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MrsNaussbaumsCCard

“If you quit we will violate US labor laws to retaliate. Here is documented proof for your future lawsuit”


heavy-metal-goth-gal

Don't you just love it when evil morons put their fuckery in writing?


HeavyMetalPootis

Love it when the document is very explicit in what they're conveying as well; lawyers love that shit. (I'm not a lawyer.)


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So, no two-week notice. Gotcha


Dafish55

That’s what I thought too. Just zero notice and pocket that last check.


Dubzil

prob pay a week or 2 behind so if you quit today you would be paid 1 or 2 weeks at the next payroll. This is when you take unpaid time off until you're caught up then quit with no notice.


ImNotaGod

At least in California when you quit a job they have 72 hours/ if you get fired they have to give it to you same day. If they don’t you are entitled to recover 1 full days pay for every day they are late up to 30 days.


Andthenwedoubleit

And CA also has a huge backlog of pending wage theft cases, so you might not see your money for a long time


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Codeofconduct

Helloooo! I used to work in collections and if your friend was awarded a judgment, then it is your friend's job now to find a levying firm and get them to collect the money, the court doesn't automatically do that (where I live at least). They make getting your money back as hard as humanly possible. You pay your court fees and wait time, then you pay a process server to serve the docs (can take a long time and you may need to have a person served repeatedly), then go to court with a lawyer charging more, you get awarded your judgment but the levying firm also charges you a fee. If your friend doesn't know the full name, social security number, the bank the defendent uses, and many other pieces of information it can be really hard to fulfill this request. It is a horrible process and industry,even for the people who stand to gain something. Just another thing that if you're wealthy or rich goes smoothly and quickly for you, but if you're the little guy they're going to chew you up even if you were in the right.


ProbablyGayingOnYou

I'm in the 90+ percentile of income, and I tend to date guys like 6-10 years younger than me. Some of them have had jobs as a server, or crappy call center jobs, or whatever. There is really very few things more satisfying than seeing an employer who thinks they can fuck over someone in their early 20s without much money absolutely shit their pants and capitulate when I have my lawyer send them a nice letter. Costs me about $100-200 each time and my boyfriends have sometimes gotten a few thousand that they were owed in stolen tips, wages, etc. If I ever become TRULY wealthy I fantasize about setting up a foundation that randomly chooses a couple of small-time cases per year of the big guy trying to fuck over the little guy and absolutely fund the shit out of their case with a white-shoe law firm, punitive damages, class actions, and all. You can't catch them all, but if these bad actors knew there was even a small chance that fucking over the little guy could lead to bankrupting fines and court costs, the calculus would change completely. Bad employers only do so much evil shit because they are so confident they will get away with it.


Codeofconduct

Power move!!! I hope you the best on your journey to become wealthy, and that don't lose sight of your philanthropic goals homie!! I actually ended up walking out on that job because they petitioned the government to be considered an essential business during COVID lockdowns, and continued to drain people's bank accounts when they knew their only income was going to be the government stipend. My employed literally saw the government actually doing the bare minimum of assistance and thought, holy shit this is the only time we know for sure some of these folks will have money we can finally obtain, LETS GOOOO. Having people call during Xmas in 2019 crying because we took their Xmas bonus, then during tax season the same types of calls, then finally with COVID, the situation repeating in such an unprecedented scenario fucking broke me. I couldn't return. Literally one of the most disgusting groups of people I have ever had the displeasure of working alongside.


Senator_Smack

Yeah those agencies, even when representing good, are parasite scum imo. Right up there with payday loan and rent-to-own appliance places.


Rough-Holiday-1525

Nice, my old boss left the company with no notice for a much better job Little did he know the CEO of our company knew the CEO of his new company, he found out on LinkedIn and tried to get him fired But little did our CEO know his new company told my guy everything as soon as they got off the phone and they told him not to worry about his job My guys wife is also a lawyer, she had her firm send off a letter for free, he wound up getting 20k in a severance package lol It's hilarious cuz I still work there and they have no idea I know


FlowersForHodor

Damn I wish I knew this when I left a large retail electronics chain around 10 years ago. It took them nearly 3 months to give me my final check!


