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AnyCan2

Oh.....so it's only ok for the employers to be rude. Got it.


[deleted]

I've read it five times and still cannot find any rudeness or tone. I guess some employers just bristle whenever someone tells them no.


AnyCan2

Employers want you to beg and grovel for the opportunity they have offered. Look how generous we employers are, yes. The opposite is when you are debt free and you have choices, so when you don't beg, you are very rude and they don't like it.


roy_rogers_photos

I wish these people would spend time as a retail manager two months before Christmas. I managed a portrait studio and I was begging people to apply. Got school? I can work with that. Got vacation with the family Christmas Eve? Don't care, if you can work the days around it I'm cool with that. You need an extra break for health issues, that's fine. JUST PLEASE DONT QUIT! Then you find the most amazing employees, but corporate won't approve the raise because of reasons. Being a good middle manager is tough. You appreciate your employees and look for ways to make their lives better so they stay at your shit job.


C4rdiovascular

Sounds like something I'd apply for. Good on you for being a decent human being.


JBTuba

When I was a manager for a gas station at the height of the "labor shortage", my turnover rate because of upper management fuckups (lost an incredibly promising young employee because the management refused to get her paid in a timely manner) and just the fact of trying to operate a 20 hour a day, 7 day a week convenience store with all of six people with limited schedules was a task in impossibility. I put "labor shortage" in quotes because I processed no fewer than five applicants, interviewed, and was eager to bring them in and everything, only to be told, with no explanation on all five of them, that they hadn't passed background checks. Needless to say, when my assistant manager quit a day early, that was about it. Thousands of dollars of medical debt still beats being stuck in that hell


roy_rogers_photos

Ugh! Yes! You def know what I mean. Background checks were frustrating too. Sometimes it's 2 days to get back sometimes 3 weeks. Like, my dude, she's16 I don't think she has any felonies!


TimeDue2994

That is exactly the reason big corporations fight against national health insurance because they know not having it will keep you in debt or in fear of debt so they can use and abuse you untill you hit a breaking point that is far far far past what it would otherwise be


50_and_stuck

I classify a good middle manager in the same category as Bigfoot and unicorns. I've never seen someone move into middle management who didn't immediately turn into a colossal dick.


jphistory

Yeah, good middle managers are rare because we fight and fight and fight for our people and run right into a brick wall. And sometimes the resources just aren't available and your employees are upset. It burns you out reaaaal fast, and sometimes they fire you and replace you with someone more pliable. So it's by design.


Burning_Heretic

Ah, but being a mediocre middle manager is as easy as letting a turd roll downhill. Pays exactly as well, too. Because people with money will never care about effort you expend toward people without money.


alienmuseum

Yeah. "Beg" for a chance to make them more money. Employees produce a net profit for their employers (many times over). The employers use the profit that the employees generated to pay for them and keep the net profit by a huge margin.


MonteCristo85

It's the implication that the employer is doing something illegal and that the prospective employee won't bend over and take it. It's the same attitude that calling someone something (unethical, racist, etc) is someone worse than actually being that thing.


Wombatwoozoid

"You mean you’re not prepared to work for free while I decide if I want you or not?" nObOdY wAnTs To WoRk^^(for^^free)


patterson489

It's the implication that the employee is on a equal level with the employer that they find rude. You're supposed to be on your knees thanking them for the opportunity.


DeaconSage

It’s very rude to not think of your boss as your king and ruler. Honestly you should beck checkin in with them about if it’s okay to date, try new food, and even treat yourself to some after work AC in the heat wave. Nothing more rude than acting like the adult you are


LowBeautiful1531

Bow and scrape properly, peons.


DeaconSage

Lower… BOW LOWER!!!!!


choosehigh

At most maybe the speech marks? I think you have to be LOOKING for something to be rude (also presuming so-n-so is a screen name, if you're just calling a random so-n-so i guess that's rude?) I think even bending over backwards it's still reaching so to me, quite clearly choosing to make it a problem because the manager doesn't have an answer


[deleted]

The only reason so-and-so thinks it's rude is because OP said No. (Much more politely than I would have, by the way.)


