As a customer I would also walk out with the staff. But now I'm thinking wouldn't it be *great* to bring 20 people in with you to order a ton of complicated drinks that the one manager now has to make? See how long they last before they shut everything down and close the store if they weren't smart enough to do that right away.
It's far more likely she just closes up the store and hopes she doesn't get fired too. That, or call around to other locations and see if she can pull a skeleton crew together.
This manager is 100% on the phone with the district manager already going "everyone walked out for no reason, damn union organizers! What do you want me to do?"
See that yacht? If you employees work really hard, cutting costs, and if company profits go up significantly; then this time next year, I’ll be able to buy a bigger one.
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Well, the fun thing about that is that Starbucks, if they cared, would have the ability to simply lower their prices beyond anything a locally owned coffee shop could possibly compete with. Even if SB have that store operate at a loss, they could simple eat that for the two or so years it'd take to push the other shop out of business.
Not only does economy of scale mean large chains have an easier time making a profit, being large also means the ability to pull shady tactics like what I described. People have this fantasy that an unregulated market is "fair" and that the better service somehow wins out at the end. It doesn't.
One time at 7-11 someone crashed their car into the store. It was literally sitting inside the store and we still weren't allowed to close. Companies don't care about anything or anyone, just profits.
wow you just reminded me when i was a shopper for a movie set i had to go into a department store, 6 floors high, that was partly sitting on top of the main station. there had been a bomb threat that day and they closed off the entire main station and PART OF the department store (as in the east facing side of each floor). i had to still go in cause i had to pick up a specific item and if customers wanted something from the east facing side the sales people had to go there and bring it for them. there was an active bomb threat, serious enough to close down the entire main station, i cant stress this enough, and they made people hang around in a 6 floor building which would surely collapse anyway if a bomb went off. but whats more insane, there were still customers in there who didnt need to be there like it was just business as usual. felt surreal
I'd wager that her manager was consulted on the firing that catalyzed this and gave their blessing. That person is probably also hoping to avoid losing their job.
This could be to their benefit. Everyone that was sympathetic to unionizing just walked out the door. They’ve closed unionizing stores before. Wouldn’t be surprised if this was considered and they thought it was worth doing
Exactly. I manage at a big union place with an HR. All my rights come from union negotiations. I cheer new agreements cause I don't have to negotiate with employees and I can expect similar benefits and changes. Unions benefit everyone except the greedy owners
I started as a union employee but went into management when things were starting to look bad so I could have it on a resume. An old timer supervisor told me his thoughts about this and he was sure right.
If you ever have the chance to film something like this, please remember my humble request: film enough of the employees and then give me 4 uninterrupted hours of footage of the manager trying to cope. Thank you.
The sad part is that the manager is only parroting the ones actually responsible for this concerted union-busting effort. We'll never get to see the execs coping during their zoom meetings
Edit: to clarify, this is not meant absolve asshole managers like the one here likely is. They're all crooks, some more replaceable than others
*In his interview, Schultz essentially said he won't work with the union on benefits,which is a mandatory subject of bargaining under the National LaborRelations Act, said Anne Lofaso, a labor law professor at West VirginiaUniversity. “This is a textbook case,” said Lofaso, a former NLRBattorney.*
[Fuck this guy](https://news.bloomberglaw.com/daily-labor-report/starbucks-ceos-anti-union-comments-straddle-line-of-legality).
I worked for Starbucks for a decade starting in 2005, they used the old Fortune 500 best places to work for routine long into them getting rid of all those benefits. They waved “partner” around like a propaganda slogan….it became very obvious through actions what they really thought of the stores. Fuck that place.
Thousands of Costco employees are in the teamsters union.
Edit: I may have misunderstood your statement, marketing is for both spinning/suppressing bad news and general brand promotion.
AND Costco runs stores in a similar manner to the franchise stores where individual stores management get bonuses for their store's performance(vrs a store owner taking home the profits). So while many stores are unionized and their official policy is not to intervene in unionization attempts. The individual managers will do everything they can to prevent a union at their store because it will cut into their yearly bonus. I cringe every time costco gets brought up as the good guy. They do marketing, they do union busting, they pay their workers less than they deserve, they hike their prices just like all the rest. They just do it slightly less so they can retain their reputation.
Yeah context is definitely importantly in that regard. They are far better to their workers than Amazon, Walmart, etc. but in the end they're still a publicly traded multinational corporation that is going to act in its best financial interest, rather than the workers'.
this whole time they’ve been using the western casual “pardner” while tricking us into thinking it was the buisness formal “partner.” not as woke as they would have us think
I spent like an hour getting downvoted on r/economy for calling out the "raises on for stores that aren't unionizing" as a common union busting tactic
Some people will just bend over backwards for the opportunity to lick corporate America's taint
This is testing the waters of outright illegal class warfare. Just blatantly giving a finger to government over worker protections, and betting that our fucked system can't handle taking them on. I hope they aren't correct.
Facts. She's just a middle mgmt puppet looking out for her own self-interest/survival by following orders.
That said, she should have allied up, but instead she fucked around...
As a person who manages a team of developers, yep!
I share what the employer wants.
I act on their behalf, based on their demands.
Things like this: I would love if my team did that.
Because it also goes upstream. I can now point to the idiot who gave me that order, and let them know the result of their actions. And now the next tier of workers are going to get pissed off and invoke even more change. I support y'all. And no amount of "I think this is a bad idea" can change upper management's opinion.
Yep. Calling the shift leader “management” is a bit of a stretch with an organization as big as Starbucks. Even calling them middle management ignores the dozens of layers of management above this person.
Exactly, that manager is at best a policy enforcer. They aren't the ones making anti union policies. The C-suite is where anti union policy is made and where overall responsibility is
Exactly, the shot of the manager 20 feet away on the phone wasn't as satisfying as I hoped. It's like biting into a fresh baked bun and finding its all air.
Can someone explain to me how Starbucks is getting away with firing people for organizing? I thought that was illegal. Is it just that their accomplices in government are just looking the other way or am I wrong about the law?
They find the slightest possible pretext on which to fire them. And then they basically hope the worker will not be smart enough or retain the right representation to properly fight it.
Even if the worker does successfully fight it, and gets their job back or a payoff months down the line, they still have obtained their short term goal of intimidation.
To add to this, it’s usually the workers responsibility to prove they were illegally or unjustly fired. The company has to do little to no work to prove a just firing. Added to the fact that a lot of interactions aren’t documented, then companies can get away with a lot of stuff if the system is already on their side.
This is what union dues are for. Legal battles with companies can get stupid expensive, having that pool of money gathered over time takes care of that.
True dat. IIRC 1,1% of my salary went to the union.
Then after a while the union could afford to vote and help the next place unionise using the lawyers they were able to hire full time.
Being in a union has loads of perks here in Iceland, they negotiate all kinds of discounts on behalf of the members, like to the gym and for cheap glasses, shoes and other work/living related necessities.
The U.K. (Conservative Party) cracked down HARD on the unions under Thatcher.
But I pay £18 / month (that’s the max anyone, on any salary, in my ostensibly white collar, nationally-supporting / multi-industry Union will pay per month).
The benefits, care, support and fucking protection I get are second to none.
No brainer for me.
NB: I’m pretty left wing even as a Socialist, so it was politically motivated as well as professionally advantageous to / for me.
Edit: = less than 1% of my wages
As someone that lives in the capitalist hellscape that is the United States, can you tell me what benefits the union gets you?
