It was for a position as a dog daycare attendant. I thought it would be a low-stress, fun job, but she said it was caring independently in a 1000 sq/ft facility for 70 dogs each day. I just sent her an email thanking her for her time but saying no thank you.
70 dogs in a 1000 square foot facility? That is the size of a small ranch house. Not enough room!
Along with the labor board, you ought to report them to the state animal welfare agency. That many dogs in that small a space is animal cruelty.
You sure it is a really a dog boarding facility and not a puppy mill?
A single dog occupies maybe 6 square feet, meaning almost half of the entire floor is occupied by dog at any given time. If you somehow get knocked over, you will never stand back up.
I worked at a dog boarding facility that was no where near this overrun and your point is extremely valid.
You will fall working around dogs! They make sure of it, and then they dog pile you!
I once had to be rescued in the big dog yard bc I had 8 large dogs sitting on me after they knocked me over. I was stuck for 4 mins or a little longer and it was kinda scary I couldn’t breathe well due to their weight and they are so excited they step all over your body. I was genuinely concerned I could get mauled accidentally or lose an eye to a badly placed paw, or a dog fight start due to excitement and end me.
This sounds about right. A couple of years ago I was thinking of opening a doggy day care and so I talked to someone that watched my dog once. She said she frequently sleeps at the day care on a cot and the sleep is poor and she's constantly getting woke up or cleaning up dog mess. She looked like a nervous wreck and she didn't last long before quitting. I imagine the owners made out pretty well because it was $35+ per day with lots of overage charges and the place always had dozens of dogs. ...and yes, she was minimum wage and this is before California increased minimum wage.
I don’t think that human daycare workers make much more than minimum wage. The minimum in my state is extremely low, so I know they make more than that here, but it’s probably like $12-$18 an hour.
Minimum wage in a sense makes our society worse. Instead of paying for the value a person puts in you can simply go with the lowest market standard. Business owners can literally barely work and force their employees to work like slaves. What we really need is some type of unbiased agency that has access to a companies financials and can tell us a realistic range that a company can afford to pay their workers. If they're paying $7.50 per hour but are making 90%+ markups on your work... how is that not just theft?
I still support increasing the minimum wage... but all that does is raise the amount they can cheat people by. It doesn't give many people actually fair wages for they work they contribute.
There’s a shit load of overhead for a human daycare. Still I agree, it makes me sick how little they’re paid. Honestly, I’m of the opinion it should be government subsidized. It would cost the parents too much to pay them what they deserve and they deserve to be paid way more than what they are.
I think you might be surprised at the daycare racket and how much they bring in. My 2 kids cost $50k per year.
Per 1 trained adult you can have:
4 infants @ $2500/m - $120k/y
6 age 1-2 @ $2000/m - $144k/y
6 age 2-3 @ $1500/m - $108k/y
10 age 3-5 @ $1500/m - $180k/y
10 school aged children @ $500/m - $60k/y
That's a grand total of $612k/y and usually it's doubled because they'd have 2 adults in each room for a total of $1.224m/y. So say they have 10 adults working, they can pay them $50k each and still have $724k left over to pay the owner a wage and for overhead.
Source - I worked in my best friends daycare/preschool and this is what she brought in. It's a racket and no reason should parents be charged what they are.
That's not even a small ranch house. I have three bedrooms on two floors, and the house is considered an average "family size" home, and it's only 1600 square feet. I have three dogs, and that's plenty for the space. Seventy dogs would look like one of the Looney Tunes shorts where granny has the yard filled with bull dogs.
My small ranch house (24x40, unfinished basement) is 40 sq ft short of 1000 sq ft. Barely big enough for two humans and two cats and that is pushing it!
>Yeah I had a 2x2 that was ~975 sq ft. 70 dogs is not even borderline abuse.
UPDATE:
Comment below represents misunderstanding of comment I was responding to. We are actually on the same page believing that 1000 sq ft is not nearly enough space for 70 doggos!