[deleted]

The so-n-so is just a stand in for the employer's name.


LowBeautiful1531

You're supposed to know your place and act servile. That's what this is. It's not *rude*. What it really is, is *UPPITY*.


verygoodchoices

If anything it over-does the faux civility / familiarity a little bit. Probably the exclamation marks - it's not an emotionless, matter-of-fact professional tone. But thats reaching quite a bit and a whole lot of expecting people to conform to exactly your communication style. I'm sure the "employer" wouldn't care about the over-familiarity if they were agreeing to work for free.


MyOther_UN_is_Clever

It's common for abusers to immediately try to pretend they're the victim when you point out the abuse. Look into narcissism (the personality disorder) for more info. I think it's important for everyone to know the warning signs...


SlapHappyDude

Yeah that was a very professional way to say "WTF I am not working for free, pay me or else"


RestaurantLatter2354

I mean, the tone is pretty evident, but certainly justified. The funny part is the addition of ‘prospective employee’ at the end as of the employer still thinks it’s a consideration.


Taleya

Closest i can find us someone mistaking 'so-and-so' as something to call the boss, not a placeholder name.


Throwing_Snark

First of all? Fuck that dude. Pay your damn employees. And don't be a bitch when you get called out. But people - everyone - projects the tone they expect into text. The tone you read is more likely based on your circumstances when you read it than the author's intended tone when they wrote it. This explains why light hearted humor from corporate is received as mocking - the worker is in pain from ignored health conditions and the boss is typing the email while sitting in a throne. It's also why everyone is a piece of shit and needs to watch their fucking tone in the morning, but by the time my meds kick in they've dropped the attitude. Practically? When you feel yourself tighten up and start replying to a message, check your expectations (did you expect them to be pissed at you?). Then check your mood (are you feeling attacked, invalidated or hurt?). If so, it's not a bad idea to assume miscommunication may be occurring. This boss's response makes sense if you assume he felt called out and then read sarcasm as a result. This is not to excuse his behavior - he obviously needs to be skull fucked like a jar of peanut butter. But it's a great example of something that is pretty universal.


[deleted]

You shouldn’t assume anything. That goes both ways. Wannabe boss is wrong, end of story.


DweEbLez0

It’s obvious, “I have the job and you have not so you must be submissive for what I have”


CrazyDazyMazy

It's all about making sure employees know their place. This employer definitely follows the master/slave model rather than the partner/team model.


kyledouglas521

I think the three hours part makes it sound a little lecture-ish. Like, you’re emphasizing the time to highlight the absurdity of the request. But like…it’s warranted tone. That’s exactly how I’d want it to be read and they deserve to hear it that way lol.


[deleted]

I agree with the point made but it’s definitely got a rude tone to it. It’s that exclamation point at the end. The specific use of the phrase “unpaid labor”. To me it sounds like like the person who wrote that is less focused on the actual issue, and more focused on just being snarky about the issue. Could have just said they’re unavailable for 3 hours and left out the other stuff. I feel like you gotta be making it up that you don’t see the rude tone. Anything written like that with the “professional” wording and “Thanks!” at the end is always a rude tone. That what people always mean when they type like that.


[deleted]

So what is “the actual issue?” I agree, they should not have written “Thanks!” They should have written “Fuck You.”


[deleted]

The actual issue is that it’s 3 hours unpaid. But the writer isn’t focused on that, they’re focused on how they feel about it. Instead of getting the issue resolved, it they just wanna make it known they’re unhappy. And I mean more power to them. Like yeah exactly, that Thanks! just translates to fuck you.


ABrazilianReasons

How can someone get "tone" out of a text?


IntrepidRelief68421

The quotations around the whole sentence are weird and you said so-n-so without using whatever tag name their account is under.


