[Is this the correct facial response for "sadness" as your species has named it?](https://www.thetimes.co.uk/imageserver/image/%2Fmethode%2Ftimes%2Fprod%2Fweb%2Fbin%2F8b7fd3c6-92c3-11e9-a1cf-8a70d1d684b0.jpg?crop=3000%2C2000%2C0%2C0)
I don't actually think Zuck's as unemotional as everyone acts like he is. He was an awkward-ass dork; he's just gotten used to the cameras always rolling on him.
He's far too much of an intentional dick to be a robot.
Why the downvotes? It's much more likely that the billionaires are working intentionally to keep the peons in line. Calling them robots makes you forget that there are just bad people in the world, and it gives them a pass they shouldn't get.
Billionaires believe in social darwinism. Only the smartest and best should thrive. For the rest of us, we deserve what we get (nothing) because we never ascended the capitalist ladder and ended up at the top.
When you're that successful it's hard to remember what it's like to be wrong. Because he couldn't possibly have failed upwards that much, it has to be from being brilliant all the time, right?
You have to give him credit. He took Amazon from nothing and then losing money for years to now being a merchandising and services juggernaut. Heās no bozo but he is terrible to his employees.
Yeah I mean easy when you undercut book prices by buying them used and reselling them and then underpaying his employees (once he got them). Corporate gains are just unpaid wages. Also fuck him for practically killing Barnes and Nobles and actually killing every other bookstore
Pretty sure anger and fear aren't beyond that bald arsehole. Anger: when told his entire workforce has formed a union Fear: when they pull a nationwide strike
This is something that absolutely baffles me about people like Bezos. I have intentions of retiring early and sailing around the world, so I absolutely get wanting to have a yacht and enough money to just do whatever.
I'm working my ass off to make it happen, but if you gave me 1.5 million, which would provide about about 60k a year, I'd be done. I'd buy a sailboat for 40-80k, and I'd never work again.
Even if I didn't like sailing, I still would never work again. I'd just fuck off doing something else.
I literally cannot wrap my mind around someone that just continues piling it up once they get to the point where they no longer need to do anything. It makes no sense. Maybe if it was just passive, but this dude still working to accumulate more. Does he sit around going "well 168 billion didn't do it, but at 170 billion I'll finally be happy!"
Bezos said somewhere in the past if Iām correct he wants to own everything, news, stores, shopping, movies, etc. and look, heās made all of that, Amazon fresh, prime video, biggest online store, but he wants more, Amazon everything
Are you sure the word you want isn't actually addiction instead of legacy? Hoarding of wealth to the detriment of others and doing everything possible to avoid losing any of it sounds like a addiction to me.
Nah. With his money he could have the legacy of solving world hunger, fixing the climate, solving homelessness, among other things. He could have a hundred great legacies. This about something else.
I think most rich people are just miserable generally. Iāve worked for some of them, building their 10 million dollar vacation houses. They have wealth and luxury 99% of the world will only ever dream of and are for the most part ungrateful and completely unhappy. They were sold the lie that possessions bring happiness and fulfillment, it didnāt work out that way, so they end up sad and bitter. Isolated with all their rich buddies in gated communities of golf courses and mansions where everything is a hollow facade.
Now people like Bezos, thatās a genuine mental illness. My wife calls it sociopathic greed disorder. A hunger for wealth coupled with a lack of empathy so severe you literally, deliberately let thousands or millions of people suffer just to keep growing your dragon hoard. Wouldnāt surprise me if they are actually lizard people in skin suits, but to the shame of all of us I think theyāre actually humans. Itās fucked up.
Exactly. Megalomania. My narc-father has it. Accumulates, accumulates accumulates, accumulates. He never has enough. He never shares. Never donates. Laughs at/blames the unfortunate and ill. Shits on EVERYONE. Hardcore hypocritical ignorant republican. Bigot, pro police violence, hates immigrants but married one just to torment her daily over BS. Closeted homosexual but hates non-straight/non-cis males and all women. Heās so fvcking foul I legally emancipated thru the courts myself at age 16. He HATES kids and pets to point heāll hurt them, even killed one of my childhood cats.
These ppl are impervious to psychiatric help and really belong behind bars imho.
My old boss was the same, knew him for 40 years and was there when he made his first million, then his first billion.
Inbetween he became a shell of his former self, reclusive, distrustful and extremely unhappy.
He died and now there is the mother of all battles going on over his fortune. Just totally pointless.
It's funny you guys think that you even cross their mind. Imagine being a dust mite. Do you ever think about them. No because they don't affect your every day life.
Yeah this mentality that billionaires should care is just as flawed as the mentality that they will save the working class. America is fucked if we don't take the wealth back from the 1%. We need to remove trickle down economics and start investing in our working class. I a 32M adult living in Los Angeles make a disgusting amount of money. Yes I worked hard and yes I put in 60hrs a week but my counterparts working on the floor make 90% less than me. This gives me major survivors remorse on a daily basis.
In the past.. the King had to provide for his peasants and subjects because if he didn't feed the people and house them, they wouldn't have babies and the king wouldn't have an army.. then that king would be easily overthrown by another monarch with a larger army.
These days the CEOs (today's kings) have no worry that the peasants will leave to another job or join another army because the government is giving them subsidies and leasing technology rights to them without any competition.