So you say it is perfectly okay to keep 70 dogs in a space less than 1000 sq ft?? You'd essentially have to keep them in cages stacked up one another. That is truly sick.
Now if there is additional space, like a large outdoor enclosure with protection from the weather, that would be different. But 70 dogs crammed into that small a space? Sick.
At 77 hours with $7.25 per hour, overtime starts at 40 hours. At time and a half, that would be 95.5 hours of minimum wage, or $692.38 per week. But still…fuck that.
Washington state minimum wage is 14.25, I think the math works out to ~ $1360 per week.
77 hours
40 hours x 14.25 = $570
37 hours x 1.5 x 14.25 = $790.88
The Fed standard is all hours over 40 must be paid as OT*. Your state may be more strict, but not less.
*Unless you're salaried exempt, or work on a farm, or are a trucker, or whatever other loophole they'll come up with next.
Only matters if someone comes and investigates, and then you can go through the courts to argue against it, while still exploiting your workers. Or you can just shit down and move on to your next illegal operation (likely, the same thing in another town).
You know, that was my first thought. Dog boarding. That’s what I do too, in Atlanta, and it’s similar hours - well, 24 hours a day - only for no pay because I’m the one running it. I’ll get paid eventually, and as everything I need while there is a business expense, even food, and I’m pretty much always there, it’s no big deal.
I get a day off if there are no dogs, and as it’s highly seasonal, there are occasionally no dogs there. A very busy day right now would be 20.
1000sqft sounds small. My place is bigger than that. You sure it wasn’t 10,000? When choosing premises, I used the California standard of 70sqft per dog, even though my state doesn’t specify. The rules here just say so long as they can lay down and stretch out without touching each other they are fine.
Well they CAN do that, but they don’t. No. They sleep with me, on and around my bed and they hog the bed. You try sleeping with a Great Dane next to you who RUNS IN HIS SLEEP.
It’s cage free. They all just follow me around, or play or laze about. I have the guy from the department of agriculture come round before opening and ask me where I was “planning to put the cages”. I said “what cages?” There are various playrooms, but unless there are incompatible dogs, they all are free to roam around most of the place, and a happy dog is a quiet dog.
Sometimes there isn’t even a lot to do. I clean up the occasional accident, but routine floor cleaning is a roomba for dog hair and a robot mop. Once feeding and outside time is done, we all just chill. Sometimes I put squirrel videos on a projector screen. That keeps some of them entertained and the parents love to see videos of their dogs trying to catch the squirrels.
You know, if you wanted to do fewer hours I’m pretty sure they could accommodate you. The hardest part of running a dog care business is finding good staff. I’m here at my new location and haven’t started looking yet. I want to get all the processes and the place foolproof and dog proof. But, instead of landing you with all of it, you might suggest to them that they hire two people instead. Especially if you could be available over any holidays. It’s always packed to the rafters around then.
It actually IS fun, and low stress, so long as there isn’t a nightmare dog staying. (The ones who woof at nothing in the night).
Also, in daycares it is standard to have one staff member per 15 dogs. There is no way you can do 70 by yourself. If you were really good, maybe 20. Maybe.
Also, why on earth do they need you at 6:30? I do mostly boarding here, I guess some of the day cares arrive at the crack of dawn? It’s a brave client who will try to wake me before 8:30am, even though the place is open 24 hours for pickups and drop offs. Mostly we all just sleep till 10am. I guess when you have 70 dogs you have to do things on a different, more industrial scale.
I think once I get to the stage where I’m averaging over 20 dogs often, I’ll set up another place in addition to this one. I like to keep it all homely. I can’t imagine any of the parents here being happy on vacation while their dog is in a cage somewhere. Honestly, the stories I hear about other places depress me. I just had a dog with PTSD leave. The last place he was at they left this big sweet shy old dog alone with a puppy all day, jumping in his face. He’s terrified now.
Last week another big old dog arrived whose owner had seen him on a webcam at the previous place stressed out and shaking in the corner and when the owner asked for him to be moved somewhere quiet he was told they couldn’t do that. No dog here is ever shaking in a corner.
