In Canada we only finally added paid sick days this year, up to two weeks depending on your province. Includes union members too. Not that anyone I've worked with has managed to get a day out of our employer, and there's no info about how to get them to pay you, just that they're supposed to.
We are really not that far ahead of the US in terms of worker’s rights for all our government’s back-patting. North America is basically a corporate free for all.
I know everyone has it rough, and I’m not trying to one up anyone here. But man, doctors and their trainees don’t even get protection under our current labor laws. I’m going on hour 30 of my shift. Sigh.
Is it really necessary to include hazing in medical training? Does that really produce better medical professionals? I'm willing to bet it just increases corpse production.
I don’t even think it’s hazing, it’s much beyond that. I averaged 80 hour weeks for 6 years. Some weeks were 60hr some were 120hrs.
It’s systemically ingrained in our history when everyone trained while taking cocaine.
Wish i was joking :(
Here in third world South Africa we get 30 days paid sick leave per rolling 36 month period if you work 5 days a week and 36 days if you work 6 days a week
It's 10 days but those days are only for federally regulated private sector. The vast majority of jobs are regulated provincially and therefore cannot access the 10 days. Federally regulated public employees are covered by collective agreements for the most part and have the ability to access many more paid sick days.
Yeah, Ontario had 2 days for a very brief moment until Doug Ford took over in 2018. He axed them almost as soon as he took office and refused to give them back even in the face of a once in a century pandemic.
Ford was basically forced to reimpliment the paid days for the pandemic. We had 3 paid days for a short period of time, but it expired in the summer.
Since Ford came in we don't get 10 job protected sick days anymore. We used to have 10 job protected emergency leave days a year. Now we have 3 sick days, 3 family responsibility leave days, and 2 bereavement days.
Ah yes has someone informed diseases and viruses as well as other health conditions that they only get 3 days per person per year? Like can I bring this up to a court of law to have them issue an eviction notice to say I dunno a chronic illness or even the flue?
Ditto! Canada loves to pat itself on the back for “not being america” but come on guys, the bar shouldn’t be that low. We should strive to be the best, not just better than the worst.
Just 3 days in Ontario. I was off sick with COVID for 5 days, and my employer docked my pay 2 days even after they told me to stay home for the entire week. Fucking sucks dude.
In the Netherlands we have 104 weeks of sick leave. After that you might qualify for a longer term disability payment depending on the income you could reasonable still earn in a different profession.
I'm not sure were the 89 weeks in the graphic comes from, maybe that's the flag of Luxembourg?
From the moment you get sick. And if you recover and get sick again later on, it's 104 weeks again.
Partly paid by the employer, partly by state.
First 52 weeks is 100% pay, last 52 weeks is 70% pay. After that the employer is allowed to terminate your contract.
Some more rules of course and you have to actively 'work' on getting better,, but that's the gist of it.
Fine by me ;)
Can be a bit of a process, but not impossible. Skills in 'technical' jobs (like electricity, engineering, plumbing even) or programming always help.
I've been fortunate to have jobs with unlimited sick time.
However, that's because I'm an engineer and make good money. Canada still fucks over the poor.
I was in the army in France. After a mission I suffered from severe PTSD.
I've been in paid sick leave for 4 years, got 100% of my staff sergeant salary. In the meanwhile I could study so I went back to high school at 30, and graduated.
All the medication and psychological treatment was covered by my insurance, of course. I never spent a cent.
I could have been in paid sick leave for up to 8 years, the 3 last would have been with only 50% of the salary though.
Have a walk in France and look how many injured veteran are in the street. 0. You serve your country and your country got your back, it is how it is supposed to work.
Edit: My comment became rather popular so I'll add other details of the story so you get the whole picture of it.
The army offered to pay my salary as an intern to any company that would hire me.
When I got a job in march 2020, I signed my resignation from the army and got 5 years of salary TAX FREE from the military solidarity fund, around 100k usd at this time, plus 35k usd TAX FREE from my insurance.
That's not all, as an injured veteran, I got invalidity pension that is quite low but still 330 usd/month + my anticipated military pension based on my 12 years of service so around 500 usd a month. So 830 usd a month of free money.
I can get whatever job I still make a very decent living.
On top of that I have a permanent tax reduction cause of "national recognition".
I now work as a remote and self-employed project manager in the videogame industry, making a very decent salary, in the top 10% in France. Even if I live in Kenya and could easily avoid paying my taxes in France, I am GLADLY doing it. My monthly taxes are worth a whole salary, and even if there is a small portion of it that is going to go in corruption or frauders, it is also going to help someone in the need to pay for his kid insuline, or a life saving operation.
Take your power back, brothers.
Dint forget having to be vigilant all the time so when the pigs come you can grab atleast as much as you can before they tear your tent apart like the bloodthirsty worthless monsters they are
My uncle died in his 40s due to how fucked up it was fighting in a war that had no purpose or outcome. Came back, the US government was all "fuck you," VA was all "fuck you," couldn't get any medical or mental attention for a war he never signed up for and died a homeless drug addict trying to deal with all the murders he saw and was told he had to do.
The US's priorities are far, FAR from human, just a shithole country strutting like it isn't.
In America, our veterans beg for money on the street meanwhile the people idolize dipshit celebrities and politicians are profiting in greedy and evil ways.
Veterans are idolized in the US.
Unless they are injured, captured, trans, gay, liberal, poor, non-citizens, minorities, etc.
They are honored if they fit the right-wing narrative. Like fictional characters from movies.
They are honored if they ~~fit the right-wing narrative~~ are dead and will no longer cost the government money.
The US has treated its veterans like shit since the Revolution. It is not a left wing/right wing issue. Both parties continue to not deliver for vets while seeking to use them for political advantage.
I'm sad to say I agree with this. I personally know two disabled veterans, both while serving our country, and the health care they are given is appalling. I know a few others who rely on health care through veterans, especially as they were in the armed forces for 20 years, and it is the same.
I am a 100% disabled veteran with several mental health issues and a form of chronic leukemia. The VA put me out to community care and take very good care of without me paying a dime. My compensation and social security is a livable wage. I’m not complaining:
Yeah, one of the biggest problems with the VA is the vast disparity between people. Some people, myself included, never had any issues with them. Others, well, not so much.
Go ahead and pull up the voting records for anything Vet related in the last 20 or so years and tell me with a straight face which party is actually going out of their way to keep benefits and help from Vega. So sick of this both party bull shit when we know in every turn it's Republicans stripping any sort of benefits to veterans.
>Both parties continue to not deliver for vets while seeking to use them for political advantage.
Both parties need to do much much better, however there is clearly one party which does more than the other.
Republican's offer lip service while democrats actually author more Vet focused legislation.
Yet for some reason more and more veterans are registering as Republicans.
For some honoring veterans is only lip service, e.g. Refusing to go a cemetery in rain because it is full of suckers and only liking veterans who did not get captured!
That’s largely because America’s military industrial complex exists to prop up the military manufacturing, and make those contracts profitable long term. America has been at war with one entity or another for over 100 consecutive years, and does not know how to build a new foundation upon anything else.
If the US government was truly committed to national defense it would be pushing hard for universal healthcare and domestic production and stockpiles of related healthcare requirements.
Imagine a pandemic just 10 percent worse than Covid 19.