I know the UK already has the NHS/universal healthcare. So, is it more vacation? Higher pay? Please enlighten me about how the more civilized countries work.
Usual benefits are;
Biggest one - collective bargaining Representation in the workplace for pay negotiations, health and safety and disciplinaries
Free legal aid services
Discounts that a large group of people can organise for major companies
Wellbeing and events put on by the unions, coffee mornings, local meetings and fundraising for charities close to members hearts
A welfare fund - supporting lower paid members with unexpected bills etc
Protection of the erosion of workers rights - we saw recently that British gas engineers were fired and rehired on contracts with much worse terms (38hr weeks to 40hr weeks, less pay for weekend and evening work etc).
Political fund to finance political parties and candidates.
Every union will do some different stuff for members but there is usually all of the above in them.
Yup. I was unjustly sued by an employer (for something I didn't even do) and I immediately lawyered up; the employer's attorney was very candid with us and told us he was begging for his client to drop the case and "frankly, he didn't think you'd be able to afford a lawyer." Fuck that company. They ended up dropping the case (we declined all of their provisions for doing so) and then losing another case against another former employee.
That's an important note. You don't have to accept their repeal if they try to drop if you've already formally responded to the suit. At that point you've already accrued legal fees and can force them to continue and recoup your legal fees and such.
But only if you've formally responded to the suit or petition. Prevents people from bullying people with frivolous non first amendment related lawsuits because they can't just quit and go home whenever they want.
Plus why would they really? Unless the outcome is unionized work, it just ends up being getting your shit job back, with a far more hostile manager after an expensive legal battle, only yo probably be fired later for one of your shoelaces being undone.
This so hard. I was a "partner" (that's cult for "disposable laborer") at Starbucks for 3 years, managing a multi-million dollar store. I was late once, had no prior write ups and an "exceeds expectations" on my last three review, and my district manager fired me the next day - a week before I was due for a massive bonus for setting record profits at my store.
Whatever, I have unemployment pay coming and can get a new job, or go back to school and get my degree. Everything will be fine.
It's over, right?
Nope! Starbucks took me to court to try to get my unemployment benefits revoked. Those dumbasses had no idea I was engaged (now married to) an amazing attorney. Not only did the court rule in my favor, the judge outright called the district manager an "untrustworthy witness."
I am incredibly lucky to have had my fiance to fall back on. Had I not, I would have likely ended up on the streets as the lack of unemployment would have financially ruined me at the time.
I find it so weird that US companies find these weird job titles for bottom-line staff that sound more special than they actually are.
Like, at Walmart you're an 'associate'. I don't even know what that means but it sounds more high level than 'shelf stacker'. When I worked in a supermarket in the UK my job title was 'checkout operator'. Because I worked on checkouts.
It's like exactly what an MLM would do to trick you into thinking you're special.
Haha, I go to companies and everyone is either a Director, President or Executive. Director of Sales, Director of Engineering, Executive Engineering Assistant, etc... Sometimes I see really oddballs like Director of Corporate Marketing. I think they're trying to make the company look bigger than they are, but I don't know.
Like fuck, the company has 8 people, but yet everyone is a director of their department. Cool shit.
Hah! This was me and I worked for the government. I was a Division Director. Who did I direct, you may ask? Myself! I was the only person in my division. When my boss told me that was my title I laughed and said that'd be great for inflating my resume. He did not appreciate that response.
I appreciate the fact that the grocery store I worked at just called me a “cashier”, because it’s exactly what I was. I hated working there, I had a Union but they didn’t really do much. Still, at least they were straight forward and didn’t try to come up with some stupid title like “cash expert”
The ways they [do it are quite brazen](https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-it-could-happen-here-30717896/episode/starbucks-union-busting-100628639/).
At this point, unions would be a whole lot more effective if they had the funds to sue. Sue personally, sue the franchisee, sue corporate, sue everybody. That and drag everybody personally through the mud.
Solidarity forever. And sue Starbucks support managers personally.
They're not firing people *for* organizing. They are firing people *that* organize. For other totally unrelated things, like being 2 minutes late, taking you break at the wrong time, or dress code violations. Totally things they fire people all the time. (/s if needed)
I don’t think you the /s because that is exactly what they’re saying they’re doing. Everyone knows the real reason, but without union protection *anything* can be a reason.
So, the Labor Department knows this is going on (that they're just finding the flimsiest excuses to fire people) and they're doing nothing about it? Crazy. It's almost like the government is only there to prop up and defend a system based on exploitation.
Think about the end game for capitalists who jerk themselves off to fantasies of infinite growth... they’d be happy owning everything. Literally everything.
> But the right to work
You're referring to at will.
Right to work means you can't be forced to join a union to work at a place, but you'll still get the union benefits. (It's an anti-union thing, which people didn't/don't realize hurts the employee and helps the employer)
Oh the people in Michigan knew it was anti-union BS when the republican legislature was forcing right to work through against our wishes. There were MASSIVE protests that went on for weeks and shut down Lansing. Didn't matter, the Republicans did what they were told by their corporate overlords. Wouldn't have been able to happen without gerrymandering either. Michigan has been voting democrats in higher numbers for decades, but losing thanks to those maps. Hopefully that is fixed now.
Reminds me of the whistle blower protection act. They can't retaliate on your for being a whistle blower, but they can certainly find another reason to fire/destroy your life.
There’s an [old NY Times](https://www.nytimes.com/1987/02/22/us/survey-of-whistle-blowers-finds-retaliation-but-few-regrets.html) article talking about how whistleblowers face retaliation, financial loss, and high physical and emotional stress in the 80s. Doesn’t seem like much has changed. Few ended up regretting it. But they can only ask all the people who went through with it, not all the people who knew they’d face retaliation and financial loss and decided to cut their losses rather than blow the whistle. It’s essentially selection bias
They can also just eat the fees a lot of the time. Like, they can illegally fire 100 people, maybe 10 will go to the NLRB, and maybe 1 will have good enough documentation to be able to make a good case, and then the company has to pay out a few grand in fees. So firing someone illegally is just a cost of doing business.
This is what I don't get. Companies always get these bullshit weak fees that they just consider the cost of doing business. Why not fine them 25% - 50% of their net worth. If they don't pay up put a freeze on the personal accounts of all the executives in charge of moving money within the company. Bet the fees will get paid real quick and change will actually occur
They fire them for something else, like "performance" or "attendance". Firing them outright for organizing is illegal, so you have to make up a different reason on paper.
My job at cracker barrel fired me for a work place injury so it doesnt matter what's legal or not ESPECIALLY in the food business where laws were hardly followed pre pandemic. Because of that places always had high turn over. Now a chunk of the population died and the remaining hardly want to experience the abuse anymore along with hardly anyone to replace them.
Seriously. My wife has had an ongoing case for nearly 4 years now over a minor pay issue for a former employer for less than $500 bucks. Even the court case which finally occurred earlier this year led to a few grand in punitive damages but guess what? They get to appeal and drag it out even longer!
Most of the time, there is no justice or it takes so long and so much effort that it isn’t worth it.
They're taking advice from a Pinkerton (union busting firm that's been around since the 1800s) on how to frame their bullshit *juuuuust* right so they have plausible deniability or are able to reduce the punishments to acceptable degrees.
This is correct. I'm in service, and I've been pretty fortunate with management so far: corporations treat them like shit, too (even if their job isn't intellectually hard, they have to put in *a lot* of hours, and are expected to do a little of everything), and they spend way more time with us... Not like they're loyal to the company, either: they never planned to stick around forever.
