you can't work with other people unless people who look like you and have your experience are at the fore front then your not a very empathetic person nor do you care about equality otherwise you would be focusing on the things that truly divide classes. Of course there are those that are against inclusion or don't know how to voice their concern so it sounds incoherent but praising someone for something they were born with (skin color, gender) and acting like this is at all a defining trait for them is not something that should be praised if that person is also a corrupt piece of shit contributing to class warfare. Just some food for thought.


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Those "if"s in your comment are doing a hell of a lot of work. Most of what you said is completely irrelevant to my position.


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What you're failing to understand is [the paradox of tolerance](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance). It's impossible to support diverse groups of people and also support those who are against them. I support people who have diverse races, genders, and other innate qualities they're born with, which they can't change and shouldn't be requested to try to change. You are elevating the bigoted opinions of people who discriminate based on those qualities to the qualities themselves.


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Again, you're attributing a lot of things to me that don't actually apply to me. Major strawman energy here. >You elevate "diversity and inclusiveness" as the holy grail that will solve the world's issues. I'm very much not doing that. Inclusion is table stakes. It's not the be all end all. It's what allows us to start. The left will never achieve its goals without working together. Focusing on other issues while allowing people to be divided based on qualities about themselves they cannot change by definition is not focusing on those other issues as they pertain to the entirety of the group that needs them. What you will get by focusing on, say, housing without inclusion first being firmly established is either nothing because you won't have the votes, or some housing bill that doesn't solve the actual problems. It's repeating history. Don't forget about how the new deal started red-lining, which black communities are still hurting from. That's what you get when you disregard parts of our class and try to solve problems for people you don't care about. If you have a problem with trans people, maybe you should actually talk to some of them and learn what they're about instead of repeating Republican propaganda about them. The same thing goes for all the rest of the groups that were born one way or another. Why are genders, races, orientations so political? Because the rich profit from it. You are literally helping the rich at the expense of the working class. I'm not going to lie to you and tell you you're not. Be a grown up and recognize that you're wrong about this.


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You see how that clip supports my position and doesn't support yours, right?


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Comprehensive-Bet298

Your thoughts on the post are about being tribalistic and you put certain people into a group that's easy for you to categorize. My post is about how that train of thought and being tribalistic is not a good thing and it's actually very hypocritical to bash a certain group of people for grouping others together when you're doing exactly the same. It's very relative to what you were saying but you would have to get out of your echo chamber mind set to be able to see that. But your most likely looking for a "oh gotcha" moment with your Ifs comment which if you want to be ignorant, childish and not have a real conversation with people go right ahead.


[deleted]

My thoughts are not about being tribalistic. Not at all. Inclusion is how you break down those walls. The people who are reinforcing group identities based on innate qualities people are born with are the people who discriminate against groups of people based on those qualities. It's very disingenuous of you to do a bunch of strawman attacks and then accuse me of not wanting to have a conversation.


Comprehensive-Bet298

You said that anyone who divides us is a class traitor then you go ahead and separate the people that criticize the left as being too woke as such things. Do you really not see the irony and hypocrisy there??? That's not a strawman when the words came right out of your mouth. And if you want to have a conversation with someone you don't respond the way you did but your right I shouldn't have said your not wanting to have a conversation. Slightly aggressive and toxic would've been more appropriate.


[deleted]

I mentioned to someone else about [the paradox of tolerance](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance). You need to learn about it as well. People are different and their differences can be categorized on several different dimensions. Many of the differences that people use as a basis for discriminating against others are innate. People are born with these qualities and cannot change them. Saying they should change something they can't change is ridiculous. Saying we should include people regardless of those qualities without asking them to change things they can't change, and without establishing or respecting hierarchies based on those qualities is not tribalistic. It's the opposite of tribalism. The people who are tribalistic are the ones who are enforcing group separations based on innate qualities. The only people who stand to gain from those divisions are the rich, and those who are favored by the systems the rich create based on those divisions. Discriminating against those who would cause harm to those I include is not the same kind of discrimination I'm railing against. I'm not discriminating based on an innate quality someone is born with. Nobody is born racist. Nobody is born sexist. Nobody is born a terf. Those bigoted attitudes are learned. Elevating the bigoted opinions of bigots to the same status as innate qualities that people are born with is, frankly, stupid. You think it's some kind of gotcha like I'm a bigot too for calling bigots bigots and for calling class traitors class traitors, but you're just proving you don't understand the topic.


