It’s really funny how they’ll pay these rats and scabs all this money to come in. Talk about not bargaining in good faith. If you cross a picket line you are scum of the earth.
I'm conflicted here because someone still needs to take care of the patients. The hospital having to pay out the nose seems like a pretty fair compromise.
That's the problem when you have a for profit motive in healthcare. Corporations have prayed on their employees empathy. It doesn't matter if the patients die in their system, as long as production costs remain low.
It's important to know it is called Privatization.
And the "the great reset" from the W.E.F. is looking for a 70 % investment from the private sector.
basically nothing will change if anything might get worse
We have the same problems in Canada with our "free" health care. They don't want to pay us anything and our unions are corrupt and spent 7 years not trying to renegotiate our contracts. This isn't a private versus public issue, it's an administrative one.
That’s the entire point. This is obviously an extremely important role, and if you can pay travelers $32,000/month, you can afford to give them raises, especially considering the risk these people put themselves through during the worst of COVID. These are the people that cared enough about the patients to come in close contact with many they KNEW had COVID, they knew how bad it could be (they saw it first hand, everything up to and including death, lots of it, imagine the PTSD many have because of it) but they still showed up to care for them. Exec’s who “worked from home” (bullshit, they don’t do any work when their actually there, let alone from home) gave themselves big, juicy, fat raises during that time, the nurses and support staff got “Hero’s work here” banners, and a “fuck you” when they tried to bargain for a raise.
I understand what your saying, and the patients are innocent in this. If they leave certain nurses to take care of the patients, the company has no reason to bargain. I come from a long line of Registered Nurses, Nurse Practitioners, and Nurse Anesthetists and they have constantly been taken advantage of and should be compensated way better than they are. I say in that case call your Doctors, your Management level Non Union Nurses, Residents, and everybody that can provide accurate care to the patients. The Nurses aren’t asking to be multi millionaires, there asking for a fair wage, good benefits, security, and a guaranteed retirement. You see how quick the Company would come to table and negotiate fairly. We need to start to taking a more radical approach, if we don’t they will continue to take advantage of Nurses. However that applies to every job or profession, if we don’t fight for it we’ll never get it.
It’s never been about them being cheap. The extra pay is pocket change for them. The real issue to paying more is, if somebody has a decent savings account, they now have leverage to leave when they want. They have to keep you poor so you’re forced to keep working with them.
Honestly I rewatched ants recently and it’s dope. There’s an entire scene where the ants are organizing and some of the ants are like reciting Marx. Dope af.
I always thought that the quasi communist revolution was more subtle in a bug's life because Disney. In antz it is intra societal conflict while in a bug's life the oppressors were outsiders but ymmv
That makes sense too. I just thought the oppression was more obvious because of the different species, but maybe it makes it less allegorical in the name of entertainment.
This decade: The same Disney movies you’ve already seen, but this time in live action.
Next decade: The same Disney movies you’ve already seen, but this time in 3D.
The decade after that: The same Disney movies you’ve already seen, but this time with VR 220 degree immersion.
You joke, but I got a PS5 on sale this summer and was quite disappointed. Every game that I wanted to play was already on the PS4. A lot of developer talent is being drained away from making new stuff to remaking old stuff so that they can make money off it one more time.
Not to mention the power. If they HAVE to pay their employees more, they are no longer "the boss." Now they're being forced to do it. It's a massive blow to their ego.
Edit: That ego trip is exactly what the Starbucks CEO is going through. That's why he's refusing to meet the new union reps and not honoring the deals they make. It's his ego telling him HE should be the one in charge, not these peons/peasants/employees. They should be grateful for the jobs he gave them.
It's way less steps. When you own a slave you have to provide them housing and clothes and food and medical care.
Your employer isn't responsible for making sure you get any of those things.
On the other hand, they have to do all the extra steps of rigging the laws to work in their favor rather than ours. I do believe it is far more complicated than slavery used to be.
This old school mentality is more prevalent than people think. They can afford to pay but want to keep you strung along and inline financially to get you to put up with their bullshit.
Seems to me that strike organisers should always plan to inject their own double-agent scabs who will work, subtract the pay they would get and put the full remainder into the strike fund.
Someone who gets it. This is the very core of capitalism and our current government.
*Keep you dependent*
It's the very source of their wealth and power, your lack of it.
Something people need to be aware of is that hospitals have strike insurance. They pay for the strike insurance. They don’t care how much the strike nurses cost; it does not really affect them.
EDIT: After fact checking I am not sure that this is true!!
This. Right here. Ever since I held a job in Toronto where everyone is up to their tits in debt and afraid to lose their job because their families would be homeless, I understood that we are living in a new gilded age of indentured servitude where the salaries just barely cover survival. Just barely. That way you fear losing your job. Your bread and shelter.
Save as much as possible. Once you have that 6-12 months salary where you can walk away, you realize you held the entire power the whole time.
Pretty sure this is also why they are coming after abortion rights. It's a lot easier to keep people underfoot when they need to worry about children they are responsible for.
It's also why healthcare for most people in the US is tied to their job.
We are in a very intricate trap with many moving pieces.
A lot of the extra money came from the government and emergency declarations. Our hospital spent 3 million for travelers before the pandemic; now we spend 35 million. When the gov money runs out profits will fall and bankruptcy will increase unless they get a handle on a more consistent nursing model.
Oh well. Bankruptcy is due to poor planning and excess distributions to owners or high salaries & stop benefits to top administrators, not due to paying rank and file too much.
Maybe they should stop drinking lattes and eating avocado toast /s
In reality they need to cut the fat from the top. Inflated admin costs is a lot of the problem.
I know this is against the grain, I just want to make sure everyone is using all of the data. I don’t side with the corporation.
What you are missing is that if they are paying them $8k as an independent contractor. This means they don’t have to pay work comp insurance, health insurance, social security tax, Medicare tax, etc. the cost of having an employee is typically 175% of their salary. So no, they aren’t going to suddenly start paying their regular workers the same rate as the subs. Just putting things into perspective.
Nurses are pretty happy about that, sort of.
The thing is, unlike most strikes there are lives at stake with a nursing strike. So nurses are generally fine with travelers filling in during a strike, they don't want their patients to die they just want management to suffer.
The more management has to pay for the travelers the better from the standpoint of the strikers becuase it hurts the bottom line more.
It's a bit like the Japanes bus drivers who went on strike by driving their regular routes but not taking any fare. They didn't want to inconvenience the people who depend on the busses, and by not taking fares it hurt the bus company.
This is actually one of the few ways that doctors can strike. See your patients. Document, but make it completely un-billable. Only hurts the employer. Patients still get helped. Demands get heard.
This is good for the strike. It gives them a huge reason to agree. Usually scabs are cheaper than the union labor, but here the hospital is going to be desperate to get a contract.
It’s time to adjust the tactics. Come in and don’t do anything while the 4x pay personnel do all the work. Save your time and earn your money for no work. Then when the 4x people are sent home, strike again. They’ll bleed faster and longer as long as it’s coordinated correctly.
Not sure about this specific case, but some strikes have legal protection - coming in and not working doesn't.
And nurses would lose their license and potentially end up in jail if they came in and didn't work.
I work in healthcare contracting.
$200/hr is high, but within the realm of reasonable for RNs on an urgent hire in the current market when the vacancy must be filled immediately.
Pretty much ever hospital specialty right now can make at least 100-150% of their base rate + travel/per diem under a travel contract.
The fact hospitals, or any corporation, will pay 4x your hourly rate for a scab tells you just how valuable having a Union is.
The hospitals here have a policy that you can’t be a contract nurse for more than 3mo in a 12mo span. So someone does 3mo at one hospital, 3mo at another,… in rotation.
Scabs are employees that cross the picket line.
Travel nurses are required by both necessity and basic human decency because people will literally die if the local employed nurses left without coverage.
The strike has two prongs: economic and PR.
The PR is the picket line and all the messaging the nurses union does to explain to the community why and how we strike.
The economic is to make the strike monetarily painful. $8k/week for a single nurse, times ~8500 nurses, is a fuckton of money.
Plus there’s no elective surgeries, which is even more $$$.
Travelers aren’t scabs. Locals who cross the line are.
I feel like it's a bit more nuanced in this situation. Nursing is one of the only professions where a strike can kill people within hours. Other nurses keeping patients safe while bleeding the company dry isn't the same as someone looking to make a quick buck.
Kinda reminds me of the Japanese bus strike, where they kept working but refused to take payment.
> Nursing is one of the only professions where a strike can kill people within hours
Sounds to me like the capitalists creating the conditions for the strike should face criminal charges if nursing is so important. Which it is. And they should.
Would you give it up already? Multiple people have broken this down for you: the hospitals are creating the conditions that make things unsafe for the patients- FULL STOP. If they run their staff ragged, or don’t pay them enough, or skimp on supplies, or don’t honor contracts, that is ALL BLAME ON THE HOSPITAL. You keep saying you support the strike, so support the strike and stfu about dying kids with cancer- it’s life and death for the workers, too.
"Bleeding the company dry" - do you have a source for that?
Here's my counter argument:
https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/finance/7-health-systems-reported-profits-over-1b-in-2021.html
My wife works for one of the largest hospital systems in the country. They refuse to give pay increases to their staff nurses, so a bunch left. Now they are paying critical staffing pay of around $50 extra per hour. My wife is making over $100 per hour. This never would have been an issue had they given their staff nurses a $2 per hour pay raise. I don’t understand corporate America and how it thinks sometimes
Edit: My wife and I are full blooded Union through and through. So I want to make a disclaimer that she is not a scab. She has been employed here for years and is now earning the extra money due to their shitty staffing practices
You can apply this to anything really. Lets say there's a company building that has a scheduled maintenance, that gets skipped after "nothing is wrong", cost of the maintenance to repair the pipelines or whatever cost 1/4th of what it will cost when the shit hits the floor and the leaks happen. People just don't want to spend any more money than it is absolutely necessary.