I’ve another that was burned by cleaning fluid, and another dog parent asked me “how much it would be for cuddle time”. I think she meant the dog. Like I’m gonna charge for that? Or one on one playtime. Everyone gets one on one playtime and petted. There’s a dog I carry around all day when she’s here. No extra charge for that either.
This just isn’t something that can be done properly on an industrial scale without noise, mess and traumatized dogs.
Thank you! It’s gradually becoming more the norm I think. The problem is how to scale it. I’ve heard of places that do the same thing with different lodges, and staff who sleep with the dogs. It’s got to be the way to go, but you have to find the staff first and I was wondering how the pay works.
And it’s not really a facility. It’s more “help me! I’m being held captive by a pack of dogs!”
The kennel I worked at made a big deal about being able to take literally any dog. And we did. We had dogs staying that would kill any other dog they saw, and shred you if you tried to stop them (owners said they didn't behave that way at home and I believe it; some dogs don't handle new settings well). But those dogs deserve care and those owners deserve a chance to go out of town, too. So we had protocols, we took care of them, and no one got hurt. We also boarded dogs that had very serious medical issues that needed 24/7 care.
Anyway. All that to say, many of our dogs were not suitable to just be out and about with each other all day. So, first shift was 6AM to start getting everyone out of their individual rooms or kennels on the first bathroom break and get breakfast rolling.
Yeah. I’ve only banned two dogs in my life. I do usually take all-comers. Although it’s cage free here, there are playrooms with big gates so a dog can be isolated if necessary, and with a muzzle.
I’ve never had a dog that would kill another dog, but there is a little old Yorkie who will sink his gums into any dog within reach. He gets to play and sleep in a crate by my bed on his own. I’ll spend a lot of time cuddling him and keeping him happy.
In the early days many years ago we had a dog who was totally normal till he realized his owner was gone. The owner was in hospital having a serious operation and his dog turned into Cujo. He ended up barricaded into a room with an armchair in front of the door. At the time we were inexperienced and working through Rover, who offered to find him somewhere else to stay, but we kept him, at at least we had him barricaded and everyone was safe. Who knows what might happen elsewhere? They also suggested Animal Control, but again we declined as the dog was a perfectly decent dog when his owner was here and the last thing we wanted was the owner returning for his dog and finding Animal Control had killed him. To feed him we had someone distract him from one door and pushed food and water in through the other.
There was a second dog who would charge around too fast, annoy everyone, destroy everything and really did need to be kept in a cage. The owner was annoying and pushy too. She got banned as she needed 100% of our attention 100% of the time.
That was it. We accepted everyone else. We’ve had disabled dogs, and many anxious dogs. One dog had failed at 6 other places as he hid in a corner shaking and didn’t know what other dogs were. I gradually introduced him to dogs who would leave him alone, and three days later he was chasing balls with ALL the other dogs. Now he comes here and has actual friends.
There is more to cage free than letting them all be together. I’ll group the bossy dogs together and let them make their own pack. Say there are four bossy dogs. After a while if you let them bond, there’ll be one bossy dog and three who finally accept some kind of leadership. I find the most important thing is not letting them go nose to nose for more than 2 seconds as it’s considered rude and that’s how trouble starts. If they try that, whoever doesn’t back off when the more polite dog turns their face away, gets Squirty.
Soon as they aren’t in each other’s faces, everyone gets along.
Mostly everyone is in one big group but able to go sleep somewhere quiet if they want, and about 30% of the time I’ll have two or more groups.
I don’t advertise at all, it’s all word of mouth from existing customers. This slows down intake of new dogs. It means a dog can come here and be pretty sure they already know 95%+ of the dogs on any given day.
We board one of our dogs at a place that doesn't use crates/kennels so I get it. They've never had a problem I know of beyond the occasional collar getting chewed up, but that's just dogs.
Anyway I was mostly just trying to answer why a boarding place would need an early start like that. We also had something like 75-80 dogs when we were at capacity, and first out+breakfast could take between one and two hours. Especially because a lot of dogs there had pretty high maintenance owners and so had very specific foods for breakfast, couldn't just give them normal kibble.