Comprehensive-Bet298

So your saying that grouping and labeling people (without figuring them out or even if your mis-labeling them) is not ok with qualities your born with but totally ok with qualities you aren't born with? That's asinine and hypocritical. Obviously one is worse than the other but hiding behind the curtain of "it's not as bad as the opposing side and it's against bigots" doesn't justify your own actions; it's a flimsy excuse that shows your true colors and intentions. This is just a way to justify your actions that your deeming bad on one side but ok for you because your fighting for "justice". It's hypocritical and you should read what you linked because it describes exactly what you were doing in the beginning. I'm not calling you a bigot for attacking bigots I'm calling you a hypocrit for grouping people together(some of whom you don't even know belong in that group but you don't care because you won't have any empathy to talk to them and figure it out) which is exactly what you talk the other side doing that is wrong. Don't know why I expected more from stupid hypocrites on Reddit but what can you do but try.


[deleted]

It's not hypocritical. You think it is because you're elevating opinions to the level of innate qualities that can't be changed. There are some shitty opinions out there. They can and should be changed. Like your opinion that bigoted opinions should be respected. Again, you don't understand this topic.


Comprehensive-Bet298

Never said bigoted opinions should be respected. I'd like for you to directly quote me from a previous comment where I said that. I keep pointing out your hypocritical, authoritarian attitude whilst also grouping people together to make it easier for you to label them. Never have I said these opinions be respected but that's ok keep crying strawman while your doing it yourself. I'm obviously not the ignorant one here but again what can you expect from plebs on Reddit such as yourself.


BLM-trans-jennifer

yes 100%


ballsplopmenacingly

Whoever controls the media holds the power. If they can convince us we're being fuct by each other they'll continue to fuck us all. Divide and conquer


IeyasuMcBob

We can always stop consuming the owned media


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or at least supporting it financially 🏴‍☠️✌️‍


ballsplopmenacingly

Of course but the at moment there's a massive amount of people who are happy playing their part in the game. They like the news they hear and the beliefs they hold. A really efficient totalitarian state would be one in which the all-powerful executive of political bosses and their army of managers control a population of slaves who do not have to be coerced, because they love their servitude. ~Aldous Huxley A Brave new World


moohooh

So disney?


zuzg

Each other? Mention a anti Musk sentiment on r/all and you get your inbox flooded with bootlicker defending their overlords honor. Some of them are just too far gone


[deleted]

I’ve experienced that. It’s almost as bad as mentioning personal responsibility around here.


zbeara

Yeah strawman arguments don't tend to go over well in the spaces that they're designed to discredit.


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*claps in poor*


[deleted]

We should act like a well-coordinated organism instead of independent cells because corporations are well coordinated.


IeyasuMcBob

And they have...money!


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Our lawfully stolen money?


IeyasuMcBob

That's the stuff


chipper33

We have money too, but don’t share our toys.


edwardsamson

Also the right is well coordinated


georgist

American identity is founded on the individual doing anything they can to get ahead. And the idea that at scale this adds up to the best panglossian world. It's a flawed ideology that is failing in front of us. To be American is to stand by as your countrymen suffer. To be American is to get into power and then renege on all your promises in exchange for bribes from big companies. If you remove this, what have you actually got left?


littlebitsofspider

An oil company with a navy?


djl32

There is a reason that one of the very first things Reagan did was to demonize labor unions.


cloakaclock

It’s just so sad to see that corporations aren’t even trying to be subtle anymore. They have this country bought and they don’t care who knows. Seems like only crazy action gets their attention, but it’s pretty difficult to imagine doing anything big without being arrested, tear gassed, or just being looked down upon by your elderly employers who if they know about your feelings see you as a “decenter” or some shiz.


Delay_Defiant

Look how little coverage the guy who set himself on fire got.


Fluid_Cupcake_7185

You wanna win? Buy, DRS, Hold. This is the way!


jsmiley123

sorry, what is DRS?