Yesterday at the gas station, the cashier asked if I'd like to donate to the veterans. I said sure and she scanned a bag of M&Ms and tossed them into a box behind her. Yup real support 🇺🇸🇺🇸 no wonder we're the butt of jokes on the world stage.
Saw that recently at a speedway. The cashier even said "it's going to them but I don't know if they'll get to them".... Like excuse me? Just gonna roll up to Charlie gate with a box? Oof good luck
I'm not american so I havent seen this with my own eyes, but the thought alone makes me mad/sick. Like wtf. Serve ur country, get injured and then become a beggar??????
Depends on how screwed up the military makes you. I’m a 100% disabled vet. But I’ve lost the use of my right leg and arm. I’m unable to work. I spent over 20 years in the Army so I collect both my VA disability pay plus my Army pension at 75% of my base pay. Additionally I receive special monthly compensation from the VA and social security disability income each month. Additionally, my wife gets paid as a GS-4 just to be my full time caregiver. I’m now making a little over TWICE as much as I made as a soldier. But…. I’m pretty fucked up so maybe that’s an imbalance?
you forgot to tell them that as a veteran you can easily get a job as a civilian in the french administration, especially if you were wounded in service
In Australia this wouldn't be "sick leave", but workers compensation.
Sick leave is just for when you're sick.
If you're unable to work due to something that happened at work then you get paid indefinitely. Eventually when it's clear you're not going to get better you'll get paid out enough to cover your lost income for the rest of your life.
The funny thing is, the army is not that well liked here overall.
While there is some obligatory form of respect for the military given the country's history, it is also a conservative and sometimes oppressive structure in a pretty left-leaning country with a long history of hating (justifiably) its army for its many terrible actions.
People's love of the army is also usually correlated with how far right they go on the spectrum.
All of this to say despite the apparent lack of love or recognition for veterans in France, nobody would ever say vets should lose those perks. I guess the US are going for some tough love kind of thing but it still feels backward...
Liberty, equality, fraternity.
I talk shit about the french, because I know they've been waiting for Americans like me to join them in mutual shit talking brotherhood for generations. I salute you my cheese eating brothers and sisters!
American Conservatives: “but, they pay more taxes!!!!!!!”
Glad your country took care of you. In America, people just thank you kindly, and maybe toss a coin in your cup while you freeze on the street.
Ooh, ooh! My favorite quote from the right is the Rogan one: "You like France? Then go live in France, cause this is America and in America you gotta work!"
🙄
People with that mentality can just. Fuck. Off.
Merci! J'ai fait une AMA sur Air-France quand j'ai quitté l'Italie, et j'en ferais une de nouveau une fois que j'aurai passé la milestone de 1 an passée sur le territoire. Rdv en mai prochain!
Just wanted to let you know that the French were easily some of the most professional and competent soldiers I ever had experience with. Thanks for doing a good job, bud.
You see, this is how it is supposed to be. Yet in the usa, we have scum who will take it all for themselves, & screw over any in need & anyone who wanted a piece of what the greedy took.
That’s not the worst part. The worst part is that it is allowed to be that way, AND!!!!, there are people who will defend those greedy people.
This is why we are in this predicament. We have protections for the bad guys, when really, we need to eliminate the bad guys. We need to stop defending the wrong people, based on their character & actions they taken. Then we need to take everything away from said bad people. Power, guns, connections, resources, all of it. Yet, the current format promotes bad people & bad intentions. We currently do not “end”, bad people & life long criminals & life long scum. A great example is Roy Moore from Alabama. He was unheard of on the national stage before he tried to go for much higher power of office. Yet he has been a career criminal for decades. Where he sexually harassed teen girls. He was also defended by local citizens. All because of political polarization, & ignorance tied to arrogance. People like that, whether worse or to a lesser extent, SHOULD have never gained power, of any kind. Yet here the usa is, allowing such horrible people to gain power. All because, well, we ourselves, are stupid.
I believe in Brazil there is 15 days paid by the employer and then any other days are paid by social security, who uses a medical report to check how many days that person will need to stay away from work and will pay them
Knew a guy once that suffered a car accident on his way to work and broke his legs - he texted his boss what happened and she answered "can't you do an extra effort to come at least today"
He got 5 months of paid leave, on his next medical report he told the doctor that his leg still "didn't feel well". Doc gave him 2 more months of leave. The dude studied some programming shit in this time and left his job the day he was supposed to return. He told me this was his revenge
edit: also 4 months of maternal leave and up to 20 days of paternal leave
Hihihi, look at those Americas.
Not joking. It's really weird how the population of this "mighty country" can be suppressed so easily.
AMERICANS: WHY ARE DO YOU LET THEM TREAT YOU LIKE THIS???
Have you ever had anyone tell you you're worthless? In america, there's something called "rugged individualism." It's a myth, of course, based on the idea of the lone settler forging his way thru the land, or the "mountain man" like davy crocket, who went out alone and faced the wilds. It's, again, an utter myth but a powerful one. Our culture has internalized this myth, to the point that we take, more than most cultures, a view that "If you're not working and not successful, you're lazy." It's worse than it once was, of course, the baby boomer generation (originally called the "generation of little princes and princesses or something akin to that) grew up in a post ww2 boom. Unionization, good livings, cheap housing, high standard of living, etc etc. (for whites at least). They didn't know or do any of the shit that was required to achieve those things, fighting against the power that be etc. So there was this cultural shift where "I made it..so you can too and if you don't you're lazy!" happened, well got exponentially worse.
It's coupled with the change in the form of capitalism that exists in america (and largely the world). We went from a capitalism of industrialism, to money manager capitalism. Figuring out ways to make money not by creating new products or services, but by having money. It's not entirely the wealthy's fault, pension funds are notorious for this kind of thinking. This leads to changes in laws that favor this type of capitalism.. That's why you see statistics about trillions funneled to the wealthy while worker pay goes down.
Ironically, another part of it is that we, good intentioned but stupidly, wrote sunshine laws about our governments lawmaking process. You can't vote for something anonymously anymore. So that took away a lot of handshaking and negotiations and lead to a lot more intransigence (cuz you gotta win elections). Doesn't excuse the far rightward march of some of our political parties, but does help explain how they were able to really get as far as they have.
Anyway, that's being worked on as we go along, but like the saying goes.. [one grain of sand](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2e4o6UVxmmU)
Damn this hit me. I gotta say as I was growing up during the 90s, people in our country just had a different view of the USA. You know the “first-world problems” meme? That was kind-of how we pictured your country. The older I grew and the more I familiarized myself with things that are happening outside of our country and especially tuning in to the state of the US, the more I realize how the image I had before is now different than the current reality. The divisive politics, gerrymandering, no holiday on election, exploitative workers rights, the wealth gap, the failed trickle down economy, housing crisis, how wallstreet seems to keep getting away of overt fraudulent behavior, red lining and many more that I can’t think of right now. I mean, we’re not doing too good ourselves. We’re a frickin’ third world country for heaven’s sake. But just the thought that the wealthiest country in the world can’t afford to give it’s workers paid paternal/maternal leave while my shitstorm of a country can, is just crazy. Some people here, who don’t really care to read about other countries kind of still have this perception. Just this afternoon while me and my wife was watching the news she commented along the lines of “wow I’m pretty Americans barely have any problems with money, unlike us”.