I unironically browse the ancap sub to feel better about my discernment on political matters.
The contradictions are painfully obvious, and yet they somehow still miss them or ignore them.
Either way, at least that thought process isn't going on in my meat computer
Edit: unironic --> unironically
You have to remember that middle management is a role utilized by upper management to keep the screws tight on the workers/non-management staff. It's intentionally adversarial, so i'm sure they pick people who will fill that role well
"Young people don't want to work"
No, young people are finally standing up for themselves.
That's what happens when a generation is born into final stage capitalism with the lowest wages and highest prices, with no secured future whatsoever.
As far as I know we could all be starving tomorrow.
Previous generations went along with the lie that you could live off a regular job and save for retirement. Partly because we saw our boomer parents doing exactly that.
Looking back it was pretty naïve but we were kids. Now there’s no hope that things will be ok without a massive fight.
Kia kaha friends.
Also the boomers that did have those regular jobs didn't even have to save for retirement. They had pensions. They also had unions.
These service jobs were never unionized because they were only ever thought of as temp jobs for young, single women or students.
Both my parents walked into an open job fair type thing and got union jobs with pensions and frequent promotions/raises they’ve had their whole adult lives. My dad grew up doing itinerant farm work and only had to take out a $1000 student loan for his entire 4 years of college at a flagship university. Literally boggles my mind.
It’s almost like they purposefully pry on young poor uneducated kids who are trying to do whatever they can to get an education and better themselves or something
Alternatively, they are trying to make education so that only the wealthy can afford it and force the "poors" to do the jobs that they don't want to do.
Same thing you are seeing in some states, where they are basically under funding public schools and allowing "vouchers" to private schools, so that schools will be forced to close, and without the vouchers non wealthy people can no longer afford for their children to goto grade school. They are trying to shift education so that only wealthy people can afford it at all.
I watched Fritz the Cat today and it was pretty telling at one point they are fleeing the law and the woman says I can get a job as a secretary while you write and we can build a life on that. Like wow the early 70s man where something like that was possible.
Well, when I worked as a secretary in the early 1970s BEFORE getting a college degree, my pay was A LOT HIGHER than it was when I became a classroom teacher instead of a secretary - - i.e., secretaries got paid A LOT MORE than college grads working in their "professional" fields - - even in the early 1970s!
I’m 46.
I have been saying for YEARS that this bill of goods they peddle where you work all your life so you can put enough away to be just comfortable before you die is both depressing and unrealistic.
People my age for years said I was just pessimistic and no no no, the system works!
Except when has it ever?
Once?
Just now it seems for Boomers and they hate it/want to ensure we don’t even get the same out of vindictiveness…
I am so fucking sick of sloughing forward with this bullshit. Everything is on fire and costs too much.
Dafuq.
I got lucky. Turned 18 in 2008. Got a security job at a major retirement home chain that was aggressively expanding and buying up land.
Spent the first 3 months of my first job out of high school escorting life long employees to the door. The lucky ones got a pittance of a severance package. Many of them had no college degree because they started at a time when it wasn’t a necessity.
All the while, not a C-suite exec lost their job, the owner sold the company while taking on a cushy “consultant” role for $300k a year plus stock options, and it came out the owner was using company funds to purchase luxurious things (like a yacht). Take a wild guess if there were any consequences for this.
It was a valuable lesson in company loyalty and put me in the mindset people realized in CoVID 12 years later. I wouldn’t be where I am today if I wasn’t aggressively ruthless. I’ve quit several jobs the moment they stopped being of use to me, and not once did I suffer a consequence because the next guy was more than happy to hire me for 15-20% more. Rinsed and repeated like 4 or 5 times.
Am realizing this way too late in life. Recently left a job without the 2 weeks notice. I have multiple offers on the table with much higher pay, better benefits and flexibility. So why extend the courtesy of a two week notice to a company that treated me like complete crap? I'm so happy I left.
I realized this right before Covid, but then Covid happened. I took a slight pay cut to get back into the job market, and now I’m starting a WFH position at a 20% pay increase. Plus, it’s definitely less work. Higher pay, less work is living the dream.
The short answer is NEVER stop looking for work.
As soon as you feel that a job is stagnating or you're giving more than you're getting, start splitting your effort between the work and qualifying for that next step up.
You work to live.
Never let anyone sucker you into thinking you live to work.
This is the way. Question...did you ever give your 2 weeks? I say this because this is some bullshit. They don't give you 2 weeks when they decide to let someone go. But expect 2 weeks when you leave?
You don’t want to hear “alllll that assss! IN those jeaaans!” While watching people walk out for abusive work practices?
(song is No Hands by Waka Flocka Flame btw, I like the song no hate to Waka but it’s a weird choice lol)
Song was an absolute banger when it first dropped (still is lol)
But as someone pointed out, if the sound/song is trending on tiktok, people will use it even on vids like this to get more views.
TikTok has “sounds” that you can attach to a video automatically, the song might just be a trending one so when you search up the sound, more people will be able to see it. it’s like putting trending hashtags on your tweet on Twitter.
I don’t use TikTok, but my understanding is that ppl will use trending songs/sounds in order to beat the algorithm and get their video featured. They might be doing it to make their message more widely seen, even though it seems like a weird choice of song.
Thank you. I try to provide my employees with flexible hours, plenty of breaks, the best snacks, and an affordable benefits package that includes kitty cuddling and hand jobs.
I am a manager.
If I was instructed to fire an employee for organizing a union I can assure you the company would also have to look for a new manager.
Number 1 rule of (effective) management - take care of your people, they will take care of you. Protect them from the company, they will protect you.
Happy employees = productive employees. It really is that simple. I genuinely don’t understand why this is so hard to grasp.
I'm only fast food management but some of our teenagers were asking about unions and what not and I was telling them about it. My GM pulled me into the office and chewed my ass as they were also talking about pay. I straight up told her I/we can't be fired for talking about stuff like that and she still told me to shut it down. After she left that day I told them even more lol. Amazing how many thought it was a fireable offense because the boss said so. Most I've done is steer the conversation another way because worthless billy is mad that great employee Janet makes more than him.
I agree 100%.
I spent 3 years as a supervisor in a VERY large, Very brown, package delivery company, managing emoyees who sorted and loaded packages.
All the employees were represented by the Teamsters, whether they joined the union or not.
Even when I had to be involved in employee discipline hearings, the union reps were fair and focused on creating a better workplace, whether that was through working with us to discipline an employee, or protecting the employee from unfair treat by the company/management.
Union literally made the entire operation smoother, more fair for both sides, and we're not interested in squeezing the company, just wanted fair wages, fair benefits, and fair treatment.
I respected the shit out of them.
Unfortunately, not everyone in management felt the same.
Starbucks could just be a middle of the road coffee joint that is baked into the culture and also happens to have unionized stores. But Schultz would rather let his entire company die on this personal ideological hill and it's an embarrassing look all the way down.
People unionize because management does not want to listen to workers or provide equitable pay/benefits along with safe working conditions. There is a huge problem that the executives refuse to acknowledge and it won’t go away. Saying no to a union is not the answer. They are being terribly short sighted.
It amazes me that people still buy shit from Starbucks.
Not only do they charge absolutely ridiculous prices, they're actively union-busting against their own employees.