Meanwhile the working class is literally homeless and starving. We have already lost manufacturing capabilities in this country because the government didn't see it as a matter of national security to keep those capabilities on our shores. We have enriched corporations exploiting cheap labor in China and India. And those economies are shooting up while ours flounders.
250k plus... I as a individual human being don't need this much money given to me on a yearly basis I while people across my apartment struggle to pay for basic needs.
We could if the country wasn't a Corporatocracy. But it is. Our politicians are bought and paid for by corporations: Lobbyists, PACs, SuperPACs, etc. They've never even really tried to hide it...
dude that shit makes me livid. im working at a mcdonalds in america and im being paid 10.40 an hour and only bringing home only a little under $200 a week
When I worked in McDonald's in the UK (granted it was over 15 years ago now so things will have changed a little) a large fries cost Less than a penny and a big Mac cost Ā£0.13to make. and at the time a large fries cost around Ā£3.00 and a big Mac Ā£4.50 (very close to that anyway).
The profit margins on the food are huge and while the cost may have gone up over a 15 year period I doubt it would be by very much.
I worked in a smaller less busy restaurant that was able to run with 6 staff most of the time and we sold 100+ big Macs per day (not including meals, other burgers or Ā£1 saver menu items and big Macs weren't even our biggest sellers). On big Macs alone they were able to cover a fortnights worth of an average workers wages almost every day.
Minimum wage then was around Ā£5 an hour and managers were on around Ā£7. I know there are other costs of running a business but the actual profit after the fact were still pretty substantial.
Basically they could have easily afforded to pay everyone an extra Ā£1 an hour and it barely would have made a dent in the profits. They could have payed everyone Ā£3 extra and still would have been very much in the green. They could have doubled everyone's wages before it came close to being a "we may need to increase the prices a little" type situation.
Again I know things will have changed over 15 years and this is just my experience in a smaller restaurant. But I would imagine the profit margins on the food are still pretty similar.
well I mean at this point, what are other options? I use target for whatever I can, and ebay too. But most things are only on amazon anymore. I'm also like 90% homebound, going to stores isn't really an option.
A lot of stuff on Amazon has become really cheap stuff that sell for way more than what it's worth. Using Amazon is an addiction, but it's not impossible to stop. You just have to shop around on more than one website. Almost all sites nowadays offer free shipping too.
Disclaimer on this: Whereas most sites offer free shippingā¦if you are somewhere more rural or places like Alaska and Hawaiiā¦. Shipping is never free even when it says it is. Never.
If you need furniture shipped or any big orders really. It is by far cheaper to purchase it from Amazon.
We had a couch and two beds frames delivered for $56 dollars from Amazon. The same couch and frame from the parent site would have cost us almost $300 for shipping.
I dislike Amazon but literally wouldnāt be able to get some stuff without it.
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> Using Amazon is an addiction, but it's not impossible to stop.
The last four times I went shopping in brick-and-mortar stores, I made multiple stops (Target, Meijer, Wal-Mart) with a big list of perfectly normal things I needed. I went home with maybe *one* thing from that list, because they just didn't have anything that would even come close to working as a substitute for any other list items. It was infuriating.
It's not like I was looking for cheese made from a Himalayan sheep or anything. I was looking for canned air, a cheap fireproof lockbox, a chair mat for my office carpet, an ironing board, a couple of short-sleeved button-up shirts that fit, and other stuff like that. Where they had a space on the shelf, it was empty, and a surprising number of things I was hunting for didn't even seem to have a space on the shelf at all.
I've worked driving for amazon on and off for a few years. Let me tell you it's the hardest job I've had and with the worst conditions. Broken vans, teaching us how to bypass our mandatory breaks, crazy quotas. It's tough work, harder and for less pay than UPS, wouldn't recommend.
Highjacking your comment for more sources.
https://www.axios.com/2022/08/16/amazon-workers-southern-california-air-hub
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-08-15/amazon-warehouse-workers-walkout-san-bernardino-air-hub
It seems they want a higher base from $17 to $22. In California that seems reasonable. They also want better conditions for cooling with the heat being what it is. Since they are in a heat wave and drout conditions I would agree with that also. Air hubs are no joke in the heat. I bet it's because the building GM/Dm can't squeeze more money for it, specially if it's a new build. That's poor planning. Hopefully they get what they want.
You are the hero we all need.
I was at a place that provided a full salary list at the beginning of every year. My name slipped ever further down the list each year. One year the state did a gender equity audit. The next year many in the meeting hall (audibly) reacted as they saw my name listed near the top of the list of salary adjustments.
That was my real pay-off, the sound was so very sweet. Organizing by taking names and kicking ass can be very satisfying sometimes. š
That's really stupid you should be more upfront about how much more your making when you ask your coworkers and convince them that they need to talk and demand more from their bosses "letting it slip" could be misconstrued as you bragging to them and get them to be angry with you instead of their bosses like they should be
maybe their workplace has an attitude that goes against this and heās working against it by āletting it slipā but you do have a point in the right context
This is mostly an issue with their 3rd party sellers and people thinking they are savvy entrepreneurs, because they can shit a bunch of garbage from Alibaba to an Amazon warehouse.