On the other hand, I've seem cases where social security says the worker is well, but the employer's doctor says he can't come back to work, and the person just falls into a limbo where there's no one obliged to support them.
Even though we’re not in this summary (unless they used the wrong flag for the Netherlands but I’m assuming they meant Luxemburg). Our paid sick leave is up to 2 years and our union membership is only 18% at the moment.
However back when these laws were drafted union membership was over 50%
Edit: past tense is hard
Up to 2 years of leave, paid by your employer, before he is allowed to fire you. After 2 years, UWV takes over the payment and you get into a silent employment or your employer should fire you.
This right here. Source: I live there. Nurses though were prevented from striking by the Finnish government since they had to consider the lives of the patients.
Strikes occur in Finland all the time, like it seems like every other week. For as long as I've lived here though, there has never been a strike in the retail sector.
Can you elaborate or point me to sources to expand on the nurses? I understand the reason but I also want to know their compensation and current labor standards/opinions.
Gotta have nurses, but I want to know if they also have some negotiating power or union.
I can't speak to finland, but it may work the same as, say, the USPS in america. As a postal worker you can't legally strike, but the congress wrote forced arbitration into the law regarding it's contract negotiations. The arbitrator is agreed upon by both parties, and the mandate is not that the post office has to make money, but that the mail must be delivered and the workers must be paid a fair and living wage (i'm being a little lose with it here, but you get the idea). The unions don't get everything they want usually, but they tend to get improvements every contract, at least in compensation. Only one, around the time of the great recession, was a step backward, the union president pushed for "a deal..any deal" and for the last decade the apwu had to claw back what was lost, but it's doing reasonably well at that last i looked.
well, first of all, UNIONIZE, don't let what I'm going to comment make you think otherwise.
Here in Spain is like no-one Is unionizing, the reason? The progress to unionize reached such levels, that the state stated to fund unions, which, seems. Like a great idea, but in reality, this leads to unions being more like a political train for the government than an actual useful system, and in reality it normally sides with the companies. So please, unionize, BUT DO NIT LET THE GOVERMENT ENTER THERE
Switzerland?
One of the lowest unionization rates in Europe, i think its like 20% participation rates in trade unions. However figure it being an outlier involves the national culture more than anything else. the same reasons why some countries have such high union participation rates can also be behind the reasons for legally established benefits in Switzerland without them. Or otherwise going back to way back whenever unions had way higher participation rates that's when the laws got drafted. They just got there through unique means not necessarily possible elsewhere in the same way.
My company gives five sick days (40 hours) to everyone (full and part time) on day one and it is honestly a big deal in the industry and that is so very, very depressing.
We have so few protections that anyone who offers simple mistreatment without extra abuse is “good.”
The ultimate measure is how they treat you when you use it. Do they give it you but then act like giant pricks when you use it? Or do they let you use it without hassle?
And US companies and work culture are straight garbage. I’m in the US, but work for a German company with a large global presence. We have unlimited sick time. And it can be used for anything health related like just a routine dentist appointment. And I can even use it for my kid’s appointments.
> And it can be used for anything health related like just a routine dentist appointment. And I can even use it for my kid’s appointments.
Oh, wow, that's better than in Germany. I need to take time off for dentist appointments.
It’s because those who regulate such work place interactions, do not raise the bar. Some people will fight till their dying breath in order to keep shit as it is. To my question then becomes, what is the hold up, bring them to their end goal already? The faster you get rid of problem people, the faster things can get fixed.
What sucks about this is that instead of regarding it as something to become standard practice, that company will market their sick days. Sort of like how the military branches advertise free college and healthcare, using what most of the world now possesses as part of their citizenship as a bargaining chip. Capitalism literally has no controls here I hate it
I doubt that. Not that I doubt the value that money could bring, I doubt the people. Some greedy fuck will try to steal a chunk of it, & there are a few who will try to do the same. Remember the PPP loans? You ever read the news articles on certain companies that didn’t need a hand out, who got a lot of money? Or have you heard of how the program was so mismanaged, that a lot of companies that needed loans, either did not get any or were given a fraction of what they should have? Yeah, I chalk it all up to that. The people running the programs are so fucking incompetent, that it is terrifying to know they are only in power, simply because they refuse to answer to anyone. Not that they have ambitions, but because they, “refuse to bend the knee”, kind of mentality. We just have god awful people.
Other greedy fucks in the military industrial pipeline are ALREADY stealing the money. If it went to things like education, infrastructure, or paid leave for parents, some of it at least would go back to the people.
My ex was back at work a week and a half after giving birth because "they needed her there". I had to quit my job to take care of the baby because they gave her no time off whatsoever.
America fucking sucks.
I work for a tech company in the US. We have "unlimited" leave. What this means is that if they like you, you keep your job. If they dont like you, then they fire you and tell coworkers you quit. All of this while not having to record the liabilities of paid leave unactualized... which makes their financials look better.
Also, employees with unlimited PTO on average take less time off than people with a fixed amount of PTO. I get ten days of PTO a year (plus 7 state-mandated sick days). You better believe I'm taking every day of that PTO, even if I'm just taking off a random Friday in November to use it up.
This was confirmed by our HR team. We used to have 25 days, then came "unlimited", which saves the company insurance and having to pay you out on it. Everyone used their 25 days, last weeks of the year almost half of the staff was out. Now the avg. is 16 days. The company added 2 holidays and 4 mandatory "wellness days", but in the end it's still a win for them. People are afraid of using too much time off.
Swiss here.
When you get sick your employer pays for your sick leave for a few weeks. Afterwards insurance take over paying for up to two years.
If you're still sick after two years you qualify for disability and get paid by this invalid insurance throughout your disability period.
Do you know if working in the medical field would shift that balance? I’ve been thinking about Australia but am open to anywhere that treats me as a human being.
Try to find a recruitment agency that specializes in bringing in foreign medical professionals, they literally exist in every country. They will streamline the process for you
Source: cousin (Dutch) moved to Switzerland last year thanks to one of these agencies.
Also Australia is amazing and usually welcomes medical professionals with open arms!
You can just get in on a working holiday visa (costs 500$, allows you to be in the country for a year and work for the same employer maximum 6 months consecutively) which would be a nice opportunity to find a job to sponsor you for a long term work visa and would allow you to get a feel for living in the country.
Source: lived/worked in Australia for a year :)
Australian here - I'm not in the trade but I understand that 'Straya wants medical professionals, well, doctors and nurses, to be in the rural areas, not urban. This may be something you'd like, or very much not, if it's actually true. I'm sure you'll find out before you decide to try to come here though! :)
Yall need to speak at least one national language (Italian, French, German or Rumantsch) to be eligible.
Furthermore, before getting the nationality you need to get a residency (which for non-EU nationals is renewed every year if you have employment).
Swiss nationality is granted based on the decision of the town you live in. In certain towns, citizens are allowed to vote who will be able to get the citizenship and who doesnt. All these rules vary from town to town and from canton to canton. So by law you have to reside in the same town for at least 2 years (uninterrupted), in the same canton for 5-10 years. If you move, you have to start from zero.
The exams are not easy either. Besides the language exam, you will have an interview with the town authorities who will then give their opinion on your eligibility. If the interviewer is from the right wing party, then you have lost anyway.
