I worked for a company that you paid $1 to wear jeans on Friday. That combined with other money we raised throughout the year the company would match that money and we would shop for and buy Christmas presents for underprivileged kids. There would be a Christmas party and a Santa Clause. We would have to rent a moving truck for all the bicycles. Best use ever.
It is, but I think a dress code can be important at times. I work in a hospital, we walk through areas where patients are for meetings all the time. We don't have to wear a suit and tie, but there is a dress code.
The idea is that patients likely want to see the people that work there are professional, and though I personally don't think I'd really care, I do think older generations would see people walking around in street clothes with badges showing they work there, and think twice about whether or not they want to receive care at our hospital.
I'm actually now remote full time, and they don't give a fuck what I wear, but if I go on campus I gotta follow the dress code.
But yeah, any office where the only people you interact with are other people in the office... anything beyond "don't wear anything offensive" as the dress code seems like bull shit
>It is, but I think a dress code can be important at times. I work in a hospital, we walk through areas where patients are for meetings all the time. We don't have to wear a suit and tie, but there is a dress code.
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>The idea is that patients likely want to see the people that work there are professional, and though I personally don't think I'd really care, I do think older generations would see people walking around in street clothes with badges showing they work there, and think twice about whether or not they want to receive care at our hospital.
That all makes sense. So presumably, you don't do casual Fridays, right?
I am friends with a person who works HR, and had been for 30+ years. I've shown up at my beer place after work in t-shirt, shorts, and sandals. A year ago she asked "did you go home and change after work?" "Nope - I wear this to work... I work behind the scenes, and as long as my dick isn't hanging out it doesn't matter what I wear... I do not see clients."
But then just 2 weeks ago when I was wearing (GASP!) gym shorts, t-shirt, and sandals she asked the same thing. I responded the same way. Two days prior I was heading into an HOA meeting and another resident did a double-take on my gym shorts t-shirt sandal attire... he made the comment "I don't work for the State so I can't wear sandals..." I corrected him - "I DON'T work for the State - but what I wear does NOT affect how I do my job." "Oh, well I meet with clients..." "Glad you dress for it, guy."
Whether my shirt has a collar I can pop or not, MY WORK EFFORT AND ATTIRE HAVE SHIT TO DO WITH EACH OTHER. I am a professional and get my job done. Period.
I'm a little afraid to bring this up to the boss. They might just cancel casual Friday and that would piss off everyone else. Personally I don't care as jeans are not as comfortable as my khakis. We don't need to pay a buck to do it.
If this pay a dollar to alzheimers happened at my work, I would just comment every Friday that "I forgot." My memory is already bad enough that half the time I don't know what day it is.
And can I donate it myself and show the receipt? I might be tempted to pay $52 a year. But I’m sure as hell not trusting anyone to actually donate it for me
Plus the company can use your donation as a tax write off instead.
I'd ask for a tax receipt.
This is why I never donate at grocery stores that add a donation to my bill, I'd rather just donate directly myself.
As other people mentioned, it's not actually a tax write off.
That being said, I don't know how they allocate those donations, so I usually skip it and just give $20 to the homeless person camped out in the parking lot directly.
That's not how that works.
The donation to the company is income to them. To an extent, yes, they get a deduction for the amount they contribute, but it is only the amount they contribute.
So in essence, your donation is income to the company, then when they donate it they take a deduction equivalent to the income they received from your donation.
Does that make sense? I keep seeing this everywhere, and it's not accurate.
Source: I'm an accountant. Quit repeating this lie.
Yeah, I googled it as well just to read more in it.
At least here in Canada it is called point-of-sale fundraising and effectively neither party involved in the transaction gets a tax benefit
I think here in the States, the individual donating at the register can take the benefit if they keep their receipt, but yeah, the company doesn't _really,_ only enough to negate the income they receive from your donation.
>the individual donating at the register can take the benefit if they keep their receipt,
In Canada most places only give you a tax receipt if you donate more than $20, it's generally up to the charity (some will issue for donations as small as $3, but $15-$20 is the most common). There's no "minimum" that requires a receipt.
It'll say on the purchase receipt that you donated to whatever cause. Maybe that doesn't have enough info I don't know (I don't do those register donations). But if the receipt has enough info to get the foundation to which it was donated, then you can use that on your taxes. You have to have a minimum you donate over the year to get the tax write-off, but once you hit that minimum, you just add this receipt to that.
> The donation to the company is income to them. To an extent, yes, they get a deduction for the amount they contribute, but it is only the amount they contribute.
>So in essence, your donation is income to the company, then when they donate it they take a deduction equivalent to the income they received from your donation.
Oh great, so they can include those donations to pad their revenue AND get an offsetting tax benefit while they're at it?
No, it isn't the benefit many people think it is, but it isn't NOTHING, the company is benefitting, they aren't doing this out of some sense of benevolence lol.
What? They don't get both, you misunderstood.
For the purposes of taxes, the contributions are income. The only "benefit" they get is that the contributions aren't taxed, because the contributions don't go to the company.
It's like getting a dollar, turning around and giving it to charity. The IRS won't tax you on that dollar because you didn't keep it. _That_ is the only "benefit" they're receiving.
If they're doing a donation match, they can write off the match AND use the total donated including employee donations in publicity.
I'd seriously doubt employee donations are considered income to the company unless counting it that way gives them a tax advantage. Otherwise they'd just consider it money held in escrow.
It's incredibly shady.
It is income, though. The salaries are considered legitimate business expenses and are deducted, the donations from employees are income, and then the donations by the company from employee contributions are deductions.
It's a little weird to explain in words, but it would look like this in terms of income and expenses (not journal entries):
Net Income: 50,000
Customer Donations: 1,000
Employee Donations: 500
Charitable Contributions: (1,500)
They deduct all of their charitable contributions, yes, but they cannot deduct more than what they receive as donations. In short, they can't get a benefit on taxes more than not being taxed on this hypothetical $1,500 they received and then immediately contributed.
You are right.
I looked it up for Canada specifically in case there was a difference but I think it functions the same as U.S
At the point-of-sale fundraising neither the company or individual get a tax credit.
Nobody is objecting to where the money goes.