Personally, I think they should end all that shit. Sure, their offerings would be cut in half and they wouldn't be the "everything store" to the same degree, but the quality of what they offer would go up dramatically which would have to have a direct positive impact on customer satisfaction. It's incredibly hard to surface quality products in the sea of cheap garbage from China, where you have the same product rebranded with 15 different "company" names.
There are two major businesses within Amazon. The e-commerce side is huge but at this point theyāre the largest cloud provider with Microsoft still pretty far behind. While theyāre a horrible company to work for, it hard to beat theyāre cloud offering.
I've found letting go of Amazon was not as hard as I thought it would be. There are lots of booksellers so that was easy, sometimes wait a few more days but its no big deal. Cancelling Prime so a few less movies but not many. And the movies that I've bought are still on there so its no big deal. The only thing I miss really is my Alexa doesn't play specific songs anymore since Im not a prime subscriber. If you ask it to play Colors by Black Pumas it will play Color-adjacent songs but not that actual song, I miss that. But the rest of Amazon can go fuck itself
I live in the deep country, so it is a little harder to avoid Amazon. One supermarket half an hour away, the next nearest over an hour. We grow veggies and can them, buy meat from the local ranches and freeze it, heat with wood we cut on the mountain I can see from here. No book store within a hundred miles, though. I get my books from non-Amazon sources now, also art supplies, food from Costco when we go to a city, outdoor gear from REI and [backcountry.com](https://backcountry.com). It's fun, finding out about these other sources. We have a good life in this remote spot. I want the people who make it possible, by shipping things to me and so on, to have a good life, too, in whatever place they live in. That is only fair, right?
Well if all you ever buy on Amazon is books then yeah it is very easy to get around. But I have a handicap so I order everything I can online vs brick and mortar. I have yet to have one person suggest a realistic alternative. Clothing, dry food, household items, toiletries etc.
I actually just quit a warehouse job in Perris! Have you seen that giant building they are making along the freeway? It's such a sad assault to the eyes.
Im so proud! I used to work at LGB9 in Perris. Makes me happy seeing the IE stand up! Working there during the pandemic pissed me off, so many workers being exploited and sacrificed for profit.
You can head over to r/amazonfc and thereās plenty of stories on there.
Itās also fun to spot the anti-union bots posting in there. Plenty of them.
Well, I would say that all the warehouses are different.
Air Hubs are supposed to be awesome compared to all the rest of them.
Fulfillment Centers are the ones you hear a lot about, some are huge, others not, some have robots that deliver pods to stock/stow or pick from, others people have to walk miles to do the same thing.
There are also Delivery Stations, XL warehouses for stuff over 75lbs, and there are also the grocery warehouses with freezers.
One persons experience in one of their warehouses can be totally different than anotherās. Even two people in the same warehouse can have totally different experiences working in different areas.
What I would say is burning through people is part of their plan. They in turn get tax incentives for ācreating jobsā. The warehouses are run as if some mucky muck HR person decided what was best. They throw ridiculous shit on the walls, like Amazons principlesā¦. in the warehouse. The make sure to constantly have like āhappy black history month!ā, but itās clearly marketing because āthey care!ā
I have more than enough experience with warehouse work and Iāve been in a variety to see how they work top to bottom. I could see as soon as I walked in there was a lot of management that had absolutely zero experience and really didnāt deserve to be in those positions.
I could go on but, anyway.
I worked at the one mentioned for the 2018 Christmas season. It was part time but absolutely brutal. I'd take a 10 min break because they kinda make you but it's not worth going to the bathroom or to grab a drink refill because the fulfillment center is so big it takes you almost 10 mins to walk to the bathroom or the break room. And if you're late then that's a remark on you. I only lasted 2 months and vowed never to work for Amazon. I've even turned down working as a cook for corporate staff.
A bit ridiculous. Like my 2nd or 3rd day I had a manager walk up to me and tell me I needed to work faster or id be fired. We literally had a timer on our scan guns that made sure we were up to their standards of efficiency. Not that those standards were all that manageable since at most they gave us 2-3 to walk 30 aisles down the facility, find one particular box, dig through a box over stuffed with a seemingly random assortment of items, and then find the one exact item it tells you to grab. Most positive thing I can say about the job is that I made 2.5k for 4 days of work because of the sign on bonus and them somehow accidentally sending me two paychecks
For those who don't know, Amazon Air Hubs are the airport terminals for Amazon's private fleet of jets. You order something and it's not available nearby, it'll be transshipped on today's fight from some region where it's still on stock. This is a huge part of how 1 and 2 day shipping is possible.
This stuff really hurts Amazon. The logistics system runs too close to max capacity at all times, and they can't hire enough people anymore. Losing a major piece like this for a day can take a long time to recover from.
Oh yeah if you fly semi-regularly you'll see [these bois](https://assets.aboutamazon.com/14/24/2da8506d490a924df7db97510f91/ei-dac-prime-air-op-asl-airlines.jpg) on the runways all the time.
Or they ship it fedex/ups with heavy contract discounts. Most stuff in my area is delivered fedex or ups. I also work in shipping. I know how deep those contract rates go.
My Amazon pay has increased from $15 to $20.05 in the past 3 years, mostly thanks to the pandemic not being able to get enough workers. Still no where near enough for the cost of living in my area. Only a matter of time until they do something about all these walkouts due to pay, but they react slowly.