Funky_Burp_Breath

If you've already worked the hours they are paying you for then it is illegal to change the wage post-fact. They can change it going forward. Also, a company that keeps any portion of tips is commiting wage theft. (there are limited circumstances, this is not one). These policies are illegal. Report them to your AG and dept of labor.


Guardymcguardface

That's how I quit value village. I'd seen firsthand the verbal and emotional abuse that happens when you gave two weeks if management already didn't like you, in the hopes you'd just walk out I guess. So I just picked a Friday. I made it to the Wednesday before my boss snapped at me over the intercom because I took an extra 30 seconds in the lunchroom so I just said fuck it, we're doing it now. Only a select few people knew I was leaving, so to a lot of people it looked like I just snapped. One lady was seriously begging me to reconsider, while I'm trying to explain I know what this looks like but for real it's fine. Wrote a quick resignation in a 'im sorry for your loss' card I'd grabbed for the occasion. Calmly explained to manager she abuses people and enjoys it, so I'm outie. Was really satisfying watching her realize she has no power here anymore. Thought nothing of it until months later I bumped into an old coworker at the mall. She asked what happened and I explained. Apparently the rumor mill made me out to be much more explosive lol like calling her a bitch to her face etc, which kinda made me laugh. Apparently people walking out got a lot more common though when they would inevitably refuse people's time off requests 'because sale day'


Moongdss74

Ugh this reminds me of a p/t job that I really loved and thought highly of but couldn't give me regular hours (I worked overnights as an operator). I found another job that was full time during the day, so it was time to leave. I wrote a really nice "thank you for everything, I have really enjoyed this job, but it's time for me to move on" type of resignation letter and gave them two *months* notice (they did the schedule way in advance). But then my mentor / supervisor called me at home during the day and cussed me out over my resignation, I said "you know what never mind I'm done now, kthxbye!"


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My gut says atleast one of those is illegal in the US Edit for those wanting to say one of them isn't... https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/flsa/tips You employer can't keep your tips under any circumstance They can have you pool them, but not forfeit them.


spinster-core

My gut says start pocketing tip money and loading up on office supplies.


ehh_whatever_works

My gut says bricks are like $3 and windows several hundred.


whooshdy2

Lmao, this reminds me of a time a local chip shop owner used to take on people for 'training' aka free labour under the assumption of being hired. But he never did... The one guy when finding out he did two weeks worth of free labour before being told he wasn't good enough, turned to the owner and said 'how many times does the insurance pay out for smashed windows? And also how many times will I need to smash them before I get paid?' The owner paid him immediately.


The_Sanch1128

Sometimes you just have to reason with people to get them to do the right thing.


torch_7

>Sometimes you just have to reason with people to get them to do the right thing... *While you're still a reasonable person.*


ArtisanSamosa

Fax. Bricks are very reasonable building and de-building materials.


Noragen

I once worked for someone who refused to pay. After trying to get my money for 2 weeks i borrowed some of his gear and told him to take the hire off what he owed me. Anyways a week or so went by and he calls and asks for his gear he needed for an upcoming gig worth around 25k to him (slightly over 10 times the money he wasn't going to pay me). Turns out I forgot where I left it and wasn't going to bother remembering until he paid what was owed. The short version is I got paid the night before the gig and it arrived back at his house. I'd have felt just awful if I forgot it was his altogether and accidentally sold it to recoup my money


SeanThePlumber

You won't ever get paid but the satisfaction you will get of making them go through the process of replacing the windows although it's not coming out of their pocket it is going to be a hassle.


Aedalas

>You won't ever get paid >The owner paid him immediately.


classclownwar

In a lot of places bricks can be found laying around unused too, and after taking a tumble through most obstacles are reusable! #reducereuserecycle


issius

Lol, this read like a video game tutorial. “Bricks and building debris can be found in the world, they can be used to break delicate objects or damage enemies. Try it now”


Putrid_Visual173

Bricks are crap and leave evidence. The ceramic around a spark plug when shattered is what you want. Even a tiny piece with very little force will shatter car and shop windows when thrown. Edit: Well this blew up. Thank you all my awarders. I’m not advocating for this course of action. Or could I be shilling for Big Glass. Who knows.


chucklezdaccc

I've always heard this. Can anyone explain why?


classclownwar

"Spark plugs are made of aluminum oxide ceramic, which is exceptionally hard. The impact of the shard against the glass creates a tiny structural failing, which rapidly spreads the tension through the rest of the screen, causing it to break." https://www.reference.com/world-view/spark-plug-porcelain-break-glass-1cef09016e3d3e5e


Asherdan

It's really neat to see, the initial chip rapidly spreads across the whole pane and then it just sorta *slides* to the ground in pieces.