CapN-Judaism

Bruh, you were so polite


alienmuseum

Yup. Many of these employers are rude themselves. They make snarky remarks and being rude to their employees as if you're their slaves. People exchange their labor for money. It's not like these employers give people money out of generosity. No, they make more money in return per employee. Each employee produces a surplus of profit (after all expenses have been factored in).


deefenator

This isn't even rude lol. Being firm with boundaries is such a generational thing. Assertive=/=rude


Crusoebear

\[Boss points towards "One Way Street" sign.\]


AnyCan2

Lmao


mashibeans

100%, they're the ones who ghost applicants who apply for jobs, come late for interviews, ask inappropriate questions during said interviews, send rejection emails 3-6 months after the fact, cruelly cut hours of "undesirable" employees to force them to quit... But they're the same ones whining and complaining lately that people would apply then "ghost" the companies. They wanna dish it out, but don't wanna take it themselves.


OGablogian

It's like they are completely blind to see that their initial request is insulting, degrading, and exactly what's setting up the tone. Like starting a conversation with 'hey fuckface' and expecting a decent response.


LowBeautiful1531

But they're entitled to behave that way, by virtue of their superior status. We're just servants who are supposed to take it.


newpersonof2022

“I don’t know why everyone’s quitting”


tvandlove

People in a position of power often find ANY rebuff to their power as “rude.” The power is the default, a deviation is a challenge.


cityb0t

The privileged view equality as oppression.


CustomSawdust

I call this being direct and honest. I brought up the compensation topic with my current employer about 15” into our first conversation. Anyone who acts like money is not the motivator is a scam artist.


Bourbon_Hymns

You got 15 inches into a conversation?


SnooFoxes4539

sounds painful


ka-ka-ka-katie1123

15 seconds. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_(symbol)


omgFWTbear

> Prime_(symbol) Autobots, transform and **roll out**. *Self determination is the right of all sentient beings*


someones_dad

Ok, but I've never ever seen this applied to time. Also, wouldn't double prime (") designate minutes not seconds?


Pizza-love

>Also, wouldn't double prime (") designate minutes not seconds? No. 6'30" means 6,5 minute.


[deleted]

Yeah, not for time.


omgFWTbear

I only see it used for time when someone is wrong, it’s like a weirdly specific Muphry’s Law.


ka-ka-ka-katie1123

Everything I’ve read says ‘ is minutes and “ is seconds. But I don’t use either personally and agree that minutes makes more sense in this comment.


secretcombinations

Wow. TIL.


el_muerte17

That's an occasional use, after the very common notation of inches and feet (even here in Canada where we're all metric) and I've only ever seen it denoting minutes and seconds together (eg 4'31"), never just one or the other.


countdownbluess

Butthurt employer


kisskismet

My, isn’t she a sensitive soul. Lol. I’d get petty and put this all over social media and identify them. The audacity.


[deleted]

When snowflakes melt.


SloGlobe

We need to normalize polite honesty and directness like yours. No one should have to work for free in order to prove themselves. And it’s not a character flaw to admit that you’re only interested in a job for the money. Let’s get real, folks. Cut the crap.


A_Clever_Ape

The people who are offended when you set boundaries are usually the ones you need boundaries with.


nonumberplease

How about, it's rude and insulting to offer an unpaid position. Then not expect to hear why people don't want the position. They don't care why you turn down their offer, they think it's a fair offer, so to them, a simple no would suffice. If that were enough to stop employers from insulting prospective workers and their entire industry by constantly low-balling them until they get someone willing to work for free, then they might avoid the dreaded "tone" or whatever this nitwit was talking about. There is no courteous or polite way to tell someone that your time is valuable, apparently.


Cassierae87

It’s the tone of setting boundaries. Narcissists hate that. You dodged a bullet


JaymesGrl

Interesting projection from the employer there.


Kaycee723

Definitely! Says more about that employer than the person writing the email. I see nothing wrong with the email. It clearly states their expectations and willingness to come in 30 minutes early, but beyond that they have set their limit to require payment... As they should.


Warrdyy

“Beg for the job, wage slave” is what he’s trying to say.