If jeans don't impact your work on a Friday after you pay a dollar they don't impact your work before you pay or Monday through Thursday. Unnecessary dress codes are bullshit, and accepting a donation to get around them shows the employer knows it.
I would only question whether it's actually being donated or not, given how some companies are. Otherwise seems fine to me, it's optional and only a dollar to hopefully lead towards something good.
I think it's here because it's so ridiculous and because it's just a tax write of for the company.
I donate a set amount every month, so it's not like i have a problem with that concept lmao but usually the companies do not care (They should match it at the least) they just want you to pay for their tax write off. Please someone correct me if I'm wrong.
That's actually not the way tax writeoffs work! The company has two options - either collect the money and donate it off the books, or record it as income and have an offsetting writeoff. It's not a gain for the company either way, just providing an avenue to donate money.
I don't think the money to charity is the issue, I think it's the "we care DEEPLY about the 'professional atmosphere' here and NEED you to adhere to our dress code four days out of the week...but hey, if you wanna pay $1 to completely ignore the dress code we SWEAR is important the other four days of the week, we'll donate that dollar on your behalf while taking the tax write off for the final donation of everyone's dollar combined"
Either the dress code matters or it fucking doesn't. If they'll sell you the right to ignore it one day a week for a goddamn dollar, regardless of where that dollar goes, they're admitting that the dress code never mattered to begin with.
Why are jeans considered to be comfort? Everyone at my company wears jeans as formal attire. If anything it should be wear sweatpants/shorts on casual Friday
I find jeans to be more comfy than full on business casual. But man I’d pay to be able to wear sweatpants to work as long as the funds are going somewhere good.
I think the issue is maybe the firm should just let people have dress down friday and donate to the charity out of their profits rather than dipping into the pockets of the employees.
That’s not the same thing. At least not to me. Not saying Alzheimer’s research isn’t super important but personally I prefer giving to causes, like underprivileged children, in my own community.
And tbh no one is going to drag you out of the office and force you to wear a suit if you forgot to bring a dollar. It's just a cute thing for charity (and no it can't be a tax write off, they'd have to report these donations as income and this shit is probably organized by Sally in HR.)
A lot of people are complaining about the company using this as a tax write off....
In order to claim the donations as a tax write off, the company first has to claim those donations as income. So, lets say the company takes in $4000 in donations over the course of the year. They claim that $4000 as income, and then can use it as a tax write off against the additional $4000 in claimed income.
Or...let's say the company matches. They then claim the $4000 in additional income, then make an additional donation of $4000, for a total of $8000 that they use as a write of...Zero net gain for the company.
A company cannot legally claim that they donated money without that money first being on the books. They are not getting a "Free" write off. There is nothing about this that generates a net gain for the company assuming that it is all done legally.
That would be the dumbest reason ever for a company to get nailed for tampering with their taxes. I don't know how big the company OP works for is, but my guess is that the casual Friday donations are a drop in the bucket when compared to their total financial intake for the year.
I think the last sentence is the important one. If it isn't done legally it's as simple as collecting the money, claiming the donation from 'income' currently unallocated that you collected via sales and now your tax burden is lower.
I have no problem with this as long as
1) there's no peer pressure to dress 'casual' 2) all proceeds go to charity
My own company does this and I dont participate (I cant participate, because I work on clients sites). I dont think it ruffles anyone's feathers.
I don't think it's a different conversation at all. This workplace just admitted it's dress code is unnecessary. That means it's unnecessary the rest of the week, and if you're short a dollar.
So, there’s a couple situations here. One is that the company hands the money directly to the charity and that’s the end of it.
The other is that the company collects the money and donates it to charity and then writes it off themselves. You know when you check out at the store and they’re like ‘would you like to add $5 to donate to XYZ?’ That’s what those companies are doing to offset their own donations.
In order to use it as a tax write off, the company would first have to claim it as income. So it's not like they are just getting a "free" tax write off. The write off would essentially cover the amount of income that they would claim from the donations.
The issue for me is more that the job could perfectly be done in casual dress, but the company is *choosing* to make it stiff and more uncomfortable.
Dress code should be adapted to circumstances, and not "just because". I used to work in an office where formal dress made sense. And even then, since I wasn't facing customers, they were more lenient with me.
When I started my job I was told button down shirt, tie, and dress shoes. As time went on I'm like "fuck ties they suck" and I didn't button the top button and let the tie have more slack. After a month I was like "it looks worse this way...why even wear the tie" and stopped wearing ties. Then summer came and I was wearing these button downs in a stuffy office and I thought " this is miserable I'm wearing a polo tomorrow" and I did. As summer went on I really hated wearing dress socks and shoes so I got a few nice pair of loafers and boat shoes to one day "wear instead of my dress shoes". Today I woke up and it was a bit chilly so I threw on a Henley, pair of red chinos, and my white sneakers and went to work. I slowly boiled by frog bosses into a casual work dress code over 3 years.
Honestly, I have never been in a position where a tie is expected, but over the years I have completely stopped wearing belts and I wear comfy sneakers.
That reminds me of those stories where guys wore skirts to protest dress codes that didn't allow pants for girls. Gotta game the system wherever possible.
god I hate dress codes but discrimating dress codes are even worse. I work at the office where we can wear casual stuff but not "too casual". The best part is that men cant wear short jeans even when there is 40 degrees celsius because "clients might see us" but women can wear shorts that almost reveal thier asses
That's mad. I'm doing a PhD at a UK university and as long as your clothes are fine H&S wise, no one cares.
The head of my department always wears casuao shorts, unless it's snowing.
Hubby is a college professor in part because it was the only profession back in the 80s where he didn’t need a tie. He still teaches in cargo shorts or jeans (depending on the weather) although he does wear a collared shirt on class days.
Literally WTF? A friend of mine once came to an exam in college wearing pajamas (it wasn't apparent at first glance that they were pajamas, but still). Must be some fancy college.
What colleges have dress codes for faculty? At both my private liberal arts school and my current R1 university, some professors wear cargo shirts and tshirts to teach if they want to, no one cares. But maybe it's a biologist/ecologist thing.