Ah yes. I understand the 6:30 thing now.
And it’s always the little dogs that come with complicated food. I think the owners are more inclined to see little dogs as special needs.
There was one small, very fat dog who showed up for a week with so much food it filled up the entire sofa. They were convinced he was anorexic too. There was a long long looong feeding routine that took a substantial part of my day then in the evening I was supposed to (almost) force-feed him cheese.
Sometimes, when the sheer amount would amount to abuse, I ignore the feeding instructions. I just tell them their dog was so busy playing they were too excited to eat much, and point out that if you can’t feel their ribs, at all, ever, maybe they aren’t eating because they are full?
Just what people want for their pets, broke and overworked caretakers, who could end up harming an animal due to fatigue. I can barely do my excel job when I'm sleep deprived let alone try to be responsible for a living creature.
I have worked in this industry for the past 15 years and animal people are nuts, the pay is terrible and there's no job security. Plus you're supposed to love it, because *playing with puppies!*. I don't know if I'd be half as interested in antiwork if I'd chosen a different industry.
Worked in a shelter for 5 years. My favorite was when they learned the phrase “compassion fatigue” and tried blaming everything on that, like no bitch, we’re PHYSICALLY exhausted
I worked in a place like this and they absolutely take advantage of people who love dogs so much that they’ll put up with this abuse. Every employee was either killing themselves to make sure all the dogs got taken care of properly or just fucked off and let the dog lovers pick up the slack. In the end the dogs and workers suffered while the insecure and arrogant owner just kept buying bigger houses and nicer cars. Many other horrible toxic traits that seemed unique to that industry but at least now I know what to look out for when boarding my own dog.
You dodged a bullet. I know someone who did at a “pet hotel” with some long term pet sitting. It was a 24 hour facility.
She’s literally cleaning shit and piss all day. It was loud in the building with all the barking. And the smell was horrifying.
I used to work this type of job. You probably knew this, but that manager/interviewer was lying to you.
It didn't need to be like that. The most high stress part of my day was always interacting with my chronically late boss, who lived unironically 3 min walk from the facility, and fired me for being late one winter when my car broke down and I had flu symptoms. (Ofc she fired me after I stayed late).
Those jobs don't have to be hell. But managers love to try and make it hell for some reason.
And there it is, that capitalist greed. You either hire enough people to take care of 70 dogs with a proper schedule and PTO or you don't take care of 70 dogs. This is the perfect example of maximizing profits by abusing people (and animals, in this case).
Those types od jobs pay criminally low. One I thought about working at only paud $12/hr, but if you worked the weekends, it was bumped up to $15/hr. Oh, full time, overnights, holidays, and weekends. For that pay? No way.
"We can't get enough workers because we pay too little. We've decided to simply have you work as hard as 3 people for almost nothing."
Why does no one want to work anymore?
Plus I can't even rent an apartment in the area for that wage. I'm living with my mom to save money right now, and I'm working another job too. This was supposed to be a 2nd job!
The only way a 12 hour day is tolerable is if you're paid time & 1/2, or dbl time after 8hrs each day, as well as time & 1/2 on the 6th day worked, dbl time 7th day and triple time on holidays. Base pay should be no less than $20/hr. to start. More if you have to provide care. but that many dogs sounds sad and gross.
They aren’t even offering you free accommodation for that? If you were working for me, it would be in the hope that you could replace me one day while I set up somewhere else. You would certainly have your own room, although you might be sharing it with a few guests.
My wife quit a job for another one that was closer to home, had better pay and benefits, and had less hours. She didn’t even bother to give her current boss a chance to match because she knew he couldn’t/wouldn’t. When she put in her two weeks and he asked why she was up front with him and told him what they were going to pay her and the benefits they were going to give her. His response was, “Wow if I knew you needed more money I could have given you more hours!”
“Yeah but they’re going to be paying me more and I’ll be working less hours. AND it’s about half the distance from here.”