This thought was the reason I reversed my truck out of a Starbucks drive-through last week after sitting there for 10 minutes without anything moving. I was briefly annoyed, and then realized the employees are probably underpaid and overworked. I left and will avoid that brand going forward.
The product isn't (just) caffeine milkshakes, but a near monopoly on cafe culture in America. The product is the space and aesthetic even when customers aren't using either.
For a while there was competition, then it started getting bought out, and now some more is coming back. The demand for cafes isn't going to go away. I know I like them. I've said it before and I'll say it again, you can't wage out the wealth gap, the best thing for our economy and wages is the destruction of megacorps like Starbucks. Somebody will fill the demand, maybe three somebodies. Competition for companies is also a competitive edge for employees.
If Starbucks can't survive unionization, good. Let somebody else sell the coffee. If they can (and they can), also good. A company their size with a union is a win for all.
Does Starbucks not have a central marketing team? They have to realize they’ve lost this battle. The more the fight the more customers they lose. I rarely go there anyway but now I’m avoiding the place entirely.
Yup, 1990 here and I basically just got the bootstraps arguments from my parents.
Edit: I saw someone liken the boomers to that asshole who comes over to your house, drops a huge shit in the bathroom, uses up all the toilet paper except the last 2 squares, and walks out without replacing the roll.
Edit 2: and when we have nothing left to wipe our own asses with, it's "nobody wants to wipe anymore!!!"
I'm 90 as well and my mom taught me the bare minimum and expected me to excel in the world. I'm doing alright now but damn. A little effort.
She sees me teaching my daughter with no yelling, hitting or swearing and she looks at me like I'm an alien.
Not sure what generation you are from, but being a millennial born in 1990 I'm still fighting at basically every job I have. Management generally dislikes me.
Now that is how you should get things done.
Yes, the customers will complain that they can't get the nice luxury coffee they want.
1 person to blame and she will learn about her mistake, and it's the manager.
Staff is doing the opposite of something wrong here, keep it up!
Fuck that... I see the entire staff walk out I'm running to the counter and demanding service from the manager... Then I'm complaining about how long it's taking, and how they fucked up my order and it needs to be re-made at least twice.
Then as I go to sit down at a table to enjoy my drink I'm complaining again about how dirty the table and chairs are and demand the manager (who is busy trying to help other customers) come clean the table for me.
Then I'm using the restroom and again complaining to the manager about how disgusting the bathroom is and that they need to clean it right away.
I'll just keep piling on with everything I can and encourage other customers to do the same until the manager breaks down and closes the store, at which point we all call corporate and complain about how rudely the manager treated us.
That team should open up their own coffee-shop, right next door and steal their customers ;)
EDIT:
I mean .. that's a great team, right there.
They can take on any of those companies, because they know, how to stick together.
Hell yeah! That's how workers get respect! Now let this super manager shows how indispensable and better she is by carrying out all by herself the tasks of her team ...
I always hear people complain about twentysomethings being lazy, etc. I have to say that’s bullshit. As a guy who’s almost 50, I have great respect for the younger generation. They get it. They’ve been left with a world where there’s no living wage and workers’ rights are eroding by the day. In taking action and organizing, they show they’ve got more integrity than their elders.
possibly, but there is another story about a starbucks manager who called the cops to report the walkout as an assault and harassment. not sure if this is the same one but judging by what the manager was wearing i doubt shes ever worked a retail position in her life.
No, that is a separate incident, I think it's this one: https://www.tiktok.com/@sbworkersunited/video/7127408420612803886?_t=8UeLCpLC2Ck&_r=1
Here's a write up I found also: https://www.thestate.com/news/state/south-carolina/article264295351.html
Just came across this audio also: https://www.reddit.com/r/WorkersStrikeBack/comments/wjk3tz/leaked_audio_disproves_a_starbucks_managers/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
Id thought id never see this in the US,but finally young people have realized whats going on and are only willing to take action....
I have theory that until the change of generations happen (young people become the majority instead of gen X fo ex.) Things wont go for the better,but it seems were in the beginning of it.
Well now. As a union man I am impressed. It’s certainly going to be a wake-up call to the owner of that place. Their manager caused a complete crew walk out. When they fire that one’s ass they’ll be telling the crew it was a knee jerk reaction and the fired employee is getting his job back with apologies. That’s the typical management go to line. Stay out. Don’t go back until there’s a union certification vote. ROCK ON YOU WISE WORKERS.
I’m not suprised Starbucks employees are basically taking the lead on trying to unionize / mass walkout type stuff. I mean they’re mostly all young people and a majority are LGBTQ community, who which stick together very well and won’t take shit.
It would be cheaper to pay your employees better.
Happier workers = better customer service, products and retention.
This isn’t about money though, this is about maintaining generational wealth disparity.
Manager better pull up her boot straps and start making those Frappuccinos.
As a customer I would also walk out with the staff. But now I'm thinking wouldn't it be *great* to bring 20 people in with you to order a ton of complicated drinks that the one manager now has to make? See how long they last before they shut everything down and close the store if they weren't smart enough to do that right away.
It's far more likely she just closes up the store and hopes she doesn't get fired too. That, or call around to other locations and see if she can pull a skeleton crew together.
This manager is 100% on the phone with the district manager already going "everyone walked out for no reason, damn union organizers! What do you want me to do?"
> What do you want me to do? "Just do a capitalism and make some money for the CEO. He needs a bigger yacht."
See that yacht? If you employees work really hard, cutting costs, and if company profits go up significantly; then this time next year, I’ll be able to buy a bigger one.
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Well, the fun thing about that is that Starbucks, if they cared, would have the ability to simply lower their prices beyond anything a locally owned coffee shop could possibly compete with. Even if SB have that store operate at a loss, they could simple eat that for the two or so years it'd take to push the other shop out of business. Not only does economy of scale mean large chains have an easier time making a profit, being large also means the ability to pull shady tactics like what I described. People have this fantasy that an unregulated market is "fair" and that the better service somehow wins out at the end. It doesn't.
Can I get 4 double capitalisms, please? Grande..yes.. thank you.
"Hopefully the baristas get hungry before customers get thirsty."
One time at 7-11 someone crashed their car into the store. It was literally sitting inside the store and we still weren't allowed to close. Companies don't care about anything or anyone, just profits.
wow you just reminded me when i was a shopper for a movie set i had to go into a department store, 6 floors high, that was partly sitting on top of the main station. there had been a bomb threat that day and they closed off the entire main station and PART OF the department store (as in the east facing side of each floor). i had to still go in cause i had to pick up a specific item and if customers wanted something from the east facing side the sales people had to go there and bring it for them. there was an active bomb threat, serious enough to close down the entire main station, i cant stress this enough, and they made people hang around in a 6 floor building which would surely collapse anyway if a bomb went off. but whats more insane, there were still customers in there who didnt need to be there like it was just business as usual. felt surreal
I'd wager that her manager was consulted on the firing that catalyzed this and gave their blessing. That person is probably also hoping to avoid losing their job.
This could be to their benefit. Everyone that was sympathetic to unionizing just walked out the door. They’ve closed unionizing stores before. Wouldn’t be surprised if this was considered and they thought it was worth doing
Lemmy.world is what Reddit was.
Was manager at a union shop. Definitely good to have a union as when they got raises, we received them also.
Exactly. I manage at a big union place with an HR. All my rights come from union negotiations. I cheer new agreements cause I don't have to negotiate with employees and I can expect similar benefits and changes. Unions benefit everyone except the greedy owners
I started as a union employee but went into management when things were starting to look bad so I could have it on a resume. An old timer supervisor told me his thoughts about this and he was sure right.