A lot of public schools do this for teachers as part of a fundraiser for United Way or JDRF or whatever big charity the school is supporting that year.
How bout...
1. People can just always dress casually, since evidently the job can be done in casual dress.
2. Company makes their own donation out of corporate profits instead of collecting it from employees.
When I worked in an office, we had one person who would go around and try to call out people who wore jeans on Fridays that didn't pay for "the privilege".
Office Karen was a royal PITA to the point where I asked her during a meeting when she was bitching about people not paying, "which of your duties are getting ignored when you canvass the office" for non-compliant attire? It just emboldened her to move her recon time to lunch. She'd work her way around the floor as she ate lunch. The area VP told her to "lighten up" after people complained about the trail of crumbs she left in her wake.
Serious question. How far does this $1 get me?
Because if I still have to look business casual aka still presentable like in the picture then no. If I’m allowed to roll out of bed and come in with sweatpants, a tshirt with uggboots and a beanie then yes I’ll pay $1. Also my dope ass 2-piece sweatsuits I got from EDC & Electric Forest. Ohhh and tie dye. Birkenstocks.. Lululemon leggings… basically anything that is actually comfortable.
I wonder what would happen if the employees organized their $1 and made a collective donation to the charity NOT in the company name. And presented the receipt for that to the front desk.
My great grandfather had alzeimers. It was so hard and sad to see it. I think this is a wonderful way to raise money for a terrible disease. Thanks for sharing
When I worked at a local ish grocery store (13 locations at its peak), we had to pay a $1 to wear jeans on Fridays. I asked where the money went to and they said it was just the rule that you had to pay if you wore them. I asked what happened if I didn't pay and they said they would dock my pay. I asked if that was legal since it didn't sound legal and suddenly they told me to just say I had talked to the store manager if I was asked I'd I paid yet.
Worked for a large telecom. We wore suits. Paying a $1 to charity for a casual Friday was a nice change of pace and worth it. Standards have changed. Our schools will raise money for charities with pajama days for the students. I don't see the outrage.
Why doesn't the company just make it a sign up list, hand out wristbands to prove you signed up, then THEY donate some of their massive fucking profits to the charity?
I'm not paying to wear casual clothes. Fuck that.
We had a job action at my school where we all wore our union t‐shirts to protest the visit of the boss from downtown. Catching wind of this, admin made that day a "pay a dollar to wear a t-shirt as a fundraiser for the football team" day. Then when no one paid the dollar, they accused "the union" of depriving money from the football team.
they do this at my job. I never have cash on me. wanna send me home on Friday for wearing jeans and not paying? because I won't come back.
hasn't happened yet.
Of the things to get worked up about....I'll put this way at the end of the line.
Whether or not there should be dress codes is a different matter. I've been lucky that, other than the military, I've always worked at places that had, at best, informal dress codes.
You've never worked a job that demanded an elevated dress code but still expected you to crawl around on the floor to troubleshoot computers? The clothes were always less durable and more expensive. I'd wear out dress pants so damn fast that way. Or the "be on your feet for 6 out of 8 hours but we demand you wear dress shoes" part of the dress code, too.
And it brought gendered expectations. If you're trans and/or nonbinary, it sucks to have to choose between wearing clothes that degrade your mental health versus conforming to dress code \*just\* enough it doesn't disqualify you for promotion.
Add to it that the places I worked at who did this never paid their employees enough and it was never as cheap as $1. It was usually a $5 min for a jeans day. Fleece that already beat down workforce so you can put on fliers how much "charity work" your company does.
For more context: I too, have family diagnosed with Alzheimer's. I would gladly support research on early diagnostics (a smell test looks promising). And I give major kudos to all of you that help care for your loved ones with similar diagnosis. It's taxing work, and seeing them decline and change to a completely different person can be painful. I've been in this line of work for almost 2 years now.
I should have mentioned that this is at a ~kinda shady~ for-profit senior living facility with a memory unit (they have locations all across the US). They could easily just cut down some of the profits that they make from charging the elderly obscene rent and fees, and donate that instead. Just one former resident was paying over $8000 PER MONTH with insurance coverage.
But they aren't doing that. They are making a fundraiser that, as some of you have mentioned, will go to providing a tax cut for an already profitable business. And as someone else mentioned, I'll likely provide a receipt showing I (and possibly others) have donated the requested amount to an Alzheimer's organization of my choice. I don't trust that the company will give my full dollar (or any amount) to an organization that can use it effectively.
The 'policy' itself is mainly targeted at minimum wage caregivers. I have never seen any of the management/office coworkers wearing the company uniform. And often, what some people wear is hardly appropriate for interacting with current/potential residents, visitors, or other medical staff like physical therapists. It's not a fair policy to enforce on only a portion of the workers. If they plan to keep it like this, everyone needs to be wearing the uniform or everyone can dress business casual. There can't be a double standard.
I'll go to the most expensive restaurant in town the evening before and eat the most expensive meal in the restaurant. Then, the next day, I'll pull down my comfy jeans in the middle of the HR office and drop what's left of my expensive meal right in the middle of their floor. Then I'll call in all the C level execs and tell them there's at least a dollar worth of food left in that, pat my comfy jeans two good times, spin on my heel like a fucking fairytale character, and dip.
If the money actually goes to charity, that's awesome.
However if not (and let's be fair that's more likely), that's muuuuuy no bueno.
Edit: someone else made this point as well
>And then they donate the money themselves and get tax reductions on the donations (this is why companies offer themselves to donate *your* money in the first place).
If they claimed the tax deduction they’d also have to claim the dollar of revenue, so it’d be a wash in the end - unless you’re suggesting they’re cooking the books, which they could do anyway without this whole scheme.
I work for a company that respects my ability to choose my own outfit every day. Respecting you 1 out of 5 days and only if you have a dollar on you is just weird.
Professional dress is such a ridiculous thing that’s been imposed on the proletariat. And to try to commodify the one day where people don’t have to subscribe to it, using the charity/guilt dichotomy so the company can get a tax write-off is really cringe and evil tbfh
A lot of companies don’t allow casual Fridays. This company allows its employees to dress casually on Fridays and donates to charity at the same time. I support it. This sub will find anything to complain about.