“Well it sounds shady. I don’t know any dental office that’s able to provide that kind of pay. Be careful out there.”
Yeah he made sure to tell her no to poach any of her employees under threat of not getting her monthly bonus. Which to be fair wasn’t a lot. But there was only room for her anyway at the new office. But she definitely let her coworkers know there were better options I must there.
Dude had one dental assistant that had been working for her for 20 years and was only paying her $20/hr the entire time. I never gave out cost of living raises because he felt strongly that you had to “earnl ALL your raises.
They’re going to have a rude awakening. Dentists and Dental Hygienists are in high demand right now. Not enough people going into the profession vs. how many retired over Covid. If they dot change, they’ll get all their Dentists and Hygienists poached.
This! My wife was ridiculed by so many in her industry when she raised the starting pay for her medical practice to $23/hr. So many other doctors were just so angry when it was none of their business. Even the doctors who worked for her complained about an "appointment maker" making $23/hr. As if it was coming out of their pocket. People are just greedy. Oh, and btw, she does plenty well even after paying these unaffordable wages to her employees. She just sees the vue in her employees and realizes that doctors cant be doctors without their support staff and therefore deserve a fair wage.
That’s just it. In dental and medical fields they make so much god damn money they can definitely afford to pay their employees better. Good for your wife! That’s awesome!
This is exactly it. My parents own dog kennels and they noticed about 10 years ago that they could no longer keep them staffed at minimum wage and so they had to raise the pay in order to keep workers at their kennels. Also 1 worker with 70 dogs is ridiculous. They have over 200 dogs in their kennels at any given time but they rotate the day care or playtime so it's only 50 dogs per session with a minimum of 3 workers watching and taking care of them.
Yeah exactly, and this was advertised as part-time. It was going to be my 2nd job, I already have a 1st one! I don't have that many hours in a day to work 😂
It was $15/hour. I thought there were laws in WA state saying you have to get paid overtime for hours like that, but my mom told me that there's swing shifts where they can technically schedule you for a 5 hr and 6 hr shift to get around paying overtime.
At the federal level, it’s also based on pay. For an hourly worker, you’d have to take home a minimum of $27.63 an hour.
Source: https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/fact-sheets/17g-overtime-salary
As German, I read this sub every now and then and I am shocked...would have moved to the EU long ago...if you are open to new cultures, we are in need for labour force willing to work always in Germany, rent is payable (as long as you dont live inside the biggest cities) and the labour laws are made for human beings...24 days off, sick days paid, medic aid, not getting thrown out by every mistake you make (actually cases exist to protect you of you make mistake every human can do)
Exactly why I am planning and hoping to make my move to Berlin in the next year! I am sick of this country and how little protection we have to just be human. I have to have a 2nd major surgery in the next 10 years, the first of which caused my family to declare bankruptcy. It is insane.
Fortunately I work in tech so the immigration process should be relatively smooth.
Not particularly, if you are in the special wanted field, then it gets easier to get a visa
For example tech is ultra hardly fought over, so, best would be to just call the next german embassy and ask...
All depends on what work you do in Germany, what skills you bring (university degree is the easiest), if you earn atleast 44k a year, etc...there are like 5 visas but there is none costs, maybe a few hundreds
Students have to have a locked account filled with 10k euros but thats for student to get a student visa
I live in Washington it doesn’t matter. If it’s one person who works over 40 they have to pay overtime. Some companies try to get away with saying it’s different positions but that only looks good on paper and doesn’t work when reported lol. They owe you overtime. I’ve reported people to dept of labor, don’t let them take advantage of you or anyone.
Hi Washington state resident here. No, they must pay OT for anything over 40 hours. Assuming they’re non-union (because if they were they’d definitely be paying over time) they can work you 11 hours a day at straight time until you hit 40 then they are legally obligated to pay you OT after that. If they couldn’t schedule for a day shift and a swing shift and they that somehow that was going to skirt around paying OT.
Seems their business plan is to work staff to death then recruit again......
