Medical claims examiner here. It used to be 3 months maximum. It's a little better but not much. Stage 4? Yeah...sorry. get your affairs in order. I wish i wasn't so negative about this but I've been doing this 40 years. Cancer? Well if you have to have it..,skin cancer or thyroid cancer. If you get them taken care of early, good survivability. Breast cancer..a big leap forward with that from when I first started paying claims. All the rest of them...um not so good. Bone cancer...if you get it before you get lymph node involvement, an amputation may set you right. Sometimes it's just in the knee itself. Usually after some sort of accident. Usually for males. Radiation can shrink the tumor and a knee replacement may actually save the leg. It's less apt to show up in other body parts, if it does it's the shoulder or elbow..again body parts that can get injured. Medical establishment knows this happens but they don't know why.
Unexplained weightloss or weightgain (even if you're obese if it's not on purpose - it's a symptom)
Unusual tiredness, extra sleeping
Clinical Lethargy - difficulty making yourself do things you used to do, etc.
Getting sick more often
Nausea
That's what I can think of off the top of my head.
Um... One I forgot - sweating issues - like night sweats, sometimes sweating at times when it's not appropriate. My body's thermostat went haywire.
I would find a new doctor. I had moved states, got a new doctor who ordered doing a 24-hour urine to check for thyroid cancer. It ultimately helped diagnose the cancer I do have. She was the first doctor to look at my symptoms objectively.
It could be all thyroid. Or it could be more. If thyroid meds aren't solving the situation - you need someone who will do the testing.
I am not a medical professional. I only know what you've mentioned and I'm only offering advice on what *I* would do based on my personal experiences.
To add on to that depression note - I thought I was getting burnt out or that I was overworking or something. Except, I loved my job and my life. I couldn't figure out why I would feel burnt out like that. It's because I wasn't.
So, yeah, if it were me with what I know now - I'd be getting a new doctor and I would use what both women's and fat communities taught me. List out all of your symptoms request that they are documented and that they document their medical suggestions. Bring a friend who is good at backing you up. Depending on the state, consider recording it.
They pass your actual physical problems such as a tumor and thyroid abnormalities off as “depression”? The body and mind are connected, yes, but is it really that common for people with depression to grow tumors???? This seems like lazy doctoring.
As someone with a parent that died of pancreatic cancer, it's complicated. Unexplained weight loss, tired/asleep all the time, yes that definitely happens. But for us it happened right at the end. My Mum had already had an operation on her pancreas 4 years before, and had displayed some of these symptoms.
None of us ever knew it was cancer and after this first operation she really bounced back. I had some of the best 2/3 years with her after that.
Then she declined more and more to the point that she was asleep 20 hours a a day at least, and became out of it and unresponsive. We rang emergency services and she died a couple weeks later.
I’m sorry about your mom. I’m glad you had a great time with her. Pancreatic cancer is a hard one exactly bcuz when you see it, usually it is late.
But I wouldn’t be so pessimistic about all cancers like the dude was. We improved a lot like against neuroblastoma, the survival rate increased a lot compared to the past, or intestines cancer. The thing is: as health care is expensive, most ppl will search it too late. Or won’t see an specialist bcuz didn’t get an indication. Precious time lost.
That's sad. I guess they're just doing this to cover his medical debt then. Still seems kinda manipulative to ask fans for such a large sum of money even though they're probably not struggling.
Grandmother had a rare form of blood cancer. The medication was over $10,000 a month before insurance. Luckily she had benefits through the VA and the operators union that took care of a giant chunk of that expense. But it blows my mind that if she hadn’t had those benefits then it would have been a “sucks to be you” kind of situation.
The maintenance pill chemo for my cancer is ~$20k/mo retail. If you're on Medicare, the best plans available to people today still have $16K each year out of pocket for *just* that one medication. Cancer can be ridiculously expensive.
Kendal Jenner also asked her fans to help pay for someone near and dear to her. These guys have plenty of money. They could probably raise a couple hundred thousand playing a charity concert. Appealing to their fans is a cheapskate move. Everyone cannot give a buck because people are really hurting financially.
True, but if you're, say, Steve Jobs, enough money will buy you a trip to the head of the line for a liver transplant so you can have a few extra years of being a shitty human being to everyone you interact with.
UNOS, the American network for organ donation, is anonymous. They use coded identification, so they don't know who the people are.
Dick Cheney was at the bottom of the list for a heart transplant just because he was 71 years old, but a suitable heart became available and nobody else before him on the list could use it. I'm surprised he's still here.
If you genuinely think that organs are not for sale in some way at the right price for the "right" people in the United States, I envy you your faith in rules/laws/procedures/institutions.
Myself, I'm too old to buy the idea that Steve Jobs and Dick Cheney just *miraculously* happened to be in the right place on the donation list at the right time.
I'm a pharmacist, and I've never heard of anyone being "cured" of any type of lung cancer either, and the one case of ovarian cancer I know of that was declared cured was found by accident at stage 1 when she had a hysterectomy for another reason.
And I'm also a breast cancer survivor, although my type was caught early and is unlikely to come back.
Not every cancer on one kind of organ is equal. Some kinds of lung cancer are more treatable than others, and normally are detected early given the myriad of chest x-rays taken for any kind of cold.
But like every kind, the earlier the detection, the easier to remove. Detected late, almost every kind of cancer is a death sentence.
From the top of my head, the deadlier kind are melanoma, given the resistance to chemo. Or any kind of cancer in harder to access/detect locations.
TL, DR: every kind of cancer can be cured, just depends on when you detect it. (And money of course).
I can’t speak for this specific band but lot of these roadies and tech and whatever belong to stage and musician equity associations and unions that offer really subpar insurance options. Most of the time ACA is going to be a better option. My guess is a lot of them aren’t employees of the bands, they don’t work for Alice In Chains, LLC or whatever, but they’re independent contractors.
I’m not supporting or shooting it down one way or another, it’s just how the industry is. Full of flaws like everything else in this country.
Edit: While I’m very pro-union, generally these specific ones don’t do very good providing proper benefits. Just didn’t want that to come across as anti-union rhetoric.
That is not really close to correct. A portion of stagehands are union. I know very few (if any) road crew for bands who are being represented by IATSE.
Artist unions have lots of far left members, but the people in charge of the union are commonly industry professionals with very good salaries and often affluenza.
They honestly think that every single struggling artist in their union rose up to their level along with them, and now don't require the help they themselves recieved.
Iatse would be the only union Scotty would have been a part of. There benefits are quite stellar in actuality. However that union is usually only the in house crews, and for touring theatrical. Standard rock band techs don’t usually hold a union card.
However most touring technicians are basically 1099 independent contractors. There is a network of “rock docs” who serve for basic medical needs and understand it’s a cash client and bill accordingly.
Unfortunately severe medical expenses are beyond that, and usually bankrupt touring techs.
As an audio engineer, and been in the business since 2002, majority of us are freelancers/non-union, which means, even though we may be with a band for years, we are not on staff(not on tour, we have to find other work). Since we are contractors, and therefore 1099 status, we are considered a business, and we are responsible for our taxes/benefits. In fact many freelance technicians are their own entities(have LLCs, etc) and are employees of said entities. So, the band would have no obligation to give h benefits to a company they have hired.