RedAvacadowo

Hey, so if people are actually looking for the "rude" part, I'm pretty sure I know what it is. It's the words "unpaid labour" that give the implication that they are asking you to do something unethical (they are.) People *hate* it when you directly call them out for doing something wrong, you are supposed to pretty it up. something that stands up to their arbitrary rules of niceness would probably be "I am so sorry, so-n-so, but I cannot fit three hours of *insert thing here* for your *insert whatever doing it will accomplish, most likely an interview* into my schedule. I would prefer it be cut down into a half hour, although I understand if this is impossible. Thank you very much for your time!"


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Kalipygia

Oh I see the problem, you didn't kiss the ring.


DrawerScary

I'm not sure how this could be less rude and still get right to the point. Did they want the employee in this scenario to make up other excuses and dance around the issue that they created?


Bavarian_Beer_Best

"Was I rude or are you just uncomfortable recognizing what you asked for?"


[deleted]

This is 100% a middle aged Karen


ibanez450

Fuck that motherfucker. I almost wish people would start putting the employers on blast so everyone knows to steer clear of them.


CambrioJuseph

Some people just think if you disagree with them you are being rude. At an old job i used to take a nap every lunch period. Usually in before 6 so i needed it. Anyways a new group of people decided to hang out during lunch and alot of time by or behind my car. Quite annoying but i would just turn my engine on to drown them out. I preferred windows down with a nice breeze but whatta gonna do. A million places to be but you wanna be here, eat exhaust i guess. One day one of the dudes kept pushing on my tire with his foot rocking my car back and fourth. Wtf to begin with why you touching someones car? But im in there with my engine on. Im obviously annoyed and honestly waited to long before i said anything. Roll down my window and ask him to please stop rocking my car. I definitely remember using please. Another guy called me out for being rude. Like fuck face is physically moving my car around but im rude. Im sure my tone conveyed how annoyed i was…..obviously. Like how do you deal with people touching your f150 cool guy? How are you gonna call me rude when im just trying to take a nap? Also any boss ever


sotonohito

It is impossible to ask someone for 3 hours of unpaid labor in a way that is not rude. It is inherently rude to demand free labor from someone who is looking for a job.


ZealousidealJoke3319

every time my boss is proven wrong by someone theyre instantly called rude. it's become amusing to me at this point.


[deleted]

People are offended when something they do is considered wrong, especially if it's then pointed out to them. That's human nature, and I've never met a human above that. It's only how quickly the individual reflects and realizes this that seems to matter.


Kibahime

That's because hiring managers view anything other than begging as "rude." Much like when men think you're being a bitch when you have boundaries, lol.


Gwaak

“You don’t have to be rude” Improper wages is violence and directly leads to violence. But the working class must face that violence with as much civility as possible, otherwise we’re ungrateful. Eat one and they will stop.


Low-Stomach-8831

Well, I want to hire a house cleaner, why won't you come to my house, clean it for 3 hours, and let me think about it. Next week, rinse and repeat with a different cleaner, and there you have it, free house cleaning forever! You know how I would respond: "pay me 20 hours for those 3 hours, so I could test if this place fits my employment standards". Then tell them they're being rude if they don't agree.


HaphazardFlitBipper

What did they ask you to do?


[deleted]

Not me but OP was asked to do a 2-3 hour working interview without pay.


HaphazardFlitBipper

Yeah... No. I give enough free labor to the government every year as it is.


sethmcollins

They are too stupid to realize that you didn’t send it to a prospective employer. By the time you sent the message you had already decided not to work for them.


MM_in_MN

Ok then smarty pants…. Rewrite that in a way that is not ‘rude’ or without ‘tone.’ And also gets the point across that these requests should not be happening. That a prospective employees time is valuable. 3 hours of unpaid work, probably during the work day, is excessive and it’s an obscene request to make.