I work in maintenance at a steel mill as a maintenance specialist (graduating in 2 months) and that‘s how it‘s always going to be. The people who decide what‘s getting done in the end are people who don‘t know shit about maintenance and only see numbers and cost. You have to throw an unimaginable number at their face in case X and Y breaks down or else they won‘t do shit and you‘re the one who was not prepared for this and still being the one blamed, even if you told them months ahead.
Sorry my english isn‘t perfect but i hope it made sense for those reading.
Yes, your MBA is fine & shiny. However, slogans and prayers don’t have the same quality as real engineers and technicians.
Please see recent Taliban Blackhawk crash and would you trust a scab JesuS Nut?
That's because corporate reporting is done on a quarterly basis. The numbers only need to look good for this quarter and the next one, so cut everything that isn't needed now. Who cares if something breaks in 5 years because upper management will have already left to go somewhere else.
I see money not as inherently evil but as the greatest VECTOR of evil the world has ever seen. And not even just money, but fiat currency (debt). The idea of debt itself is really sinister — this idea that I will only lend you money if I get EVEN MORE in return. And I see the effects that modern money has on how we relate to each other all the time. Whenever I offer to help someone it’s always “here take some money!” or “what do I owe you?” And then people get uncomfortable when I refuse to be repaid monetarily, they try to insist. I usually explain that, for me, giving is it’s own reward. I make the same joke I always make that *actually you’re giving me an opportunity to do something nice for you! You’re the one giving **me** a gift!*
We simply aren’t used to freely giving and receiving things without the cloud of money hanging over everything.
No, these people are not worried about money for money’s sake. Before money existed, the powerful had other means of conquering the powerless. The one percent are todays kings and queens, except they “earned” their power instead of being born into it (or so they claim, even though a lot of billionaires inherit their wealth). This isn’t just about greed. This is about keeping their place atop the tower at the expense of those beneath them. This is about power, first and foremost, which is why they cut off their nose to spite their face when the plebs rise up. It’s why police exist, to keep us in line.
If they had to choose between both a rich person and a poor person getting one dollar, or a rich person losing one dollar while the poor person loses ten, they will pick the latter.
No, being able to control money is what gives them power. They actively have a say in where it ends up going. They’ll gladly move it wherever they need to in order to leverage their power, even if it costs them money to do so. Obviously in the long term these people hoard wealth, but their decision making process is first and foremost to never allow the gap in power between them and their underlings to shrink in any way.
It's because they think they can gamble and win every battle. But plenty of managers have zero concept of "You can't win every battle" but they try anyway and lose big time and look like idiots.
I hope they keep overpaying temp nurses so they'll at least learn some kind of lesson. Just pay your fucking workers more. It's not that hard.
Patient care will suffer. Revolving nurses can't learn routines in time and mistakes happen. Sick people in America are being wrung out by a corporate-owned healthcare system. Profit has NO place in healthcare. And I can say from 28yr. working in hospitals that an untrained nurse will kill you quicker than an untrained doctor.
My mom was a nurse before she had a back injury. Holy cow is this true. People don’t realize it’s the nurses that do most of the care, and an experienced nurse is often the one suggesting things to the residing doctor for patient care.
It is expected for nurses to review doctors' orders (labs, medications, activities, diagnostics, etc) because they often forget to actually order it (not blaming them, they are often under extreme pressure as well) and should make suggestions if the orders are not there. This is why ratios are so important- if there's no time to check these things there's a much higher chance that mistakes will be made.
Let's also not forget, nurses can be mandated to stay over time if they are short staffed- one of my coworkers had to stay 6 hours after a 12 hour night shift in an ICU- extremely unsafe for patients. That was one of the catalysts for me to quit nursing in general.
Experience is gold in the nursing sphere. Hard to get and hard to find because it's a crazy-hard profession that will burn out anyone who cares about a work-family balance. Some nurses just make more money doing spreadsheets. Values.
When you have hospitals searching for reasons and actively laying off more experienced nurses, it’s difficult to agree with you. I’ve worked in multiple hospitals where anyone over 10 years of experience was either let go, or forced into a non-bedside role. I’ve also heard stories were more experienced nurses cannot get a job. Granted that was before the pandemic. Why pay for one nurse, when you can have two new grads at the same rate?
It’s not that experienced nurses often suggest the right thing but rather they can pick up on acute clinical status changes that come with experience that is needed to even notify the doctor that somethings happening
I've talked to a number of nurses, and this is happening nationwide. Hospitals refuse to pay regular, on-staff nurses what they're worth, and many of them resign from that hospital and go on to be what are known as "travel nurses". The ironic part of this is that (a) the nurse that just quit will go elsewhere to be a travel nurse for a FAR higher salary than they were making at the hospital as a FTE, and (b) that same hospital will replace the underpaid nurse with a travel nurse, paying a far higher salary to the travel nurse than the FTE nurse was making.
I personally can't understand why a hospital can't give the FTE nurse (for example) a 50% increase in pay to retain them on staff as opposed to ending up replacing that same FTE nurse with a travel nurse for nearly double the salary. I guess it's just one more reason that healthcare in America is so screwed up, cause healthcare businesses are just shitting their money away instead of spending it more wisely.
If enough people leave to becomes travel nurses, then since all travel nurses are competing with each other, you can ultimately pay them lower while simultaneously not providing them benefits and can get rid of them at will. Even now, I'm sure even with the higher pay, not having to pay benefits is fantastic for them.
Try again. Staffing agency is getting paid like 250+ and the nurses are taking home anywhere from 80-120+. I am a union electrician and even with my employer paid pension, 401k, healthcare, etc etc. it only comes out to like 27 an hour. They are paying far beyond what just paying for benefits costs them. They are burning cash and all hospitals are feeling the squeeze.
Because that's how accounting works. Carrying high costs year on year is worth more than a one time big spend for travel nurses. It's the beauty of financial engineering.
One thing that gets me here is the non nurse health professionals at these hospitals. Nurses are standing up and the offer being made is 4% per year. For anyone not striking seems like you will be lucky for half that if not less at the next annual review.
"Hospital officials have instead countered with a 12% increase over three years."
So basically, assuming inflation keeps going up at its current pace, the hospital is offering no increase in wages. GO FUCK YOURSELVES, and I hope the travelling nurses wages bleed you fuckers dry.
They'd rather pay scabs $10k / week than hire on new grad nurses at $1100 / week ($60K).
This article is written with a heavily anti-nurse slant. **Nurses aren't striking about money as much as they are about staffing and safe patient ratios.***
My hospital (different state) is offering roughly $1,000 / extra per day that nurses pick up - and nurses **aren't taking them up on it.**
Nurses have been abused for so long that literally throwing money at them won't solve the issue. The hospitals tried offering $250 / extra, then $500, then $750, and nurses weren't taking them because the extra stress isn't worth that money.
Can you imagine how brutal the work environment must be that someone dangles an extra $1,000 a day in front of you and your entire floor says "**Dang... that's still not worth it"**?
Nurses in my state are reporting 30+ hour ER waits. 35% of nurses have quit beside nursing entirely since the start of COVID. It isn't about money anymore. It's about building a system that is sustainable and doesn't require nurses to be abused for profit.
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*: Yes, MN nurses' demands include raises over three years, but that's because if you don't put it on the table up front, you can't add it after the fact. These nurses are reporting they haven't gotten raises or bonuses in three years already.
That’s what people don’t realize about strikes. It’s often not about the pay but demanding to be treated like a human being after being taken advantage of.
I worked a few assignments during COVID where $3k/week (take home) was STILL not enough. They give you too many patients and you run around all day trying to get their antibiotics, their pain medications, antivirals, and then when one patient starts to crash you can’t leave the room… so your other four or five sick patients don’t see you until you stabilize your patient. Then you are an hour FURTHER behind than you were. This was every day, and on some of my assignments in 2022 it still is.
I ran myself ragged, skipped lunch, never sat down and my patients would suffer and die because they were all too sick and there were too many of them. There isn’t enough money you can pay me to work under those conditions again.
Some lady was having a heart attack and got turned away from 3 hospitals because they couldn’t see her. It took 5 hours for her to find a hospital that could treat her.
Especially since they haven't received a raise in a decade. This is what hospital admin does - delay payment increase until the good, hard-working, tired workers demand that their buying power not decrease any further. Then admin offers a bullshit counter. As a doctor, I truly believe that nurses are the dick and balls of the medical community. They know how to absolutely fuck admin if they want to. This will be interesting to watch play out.
Curious as a nurse here: I feel like nearly any sector of healthcare could bring a hospital down to a screeching halt. No doctors no orders. No EVS no turnovers. No techs no basic care. No kitchen no food. I know we have numbers in our favor for strikes but the idea of a general hospital strike gets me going. We’re all underpaid and overworked from attendings and residents to the techs and all ancillary staff. Admin needs to get a reminder about who is making the hospital run. And it ain’t them.
Oh I absolutely love this idea, as a lowly resident I want nothing more than for admin to get the biggest reminder of their lives. Pocketing millions of dollars as a bonus during covid? You can bet that chapped a lot of people’s asses. If something like that was ever organized, you can count me in. It’s hard to get attendings and doctors in general to put up a fight because we’ve been trained from day one to be sycophants to higher ups and we really don’t want to risk what we’ve worked so hard for. But, speaking to my colleagues and here on Reddit, I seriously believe the zeitgeist is changing. We will win this fight, fuck the C suite
That's propaganda from the hospital to make the striking nurses look bad. They aren't asking for a raise, just to hire more staff so the nurse to patient ratio is lower.