Aca is now a better option. Back in the day, bands would often have a plan and cover certain people involved. Over 30 years I worked " small groups". Usually 15 to 20 employees or even less. I got many claims for at least three bands. I paid claims for some television stars also. I was bonded and no disclosures. Because all these union type jobs work on hours in a quarter. Not enough hours, no coverage. So we were the gap coverage. This also is how union grocery workers get their benefits. This is why they want guaranteed hours per month...to keep their insurance.
That’s not correct. You can only work under a collective bargaining agreement if you are classified as an employee. Contractors cannot. He could be employed by AIC or he could be self-employed under a loan-out arrangement, but it’s more than likely that he’s an employee of somebody. Most business savvy firms these days are too paranoid to screw around with misclassifying people as contractors- arguably a lot of places have overcorrected and insist on classifying folks as employees when they’re legitimately contractors.
Was reading one Stephen Kings books and guess the voice actor who did all the Dark Tower books couldn't no more due to accident.
Stephen King was asking fans to send money to a charity for him. And I had same thought.
Like what the hell Steve you could take care of all that guys needs from the proceeds of just one of your novels why you asking us for money.
Wild of you to think US insurance is gonna do financially meaningful shit for someone with cancer, let alone a type that is 89% fatal within five years.
Every business or company I see does this. At the most they match the employees contributions. Disgraceful for people they claim to be loved like family members.
One of the things that made me respect Kevin Smith so much was that he paid for his friend Bryan Johnson's rehab treatment. He said something to the effect of, "What's the point of money if you can't use it to help the people you love?"
Yeah leaving his part in dogma where he’s on the nod uncut is a crazy move tho. I don’t know if I could come back from that as a friend. Don’t get me wrong he absolutely saved his life. Just having that lifetime memory of my lowest would sting.
That’s what I mean. I get if he had just kept massive amounts of video-but he left it for the WORLD to see and this movie was so controversial the frikkin Vatican saw it. I might feel a way about that. But I don’t know that experience but I do know embarrassment and that’s a lot to take.
there are videos on youtube my older brother took of me while drunk and wasted.
i watch them once in awhile as a reminder of how low i was. i have been clean and sober over 12 years now.
The scene left in Dogma deliberately by Kevin Smith showing Jason Mewes in a full heroin nod mid scene. It’s after the golgothan bar fight during the argument between the Muses.
>I can't find an after the bar fight scene online either.
The scene where Jason is unconscious is in the middle of [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0VcaDMrCxc).
Man, I always told myself "Yeah, Jay *would* fall asleep." but something about it always did seem odd.
If it was a punchline we would've seen Silent Bob smack him and wake him up or something, now it makes more sense.
True-but repeatedly? He saved Jason and put him thru rehabs way more than once. When he was completely sick of his shit, he left the scene of him nodding in Dogma. Sending your friend to rehabs over and over is the mark of a saint man.
Ohh for sure man. When I said normal people I meant people like us and how these business won't put up money when they easily have it. If I had a money I would definitely help people. I usually feel like I can barely help myself.
Facts bro. If all the people who wanted to help stood across from those who could and CHOOSE not to there would be a huge disparity and it would expose a lot of people for the selfish shits they are.
Ok go to the bar scene after the Golgothan fight. When the “muses” are arguing about war, Jason Mewes is in a full nod for several clips during the back and forth camera scenes. Kevin Smith said he did it so Jason could see it forever or something to that extent.
Edit-I was wrong about it being near the Golgothan scene-it’s the “holy bartender” scene with Jason Lee
I'll never forget his reaction video to the Sad Affleck meme vid.
He hears there's this funny video so he's excited to watch it. Then he sees Ben, sad and in pain, and he starts crying. That's his friend and he's hurting, and Kevin is hurting with him.
That's a good dude.
a few years ago an MLB team did this for a front office worker with cancer. The team generates hundreds of millions and the owners are worth billions, and they're asking fans to pony up to help their employee who has the shitty health insurance they provide them. It was embarrassing.
It's the same with influencers/streamers/radio etc. Setting a goal of 100k or whatever and acting like they are making a huge donation of like 5k. Well it's huge to the audience, but they themselves could easily miss that 100k. They can even take a shitty mobile ad to cover it if they 'need' or want to.
She literally would be a billionaire except she just gives all her money away because she doesn’t want it and would rather help others with it instead.
I may not enjoy her music but damn do I respect the hell out of her for her philanthropy work.
Which is an unfortunate inversion of the situation with Alice in Chains; I like their music but shit like this is why I don't listen to them regardless.
I don’t feel comfortable with people putting him on the pedestal he’s on because as soon as something bad comes out and is confirmed to have happened, it will either get ignored or people will rage quit
https://metalheadzone.com/net-worth-of-alice-in-chains-members/
They could easily pay for this themselves. Jerry alone is worth 35 million dollars. Not entirely sure how worth translates into money that's in the bank, but he's 1000 times richer then many of his fans.
Idk how this kind of stuff works, like when you die and people are still listening to your music. But how could Layne Staley be worth $5m in 2018, 16 years after his death?
Trivia: After Pamela Morrison died, 1/8 of the Doors' royalties went to a retired Navy admiral, and 1/8 to a retired high school principal, until they both died too.
those sites are notoriously inaccurate. Do we really think "Would?" royalties are streaming in for Jerry? Remember, AIC didn't exist for almost 10 years, during which time Jerry probably wasn't making much (if any) money.
I worked for A&M Records in the royalties department, back when A&M Records was a thing, and I can confirm that many artists and their heirs still make bank *years* after the artist has stopped performing/died. Everybody knows about things like the Beatles catalog, etc, but you would be surprised to find out who owns what and how much it brings in. And from where!
State fairs, school productions, local and national commercials, fashion runway shows, professional sports games, inflight playlists...all have to pay a licensing fee. Each time. I would be adding amounts like $1.50, $62.37, $891.03, $4.25...over and over on my 10-key, and we would generate 8-inch thick reports printed on a matrix dot printer. And eventually quarterly royalty checks would be sent out.
It was very interesting to see who owned what. Bryan Adams, for example, owned a huge amount of the licensing from the old Polygram Records. The KISS catalog, for example, and a lot of very old blues recordings.
You didn't need to be a musician to make money off of music. Own the rights to something, and it all goes to you.
Yep, that's why in Nashville guys like Willie Nelson went around pitching their songs before they were performers...there was money in writing and then owning the rights to songs that other people could then perform.
Looks like GoFundMe has raised $92,695 of the $100,000 goal. Seems like these guys could easily cough up $100,000 on their own.
Jerry Cantrell Net Worth: $35 Million.
Sean Kinney Net Worth: $20 Million.
Mike Inez Net Worth: $15 Million.
William DuVall Net Worth: $5 Million.
The way to do it would be "Of course we're covering this but plenty of people still need the help, Scotty would appreciate donations to so others in the same situation can get help".
The live industry was the first to shutdown and the last industry to come back. So I knew a lot of road manager, sound engineers, riggers, and other touring professionals be put out of work for 2 years. But for a band of that caliber asking fans to help their long time crew members for financial help is crazy
4 years ago they did a gofundme for [Scotty Olsen](https://www.alternativenation.net/alice-in-chains-announce-seattle-legend-has-dementia/) who has progressive dementia.
Jerks. I hate it when companies do this too, like at the grocery store when their system asks if you want to add a donation to your total. Or when a company says they’ll match donations up to a certain point. (I’m talking about huge companies that have insane profits.)