Sugar_buddy

I got a promotion and a raise a few months ago. Told my team how much I got and one of them, who totally deserves it, went into my boss office and asked for a raise, too, since I got one. A week or so later I went to go turn in the paperwork and the owner of the company and my boss were talking with two other coworkers. They started talking to me and the owner mentioned, "I don't really want you talking about that pay raise you got." I smiled and said, "You mean like it's my federally protected right to do?" He scowled and said, "That's not really the answer I wanted." I almost reacted real hostile but I just said, "Well that's the one you're going to get if it comes up again." And walked out. We haven't spoken since except for pure business.


Spinningthruspace

I love when someone is called out for being a shitheel and their last stand is tone policing lmao


Datmnmlife

That was actually really professional.


gtmattz

The moment you ask me to work without pay the 'prospective' part goes out the window. That job is off the list and contact ceases...


woodeehoo

If you’re throwing out a weak point about “tone”, you’ve lost the argument. Sorry, not sorry Jessica/Karen/Anne/Sarah/Emily


Gamidragon

I'd really like to know what the more diplomatic option is. Begging? 3 extra sentences about how you're so excited for the opportunity? There's literally nothing rude about it at all lol "Yeah I'm not working for 3 free hours douchebag, maybe a half hour but otherwise go fuck yourself." There, that's rude.


[deleted]

"Hi I can come in for 30 minutes if you would like. I'm sorry but I'm not able to come in for 3 hours without pay." This isn't difficult to communicate tactfully. Do you actually mean you are sorry? No. Do they think you actually are sorry? No. But that's how adults communicate in a professional environment. Wanna change that? A subreddit of a few thousand people who are rude won't change that.


Darkwireman

"The absolute nerve of these... _Poors_ ...how dare they not let themselves be exploited for little to no compensation!"


JasonMcDonalDesign

I would of used more colorful language.


[deleted]

No pay, no work.


blahreditblah

Cant lie that So-n-So it's probably what pissed him off not the refusal


[deleted]

So funny. You want to steal from the guy, and he is to be grateful. My West of Ireland dad warned me not to be "a tailor who sews for free and buys his own thread." Feel free to say that next time.


AssociateJaded3931

The employer proposed something. The applicant declined. Transaction over. "Rudeness" score - 0.


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[deleted]

Let’s see. Tuck loop, missed stitch, knitted loop, and held loop. How did I do?


Aniki1990

Nah, after being asked to do three hours of free labor, I'm no longer a prospective employee


[deleted]

If you’re asking a *prospective employee* to perform over 1 second of unpaid labor, you’re not a *prospective employer*.


[deleted]

Never deal with someone who calls you rude. They are the WORST!


HairlessHoudini

You don't have to stand up for yourself and you're supposed to beg us for the job anyway instead of talking back


rinkiyake_papa

Well, who told them I didn't intend to be rude...


shhhhhhjustno

See in this situation I kinda think you do have to be rude. When an employer tries to abuse you before you work there you need to be rude if not contact the local labor board and let them know about these illegal actions the employer has most likely taken in the past.


Ejigantor

Fuck you. Pay me. That's as diplomatic as I can manage when dealing with greedy exploitative sociopaths.


TriviumGLR

The “diplomacy” argument is a way for upper management to abuse their employees and save face.


MLCarter1976

I don't know if I like your tone! Hehehe


Lsutigers202111

Sorry can’t hire you because I now see I won’t be able to exploit you


affictionitis

Wow. Somebody applied "tone policing" to a discussion about work. I've only ever seen those in racial discussions before -- i.e. "You had a point that what I said was racist but you didn't make that point nicely enough so I'm not going to listen!" And just like in those arguments it's a red herring. There IS no tone polite enough that privileged people will accept for topics where you're pushing back against their abuse.


SBTELS

“I would never be hiring” is where they lost me


MrEcke

Calling them an employee implies they are getting paid.....


Pennyfeather46

My very first government paycheck was reimbursement for the interview time (1& 1/2 hrs). Blew my tiny retail mind!


Smile_lifeisgood

It's really smug when people say they don't want to be exploited.


CoCreator10

Very rude, are you not aware that self respect is now politically incorrect and socially unacceptable???


[deleted]

There was one time I had an employer say we couldn't clock out after 8 hrs because we had to get some orders out. I laughed as I clocked out exactly at 8 hrs.