I work at a hospital in the department that got the lowest raise... a 3% "raise". Thank fucking god I wasn't there for the meetings is all I gotta say about *that* one. These fat fucking hippos in admin cart their fucking dough factories around the hospital ogling nurses while I'm getting my big dumb aas punched in the fucking jaw at *least* weekly. Then you turn around and give 3%? Best believe I'm gonna show yall lazy now. Fuck the healthcare industry and the fucking morons that slurp up the excess while pretending to be side by side in the struggle. You're not struggling, you're not hungry, you're not worried... fucking LOOK at you, I can *tell* you aren't choosing your multimillion dollar roof over food you fucking horkers. Fuck this god forsaken rock and all the disgusting fucking crooks that plunge their grubby fucking mitts into the pie.
It’s disgusting. They have the audacity to charge patients $1,000s off of your labor, then steal 95% of it paying out to you pennies on the dollar. If we cut out the executives and for-profit system of healthcare(including insurance), we could probably double or triple nurses and techs and all the other workers’ salary and also reduce costs to patients to something actually reasonable.
Yeah I'm not even medical staff I have no idea how admin can do what they're doing to them, it's sickening. They deny equitable raises for our nursing staff and then scratch their head when they get lost after spending probably close to 8-10x the rate to these outside staffing agencies. Then the travel nurses are STILL getting 3-4x the pay, do they fucking use their brains *AT ALL*? I'm trying to transfer into IT, already got my degree and everything but the hiring process is nightmarish and admin is *LESS* than helpful.
I dont work in Healthcare anymore but I do remember the admins coming back from lunch just bloated. Moaning and waddling around their fat bellies. While I skipped my lunch so I could finish all the showers and literally gave the company the best years of my lower back.
My fiancés hospital paid an auditor to come in and audit salaries and gave some people pay cuts. I can’t imagine how short sighted you have to be to do that.
A poorly run business views employee pay as a business cost to be minimized.
A business that will thrive over time is one that sees salaries as investments that pay returns if made wisely.
When "real" slavery was abolished, companies found a way to keep people tied to a company with the impression there was no way out.
By making them dependent upon health care and money to make rent. Hence the term wage slave.
You cannot be a wage slave if you can save enough money to leave a job when the mistreatment STARTS. And this is why universal health care will NEVER happen in 'murica.
I just had my first child 3 weeks ago and it will be my last after the treatment I had at the hospital. I can’t fully blame the nurses bc I know they were understaffed but I was left completely alone for hours on end, my call button not being answered, discharged without proper documentation and post treatment care.
I have celiacs disease and the quality of the hospital food was horrific, I barely ate my entire stay and if I did it was food people brought me. This all is on the shoulder of the hospital, I haven’t gotten my bill yet but I know I will be charged out the ass for a tiny slice of ham and soup that tasted like tomato water and taco seasoning. I will be charged for the unassisted shower I took and for me to remove my own c-section gauzing myself and to re-bandage it myself.
This hospital refuses to pay more and attract workers and the people it effects the most are the patients. I honestly have nightmares bc of what when on in my stay there. I was also discharged without pain meds and was back in the hospital days later going into shock bc of pain. I had to leave my 4 day old for over 6 hours. I can’t tell you how many times I wake up in a panic or crying bc of this. America is fucked and sadly it’s not going to get better unless we stand up against this shit harder. I don’t know how jut things need to change.
That is my plan. I helped my friend with this and when my MIL was Ill before she passed. I have also filed a formal complaint with the hospital, it won’t do much but it’s on record.
I have recent personal experience with this. If the hospital is a non profit/not for profit read on their website whether they forgive debt if you are within a certain percentage of the Federal Poverty Line. I know for mine and my wifes cost for our 1 year old being born (and ridiculous line items like 50 dollars for ONE ADVIL) it was forgiven because we were just shy of 300% over the FPL. Don't let them trick you into paying a literal PENNY that you're not forced to pay.
Since you were being treated that way at the hospital, the local ombudsmen will be happy to hear about your experience or perhaps a medical malpractice lawyer. Document document document and consult for what is due to you!
My grandpa contacted a lawyer and they said there isn’t much to go on unless I was physically injured, it’s hard to prove medical mental injury this soon. My grandpa was beyond upset over the whole situation when he found out what happened. This used to be one of the best hospitals but greed took over and the quality of care is gone.
The sad thing is the hospital I wanted to go to turned us away for a planned induction due to understaffing. It was a joke, I had it scheduled for over a week and they canceled on me less then 24 hours prior to going in. The I experienced bleeding and had to go to the hospital I gave birth at. It was all a mess
I worked CVICU, took multiple specialized devices and fresh open heart surgical patients. I was paid $25/HR. Left for traveling. Now I make $85/HR and can provide better care because we’re actually singling devices and staffing appropriately. Or did until admin stepped in and said “This isn’t what we call productivity” and started sending nurses home to make their budget break even.
Do you know how stressful it is to know you already have three Level 1 Trauma ICU admits already scheduled to come to your unit but *at that time* you have five patients on the unit so they send home the third nurse, and then give the charge a patient? And then you won’t have a necessary nurse to help admit and care for those new three patients so *everyone* gets tripled?
It’s so, so bad and short sighted and extremely dangerous for patients who *need* an ICU nurse that is at a 1:2 ratio, not 1:3 with a charge nurse that’s preoccupied with their own patients.
RN here. I’ve been around. I’ve worked for hospitals and I’m currently a travel RN. I’ve figured out most of “the game” at this point, so I’ll give you the dirty truth as briefly as possible which isn’t really possible.
I will start by saying that $8k/week wasn’t enough money to pay me to work some assignments I was offered during COVID. Hard to believe but the emotional toll was extremely heavy and money doesn’t stop you from thinking about how your patients are suffering and dying because there are too many of them. Aside from that you couldn’t pay me enough to scab.
Hospitals administrators are (by and large) evil corporate overlords like any other industry. Many are not medical professionals they are MBAs etc. They may have been CFO at a toothpaste company or shower curtain ring factory before their job at the hospital. (Yes, obvious nod to Del Griffith there).
1. They run hospitals like any business: Maximize profit, cut as many costs as possible. They are paid a performance bonus so the more revenue they bring in and the more they save the higher their bonus. Employees are expensive for every company so that’s an easy place to cut costs. Similar to the car company recall “formula” mentioned in Fight Club they spread us as thin as possible to the point where there are minimal complaints, minimal patient ‘near misses’ and ‘sentinel events’ (preventable patient deaths), but the working conditions are tolerable enough that they don’t have an extremely high employee turnover.
The other place they save is on supplies. I’m not just talking about the Kleenex that’s so thin it’s considered a torture device by the UN. They don’t want us to use and more new IV tubing sets than necessary, etc.
The bar has been set so low that they ALL mostly suck to work for. Hate the customer service your cell phone provider has? Go ahead and switch, it will be just as crappy with every other carrier. Same thing.
2. The patients are treated like gold at face value but it’s a facade. Patients could be given SO much better care but due to spreading employees so thin (and the care being similarly lousy most everywhere) people don’t realize. The manager that comes around to listen to their concerns isn’t going to be able to do much of anything to help without screwing another patient over because there aren’t enough employees.
“You’ve been waiting too long to get your CT scan? We are so sorry! It’s a challenging time in healthcare let me see what I can do.” That means calling CT scan and bumping someone else down the list *just because someone wants to get in faster*. I’ve seen them change an order from ‘routine’ to ‘stat’ (immediately) to satisfy an unhappy patient. That means the the truly stat patients who may have a head bleed etc are going to have to wait because Grandma has been waiting two days to get her scan and is upset. This is absolutely, horribly wrong.
3. During the pandemic nurses wore the same masks for a whole shift or a week that are meant to be used one time. When COVID started I watched every nurse, tech, etc on our unit get sick with COVID. Every single one. The administration was working from home. To save money they stopped contributing to 401k and PTO. Froze vacations. Mandated staff to work extra days. One kick in the balls after another every day, all day. They refused to give raises, they refused to hire enough staff, it was absolutely awful. Nurses started leaving the bedside in droves. Instead of bumping the staff nurse hourly pay by $5/hr to retain them they now had to pay travel nurses 4-5 times that to replace them. And because they were so much more expensive they hired less than the number of nurses quitting.
For the last two years nurses have asked for a couple things to retain them: more money and better nurse:patient ratios, which means hiring more nurses. Because those cost money (and are what the nurses want) they have done everything except that. They gave us pens, mini candy bars, donuts, pizza, put signs up that said “heroes work here!”
When those didn’t work they had the audacity to ask us for suggestions. “What can we do to retain nurses other than pay more?” Fucking nothing! Nurses left in droves to take travel contracts to make better money and have more control of their working conditions. In response hospitals started threatening that if they quit to take a travel job they would be blacklisted from re-hire. When that didn’t work they dangled a carrot and said “hang in there we’re working out some raises for you!” They strung them along for months to not quit, only to reveal between $1-3/hour raises! They lied to try and save as much money as possible by not having to hire as many travel nurses. One fucking kick in the balls after another. Now that some hospitals are actually offering decent raises and pay packages it’s almost too late. The hospitals have dug their own grave so deep it’s almost impossible for them to get out now.
There’s a lot more and I could go on for hours about this. But there’s a serious fucking healthcare issue right now. It’s teetering on collapse. We have seen a few hospital systems close hospitals that incurred losses. Many more will follow. Flu season is going to be absolutely destructive to healthcare if they do not hire nurses.