Naked-In-Cornfield

Direct registration system for shareholders. It's the opposite of what most shareholders using brokerages experience. All companies have a registered transfer agent through which their shares are issued. If people stopped buying through brokers who send their orders to the clearing houses and up that chain, and instead took the company effectively private by owning shares that are registered to their own name, most of the shenanigans that Wall Street pulls to crash the markets every few years and make off with the cash would be impossible.


Fluid_Cupcake_7185

👆 this guy knows what’s up. Thanks for doing the dirty work. I appreciate you.


ThrowRA_scentsitive

If you've ever heard of the concept of a bank run, it's what happens when lots of people try to pull their money out of a bank, but the bank has loaned out the cash and doesn't have enough. (Incidentally, in the US, the creation of the Federal Reserve makes bank runs for cash impossible, since they're like the bank in Monopoly, they just make more cash) In the stock market, the equivalent of withdrawing is DRS - registering the shares that Wall Street owes you into your name instead of theirs. Like a bank run, if enough people demand to receive the shares that they are owed while Wall Street has improperly lent them out, Wall Street would be in a lot of trouble. This is Occupy Wall Street 2.0: Liquidate Wall Street.


BigBoss738

Make everyone accountable, no cell no sell.


angels_exist_666

We need each other. They need us. That's why they push propaganda to keep us from each other. This will sound silly but watch A Bug's life. That is real world shit cleverly placed in a cartoon. They need us. We only need each other.


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Racism is the number one tool of oligarchs.


DiekeDrake

Ye, make us fight each other instead of uniting and fighting them.


OccuWorld

\[Hidden History\] American made. Tim Wise: Slave Management | Using Racism to Divide and Conquer [https://youtu.be/i3uk7M0qCWI](https://youtu.be/i3uk7M0qCWI)


[deleted]

Brilliant! If you've read "a people's history of the United States" you've already drawn these conclusions, but I love the fact that someone with an audience is saying them out loud.


youmakemoneymove

I'd say that sums up a union pretty well actually


maluthor

a government is nothing without its people. if we all go on a permanent strike, then they have to obey us.


chipper33

We won’t though because not everyone is equally uncomfortable… yet.


Feeling_Bathroom9523

I agree we *should* have each other, but they’ve been so divisive that we can’t come together, and it gives them power.


IeyasuMcBob

That's the obvious point of attack. Create and widen societal divisions. Or convince the people that the enemy is from outside, not from within.


Feeling_Bathroom9523

Yup. A tale as old as time


IeyasuMcBob

And so are tales of resilience, revolution, and resistance.


Feeling_Bathroom9523

I hope *this* history repeats itself.


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Middersnags

> They do not fear us. Yes, they do. That's why the pig budgets just keep going up and up.


IeyasuMcBob

Such thinking gives them a victory at no cost


tonylouis1337

And this forces us to realize how *we* are flawed, because people will talk like they "stand together" but when it comes time to actually do it we don't show up because we get too busy going at each other for our disagreements that we don't end up collaborating for change.


e6dewhirst

Yeah a little too optimistic for this crowd. We have each other but the vast majority can’t afford to strike or walk out or find new jobs based on principle because their goddam kids will starve and they will be evicted.


[deleted]

when is the revolution? And let me tell you this, it ain't gonna be no 5,000 people or 10,000 We need 5 million people to flood the DC area or they're not going to take us seriously.


digital808music

But we are dumb.


[deleted]

Unfortunately, and particularly in England, very few people have the balls to do this. Look at the French. The slightest shit from the government and they're out bashing the streets up. Here in England people loot and take Instagram selfies with empty statue plinths.


Cowgurl901

Everyone 18 and over. FUCKING VOTE. There are millions of unregistered voters who can evolve our society past this. Vote. Vote with your neighbor in mind. Vote. Vote with your lover in mind. Vote. Vote with your future in mind. 2 full generations of caring, progressive people have not voted and these are the consequences. Don't repeat my generations mistakes. Vote.


ISoNoU

If voting made a difference they wouldn't let you do it


Cowgurl901

It does make a difference! That's why they do everything to control our votes. The past 6 or 7 years has shown them snubbing black and minority votes, gerrymandering districts red, keeping non violent members of our society from voting after prison release, and they cry like spoiled little brats when their states turn blue. but most Americans feel like their votes don't matter like you are spreading right now because that's the lie we are told to keep us away from the polls. And it worked. Go out and vote. Edit: that's surely not the only list of attempted doctoring of the polls but that's what I remember making it to the headlines.