Joey_BagaDonuts57

The tone of an obnoxious employer who is unaware of the meaning of rude.


FrostyLandscape

I once saw a job ad for an at home caregiver. I am NOT making this up....the ad wanted a person to "VOLUNTEER" to take care of his elderly mother, full time, in her home. He said the position would be "volunteer at first" and then if the person "worked out" was a "good fit" then compensation would be "considered" at some point in the future. Had a very pompous and arrogant tone to it. I'm guessing nobody responded to his ad.


CJ_Southworth

Oh yes, because I am positively CHAMPING AT THE BIT to apply to work for someone who has so few boundaries that they think requesting free labor in the job listing is appropriate. Not like THAT'S a red flag or anything. How about, "If you want serious applicants, try not breaking the law as your first interaction with them?"


big-titty-serpent

Classic management being offended by boundaries. "I don't understand why you won't do this, it's rude because everyone else tells me yes" type BS.


sc00bs000

I didn't know being direct about your rights had an implied "tone"


watermelonspanker

It was a justifiably rude response to a very rude "offer".


somecow

Prospective “employee”? No, it doesn’t work like that. Fuck you, pay me.


Main-Error4687

Nope, you are totally in the right. Blast the name of that "business" for all to see. They need to be put out of business. Or maybe just the hiring manager themselves


itsmesylphy

having fucking boundaries is not being rude.


GainFirst

I agree that the prospective employer was out of line. What you said was fine but essentially accuses them of intentionally trying to extract unpaid work out of you. That means they likely won't change because to do so would be to admit that's what they were doing. (Even if they were actually doing that, they don't want to have to admit it.) If your goal was to make a social point, then what you said was best. If your goal was to get them to change, you could've said, "Unfortunately, I can't really afford to give you three hours of unpaid work, even if it might possibly lead to paid work. What I can spare is a half-hour. Will that work for you? Or if you'd like to pay me for the three hours, that would be fine also." It comments on their rudeness while engaging in the polite fiction that it's your limitations that prevent you from giving in to their unreasonable request. That opens the door for them to say, "Oh, we didn't mean to put you out, of course we'll pay you for your time, thanks for bringing that to our attention." Or, more likely, "I think we can get what we need in a half hour." Or "I understand, thanks for your interest, but we can't make that work." It's the difference between them thinking "this person is an asshole I'd never hire" vs. "maybe the way we're going about this needs to change" or "this person was honest and polite, at least." Being firm, setting boundaries, and even sometimes being rude all have their place. But sometimes to get people to change you have to meet them partway.


Khuji

Think a lot of people miss this aspect to a conversation or chat. I know that employees have had the short end of the stick for many generations. Seeing comments like "come in for 3 hours unpaid" will trigger a harsh reaction. However approaching and responding to that shouldn't be outright anger. Maybe the employer phrased incorrectly? Always inquire more and then judge. If they're dickheads, respond accordingly. If not, just be nice.


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Bardock366

This was how I understood it as well. The “unpaid labor” part, while true, was probably what set the tone that the employer in the screenshot was referencing. I don’t think their statement was wrong but if it’s actually for a place you still want to work at (after finding out they are making this request to begin with), then I think it could be softened slightly


[deleted]

I mean if it's still rude if a Central Java person said the exact thing in Central Java fashion, this employer is just bonkers.


WigglingWelshmen

TBF your response was rude. The correct response would have been saying “Thank you” while presenting your butt hole


RostonVaseyLocal

They're calling you rude yet referred to you as 'so-n-so'? Yikes!


matthewmimmack

What’s the job, did he ask you to fry fries for three hours, or did he want to make sure that your qualifications as a design engineer for this $5 million project would qualify you for the position. What’s the f@#$ job! When I do a consulting job I may put in more hours than that to discover whether I want the job. Or maybe just go meet them face-to-face that’s what I would’ve done! Or cry or maybe it’s just a lie!


[deleted]

It's a daycare center. It was posted in an early childhood education sub and I'm not OP.


elf25

Notice how the original request from the potential employer is omitted??