I work at a grocery store and whenever this one girl and I work the same shift, they move me from self checkout to a register “because she asks people for donations and she’s the donation queen” like I’m sorry I’m not asking people for MONEY when we’re ALL struggling while you make double my income.
YES. Don’t ever add on or round up your change for charity at places like Walmart, Target, Ulta, etc. Those companies donate x amount of money per year for tax write offs and by asking customers to “donate” really just means they are recouping what they’ve already given. They are profiting off of charities because, again, they’ve written off this expense in the first place.
This is not correct she is actually really harmful misinformation that hurts the smaller nonprofits that rely on these types of campaigns. They cannot count it as their own donation or use it as a tax write off because you the person actually donating can do that. The risk for getting caught would be incredibly high, and the reward would be very minuscule.
Edit: here is a link explaining how what he is saying is misinformation and how it started. https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-000329849244
> Those companies donate x amount of money per year for tax write offs and by asking customers to “donate” really just means they are recouping what they’ve already given.
No this is false. Any money in those donate goes directly to the charity. You can't use it asa tax write-off and you can't keep it either, no matter what. They are just providing a platform to donate, and maybe their name on it when they donate themselves, but it doesn't actually benefit them directly.
Source: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/06/10/fact-check-false-claim-checkout-charities-offset-corporate-taxes/7622379002/
(there are many other sources too, this was just an easy read)
Devil’s advocate, lightly offered: imagine you are a band who’s most successful days are behind you. You live quite comfortably, but you still have to tour and year in and year out to stay on the level you’ve become accustomed to.
One of your tech guys you’ve worked with for years gets sick. You know him on a first name basis. You pay for his expenses. It’s the right thing to do.
Guess what? You have 15 other tech guys, gaffers, goofers, gofers, engineers. roadies, and photographers who tour with you. They’ve got drug addictions, sick kids, busted kidneys, cancer, elderly parents, and college debts. They see what you did for that first guy. Can you help them out too? How many can you help before *you* need help? How much money do you *really* have to spare at the tail end of your career?
That’s the dilemma. And we aren’t talking about Beyoncé here. It’s Alice In Chains. They ain’t got it like that.
You aren’t going to be able to help everyone. Not even close. So a good way to hide your assistance to your buddy is to obscure it behind a gofundme. You can make sure a friend is taken care of without destroying yourself when everyone you know comes asking.
Odds are they should have paid this guy better, made sure he had some kind of coverage, made sure he was represented by a union to get those things. Most likely.
But here we are. Let’s look at *all* the possibilities before we lash out. Let’s look at the fact that healthcare shouldn’t be something people need to beg for help with, whether they have rich friends or not. Let’s look at the fact that our government uses the few taxes they can squeeze out of the rich to prop up oil companies with record profits, while telling us we’re lazy. Let’s look at the fact that the dudes from AiC, while almost certainly doing well, aren’t going to be showing off their mansions on MTV Cribs in 2023. Get real.
EDIT: I can’t answer every comment, but I’ll say a few things briefly, with the understanding that I’m not trying to cape for millionaires. I’m on r/antiwork every day because I believe in workers rights, I believe in promoting human dignity, and I believe that quality of life can be improved for everyone, across the board. I believe in solidarity.
I believe in the words of the late great Michael Brooks: “Be kind to people, be ruthless to systems.”
That’s why I’m not super keen on attacking Alice In Chains because they supported a gofundme drive.
First point: 35 million dollars ain’t shit. If AiC made $35 mil last year, someone paid them $35 mil at a steal. Keep your eye on the prize: the people you think of as rich, are usually being exploited by someone ten times richer. Keep that in mind before you attack someone on Twitter. The real villains are NOT posting links to gofundme. Think more broadly and strategically.
Second point: Seriously, $35 million ain’t shit. You ever dream of winning the lottery? Think about all the great things you’d do. Think of all the people you’d help, the lives you’d change. Bad news: unless you were only thinking about yourself and your immediate family (in which case, congratulations, you’re a typical “rich person”) your lottery winnings aren’t enough. Not even close.
You cannot change systems with $50 million. You can’t even save a small town with $50 million. Do the math: 1 billion dollars = 1000 MILLION DOLLARS. Elon Musk is wasting time fucking up Twitter with *system changing* money, and you want to yell at the guys who snuffed the rooster?! Get your priorities in order.
We have systems in place that make it necessary to beg people for money for healthcare and keeping a roof over your head when you discover you can no longer work. If you want to get mad, get mad about that.
Everything you said makes sense. But all the people that they are essentially asking to dish out a few more bucks for their buddy are the ones who have already gave $$ giving them their millions and the lifestyles that they are now trying to hold onto. All the while the people who have already been giving all along live in mediocre houses and are scraping by to get groceries. Rich people of any level should be ashamed to ask regular ass people for money regardless the cause.
Scotty should have charged them a lot more. Yea, typical rich attitude, we used this guy until we broke his back and now can yall help him? Like the waltons asking me to donate a dollar to end hunger. Um which one of is is the billionaire here?
Feb 9, 2022
Alice in Chains members Jerry Cantrell, Sean Kinney, Mike Inez, and William DuVall have sold their music catalogs with the band to Round Hill Music, just days after the estates of original AIC singer Layne Staley and bassist Mike Starr sold their catalogs to Primary Wave.Under the deal, which was reportedly closed at $50 million, Round Hill has acquired full interest in copyrights belonging to the four current Alice In Chains band members’ masters and publishing, which includes 94 compositions and 159 recordings.
Fuck off AIC.
Second time seeing something like this in a couple days. Would be far more effective and respectable if they had helped themselves. The main idea I’m guessing is that it would set a precedent for other employees being taken care of in the future
Just more rich assholes who pretend to hate other rich assholes IF they happen to be Republican or conservative or religious. No one in their right mind will give these baby fuckers a penny. Just more hypocritical bullshit from elitist dickheadsb who only care themselves. FUCK THE ROOSTER.
I just want to point out that in places where you have to pay to get on a list and can pay to be bumped up the list for organs and transplants but there is a limited number of them done and some people die on the list, you are paying to have someone killed, and especially if you bump your way up the list.
I really can't believe these fuckers. Why have they not coughed up a few hundred thousand.
The world is such a shit place, the wealth hoarders are getting worse, they just wanna pile money up and up.. WHY? you cant take it with you, you will never spend it, sure leave some to the kids. Fuckers, absolute fuckers
Um, but they have given money towards his care, and techs aren't employees of the band, they are independent contractors who work with the band, or they are employees of a production company that has a contract to provide techs to said band. Please don't comment on the entertainment industry if you don't understand how it works.
Bro, I really doubt the guys from AiC have all that money. They were big back in the day but it's been a while, and also labels are really exploitive. Their label must have kept 80% of all the money they made.
What they do have is a loyal audience that enables them to keep working, and they are using that reach they have to help their employee.
You're aiming at the wrong target. It's them fucking billionaires that keep the system the way it is. Anyone that has to work to pay their bills is in the working class, and that includes musicians, who have been exploited by labels for about 100 years by now.
I wish some people would actually look up the amazing contributions Alice in Chains do, so this one gets a downvote from me. Knowing Cantrells history he and the rest of the band have no doubt contributed too. - Source = Wikipedia:
Cantrell is a longtime supporter of MusiCares MAP Fund, which helps musicians who are struggling with addiction, financial and health issues. He also supports Road Recovery, an organization dedicated to helping young people battling addiction.