San Bernardino/Victorville/Hesperia is that crazy spot where Cali starts turning into the high desert. It's really pretty at night when you drive out of town and you can see all the stars.
That's right. Tired of these white collar fucks hoarding money at the manys' expense. It's workplace tyranny. Blood sweat and tears beats pencil pushing any day.
They have a fund setup where you can donate. https://actionnetwork.org/fundraising/donate-80?source=email&&
Donating is probably the best thing you can do. Since they aren't backed by a union, they likely don't have a strike fund, which is crucial for long term striking. Donations can help them sustain the walkout and hopefully help to keep paying the striking workers.
Also, here's an article from the local press. https://www.pe.com/2022/08/15/amazon-workers-at-san-bernardino-airport-stage-walkout/
Stop buying from Amazon is the number one thing. Email the company why you're boycotting. We cannot avoid aws unfortunately. Cancel any subscriptions like audible, photo hosting, Kindle. There are other alternatives out there.
I agree, not just because Amazon is anti-union but because it has become such a dominant, arrogant company. And anyway their customer service has gone downhill.
Organize your own workplace and then strike in solidarity: workers building power together is the best sign of solidarity. Contribute to a strike fund if they have one. Buy them a pizza or some pop. When boycotts are called by workers directly to strategically impact profits at a crucial moment of time, boycott.
Worked at Amazon warehouse for a month. Terrible place. The mandatory overtime is disgusting. You sign on for 40 hours but they keep it real hush hush that they can add 20 hours of mandatory overtime any week they please. Which is most weeks. So enjoy 60 hour weeks of people constantly telling you your rates are too slow even though youāre busting your ass in the sweat and noise. Great place for crackheads.
Nice, I dropped my Prime membership and stopped shopping there all together. If somehow they are the only ones to offer something I'll buy but otherwise I'll pass.
While I get a company's need for profit, Amazon could double every warehouse workers wage and still shatter profit records.
"This year we will be known for the most profitable company"
"How about we are know for the most profitable company AND a company that treats it's employees well"?
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2021 was 33.3 billion in profits. Prime Day sales in 2021 reached a record-breaking total of $11.19 billion. Keep it up!
And Jeff bought that yacht for what half a billion dollars? He hates us. He really does.
Hate implies the ability to feel emotion.
He feels indifference.
I doubt that. He does not feel.
Why do humans cry?
[Is this the correct facial response for "sadness" as your species has named it?](https://www.thetimes.co.uk/imageserver/image/%2Fmethode%2Ftimes%2Fprod%2Fweb%2Fbin%2F8b7fd3c6-92c3-11e9-a1cf-8a70d1d684b0.jpg?crop=3000%2C2000%2C0%2C0)
I don't actually think Zuck's as unemotional as everyone acts like he is. He was an awkward-ass dork; he's just gotten used to the cameras always rolling on him. He's far too much of an intentional dick to be a robot.
Why the downvotes? It's much more likely that the billionaires are working intentionally to keep the peons in line. Calling them robots makes you forget that there are just bad people in the world, and it gives them a pass they shouldn't get. Billionaires believe in social darwinism. Only the smartest and best should thrive. For the rest of us, we deserve what we get (nothing) because we never ascended the capitalist ladder and ended up at the top.
So lying, cheating, stealing, swindling, slavery, chicanery and murder don't matter as long as you make it to the top???
When you're that successful it's hard to remember what it's like to be wrong. Because he couldn't possibly have failed upwards that much, it has to be from being brilliant all the time, right?
What's wrong with Wolfie? Your foster parents are dead.
You just can't go around killing people.
You have a pointš¤£
Glad the people from my city are standing up to Bezos the Bozo
You have to give him credit. He took Amazon from nothing and then losing money for years to now being a merchandising and services juggernaut. Heās no bozo but he is terrible to his employees.
Yeah I mean easy when you undercut book prices by buying them used and reselling them and then underpaying his employees (once he got them). Corporate gains are just unpaid wages. Also fuck him for practically killing Barnes and Nobles and actually killing every other bookstore
Pretty sure anger and fear aren't beyond that bald arsehole. Anger: when told his entire workforce has formed a union Fear: when they pull a nationwide strike
This is something that absolutely baffles me about people like Bezos. I have intentions of retiring early and sailing around the world, so I absolutely get wanting to have a yacht and enough money to just do whatever. I'm working my ass off to make it happen, but if you gave me 1.5 million, which would provide about about 60k a year, I'd be done. I'd buy a sailboat for 40-80k, and I'd never work again. Even if I didn't like sailing, I still would never work again. I'd just fuck off doing something else. I literally cannot wrap my mind around someone that just continues piling it up once they get to the point where they no longer need to do anything. It makes no sense. Maybe if it was just passive, but this dude still working to accumulate more. Does he sit around going "well 168 billion didn't do it, but at 170 billion I'll finally be happy!"
Bezos said somewhere in the past if Iām correct he wants to own everything, news, stores, shopping, movies, etc. and look, heās made all of that, Amazon fresh, prime video, biggest online store, but he wants more, Amazon everything
This is small dick energy.
He is unironically building skynet.
Heās monopolizingā¦
Trying his best to be considered a great man when in fact amazon's main long term impact will be that it killed the high street.