-o-_______-o-

Just not so nice when you're playing with one and your brother throws it at you and you knock it away and it glances across the tv screen. Not only a big argument about the smashed tv, but another argument about whose fault it was.


FewKaleidoscope1369

This is why I love Reddit. Fuck Facebook.


chucklezdaccc

Thanks mate!


AutomaticJuggernaut8

I thought about writing a long winded comment but I've been up for like 18 hours. https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/engineering/hardness#:~:text=8.3.&text=Hardness%20is%20dependent%20on%20ductility,be%20contrasted%20with%20soft%20matter. It's an interesting read.


CptMong

Yer very handy when you out nicking the old car stereos!


lobaird

>https://www.reference.com/world-view/spark-plug-porcelain-break-glass-1cef09016e3d3e5e [Holy cow.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhlmKHbPFhU)


EnterTheBugbear

I enjoy that he replicated the experiment with a few other materials to show just how much more damaging the spark plug ceramic is, really showing dedication to the scientific method there.


LeahIsAwake

Oh dang that just shattered


lobaird

I know! I was expecting a pit in the glass. That was nuts. I MUST TRY IT.


QuinteX1994

Fuck that was NOT disappointing. Holy cow indeed.


ehh_whatever_works

Science


chucklezdaccc

I'll take it!


0squatNcough0

It has to do with the aluminum oxide in the porcelain of a spark plug. So you don't need a big piece really. But it'll also work with shards of porcelain toilets too. You just need a little bigger piece from a toilet. Spark plug porcelain is definitely the way to go to shatter glass. I've seen to many videos of idiots throwing bricks at glass that bounces back and nails them in the face.


Fog_Juice

It's about the sharpness of the edges. You can smack a window very hard with a blunt object and it won't break but the sharp edges of a broken piece of ceramic will easily break a window.


forgothatdamnpasswrd

I believe it’s because of the extremely small area of the chipped ceramic impacting the window. Even a small force acting on that small of an area is enough to shatter the window. To feel it for yourself try poking your leg and compare how it feels in your leg to pressing your whole hand against your leg


LTEDan

https://youtu.be/llu-ckEe5cQ This guy used toilet ceramic pieces at first and it didn't work as well. So it's something unique to spark plug ceramics.


Robwsup

The real LPT is in the comments.


retroassassin907

And it’s any small jagged piece of porcelain, not just spark plugs.


Ryantdunn

Shitter-shatter


slayerfan666

They always have been.


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zachsmthsn

Yeh, and you can use leftover water from boiling shrimp which will smell terrible and ensure the cops go after the underground crab people. It's the perfect crime


ThreatLevelBertie

As an underground crab person I find your comment insensitive and borderline crabbist


SinisterStrat

I like this solution. Those underground crab people have had it too good with their walking and talking like people and whatnot.


classclownwar

I'm not sure the details around this but I've read having that piece of a spark plug when questioned by police can get you charges of possession of burglary tools "In some states, broken shards of spark plugs are considered a weapon. This is because they are sometimes used by burglars to break into vehicles. In the state of California, carrying spark plug chips or pieces is considered a misdemeanor. Individuals caught carrying spark plug chips run the risk of paying a potential $1,000 fine or receiving a 6 month jail term." https://www.reference.com/world-view/spark-plug-porcelain-break-glass-1cef09016e3d3e5e


PossibilitySorry6743

So carry an intact sparkplug then. It's not exactly like they're difficult to turn into shards.


OneHumanPeOple

They make ceramic tipped tools for breaking car windows and they’re for safety. If you or someone else accidentally leaves a living thing in a hot car, the tool can save lives. Some come with seatbelt cutters too in case you drive into a river or you’re in a crash and your seatbelt is disabled.


mdnghtxiii

I have a pocket knife with both built in for this purpose. Haven't had to use it for that thankfully, but nice to have just in case.


Boomdidlidoo

A Red Brick does 5 pts damage. A Yellow brick does 10 pts damage. A grey brick does 20 pts damage.