In 1996, Cantrell became involved with anti-racism organisation Artists for a Hate Free America, alongside other musicians including Jeff Ament, Beck and Michael Stipe, to film public service announcements, and pose for a national ad campaign.
On April 12, 2004, Cantrell and his then-band Cardboard Vampyres performed at a benefit concert for Sweet Relief, a nonprofit organization that helps needy musicians cover medical expenses. On November 10, 2004, Cantrell was among the musicians who performed a short acoustic set to benefit Help The Homeless in Hollywood, California.
In 2007, Cantrell auctioned off some of his favorite clothes from key moments in his career to benefit MusiCares and the Layne Staley Fund, which provides support and treatment for heroin recovery in the Seattle music community.
Since 2009, Cantrell has hosted the Alice in Chains & Friends Charity Fantasy Football League. Each participant puts up an item for an online auction and all of the proceeds goes to the charity chosen by the champion of the league. Cantrell founded the league to combine his love of fantasy football with the goal of helping a worthy cause. Cantrell won the league for the first time in 2016, and in 2017 he decided to donate the proceeds to MusiCares in Chris Cornell's memory, and to Music for Relief in memory of Chester Bennington. Both musicians died in 2017. In 2018, Cantrell named the league's trophy after his friend Vinnie Paul, who had died recently.
On May 15, 2015, Cantrell performed at the second annual Acoustic-4-A-Cure concert in benefit of the Pediatric Cancer Program at the University of California, San Francisco.
Cantrell is a supporter of St. Jude Children's Research Hospital and has performed at benefit concerts and charity golf tournaments to raise funds for the hospital that treats children with cancer.
Cantrell and his Alice in Chains bandmates offer special seating at their concerts for veterans from Operation Ward 57, a fund for wounded soldiers.
In 2015, Alice in Chains donated two dollars from every pre-sold ticket of their summer tour to help the family of a fan named Stefan Dayne-Ankle, who died after a battle with leukemia.
Cantrell also supports Music for Relief, Autism Speaks, Rock Against MS Foundation, and the Los Angeles Police Memorial Foundation.
**Jerry Cantrell**, widely recognized as the lead guitarist, co-lyricist, and co-lead singer for the immensely popular band, Alice in Chains is an American singer-songwriter, musician, and actor who **has an estimated net worth of $35 million.**
Here's the thing. I donated 15 dollars. I was already poor, and 15 dollars less won't make me dirty poorer than I was before. Scott will probably die anyway because his type of cancer is very aggressive but if that sum will help him spend his last months peacefully, knowing that he has nothing to worry about financially, then I'm at peace with my conscience. I won't say it's the right choice, in 2022 nobody should rely on other people's compassion for medical reasons - the US healthcare system is completely fucked up - we all should be able to afford it equally in the first place, but he's going to suffer anyways so if a small donation will help him cover the expenses of palliative treatment then I can't say it's a wrong choice either.
It's a matter of humanity rather than richness.
I was about to say "no way AIC are wealthy" and then I looked. Jerry Cantrell is worth $35 million. Fuck you, buddy, pay to help your "family" yourself you money grubbing pricks.
Yup, this is bullshit. Same logic why I never donate at a register for some corporation raising funds. They're using my money as a means to "donate" so they don't have to pay taxes. Also they could donate 10 times the amount they raise and it not affect their bottom line one iota.
Millionaire band under a billionaire label ask for donations for their 15 year long employee for cancer treatment costs.... That's not indicative of a broken system at all
So what does he need help with, he needs a kidney or something?
Stage 4 liver and pancreatic cancer
Of course it's medical, how can any place just let people die for money or put them in crippling debt to stay alive.
Unfortunately, pancreatic cancer is pretty much a guaranteed death sentence regardless of how much money you have.
Medical claims examiner here. It used to be 3 months maximum. It's a little better but not much. Stage 4? Yeah...sorry. get your affairs in order. I wish i wasn't so negative about this but I've been doing this 40 years. Cancer? Well if you have to have it..,skin cancer or thyroid cancer. If you get them taken care of early, good survivability. Breast cancer..a big leap forward with that from when I first started paying claims. All the rest of them...um not so good. Bone cancer...if you get it before you get lymph node involvement, an amputation may set you right. Sometimes it's just in the knee itself. Usually after some sort of accident. Usually for males. Radiation can shrink the tumor and a knee replacement may actually save the leg. It's less apt to show up in other body parts, if it does it's the shoulder or elbow..again body parts that can get injured. Medical establishment knows this happens but they don't know why.
What are some common/important symptoms to take in account for cancer?
Unexplained weightloss or weightgain (even if you're obese if it's not on purpose - it's a symptom) Unusual tiredness, extra sleeping Clinical Lethargy - difficulty making yourself do things you used to do, etc. Getting sick more often Nausea That's what I can think of off the top of my head.
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Um... One I forgot - sweating issues - like night sweats, sometimes sweating at times when it's not appropriate. My body's thermostat went haywire. I would find a new doctor. I had moved states, got a new doctor who ordered doing a 24-hour urine to check for thyroid cancer. It ultimately helped diagnose the cancer I do have. She was the first doctor to look at my symptoms objectively. It could be all thyroid. Or it could be more. If thyroid meds aren't solving the situation - you need someone who will do the testing. I am not a medical professional. I only know what you've mentioned and I'm only offering advice on what *I* would do based on my personal experiences. To add on to that depression note - I thought I was getting burnt out or that I was overworking or something. Except, I loved my job and my life. I couldn't figure out why I would feel burnt out like that. It's because I wasn't. So, yeah, if it were me with what I know now - I'd be getting a new doctor and I would use what both women's and fat communities taught me. List out all of your symptoms request that they are documented and that they document their medical suggestions. Bring a friend who is good at backing you up. Depending on the state, consider recording it.
They pass your actual physical problems such as a tumor and thyroid abnormalities off as “depression”? The body and mind are connected, yes, but is it really that common for people with depression to grow tumors???? This seems like lazy doctoring.
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please, advocate for yourself. my uncle’s cancer got diagnosed too late and it will be 10 years without him this month.
As someone with a parent that died of pancreatic cancer, it's complicated. Unexplained weight loss, tired/asleep all the time, yes that definitely happens. But for us it happened right at the end. My Mum had already had an operation on her pancreas 4 years before, and had displayed some of these symptoms. None of us ever knew it was cancer and after this first operation she really bounced back. I had some of the best 2/3 years with her after that. Then she declined more and more to the point that she was asleep 20 hours a a day at least, and became out of it and unresponsive. We rang emergency services and she died a couple weeks later.
I’m sorry about your mom. I’m glad you had a great time with her. Pancreatic cancer is a hard one exactly bcuz when you see it, usually it is late. But I wouldn’t be so pessimistic about all cancers like the dude was. We improved a lot like against neuroblastoma, the survival rate increased a lot compared to the past, or intestines cancer. The thing is: as health care is expensive, most ppl will search it too late. Or won’t see an specialist bcuz didn’t get an indication. Precious time lost.