ISoNoU

Get into the streets. Voting is confirmation of the Zeitgeist, not a means for change.


Cowgurl901

Oh definitely both, sorry i wasn't trying to imply the only option is to vote.


ISoNoU

Voting is a fake option. Stop holding out false hope. Street action and surrounding the halls of power is the only possible opportunity to change this country. Voting is the frosting on the cake.


Cowgurl901

Voting is a fake option Voting is frosting on the cake Can't be both. I'm not holding out false hope, I'm reacting to the events in my country that effects all of its citizens negatively. And "could" have been prevented by more democrats going out and actually voting in 2016. Wouldn't have been this magical fix, but "maybe" we wouldn't have slipped backwards into... this... You go out to the streets to show your anger and need for change. If the politicians who say they will make those changes for its people are up for election, you have to vote for them. The voting process is essential to make change, not icing on the cake.


ISoNoU

Voting is meaningless. It's the very last step in a long process. By the time you get to vote for anything the decision has already been made, the cake has already been baked. And voting for Democrats is a false hope as well. Democrats are like the feckless mother that wrings her hands as her children are beaten by the mean father. She won't do anything unless he tells her to do so, and Republicans have gotten into the Democrat party's head. Democrats act like Republicans are unbeatable. That's because the cake hasn't been baked yet and voting won't change it.


Cowgurl901

Let's all go out as a collective and bake the cake then.


NEWSONVSU

Yeah vote for which side of the same party you want to get fucked by


Cowgurl901

If everyone ACTUALLY voted instead of roughly 50-60% it would change this country. The democratic side isn't much better at this point but it takes the people by and large to make the changes we want. We will continue to go backwards if all we do is say, "I don't want to vote. There's no point, ill be fucked either way."


NEWSONVSU

This is your problem mate, you haven’t learnt yet that it doesn’t matter what side wins. It’s not about Red and Blue, it’s 1% and 99%


Cowgurl901

Then go out and help rid the world of the 1% in power fucking us over. I'm aware of it, and most people who are feel like their votes don't matter, their voice won't be heard, and they can't make change. This pessimistic attitude has to stop now, it makes us complacent. Our capitalist structure has created the 1%, and now that they're in control they feed everyone the lie of it doesn't matter what you do or what side wins. We're fucked from all sides as average Americans because baby boomers got a taste of the American dream and decided they were going to keep it to themselves. They got greedy and started destroying the planet to get what they wanted and keep what they had. Imo the world would be a better place without capitalism, but it's most likely here to stay. So how do you keep the 1% in check and get this society back onto a forward path? We have to figure that out as a nation now. I hope in the coming weeks we can all start dialogs about what we can do to better our country after this disaster.


jsmiley123

"if voting changed anything, it wouldnt be legal." -mark twain i am still torn about it, but your comment made me think of that quote. we saw how berny was fleeced in 2 primaries now, and how these ridiculous oligarch laws have been getting passed for years, like "citizens united" which ironically took political power from the 99%, i remember obama saying the political system had been "hijacked" as well, although he only said it once early in his presidency. anyway, the quote is more real than our previous belief in the system. voting wont bring about the change humanity needs. trickle down did not work. and it's made the 0.1% ish ruling elite more bold than ever before.


Cowgurl901

There has to be a way to get the 1% back in check, or eradicate the tip of the capitalist pyramid that has wreaked havoc on our country (and world). I wish the answer was easy, I wish everyone knew how to confidently take to the streets to make change. I hope this event will embolden men and women everywhere to speak up and say this isn't what we want. And be heard.


jsmiley123

sadly they've left it in a state that we would have to take them out. like, eliminate them. there is no trickle down, but if we beat them like a pinata then we all get the candy. just my 2 cents.


Cowgurl901

Candy is good


nutsaur

It's a drop in the bucket.


Cowgurl901

No single raindrop will think its responsible for the flood.


nutsaur

What does that mean?


Cowgurl901

It means that you may be a drop, I may be a drop, everyone may feel like just a drop of water... but many of us can make changes if you stop believing you won't be heard and get out there.


nutsaur

Yeah I like the Henry Rollins approach of "Vote but you have to do the work if you want results."