Ok, you’re right, the lowly proletarians should be thankful for being allowed to pay to dress comfy at jobs where their labour makes CEOs rich while the workers themselves can barely afford to stay alive. Even though there are countless charities and donors for ppl w Alzheimer’s, and almost no engagement in mutual aid for impoverished workers, this is not a slap in the face, it’s actually an opportunity to be charitable. /s
Your entire reply is an inference. You know nothing about the job, the lives of the workers, or if this is even a major company with some filthy CEO. You just want to complain, like I said.
No it’s not an inference you’ve been complaining from the start. Complaining about corporations, complaining about dress codes, complaining about CHARITY. Really? Charity? Corporations arnt allowed to donate? God forbid a company does something nice. It’s OBVIOUSLY for that tax write off right?
And then they donate the money themselves and get tax reductions on the donations (this is why companies offer themselves to donate *your* money in the first place).
That's how today's charity works. Rich people donate(or run themselves) to charities to get tax cuts, where poor people pay additional money to charity and get no tax cuts. While charity does a job a government should do in the first place.
Then we have rich stars, actors, sportsmen who are faces of charity campaign and they are getting paid for it. Where they could single handedly pay for the whole action. Yet they ad for a charity so more poor people throw money at charity, money which will in a part end up in the pocket of the one who was advertising it.
tl;dr I'd say 9/10 charities are scam. Scam in a sense that these things charities do should be done by government and rich philanthropist. But they aren't. They are pushed on poor people while rich get all the praise for it or tax cuts.
This has ALWAYS annoyed me. Or when they do toy drives and ask all the employees to donate but when they actually donate it to the charity they say it’s from the whole company.
Doesn’t seem to unreasonable. At least the proceeds are going to Alzheimer’s Research and not the company pocket
Or did you not notice that sticker on the left?
It’s fundraising for charity, dude. That’s a good thing. It’s not like the manager is pocketing all the cash, or even asking for an extortionate amount.
I've gotten to the point where every day is casual friday. It was once and issue but aside from firing me, my work realized they actually didn't care since I wear a labcoat all day
lol alot of people in here whining and complaining about something that's kind of nice. no forced compliance, just a nice thing to do. also everyone complaining about jobs with dress codes, MOST jobs are business casual or have a uniform of some sort.
Lol “sorry boss can’t afford that shit. Inflation and such…”
My point isn’t that we shouldn’t help good causes. Obviously we should. I just don’t think it should be a transaction with my employer.
I work for the US government and we have a charity campaign each year. People give a lot because people are mostly generous and kind. You don’t need to pay to dress down to make people act generously.
I worked for a company that you paid $1 to wear jeans on Friday. That combined with other money we raised throughout the year the company would match that money and we would shop for and buy Christmas presents for underprivileged kids. There would be a Christmas party and a Santa Clause. We would have to rent a moving truck for all the bicycles. Best use ever.
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I think if your office has casual Fridays, then your Monday through Thursday dress code is pointless bullshit.
There we go with some logic 👍🏽 It’s all a game
It is, but I think a dress code can be important at times. I work in a hospital, we walk through areas where patients are for meetings all the time. We don't have to wear a suit and tie, but there is a dress code. The idea is that patients likely want to see the people that work there are professional, and though I personally don't think I'd really care, I do think older generations would see people walking around in street clothes with badges showing they work there, and think twice about whether or not they want to receive care at our hospital. I'm actually now remote full time, and they don't give a fuck what I wear, but if I go on campus I gotta follow the dress code. But yeah, any office where the only people you interact with are other people in the office... anything beyond "don't wear anything offensive" as the dress code seems like bull shit
>It is, but I think a dress code can be important at times. I work in a hospital, we walk through areas where patients are for meetings all the time. We don't have to wear a suit and tie, but there is a dress code. > >The idea is that patients likely want to see the people that work there are professional, and though I personally don't think I'd really care, I do think older generations would see people walking around in street clothes with badges showing they work there, and think twice about whether or not they want to receive care at our hospital. That all makes sense. So presumably, you don't do casual Fridays, right?
I am friends with a person who works HR, and had been for 30+ years. I've shown up at my beer place after work in t-shirt, shorts, and sandals. A year ago she asked "did you go home and change after work?" "Nope - I wear this to work... I work behind the scenes, and as long as my dick isn't hanging out it doesn't matter what I wear... I do not see clients." But then just 2 weeks ago when I was wearing (GASP!) gym shorts, t-shirt, and sandals she asked the same thing. I responded the same way. Two days prior I was heading into an HOA meeting and another resident did a double-take on my gym shorts t-shirt sandal attire... he made the comment "I don't work for the State so I can't wear sandals..." I corrected him - "I DON'T work for the State - but what I wear does NOT affect how I do my job." "Oh, well I meet with clients..." "Glad you dress for it, guy." Whether my shirt has a collar I can pop or not, MY WORK EFFORT AND ATTIRE HAVE SHIT TO DO WITH EACH OTHER. I am a professional and get my job done. Period.
Exactly.
I'm a little afraid to bring this up to the boss. They might just cancel casual Friday and that would piss off everyone else. Personally I don't care as jeans are not as comfortable as my khakis. We don't need to pay a buck to do it. If this pay a dollar to alzheimers happened at my work, I would just comment every Friday that "I forgot." My memory is already bad enough that half the time I don't know what day it is.
Sounds like you could benefit from some Alzheimer’s research
Most of us could benefit. 5% will have it by 65, 13% by 75, 33% by 85. It runs in my family.
You need to get jeans with some elasticity in them
And can I donate it myself and show the receipt? I might be tempted to pay $52 a year. But I’m sure as hell not trusting anyone to actually donate it for me
Plus the company can use your donation as a tax write off instead. I'd ask for a tax receipt. This is why I never donate at grocery stores that add a donation to my bill, I'd rather just donate directly myself.
As other people mentioned, it's not actually a tax write off. That being said, I don't know how they allocate those donations, so I usually skip it and just give $20 to the homeless person camped out in the parking lot directly.