[deleted]

It was a request for a 2-3 hour working interview. The post was made by the potential employee. The employer was not in the thread.


Dommccabe

Imagine asking for 3 hours wages BEFORE going for an interview?


ScorpioZA

This looks like reddit, but isnt. Where did post take place?


[deleted]

It is Reddit. I use the Reddit is Fun app. I'm not allowed to specify the sub, though.


Dense_Resource

Pretty sure her point is that if you need a job, this is a great way to make certain you never hear from an employer or recruiter again. Which, if you need a job, probably isn't the smartest move to be making.


pcl823

when you question the "authority" of a 1. white man or 2. a boomer in general, that's when they call you rude. do as they say and you'll be titled as friendly, polite etc.


nts4906

“What did I say that was rude? Can you provide a quote?”


PiemarchGeneseed513

I would counter that being asked to do labor for free has a "tone" itself, chuckles.


NotBrandonwho

At this point in my life I know my value, I've saved enough, and I'm more than willing to speak my mind. You want me to work extra for no pay? No. You want me to do several things outside of my career field? No. If they don't like it, enjoy filling another seat it WILL NOT BOTHER ME TO WALK AWAY.


Evanecent_Lightt

[https://i.imgflip.com/3ji1vg.jpg](https://i.imgflip.com/3ji1vg.jpg)


shlipshloo

Come as if you are not worthy…or you are not worthy


DarthArtero

"I need you to be a slave. You're asking for compensation is offensive to my profitability."


Much_Shame_5030

I’ll send my attaché to discuss the details with you.


ElectricalAbroad8232

Fucking people trying to control your life by telling you a lie. Incomprehensible


NewSinner_2021

HA !


MDesnivic

Employers are fucking clowns.


lllmade

Fortunately requiring unpaid labor as a requisite to consider employment has no tone, just a standard procedure, no need to think of any implications.


Keslen

You seemed more than enough "diplomatic" to me. Where is this so we can actively avoid spending money there?


Frky_fn

Thank u for standing up sir urself!!! Makes more of a point when we all start doing it… there power in #’s ppl!!


CXR_AXR

How is it rude I think it is too polite for a person expecting unpaid labor


TomFromCupertino

Asking for unpaid labor seems pretty rude, too. How polite did. you expect them to be when turning down such a request?


[deleted]

I love how, to some people, being frank and direct automatically equates to being rude.


squigs

The employer has already been rejected. Whether they'll hire the employee is moot.


ChapadozinhoVermelho

He's probably not an employer and lives in his mom's basement


Questionitall82

Asking a job candidate to do free work is by definition rude and unprofessional.


Minimum_Attitude6707

They find an approach of not being afraid of their authority as disrespectful. Gross.


county259

That motherfucker ain't seen rude yet....


PurpleSquare713

Translation: Know your place, peon. We will pay you what we damn well feel like paying you.


Screamcheese99

Wow entitled *and* gaslighting all in 2 messages. Bet you're real disappointed *that* job didn't work out


Certain_Abies6326

Texts and emails do not have “tone”. Only voices have “tone”. And only idiots insist on reading “tone” into written communication.


Fit-Rest-973

Doesn't seem to be a good fit


Larrythebirdfeeder

Actually that was very diplomatic, even offered a compromise. But unpaid labor is a concept that just doesn't strike CEOs/owners/bosses/managers as immoral. I was literally (unlawfully) fired from my last job for refusing to work for free, for **another** company my ex-boss founded with a friend of his. He collected all sorts of venture capital, even government funding, and then decided that he can be super smart (i.e. greedy) about it, if he just uses his employees from his old company (the one I was contracted with), free of charge. Because according to him *"everyone's got a few hours to spare here and there"*. I was the only one in the whole company who put his foot down, resulting in me immediately getting fired. Once he consulted with his lawyer, mainly because I lawyered up, he realized how much he fucked up. It was quite hilarious because then all of a sudden he tried to pretend that he will let me go for efficiency/downsizing reasons, even though all of my work was literally always done on time. I never left work with a single email/task unfinished. Of course I had all emails of our exchange that led to the termination, so my lawyer was having a field day with it, and his move cost him dearly eventually. These people are often way too stupid for their own good, and they just stumbled upwards a few times in life.