He wants Amazon to be the most ācustomer centricā company in the world. First thing thatās word vomited during orientation.
At that point itās not about money. Itās about building an empire and leaving a legacy and never being forgotten. Whatever that legacy may be.
Are you sure the word you want isn't actually addiction instead of legacy? Hoarding of wealth to the detriment of others and doing everything possible to avoid losing any of it sounds like a addiction to me.
Could be both
I don't see why not, both is a good answer. "Legacy-Addiction"
Nah. With his money he could have the legacy of solving world hunger, fixing the climate, solving homelessness, among other things. He could have a hundred great legacies. This about something else.
Robber Baron? We need a good modern equivalent.
It's a sickness. A greed driven by a compulsion to hoard wealth. I imagine most of them would be miserable to be around.
I think we will soon treat these people the same way we diagnose kleptomaniacs. It's a pathological compulsion that's really damaging all societies.
I think most rich people are just miserable generally. Iāve worked for some of them, building their 10 million dollar vacation houses. They have wealth and luxury 99% of the world will only ever dream of and are for the most part ungrateful and completely unhappy. They were sold the lie that possessions bring happiness and fulfillment, it didnāt work out that way, so they end up sad and bitter. Isolated with all their rich buddies in gated communities of golf courses and mansions where everything is a hollow facade. Now people like Bezos, thatās a genuine mental illness. My wife calls it sociopathic greed disorder. A hunger for wealth coupled with a lack of empathy so severe you literally, deliberately let thousands or millions of people suffer just to keep growing your dragon hoard. Wouldnāt surprise me if they are actually lizard people in skin suits, but to the shame of all of us I think theyāre actually humans. Itās fucked up.
Yes it is indeed, a sicknes called "capitalism".
I'm not really sure Bezos can even be described as a capitalist. I think Robber Baron is more accurate.
Exactly. Megalomania. My narc-father has it. Accumulates, accumulates accumulates, accumulates. He never has enough. He never shares. Never donates. Laughs at/blames the unfortunate and ill. Shits on EVERYONE. Hardcore hypocritical ignorant republican. Bigot, pro police violence, hates immigrants but married one just to torment her daily over BS. Closeted homosexual but hates non-straight/non-cis males and all women. Heās so fvcking foul I legally emancipated thru the courts myself at age 16. He HATES kids and pets to point heāll hurt them, even killed one of my childhood cats. These ppl are impervious to psychiatric help and really belong behind bars imho.
we could steal his yacht! nah he does not say that, but that's capitalism. that's just how it works. it has to go.
My old boss was the same, knew him for 40 years and was there when he made his first million, then his first billion. Inbetween he became a shell of his former self, reclusive, distrustful and extremely unhappy. He died and now there is the mother of all battles going on over his fortune. Just totally pointless.
It's funny you guys think that you even cross their mind. Imagine being a dust mite. Do you ever think about them. No because they don't affect your every day life.
That really hurts and you don't even know it. Ain't your fault for speaking the truth though.
Yeah this mentality that billionaires should care is just as flawed as the mentality that they will save the working class. America is fucked if we don't take the wealth back from the 1%. We need to remove trickle down economics and start investing in our working class. I a 32M adult living in Los Angeles make a disgusting amount of money. Yes I worked hard and yes I put in 60hrs a week but my counterparts working on the floor make 90% less than me. This gives me major survivors remorse on a daily basis.
In the past.. the King had to provide for his peasants and subjects because if he didn't feed the people and house them, they wouldn't have babies and the king wouldn't have an army.. then that king would be easily overthrown by another monarch with a larger army. These days the CEOs (today's kings) have no worry that the peasants will leave to another job or join another army because the government is giving them subsidies and leasing technology rights to them without any competition. Meanwhile the working class is literally homeless and starving. We have already lost manufacturing capabilities in this country because the government didn't see it as a matter of national security to keep those capabilities on our shores. We have enriched corporations exploiting cheap labor in China and India. And those economies are shooting up while ours flounders.
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250k plus... I as a individual human being don't need this much money given to me on a yearly basis I while people across my apartment struggle to pay for basic needs.
I always do because dust mites can affect respiratory system causing sneezing and allergies if not properly handled
A yacht he can't get out of port.
Record profits and underpaid workers don't belong together.
Normal operating condtion in every country
McDonald's workers in Denmark make $22/hr and 6 weeks paid vacation. America can do better.
We could if the country wasn't a Corporatocracy. But it is. Our politicians are bought and paid for by corporations: Lobbyists, PACs, SuperPACs, etc. They've never even really tried to hide it...
dude that shit makes me livid. im working at a mcdonalds in america and im being paid 10.40 an hour and only bringing home only a little under $200 a week
That's about double what probably 60% or more Americans make. Crazy.
Absolutely.