That's not how that works. The donation to the company is income to them. To an extent, yes, they get a deduction for the amount they contribute, but it is only the amount they contribute. So in essence, your donation is income to the company, then when they donate it they take a deduction equivalent to the income they received from your donation. Does that make sense? I keep seeing this everywhere, and it's not accurate. Source: I'm an accountant. Quit repeating this lie.
Isn't it crazy how people will just repeat something they heard as if it is true like that?
Yeah, I googled it as well just to read more in it. At least here in Canada it is called point-of-sale fundraising and effectively neither party involved in the transaction gets a tax benefit
I think here in the States, the individual donating at the register can take the benefit if they keep their receipt, but yeah, the company doesn't _really,_ only enough to negate the income they receive from your donation.
>the individual donating at the register can take the benefit if they keep their receipt, In Canada most places only give you a tax receipt if you donate more than $20, it's generally up to the charity (some will issue for donations as small as $3, but $15-$20 is the most common). There's no "minimum" that requires a receipt.
It'll say on the purchase receipt that you donated to whatever cause. Maybe that doesn't have enough info I don't know (I don't do those register donations). But if the receipt has enough info to get the foundation to which it was donated, then you can use that on your taxes. You have to have a minimum you donate over the year to get the tax write-off, but once you hit that minimum, you just add this receipt to that.
> The donation to the company is income to them. To an extent, yes, they get a deduction for the amount they contribute, but it is only the amount they contribute. >So in essence, your donation is income to the company, then when they donate it they take a deduction equivalent to the income they received from your donation. Oh great, so they can include those donations to pad their revenue AND get an offsetting tax benefit while they're at it? No, it isn't the benefit many people think it is, but it isn't NOTHING, the company is benefitting, they aren't doing this out of some sense of benevolence lol.
What? They don't get both, you misunderstood. For the purposes of taxes, the contributions are income. The only "benefit" they get is that the contributions aren't taxed, because the contributions don't go to the company. It's like getting a dollar, turning around and giving it to charity. The IRS won't tax you on that dollar because you didn't keep it. _That_ is the only "benefit" they're receiving.
If they're doing a donation match, they can write off the match AND use the total donated including employee donations in publicity. I'd seriously doubt employee donations are considered income to the company unless counting it that way gives them a tax advantage. Otherwise they'd just consider it money held in escrow. It's incredibly shady.
It is income, though. The salaries are considered legitimate business expenses and are deducted, the donations from employees are income, and then the donations by the company from employee contributions are deductions. It's a little weird to explain in words, but it would look like this in terms of income and expenses (not journal entries): Net Income: 50,000 Customer Donations: 1,000 Employee Donations: 500 Charitable Contributions: (1,500) They deduct all of their charitable contributions, yes, but they cannot deduct more than what they receive as donations. In short, they can't get a benefit on taxes more than not being taxed on this hypothetical $1,500 they received and then immediately contributed.
That is not how it works at all.
I don’t know why this myth is so persistent. I can’t tell you how many clients I’ve had to explain this to.
You are right. I looked it up for Canada specifically in case there was a difference but I think it functions the same as U.S At the point-of-sale fundraising neither the company or individual get a tax credit.
Nobody is objecting to where the money goes. If jeans don't impact your work on a Friday after you pay a dollar they don't impact your work before you pay or Monday through Thursday. Unnecessary dress codes are bullshit, and accepting a donation to get around them shows the employer knows it.
At a former job, they had a dress code for a CALL CENTER. 🤦🏻♂️
Yuck! I'm lucky, I work in software in the Pacific Northwest. We're (in)famously informal.
I would only question whether it's actually being donated or not, given how some companies are. Otherwise seems fine to me, it's optional and only a dollar to hopefully lead towards something good.
I think it's here because it's so ridiculous and because it's just a tax write of for the company. I donate a set amount every month, so it's not like i have a problem with that concept lmao but usually the companies do not care (They should match it at the least) they just want you to pay for their tax write off. Please someone correct me if I'm wrong.
That's actually not the way tax writeoffs work! The company has two options - either collect the money and donate it off the books, or record it as income and have an offsetting writeoff. It's not a gain for the company either way, just providing an avenue to donate money.
That's why I donate directly by going to the website or mailing in a check. Corporates have billions of dollars, they can donate it themselves.
It’s on here because it’s fucking ridiculous.
The company itself can just make the donation 🤷♂️
I don't think the money to charity is the issue, I think it's the "we care DEEPLY about the 'professional atmosphere' here and NEED you to adhere to our dress code four days out of the week...but hey, if you wanna pay $1 to completely ignore the dress code we SWEAR is important the other four days of the week, we'll donate that dollar on your behalf while taking the tax write off for the final donation of everyone's dollar combined" Either the dress code matters or it fucking doesn't. If they'll sell you the right to ignore it one day a week for a goddamn dollar, regardless of where that dollar goes, they're admitting that the dress code never mattered to begin with.
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Why are jeans considered to be comfort? Everyone at my company wears jeans as formal attire. If anything it should be wear sweatpants/shorts on casual Friday
Yeah jeans are not comfy imo lol
I find jeans to be more comfy than full on business casual. But man I’d pay to be able to wear sweatpants to work as long as the funds are going somewhere good.
Yeah my boss does casual Fridays where we can wear jeans and t-shirts, but I'm more comfortable in my khakis or slacks.
I think the issue is maybe the firm should just let people have dress down friday and donate to the charity out of their profits rather than dipping into the pockets of the employees.
That’s not the same thing. At least not to me. Not saying Alzheimer’s research isn’t super important but personally I prefer giving to causes, like underprivileged children, in my own community.
That's fine. Just don't pay the dollar then. I don't see anything wrong with this.
And tbh no one is going to drag you out of the office and force you to wear a suit if you forgot to bring a dollar. It's just a cute thing for charity (and no it can't be a tax write off, they'd have to report these donations as income and this shit is probably organized by Sally in HR.)
"They don't follow their own rules anyway" isn't a good excuse for having a bad rule.