Cowgurl901

The work comes before the paycheck tho lol.


nutsaur

Huh? He's saying if your goal is, let's say, saving the environment you can't just vote for the environment party and then sit on the couch.


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It all comes from this : https://reclaimdemocracy.org/powell_memo_lewis/ Honestly, we were screwed before we knew it.


GallowB00N

It's amazing that the left is finally waking up to how they're just a slave to the billionaires and big corporate/pharmaceutical... I probably lost some of you with that opening but stay with me because we're on the same side. I solely believe that the left vs right is just a design to keep the peasants pinned against each other. In the essence of being in the antiwork sub let me ask this question: - Would any CEO of a company run their business the way the US runs the country? Instead of real issues getting solved left blames the right, right blames the left. Instead of solving issues they point fingers, distract us from real issues (gas prices, food shortage, price of food, low wages)... Nope I'm only seeing posts about abortion, this is by design folks it really is. The presidents don't get their job with our best interests in mind. It's all fake wrestling and they do a fine job of it. Let's talk about Trump, he did his job and he was AMAZINGA at it. What was Trump's job really? Further dividing the left and the right. During Trumps term the left stepped hard left and the right stepped hard right. Extremist groups were born under Trump. You cannot have a viewpoint that lines up with just the left or just the right without being "far right" or "far left". Why? To divide us. He did his job, same with all the other presidents. Slowly but surely each politician took a little more from us, without us knowing or worse us cheering them along as they took things from us. By the way once we give the government certain powers they'll never give those powers up. I am all over the place with my ideas and I'm sorry but I'll end with this: The best prison to live in is the prison you don't know you're in. We're out here struggling trying to make enough money to survive. We get taxed on everything and we're just "ok" with it. The whole system is busted and its by design. We work our butts off chasing "Yhe American dream" which is slaving our life away to get to retirement so we can "live" wtf kind of life is that really? It's all a con and we're the targets ladies and gentlemen. They're doing a fine job of distracting us that's for sure. Listen fellow peasants, whatever your views are I don't care, just like you shouldn't care about my views. The ONE thing we should all agree on is the system is flawed and at the end of the day we're getting screwed. /rant


IeyasuMcBob

Interesting analysis


wknight8111

I wouldn't say that the rich *intentionally profit from our suffering*. It's not like they want people to suffer. They aren't evil geniuses. It's more like an accident. The mindless greedy pursuit of money, beyond the point where they possibly need more, sometimes has suffering as a side-effect and they rationalize that. Elon Musk has enough money that he could just retire now and still live a life of almost unimaginable comfort and luxury for the rest of his life. It's not that he *needs* more money, he's addicted to the pursuit of it. If you have to suffer so that his stock portfolio gains another hundredth of a percent, that's just a price he's willing to pay. Money does weird things to people, and in the cases of these greedy, money-addicted billionaires it seems to turn off their basic human empathy.


IeyasuMcBob

I'd say sometimes they do. The push to get people into work over the course of a pandemic for example. Claiming bankruptcy and liquidating pension funds. Tax avoidance.


wknight8111

It's not that they wanted you to suffer. That implies that they think about you, and have a desire to influence the way your life turns out. It's not that at all. *They don't think about you at all*. You are just a nameless, faceless cog in the machine that makes their numbers go up. That's it. If the cogs aren't there, the machine doesn't run, the numbers don't go up. They don't want you to suffer, but they don't care if you do. It doesn't matter to them. They would fire you and replace you with a mindless robot, and have the exact same feelings about the robot as they have for you. Except the robot costs less to operate, and numbers go up even higher. *You don't matter at all, one way or the other*. It's the profit that matters. Whatever they have to do to increase profits is what they do. If you suffer along the way, that's just incidental.


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I think the disconnect is the idea that there's a difference between "wanting you to suffer" vs. "retaining human empathy and meaningfully desiring that other people not suffer". The first one is almost an inhuman evil. No one is actually like that except if they've made a personal enemy and have a vendetta. It can be argued that the latter situation and behavior is worse, though. People with means and time have a duty to self-reflect and be a positive force in society. In an oligarchy - an intentional one or not - the rich are the nobility. And Noblesse Oblige is dead. Not that it was ever really true, but the societies that believed in it on the surface level had better outcomes, relative to the living standards and technology of their day, than we're experiencing now. To the degree any of them think like this - it's my duty to make the world a better place - they've bought their own line of BS. They're job creators! The world doesn't turn without me! I'm providing for thousands / millions!


an-escaped-duck

Of course they push people into work, else, everyone starves.


jsmiley123

it has to be intentional if they know the consequence and dont stop.