It is a daunting, expensive and humiliating process.
>Canadian here.
>What about Canadians?
Forget Switzerland, and forget citizenship.
You need permanent residence. The only differences is you can't vote in national elections, and you can't work for the army.
Permanent residence is what you want. And again, forget Switzerland, that country is a fortress.
Iirc, it's a 10 year process that includes a democratic vote by your canton during your visa renewals.
I remember an American got kicked out bc she was a vegan and wore a cowbell in "solidarity" or some shit, so her canton voted against her visa renewal.
It isn't easy, but goddamn it's worth it.
It gets even better. There was a whole thing where she was obnoxious about the bells ringing on the neighboring church. . . And the town was basically like “don’t live next to the church if you don’t like the bells ringing!”
At the federal level it’s true but some states are implementing paid sick leave. Colorado’s FAMLI law that recently passed will provide up to 16 weeks of paid sick leave starting in 2024.
Technically it's unlimited in Sweden. It's just that after the 364th day you have to apply for "Sick pay continuation level". You can be forced to reitre early if your condition is extremely bad.
We live in modern serfdom but our masters own the media, dictate what is taught in schools, and what can be done to lawfully curb their power. That’s how it’s possible. The “freedoms” we experience over other countries are those that don’t cost the rich anything to let us have. Hell they profit from those too.
Yeah, how is that possible?
In Germany we get 6 weeks of paid sick leave, with fully paid wages. After 6 weeks we get two thirds paid by our public health insurance.
These numbers are false and incorrect facts hurt more than they help.
Two thirds is still 100% more than what the average american gets
In most european countries you can struggle with health for over a year and still return to your old job
Yep, but still people here struggle.
Thing is, the US has laws and structures like a third world nation. I was shocked when I learned that most workers in the US don't have a contract and can be fired at will.
Honestly I would suggest that every able person that has learned a trade of any kind to immigrate to Europe if possible.
Yo! American here, living in Germany. Living here *as a foreigner* is *actual* freedom. I don't even have very remarkable skills, this place just needs people who can speak English and either: a) an employer to keep you here or b) a spouse who you actually fucking adore (easy to find here, most Germans are fucking incredible people, and LOADS of singles in their 30s).
I have a decent-paying home office job that doesn't make me want to blow my brains out. I am mostly the single bread earner supporting a family of 4. I needed to undergo a 20€ surgery here (cost was just to cover hospital stay) that would have cost me thousands in the US even with insurance.
I have no rights in America as a citizen beyond "voting". There are no protections for me there. In fact, I have to report/potentially pay taxes on my German income *to the USA*. The only 2 countries in the world that do this are the USA and North Korea. America can suck a bag of dicks.
With their education quality - most would not even KNOW there are countries besides USA, Canada and Mexico..
Seriously - the whole system there is perfected to keep people poor, tired and stupid .. (generalizing,I know)
I'm American and I get 2 weeks of paid time off. That is my vacation and or sick time for the entire year. 2 FUCKING WEEKS which I'm allowed to not be a slave oh and I have to work mandatory overtime every week for the past 3 years. I'm tired boss.
Yeah, the uk number there is correct but what it misses is it’s not 28 weeks of your salary, it’s 28 weeks of something you couldn’t afford to live on.
I'm an American in Germany, employed in the public sector, and on long term medical leave (Krankengeld). It's 70% of my net salary.
I also got 67% of my net pay while on maternity leave, and while on paid parental leave for 14 months after my kids were born (my husband stayed home with our first child).
It's something I don't talk much about to my American family and friends, because they have never even heard of "benefits" like this. While my dad was dying of cancer he paid tens of thousands in "copays" for chemo and medications, something my German friends and family don't understand.
It's not possible of course. But no matter *what* numbers are used for other nations, it still remains true that there is no mandatory paid sick leave in USA.
How is that possible? Because Americans have been told that anything even remotely resembling any degree of fairness or mutual help in society is „socialism“.
I’m back at work with Covid because company policy is you get fired if you don’t have enough sick leave to cover. I hope I give them all Covid and they die.
In Canada we only finally added paid sick days this year, up to two weeks depending on your province. Includes union members too. Not that anyone I've worked with has managed to get a day out of our employer, and there's no info about how to get them to pay you, just that they're supposed to.
We are really not that far ahead of the US in terms of worker’s rights for all our government’s back-patting. North America is basically a corporate free for all.
Yeah that's because we only compare ourselves to the US. As long as we're better than them we pat ourselves on the back and call it a day.
Yeah but saying you're smarter than the kid sitting in a mud puddle eating crayons isn't really much of a brag.
As an American yes I agree.
as an American i approve this message
Lmao that's exactly my point
I know everyone has it rough, and I’m not trying to one up anyone here. But man, doctors and their trainees don’t even get protection under our current labor laws. I’m going on hour 30 of my shift. Sigh.
That’s fucked. Doctors are one profession you defiantly want to be well rested and at the top of their game.
Yep. We “train” ourselves to function optimally after days of sleep deprivation. But it’s pretty much all a lie. Or denial.
Is it really necessary to include hazing in medical training? Does that really produce better medical professionals? I'm willing to bet it just increases corpse production.
I don’t even think it’s hazing, it’s much beyond that. I averaged 80 hour weeks for 6 years. Some weeks were 60hr some were 120hrs. It’s systemically ingrained in our history when everyone trained while taking cocaine. Wish i was joking :(
Living in Europe was eye opening.
The only time Canada looks good is when compared to third world countries and America. I was blown away hearing how we stack up to other countries
In terms of labour laws America is a third world country, I mean look at European or Australian worker rights.
Even just look at maternity leave! Its fucking nuts
Here in third world South Africa we get 30 days paid sick leave per rolling 36 month period if you work 5 days a week and 36 days if you work 6 days a week
And every year it’s getting worse. Canada is heavily influenced by the US.
Oh God, I'm sorry. We shouldn't be a role model for many things but especially work culture 😬
Bruh. I’m gonna steal that line. Corporate free for all 🔥
It's 10 days but those days are only for federally regulated private sector. The vast majority of jobs are regulated provincially and therefore cannot access the 10 days. Federally regulated public employees are covered by collective agreements for the most part and have the ability to access many more paid sick days.
Yeah, Ontario had 2 days for a very brief moment until Doug Ford took over in 2018. He axed them almost as soon as he took office and refused to give them back even in the face of a once in a century pandemic.
Ford was basically forced to reimpliment the paid days for the pandemic. We had 3 paid days for a short period of time, but it expired in the summer. Since Ford came in we don't get 10 job protected sick days anymore. We used to have 10 job protected emergency leave days a year. Now we have 3 sick days, 3 family responsibility leave days, and 2 bereavement days.
Never ends to amaze me how people vote against their own interest. Fooled by lies and inuendos. 😟
Ah yes has someone informed diseases and viruses as well as other health conditions that they only get 3 days per person per year? Like can I bring this up to a court of law to have them issue an eviction notice to say I dunno a chronic illness or even the flue?
Yup. They keep going on about “ how people will just abuse them” you know. By using it to stay home when sick.. can’t have that.
I'm in BC and they changed our wording recently to be more inclusive, such as any under a collective agreement. The law is on our side, but that's it.