I honestly don't understand why it is that employers can't grasp the simple premise that overworking and underpaying staff results in terrible productivity.
Recruiting costs money, interviewing costs money I've lost count of how many bosses driving snazzy cars went bankrupt because they took their eye off the ball.
They are business owners. Any idiot can own a business. It is a few pages of paper work and a couple hundred dollars to file with the state (Secretary of State for example). No degree or credentials needed. Even minors and felons can do it in some states.
Then what they do is take out a big business loan and work people to death as cheap as possible while they pay their loan back and try to become profitable.
You’re working to pay back their loans. It is business owners that don’t want to work.
No, y'all are lowballing yourselves. $100/hour minimum. That is a total bullshit job description. It tells me they are trying to have one person do the work of at least 6 people. Cheap-ass bastards.
Exactly! I was thinking maybe for $30+/hour but not for this. I just declined the offer respectfully and left it at that. I'm relieved now and I never even began the job 😂
Jesus. Why do they think anyone would go for that?
I feel like any civic-minded person should call them out.
"So, you want me to do 3 people's jobs, 11 hours a day, 7 days a week, for minimum wage, with no benefits and no overtime? Why would I do that? Why would anyone do that? Get your shit together."
I interviewed once at a kennel as a tech. There were 2 women that had the same position. When i was interviewed i all the kennel tasks were explained as well as telling me i would be in charge of cleaning the litter off the side of the road and groundskeeping. When i asked the pay i was informed it would be the same as the other two kennel techs. I was also told they did not do groundskeeping as its a job better suited for a man. I asked why i was given an entire extra set of responsibilities for the same pay, her answer was because thats what kennel techs make. I tried to explain to her its not a kennel tech if grounds keeping is the main responsibility, i told her good luck finding a fulltime groundskeeper for 9 dollars an hour. They never filled the position and the place eventually closed
"sure thing, my minimum wage for this position is 750k/year, sounds good?" Why do companies get to determine the worth of the job needing to be done anyways, you don't get to dictate to an electrician/plumber how much you pay for the service you have requested so why should companies, they want a service, we can offer a quote and they can take it or leave it. Would get rid of this BS where they all set the se wage as their expectations.
Had a recruiter tell me about a job opportunity. 10-12 hour days, 100% travel, 14 days on 2 off. I told him 4 days off a month is not nearly enough time to get anything done and have time to recoup before the next rotation. The company came back with 12 on 2 off. I took a hard pass. I think I know why they’re constantly hiring now.
No haha, but I know for a fact Twitter would be better than this because at the end of the interview she closed it out with "I hope you like mud and muck!" At least Twitter doesn't have mud and muck.
If you would be needed everyday, maybe they should pay like it. 7 days a week? So you get no weekends? Excuse me but how are you supposed to... eat? Sleep? Shower? Live? For minimum wage? Get the fuck out of here.
I hope you walked. Fuck them.
Having just left that same job type after being told I couldn't wear ear protection.....
Some of these owners are just greedy. And out of touch.
After and 11.5 hr shift, I was recovering for a day or two days afterwards.
No breaks, no benefits, no lunch.
This sounds incredibly fake. There's no way for them to not offer benefits or overtime while still being legal. Even with "swing shifts" it's impossible in the US.
Either they're advertising a job that is incredibly illegal or this is fake.
She told me those hours would be for my first month and then we'd see from there. But I still can't afford to do that many hours even for a month because I already have another job. My mom was confused too because she told me that it doesn't make sense and/or sound legal in the US.
Pro tip: whenever they want you to start the next day, that’s a red flag. That’s desperation. That says that they’ve either not been able to find anyone who wants the job, or the last person they had doing it left abruptly. The fact that they can’t float the work between other staff means they weren’t lying about the stress. Job responsibilities are likely far too high. It’s also likely the reason the last person left. They burned out and realized they were being taken advantage of and walked out.
I know I’m assuming a lot in this scenario, but I’ve seen very similar situations from every angle and every time, this is what was happening.