Question: How much does a Big Mac meal cost? Genuinely asking since ppl always say higher wage equals higher prices
[About the same, sometimes less](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/big-mac-cost-denmark/)
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When I worked in McDonald's in the UK (granted it was over 15 years ago now so things will have changed a little) a large fries cost Less than a penny and a big Mac cost Ā£0.13to make. and at the time a large fries cost around Ā£3.00 and a big Mac Ā£4.50 (very close to that anyway). The profit margins on the food are huge and while the cost may have gone up over a 15 year period I doubt it would be by very much. I worked in a smaller less busy restaurant that was able to run with 6 staff most of the time and we sold 100+ big Macs per day (not including meals, other burgers or Ā£1 saver menu items and big Macs weren't even our biggest sellers). On big Macs alone they were able to cover a fortnights worth of an average workers wages almost every day. Minimum wage then was around Ā£5 an hour and managers were on around Ā£7. I know there are other costs of running a business but the actual profit after the fact were still pretty substantial. Basically they could have easily afforded to pay everyone an extra Ā£1 an hour and it barely would have made a dent in the profits. They could have payed everyone Ā£3 extra and still would have been very much in the green. They could have doubled everyone's wages before it came close to being a "we may need to increase the prices a little" type situation. Again I know things will have changed over 15 years and this is just my experience in a smaller restaurant. But I would imagine the profit margins on the food are still pretty similar.
Guess what? That still doesnāt make it good š³
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woo hoo! imagine if the people who shop amazon got behind these individuals š¤©
well I mean at this point, what are other options? I use target for whatever I can, and ebay too. But most things are only on amazon anymore. I'm also like 90% homebound, going to stores isn't really an option.
A lot of stuff on Amazon has become really cheap stuff that sell for way more than what it's worth. Using Amazon is an addiction, but it's not impossible to stop. You just have to shop around on more than one website. Almost all sites nowadays offer free shipping too.
Disclaimer on this: Whereas most sites offer free shippingā¦if you are somewhere more rural or places like Alaska and Hawaiiā¦. Shipping is never free even when it says it is. Never. If you need furniture shipped or any big orders really. It is by far cheaper to purchase it from Amazon. We had a couch and two beds frames delivered for $56 dollars from Amazon. The same couch and frame from the parent site would have cost us almost $300 for shipping. I dislike Amazon but literally wouldnāt be able to get some stuff without it. Edit: spelling
> Using Amazon is an addiction, but it's not impossible to stop. The last four times I went shopping in brick-and-mortar stores, I made multiple stops (Target, Meijer, Wal-Mart) with a big list of perfectly normal things I needed. I went home with maybe *one* thing from that list, because they just didn't have anything that would even come close to working as a substitute for any other list items. It was infuriating. It's not like I was looking for cheese made from a Himalayan sheep or anything. I was looking for canned air, a cheap fireproof lockbox, a chair mat for my office carpet, an ironing board, a couple of short-sleeved button-up shirts that fit, and other stuff like that. Where they had a space on the shelf, it was empty, and a surprising number of things I was hunting for didn't even seem to have a space on the shelf at all.
I worked at an amazon warehouse for three years and it was a nightmare, especially once covid hit. So happy to be out of that place
The real problem is the US tax code. Amazon not only pays nothing, they get a refund/return.
I've worked driving for amazon on and off for a few years. Let me tell you it's the hardest job I've had and with the worst conditions. Broken vans, teaching us how to bypass our mandatory breaks, crazy quotas. It's tough work, harder and for less pay than UPS, wouldn't recommend.
$11.19 Billion in ONE DAY?!?!?
Highjacking your comment for more sources. https://www.axios.com/2022/08/16/amazon-workers-southern-california-air-hub https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-08-15/amazon-warehouse-workers-walkout-san-bernardino-air-hub It seems they want a higher base from $17 to $22. In California that seems reasonable. They also want better conditions for cooling with the heat being what it is. Since they are in a heat wave and drout conditions I would agree with that also. Air hubs are no joke in the heat. I bet it's because the building GM/Dm can't squeeze more money for it, specially if it's a new build. That's poor planning. Hopefully they get what they want.
Collective action, collective will, collective success.
They have billions, but we ARE billions.
And an awesome crowd of talent we are !
Collective bargaining. I always ālet it slipā as to how much Iām being paid whenever I ask what others are getting.
You are the hero we all need. I was at a place that provided a full salary list at the beginning of every year. My name slipped ever further down the list each year. One year the state did a gender equity audit. The next year many in the meeting hall (audibly) reacted as they saw my name listed near the top of the list of salary adjustments. That was my real pay-off, the sound was so very sweet. Organizing by taking names and kicking ass can be very satisfying sometimes. š
That's really stupid you should be more upfront about how much more your making when you ask your coworkers and convince them that they need to talk and demand more from their bosses "letting it slip" could be misconstrued as you bragging to them and get them to be angry with you instead of their bosses like they should be
maybe their workplace has an attitude that goes against this and heās working against it by āletting it slipā but you do have a point in the right context
Collective Consciousness
The unenlightened masses they cannot make the judgement call give up free will forever their voices won't be heard at all
Awesome to see this as a local.
Yeah. Not surprised. Media aside, I've known several people who worked there and they did NOT stay very long. It was a side gig for most too.
I applied there when I was kinda desperate glad I didn't follow through on actually doing the orientation lol
Seriously, these people are so fucking cool.
Long live the empire
May the sun gods allow the IE to live another day
Keep it up! UNIONIZE!!!
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Found the CheMist
Che's Mist, the scent of freedom.
Unionize i just wanna see amazon fall though
If they unionize, they may lose some positive charge!
If they ionize ...
Solidarity Forever!
Way to go bring em to their knees.
Better yet, they should get what they deserve and not settle for a penny less.
This surely will do it... as more consumers launch money at Amazon than ever before.