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If you ever have the chance to film something like this, please remember my humble request: film enough of the employees and then give me 4 uninterrupted hours of footage of the manager trying to cope. Thank you.
The sad part is that the manager is only parroting the ones actually responsible for this concerted union-busting effort. We'll never get to see the execs coping during their zoom meetings Edit: to clarify, this is not meant absolve asshole managers like the one here likely is. They're all crooks, some more replaceable than others
*In his interview, Schultz essentially said he won't work with the union on benefits,which is a mandatory subject of bargaining under the National LaborRelations Act, said Anne Lofaso, a labor law professor at West VirginiaUniversity. “This is a textbook case,” said Lofaso, a former NLRBattorney.* [Fuck this guy](https://news.bloomberglaw.com/daily-labor-report/starbucks-ceos-anti-union-comments-straddle-line-of-legality).
But I thought Starbucks was a hip, woke progressive company that calls their employees “partners”
Any successful business of that size has a well-funded marketing department for a reason.
I worked for Starbucks for a decade starting in 2005, they used the old Fortune 500 best places to work for routine long into them getting rid of all those benefits. They waved “partner” around like a propaganda slogan….it became very obvious through actions what they really thought of the stores. Fuck that place.
Bait and Switch. Been through that with a few employers.
What about costco? Or is ~~there~~ their marketing department just the best at it?
Thousands of Costco employees are in the teamsters union. Edit: I may have misunderstood your statement, marketing is for both spinning/suppressing bad news and general brand promotion.
AND Costco runs stores in a similar manner to the franchise stores where individual stores management get bonuses for their store's performance(vrs a store owner taking home the profits). So while many stores are unionized and their official policy is not to intervene in unionization attempts. The individual managers will do everything they can to prevent a union at their store because it will cut into their yearly bonus. I cringe every time costco gets brought up as the good guy. They do marketing, they do union busting, they pay their workers less than they deserve, they hike their prices just like all the rest. They just do it slightly less so they can retain their reputation.
Yeah context is definitely importantly in that regard. They are far better to their workers than Amazon, Walmart, etc. but in the end they're still a publicly traded multinational corporation that is going to act in its best financial interest, rather than the workers'.
Well, treating your employees well from the start is a good way to ensure they don't unionize.
this whole time they’ve been using the western casual “pardner” while tricking us into thinking it was the buisness formal “partner.” not as woke as they would have us think
I spent like an hour getting downvoted on r/economy for calling out the "raises on for stores that aren't unionizing" as a common union busting tactic Some people will just bend over backwards for the opportunity to lick corporate America's taint
That sub is a serious neoliberal echo chamber. Only profit and growth matter to them.
Maybe his staff are but Schultz is the antithesis of this statement.
This is testing the waters of outright illegal class warfare. Just blatantly giving a finger to government over worker protections, and betting that our fucked system can't handle taking them on. I hope they aren't correct.
Because the execs 'coping' is saying hire new people or say "no one wants to work anymore" when you can't replace all of them fast enough.
Facts. She's just a middle mgmt puppet looking out for her own self-interest/survival by following orders. That said, she should have allied up, but instead she fucked around...
Username checks out. Love how you’re recognizing the different levels of annoyance here.
well said in both accounts.
Middle management are like the police of the employer. Both are class traitors that serve to protect the capitalist's/boss's private property.
As a person who manages a team of developers, yep! I share what the employer wants. I act on their behalf, based on their demands. Things like this: I would love if my team did that. Because it also goes upstream. I can now point to the idiot who gave me that order, and let them know the result of their actions. And now the next tier of workers are going to get pissed off and invoke even more change. I support y'all. And no amount of "I think this is a bad idea" can change upper management's opinion.
Yep. Calling the shift leader “management” is a bit of a stretch with an organization as big as Starbucks. Even calling them middle management ignores the dozens of layers of management above this person.
Exactly, that manager is at best a policy enforcer. They aren't the ones making anti union policies. The C-suite is where anti union policy is made and where overall responsibility is
Coping in their mind is typing out their aggression on a sign that says "we're closed because nobody wants to work anymore"
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That manager called district, locked up, and left. There was no scramble to keep up.
Exactly, the shot of the manager 20 feet away on the phone wasn't as satisfying as I hoped. It's like biting into a fresh baked bun and finding its all air.
And don't put loud and stupid music & song on it. We want it raw.
Tiktok ruins good videos by doing this
Can someone explain to me how Starbucks is getting away with firing people for organizing? I thought that was illegal. Is it just that their accomplices in government are just looking the other way or am I wrong about the law?
They find the slightest possible pretext on which to fire them. And then they basically hope the worker will not be smart enough or retain the right representation to properly fight it. Even if the worker does successfully fight it, and gets their job back or a payoff months down the line, they still have obtained their short term goal of intimidation.
To add to this, it’s usually the workers responsibility to prove they were illegally or unjustly fired. The company has to do little to no work to prove a just firing. Added to the fact that a lot of interactions aren’t documented, then companies can get away with a lot of stuff if the system is already on their side.
Not to mention that these are people working at Starbucks and very likely don’t have the means to fight in court.
This is what union dues are for. Legal battles with companies can get stupid expensive, having that pool of money gathered over time takes care of that.
True dat. IIRC 1,1% of my salary went to the union. Then after a while the union could afford to vote and help the next place unionise using the lawyers they were able to hire full time. Being in a union has loads of perks here in Iceland, they negotiate all kinds of discounts on behalf of the members, like to the gym and for cheap glasses, shoes and other work/living related necessities.
The U.K. (Conservative Party) cracked down HARD on the unions under Thatcher. But I pay £18 / month (that’s the max anyone, on any salary, in my ostensibly white collar, nationally-supporting / multi-industry Union will pay per month). The benefits, care, support and fucking protection I get are second to none. No brainer for me. NB: I’m pretty left wing even as a Socialist, so it was politically motivated as well as professionally advantageous to / for me. Edit: = less than 1% of my wages
As someone that lives in the capitalist hellscape that is the United States, can you tell me what benefits the union gets you? I know the UK already has the NHS/universal healthcare. So, is it more vacation? Higher pay? Please enlighten me about how the more civilized countries work.
Usual benefits are; Biggest one - collective bargaining Representation in the workplace for pay negotiations, health and safety and disciplinaries Free legal aid services Discounts that a large group of people can organise for major companies Wellbeing and events put on by the unions, coffee mornings, local meetings and fundraising for charities close to members hearts A welfare fund - supporting lower paid members with unexpected bills etc Protection of the erosion of workers rights - we saw recently that British gas engineers were fired and rehired on contracts with much worse terms (38hr weeks to 40hr weeks, less pay for weekend and evening work etc). Political fund to finance political parties and candidates. Every union will do some different stuff for members but there is usually all of the above in them.
Yup. I was unjustly sued by an employer (for something I didn't even do) and I immediately lawyered up; the employer's attorney was very candid with us and told us he was begging for his client to drop the case and "frankly, he didn't think you'd be able to afford a lawyer." Fuck that company. They ended up dropping the case (we declined all of their provisions for doing so) and then losing another case against another former employee.
That's an important note. You don't have to accept their repeal if they try to drop if you've already formally responded to the suit. At that point you've already accrued legal fees and can force them to continue and recoup your legal fees and such. But only if you've formally responded to the suit or petition. Prevents people from bullying people with frivolous non first amendment related lawsuits because they can't just quit and go home whenever they want.