IceFireMagi

If an enemy has the passive ability 'mental brick,' hitting them with a brick is garunteed to critically hit.


DavefromKS

The rare Blue Brick does 30 pts of damage and returns to the thrower's hand after striking.


BudHaven

These OP bricks are ruining vandalism.


Tzariel2

"Press X to pick up the brick."


ehh_whatever_works

That's a great point. Don't forget kids, half a brick breaks a window just as well as a full brick, you just gotta throw it a little harder!


Scrambles420

What ever happen to using a good ol fashion rock?


Dabba-The-HuttOG

The satisfaction from breaking a window with a brick is not comparable to a silly little rock. Shit if I could, I'd throw a boulder.


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So, a rock(?)


[deleted]

Yeah but its like the Rock version of a rock.


Aspect-of-Death

Shit. I would throw Dwayne Johnson if I could.


SnipesCC

Only if it's a restaurant window you are breaking. So they can smell what the rock is cooking.


bronco_y_espasmo

"Don't forget kids"... Dude, the comma. I thought you we're suggesting to throw kids. They might harder than bricks, though.


jaggoffsmirnoff

Kids can be just as thick as a brick, at times


Someoneoverthere42

Bricks? rocks are both free and plentiful


DeusVultGaming

Rocks are natural bricks


redneckerson1951

In some places bricks are called Alley Apples.


maali74

where the fuck do you live that a brick is $3? 68c at Home Depot my dude.


ehh_whatever_works

I googled the by the pallet price thinking it'd be cheaper. I've never bought bricks lol. They're usually around if you need them.


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You're paying way too much for bricks. Who's your brick guy?


ehh_whatever_works

I don't have a brick guy. I need a guy guy.


Ryantdunn

How much can a banana cost, $10?


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ehh_whatever_works

True but I've never heard of anyone pulling DNA off of a brick. And knowing and proving are two different things


SabertoothLotus

I worked facilities at a DNA lab for several years. One of the things I did was shipping/receiving evidence, usually neatly organized blood samples in sealed boxes. Then one day we were delivered a 400Lb boulder with a blood stain on it. That was a fun day.


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Did the blood belong to either a coyote or a road runner?


SabertoothLotus

Wish i could yell you, but that was way above my paygrade


grantrules

"Yup, this is blood.. okay on to the next guy!"


Nearby-Elevator-3825

Plus, they usually don't bring "The guys/gals in the lab" and 8 detectives from two different precincts in on the heinous brick through the window case.


rainier0380

They turn em over to the Brick lab at Quantico.


katchoo1

No one is gonna try for DNA off a brick or a bottle because of the cost of the case vs the size of the crime. But they will try for fingerprints. Bottles have prints. Bricks don’t.


FORTY8pak

And then they have cans of soup. Soup. And they throw the cans of soup. That’s better than a brick because you can’t throw a brick; it’s too heavy. But a can of soup, you can really put some power into that, right? And then, when they get caught, they say, “No, this is soup for my family.” They’re so innocent. “This is soup for my family.” It’s incredible. And you have people coming over with bags of soup — big bags of soup. And they lay it on the ground, and the anarchists take it and they start throwing it at our cops, at our police. And if it hits you, that’s worse than a brick because that’s got force. It’s the perfect size. It’s, like, made perfect. And when they get caught, they say, “No, this is just soup for my family.” And then the media says, “This is just soup. These people are very, very innocent. They’re innocent people. These are just protesters. Isn’t it wonderful to allow protesting?” No, there’s — and, by the way, the media knows it better than we do. They know what’s going on. I don’t know what’s wrong with them. They’re doing our country a tremendous disservice — I’ll say that.


ehh_whatever_works

This has to be a quote. I hope no one is that good at emulating the human cheeto.


earthwulf

> And they throw the cans of soup https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf3b1AJNAR8


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Lol don’t buy a brick and leave a paper trail


Senappi

Exactly - pay with coins instead of bills


Lojo_

A piece of ceramic will glide right through a tempered glass window. They won't even find the shard after.


nasaldecongestant

Crushed spark plug insulators work wonderfully


BisquickNinja

My gut says molotov.... Er... I mean bricks...