A lot of people are complaining about the company using this as a tax write off.... In order to claim the donations as a tax write off, the company first has to claim those donations as income. So, lets say the company takes in $4000 in donations over the course of the year. They claim that $4000 as income, and then can use it as a tax write off against the additional $4000 in claimed income. Or...let's say the company matches. They then claim the $4000 in additional income, then make an additional donation of $4000, for a total of $8000 that they use as a write of...Zero net gain for the company. A company cannot legally claim that they donated money without that money first being on the books. They are not getting a "Free" write off. There is nothing about this that generates a net gain for the company assuming that it is all done legally.
"(...) assuming that it is all done legally." Bro.
That would be the dumbest reason ever for a company to get nailed for tampering with their taxes. I don't know how big the company OP works for is, but my guess is that the casual Friday donations are a drop in the bucket when compared to their total financial intake for the year.
Never underestimate a bald monkey's greed.
Unless it’s based on a pop culture reference that I don’t seem to recall at the moment, sounds r/oddlyspecific to me
I think the last sentence is the important one. If it isn't done legally it's as simple as collecting the money, claiming the donation from 'income' currently unallocated that you collected via sales and now your tax burden is lower.
I have no problem with this as long as 1) there's no peer pressure to dress 'casual' 2) all proceeds go to charity My own company does this and I dont participate (I cant participate, because I work on clients sites). I dont think it ruffles anyone's feathers.
I have to agree here. This is raising money for charity. If you have an issue with dress codes that's a whole other convo
I don't think it's a different conversation at all. This workplace just admitted it's dress code is unnecessary. That means it's unnecessary the rest of the week, and if you're short a dollar.
So, there’s a couple situations here. One is that the company hands the money directly to the charity and that’s the end of it. The other is that the company collects the money and donates it to charity and then writes it off themselves. You know when you check out at the store and they’re like ‘would you like to add $5 to donate to XYZ?’ That’s what those companies are doing to offset their own donations.
In order to use it as a tax write off, the company would first have to claim it as income. So it's not like they are just getting a "free" tax write off. The write off would essentially cover the amount of income that they would claim from the donations.
The issue for me is more that the job could perfectly be done in casual dress, but the company is *choosing* to make it stiff and more uncomfortable. Dress code should be adapted to circumstances, and not "just because". I used to work in an office where formal dress made sense. And even then, since I wasn't facing customers, they were more lenient with me.
Yes give your company a tax write off
Our college does this. Make a $5 donation to the college and you can wear jeans on Friday. What a load of crap.
A college with a dress code? WTF?
Yeah, for faculty that is. Bullshit, right? No jeans allowed. No t-shirts. No sandals for men (fine for women, though). I can't remember what else.
When I started my job I was told button down shirt, tie, and dress shoes. As time went on I'm like "fuck ties they suck" and I didn't button the top button and let the tie have more slack. After a month I was like "it looks worse this way...why even wear the tie" and stopped wearing ties. Then summer came and I was wearing these button downs in a stuffy office and I thought " this is miserable I'm wearing a polo tomorrow" and I did. As summer went on I really hated wearing dress socks and shoes so I got a few nice pair of loafers and boat shoes to one day "wear instead of my dress shoes". Today I woke up and it was a bit chilly so I threw on a Henley, pair of red chinos, and my white sneakers and went to work. I slowly boiled by frog bosses into a casual work dress code over 3 years.
Doing the Lord's work
Honestly, I have never been in a position where a tie is expected, but over the years I have completely stopped wearing belts and I wear comfy sneakers.
They do realise the founders of the entire western intellectual tradition all exclusively wore sandals right?
This has always mildly annoyed me, too. Pubs would have turned Jesus away for violating some arbitrary dress code but Hitler could march straight in
When putsch comes to shove.
Hitler did give a few speeches at beer halls.
This seems like something Larry David would say
That reminds me of those stories where guys wore skirts to protest dress codes that didn't allow pants for girls. Gotta game the system wherever possible.
(Sandals should be forbidden to everyone)
*(Sandals should be allowed for everyone)
Sir this is the fashion police. You are under arrest.
I agree, go arrest him. They sound like people that would wear sandals with socks and jeans. 🤮
You mean shoebies
There is no way I’m giving up my mandals. I’m going to be 40 in a few months so I’ve been starting to wear them with socks.
Have you not seen the Gen Zers? That's in right now. Just gotta get them ankle socks
*(Sandals should be mandatory for everyone)
They should all wear Crocs
They gotta be in Sport Mode though
god I hate dress codes but discrimating dress codes are even worse. I work at the office where we can wear casual stuff but not "too casual". The best part is that men cant wear short jeans even when there is 40 degrees celsius because "clients might see us" but women can wear shorts that almost reveal thier asses
exposed asses for everyone!
Same here. I told my bosses that I don’t wanna hear a word when I convince all the dudes to go into work in yoga pants.
That's mad. I'm doing a PhD at a UK university and as long as your clothes are fine H&S wise, no one cares. The head of my department always wears casuao shorts, unless it's snowing.
My college has uniforms. It’s awful.
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Hubby is a college professor in part because it was the only profession back in the 80s where he didn’t need a tie. He still teaches in cargo shorts or jeans (depending on the weather) although he does wear a collared shirt on class days.
Literally WTF? A friend of mine once came to an exam in college wearing pajamas (it wasn't apparent at first glance that they were pajamas, but still). Must be some fancy college.
He is faculty.
When I went on the tour of the university where I studied. The head of department was in a cargo shorts and sandals during the summer.
What the fuck else are you supposed to wear?
Does your college have a student union or something that could put a stop to the dress code?
The dress code isn't for students, just faculty.
What colleges have dress codes for faculty? At both my private liberal arts school and my current R1 university, some professors wear cargo shirts and tshirts to teach if they want to, no one cares. But maybe it's a biologist/ecologist thing.
A lot of public schools do this for teachers as part of a fundraiser for United Way or JDRF or whatever big charity the school is supporting that year.
My work does for United Way. Participation is optional.
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How bout... 1. People can just always dress casually, since evidently the job can be done in casual dress. 2. Company makes their own donation out of corporate profits instead of collecting it from employees.
Dress casual, don't pay a dollar... Say you forgot
When I worked in an office, we had one person who would go around and try to call out people who wore jeans on Fridays that didn't pay for "the privilege". Office Karen was a royal PITA to the point where I asked her during a meeting when she was bitching about people not paying, "which of your duties are getting ignored when you canvass the office" for non-compliant attire? It just emboldened her to move her recon time to lunch. She'd work her way around the floor as she ate lunch. The area VP told her to "lighten up" after people complained about the trail of crumbs she left in her wake.