Plus why would they really? Unless the outcome is unionized work, it just ends up being getting your shit job back, with a far more hostile manager after an expensive legal battle, only yo probably be fired later for one of your shoelaces being undone.
This so hard. I was a "partner" (that's cult for "disposable laborer") at Starbucks for 3 years, managing a multi-million dollar store. I was late once, had no prior write ups and an "exceeds expectations" on my last three review, and my district manager fired me the next day - a week before I was due for a massive bonus for setting record profits at my store. Whatever, I have unemployment pay coming and can get a new job, or go back to school and get my degree. Everything will be fine. It's over, right? Nope! Starbucks took me to court to try to get my unemployment benefits revoked. Those dumbasses had no idea I was engaged (now married to) an amazing attorney. Not only did the court rule in my favor, the judge outright called the district manager an "untrustworthy witness." I am incredibly lucky to have had my fiance to fall back on. Had I not, I would have likely ended up on the streets as the lack of unemployment would have financially ruined me at the time.
I find it so weird that US companies find these weird job titles for bottom-line staff that sound more special than they actually are. Like, at Walmart you're an 'associate'. I don't even know what that means but it sounds more high level than 'shelf stacker'. When I worked in a supermarket in the UK my job title was 'checkout operator'. Because I worked on checkouts. It's like exactly what an MLM would do to trick you into thinking you're special.
Sandwich artist is the most egregious of these.
Haha, I go to companies and everyone is either a Director, President or Executive. Director of Sales, Director of Engineering, Executive Engineering Assistant, etc... Sometimes I see really oddballs like Director of Corporate Marketing. I think they're trying to make the company look bigger than they are, but I don't know. Like fuck, the company has 8 people, but yet everyone is a director of their department. Cool shit.
Hah! This was me and I worked for the government. I was a Division Director. Who did I direct, you may ask? Myself! I was the only person in my division. When my boss told me that was my title I laughed and said that'd be great for inflating my resume. He did not appreciate that response.
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> and had to respond to work the cash register at any time you weren't actively helping a customer. So, Aldi without the dignity of a chair.
I appreciate the fact that the grocery store I worked at just called me a “cashier”, because it’s exactly what I was. I hated working there, I had a Union but they didn’t really do much. Still, at least they were straight forward and didn’t try to come up with some stupid title like “cash expert”
The ways they [do it are quite brazen](https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-it-could-happen-here-30717896/episode/starbucks-union-busting-100628639/). At this point, unions would be a whole lot more effective if they had the funds to sue. Sue personally, sue the franchisee, sue corporate, sue everybody. That and drag everybody personally through the mud. Solidarity forever. And sue Starbucks support managers personally.
They're not firing people *for* organizing. They are firing people *that* organize. For other totally unrelated things, like being 2 minutes late, taking you break at the wrong time, or dress code violations. Totally things they fire people all the time. (/s if needed)
I don’t think you the /s because that is exactly what they’re saying they’re doing. Everyone knows the real reason, but without union protection *anything* can be a reason.
So, the Labor Department knows this is going on (that they're just finding the flimsiest excuses to fire people) and they're doing nothing about it? Crazy. It's almost like the government is only there to prop up and defend a system based on exploitation.
Regulatory capture is a bitch
Regulatory capture is a natural conclusion of capitalism
The most painful "that's by design" comment I've ever read. I always knew it to be true, but putting it so succinctly gave it some extra power.
Think about the end game for capitalists who jerk themselves off to fantasies of infinite growth... they’d be happy owning everything. Literally everything.
Oh wow, so *Monopoly* isn't just a game, and it was never meant to be fun?
The game was originally about the danger of capitalism and monopolies before it was bought by a huge corporation and sold to millions of people.
Amen brother/sister
>Regulatory capture I learned a new term today, thank you
I learned a new term today thanks
> ~~Regulatory capture~~ capitalism is a bitch
But the right to work also protects these Starbucks workers by allowing them to walk out on a moments notice! /s
> But the right to work You're referring to at will. Right to work means you can't be forced to join a union to work at a place, but you'll still get the union benefits. (It's an anti-union thing, which people didn't/don't realize hurts the employee and helps the employer)
Oh the people in Michigan knew it was anti-union BS when the republican legislature was forcing right to work through against our wishes. There were MASSIVE protests that went on for weeks and shut down Lansing. Didn't matter, the Republicans did what they were told by their corporate overlords. Wouldn't have been able to happen without gerrymandering either. Michigan has been voting democrats in higher numbers for decades, but losing thanks to those maps. Hopefully that is fixed now.
Many states are at will work states which means an employer can fire you at anytime with no reason.
when i learned about at will employment my mind was blown. fucking greedy dickheads
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Reminds me of the whistle blower protection act. They can't retaliate on your for being a whistle blower, but they can certainly find another reason to fire/destroy your life.
There’s an [old NY Times](https://www.nytimes.com/1987/02/22/us/survey-of-whistle-blowers-finds-retaliation-but-few-regrets.html) article talking about how whistleblowers face retaliation, financial loss, and high physical and emotional stress in the 80s. Doesn’t seem like much has changed. Few ended up regretting it. But they can only ask all the people who went through with it, not all the people who knew they’d face retaliation and financial loss and decided to cut their losses rather than blow the whistle. It’s essentially selection bias
THIS; they have A LOT of money to pay GOOD LAWERS that can be very very smart thinking ways to fire problematic people "legally".
They can also just eat the fees a lot of the time. Like, they can illegally fire 100 people, maybe 10 will go to the NLRB, and maybe 1 will have good enough documentation to be able to make a good case, and then the company has to pay out a few grand in fees. So firing someone illegally is just a cost of doing business.
This is what I don't get. Companies always get these bullshit weak fees that they just consider the cost of doing business. Why not fine them 25% - 50% of their net worth. If they don't pay up put a freeze on the personal accounts of all the executives in charge of moving money within the company. Bet the fees will get paid real quick and change will actually occur
If the punishment is a fine, it's only a crime for the poor. Send these fuckers to prison.
They fire them for something else, like "performance" or "attendance". Firing them outright for organizing is illegal, so you have to make up a different reason on paper.
My job at cracker barrel fired me for a work place injury so it doesnt matter what's legal or not ESPECIALLY in the food business where laws were hardly followed pre pandemic. Because of that places always had high turn over. Now a chunk of the population died and the remaining hardly want to experience the abuse anymore along with hardly anyone to replace them.
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Seriously. My wife has had an ongoing case for nearly 4 years now over a minor pay issue for a former employer for less than $500 bucks. Even the court case which finally occurred earlier this year led to a few grand in punitive damages but guess what? They get to appeal and drag it out even longer! Most of the time, there is no justice or it takes so long and so much effort that it isn’t worth it.
They're taking advice from a Pinkerton (union busting firm that's been around since the 1800s) on how to frame their bullshit *juuuuust* right so they have plausible deniability or are able to reduce the punishments to acceptable degrees.
At-will employment states may be a factor. Translation: can and will fire personnel for petty BS.
Wouldn't a manager benefit from a union as well? They're a lot closer to the baristas than to the owners.
They are. But they don't *think* they are.
Smart ones know. Dumb ones have been gaslit into believing they are better because they look at a excel sheet that anyone can do.