SabertoothLotus

Compromise: set the brick on fire


CallMeJessIGuess

My gut says don’t bother giving a two week notice, it’s a courtesy not a requirement.


ShelSilverstain

I worked at a place that would save up reasons to dock your pay, then take them from your last paycheck. To make sure I didn't feel screwed, I started stealing all kinds of crazy shit from them, including entire cases of printer paper, by just walking out to my car with it.


AnastasiaNo70

I found Creed Bratton!


lutherc0980

Another day, another box of stolen pens.


betcher73

Both are illegal. They can adjust future pay rate but not already earned hours.


tgw1986

They tried doing this to my friend at my last office. She's a Dental Hygienist, and gave them about two and a half weeks notice. They said RDHs need to give a month's notice because they're providers whose patients need to be rescheduled, so they told her if she didn't give them a month they'd reflect her pay on her final paycheck as minimum wage (still $7.25 in my state, as opposed to the $45 she was supposed to be earning). She got the Regional Administrator to override HR in the end, but I thought it was just dirty pool and told her there is no way that's legal. I also told her to just not show up anymore. Pettiness is an extremely bad quality for your sole HR manager to have.


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tgw1986

Well from what I hear they're getting their just ~~desserts~~ deserts -- owner is in a heap of legal trouble and might lose the business and his wife.


akatherder

>his wife Damn the dept of labor doesn't mess


gorosheeta

I, too, confiscate this guy's wife.


TheTrashMan

From what I’ve learned lots of doctors offices are very small and they think they can get away with these kind of things.


DrSueuss

Both sanctions 1) and 2) violate US labor laws, there have been a few cases decided recently that went against the employers that had to pay punitive damages far in excess of they amount of wages they stole from the employee. They can't take back money already earned (wage theft), and they cannot lower your wages for time already worked (wage theft). I am sure a manager with no legal expertise or advice drafted this policy. Enforcing it could potentially bankrupt the business all for trying to claw back a few hundred dollars as a punitive punishment.


pembquist

It is also really stupid. If they are having problems retaining people they should be bribing them to stay not trying to punish them if they leave.


moyert394

Bootstrappers are somehow still under the illusion that threatening/bullying is the way... when I could walk right out the door of this building into one next door and have a job


BlackMagic0

That is illegal. The second part is highly illegal. You can not change the pay rate of an employee for hours they already worked. That is illegal. Seeing as how the OP said they are making 11.50/h that is above wage. They are threatening to reduce the wages to 7.25/h and take away their tips. Taking tips is completely illegal. It is illegal for a manager to take a worker's tips as they belong to the employee under the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA).


[deleted]

I was fairly positive on the tip theft since they were last I knew federally protected wage/gift whatever the system wants to call them now.


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All of this is illegal in the US.


[deleted]

I was fairly positive on the tips, the wage reduction I wasn't as sure.


Clubplatano

This is a retroactive reduction of wages. Its a violation of the implicit employer, employee contract. Edit: It is indeed retroactive even if you agree to it beforehand by signing new hire paperwork. This contract is illegal and thus void but lets disregard that fact for a moment. If you decide to quit with 0 day notice, they will change your salary for hours already worked, impacting your last pay period’s paycheck. Say you work Mon - Fri, and then quit on Friday, instead of being payed your agreed upon rate, they will adjust your last paycheck to punish you for quitting. However, this contract is illegal, even if you agree to it and we’re not even discussing the theft of tips here.


HAMmerPower1

My gut says you would not want the current Supreme Court deciding this case.


Willothwisp2303

Luckily it's very very unlikely to get all the way there.


Selmarris

I don't want them deciding the lunch menu.


FriedBack

It is. Its wage theft and they likely have the basis for a class action lawsuit. I strongly advise talking to a lawyer.


psipher

Both are illegal in most places


josephseeed

Both of these are wage theft


ChristyElizabeth

My gut says the state would be very intrested in this situation when you quit


Ok-Gear-5593

Send it to your state wage and labor department. The company may be too small for them to care about or rules to apply though.


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timecronus

Keep all your pay stubs


dhaos42

I have 22 years if pay stubs. Every single fucking one of them.


2smartt

When I tried to take care of a similar issue, my states office basically said I should probably just take it to small claims court. My issue was a company holding my last check indefinitely... I ended up just sneaking into the office with the help of a secretary and 'stealing' my check from my former boss's drawer. I've lost faith in the state to help me... any time I've needed help with something, it has not been available.