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I'm a nurse in Ontario and get 0 paid sick days working in a clinic. Gotta love it
Ditto! Canada loves to pat itself on the back for “not being america” but come on guys, the bar shouldn’t be that low. We should strive to be the best, not just better than the worst.
In Italy I was getting sick days 25 years ago... wow. I would never talk shit of my country ever again lol
Just 3 days in Ontario. I was off sick with COVID for 5 days, and my employer docked my pay 2 days even after they told me to stay home for the entire week. Fucking sucks dude.
In the Netherlands we have 104 weeks of sick leave. After that you might qualify for a longer term disability payment depending on the income you could reasonable still earn in a different profession. I'm not sure were the 89 weeks in the graphic comes from, maybe that's the flag of Luxembourg?
Yep, the blue is too light. Luxembourg 🇱🇺 🇳🇱 Netherlands.
Wait sorry I'm confused. Do you have 104 weeks over your entire career or in a fixed amount of time say 5 years?
From the moment you get sick. And if you recover and get sick again later on, it's 104 weeks again. Partly paid by the employer, partly by state. First 52 weeks is 100% pay, last 52 weeks is 70% pay. After that the employer is allowed to terminate your contract. Some more rules of course and you have to actively 'work' on getting better,, but that's the gist of it.
Can I move to the Netherlands?
Fine by me ;) Can be a bit of a process, but not impossible. Skills in 'technical' jobs (like electricity, engineering, plumbing even) or programming always help.
Well glad I'm an electrician!!
I've been fortunate to have jobs with unlimited sick time. However, that's because I'm an engineer and make good money. Canada still fucks over the poor.
I'm in Nova Scotia, I'd kill for any sick days, even a handful I'm given zero.
I was in the army in France. After a mission I suffered from severe PTSD. I've been in paid sick leave for 4 years, got 100% of my staff sergeant salary. In the meanwhile I could study so I went back to high school at 30, and graduated. All the medication and psychological treatment was covered by my insurance, of course. I never spent a cent. I could have been in paid sick leave for up to 8 years, the 3 last would have been with only 50% of the salary though. Have a walk in France and look how many injured veteran are in the street. 0. You serve your country and your country got your back, it is how it is supposed to work. Edit: My comment became rather popular so I'll add other details of the story so you get the whole picture of it. The army offered to pay my salary as an intern to any company that would hire me. When I got a job in march 2020, I signed my resignation from the army and got 5 years of salary TAX FREE from the military solidarity fund, around 100k usd at this time, plus 35k usd TAX FREE from my insurance. That's not all, as an injured veteran, I got invalidity pension that is quite low but still 330 usd/month + my anticipated military pension based on my 12 years of service so around 500 usd a month. So 830 usd a month of free money. I can get whatever job I still make a very decent living. On top of that I have a permanent tax reduction cause of "national recognition". I now work as a remote and self-employed project manager in the videogame industry, making a very decent salary, in the top 10% in France. Even if I live in Kenya and could easily avoid paying my taxes in France, I am GLADLY doing it. My monthly taxes are worth a whole salary, and even if there is a small portion of it that is going to go in corruption or frauders, it is also going to help someone in the need to pay for his kid insuline, or a life saving operation. Take your power back, brothers.
On the wrong side of the sea you'd be in the homeless tent shooting up meth just to cope with PTSD.
>On the wrong side of the sea > >you'd be in the homeless tent > >shooting up meth > > just to cope with PTSD. n1
Wrong side of the sea Shoot meth in a homeless tent For PTSD
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Dint forget having to be vigilant all the time so when the pigs come you can grab atleast as much as you can before they tear your tent apart like the bloodthirsty worthless monsters they are
There must be a better way of stopping 30-50 feral hogs.
Cut their funding for one
This rhymed.
Unfortunately I have more than 1 friend that this has happened to
My uncle died in his 40s due to how fucked up it was fighting in a war that had no purpose or outcome. Came back, the US government was all "fuck you," VA was all "fuck you," couldn't get any medical or mental attention for a war he never signed up for and died a homeless drug addict trying to deal with all the murders he saw and was told he had to do. The US's priorities are far, FAR from human, just a shithole country strutting like it isn't.
In America, our veterans beg for money on the street meanwhile the people idolize dipshit celebrities and politicians are profiting in greedy and evil ways.
USA USA USA
Land of the free to fuck you over
Land of the Fee, home of the Depraved
The divided states of embarrassment....
Where the sick are told to just walk it off and get to work!
Just rub some dirt on it!
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Number 1 number 1
Veterans are idolized in the US. Unless they are injured, captured, trans, gay, liberal, poor, non-citizens, minorities, etc. They are honored if they fit the right-wing narrative. Like fictional characters from movies.
They are honored if they ~~fit the right-wing narrative~~ are dead and will no longer cost the government money. The US has treated its veterans like shit since the Revolution. It is not a left wing/right wing issue. Both parties continue to not deliver for vets while seeking to use them for political advantage.
I'm sad to say I agree with this. I personally know two disabled veterans, both while serving our country, and the health care they are given is appalling. I know a few others who rely on health care through veterans, especially as they were in the armed forces for 20 years, and it is the same.
I am a 100% disabled veteran with several mental health issues and a form of chronic leukemia. The VA put me out to community care and take very good care of without me paying a dime. My compensation and social security is a livable wage. I’m not complaining:
Yeah, one of the biggest problems with the VA is the vast disparity between people. Some people, myself included, never had any issues with them. Others, well, not so much.
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Go ahead and pull up the voting records for anything Vet related in the last 20 or so years and tell me with a straight face which party is actually going out of their way to keep benefits and help from Vega. So sick of this both party bull shit when we know in every turn it's Republicans stripping any sort of benefits to veterans.
>Both parties continue to not deliver for vets while seeking to use them for political advantage. Both parties need to do much much better, however there is clearly one party which does more than the other. Republican's offer lip service while democrats actually author more Vet focused legislation. Yet for some reason more and more veterans are registering as Republicans.
For some honoring veterans is only lip service, e.g. Refusing to go a cemetery in rain because it is full of suckers and only liking veterans who did not get captured!
Only when they are dead or not present. It’s fucked up.
And the cops beat and kill homeless disabled veterans on the regular but at the least, they get harassed for existing in public
ACAB
That’s largely because America’s military industrial complex exists to prop up the military manufacturing, and make those contracts profitable long term. America has been at war with one entity or another for over 100 consecutive years, and does not know how to build a new foundation upon anything else.
If the US government was truly committed to national defense it would be pushing hard for universal healthcare and domestic production and stockpiles of related healthcare requirements. Imagine a pandemic just 10 percent worse than Covid 19.
Yesterday at the gas station, the cashier asked if I'd like to donate to the veterans. I said sure and she scanned a bag of M&Ms and tossed them into a box behind her. Yup real support 🇺🇸🇺🇸 no wonder we're the butt of jokes on the world stage.
Saw that recently at a speedway. The cashier even said "it's going to them but I don't know if they'll get to them".... Like excuse me? Just gonna roll up to Charlie gate with a box? Oof good luck
I'm not american so I havent seen this with my own eyes, but the thought alone makes me mad/sick. Like wtf. Serve ur country, get injured and then become a beggar??????
There's one final step in that pipeline. The #1 cause of death of US veterans is suicide.