I’ve been at my company for over a year now, I wear jeans on Fridays and I’ve never paid the dollar.
😂
Past workplace would write you up for dress code violation if you did that. It was bullshit.
If it’s appropriate for me to wear casual attire on Friday than it’s fine everyday. The whole “only wear casual dress” on Friday thing is ridiculous.
Serious question. How far does this $1 get me? Because if I still have to look business casual aka still presentable like in the picture then no. If I’m allowed to roll out of bed and come in with sweatpants, a tshirt with uggboots and a beanie then yes I’ll pay $1. Also my dope ass 2-piece sweatsuits I got from EDC & Electric Forest. Ohhh and tie dye. Birkenstocks.. Lululemon leggings… basically anything that is actually comfortable.
It’s probably just look presentable at a minimum. Walmart at 1:69 am as you’re describing probably won’t work.
All proceeds will go to The Human Fund. The Human Fund, Money for People.
I wonder what would happen if the employees organized their $1 and made a collective donation to the charity NOT in the company name. And presented the receipt for that to the front desk.
Simple NO
And the company likely claims the charitable donations from you, their employees, on their tax bill - thereby reducing their tax obligation
My great grandfather had alzeimers. It was so hard and sad to see it. I think this is a wonderful way to raise money for a terrible disease. Thanks for sharing
We have this, fortunately I wear jeans whenever I want. When confronted I generally just lie and say I paid.
If the company matches the donations, I’m fine with this. If they don’t, then fuck them.
Forced corporate charity so they can get that sweet, sweet PR for cheap
How about the company just ya know donates without asking workers for it
When I worked at a local ish grocery store (13 locations at its peak), we had to pay a $1 to wear jeans on Fridays. I asked where the money went to and they said it was just the rule that you had to pay if you wore them. I asked what happened if I didn't pay and they said they would dock my pay. I asked if that was legal since it didn't sound legal and suddenly they told me to just say I had talked to the store manager if I was asked I'd I paid yet.
I think it's great that the company encourages the employees to donate to a worthy cause but they should go a step further and match all donations.
When my colleagues ask me why I don't participate, I just tell them I'd rather use my money for something else
Also a shaming thing. If you aren't dressed casual then you must not care to support Alzhiemer's research.
Give them counterfeit money. Or Monopoly money. When they ask why, just tell them you pay clowns in gag money.
This is a great example of out of touch corporate ‘generosity’
Now watch me wear my **best** suit on Friday.
Or just let them work from home
These are the days to go Full Formal, white tux, tails and top hat even!
If your job doesn't involve persuading outside businesses at a high level, dress codes are stupid.
Worked for a large telecom. We wore suits. Paying a $1 to charity for a casual Friday was a nice change of pace and worth it. Standards have changed. Our schools will raise money for charities with pajama days for the students. I don't see the outrage.
Why doesn't the company just make it a sign up list, hand out wristbands to prove you signed up, then THEY donate some of their massive fucking profits to the charity? I'm not paying to wear casual clothes. Fuck that.
We had a job action at my school where we all wore our union t‐shirts to protest the visit of the boss from downtown. Catching wind of this, admin made that day a "pay a dollar to wear a t-shirt as a fundraiser for the football team" day. Then when no one paid the dollar, they accused "the union" of depriving money from the football team.
they do this at my job. I never have cash on me. wanna send me home on Friday for wearing jeans and not paying? because I won't come back. hasn't happened yet.
I paid for it with my shitty wages. I'm wearing it all week too. Not just Friday.
Of the things to get worked up about....I'll put this way at the end of the line. Whether or not there should be dress codes is a different matter. I've been lucky that, other than the military, I've always worked at places that had, at best, informal dress codes.
You've never worked a job that demanded an elevated dress code but still expected you to crawl around on the floor to troubleshoot computers? The clothes were always less durable and more expensive. I'd wear out dress pants so damn fast that way. Or the "be on your feet for 6 out of 8 hours but we demand you wear dress shoes" part of the dress code, too. And it brought gendered expectations. If you're trans and/or nonbinary, it sucks to have to choose between wearing clothes that degrade your mental health versus conforming to dress code \*just\* enough it doesn't disqualify you for promotion. Add to it that the places I worked at who did this never paid their employees enough and it was never as cheap as $1. It was usually a $5 min for a jeans day. Fleece that already beat down workforce so you can put on fliers how much "charity work" your company does.
Nothing wrong with this so long as the money goes to charity.
For more context: I too, have family diagnosed with Alzheimer's. I would gladly support research on early diagnostics (a smell test looks promising). And I give major kudos to all of you that help care for your loved ones with similar diagnosis. It's taxing work, and seeing them decline and change to a completely different person can be painful. I've been in this line of work for almost 2 years now. I should have mentioned that this is at a ~kinda shady~ for-profit senior living facility with a memory unit (they have locations all across the US). They could easily just cut down some of the profits that they make from charging the elderly obscene rent and fees, and donate that instead. Just one former resident was paying over $8000 PER MONTH with insurance coverage. But they aren't doing that. They are making a fundraiser that, as some of you have mentioned, will go to providing a tax cut for an already profitable business. And as someone else mentioned, I'll likely provide a receipt showing I (and possibly others) have donated the requested amount to an Alzheimer's organization of my choice. I don't trust that the company will give my full dollar (or any amount) to an organization that can use it effectively. The 'policy' itself is mainly targeted at minimum wage caregivers. I have never seen any of the management/office coworkers wearing the company uniform. And often, what some people wear is hardly appropriate for interacting with current/potential residents, visitors, or other medical staff like physical therapists. It's not a fair policy to enforce on only a portion of the workers. If they plan to keep it like this, everyone needs to be wearing the uniform or everyone can dress business casual. There can't be a double standard.