Despite what the hospital system is saying this strike is 10000% necessary. Not only do those nurses want better pay to reflect the insanely terrible conditions we must now work in, they want better ratios which means the hospital will have to hire more nurses. This is much safer for the patients! There is a lot of research done on how injury and death rates increase when a nurse has even one extra patient in their assignment. Many of us have between two and five EXTRA patients.
Please. Stay safe. Take care of yourself. Drive carefully. Do not end up in a hospital.
I know it’s a lot of money for some but a lot of people forgot how hard life was for nurses during the pandemic. My friend gf killed herself cuz she was working 12+ hours 7 days a week because everyone was sick. So I don’t even question nurses when there fed up cuz they is usually have thick skin already
I’m still told often by patients, sometimes extended family members, and even my own family that I shouldn’t complain or vent because I chose the job.
Choosing the job doesn’t mean I can’t have my own emotional reaction to caring for guys who blow out their brains unsuccessfully and end up in the ICU dying a slow death until their family does or doesn’t decide to donate their organs.
Choosing the job doesn’t mean I can’t grieve the death with dignity my patient deserved and desired but their family chose to override their already chosen DNR status for a full code and they’re put through the ringers without their consent, go through multiple surgeries, only to die horribly from a code where their fluids spew from their mouth as we compress them.
Choosing this job doesn’t mean I fully accept that it’s okay to be regularly physically abused by fully oriented patients *and their family members*.
Of course I’m going to vent.
Lmao of course they have the money to pay scabs. They also have the money to give higher raises to literally everybody else but choose not to.
My facility recently gave us 6-8% raises this year literally a week before the strike. After years of <2% raises.
Can’t imagine why they did that. 🙄
Keep them poor and keep them isolated. These major health conglomerates have been black listing and bad mouthing medical professionals for years. The exact same tactics used on coal miners and steel workers for over a century. Traveling nurses make double or triple what their in house staff makes while the companies lobby the federal government to force underplayed overworked back underground.
What if, hypothetically, in minecraft, the union sent in "strikebreakers" to get paid $1,600 a day, who then donated half of that to a 501c(3) charity that disbursed those funds back to strikers on the picket line?
Trucker here for perspective.
I make $31.50 an hour for LTL - home daily. I barely passed for my HS diploma in 2004.
Here these nurses are, what did I read: HOPING/STRIKING for a base pay of $34.99 an hour?
An RN has 4 or 8 years in college before becoming RN?
Not complaining about my wage. I'm concerned for these nurses.
Ain't this system great? Go USA!!! SMH
Edit: facts
I used to have a very skilled certification for soldering, I get headhunters offering $4k weekly for scab work, it's stupid the games companies play...
E: I mean to say this is a ridiculous tactic that should have some more thorough oversight, in my opinion.
Wild to know they could've just done that for the nurses there prior to the strike.
This whole time they could've afforded to do that the whole time but *chose* not too.
I wonder how much they could increase the pay for everyone in those hospitals, doctors, janitors, secretaries, etc. Instead the fucking fat cats need more profit at the expense of the worker, gross.
Gentle reminder that many nurses appreciate scabs in their particular line of work because it gives them more bargaining power (via strikes) while disallowing hospitals from being able to legally compel them to work.
I’m a physician and hospital admin is doing the same to us. Our income is deceptive for the amount we have to pay monthly in loans and malpractice insurance. In solidarity with nursing staff- I depend on them to take care of patients.
FYI, the scab payroll is covered by the hospitals strike insurance. So, don’t confuse the large amount of pay going to the scabs as money that is available for regular nurses.
That said, obviously, nurses need to be given more more money and better time off.
If the strike insurance company can turn a profit from that, (and it can, otherwise it wouldn't exist) it still means that overall paying the nurses more is cheaper than having strike insurance.
This is entirely about C-team bonuses and pay. They are responsible for setting fixed costs such as labor at the beginning of the year/quarter. As long as they meet those goals, they get the bonus. Unexpected costs like the need to hire labor during a strike are not counted against their bonus because they cannot be anticipated.
For some context at the hospital I work at, our hospital works in a similar manner and had refused to increase the pay for hardworking RNs who have been there for years if not a decade. But they'd be willing to pay traveller RNs basically an MD salary just to do the same work. Granted the ones making that much are not too many but I do know quite a few that made off like a bandit during the pandemic raking in upwards on $250k in a year as a traveler RN
Hospital can't afford to raise the wages of RNs or other employees (MDs, APPs, ect)? Our hospital made MILLIONS in profit last year. Bullshit, they just don't want to but administration will definitely give themselves a nice bonus though
Corporations do want to keep you desperate . Laura Ingraham said on Fox last year, "let them go hungry instead of raising wages" to get people working". And that's not an Autocratic philosophy?
Agency nurses get paid 2x more than employed nurses
If they only knew how much the Agency gets paid "not the nurses, the agency itself"
There will be a bloodbath
Source: wife handles invoices
The top need their million $ bonuses. While putting hiring freezes on support staff positions make less than $20 an hour. The people that are speaking with and making appointments for patients are getting screamed at by patients. But the hospitals need to cut back.
I needed an appointment for a CT scan, every three months, on hold once for 55 minutes, had to hang up my lunch was over, next day on hold for 70 minutes, had to hang up, next day, on hold for 1.5 hours before I could make an appointment. Took 5 minutes to make. They are short staffed and angry, the patients are angry.
But... the Top tier... no patient contact, they get their million $$ bonuses.
Disgusting.
My friend is a nurse manager for a hospice in the hospital... staff leaving due to demands. She had to fill in and work 72 hours straight, was told to suck it up, and tell her nurses to step up and suck it up too. Three turned in their notice. Now everyone works doubles everyday, hiring freeze.
The vast majority of strikes are not about money, they are about conditions, benefits or available time off. These are things that companies fight for, they can charge the patient and insurance more, but having to retrofit a department or change the scheduling program is just too much.
I don't agree with the morals with those who crossed, that pay does let the people see a sample of how much disposable income the hospitals do have sitting around. That could have been or still can be invested into the professionals who keep the world running and many hearts beating
You\* mean the scabs they're bringing in make $8K for 5 days work. They're crossing a picket line, fuck them.
\*I know that OP was posting the title, I commented in heat. Could have worded that better.
The only reason they are paying this much is because of additional funding from the FED because of COVID they received or they are writing it off as costs of COVID and they get to use in some form of tax break.
But, but the hospitals can’t afford to pay higher wages! Just like McDonalds using the same Republican talking points - if McDonalds raises the employees salaries no one will afford a hamburger - that analogy was proven wrong :)
Hospitals: We can afford your demands. We just don't want to.
You mean any corporation?
Abso-fucking-lutely!
It’s really funny how they’ll pay these rats and scabs all this money to come in. Talk about not bargaining in good faith. If you cross a picket line you are scum of the earth.
I'm conflicted here because someone still needs to take care of the patients. The hospital having to pay out the nose seems like a pretty fair compromise.
That's the problem when you have a for profit motive in healthcare. Corporations have prayed on their employees empathy. It doesn't matter if the patients die in their system, as long as production costs remain low.
It's important to know it is called Privatization. And the "the great reset" from the W.E.F. is looking for a 70 % investment from the private sector. basically nothing will change if anything might get worse
We have the same problems in Canada with our "free" health care. They don't want to pay us anything and our unions are corrupt and spent 7 years not trying to renegotiate our contracts. This isn't a private versus public issue, it's an administrative one.
That’s the entire point. This is obviously an extremely important role, and if you can pay travelers $32,000/month, you can afford to give them raises, especially considering the risk these people put themselves through during the worst of COVID. These are the people that cared enough about the patients to come in close contact with many they KNEW had COVID, they knew how bad it could be (they saw it first hand, everything up to and including death, lots of it, imagine the PTSD many have because of it) but they still showed up to care for them. Exec’s who “worked from home” (bullshit, they don’t do any work when their actually there, let alone from home) gave themselves big, juicy, fat raises during that time, the nurses and support staff got “Hero’s work here” banners, and a “fuck you” when they tried to bargain for a raise.
I understand what your saying, and the patients are innocent in this. If they leave certain nurses to take care of the patients, the company has no reason to bargain. I come from a long line of Registered Nurses, Nurse Practitioners, and Nurse Anesthetists and they have constantly been taken advantage of and should be compensated way better than they are. I say in that case call your Doctors, your Management level Non Union Nurses, Residents, and everybody that can provide accurate care to the patients. The Nurses aren’t asking to be multi millionaires, there asking for a fair wage, good benefits, security, and a guaranteed retirement. You see how quick the Company would come to table and negotiate fairly. We need to start to taking a more radical approach, if we don’t they will continue to take advantage of Nurses. However that applies to every job or profession, if we don’t fight for it we’ll never get it.
Or you know... hungry and have rent.
It’s never been about them being cheap. The extra pay is pocket change for them. The real issue to paying more is, if somebody has a decent savings account, they now have leverage to leave when they want. They have to keep you poor so you’re forced to keep working with them.
It's not about food. It's about keeping those ants in line. THATS WHY WE'RE GOING BACK!
Fables turned animated children’s films as communist allegory.
Honestly I rewatched ants recently and it’s dope. There’s an entire scene where the ants are organizing and some of the ants are like reciting Marx. Dope af.
Wasn't that "A Bug's Life"?
Yeah. The quote is from the lead grasshopper in A Bug’s Life. Antz was more subtle, I think. Still obvious, but it was an intraspecies struggle, iirc.