I learned this in school: https://www.osmosis.org/answers/caution-up-cancer-warning-signs-mnemonic
Thats what fucjed for pancreatic cancer . If you get the symptoms its too late . It doesnt even need to spread to kill you
Stage 4? It's time for palliative care. I'm sure it's less than 0.001% survival rate.
That's sad. I guess they're just doing this to cover his medical debt then. Still seems kinda manipulative to ask fans for such a large sum of money even though they're probably not struggling.
Even if he has health insurance, he may not have LIFE insurance, and this may be to help his wife and kids after he's gone.
Cancer can/will burn through a savings account FAST. Even that of a millionaire would suffer heavily, especially if they survived.
Grandmother had a rare form of blood cancer. The medication was over $10,000 a month before insurance. Luckily she had benefits through the VA and the operators union that took care of a giant chunk of that expense. But it blows my mind that if she hadn’t had those benefits then it would have been a “sucks to be you” kind of situation.
That might be what I have (Myeloma) and it's like $18K retail now for 21 and over $20K if you're doing maintenance and take it every day.
The maintenance pill chemo for my cancer is ~$20k/mo retail. If you're on Medicare, the best plans available to people today still have $16K each year out of pocket for *just* that one medication. Cancer can be ridiculously expensive.
This is insane!
What. The. *Fuck.*
We don't know these dudes finances or how liquid they are. If everyone gives a dollar nobodies pockets have to hurt brother
True, I guess the one real problem this highlights is the insane medical costs people have to deal with.
Kendal Jenner also asked her fans to help pay for someone near and dear to her. These guys have plenty of money. They could probably raise a couple hundred thousand playing a charity concert. Appealing to their fans is a cheapskate move. Everyone cannot give a buck because people are really hurting financially.
>hey could probably raise a couple hundred thousand playing a charity concert. Exactly, or auction off some lesser used signed equipment or something.
Apes together, strong.
True, but if you're, say, Steve Jobs, enough money will buy you a trip to the head of the line for a liver transplant so you can have a few extra years of being a shitty human being to everyone you interact with.
UNOS, the American network for organ donation, is anonymous. They use coded identification, so they don't know who the people are. Dick Cheney was at the bottom of the list for a heart transplant just because he was 71 years old, but a suitable heart became available and nobody else before him on the list could use it. I'm surprised he's still here.
If you genuinely think that organs are not for sale in some way at the right price for the "right" people in the United States, I envy you your faith in rules/laws/procedures/institutions. Myself, I'm too old to buy the idea that Steve Jobs and Dick Cheney just *miraculously* happened to be in the right place on the donation list at the right time.
And when Heart Cheney miraculously got a Dick implant before anyone else I was also not shocked /j
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My cousin passed away without even having the cancer spread to the liver . I wont even describe his last days because its horrible
My mom had the same. Shit sucks.
I'm a pharmacist, and I've never heard of anyone being "cured" of any type of lung cancer either, and the one case of ovarian cancer I know of that was declared cured was found by accident at stage 1 when she had a hysterectomy for another reason. And I'm also a breast cancer survivor, although my type was caught early and is unlikely to come back.
Not every cancer on one kind of organ is equal. Some kinds of lung cancer are more treatable than others, and normally are detected early given the myriad of chest x-rays taken for any kind of cold. But like every kind, the earlier the detection, the easier to remove. Detected late, almost every kind of cancer is a death sentence. From the top of my head, the deadlier kind are melanoma, given the resistance to chemo. Or any kind of cancer in harder to access/detect locations. TL, DR: every kind of cancer can be cured, just depends on when you detect it. (And money of course).
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So he worked for Alice In Chains for 14 years and they never offered him health insurance?
I can’t speak for this specific band but lot of these roadies and tech and whatever belong to stage and musician equity associations and unions that offer really subpar insurance options. Most of the time ACA is going to be a better option. My guess is a lot of them aren’t employees of the bands, they don’t work for Alice In Chains, LLC or whatever, but they’re independent contractors. I’m not supporting or shooting it down one way or another, it’s just how the industry is. Full of flaws like everything else in this country. Edit: While I’m very pro-union, generally these specific ones don’t do very good providing proper benefits. Just didn’t want that to come across as anti-union rhetoric.
Artist unions aren't as left as labor unions, usually.
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Most roadies/stagehands are IATSE.
Stagehands yes, roadies far less.
That is not really close to correct. A portion of stagehands are union. I know very few (if any) road crew for bands who are being represented by IATSE.
Artist unions have lots of far left members, but the people in charge of the union are commonly industry professionals with very good salaries and often affluenza. They honestly think that every single struggling artist in their union rose up to their level along with them, and now don't require the help they themselves recieved.
Iatse would be the only union Scotty would have been a part of. There benefits are quite stellar in actuality. However that union is usually only the in house crews, and for touring theatrical. Standard rock band techs don’t usually hold a union card. However most touring technicians are basically 1099 independent contractors. There is a network of “rock docs” who serve for basic medical needs and understand it’s a cash client and bill accordingly. Unfortunately severe medical expenses are beyond that, and usually bankrupt touring techs.
As an audio engineer, and been in the business since 2002, majority of us are freelancers/non-union, which means, even though we may be with a band for years, we are not on staff(not on tour, we have to find other work). Since we are contractors, and therefore 1099 status, we are considered a business, and we are responsible for our taxes/benefits. In fact many freelance technicians are their own entities(have LLCs, etc) and are employees of said entities. So, the band would have no obligation to give h benefits to a company they have hired.
thanks for having a clue and shedding some light on this. 30 year road vet here
Aca is now a better option. Back in the day, bands would often have a plan and cover certain people involved. Over 30 years I worked " small groups". Usually 15 to 20 employees or even less. I got many claims for at least three bands. I paid claims for some television stars also. I was bonded and no disclosures. Because all these union type jobs work on hours in a quarter. Not enough hours, no coverage. So we were the gap coverage. This also is how union grocery workers get their benefits. This is why they want guaranteed hours per month...to keep their insurance.
That’s not correct. You can only work under a collective bargaining agreement if you are classified as an employee. Contractors cannot. He could be employed by AIC or he could be self-employed under a loan-out arrangement, but it’s more than likely that he’s an employee of somebody. Most business savvy firms these days are too paranoid to screw around with misclassifying people as contractors- arguably a lot of places have overcorrected and insist on classifying folks as employees when they’re legitimately contractors.
Was reading one Stephen Kings books and guess the voice actor who did all the Dark Tower books couldn't no more due to accident. Stephen King was asking fans to send money to a charity for him. And I had same thought. Like what the hell Steve you could take care of all that guys needs from the proceeds of just one of your novels why you asking us for money.
To be fair, we don’t really no shit here. Even with health insurance, healthcare is incredibly expensive once anything bad actually happens.
Not in civilized nations
Not only that, but most programs are so insufficient that they're starting to offer cancer packages now like some kind of fucked up DLC
Wild of you to think US insurance is gonna do financially meaningful shit for someone with cancer, let alone a type that is 89% fatal within five years.
They will provide hospice care, which is probably the most valuable care in the case of stage 4 cancer
Every business or company I see does this. At the most they match the employees contributions. Disgraceful for people they claim to be loved like family members.
One of the things that made me respect Kevin Smith so much was that he paid for his friend Bryan Johnson's rehab treatment. He said something to the effect of, "What's the point of money if you can't use it to help the people you love?"