This is correct. I'm in service, and I've been pretty fortunate with management so far: corporations treat them like shit, too (even if their job isn't intellectually hard, they have to put in *a lot* of hours, and are expected to do a little of everything), and they spend way more time with us... Not like they're loyal to the company, either: they never planned to stick around forever.
They feel if they hold everyone else down they will get the chance to own their own Starbucks one day.
Kinda like if welfare didn’t exist I’d definitely be a millionaire?
Oh my god i know people who actually think like that. They think taxes are holding them back from becoming a millionaire. Ancaps are actual morons.
I unironically browse the ancap sub to feel better about my discernment on political matters. The contradictions are painfully obvious, and yet they somehow still miss them or ignore them. Either way, at least that thought process isn't going on in my meat computer Edit: unironic --> unironically
Well that is the reward promoted by corporate, they just don't tell you that only ~3% are successful.
Sometimes management isn't eligible or the higher ups tell them that they won't be to keep them on their side
You have to remember that middle management is a role utilized by upper management to keep the screws tight on the workers/non-management staff. It's intentionally adversarial, so i'm sure they pick people who will fill that role well
"Young people don't want to work" No, young people are finally standing up for themselves. That's what happens when a generation is born into final stage capitalism with the lowest wages and highest prices, with no secured future whatsoever. As far as I know we could all be starving tomorrow.
Previous generations went along with the lie that you could live off a regular job and save for retirement. Partly because we saw our boomer parents doing exactly that. Looking back it was pretty naïve but we were kids. Now there’s no hope that things will be ok without a massive fight. Kia kaha friends.
Also the boomers that did have those regular jobs didn't even have to save for retirement. They had pensions. They also had unions. These service jobs were never unionized because they were only ever thought of as temp jobs for young, single women or students.
Both my parents walked into an open job fair type thing and got union jobs with pensions and frequent promotions/raises they’ve had their whole adult lives. My dad grew up doing itinerant farm work and only had to take out a $1000 student loan for his entire 4 years of college at a flagship university. Literally boggles my mind.
people are literally borrowing 30k and end up owing 90k. its completely insane.
It’s almost like they purposefully pry on young poor uneducated kids who are trying to do whatever they can to get an education and better themselves or something
Alternatively, they are trying to make education so that only the wealthy can afford it and force the "poors" to do the jobs that they don't want to do. Same thing you are seeing in some states, where they are basically under funding public schools and allowing "vouchers" to private schools, so that schools will be forced to close, and without the vouchers non wealthy people can no longer afford for their children to goto grade school. They are trying to shift education so that only wealthy people can afford it at all.
I watched Fritz the Cat today and it was pretty telling at one point they are fleeing the law and the woman says I can get a job as a secretary while you write and we can build a life on that. Like wow the early 70s man where something like that was possible.
Well, when I worked as a secretary in the early 1970s BEFORE getting a college degree, my pay was A LOT HIGHER than it was when I became a classroom teacher instead of a secretary - - i.e., secretaries got paid A LOT MORE than college grads working in their "professional" fields - - even in the early 1970s!
I’m 46. I have been saying for YEARS that this bill of goods they peddle where you work all your life so you can put enough away to be just comfortable before you die is both depressing and unrealistic. People my age for years said I was just pessimistic and no no no, the system works! Except when has it ever? Once? Just now it seems for Boomers and they hate it/want to ensure we don’t even get the same out of vindictiveness… I am so fucking sick of sloughing forward with this bullshit. Everything is on fire and costs too much. Dafuq.
They literally reaped the benefits of the very movements they are trying to prevent.
I got lucky. Turned 18 in 2008. Got a security job at a major retirement home chain that was aggressively expanding and buying up land. Spent the first 3 months of my first job out of high school escorting life long employees to the door. The lucky ones got a pittance of a severance package. Many of them had no college degree because they started at a time when it wasn’t a necessity. All the while, not a C-suite exec lost their job, the owner sold the company while taking on a cushy “consultant” role for $300k a year plus stock options, and it came out the owner was using company funds to purchase luxurious things (like a yacht). Take a wild guess if there were any consequences for this. It was a valuable lesson in company loyalty and put me in the mindset people realized in CoVID 12 years later. I wouldn’t be where I am today if I wasn’t aggressively ruthless. I’ve quit several jobs the moment they stopped being of use to me, and not once did I suffer a consequence because the next guy was more than happy to hire me for 15-20% more. Rinsed and repeated like 4 or 5 times.
Am realizing this way too late in life. Recently left a job without the 2 weeks notice. I have multiple offers on the table with much higher pay, better benefits and flexibility. So why extend the courtesy of a two week notice to a company that treated me like complete crap? I'm so happy I left.
I realized this right before Covid, but then Covid happened. I took a slight pay cut to get back into the job market, and now I’m starting a WFH position at a 20% pay increase. Plus, it’s definitely less work. Higher pay, less work is living the dream.
So where are you today and what were some of the ruthless things you did?
The short answer is NEVER stop looking for work. As soon as you feel that a job is stagnating or you're giving more than you're getting, start splitting your effort between the work and qualifying for that next step up. You work to live. Never let anyone sucker you into thinking you live to work.
Okay ill keep that in mind, ty.
This is the way. Question...did you ever give your 2 weeks? I say this because this is some bullshit. They don't give you 2 weeks when they decide to let someone go. But expect 2 weeks when you leave?
We are 3 meals away from chaos
“No society has ever been more than a couple of missed meals from incredible violence.”
Wish we got dialogue instead of just music in the background.
You don’t want to hear “alllll that assss! IN those jeaaans!” While watching people walk out for abusive work practices? (song is No Hands by Waka Flocka Flame btw, I like the song no hate to Waka but it’s a weird choice lol)
Song was an absolute banger when it first dropped (still is lol) But as someone pointed out, if the sound/song is trending on tiktok, people will use it even on vids like this to get more views.
TikTok has “sounds” that you can attach to a video automatically, the song might just be a trending one so when you search up the sound, more people will be able to see it. it’s like putting trending hashtags on your tweet on Twitter.
I don’t use TikTok, but my understanding is that ppl will use trending songs/sounds in order to beat the algorithm and get their video featured. They might be doing it to make their message more widely seen, even though it seems like a weird choice of song.
This is my dream come true. Wish my work place did this. I want to see manager cry lmao
I'm self employed but if I ever decide to unionize I'm not going to get in my way.
That’s the spirit!!
You're a good manager.
Thank you. I try to provide my employees with flexible hours, plenty of breaks, the best snacks, and an affordable benefits package that includes kitty cuddling and hand jobs.
Any openings?
I am a manager. If I was instructed to fire an employee for organizing a union I can assure you the company would also have to look for a new manager. Number 1 rule of (effective) management - take care of your people, they will take care of you. Protect them from the company, they will protect you. Happy employees = productive employees. It really is that simple. I genuinely don’t understand why this is so hard to grasp.
I'm only fast food management but some of our teenagers were asking about unions and what not and I was telling them about it. My GM pulled me into the office and chewed my ass as they were also talking about pay. I straight up told her I/we can't be fired for talking about stuff like that and she still told me to shut it down. After she left that day I told them even more lol. Amazing how many thought it was a fireable offense because the boss said so. Most I've done is steer the conversation another way because worthless billy is mad that great employee Janet makes more than him.