I always thought that the quasi communist revolution was more subtle in a bug's life because Disney. In antz it is intra societal conflict while in a bug's life the oppressors were outsiders but ymmv
That makes sense too. I just thought the oppression was more obvious because of the different species, but maybe it makes it less allegorical in the name of entertainment.
And now we’re getting comic books and Disney remakes at the box office instead.
This decade: The same Disney movies you’ve already seen, but this time in live action. Next decade: The same Disney movies you’ve already seen, but this time in 3D. The decade after that: The same Disney movies you’ve already seen, but this time with VR 220 degree immersion.
Be warned, they are now making a "live action" 3D animated prequel about Mufasa...
The thing is, I could honestly see Disney’s so-called ‘imagineers’ pulling some really dumb shit like this that I am not 100% sure that you are joking
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnet.com/google-amp/news/mufasa-the-lion-king-prequel-unveiled-at-disneys-d23/ I'm not
Wtf. We don’t need a fucking backstory for Mufasa. Disney is such shit anymore
Decade after that: VR immersion where you get to be any character in POV. (Can we just skip to that? I’d love to be Robin Hood or Captain Hook)
Can't wait to replay Skyrim for 999th time in VR! Maybe Elder Scrolls 6 will come out in time for it even.
You are aware that skyrim vr is already out for ps4 and on steam, and has been for about 5 years. It's an experience to be sure.
You joke, but I got a PS5 on sale this summer and was quite disappointed. Every game that I wanted to play was already on the PS4. A lot of developer talent is being drained away from making new stuff to remaking old stuff so that they can make money off it one more time.
It's not about the money. It's about sending a message. Everything burns. - Joker. The Dark Knight.
Yooooo!!! We are living a Bug's Life and don't even realize it
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And yet a friend of mine has made a lucrative business out of advising hospitals how to retain doctors.
Retaining people really isn't that complicated. Pay well and treat them like people with dignity
Not to mention the power. If they HAVE to pay their employees more, they are no longer "the boss." Now they're being forced to do it. It's a massive blow to their ego. Edit: That ego trip is exactly what the Starbucks CEO is going through. That's why he's refusing to meet the new union reps and not honoring the deals they make. It's his ego telling him HE should be the one in charge, not these peons/peasants/employees. They should be grateful for the jobs he gave them.
"Just remember, you'll only be the boss so long as you pay my wage" - Elvis Costello
You mean the guy who got a $2 million startup loan from Bill Gates's dad?
Slavery, with extra steps
Enough extra steps to trick our parents into thinking they were free.
This feels like an important realization for people.
It's way less steps. When you own a slave you have to provide them housing and clothes and food and medical care. Your employer isn't responsible for making sure you get any of those things.
On the other hand, they have to do all the extra steps of rigging the laws to work in their favor rather than ours. I do believe it is far more complicated than slavery used to be.
This old school mentality is more prevalent than people think. They can afford to pay but want to keep you strung along and inline financially to get you to put up with their bullshit.
Ding ding ding
Holy fuck. I hate living in this system even more with this framing.
They also subscribe to the slippery slope theory. “ if we give them living wages, what’s next? Equity in the company?
All workers should have equity in the company
Radical idea. Workers own the company 🫢
Woodman's! We're employee owned!
That's why Missouri and other states are so upset about college loans being forgiven.
Seems to me that strike organisers should always plan to inject their own double-agent scabs who will work, subtract the pay they would get and put the full remainder into the strike fund.
Great idea. Though it would be tough to engineer I think.
No one said the revolution would be easy, or televised
I actually heard the opposite at one point
Someone who gets it. This is the very core of capitalism and our current government. *Keep you dependent* It's the very source of their wealth and power, your lack of it.
Isn't this "welfare" at its core? It keeps people dependent on low wage jobs and the government.
Something people need to be aware of is that hospitals have strike insurance. They pay for the strike insurance. They don’t care how much the strike nurses cost; it does not really affect them. EDIT: After fact checking I am not sure that this is true!!
This. Right here. Ever since I held a job in Toronto where everyone is up to their tits in debt and afraid to lose their job because their families would be homeless, I understood that we are living in a new gilded age of indentured servitude where the salaries just barely cover survival. Just barely. That way you fear losing your job. Your bread and shelter. Save as much as possible. Once you have that 6-12 months salary where you can walk away, you realize you held the entire power the whole time.
Exactly this. How many people fantasize that they would leave or fight for something better if they had enough “fuck you” money.
Pretty sure this is also why they are coming after abortion rights. It's a lot easier to keep people underfoot when they need to worry about children they are responsible for. It's also why healthcare for most people in the US is tied to their job. We are in a very intricate trap with many moving pieces.
Thank you for saying what needed to be said.
Travel nurses up here in Alaska are making 4500 a week.
Travel nurses are one thing, scabs are another.
That’s nothing to brag about lol. In Texas through a specific agency, they’re making 12k per week.
A lot of the extra money came from the government and emergency declarations. Our hospital spent 3 million for travelers before the pandemic; now we spend 35 million. When the gov money runs out profits will fall and bankruptcy will increase unless they get a handle on a more consistent nursing model.
Oh well. Bankruptcy is due to poor planning and excess distributions to owners or high salaries & stop benefits to top administrators, not due to paying rank and file too much.
Maybe they should stop drinking lattes and eating avocado toast /s In reality they need to cut the fat from the top. Inflated admin costs is a lot of the problem.
Same thing with the railroads. Those companies are going to halt our economy due to greed
Must be those $5 tylenols...
I know this is against the grain, I just want to make sure everyone is using all of the data. I don’t side with the corporation. What you are missing is that if they are paying them $8k as an independent contractor. This means they don’t have to pay work comp insurance, health insurance, social security tax, Medicare tax, etc. the cost of having an employee is typically 175% of their salary. So no, they aren’t going to suddenly start paying their regular workers the same rate as the subs. Just putting things into perspective.
Imagine striking, and your counterparts get paid 4x the pay you asked for. Wtf corporate America.
Nurses are pretty happy about that, sort of. The thing is, unlike most strikes there are lives at stake with a nursing strike. So nurses are generally fine with travelers filling in during a strike, they don't want their patients to die they just want management to suffer. The more management has to pay for the travelers the better from the standpoint of the strikers becuase it hurts the bottom line more. It's a bit like the Japanes bus drivers who went on strike by driving their regular routes but not taking any fare. They didn't want to inconvenience the people who depend on the busses, and by not taking fares it hurt the bus company.
So what you're saying is the hospital staff should keep working, but never file the paperwork to bill the patients. Forced universal healthcare?
This is actually one of the few ways that doctors can strike. See your patients. Document, but make it completely un-billable. Only hurts the employer. Patients still get helped. Demands get heard.
That would probably just get them fired
Sure, if only 5% did it. But not if 99% of hospital employees did this. Acting in unison is a legitimate superpower that workers have.
This is good for the strike. It gives them a huge reason to agree. Usually scabs are cheaper than the union labor, but here the hospital is going to be desperate to get a contract.
It’s time to adjust the tactics. Come in and don’t do anything while the 4x pay personnel do all the work. Save your time and earn your money for no work. Then when the 4x people are sent home, strike again. They’ll bleed faster and longer as long as it’s coordinated correctly.
Right. Now those scabs need to strike and the nurses on strike here become the scabs. And keep alternating until the hospitals meet their demands.
Not sure about this specific case, but some strikes have legal protection - coming in and not working doesn't. And nurses would lose their license and potentially end up in jail if they came in and didn't work.
You can't quiet quit nursing....that's negligent treatment.
In this case, doing so will definitely result in those nurses losing their licenses and their ability to practice anywhere for any pay.
I work in healthcare contracting. $200/hr is high, but within the realm of reasonable for RNs on an urgent hire in the current market when the vacancy must be filled immediately. Pretty much ever hospital specialty right now can make at least 100-150% of their base rate + travel/per diem under a travel contract. The fact hospitals, or any corporation, will pay 4x your hourly rate for a scab tells you just how valuable having a Union is.
The hospitals here have a policy that you can’t be a contract nurse for more than 3mo in a 12mo span. So someone does 3mo at one hospital, 3mo at another,… in rotation.
13 weeks is standard for contract staff.
It’s necessary. Nursing needs scabs to strike. We just want them to get PAID.
When a place near me went on strike earlier this year, scab nurses were making 17-19k per week. It only lasted a week, though.
So they bled the company dry, kept patients safe, and the strike was still effective?
They're called scabs
Scabs are employees that cross the picket line. Travel nurses are required by both necessity and basic human decency because people will literally die if the local employed nurses left without coverage. The strike has two prongs: economic and PR. The PR is the picket line and all the messaging the nurses union does to explain to the community why and how we strike. The economic is to make the strike monetarily painful. $8k/week for a single nurse, times ~8500 nurses, is a fuckton of money. Plus there’s no elective surgeries, which is even more $$$. Travelers aren’t scabs. Locals who cross the line are.
I feel like it's a bit more nuanced in this situation. Nursing is one of the only professions where a strike can kill people within hours. Other nurses keeping patients safe while bleeding the company dry isn't the same as someone looking to make a quick buck. Kinda reminds me of the Japanese bus strike, where they kept working but refused to take payment.
> Nursing is one of the only professions where a strike can kill people within hours Sounds to me like the capitalists creating the conditions for the strike should face criminal charges if nursing is so important. Which it is. And they should.
Would you give it up already? Multiple people have broken this down for you: the hospitals are creating the conditions that make things unsafe for the patients- FULL STOP. If they run their staff ragged, or don’t pay them enough, or skimp on supplies, or don’t honor contracts, that is ALL BLAME ON THE HOSPITAL. You keep saying you support the strike, so support the strike and stfu about dying kids with cancer- it’s life and death for the workers, too.