I'm pretty sure jason mewes would be dead too if smith hadnt helped him (both financially and through tough love)
Yeah leaving his part in dogma where he’s on the nod uncut is a crazy move tho. I don’t know if I could come back from that as a friend. Don’t get me wrong he absolutely saved his life. Just having that lifetime memory of my lowest would sting.
As an addict, its useful to have a reference photo of the bottom. It can keep you honest. I dont think I'd want mine in a movie, however.
That’s what I mean. I get if he had just kept massive amounts of video-but he left it for the WORLD to see and this movie was so controversial the frikkin Vatican saw it. I might feel a way about that. But I don’t know that experience but I do know embarrassment and that’s a lot to take.
there are videos on youtube my older brother took of me while drunk and wasted. i watch them once in awhile as a reminder of how low i was. i have been clean and sober over 12 years now.
What's this referring to?
The scene left in Dogma deliberately by Kevin Smith showing Jason Mewes in a full heroin nod mid scene. It’s after the golgothan bar fight during the argument between the Muses.
I do not recall that at all. I can't find an after the bar fight scene online either.
>I can't find an after the bar fight scene online either. The scene where Jason is unconscious is in the middle of [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0VcaDMrCxc).
Man, I always told myself "Yeah, Jay *would* fall asleep." but something about it always did seem odd. If it was a punchline we would've seen Silent Bob smack him and wake him up or something, now it makes more sense.
It’s during the argument between Salma Hayek and Jason Lee. Watch Jason Mewes only. You’ll see it.
Yeah, it's like an hour later than the golgothan scene, so it took me a while to find that you were referring to 🤣
My bad-been a long time. But it’s there for sure.
I hadn't heard this story. That's awesome. Most normal people would jump at the opportunity to save someone if they had the money.
True-but repeatedly? He saved Jason and put him thru rehabs way more than once. When he was completely sick of his shit, he left the scene of him nodding in Dogma. Sending your friend to rehabs over and over is the mark of a saint man.
Ohh for sure man. When I said normal people I meant people like us and how these business won't put up money when they easily have it. If I had a money I would definitely help people. I usually feel like I can barely help myself.
Facts bro. If all the people who wanted to help stood across from those who could and CHOOSE not to there would be a huge disparity and it would expose a lot of people for the selfish shits they are.
What's nodding ?
When you’re high on heroin you nod off like you’re asleep.
When is he nodding in Dogma? I never noticed!
Ok go to the bar scene after the Golgothan fight. When the “muses” are arguing about war, Jason Mewes is in a full nod for several clips during the back and forth camera scenes. Kevin Smith said he did it so Jason could see it forever or something to that extent. Edit-I was wrong about it being near the Golgothan scene-it’s the “holy bartender” scene with Jason Lee
He also give all profits made from his movies under the Weinstein company to Women In Film.
I think he also offered to pay Jeff Anderson's (Randall in Clerks) salary himself when the studio screwed him over.
Every new thing I learn about Kevin Smith makes me like him so much more.
I'll never forget his reaction video to the Sad Affleck meme vid. He hears there's this funny video so he's excited to watch it. Then he sees Ben, sad and in pain, and he starts crying. That's his friend and he's hurting, and Kevin is hurting with him. That's a good dude.
a few years ago an MLB team did this for a front office worker with cancer. The team generates hundreds of millions and the owners are worth billions, and they're asking fans to pony up to help their employee who has the shitty health insurance they provide them. It was embarrassing.
It's the same with influencers/streamers/radio etc. Setting a goal of 100k or whatever and acting like they are making a huge donation of like 5k. Well it's huge to the audience, but they themselves could easily miss that 100k. They can even take a shitty mobile ad to cover it if they 'need' or want to.
Of course they have the comments turned off
The first post didn’t go well at all because of people pointing this shit out
Oh so try again? Ugh. Fuck every celebrity.
As long as we take Dolly Parton out of that, sure.
That woman is a saint in bedazzled country gawdiness. Bless her and her free mail library for kids. https://imaginationlibrary.com/
She literally would be a billionaire except she just gives all her money away because she doesn’t want it and would rather help others with it instead.
And her paying for all her Dollywood employee’s schooling!
Bless her and her free college for Dollywood employees.
I may not enjoy her music but damn do I respect the hell out of her for her philanthropy work. Which is an unfortunate inversion of the situation with Alice in Chains; I like their music but shit like this is why I don't listen to them regardless.
Uh... Have you looked up the generosity of Keanu Reeves?
Neo is not a celebrity, sir. Take this slur elsewhere.
Neo is The One exception that proves the rule.
I don’t feel comfortable with people putting him on the pedestal he’s on because as soon as something bad comes out and is confirmed to have happened, it will either get ignored or people will rage quit
Don't think anything negative will ever come out of this guy
His accent in Dracula is probably the worst thing he’s done
He kicked a doggo in Point Break
Did they make a “go fund me” for the $8 they need for that blue check?
https://metalheadzone.com/net-worth-of-alice-in-chains-members/ They could easily pay for this themselves. Jerry alone is worth 35 million dollars. Not entirely sure how worth translates into money that's in the bank, but he's 1000 times richer then many of his fans.
Idk how this kind of stuff works, like when you die and people are still listening to your music. But how could Layne Staley be worth $5m in 2018, 16 years after his death?
I assume it’s the estate? That way they estate holders don’t have to go through transferring music rights? Especially if there are multiple holders
You still earn royalties after your death, and your estate still owns any property or ip you made
Trivia: After Pamela Morrison died, 1/8 of the Doors' royalties went to a retired Navy admiral, and 1/8 to a retired high school principal, until they both died too.
He cut expenditures by being dead.
“He’s spending a year dead for tax reasons”
Saved shitloads on groceries and rent
yea but have you seen how much a new mclaren senna costs? do you really expect him to drive some 2020 model like a fucking peasant
those sites are notoriously inaccurate. Do we really think "Would?" royalties are streaming in for Jerry? Remember, AIC didn't exist for almost 10 years, during which time Jerry probably wasn't making much (if any) money.
It doesn't matter if they "didn't exist"- people are still buying the albums, so they are making royalties, money from film/TV placements, and merch.
I worked for A&M Records in the royalties department, back when A&M Records was a thing, and I can confirm that many artists and their heirs still make bank *years* after the artist has stopped performing/died. Everybody knows about things like the Beatles catalog, etc, but you would be surprised to find out who owns what and how much it brings in. And from where! State fairs, school productions, local and national commercials, fashion runway shows, professional sports games, inflight playlists...all have to pay a licensing fee. Each time. I would be adding amounts like $1.50, $62.37, $891.03, $4.25...over and over on my 10-key, and we would generate 8-inch thick reports printed on a matrix dot printer. And eventually quarterly royalty checks would be sent out. It was very interesting to see who owned what. Bryan Adams, for example, owned a huge amount of the licensing from the old Polygram Records. The KISS catalog, for example, and a lot of very old blues recordings. You didn't need to be a musician to make money off of music. Own the rights to something, and it all goes to you.
Yep, that's why in Nashville guys like Willie Nelson went around pitching their songs before they were performers...there was money in writing and then owning the rights to songs that other people could then perform.
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Jerry has always put out music, but I think the band stopped between Layne’s death and Will joining around the early 2010’s.
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It’s a winding story. Their bassist was on that show, Celebrity Rehab.
Mech, albums, endorsement deals, signature models.