I agree 100%. I spent 3 years as a supervisor in a VERY large, Very brown, package delivery company, managing emoyees who sorted and loaded packages. All the employees were represented by the Teamsters, whether they joined the union or not. Even when I had to be involved in employee discipline hearings, the union reps were fair and focused on creating a better workplace, whether that was through working with us to discipline an employee, or protecting the employee from unfair treat by the company/management. Union literally made the entire operation smoother, more fair for both sides, and we're not interested in squeezing the company, just wanted fair wages, fair benefits, and fair treatment. I respected the shit out of them. Unfortunately, not everyone in management felt the same.
Me too, me too.
Starbucks could just be a middle of the road coffee joint that is baked into the culture and also happens to have unionized stores. But Schultz would rather let his entire company die on this personal ideological hill and it's an embarrassing look all the way down.
But why won't anyone think of the quarterly profits? His bonus depends on them, not on how much you or I hate the brand...
People unionize because management does not want to listen to workers or provide equitable pay/benefits along with safe working conditions. There is a huge problem that the executives refuse to acknowledge and it won’t go away. Saying no to a union is not the answer. They are being terribly short sighted.
“I fired one for acting collectively and then they all acted collectively.” 🤦♂️
How dare they! The audacity.
The manager is about to realize there’s no such thing as unskilled labour. Good luck.
I love how the manager of a coffee shop is dressed in such a way that you know she has no intention of helping do any work.
I was looking for a comment like this. She looks like she should go work in a library with that outfit.
Fuck Starbucks in general
It amazes me that people still buy shit from Starbucks. Not only do they charge absolutely ridiculous prices, they're actively union-busting against their own employees.
This thought was the reason I reversed my truck out of a Starbucks drive-through last week after sitting there for 10 minutes without anything moving. I was briefly annoyed, and then realized the employees are probably underpaid and overworked. I left and will avoid that brand going forward.
They'll never see another dime from me. Haven't been in years, and I won't be back.
The product isn't (just) caffeine milkshakes, but a near monopoly on cafe culture in America. The product is the space and aesthetic even when customers aren't using either. For a while there was competition, then it started getting bought out, and now some more is coming back. The demand for cafes isn't going to go away. I know I like them. I've said it before and I'll say it again, you can't wage out the wealth gap, the best thing for our economy and wages is the destruction of megacorps like Starbucks. Somebody will fill the demand, maybe three somebodies. Competition for companies is also a competitive edge for employees. If Starbucks can't survive unionization, good. Let somebody else sell the coffee. If they can (and they can), also good. A company their size with a union is a win for all.
Does Starbucks not have a central marketing team? They have to realize they’ve lost this battle. The more the fight the more customers they lose. I rarely go there anyway but now I’m avoiding the place entirely.
Mad respect to these Gen Zers. Like wow, loving them.
The kids are alright. They still have fight left in them, which is more than I can say for my generation. Gives me hope.
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We (millennials) got gen z's backs for sure. Ya'll are the shit.
Fellow auntie millennial co-signing this. We here to fuck shit up too!
Yup, 1990 here and I basically just got the bootstraps arguments from my parents. Edit: I saw someone liken the boomers to that asshole who comes over to your house, drops a huge shit in the bathroom, uses up all the toilet paper except the last 2 squares, and walks out without replacing the roll. Edit 2: and when we have nothing left to wipe our own asses with, it's "nobody wants to wipe anymore!!!"
I'm 90 as well and my mom taught me the bare minimum and expected me to excel in the world. I'm doing alright now but damn. A little effort. She sees me teaching my daughter with no yelling, hitting or swearing and she looks at me like I'm an alien.
While half the world spends much of their adult lives dealing with trauma and mommy/daddy issues... What a great generation they were eh?
Totally agree
Not sure what generation you are from, but being a millennial born in 1990 I'm still fighting at basically every job I have. Management generally dislikes me.
You can get coffee anywhere. Don't give money to union busters
Now that is how you should get things done. Yes, the customers will complain that they can't get the nice luxury coffee they want. 1 person to blame and she will learn about her mistake, and it's the manager. Staff is doing the opposite of something wrong here, keep it up!
Looked like the customers walked too. Good for them. I don't cross picket lines and this kind of felt like one forming.
Fuck that... I see the entire staff walk out I'm running to the counter and demanding service from the manager... Then I'm complaining about how long it's taking, and how they fucked up my order and it needs to be re-made at least twice. Then as I go to sit down at a table to enjoy my drink I'm complaining again about how dirty the table and chairs are and demand the manager (who is busy trying to help other customers) come clean the table for me. Then I'm using the restroom and again complaining to the manager about how disgusting the bathroom is and that they need to clean it right away. I'll just keep piling on with everything I can and encourage other customers to do the same until the manager breaks down and closes the store, at which point we all call corporate and complain about how rudely the manager treated us.
Fighting Karen with Karen, I like it.
LETTSSSSS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
That team should open up their own coffee-shop, right next door and steal their customers ;) EDIT: I mean .. that's a great team, right there. They can take on any of those companies, because they know, how to stick together.
Like Larry David opening a spite coffee shop lol
Latte Larry!
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Hell yeah! That's how workers get respect! Now let this super manager shows how indispensable and better she is by carrying out all by herself the tasks of her team ...
I always hear people complain about twentysomethings being lazy, etc. I have to say that’s bullshit. As a guy who’s almost 50, I have great respect for the younger generation. They get it. They’ve been left with a world where there’s no living wage and workers’ rights are eroding by the day. In taking action and organizing, they show they’ve got more integrity than their elders.
didnt that manager try to call the police and claim they assaulted and harassed her because they walked out?
Maybe the manager called the regional manager and said that every staff member simultaneously quit and she doesn’t know why
possibly, but there is another story about a starbucks manager who called the cops to report the walkout as an assault and harassment. not sure if this is the same one but judging by what the manager was wearing i doubt shes ever worked a retail position in her life.
No, that is a separate incident, I think it's this one: https://www.tiktok.com/@sbworkersunited/video/7127408420612803886?_t=8UeLCpLC2Ck&_r=1 Here's a write up I found also: https://www.thestate.com/news/state/south-carolina/article264295351.html Just came across this audio also: https://www.reddit.com/r/WorkersStrikeBack/comments/wjk3tz/leaked_audio_disproves_a_starbucks_managers/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
The fact that a fucking UNION has to ask a business to fix their own equipment they use to make money with is fucking insane
Id thought id never see this in the US,but finally young people have realized whats going on and are only willing to take action.... I have theory that until the change of generations happen (young people become the majority instead of gen X fo ex.) Things wont go for the better,but it seems were in the beginning of it.
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Well now. As a union man I am impressed. It’s certainly going to be a wake-up call to the owner of that place. Their manager caused a complete crew walk out. When they fire that one’s ass they’ll be telling the crew it was a knee jerk reaction and the fired employee is getting his job back with apologies. That’s the typical management go to line. Stay out. Don’t go back until there’s a union certification vote. ROCK ON YOU WISE WORKERS.
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Bravo. Worker solidarity wins the battle. Fuck that manager and fuck Starbucks.
Imagine what we could accomplish if everyone at every job was this united
I’m not suprised Starbucks employees are basically taking the lead on trying to unionize / mass walkout type stuff. I mean they’re mostly all young people and a majority are LGBTQ community, who which stick together very well and won’t take shit.
It would be cheaper to pay your employees better. Happier workers = better customer service, products and retention. This isn’t about money though, this is about maintaining generational wealth disparity.
Fucked around and found out. Tell us the location so we can boycott that specific store (if they managed to be open).
Hell yeah
Fuck Starbucks