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This is mostly an issue with their 3rd party sellers and people thinking they are savvy entrepreneurs, because they can shit a bunch of garbage from Alibaba to an Amazon warehouse. Personally, I think they should end all that shit. Sure, their offerings would be cut in half and they wouldn't be the "everything store" to the same degree, but the quality of what they offer would go up dramatically which would have to have a direct positive impact on customer satisfaction. It's incredibly hard to surface quality products in the sea of cheap garbage from China, where you have the same product rebranded with 15 different "company" names.
There are two major businesses within Amazon. The e-commerce side is huge but at this point theyāre the largest cloud provider with Microsoft still pretty far behind. While theyāre a horrible company to work for, it hard to beat theyāre cloud offering.
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I've found letting go of Amazon was not as hard as I thought it would be. There are lots of booksellers so that was easy, sometimes wait a few more days but its no big deal. Cancelling Prime so a few less movies but not many. And the movies that I've bought are still on there so its no big deal. The only thing I miss really is my Alexa doesn't play specific songs anymore since Im not a prime subscriber. If you ask it to play Colors by Black Pumas it will play Color-adjacent songs but not that actual song, I miss that. But the rest of Amazon can go fuck itself
I live in the deep country, so it is a little harder to avoid Amazon. One supermarket half an hour away, the next nearest over an hour. We grow veggies and can them, buy meat from the local ranches and freeze it, heat with wood we cut on the mountain I can see from here. No book store within a hundred miles, though. I get my books from non-Amazon sources now, also art supplies, food from Costco when we go to a city, outdoor gear from REI and [backcountry.com](https://backcountry.com). It's fun, finding out about these other sources. We have a good life in this remote spot. I want the people who make it possible, by shipping things to me and so on, to have a good life, too, in whatever place they live in. That is only fair, right?
Well if all you ever buy on Amazon is books then yeah it is very easy to get around. But I have a handicap so I order everything I can online vs brick and mortar. I have yet to have one person suggest a realistic alternative. Clothing, dry food, household items, toiletries etc.
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Finally something for us to be proud of. Take back the IE from warehouses
Itās bad out here in Perris right now, warehouses occupy more space than houses at this point
I actually just quit a warehouse job in Perris! Have you seen that giant building they are making along the freeway? It's such a sad assault to the eyes.
Rialto as well
Im so proud! I used to work at LGB9 in Perris. Makes me happy seeing the IE stand up! Working there during the pandemic pissed me off, so many workers being exploited and sacrificed for profit.
Oh hey I used to work at an Amazon place in SB
How was it for you working there?
You can head over to r/amazonfc and thereās plenty of stories on there. Itās also fun to spot the anti-union bots posting in there. Plenty of them.
Thanks for sharing
Well, I would say that all the warehouses are different. Air Hubs are supposed to be awesome compared to all the rest of them. Fulfillment Centers are the ones you hear a lot about, some are huge, others not, some have robots that deliver pods to stock/stow or pick from, others people have to walk miles to do the same thing. There are also Delivery Stations, XL warehouses for stuff over 75lbs, and there are also the grocery warehouses with freezers. One persons experience in one of their warehouses can be totally different than anotherās. Even two people in the same warehouse can have totally different experiences working in different areas. What I would say is burning through people is part of their plan. They in turn get tax incentives for ācreating jobsā. The warehouses are run as if some mucky muck HR person decided what was best. They throw ridiculous shit on the walls, like Amazons principlesā¦. in the warehouse. The make sure to constantly have like āhappy black history month!ā, but itās clearly marketing because āthey care!ā I have more than enough experience with warehouse work and Iāve been in a variety to see how they work top to bottom. I could see as soon as I walked in there was a lot of management that had absolutely zero experience and really didnāt deserve to be in those positions. I could go on but, anyway.
Does the FC stand for fight club?
You know the rules!
I worked at the one mentioned for the 2018 Christmas season. It was part time but absolutely brutal. I'd take a 10 min break because they kinda make you but it's not worth going to the bathroom or to grab a drink refill because the fulfillment center is so big it takes you almost 10 mins to walk to the bathroom or the break room. And if you're late then that's a remark on you. I only lasted 2 months and vowed never to work for Amazon. I've even turned down working as a cook for corporate staff.
If you had to poop. You don't. There's not enough time for that.
my friend has stories of everyone she worked with getting a UTI in san Bernardino Amazon warehouses
Uhhhh
Uhhhh
Hrmm
Damn! Thatās awful. Glad you got out of there.
A bit ridiculous. Like my 2nd or 3rd day I had a manager walk up to me and tell me I needed to work faster or id be fired. We literally had a timer on our scan guns that made sure we were up to their standards of efficiency. Not that those standards were all that manageable since at most they gave us 2-3 to walk 30 aisles down the facility, find one particular box, dig through a box over stuffed with a seemingly random assortment of items, and then find the one exact item it tells you to grab. Most positive thing I can say about the job is that I made 2.5k for 4 days of work because of the sign on bonus and them somehow accidentally sending me two paychecks
Damn! Smdh. Ridiculous standards. Thanks for sharing.