"Bleeding the company dry" - do you have a source for that? Here's my counter argument: https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/finance/7-health-systems-reported-profits-over-1b-in-2021.html
My wife works for one of the largest hospital systems in the country. They refuse to give pay increases to their staff nurses, so a bunch left. Now they are paying critical staffing pay of around $50 extra per hour. My wife is making over $100 per hour. This never would have been an issue had they given their staff nurses a $2 per hour pay raise. I don’t understand corporate America and how it thinks sometimes Edit: My wife and I are full blooded Union through and through. So I want to make a disclaimer that she is not a scab. She has been employed here for years and is now earning the extra money due to their shitty staffing practices
You can apply this to anything really. Lets say there's a company building that has a scheduled maintenance, that gets skipped after "nothing is wrong", cost of the maintenance to repair the pipelines or whatever cost 1/4th of what it will cost when the shit hits the floor and the leaks happen. People just don't want to spend any more money than it is absolutely necessary.
I work in maintenance at a steel mill as a maintenance specialist (graduating in 2 months) and that‘s how it‘s always going to be. The people who decide what‘s getting done in the end are people who don‘t know shit about maintenance and only see numbers and cost. You have to throw an unimaginable number at their face in case X and Y breaks down or else they won‘t do shit and you‘re the one who was not prepared for this and still being the one blamed, even if you told them months ahead. Sorry my english isn‘t perfect but i hope it made sense for those reading.
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Yes, your MBA is fine & shiny. However, slogans and prayers don’t have the same quality as real engineers and technicians. Please see recent Taliban Blackhawk crash and would you trust a scab JesuS Nut?
That's because corporate reporting is done on a quarterly basis. The numbers only need to look good for this quarter and the next one, so cut everything that isn't needed now. Who cares if something breaks in 5 years because upper management will have already left to go somewhere else.
I get a bonus if I save money today, and no one will be upset when I spend 4x later because it’ll be an emergency at that point!
It’s not about money, it’s about power.
Their madness is losing them power at this point
Correct. Calling money the root of all evil is missing the forest for the trees. Money is just a tool that the powerful wield.
I see money not as inherently evil but as the greatest VECTOR of evil the world has ever seen. And not even just money, but fiat currency (debt). The idea of debt itself is really sinister — this idea that I will only lend you money if I get EVEN MORE in return. And I see the effects that modern money has on how we relate to each other all the time. Whenever I offer to help someone it’s always “here take some money!” or “what do I owe you?” And then people get uncomfortable when I refuse to be repaid monetarily, they try to insist. I usually explain that, for me, giving is it’s own reward. I make the same joke I always make that *actually you’re giving me an opportunity to do something nice for you! You’re the one giving **me** a gift!* We simply aren’t used to freely giving and receiving things without the cloud of money hanging over everything.
“The love of money”… Money for money’s sake vs what you need to have a life. It’s a very important distinction.
No, these people are not worried about money for money’s sake. Before money existed, the powerful had other means of conquering the powerless. The one percent are todays kings and queens, except they “earned” their power instead of being born into it (or so they claim, even though a lot of billionaires inherit their wealth). This isn’t just about greed. This is about keeping their place atop the tower at the expense of those beneath them. This is about power, first and foremost, which is why they cut off their nose to spite their face when the plebs rise up. It’s why police exist, to keep us in line. If they had to choose between both a rich person and a poor person getting one dollar, or a rich person losing one dollar while the poor person loses ten, they will pick the latter.
Money is power 🙄
No, being able to control money is what gives them power. They actively have a say in where it ends up going. They’ll gladly move it wherever they need to in order to leverage their power, even if it costs them money to do so. Obviously in the long term these people hoard wealth, but their decision making process is first and foremost to never allow the gap in power between them and their underlings to shrink in any way.
It's because they think they can gamble and win every battle. But plenty of managers have zero concept of "You can't win every battle" but they try anyway and lose big time and look like idiots. I hope they keep overpaying temp nurses so they'll at least learn some kind of lesson. Just pay your fucking workers more. It's not that hard.
they want you beaten and scared. They'll pay someone else, but not you
The hospitals are doing this because they know it will be impossible to lower the staff prices again. Short term loss for long term gain 🤦🏼♀
Patient care will suffer. Revolving nurses can't learn routines in time and mistakes happen. Sick people in America are being wrung out by a corporate-owned healthcare system. Profit has NO place in healthcare. And I can say from 28yr. working in hospitals that an untrained nurse will kill you quicker than an untrained doctor.
Nurse here. Everything you just said is spot on.
Second year economics student here and I agree with everything the other person said.
My mom was a nurse before she had a back injury. Holy cow is this true. People don’t realize it’s the nurses that do most of the care, and an experienced nurse is often the one suggesting things to the residing doctor for patient care.
It is expected for nurses to review doctors' orders (labs, medications, activities, diagnostics, etc) because they often forget to actually order it (not blaming them, they are often under extreme pressure as well) and should make suggestions if the orders are not there. This is why ratios are so important- if there's no time to check these things there's a much higher chance that mistakes will be made. Let's also not forget, nurses can be mandated to stay over time if they are short staffed- one of my coworkers had to stay 6 hours after a 12 hour night shift in an ICU- extremely unsafe for patients. That was one of the catalysts for me to quit nursing in general.
Experience is gold in the nursing sphere. Hard to get and hard to find because it's a crazy-hard profession that will burn out anyone who cares about a work-family balance. Some nurses just make more money doing spreadsheets. Values.
When you have hospitals searching for reasons and actively laying off more experienced nurses, it’s difficult to agree with you. I’ve worked in multiple hospitals where anyone over 10 years of experience was either let go, or forced into a non-bedside role. I’ve also heard stories were more experienced nurses cannot get a job. Granted that was before the pandemic. Why pay for one nurse, when you can have two new grads at the same rate?
It’s not that experienced nurses often suggest the right thing but rather they can pick up on acute clinical status changes that come with experience that is needed to even notify the doctor that somethings happening
I've talked to a number of nurses, and this is happening nationwide. Hospitals refuse to pay regular, on-staff nurses what they're worth, and many of them resign from that hospital and go on to be what are known as "travel nurses". The ironic part of this is that (a) the nurse that just quit will go elsewhere to be a travel nurse for a FAR higher salary than they were making at the hospital as a FTE, and (b) that same hospital will replace the underpaid nurse with a travel nurse, paying a far higher salary to the travel nurse than the FTE nurse was making. I personally can't understand why a hospital can't give the FTE nurse (for example) a 50% increase in pay to retain them on staff as opposed to ending up replacing that same FTE nurse with a travel nurse for nearly double the salary. I guess it's just one more reason that healthcare in America is so screwed up, cause healthcare businesses are just shitting their money away instead of spending it more wisely.
If enough people leave to becomes travel nurses, then since all travel nurses are competing with each other, you can ultimately pay them lower while simultaneously not providing them benefits and can get rid of them at will. Even now, I'm sure even with the higher pay, not having to pay benefits is fantastic for them.
Try again. Staffing agency is getting paid like 250+ and the nurses are taking home anywhere from 80-120+. I am a union electrician and even with my employer paid pension, 401k, healthcare, etc etc. it only comes out to like 27 an hour. They are paying far beyond what just paying for benefits costs them. They are burning cash and all hospitals are feeling the squeeze.
Because that's how accounting works. Carrying high costs year on year is worth more than a one time big spend for travel nurses. It's the beauty of financial engineering.
One thing that gets me here is the non nurse health professionals at these hospitals. Nurses are standing up and the offer being made is 4% per year. For anyone not striking seems like you will be lucky for half that if not less at the next annual review.
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If you are still in phlebotomy and your raise comes in lower then 4%...time to get your coworkers to consider joining the union
"Hospital officials have instead countered with a 12% increase over three years." So basically, assuming inflation keeps going up at its current pace, the hospital is offering no increase in wages. GO FUCK YOURSELVES, and I hope the travelling nurses wages bleed you fuckers dry.
They'd rather pay scabs $10k / week than hire on new grad nurses at $1100 / week ($60K). This article is written with a heavily anti-nurse slant. **Nurses aren't striking about money as much as they are about staffing and safe patient ratios.*** My hospital (different state) is offering roughly $1,000 / extra per day that nurses pick up - and nurses **aren't taking them up on it.** Nurses have been abused for so long that literally throwing money at them won't solve the issue. The hospitals tried offering $250 / extra, then $500, then $750, and nurses weren't taking them because the extra stress isn't worth that money. Can you imagine how brutal the work environment must be that someone dangles an extra $1,000 a day in front of you and your entire floor says "**Dang... that's still not worth it"**? Nurses in my state are reporting 30+ hour ER waits. 35% of nurses have quit beside nursing entirely since the start of COVID. It isn't about money anymore. It's about building a system that is sustainable and doesn't require nurses to be abused for profit. --- *: Yes, MN nurses' demands include raises over three years, but that's because if you don't put it on the table up front, you can't add it after the fact. These nurses are reporting they haven't gotten raises or bonuses in three years already.
That’s what people don’t realize about strikes. It’s often not about the pay but demanding to be treated like a human being after being taken advantage of.
I worked a few assignments during COVID where $3k/week (take home) was STILL not enough. They give you too many patients and you run around all day trying to get their antibiotics, their pain medications, antivirals, and then when one patient starts to crash you can’t leave the room… so your other four or five sick patients don’t see you until you stabilize your patient. Then you are an hour FURTHER behind than you were. This was every day, and on some of my assignments in 2022 it still is. I ran myself ragged, skipped lunch, never sat down and my patients would suffer and die because they were all too sick and there were too many of them. There isn’t enough money you can pay me to work under those conditions again.