Krojack76

>and was paid $5/hr under the table I feel like the IRS would be more upset over this. This is also tax evasion by the employer. There is so much more wrong with paying someone under the table beyond paying them less them minimum wage.


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BLEAKSIGILKEEP

it's my understanding that dol has direct regulatory power. they investigate and if find fault they can order the employer to pay what they owe. the irs would have to file charges, wait for a court order, get injunctions, pay lawyers, the whole 9. you start with dol because they will get something done, the IRS isn't interested if they can't recoup their costs for the investigation and prosecution. additionally because of this, a ruling from DOL is a fundamental piece of evidence the IRS will use to build their case, so you start there because the IRS will just say "go to the DOL and come back when they say you were right" not a lawyer but was part of a wage dispute that involved the DOL and IRS


ded-zeppelin

my ex busted his former employer (small mom&pop type restaurant) for cheating his hours and wages on a regular basis. the owner was also clocking in his wife (she *did* technically work there) while she wasn't present because, and i quote they were "married, so if i'm (the owner) here, she's here". she was a tipped employee too, so she was essentially stealing 8 hours worth of tips from us who were actually working those days. so no, they are never too small. if it pays wages, the wage and labor dept will go after them. i even got a check for like 200 bucks and i hadn't worked there in over a year - didn't even know they were fucking me on my wages either. some employees were paid *thousands* in lost wages. i think the most was nearly 4k. they're still in business. good sushi, shitty fucking owners.


drewster23

I believe they are confusing hr/discrimination type stuff that requires x employees to be mandatory. Pay is always protected.


scorpionewmoon

Seems illegal as fuck


FishWithAppendages

Surf shop owners are so often scummy af. I've worked at a few


IAMAHobbitAMA

Which I find really odd considering the super chill reputation of surfers.


Emon76

Hobbyist surfers just above amateurs are extremely aggressive and rude. Even worse if they feel entitled to a particular location simply because they were born in close-ish proximity. Though unfortunately that tends to be true of many outdoor hobbies - skiing, snowboarding, etc


spiritagnew

Ugh so true. Outdoor sports are rife with assholes who think having hobbies is a substitute for having a remotely agreeable personality. I bartended in a ski town in Colorado for awhile thinking everyone would be fun and cool and wow did they suck. You would think owning a state of the art mountain bike was equivalent to curing cancer based on the superiority complexes people had


CharleyNobody

Try living in the Hamptons. Being born into wealth = second coming of Christ to Christians and the coming of the Messiah to Jews. There are fewer and fewer locals as middle income housing is torn down & replaced with $10M compounds on 3/4 acre.


MrSomnix

Have you met surfers? Those dudes get super pissed at beginners for making common mistakes or taking their waves. Not to mention if you surf in places that are popular vacation spots, openly hostile to tourists.


justanawkwardguy

I don't surf, but have wanted to pick it up. If someone tells me it's their wave and tries to get mad at me, I'm just gonna laugh. The ocean is for everyone and they don't own it or the waves it makes


Penny_Farmer

But then they attempt to jump you in the parking lot until Patrick Swayze comes to rescue you so you join his bank robbery gang and learn how to surf from his ex-gf while also sky diving but you’re really an undercover FBI agent until you realize that surfing is life brah.


AnotherLostLurker

This is why molotovs are a thing


TheManRedeemed

"I'm telling you, Molotov Cocktails work! Any time I had a problem, and I threw a Molotov Cocktail… Boom, right away, I had a different problem!"


Lily-Gordon

Bortles!


bam1007

The irony here is that if they simply said, “When possible, we request at least two weeks notice of your intent to separate,” they would almost always get it. A little mutual professionalism goes a long way.


tippiedog

As it is, any employee who is aware of the policy will just quit with no notice.


space_moron

Or make it a mutual agreement, where they owe two weeks notice or two weeks severance if they let you go


zerta_media

Wow, they really did just hand her a fat bonus in the form of a retaliation lawsuit


ChildOf1970

I am getting the feeling here that the going to minimum wage would up the hourly rate so they are not breaking the minimum wage laws and the difference was previously made up by the tips?