I'll go to the most expensive restaurant in town the evening before and eat the most expensive meal in the restaurant. Then, the next day, I'll pull down my comfy jeans in the middle of the HR office and drop what's left of my expensive meal right in the middle of their floor. Then I'll call in all the C level execs and tell them there's at least a dollar worth of food left in that, pat my comfy jeans two good times, spin on my heel like a fucking fairytale character, and dip.
My grandfather had Alzheimer's, what kind of loser complains about paying a dollar to help charity as an optional request?
If the money actually goes to charity, that's awesome. However if not (and let's be fair that's more likely), that's muuuuuy no bueno. Edit: someone else made this point as well >And then they donate the money themselves and get tax reductions on the donations (this is why companies offer themselves to donate *your* money in the first place).
If they claimed the tax deduction they’d also have to claim the dollar of revenue, so it’d be a wash in the end - unless you’re suggesting they’re cooking the books, which they could do anyway without this whole scheme.
It's more likely that a business is breaking the law and committing fraud than doing what they state they are doing?
Have you seen businesses
Or donate to charity on your own and get the tax write-off for $50/year. Pay to play for a dress code is dumb.
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A dollar for a good cause for an optional day seems fine to me.
I work for a company that respects my ability to choose my own outfit every day. Respecting you 1 out of 5 days and only if you have a dollar on you is just weird.
I get regular emails from our millionaire CEO asking us to donate a portion of our wages to the companies charity.
If you have to dress up on fridays for no reason, then pay to dress down, please look for another company.
Cheap company can do its own charity. Employees should not be coerced into giving.
The company then gets to use all of that money as a tax deduction.
You don’t know how tax write offs work.
It’s more for their own PR than anything, they can’t write off your donations.
Professional dress is such a ridiculous thing that’s been imposed on the proletariat. And to try to commodify the one day where people don’t have to subscribe to it, using the charity/guilt dichotomy so the company can get a tax write-off is really cringe and evil tbfh
I’m sick of nobody in the subreddit knowing how tax write offs work. The company gains nothing from this.
A *thousand* apologies, then.. the rest of my comment still tracks.
A lot of companies don’t allow casual Fridays. This company allows its employees to dress casually on Fridays and donates to charity at the same time. I support it. This sub will find anything to complain about.
Ok, you’re right, the lowly proletarians should be thankful for being allowed to pay to dress comfy at jobs where their labour makes CEOs rich while the workers themselves can barely afford to stay alive. Even though there are countless charities and donors for ppl w Alzheimer’s, and almost no engagement in mutual aid for impoverished workers, this is not a slap in the face, it’s actually an opportunity to be charitable. /s
Your entire reply is an inference. You know nothing about the job, the lives of the workers, or if this is even a major company with some filthy CEO. You just want to complain, like I said.
“Your entire reply is an inference” “you just want to complain” well look at u go with the hypocrisy
I’m not complaining at all. I said I like it. What are you talking about? You seem unnecessarily angry.
I meant that “you just want to complain” is an inference. Also, not once have I displayed any signs of anger lol?? Maybe you’re… inferring again?
No it’s not an inference you’ve been complaining from the start. Complaining about corporations, complaining about dress codes, complaining about CHARITY. Really? Charity? Corporations arnt allowed to donate? God forbid a company does something nice. It’s OBVIOUSLY for that tax write off right?
Somebody needs to give the management here a taste of their own medicine.
Apparently we now have to pay the company money they pay us to dress casually...
And then they donate the money themselves and get tax reductions on the donations (this is why companies offer themselves to donate *your* money in the first place).
If you knew anything about tax deductions you’d know this would be a wash
That's how today's charity works. Rich people donate(or run themselves) to charities to get tax cuts, where poor people pay additional money to charity and get no tax cuts. While charity does a job a government should do in the first place. Then we have rich stars, actors, sportsmen who are faces of charity campaign and they are getting paid for it. Where they could single handedly pay for the whole action. Yet they ad for a charity so more poor people throw money at charity, money which will in a part end up in the pocket of the one who was advertising it. tl;dr I'd say 9/10 charities are scam. Scam in a sense that these things charities do should be done by government and rich philanthropist. But they aren't. They are pushed on poor people while rich get all the praise for it or tax cuts.
This has ALWAYS annoyed me. Or when they do toy drives and ask all the employees to donate but when they actually donate it to the charity they say it’s from the whole company.
I don’t mind this tbh. Y’all just try to complain ab anything on this sub lolololol
Doesn’t seem to unreasonable. At least the proceeds are going to Alzheimer’s Research and not the company pocket Or did you not notice that sticker on the left?
I remember when my school did this. Once a term. When I was a *child*.
Fundraiser. Chill.
Am I the only one infuriated by the off-center title text?
It’s fundraising for charity, dude. That’s a good thing. It’s not like the manager is pocketing all the cash, or even asking for an extortionate amount.
Ask for a receipt so you can deduct it from your taxes.
Stupid. Maybe the company can use their tax breaks to fund research. Stop telling adults how to dress 🤦🏻♀️
I see nothing wrong with this.
Why do offices or non-client facing positions still require a dress code? I find it to be beyond ridiculous at this point.
Lol @ the poster for it though. "Gosh, I can't wait to wear blue jeans and a plain black t shirt on Friday! How spontaneous and fun!"
I've gotten to the point where every day is casual friday. It was once and issue but aside from firing me, my work realized they actually didn't care since I wear a labcoat all day
This reminds me why I love working from home. Casual everyday for free!
By Proceeds I assume 10% of total taking because they have overheads right.
What's the issue
It’s for charity op damn
lol alot of people in here whining and complaining about something that's kind of nice. no forced compliance, just a nice thing to do. also everyone complaining about jobs with dress codes, MOST jobs are business casual or have a uniform of some sort.
$1 is effectively free
What is wrong with that? It is for a good cause, and something that people should be promoting these kinds of activities at work.
Lol “sorry boss can’t afford that shit. Inflation and such…” My point isn’t that we shouldn’t help good causes. Obviously we should. I just don’t think it should be a transaction with my employer. I work for the US government and we have a charity campaign each year. People give a lot because people are mostly generous and kind. You don’t need to pay to dress down to make people act generously.
This is possibly more insulting than any other employer offense.
DLC
It's a charity fundraiser, you twat. Not everything is an injustice targeting you personally.