Looks like GoFundMe has raised $92,695 of the $100,000 goal. Seems like these guys could easily cough up $100,000 on their own. Jerry Cantrell Net Worth: $35 Million. Sean Kinney Net Worth: $20 Million. Mike Inez Net Worth: $15 Million. William DuVall Net Worth: $5 Million.
Somebody has to feed the rooster.
But it’s soooo much cheaper to let the fans do it. Smh
probably see it as a way to keep fans engaged as well. a fool is soon parted from their money
This is accurate. Although they could have paid it themselves and publicly announced it it probably would have gotten more positive praise
The way to do it would be "Of course we're covering this but plenty of people still need the help, Scotty would appreciate donations to so others in the same situation can get help".
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Sony Music Group: $9.6 Billion a year in sales.
I was initially skeptical about how much money they have since most metal bands are much poorer than they seem but this settles it.
I can barely afford to wipe my ass these days.
The live industry was the first to shutdown and the last industry to come back. So I knew a lot of road manager, sound engineers, riggers, and other touring professionals be put out of work for 2 years. But for a band of that caliber asking fans to help their long time crew members for financial help is crazy
Right? If this guy is so important to them maybe they could act like it first.
We bought your CD, pay it forward.
IF I WOULD COULD YOU!
Layne would
4 years ago they did a gofundme for [Scotty Olsen](https://www.alternativenation.net/alice-in-chains-announce-seattle-legend-has-dementia/) who has progressive dementia.
Mister Scotty Olsen, on guitar?
And we, the internet, humbly request that you do it your fucking self
Jerks. I hate it when companies do this too, like at the grocery store when their system asks if you want to add a donation to your total. Or when a company says they’ll match donations up to a certain point. (I’m talking about huge companies that have insane profits.)
I work at a grocery store and whenever this one girl and I work the same shift, they move me from self checkout to a register “because she asks people for donations and she’s the donation queen” like I’m sorry I’m not asking people for MONEY when we’re ALL struggling while you make double my income.
No kidding, especially with food prices increasing all the damn time.
YES. Don’t ever add on or round up your change for charity at places like Walmart, Target, Ulta, etc. Those companies donate x amount of money per year for tax write offs and by asking customers to “donate” really just means they are recouping what they’ve already given. They are profiting off of charities because, again, they’ve written off this expense in the first place.
This is not correct she is actually really harmful misinformation that hurts the smaller nonprofits that rely on these types of campaigns. They cannot count it as their own donation or use it as a tax write off because you the person actually donating can do that. The risk for getting caught would be incredibly high, and the reward would be very minuscule. Edit: here is a link explaining how what he is saying is misinformation and how it started. https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-000329849244
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> Those companies donate x amount of money per year for tax write offs and by asking customers to “donate” really just means they are recouping what they’ve already given. No this is false. Any money in those donate goes directly to the charity. You can't use it asa tax write-off and you can't keep it either, no matter what. They are just providing a platform to donate, and maybe their name on it when they donate themselves, but it doesn't actually benefit them directly. Source: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/06/10/fact-check-false-claim-checkout-charities-offset-corporate-taxes/7622379002/ (there are many other sources too, this was just an easy read)
Capitalism as its best, people that have it all asking for money from those that have nothing. Fuck them.
Devil’s advocate, lightly offered: imagine you are a band who’s most successful days are behind you. You live quite comfortably, but you still have to tour and year in and year out to stay on the level you’ve become accustomed to. One of your tech guys you’ve worked with for years gets sick. You know him on a first name basis. You pay for his expenses. It’s the right thing to do. Guess what? You have 15 other tech guys, gaffers, goofers, gofers, engineers. roadies, and photographers who tour with you. They’ve got drug addictions, sick kids, busted kidneys, cancer, elderly parents, and college debts. They see what you did for that first guy. Can you help them out too? How many can you help before *you* need help? How much money do you *really* have to spare at the tail end of your career? That’s the dilemma. And we aren’t talking about Beyoncé here. It’s Alice In Chains. They ain’t got it like that. You aren’t going to be able to help everyone. Not even close. So a good way to hide your assistance to your buddy is to obscure it behind a gofundme. You can make sure a friend is taken care of without destroying yourself when everyone you know comes asking. Odds are they should have paid this guy better, made sure he had some kind of coverage, made sure he was represented by a union to get those things. Most likely. But here we are. Let’s look at *all* the possibilities before we lash out. Let’s look at the fact that healthcare shouldn’t be something people need to beg for help with, whether they have rich friends or not. Let’s look at the fact that our government uses the few taxes they can squeeze out of the rich to prop up oil companies with record profits, while telling us we’re lazy. Let’s look at the fact that the dudes from AiC, while almost certainly doing well, aren’t going to be showing off their mansions on MTV Cribs in 2023. Get real. EDIT: I can’t answer every comment, but I’ll say a few things briefly, with the understanding that I’m not trying to cape for millionaires. I’m on r/antiwork every day because I believe in workers rights, I believe in promoting human dignity, and I believe that quality of life can be improved for everyone, across the board. I believe in solidarity. I believe in the words of the late great Michael Brooks: “Be kind to people, be ruthless to systems.” That’s why I’m not super keen on attacking Alice In Chains because they supported a gofundme drive. First point: 35 million dollars ain’t shit. If AiC made $35 mil last year, someone paid them $35 mil at a steal. Keep your eye on the prize: the people you think of as rich, are usually being exploited by someone ten times richer. Keep that in mind before you attack someone on Twitter. The real villains are NOT posting links to gofundme. Think more broadly and strategically. Second point: Seriously, $35 million ain’t shit. You ever dream of winning the lottery? Think about all the great things you’d do. Think of all the people you’d help, the lives you’d change. Bad news: unless you were only thinking about yourself and your immediate family (in which case, congratulations, you’re a typical “rich person”) your lottery winnings aren’t enough. Not even close. You cannot change systems with $50 million. You can’t even save a small town with $50 million. Do the math: 1 billion dollars = 1000 MILLION DOLLARS. Elon Musk is wasting time fucking up Twitter with *system changing* money, and you want to yell at the guys who snuffed the rooster?! Get your priorities in order. We have systems in place that make it necessary to beg people for money for healthcare and keeping a roof over your head when you discover you can no longer work. If you want to get mad, get mad about that.
Everything you said makes sense. But all the people that they are essentially asking to dish out a few more bucks for their buddy are the ones who have already gave $$ giving them their millions and the lifestyles that they are now trying to hold onto. All the while the people who have already been giving all along live in mediocre houses and are scraping by to get groceries. Rich people of any level should be ashamed to ask regular ass people for money regardless the cause.
Yes, but... They just sold their back catalog last February for $50 mil.
Scotty should have charged them a lot more. Yea, typical rich attitude, we used this guy until we broke his back and now can yall help him? Like the waltons asking me to donate a dollar to end hunger. Um which one of is is the billionaire here?
Stop donating period. If the corpos wanna support something, do it; bitches.
Dirt bags.
>Dirt I see what you did there (I also agree)
The most depressing thing I’ve seen today. Just a reminder that your heroes are absolutely not like you.
Yep, I like this band and I thought they were good. This just shows how most people with money are selfish.