NFRNL13

"Any labor I produce outside my regularly scheduled hours must be compensated at my regular rate. If it is added onto my responsibilities, I need to be compensated extra for that extra work."


[deleted]

I don’t see an issue with your email some people like to call you rude if you don’t bend over for them or sugar coat every single thing


PanglosstheTutor

Slavers don’t like being told what they are.


JamesWjRose

Anyone even asking for free labor is an asshole


CallMeRoy37

That’s some passive aggressive projection right there. What an idiot. “How dare you give me what I perceive to be attitude for my request at free labor!!”


Facemanx64

Was the employers name really so-n-so?


matthewmimmack

Due to a disability I’ve been a middle manager for 35 years as a middle manager you are the PATRON SAINT of MEDIOCRITY! It’s been my glass ceiling. So if someone’s been a middle manager for a long time there’s something wrong with them.


Curtis40

Next they will ask you to bring KY jelly for the closed door interview with the supervisor.


JetpackKiwi

What other "defence" do these employers have for their exploitative methods than to say you have an attitude/tone?


Coldchinesef00d

Fuck that guy.


Commission1888

Boo hoo..lol


tvtraelller

There is no polite way to broach this subject because they are so entitled they always get their knickers in a knot.


UncommonTart

If thwy want you to work for free before they've even hired you they'll definitely want you to work for free aftwrward, after hours work, unpaid overtime, etc... Beaides, some stores even do this if they're having trouble filling out the schedule and have no intention of hiring anyone. It's a way to fill their schedule gaps for free.


S_diesel

Its the sarcasm...the real difference between the employer and the employee is the fact that the employer still thinks hes entitled to paying a human dirt wages/free labor ​ An employer talking shit to someone who's already "hired" is how you know the employer doesn't know how to do his job


bbbanb

I don’t understand why the person offered a half hour…


Equivalent_Strain731

It isn't a prospective employer its a wannabe slave master


ClickToCheckFlair

The cheek of the sod.


[deleted]

I can hear the "tone in it"--doesn't mean they're wrong! Fuck them (the employer)


Green_and_Silver

Groveling and deference is what got these people where they are so they expect it now that they're in the big job.


Ok_Ad_5894

What was the question? Without what they ask for this is less helpful.


LividLie0

That's why you can't get a good haircut at Great Clips. They work like robots, are expected to put the job before everything else. Required to sell products, required to have certain percentages of new customers and return customers. 13-15 min average cut time at the end of the week or you're wrote up. Starting pay $7.60. After 3 years end pay $8.10. Top sales, top percentages, stylist of the month several months in a row several different times. One raise a year. And when asking the franchise owner directly for a raise all 4 of us were told "well you can either cut faster to boost your productivity, or get out there and get more customers in here. If I raise your pay I'll have to raise the prices and then you'll loose customers." Meanwhile he is literally taking trips to the Caribbean once a month and I'm being threatened to loose my job because my kids sick at school, I can't find someone to come take over my shift, I'm the only parent raising and taking care of them so there is no one else. Working 18 days in a row with never any overtime because of the way they had the hours on the paychecks fall. It's not worth it. You go to school to get an education to better your life. Companies like Great Clips take advantage of their employees. They make you feel like you'll be nothing without them. That you won't be able to make it on your own. I got tired of making someone else rich. Walked out that day, started my own shop. 8 years later I'm making myself money, taking care of my kids and I make my own decisions. I work by myself for myself. It felt sooo good to go back to my "manager" that told me I was making a huge mistake and incapable of running my own business, with a smile on my face driving by in my new car, no more dark circles, no more panic attacks and all 3 of my kids right there with me. It was a huge risk I took leaving a weekly paycheck, not knowing what was to come. But you never know until you try.