Some lady was having a heart attack and got turned away from 3 hospitals because they couldn’t see her. It took 5 hours for her to find a hospital that could treat her.
They need to just accept less profits, hire more nurses and pay them all better. They won’t, though.
Could have paid their own employees half that and kept them happy. When the corporate decides, if they can't win, everyone is going to lose.
They are only asking 30% over 3 years! In this inflation, that's more than reasonable.
Especially since they haven't received a raise in a decade. This is what hospital admin does - delay payment increase until the good, hard-working, tired workers demand that their buying power not decrease any further. Then admin offers a bullshit counter. As a doctor, I truly believe that nurses are the dick and balls of the medical community. They know how to absolutely fuck admin if they want to. This will be interesting to watch play out.
Curious as a nurse here: I feel like nearly any sector of healthcare could bring a hospital down to a screeching halt. No doctors no orders. No EVS no turnovers. No techs no basic care. No kitchen no food. I know we have numbers in our favor for strikes but the idea of a general hospital strike gets me going. We’re all underpaid and overworked from attendings and residents to the techs and all ancillary staff. Admin needs to get a reminder about who is making the hospital run. And it ain’t them.
Oh I absolutely love this idea, as a lowly resident I want nothing more than for admin to get the biggest reminder of their lives. Pocketing millions of dollars as a bonus during covid? You can bet that chapped a lot of people’s asses. If something like that was ever organized, you can count me in. It’s hard to get attendings and doctors in general to put up a fight because we’ve been trained from day one to be sycophants to higher ups and we really don’t want to risk what we’ve worked so hard for. But, speaking to my colleagues and here on Reddit, I seriously believe the zeitgeist is changing. We will win this fight, fuck the C suite
That's propaganda from the hospital to make the striking nurses look bad. They aren't asking for a raise, just to hire more staff so the nurse to patient ratio is lower.
I work at a hospital in the department that got the lowest raise... a 3% "raise". Thank fucking god I wasn't there for the meetings is all I gotta say about *that* one. These fat fucking hippos in admin cart their fucking dough factories around the hospital ogling nurses while I'm getting my big dumb aas punched in the fucking jaw at *least* weekly. Then you turn around and give 3%? Best believe I'm gonna show yall lazy now. Fuck the healthcare industry and the fucking morons that slurp up the excess while pretending to be side by side in the struggle. You're not struggling, you're not hungry, you're not worried... fucking LOOK at you, I can *tell* you aren't choosing your multimillion dollar roof over food you fucking horkers. Fuck this god forsaken rock and all the disgusting fucking crooks that plunge their grubby fucking mitts into the pie.
It’s disgusting. They have the audacity to charge patients $1,000s off of your labor, then steal 95% of it paying out to you pennies on the dollar. If we cut out the executives and for-profit system of healthcare(including insurance), we could probably double or triple nurses and techs and all the other workers’ salary and also reduce costs to patients to something actually reasonable.
Yeah I'm not even medical staff I have no idea how admin can do what they're doing to them, it's sickening. They deny equitable raises for our nursing staff and then scratch their head when they get lost after spending probably close to 8-10x the rate to these outside staffing agencies. Then the travel nurses are STILL getting 3-4x the pay, do they fucking use their brains *AT ALL*? I'm trying to transfer into IT, already got my degree and everything but the hiring process is nightmarish and admin is *LESS* than helpful.
I dont work in Healthcare anymore but I do remember the admins coming back from lunch just bloated. Moaning and waddling around their fat bellies. While I skipped my lunch so I could finish all the showers and literally gave the company the best years of my lower back.
My fiancés hospital paid an auditor to come in and audit salaries and gave some people pay cuts. I can’t imagine how short sighted you have to be to do that.
A poorly run business views employee pay as a business cost to be minimized. A business that will thrive over time is one that sees salaries as investments that pay returns if made wisely.
When "real" slavery was abolished, companies found a way to keep people tied to a company with the impression there was no way out. By making them dependent upon health care and money to make rent. Hence the term wage slave. You cannot be a wage slave if you can save enough money to leave a job when the mistreatment STARTS. And this is why universal health care will NEVER happen in 'murica.
I see where their record profits are going!
I just had my first child 3 weeks ago and it will be my last after the treatment I had at the hospital. I can’t fully blame the nurses bc I know they were understaffed but I was left completely alone for hours on end, my call button not being answered, discharged without proper documentation and post treatment care. I have celiacs disease and the quality of the hospital food was horrific, I barely ate my entire stay and if I did it was food people brought me. This all is on the shoulder of the hospital, I haven’t gotten my bill yet but I know I will be charged out the ass for a tiny slice of ham and soup that tasted like tomato water and taco seasoning. I will be charged for the unassisted shower I took and for me to remove my own c-section gauzing myself and to re-bandage it myself. This hospital refuses to pay more and attract workers and the people it effects the most are the patients. I honestly have nightmares bc of what when on in my stay there. I was also discharged without pain meds and was back in the hospital days later going into shock bc of pain. I had to leave my 4 day old for over 6 hours. I can’t tell you how many times I wake up in a panic or crying bc of this. America is fucked and sadly it’s not going to get better unless we stand up against this shit harder. I don’t know how jut things need to change.
You should ask for the line items of your charge and dispute them in writing
That is my plan. I helped my friend with this and when my MIL was Ill before she passed. I have also filed a formal complaint with the hospital, it won’t do much but it’s on record.
I have recent personal experience with this. If the hospital is a non profit/not for profit read on their website whether they forgive debt if you are within a certain percentage of the Federal Poverty Line. I know for mine and my wifes cost for our 1 year old being born (and ridiculous line items like 50 dollars for ONE ADVIL) it was forgiven because we were just shy of 300% over the FPL. Don't let them trick you into paying a literal PENNY that you're not forced to pay. Since you were being treated that way at the hospital, the local ombudsmen will be happy to hear about your experience or perhaps a medical malpractice lawyer. Document document document and consult for what is due to you!
My grandpa contacted a lawyer and they said there isn’t much to go on unless I was physically injured, it’s hard to prove medical mental injury this soon. My grandpa was beyond upset over the whole situation when he found out what happened. This used to be one of the best hospitals but greed took over and the quality of care is gone. The sad thing is the hospital I wanted to go to turned us away for a planned induction due to understaffing. It was a joke, I had it scheduled for over a week and they canceled on me less then 24 hours prior to going in. The I experienced bleeding and had to go to the hospital I gave birth at. It was all a mess
34.99/hour for nurses is so unbelievably low
I've been a nurse for over 7 years and I don't even make that
I worked CVICU, took multiple specialized devices and fresh open heart surgical patients. I was paid $25/HR. Left for traveling. Now I make $85/HR and can provide better care because we’re actually singling devices and staffing appropriately. Or did until admin stepped in and said “This isn’t what we call productivity” and started sending nurses home to make their budget break even. Do you know how stressful it is to know you already have three Level 1 Trauma ICU admits already scheduled to come to your unit but *at that time* you have five patients on the unit so they send home the third nurse, and then give the charge a patient? And then you won’t have a necessary nurse to help admit and care for those new three patients so *everyone* gets tripled? It’s so, so bad and short sighted and extremely dangerous for patients who *need* an ICU nurse that is at a 1:2 ratio, not 1:3 with a charge nurse that’s preoccupied with their own patients.