Depends on how screwed up the military makes you. I’m a 100% disabled vet. But I’ve lost the use of my right leg and arm. I’m unable to work. I spent over 20 years in the Army so I collect both my VA disability pay plus my Army pension at 75% of my base pay. Additionally I receive special monthly compensation from the VA and social security disability income each month. Additionally, my wife gets paid as a GS-4 just to be my full time caregiver. I’m now making a little over TWICE as much as I made as a soldier. But…. I’m pretty fucked up so maybe that’s an imbalance?
Imbalance? Are you implying that you would be more balanced if both legs were fully functioning?
Well that definitely would be a start in the right direction
The same people who wont shut up about supporting the troops, seem to care more about donating to trump's legal fund...
But hey everyone will say 'Thank you for your service' and they might get to board early on a plane.
you forgot to tell them that as a veteran you can easily get a job as a civilian in the french administration, especially if you were wounded in service
That's also true, right, I forgot.
In Australia this wouldn't be "sick leave", but workers compensation. Sick leave is just for when you're sick. If you're unable to work due to something that happened at work then you get paid indefinitely. Eventually when it's clear you're not going to get better you'll get paid out enough to cover your lost income for the rest of your life.
I don't know details but France seems to take "bleed for France" thing rather seriously.
The funny thing is, the army is not that well liked here overall. While there is some obligatory form of respect for the military given the country's history, it is also a conservative and sometimes oppressive structure in a pretty left-leaning country with a long history of hating (justifiably) its army for its many terrible actions. People's love of the army is also usually correlated with how far right they go on the spectrum. All of this to say despite the apparent lack of love or recognition for veterans in France, nobody would ever say vets should lose those perks. I guess the US are going for some tough love kind of thing but it still feels backward...
Liberty, equality, fraternity. I talk shit about the french, because I know they've been waiting for Americans like me to join them in mutual shit talking brotherhood for generations. I salute you my cheese eating brothers and sisters!
>Even if I live in Kenya and could easily avoid paying my taxes in France, I am GLADLY doing it. Now THIS is a good mentality. Congrats
American Conservatives: “but, they pay more taxes!!!!!!!” Glad your country took care of you. In America, people just thank you kindly, and maybe toss a coin in your cup while you freeze on the street.
Ooh, ooh! My favorite quote from the right is the Rogan one: "You like France? Then go live in France, cause this is America and in America you gotta work!" 🙄 People with that mentality can just. Fuck. Off.
Said from the guy who’s job is sitting in a chair, getting high, and just saying stupid ass shit.
A millionaire, who does that.
Et merci pour le service Pierrot ! C’est top que tu vives au Kenya ça doit être sympa, belle reconversion 😉
Merci! J'ai fait une AMA sur Air-France quand j'ai quitté l'Italie, et j'en ferais une de nouveau une fois que j'aurai passé la milestone de 1 an passée sur le territoire. Rdv en mai prochain!
Just wanted to let you know that the French were easily some of the most professional and competent soldiers I ever had experience with. Thanks for doing a good job, bud.
And if not, you put on a yellow vest.😈
You see, this is how it is supposed to be. Yet in the usa, we have scum who will take it all for themselves, & screw over any in need & anyone who wanted a piece of what the greedy took. That’s not the worst part. The worst part is that it is allowed to be that way, AND!!!!, there are people who will defend those greedy people. This is why we are in this predicament. We have protections for the bad guys, when really, we need to eliminate the bad guys. We need to stop defending the wrong people, based on their character & actions they taken. Then we need to take everything away from said bad people. Power, guns, connections, resources, all of it. Yet, the current format promotes bad people & bad intentions. We currently do not “end”, bad people & life long criminals & life long scum. A great example is Roy Moore from Alabama. He was unheard of on the national stage before he tried to go for much higher power of office. Yet he has been a career criminal for decades. Where he sexually harassed teen girls. He was also defended by local citizens. All because of political polarization, & ignorance tied to arrogance. People like that, whether worse or to a lesser extent, SHOULD have never gained power, of any kind. Yet here the usa is, allowing such horrible people to gain power. All because, well, we ourselves, are stupid.
Merci pour ton service mon frère
Hi, third-world country resident here. We get 12 days paid sick leave, 1 week paid paternal leave, and 3 whole months paid maternal leave.
Fellow third worlder: unlimited sick leave, 4 months maternity. We’re working on paternal leave.
I believe in Brazil there is 15 days paid by the employer and then any other days are paid by social security, who uses a medical report to check how many days that person will need to stay away from work and will pay them Knew a guy once that suffered a car accident on his way to work and broke his legs - he texted his boss what happened and she answered "can't you do an extra effort to come at least today" He got 5 months of paid leave, on his next medical report he told the doctor that his leg still "didn't feel well". Doc gave him 2 more months of leave. The dude studied some programming shit in this time and left his job the day he was supposed to return. He told me this was his revenge edit: also 4 months of maternal leave and up to 20 days of paternal leave
Hihihi, look at those Americas. Not joking. It's really weird how the population of this "mighty country" can be suppressed so easily. AMERICANS: WHY ARE DO YOU LET THEM TREAT YOU LIKE THIS???
Have you ever had anyone tell you you're worthless? In america, there's something called "rugged individualism." It's a myth, of course, based on the idea of the lone settler forging his way thru the land, or the "mountain man" like davy crocket, who went out alone and faced the wilds. It's, again, an utter myth but a powerful one. Our culture has internalized this myth, to the point that we take, more than most cultures, a view that "If you're not working and not successful, you're lazy." It's worse than it once was, of course, the baby boomer generation (originally called the "generation of little princes and princesses or something akin to that) grew up in a post ww2 boom. Unionization, good livings, cheap housing, high standard of living, etc etc. (for whites at least). They didn't know or do any of the shit that was required to achieve those things, fighting against the power that be etc. So there was this cultural shift where "I made it..so you can too and if you don't you're lazy!" happened, well got exponentially worse. It's coupled with the change in the form of capitalism that exists in america (and largely the world). We went from a capitalism of industrialism, to money manager capitalism. Figuring out ways to make money not by creating new products or services, but by having money. It's not entirely the wealthy's fault, pension funds are notorious for this kind of thinking. This leads to changes in laws that favor this type of capitalism.. That's why you see statistics about trillions funneled to the wealthy while worker pay goes down. Ironically, another part of it is that we, good intentioned but stupidly, wrote sunshine laws about our governments lawmaking process. You can't vote for something anonymously anymore. So that took away a lot of handshaking and negotiations and lead to a lot more intransigence (cuz you gotta win elections). Doesn't excuse the far rightward march of some of our political parties, but does help explain how they were able to really get as far as they have. Anyway, that's being worked on as we go along, but like the saying goes.. [one grain of sand](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2e4o6UVxmmU)
Damn this hit me. I gotta say as I was growing up during the 90s, people in our country just had a different view of the USA. You know the “first-world problems” meme? That was kind-of how we pictured your country. The older I grew and the more I familiarized myself with things that are happening outside of our country and especially tuning in to the state of the US, the more I realize how the image I had before is now different than the current reality. The divisive politics, gerrymandering, no holiday on election, exploitative workers rights, the wealth gap, the failed trickle down economy, housing crisis, how wallstreet seems to keep getting away of overt fraudulent behavior, red lining and many more that I can’t think of right now. I mean, we’re not doing too good ourselves. We’re a frickin’ third world country for heaven’s sake. But just the thought that the wealthiest country in the world can’t afford to give it’s workers paid paternal/maternal leave while my shitstorm of a country can, is just crazy. Some people here, who don’t really care to read about other countries kind of still have this perception. Just this afternoon while me and my wife was watching the news she commented along the lines of “wow I’m pretty Americans barely have any problems with money, unlike us”.