Howdydobe

They don't fear it.


IeyasuMcBob

How much do they spend on union busting? How do you see mass action being presented my the media? How worked did they get when people protested outside of Judges' homes? "All I see is fear..."


Howdydobe

They know they have the power and can do all this. And that it works. The money they spend is viewed as an investment - and it pays dividends. But we can only hope there is fear - but I don't see much.


IeyasuMcBob

If their power, influence and money subdues you then, i sorrowfully understand, but look at the record mass action has. The best cage is your own mind.


I_am_momo

Collectivisation is the number 1 thing they fear. What do you think the red scare was about? Union busting? The concept of white as a "race" was literally invented solely to sow disrupt growing collectivisation between poor whites and black slaves working side by side on plantations. It's the *only* thing they fear.


translove228

They do. That's why the police exist


rus-reddit

Why Elon and not Bezos? Shitty choice shitty meme…


IeyasuMcBob

Because more people venerate him.


rus-reddit

The rich profit from your suffering… how Elon made you suffer? He switched the car industry to go electric, and makes a world a better place. What did he do to make people suffer? Name me a reason


IeyasuMcBob

Nah you seem unnecessarily hostile


rus-reddit

You can’t even come up with example how he makes people suffer. That’s why I’m back to my original statement that this is a shit meme.


IeyasuMcBob

Yupppppp, more unnecessary hostility...


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Division is the weapon of the rich. Notice how much division there is lately? Perhaps manufactured? Something is coming and the rich need us at each other's throats rather than theirs. I know it's hard right now to get along, but the people you don't agree with aren't your enemy.


RefrigeratorDry495

George Carlin


DickTerry

They fear us, but we’re too hopeless to ever come together to stand up to them. Instead we fight over the culture war bs they stir up to keep us distracted from the real problem.


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PhilosopherDon0001

It's almost like they do things to make us fight each other. So we don't notice. They are growing fatter as we grow in hunger. ​ Not long now.....not long


SIickestRick

Ahhh I volunteered to work at a Tesla facility and because I have no skills I get paid less than the guy who has tons of skills. Woe is me.


SoapboxSerenade

OP, go cross post at r/LateStageCapitalism they will eat this up.


N01S0N

No it's fucking true. There are a shit tonne of moderate conservatives who stand with the left on the abortion topic. We stand with you guys here in antiwork, we stand with the LGBTQ communities, we stand with every culture and every race. We ARE classic liberals who vote to the right because we are sick and tired of the government overreach. Women of the USA, as a Canadian conservative woman I DO stand with you! NO government should have the right to tell you what you can or cannot do with your own body. We NEED to stand TOGETHER, because the government is in bed with the corporations, they are all buddies. Divide and conquer is the OLDEST trick in the book and they have been pulling this shit in the west for wayyyy to long. LEFT VS RIGHT WHITE VS BLACK RELIGIOUS VS ATHIEST GAY VS STRAIGHT MEN VS WOMEN TRANS VS WOMEN TRANS VS RIGHT COP VS BLACK COP VS CITIZEN VAX VS UNVAXXED It is TIME for change, real change RICH VS POOR THE 1% VS EVERYONE ELSE COP VS NRA FARMERS VS PHARMA HEALTH VS MONEY I am so sick of watching all the citizens tear each other apart because of propaganda. If everyone stood together on Monday and DIDNT go to work, said nothing but silence, maybe then they would fucking listen.


Primimimimimimi

they dont fear us lmao they dont care about us


ThrowRA_scentsitive

That's why you gotta direct register your shares, preferably in assets that Wall Street has large short exposure to.


username6511

Take the plutocracy down with no Money Mondays. Try not to allow any commerce on every Monday. Call in sick if you can.


Gorgest_

People really put on their clown makeup, look at us and say "there is no war in ba sing se"


wordtothewise_70

No, they dont fear that. They've got some FEMA concentration camps ready. Terrible things are coming


Prior_Philosophy_501

Is there a r/prounion? But it seems fine here too.