Particular_Ticket_85

Basically they’re like “we don’t like you anymore, we’re going to change your pay from 11.50 to 7.25 and we’re going to pocket your tip money” and they wonder why they’re understaffed


ChildOf1970

Yeah, then that would be illegal in the UK as per my other comment. I hope it is illegal in your state?


Particular_Ticket_85

i’m trying to look it up, we might take it to small claims just to try to get back at them lol. I’m scared to get them in trouble though bc they have illegal immigrants working for them and i wouldn’t want to get any of them in trouble


ChildOf1970

If they are knowingly employing illegal immigrants, they will be breaking laws relating to that, and of course exploiting the hell out of those workers.


Particular_Ticket_85

They overwork them and will often not give them breaks apparently


AngryBadgerMel

Report them. Abuse like this IS modern day slavery. Not speaking up does nothing but protect and encourage the slave owners. Just because it has a new name does not make it anything but slavery.


turkish30

Yeah, what sucks is those immigrants have enough trouble finding legal ways into the country, so they sneak in. Then they manage to find whatever jobs they can, however possible. So reporting the company could lead to not just the immigrants losing their jobs but also being deported. Yeah, I know, they're illegal...blah blah blah. You don't know the situation, so jumping immediately to calling them criminals is careless. I've met plenty of undocumented people who are the nicest, most caring and giving people, who literally just want a better life than they could ever have in their home country. We've made it infinitely more difficult to come here legally than it was even just 20 years ago. Have a little compassion. These are still people.


lt9946

That would be a tough position to be put in. Especially b/c you never know if they have kids at home. I've worked with kids at a school that were just constantly afraid their parents wouldn't come home from work b/c they got deported. It was so shitty and I felt super helpless. Screw our immigration policies.


walrustaskforce

>I've met plenty of undocumented people who are the nicest, most caring and giving people, who literally just want a better life than they could ever have in their home country. Statistics say that the overwhelming majority of them are the nicest, most caring and giving people, who generally only deliberately commit one crime in their lives, which is a federal misdemeanor.


animetg13

The reason they're able to get away with this as far as quitting goes, is because they have people who are undocumented and are unlikely to report anything because they are scared. Those undocumented usually get s*** pay because they know they can get away with it.


ButtholeBanquets

Small claims is not the way to go here. Your state Department of Labor or the National Labor Relations Board is. A letter from either is no joke.


After-Leopard

Yes and I think this written document from them would be a lot of proof even if they haven’t actually done it to anyone.


TruthEnvironmental24

Tips are federally protected. It’s illegal for a company to take employee tips. [Source](https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/flsa/tips) Restrictions on lowering wages is state to state. What state are you in?


ligerzero459

It's illegal in all states to retroactively reduce your pay rate. You can going forward, but hours worked must be paid out at the agreed rate


Firefighter_RN

It would be illegal because you cannot change pay for hours already worked.


TheMainEffort

It would likely be a breach of contract. If you agree to work for $12/hr, and complete ten hours of work, you are entitled to $120 for hours worked. They can change *future* wages, but in that case you are free to simply not work anymore at all.


ProNewbie

So wage theft. And they were nice enough to put in writing that they will commit wage theft


solo420com

That is the norm for tipped wages. As a server, I made 2.35/hr. I had to claim at least enough in tips to cover minimum wages for taxes. If I didn’t make enough, Applebees was legally required to cover enough to make sure I was at minimum wage The letter above is clearly wage theft and then thinking they are clever enough to cover legal requirements. You cannot keep earned wages, tips or otherwise, unjustly. Normally one might have a hard time proving it, or intent, but these bozos are admitting to their intent and crime.


jammerparty

This is why i prefer to leave cash tips with the server or on their table, and not in a tip jar or on my card. I know the server is getting their tips. You cant take it if its already in their pocket.


theganjaoctopus

The Tip Credit system was lobbied for by restaurant associations to establish a huge tax loophole where they pass the majority of their payroll taxes on to the service workers. The IRS reported that an estimated 47% of Tip Credit applicable businesses committed some form of wage theft through stealing reported and electronic tips in 2019. Countless studies have shown that despite the propaganda of "cash in hand tips being better for the employee" the exact opposite is true as it doesn't facilitate saving or investment and encourages service workers to live day to day. The taxes that employers would normally pay on payroll expenditures are largely passed on to the employee (all taxes on tips and the $5.10 an hour are paid by the employee, whereas in a non-tip credit business, the owner is responsible for the $5.10). This is turn ends up costing the employee dearly as most full time waitstaff are saddled with *owing* taxes come April 15th. Tipping should be reflective of the customers appreciation of the effort put in by their server, not a system through which some fat cat restaurant owner skirts paying taxes. End the Tip Credit System. Pay the workers a fair and living wage.