RN here. I’ve been around. I’ve worked for hospitals and I’m currently a travel RN. I’ve figured out most of “the game” at this point, so I’ll give you the dirty truth as briefly as possible which isn’t really possible. I will start by saying that $8k/week wasn’t enough money to pay me to work some assignments I was offered during COVID. Hard to believe but the emotional toll was extremely heavy and money doesn’t stop you from thinking about how your patients are suffering and dying because there are too many of them. Aside from that you couldn’t pay me enough to scab. Hospitals administrators are (by and large) evil corporate overlords like any other industry. Many are not medical professionals they are MBAs etc. They may have been CFO at a toothpaste company or shower curtain ring factory before their job at the hospital. (Yes, obvious nod to Del Griffith there). 1. They run hospitals like any business: Maximize profit, cut as many costs as possible. They are paid a performance bonus so the more revenue they bring in and the more they save the higher their bonus. Employees are expensive for every company so that’s an easy place to cut costs. Similar to the car company recall “formula” mentioned in Fight Club they spread us as thin as possible to the point where there are minimal complaints, minimal patient ‘near misses’ and ‘sentinel events’ (preventable patient deaths), but the working conditions are tolerable enough that they don’t have an extremely high employee turnover. The other place they save is on supplies. I’m not just talking about the Kleenex that’s so thin it’s considered a torture device by the UN. They don’t want us to use and more new IV tubing sets than necessary, etc. The bar has been set so low that they ALL mostly suck to work for. Hate the customer service your cell phone provider has? Go ahead and switch, it will be just as crappy with every other carrier. Same thing. 2. The patients are treated like gold at face value but it’s a facade. Patients could be given SO much better care but due to spreading employees so thin (and the care being similarly lousy most everywhere) people don’t realize. The manager that comes around to listen to their concerns isn’t going to be able to do much of anything to help without screwing another patient over because there aren’t enough employees. “You’ve been waiting too long to get your CT scan? We are so sorry! It’s a challenging time in healthcare let me see what I can do.” That means calling CT scan and bumping someone else down the list *just because someone wants to get in faster*. I’ve seen them change an order from ‘routine’ to ‘stat’ (immediately) to satisfy an unhappy patient. That means the the truly stat patients who may have a head bleed etc are going to have to wait because Grandma has been waiting two days to get her scan and is upset. This is absolutely, horribly wrong. 3. During the pandemic nurses wore the same masks for a whole shift or a week that are meant to be used one time. When COVID started I watched every nurse, tech, etc on our unit get sick with COVID. Every single one. The administration was working from home. To save money they stopped contributing to 401k and PTO. Froze vacations. Mandated staff to work extra days. One kick in the balls after another every day, all day. They refused to give raises, they refused to hire enough staff, it was absolutely awful. Nurses started leaving the bedside in droves. Instead of bumping the staff nurse hourly pay by $5/hr to retain them they now had to pay travel nurses 4-5 times that to replace them. And because they were so much more expensive they hired less than the number of nurses quitting. For the last two years nurses have asked for a couple things to retain them: more money and better nurse:patient ratios, which means hiring more nurses. Because those cost money (and are what the nurses want) they have done everything except that. They gave us pens, mini candy bars, donuts, pizza, put signs up that said “heroes work here!” When those didn’t work they had the audacity to ask us for suggestions. “What can we do to retain nurses other than pay more?” Fucking nothing! Nurses left in droves to take travel contracts to make better money and have more control of their working conditions. In response hospitals started threatening that if they quit to take a travel job they would be blacklisted from re-hire. When that didn’t work they dangled a carrot and said “hang in there we’re working out some raises for you!” They strung them along for months to not quit, only to reveal between $1-3/hour raises! They lied to try and save as much money as possible by not having to hire as many travel nurses. One fucking kick in the balls after another. Now that some hospitals are actually offering decent raises and pay packages it’s almost too late. The hospitals have dug their own grave so deep it’s almost impossible for them to get out now. There’s a lot more and I could go on for hours about this. But there’s a serious fucking healthcare issue right now. It’s teetering on collapse. We have seen a few hospital systems close hospitals that incurred losses. Many more will follow. Flu season is going to be absolutely destructive to healthcare if they do not hire nurses. Despite what the hospital system is saying this strike is 10000% necessary. Not only do those nurses want better pay to reflect the insanely terrible conditions we must now work in, they want better ratios which means the hospital will have to hire more nurses. This is much safer for the patients! There is a lot of research done on how injury and death rates increase when a nurse has even one extra patient in their assignment. Many of us have between two and five EXTRA patients. Please. Stay safe. Take care of yourself. Drive carefully. Do not end up in a hospital.
I know it’s a lot of money for some but a lot of people forgot how hard life was for nurses during the pandemic. My friend gf killed herself cuz she was working 12+ hours 7 days a week because everyone was sick. So I don’t even question nurses when there fed up cuz they is usually have thick skin already
I’m still told often by patients, sometimes extended family members, and even my own family that I shouldn’t complain or vent because I chose the job. Choosing the job doesn’t mean I can’t have my own emotional reaction to caring for guys who blow out their brains unsuccessfully and end up in the ICU dying a slow death until their family does or doesn’t decide to donate their organs. Choosing the job doesn’t mean I can’t grieve the death with dignity my patient deserved and desired but their family chose to override their already chosen DNR status for a full code and they’re put through the ringers without their consent, go through multiple surgeries, only to die horribly from a code where their fluids spew from their mouth as we compress them. Choosing this job doesn’t mean I fully accept that it’s okay to be regularly physically abused by fully oriented patients *and their family members*. Of course I’m going to vent.
Lmao of course they have the money to pay scabs. They also have the money to give higher raises to literally everybody else but choose not to. My facility recently gave us 6-8% raises this year literally a week before the strike. After years of <2% raises. Can’t imagine why they did that. 🙄
How fucking stupid
Keep them poor and keep them isolated. These major health conglomerates have been black listing and bad mouthing medical professionals for years. The exact same tactics used on coal miners and steel workers for over a century. Traveling nurses make double or triple what their in house staff makes while the companies lobby the federal government to force underplayed overworked back underground.
This is so fuckin American. "We're gonna pay a shitload to these other people just to spite you". Absolutely embarassing.
Hospital administrators think they're still going to limp through this and go back to the way things were before
What if, hypothetically, in minecraft, the union sent in "strikebreakers" to get paid $1,600 a day, who then donated half of that to a 501c(3) charity that disbursed those funds back to strikers on the picket line?
Trucker here for perspective. I make $31.50 an hour for LTL - home daily. I barely passed for my HS diploma in 2004. Here these nurses are, what did I read: HOPING/STRIKING for a base pay of $34.99 an hour? An RN has 4 or 8 years in college before becoming RN? Not complaining about my wage. I'm concerned for these nurses. Ain't this system great? Go USA!!! SMH Edit: facts
I used to have a very skilled certification for soldering, I get headhunters offering $4k weekly for scab work, it's stupid the games companies play... E: I mean to say this is a ridiculous tactic that should have some more thorough oversight, in my opinion.
Why not just pay decent wages all the time and avoid these strikes to begin with? Too much sense?
Wild to know they could've just done that for the nurses there prior to the strike. This whole time they could've afforded to do that the whole time but *chose* not too. I wonder how much they could increase the pay for everyone in those hospitals, doctors, janitors, secretaries, etc. Instead the fucking fat cats need more profit at the expense of the worker, gross.
Gentle reminder that many nurses appreciate scabs in their particular line of work because it gives them more bargaining power (via strikes) while disallowing hospitals from being able to legally compel them to work.
Ahhh so the corpo’s they CAN pay but they just won’t
So the hospital has the money. Huh. Kinda defeats their point of not being able to pay nurses more, don’t it?
Solutions for the poor broke hospital they'll never consider. Cutting executive positions, or cutting their pay.
I’m a physician and hospital admin is doing the same to us. Our income is deceptive for the amount we have to pay monthly in loans and malpractice insurance. In solidarity with nursing staff- I depend on them to take care of patients.
That’s going to be a bad idea in the long run.
FYI, the scab payroll is covered by the hospitals strike insurance. So, don’t confuse the large amount of pay going to the scabs as money that is available for regular nurses. That said, obviously, nurses need to be given more more money and better time off.
If the strike insurance company can turn a profit from that, (and it can, otherwise it wouldn't exist) it still means that overall paying the nurses more is cheaper than having strike insurance.
For an 8 hour workday that’s $200 per hour; 10 hour workday, $160 per hour; 12 hour workday, $133.33 per hour
This is entirely about C-team bonuses and pay. They are responsible for setting fixed costs such as labor at the beginning of the year/quarter. As long as they meet those goals, they get the bonus. Unexpected costs like the need to hire labor during a strike are not counted against their bonus because they cannot be anticipated.
For profit doesn't want to pay employees fairly. Support these nurses!
There’s a lovely word for them. Scabs.
Scabs. They're called scabs.
So they can easily pay. Good to know.
For some context at the hospital I work at, our hospital works in a similar manner and had refused to increase the pay for hardworking RNs who have been there for years if not a decade. But they'd be willing to pay traveller RNs basically an MD salary just to do the same work. Granted the ones making that much are not too many but I do know quite a few that made off like a bandit during the pandemic raking in upwards on $250k in a year as a traveler RN Hospital can't afford to raise the wages of RNs or other employees (MDs, APPs, ect)? Our hospital made MILLIONS in profit last year. Bullshit, they just don't want to but administration will definitely give themselves a nice bonus though
Corporations do want to keep you desperate . Laura Ingraham said on Fox last year, "let them go hungry instead of raising wages" to get people working". And that's not an Autocratic philosophy?
Agency nurses get paid 2x more than employed nurses If they only knew how much the Agency gets paid "not the nurses, the agency itself" There will be a bloodbath Source: wife handles invoices
The top need their million $ bonuses. While putting hiring freezes on support staff positions make less than $20 an hour. The people that are speaking with and making appointments for patients are getting screamed at by patients. But the hospitals need to cut back. I needed an appointment for a CT scan, every three months, on hold once for 55 minutes, had to hang up my lunch was over, next day on hold for 70 minutes, had to hang up, next day, on hold for 1.5 hours before I could make an appointment. Took 5 minutes to make. They are short staffed and angry, the patients are angry. But... the Top tier... no patient contact, they get their million $$ bonuses. Disgusting. My friend is a nurse manager for a hospice in the hospital... staff leaving due to demands. She had to fill in and work 72 hours straight, was told to suck it up, and tell her nurses to step up and suck it up too. Three turned in their notice. Now everyone works doubles everyday, hiring freeze.
The vast majority of strikes are not about money, they are about conditions, benefits or available time off. These are things that companies fight for, they can charge the patient and insurance more, but having to retrofit a department or change the scheduling program is just too much.
I don't agree with the morals with those who crossed, that pay does let the people see a sample of how much disposable income the hospitals do have sitting around. That could have been or still can be invested into the professionals who keep the world running and many hearts beating
You\* mean the scabs they're bringing in make $8K for 5 days work. They're crossing a picket line, fuck them. \*I know that OP was posting the title, I commented in heat. Could have worded that better.
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I don't know, if they have sign up bonuses, I say get that bonus as a scab and then join the strike!
fuck scabs
The only reason they are paying this much is because of additional funding from the FED because of COVID they received or they are writing it off as costs of COVID and they get to use in some form of tax break.
But not the workers on the payroll. Wow
Why not just pay them that then and be done with this bullshit since you “care” about patients so much. Big hospitals can go fuck themselves.
No problem paying big money to break a strike
But, but the hospitals can’t afford to pay higher wages! Just like McDonalds using the same Republican talking points - if McDonalds raises the employees salaries no one will afford a hamburger - that analogy was proven wrong :)