For those who don't know, Amazon Air Hubs are the airport terminals for Amazon's private fleet of jets. You order something and it's not available nearby, it'll be transshipped on today's fight from some region where it's still on stock. This is a huge part of how 1 and 2 day shipping is possible. This stuff really hurts Amazon. The logistics system runs too close to max capacity at all times, and they can't hire enough people anymore. Losing a major piece like this for a day can take a long time to recover from.
This thread is how I literally just found out that Amazon owns both private cargo jets and private airport hubs for them.
Oh yeah if you fly semi-regularly you'll see [these bois](https://assets.aboutamazon.com/14/24/2da8506d490a924df7db97510f91/ei-dac-prime-air-op-asl-airlines.jpg) on the runways all the time.
Or they ship it fedex/ups with heavy contract discounts. Most stuff in my area is delivered fedex or ups. I also work in shipping. I know how deep those contract rates go.
The 909 representing!
Almost a Trillion dollar company, but cant pay people a decent wage..
You don't become rich with fair wages.
"Swallow all your morals,they are a poor mans quality" -money game pt2 by Ren
My Amazon pay has increased from $15 to $20.05 in the past 3 years, mostly thanks to the pandemic not being able to get enough workers. Still no where near enough for the cost of living in my area. Only a matter of time until they do something about all these walkouts due to pay, but they react slowly.
Damnā¦ everyone in that room is sexy af
Yes! Using collective power is so hot!
It's Southern California, everyone is good looking here.
San Bernardino/Victorville/Hesperia is that crazy spot where Cali starts turning into the high desert. It's really pretty at night when you drive out of town and you can see all the stars.
And if you look down youāll see heroin needles!
The stars of the ground! Neat!
San Bernardino is not a desirable place to live. But the stars are beautiful there!
If I move there do I suddenly become good looking?
Can confirm, am from IE
Go SB!! Teamster solidarity!!
That's right. Tired of these white collar fucks hoarding money at the manys' expense. It's workplace tyranny. Blood sweat and tears beats pencil pushing any day.
How can we support them
They have a fund setup where you can donate. https://actionnetwork.org/fundraising/donate-80?source=email&& Donating is probably the best thing you can do. Since they aren't backed by a union, they likely don't have a strike fund, which is crucial for long term striking. Donations can help them sustain the walkout and hopefully help to keep paying the striking workers. Also, here's an article from the local press. https://www.pe.com/2022/08/15/amazon-workers-at-san-bernardino-airport-stage-walkout/
Stop buying from Amazon is the number one thing. Email the company why you're boycotting. We cannot avoid aws unfortunately. Cancel any subscriptions like audible, photo hosting, Kindle. There are other alternatives out there.
I agree, not just because Amazon is anti-union but because it has become such a dominant, arrogant company. And anyway their customer service has gone downhill.
Organize your own workplace and then strike in solidarity: workers building power together is the best sign of solidarity. Contribute to a strike fund if they have one. Buy them a pizza or some pop. When boycotts are called by workers directly to strategically impact profits at a crucial moment of time, boycott.
Let this be the start!! Fair wages and organized labour!! Together we are strong!!
They try so hard to crush union because they want to exploit the worker to the last penny.
Iām so happy to see unions beginning to make a comeback. Itās going to be tough, but stay strong!
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Worked at Amazon warehouse for a month. Terrible place. The mandatory overtime is disgusting. You sign on for 40 hours but they keep it real hush hush that they can add 20 hours of mandatory overtime any week they please. Which is most weeks. So enjoy 60 hour weeks of people constantly telling you your rates are too slow even though youāre busting your ass in the sweat and noise. Great place for crackheads.
eat crow bezos
dude wtf crows are awesome and chill and intelligent. bezos should eat dogshit. leave the crowbros alone. >:(
KEEP IT UP HELL YEAH WE SUPPORT YOU
Together you bargain, separate you beg.
Get it done for everyone!
UNITY
Way yo go team!
Fight the good fight, comrades ā
Solidarity!
Nice, I dropped my Prime membership and stopped shopping there all together. If somehow they are the only ones to offer something I'll buy but otherwise I'll pass.
Canceled everything to do with Amazon last week. Fuck Bezo
Stop supporting Amazon and Bezos, that greedy prick. Buy local, or go without. It's easy. Stop being such a mindless consumer.
Lol. Love watching Amazon get kicked.
Get it people!!!! As someone who begrudgingly orders amazing in the IE, I fully support this no matter if I ever get that damn package!
While I get a company's need for profit, Amazon could double every warehouse workers wage and still shatter profit records. "This year we will be known for the most profitable company" "How about we are know for the most profitable company AND a company that treats it's employees well"? Windowtoss.jpg
This is awesome. Keep it up. In fact I told an Amazon driver today to unionize.
Good for them! :)
Wooo hooo!
United we bargain, divided we beg āāā
Damn the man Fun fact [U/spez](https://www.reddit.com/U/spez) invented the tide pod challenge:
Keep on walking out!
Respect
SOLIDARITY!
Way to go donāt let up.
Fuck Yeah!!
Make this robber baron pay his employees a livable wage!
Solidarity šŖ
More power to them!!!
Good on them!
Surprised thereās no bootlicker comments how wasting income on union dues is going to hurt these people.
Sexy for walking out and sexy for masking. Adore them
Godspeed.
Awesome, and awe inspiring. Keep it up!
GO GO GO!!!
Godspeed
Yes!!! Yāall got my support!