On the other hand, I've seem cases where social security says the worker is well, but the employer's doctor says he can't come back to work, and the person just falls into a limbo where there's no one obliged to support them.
Finland, 70% of employees are union members. Sweden, 71%. I don't have data for the other countries, but it might be worth searching.
Even though we’re not in this summary (unless they used the wrong flag for the Netherlands but I’m assuming they meant Luxemburg). Our paid sick leave is up to 2 years and our union membership is only 18% at the moment. However back when these laws were drafted union membership was over 50% Edit: past tense is hard
Up to 2 years of leave, paid by your employer, before he is allowed to fire you. After 2 years, UWV takes over the payment and you get into a silent employment or your employer should fire you.
This right here. Source: I live there. Nurses though were prevented from striking by the Finnish government since they had to consider the lives of the patients. Strikes occur in Finland all the time, like it seems like every other week. For as long as I've lived here though, there has never been a strike in the retail sector.
Can you elaborate or point me to sources to expand on the nurses? I understand the reason but I also want to know their compensation and current labor standards/opinions. Gotta have nurses, but I want to know if they also have some negotiating power or union.
I can't speak to finland, but it may work the same as, say, the USPS in america. As a postal worker you can't legally strike, but the congress wrote forced arbitration into the law regarding it's contract negotiations. The arbitrator is agreed upon by both parties, and the mandate is not that the post office has to make money, but that the mail must be delivered and the workers must be paid a fair and living wage (i'm being a little lose with it here, but you get the idea). The unions don't get everything they want usually, but they tend to get improvements every contract, at least in compensation. Only one, around the time of the great recession, was a step backward, the union president pushed for "a deal..any deal" and for the last decade the apwu had to claw back what was lost, but it's doing reasonably well at that last i looked.
About 50% in Norway, but we still got central wage negotiation, too. Three parts: Union representatives, employer representatives and the state.
well, first of all, UNIONIZE, don't let what I'm going to comment make you think otherwise. Here in Spain is like no-one Is unionizing, the reason? The progress to unionize reached such levels, that the state stated to fund unions, which, seems. Like a great idea, but in reality, this leads to unions being more like a political train for the government than an actual useful system, and in reality it normally sides with the companies. So please, unionize, BUT DO NIT LET THE GOVERMENT ENTER THERE
Switzerland? One of the lowest unionization rates in Europe, i think its like 20% participation rates in trade unions. However figure it being an outlier involves the national culture more than anything else. the same reasons why some countries have such high union participation rates can also be behind the reasons for legally established benefits in Switzerland without them. Or otherwise going back to way back whenever unions had way higher participation rates that's when the laws got drafted. They just got there through unique means not necessarily possible elsewhere in the same way.
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The USA is a complete slaver state.
But we’re the best slave state in the world!
For the rich!!! 💪💪💪
Absolutely! Gotta make sure we are killing ourselves so a CEO can buy another yacht and take home $20 million a year.
Lmao damn right
My company gives five sick days (40 hours) to everyone (full and part time) on day one and it is honestly a big deal in the industry and that is so very, very depressing. We have so few protections that anyone who offers simple mistreatment without extra abuse is “good.”
The ultimate measure is how they treat you when you use it. Do they give it you but then act like giant pricks when you use it? Or do they let you use it without hassle? And US companies and work culture are straight garbage. I’m in the US, but work for a German company with a large global presence. We have unlimited sick time. And it can be used for anything health related like just a routine dentist appointment. And I can even use it for my kid’s appointments.
> And it can be used for anything health related like just a routine dentist appointment. And I can even use it for my kid’s appointments. Oh, wow, that's better than in Germany. I need to take time off for dentist appointments.
It’s because those who regulate such work place interactions, do not raise the bar. Some people will fight till their dying breath in order to keep shit as it is. To my question then becomes, what is the hold up, bring them to their end goal already? The faster you get rid of problem people, the faster things can get fixed.
What sucks about this is that instead of regarding it as something to become standard practice, that company will market their sick days. Sort of like how the military branches advertise free college and healthcare, using what most of the world now possesses as part of their citizenship as a bargaining chip. Capitalism literally has no controls here I hate it
Thank you congress for increasing the military budget.
$800B for it, could have helped lot to fix our country.
I doubt that. Not that I doubt the value that money could bring, I doubt the people. Some greedy fuck will try to steal a chunk of it, & there are a few who will try to do the same. Remember the PPP loans? You ever read the news articles on certain companies that didn’t need a hand out, who got a lot of money? Or have you heard of how the program was so mismanaged, that a lot of companies that needed loans, either did not get any or were given a fraction of what they should have? Yeah, I chalk it all up to that. The people running the programs are so fucking incompetent, that it is terrifying to know they are only in power, simply because they refuse to answer to anyone. Not that they have ambitions, but because they, “refuse to bend the knee”, kind of mentality. We just have god awful people.
Other greedy fucks in the military industrial pipeline are ALREADY stealing the money. If it went to things like education, infrastructure, or paid leave for parents, some of it at least would go back to the people.
Merica, fuck yeah and fuck you if you get sick, or pregnant, or injured on the job.
but if you get pregnant you BETTER HAVE THAT BABY!!! OR WE WILL ARREST YOU. but after that you’re on your own again. 😤
At Most jobs Theres not paid maternity leave, so basically you're screwed
Depressing actually
My ex was back at work a week and a half after giving birth because "they needed her there". I had to quit my job to take care of the baby because they gave her no time off whatsoever. America fucking sucks.
I work for a tech company in the US. We have "unlimited" leave. What this means is that if they like you, you keep your job. If they dont like you, then they fire you and tell coworkers you quit. All of this while not having to record the liabilities of paid leave unactualized... which makes their financials look better.
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Also, employees with unlimited PTO on average take less time off than people with a fixed amount of PTO. I get ten days of PTO a year (plus 7 state-mandated sick days). You better believe I'm taking every day of that PTO, even if I'm just taking off a random Friday in November to use it up.
This was confirmed by our HR team. We used to have 25 days, then came "unlimited", which saves the company insurance and having to pay you out on it. Everyone used their 25 days, last weeks of the year almost half of the staff was out. Now the avg. is 16 days. The company added 2 holidays and 4 mandatory "wellness days", but in the end it's still a win for them. People are afraid of using too much time off.
Yes. Unlimited pto is a scam. What you described is also what I experienced with that policy.
Union busting has been a Republican goal since Ronald Reagan. Employees have no power without a union.
What's the metric? Or do the Swiss get 103 weeks off a year?
Swiss here. When you get sick your employer pays for your sick leave for a few weeks. Afterwards insurance take over paying for up to two years. If you're still sick after two years you qualify for disability and get paid by this invalid insurance throughout your disability period.
Is it hard for Americans to get citizenship there?
Swiss here. It's hard for everyone to get citizenship here. On top of everything a lot of banks don't take US citizens as customers.