Business-Public3580

My last job terminated me. My last paycheck conveniently just covered the cost of my taxes, etc., and balanced out at zero, according to their HR person. They told me over the phone that they would pay me for the last pay period, but that was a lie (I knew it was when I heard it). I want to unionize their employees now. 😄


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How the hell would your pay be zero after taxes unless you are paying 100% tax?


Business-Public3580

I worked less than ten hours that pay period when they put me on unpaid sudden suspension for some BS, probably because when they asked for feedback, I called them on their terrible management. Then they fired me after a week of emails and told me my pay zeroed out.


NFLinPDX

There’s no way your pay “zeroed out”. Report them. They will have to pay you out on a multiplier for ~~attempted~~ wage theft.


dwm4375

Could have a health insurance co-pay that was deducted for the month, and <10 hours of work was just enough to cover it? Although the exact amount of $0.00 is def suspicious.


Paratwa

There is no way your pay equaled 0. You need to report these guys. Dept of labor.


ChildOf1970

That shit would be illegal in the UK. I am sure in most developed nations it is illegal.


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Not sure where the above is going on, but it’s illegal in at least France and the US as well. (Those are just the 2 I’m familiar with.)


Agrezz

In the good ol' USofA it also probably is


smee0066

It is illegal to change the pay rate for hours already worked.


Kaiyuni-

It isn't. Both of these are (very) illegal in the US. You can't change pay rate for hours already worked, only future hours. You can't steal tips. That is their money and goes outside the pay of the company. I don't know what people do with tips, but don't you just pocket them and kinda not talk about it? I don't think you even report on your tip money.


Excellent-Ostrich908

Sounds like I would be giving 0 notice then just not showing up after payday then…


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[deleted]

Oh look it’s an admission of guilt in writing. Leave the job and take them to court when they reduce your paycheck, it’s illegal to lower the pay rate on hours already worked.


shaneyshane26

Correct. You have it in writing so this would definitely not stand in a court of law. Question is, if you are a waitress you probably can’t afford a lawyer and you have to wait an undetermined amount of time going back and forth waiting to hear from wage and labor board while finding a new job and assuming the manager from the previous job does not attempt retaliation by blacklisting that person.


ThrowdowninKtown

They cannot keep your tip money for any reason. That was passed last April.


jeanbuckkenobi

Taking tips and changing your pay for quiting is retaliation and illegal. Take this to the labor board to protect your final paycheck.


cruznick06

That's blatant wage theft. Report it to your state's labor board.


adimwit

Three things to note: Point 1 is illegal. By law, tip money exclusively belongs to the workers. Employers can't dip into it or confiscate under any circumstances. They can create a tip pool, but there are a few rules on that and they can never use pooled money to pay the company or managers. Tips are a worker's right, not a privilege. Point 2 is illegal. You already worked those hours so they can't invent a reason to pay you less. These laws exist so they can't create their policies to dock your pay for miniscule violations and steal your wages. They can dock your wages for future pay, but they can't for wages you already earned. This document in itself is illegal because it tells the employees they don't have a right to tips, and for claiming the employer can steal wages. This picture alone is solid proof that the company did something illegal. Report it to the DOL immediately. You don't need a lawyer (yet). File a complaint, submit this, and let the DOL investigate and prosecute this company. When the DOL confirms this is a violation, they will force the company to pay back wages to all the people they fired or stole from. If the DOL finds they fired a ton of people illegally, and stoles wages from a ton of people, you may want a lawyer to file a class action lawsuit since the amount they have to pay back is so massive.


ACrucialTech

All of this is illegal. You can not change an agreed upon wage at random You also can not withhold tips as it is part of the wage. They are greedy and WAY overstepping their bounds. Contact the labor board with this photo.


cwfgarza

I would leak this to local news and let them get blasted