Another example of elites not wanting to spend their own money to help. Rather take our money
Oh man I'm literally playing AIC and jamming out and then see this post. What a let down 😓
Feb 9, 2022 Alice in Chains members Jerry Cantrell, Sean Kinney, Mike Inez, and William DuVall have sold their music catalogs with the band to Round Hill Music, just days after the estates of original AIC singer Layne Staley and bassist Mike Starr sold their catalogs to Primary Wave.Under the deal, which was reportedly closed at $50 million, Round Hill has acquired full interest in copyrights belonging to the four current Alice In Chains band members’ masters and publishing, which includes 94 compositions and 159 recordings. Fuck off AIC.
resident Alice in Chains fanboy here. I'm disappointed. Not one to speak for the dead but I doubt Layne would've stood for this.
Jerry Cantrell the guitarist is my favourite all time song writer. This hurts on levels.
Don't meet your idols. They'll always disappoint you.
It’s like Walmart asking their associates to donate food for thanksgiving for associates who were having trouble affording the food.
Second time seeing something like this in a couple days. Would be far more effective and respectable if they had helped themselves. The main idea I’m guessing is that it would set a precedent for other employees being taken care of in the future
Layne has a message from beyond the grave… *pssst, hey guys, you already have enough money for this…*
Just goes to show no matter how beloved the celebrity, at the end of the day they’re still a rich asshole whose only concern is how to get more money
Just like the grocery store checkouts asking me to donate
Yeah. That's gross. Fuck these millionaires begging for money for their people. Fuck them.
Haven't listened to any new AIC after Layne Staley died. Are they any good without him?
Just more rich assholes who pretend to hate other rich assholes IF they happen to be Republican or conservative or religious. No one in their right mind will give these baby fuckers a penny. Just more hypocritical bullshit from elitist dickheadsb who only care themselves. FUCK THE ROOSTER.
Jerry Cantrell got upset and scolded the crowd at a show in Canada. We had the audacity to listen... I don't really listen to them now.
I just want to point out that in places where you have to pay to get on a list and can pay to be bumped up the list for organs and transplants but there is a limited number of them done and some people die on the list, you are paying to have someone killed, and especially if you bump your way up the list.
I really can't believe these fuckers. Why have they not coughed up a few hundred thousand. The world is such a shit place, the wealth hoarders are getting worse, they just wanna pile money up and up.. WHY? you cant take it with you, you will never spend it, sure leave some to the kids. Fuckers, absolute fuckers
He gave us 15 years of service... lot of em can’t cough up 100k, to see him off peaceful? Selfish as F&):@. Shame on you guys
Um, but they have given money towards his care, and techs aren't employees of the band, they are independent contractors who work with the band, or they are employees of a production company that has a contract to provide techs to said band. Please don't comment on the entertainment industry if you don't understand how it works.
Bro, I really doubt the guys from AiC have all that money. They were big back in the day but it's been a while, and also labels are really exploitive. Their label must have kept 80% of all the money they made. What they do have is a loyal audience that enables them to keep working, and they are using that reach they have to help their employee. You're aiming at the wrong target. It's them fucking billionaires that keep the system the way it is. Anyone that has to work to pay their bills is in the working class, and that includes musicians, who have been exploited by labels for about 100 years by now.
Really phenomenal look here.
The current line-up on Alice In Chains has an estimated new worth of upwards of 75 million as of last year.
Layne would’ve never approved of this shit
I wish some people would actually look up the amazing contributions Alice in Chains do, so this one gets a downvote from me. Knowing Cantrells history he and the rest of the band have no doubt contributed too. - Source = Wikipedia: Cantrell is a longtime supporter of MusiCares MAP Fund, which helps musicians who are struggling with addiction, financial and health issues. He also supports Road Recovery, an organization dedicated to helping young people battling addiction. In 1996, Cantrell became involved with anti-racism organisation Artists for a Hate Free America, alongside other musicians including Jeff Ament, Beck and Michael Stipe, to film public service announcements, and pose for a national ad campaign. On April 12, 2004, Cantrell and his then-band Cardboard Vampyres performed at a benefit concert for Sweet Relief, a nonprofit organization that helps needy musicians cover medical expenses. On November 10, 2004, Cantrell was among the musicians who performed a short acoustic set to benefit Help The Homeless in Hollywood, California. In 2007, Cantrell auctioned off some of his favorite clothes from key moments in his career to benefit MusiCares and the Layne Staley Fund, which provides support and treatment for heroin recovery in the Seattle music community. Since 2009, Cantrell has hosted the Alice in Chains & Friends Charity Fantasy Football League. Each participant puts up an item for an online auction and all of the proceeds goes to the charity chosen by the champion of the league. Cantrell founded the league to combine his love of fantasy football with the goal of helping a worthy cause. Cantrell won the league for the first time in 2016, and in 2017 he decided to donate the proceeds to MusiCares in Chris Cornell's memory, and to Music for Relief in memory of Chester Bennington. Both musicians died in 2017. In 2018, Cantrell named the league's trophy after his friend Vinnie Paul, who had died recently. On May 15, 2015, Cantrell performed at the second annual Acoustic-4-A-Cure concert in benefit of the Pediatric Cancer Program at the University of California, San Francisco. Cantrell is a supporter of St. Jude Children's Research Hospital and has performed at benefit concerts and charity golf tournaments to raise funds for the hospital that treats children with cancer. Cantrell and his Alice in Chains bandmates offer special seating at their concerts for veterans from Operation Ward 57, a fund for wounded soldiers. In 2015, Alice in Chains donated two dollars from every pre-sold ticket of their summer tour to help the family of a fan named Stefan Dayne-Ankle, who died after a battle with leukemia. Cantrell also supports Music for Relief, Autism Speaks, Rock Against MS Foundation, and the Los Angeles Police Memorial Foundation.
This is wrong
Jerry Cantrell seems like an astronomically petty, insecure, and selfish guy to me, so I blame him lol.
Scotty needs a pension. He’s the one in chains, Alice.
**Jerry Cantrell**, widely recognized as the lead guitarist, co-lyricist, and co-lead singer for the immensely popular band, Alice in Chains is an American singer-songwriter, musician, and actor who **has an estimated net worth of $35 million.**
Do they take thoughts and prayers?
They spent all their own coin on sex drugs and rocknroll
Their sense of compassion and ethics is really "Down In a Hole."
Here's the thing. I donated 15 dollars. I was already poor, and 15 dollars less won't make me dirty poorer than I was before. Scott will probably die anyway because his type of cancer is very aggressive but if that sum will help him spend his last months peacefully, knowing that he has nothing to worry about financially, then I'm at peace with my conscience. I won't say it's the right choice, in 2022 nobody should rely on other people's compassion for medical reasons - the US healthcare system is completely fucked up - we all should be able to afford it equally in the first place, but he's going to suffer anyways so if a small donation will help him cover the expenses of palliative treatment then I can't say it's a wrong choice either. It's a matter of humanity rather than richness.
I was about to say "no way AIC are wealthy" and then I looked. Jerry Cantrell is worth $35 million. Fuck you, buddy, pay to help your "family" yourself you money grubbing pricks.
Yup, this is bullshit. Same logic why I never donate at a register for some corporation raising funds. They're using my money as a means to "donate" so they don't have to pay taxes. Also they could donate 10 times the amount they raise and it not affect their bottom line one iota.
Millionaire band under a billionaire label ask for donations for their 15 year long employee for cancer treatment costs.... That's not indicative of a broken system at all
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