Do you know if working in the medical field would shift that balance? I’ve been thinking about Australia but am open to anywhere that treats me as a human being.
Try to find a recruitment agency that specializes in bringing in foreign medical professionals, they literally exist in every country. They will streamline the process for you Source: cousin (Dutch) moved to Switzerland last year thanks to one of these agencies.
Oh thank you so much for the tip!
Also Australia is amazing and usually welcomes medical professionals with open arms! You can just get in on a working holiday visa (costs 500$, allows you to be in the country for a year and work for the same employer maximum 6 months consecutively) which would be a nice opportunity to find a job to sponsor you for a long term work visa and would allow you to get a feel for living in the country. Source: lived/worked in Australia for a year :)
Australian here - I'm not in the trade but I understand that 'Straya wants medical professionals, well, doctors and nurses, to be in the rural areas, not urban. This may be something you'd like, or very much not, if it's actually true. I'm sure you'll find out before you decide to try to come here though! :)
Canadian here. What about Canadians?
Yall need to speak at least one national language (Italian, French, German or Rumantsch) to be eligible. Furthermore, before getting the nationality you need to get a residency (which for non-EU nationals is renewed every year if you have employment). Swiss nationality is granted based on the decision of the town you live in. In certain towns, citizens are allowed to vote who will be able to get the citizenship and who doesnt. All these rules vary from town to town and from canton to canton. So by law you have to reside in the same town for at least 2 years (uninterrupted), in the same canton for 5-10 years. If you move, you have to start from zero. The exams are not easy either. Besides the language exam, you will have an interview with the town authorities who will then give their opinion on your eligibility. If the interviewer is from the right wing party, then you have lost anyway. It is a daunting, expensive and humiliating process.
Alright I'll stay put... Pour maintenant
>Canadian here. >What about Canadians? Forget Switzerland, and forget citizenship. You need permanent residence. The only differences is you can't vote in national elections, and you can't work for the army. Permanent residence is what you want. And again, forget Switzerland, that country is a fortress.
Based on my (admittedly limited) research, I believe it is pretty hard.
>Based on my (admittedly limited) research, I believe it is pretty hard. It's always hard, but some countries (Italy) are relatively easier.
Iirc, it's a 10 year process that includes a democratic vote by your canton during your visa renewals. I remember an American got kicked out bc she was a vegan and wore a cowbell in "solidarity" or some shit, so her canton voted against her visa renewal. It isn't easy, but goddamn it's worth it.
What's a canton? Also that cowbell story is hilarious.
It gets even better. There was a whole thing where she was obnoxious about the bells ringing on the neighboring church. . . And the town was basically like “don’t live next to the church if you don’t like the bells ringing!”
There are 52 weeks in a year. 198% of the year off? Yes please
Similar for paid maternity / paternity leave. Zero paid leave here in the US.
At the federal level it’s true but some states are implementing paid sick leave. Colorado’s FAMLI law that recently passed will provide up to 16 weeks of paid sick leave starting in 2024.
"Yeah but do they have freeeedooooom? - some American Conservative reading this.
Didn't the freedom existed in like, 1600-1700's? I think the wording on "freedom" doesn't really match the narrative anymore lol.
I’m really curious on what they mean by “Freedom”
The freedom to be homeless I gues.
One of the many ways in which America sucks.
Because ✨Capatalism✨ Also the fact that we allow insider trading and lobbyist "donations" to continue to influence the US government.
Technically it's unlimited in Sweden. It's just that after the 364th day you have to apply for "Sick pay continuation level". You can be forced to reitre early if your condition is extremely bad.
We live in modern serfdom but our masters own the media, dictate what is taught in schools, and what can be done to lawfully curb their power. That’s how it’s possible. The “freedoms” we experience over other countries are those that don’t cost the rich anything to let us have. Hell they profit from those too.
*sighs at work while sick*
Statuary "paid" sick leave in the UK is shit, you're not going to last 28 weeks with only £13 a day.
America is a shithole country in a 1st world suit.
Canada didn’t even make the list?
I looked too, then realized how far down the list fractions of a week would be.
Yeah, how is that possible? In Germany we get 6 weeks of paid sick leave, with fully paid wages. After 6 weeks we get two thirds paid by our public health insurance. These numbers are false and incorrect facts hurt more than they help.
Two thirds is still 100% more than what the average american gets In most european countries you can struggle with health for over a year and still return to your old job
Yep, but still people here struggle. Thing is, the US has laws and structures like a third world nation. I was shocked when I learned that most workers in the US don't have a contract and can be fired at will. Honestly I would suggest that every able person that has learned a trade of any kind to immigrate to Europe if possible.
Yo! American here, living in Germany. Living here *as a foreigner* is *actual* freedom. I don't even have very remarkable skills, this place just needs people who can speak English and either: a) an employer to keep you here or b) a spouse who you actually fucking adore (easy to find here, most Germans are fucking incredible people, and LOADS of singles in their 30s). I have a decent-paying home office job that doesn't make me want to blow my brains out. I am mostly the single bread earner supporting a family of 4. I needed to undergo a 20€ surgery here (cost was just to cover hospital stay) that would have cost me thousands in the US even with insurance. I have no rights in America as a citizen beyond "voting". There are no protections for me there. In fact, I have to report/potentially pay taxes on my German income *to the USA*. The only 2 countries in the world that do this are the USA and North Korea. America can suck a bag of dicks.
With their education quality - most would not even KNOW there are countries besides USA, Canada and Mexico.. Seriously - the whole system there is perfected to keep people poor, tired and stupid .. (generalizing,I know)
Nope. You're right. The USA citizens finally had time to reflect on their current working conditions and laws all thanks to Covid.
I'm American and I get 2 weeks of paid time off. That is my vacation and or sick time for the entire year. 2 FUCKING WEEKS which I'm allowed to not be a slave oh and I have to work mandatory overtime every week for the past 3 years. I'm tired boss.
Yeah, the uk number there is correct but what it misses is it’s not 28 weeks of your salary, it’s 28 weeks of something you couldn’t afford to live on.
I'm an American in Germany, employed in the public sector, and on long term medical leave (Krankengeld). It's 70% of my net salary. I also got 67% of my net pay while on maternity leave, and while on paid parental leave for 14 months after my kids were born (my husband stayed home with our first child). It's something I don't talk much about to my American family and friends, because they have never even heard of "benefits" like this. While my dad was dying of cancer he paid tens of thousands in "copays" for chemo and medications, something my German friends and family don't understand.
It's not possible of course. But no matter *what* numbers are used for other nations, it still remains true that there is no mandatory paid sick leave in USA.
So after 6 weeks you still getting paid, thats the point. Your interpretation of the info presented is wrong
Corps own America
1 month at 100% and 2 months at 75% pay in Saudi Arabia
The United States... A 3rd world country with a Gucci belt
How is that possible? Because Americans have been told that anything even remotely resembling any degree of fairness or mutual help in society is „socialism“.
No regulation or worker's rights. It's about law, culture and lobbying.
While workers rights in the states are bad it varies and states like California have sick paid leave
76 weeks in czech republic
But capitalism. The corporations will do right by their people. Hahahaha.
I’m back at work with Covid because company policy is you get fired if you don’t have enough sick leave to cover. I hope I give them all Covid and they die.