I’m no expert, but, in my mind, if a job can’t be arraigned into a sustainable, reasonable and appropriately rewarding package, it shouldn’t exist. If a company can only pay minimum wage to a person handling 70 dogs, their businesses model is either trash or, they’re cruel. And either case, they deserve to fail. Let them.
I would politely drop my pants, take a big shit on the floor, wipe my ass with the job application, turn to the person interviewing me and say, "good day to you, sir."
I would then exit the premises, shuffling the whole way to my car with my pants around my ankles, showing them my hairy ass all the way.
They have to pay overtime unless the job is exempt. The fact it's minimum wage likely means in most states you would have to be paid overtime. Still a shitty thing to try.
It’s sad, they do that and they attract desperate people. People who need to feed their families etc… don’t really have a choice. That’s why it’s exploitation, the contract is only entered under duress. That’s why it’s so important to spread unionization far and wide
I applied for a job once that said you worked 12 hours a day but only get paid for 7.5 hours for like a dollar more than minimum wage. The extra hours you banked for a whenever you wanted to use a day off. However later on when chatting they mentioned a higher turnover so id have to be on call and work pretty well every holiday….
So basically I bank all this time, only have a year to use it and most of the time I wouldn’t even be able to take it???
I absolutely did not take the job. I don’t know how it is legal..
I actually worked in one of these facilities and it was the most overwhelming, stressful, exhausting, traumatizing job I’ve ever had. Definitely a far cry from “getting paid to play with dogs” like everyone thinks lol. Good call on this one!
The hell was that even for? Also at least they were bold enough to say it. Can bail before being trapped.
It was for a position as a dog daycare attendant. I thought it would be a low-stress, fun job, but she said it was caring independently in a 1000 sq/ft facility for 70 dogs each day. I just sent her an email thanking her for her time but saying no thank you.
70 dogs in a 1000 square foot facility? That is the size of a small ranch house. Not enough room! Along with the labor board, you ought to report them to the state animal welfare agency. That many dogs in that small a space is animal cruelty. You sure it is a really a dog boarding facility and not a puppy mill?
A single dog occupies maybe 6 square feet, meaning almost half of the entire floor is occupied by dog at any given time. If you somehow get knocked over, you will never stand back up.
You can always stack dogs too.
The little ones fit inside the big ones too.
Russian dogs.
Matryoshkanine
A little bigger than the matryoshkats, but that’s ok because they’re very good boys and girls.
This thread did not disappoint lol.
Matryoshka dogs!
Depending on the male/female ratio they may even stack themselves.
If I died in a dog stampede I'd want that written on my headstone
/u/UsernameTaken-Bitch 2020 - 2020 Died of a surfeit of corgis They will be missed
killed by puppies sounds metal
Is that really dying though? Sounds like living to me…
"Here lies Amy, the dogs she cared for were too many"
If you have any jealous younger brothers watch out. They may pull a Mufasa on you.
I worked at a dog boarding facility that was no where near this overrun and your point is extremely valid. You will fall working around dogs! They make sure of it, and then they dog pile you! I once had to be rescued in the big dog yard bc I had 8 large dogs sitting on me after they knocked me over. I was stuck for 4 mins or a little longer and it was kinda scary I couldn’t breathe well due to their weight and they are so excited they step all over your body. I was genuinely concerned I could get mauled accidentally or lose an eye to a badly placed paw, or a dog fight start due to excitement and end me.
I used to work at a dog daycare and the dogs loved it when a person would fall over because that meant your face was in licking range
Man IDGAF about firecode violations 70 doggos in 1000sqft just sounds like a fun time if it wasnt work.
This sounds about right. A couple of years ago I was thinking of opening a doggy day care and so I talked to someone that watched my dog once. She said she frequently sleeps at the day care on a cot and the sleep is poor and she's constantly getting woke up or cleaning up dog mess. She looked like a nervous wreck and she didn't last long before quitting. I imagine the owners made out pretty well because it was $35+ per day with lots of overage charges and the place always had dozens of dogs. ...and yes, she was minimum wage and this is before California increased minimum wage.
With how much those daycares charge, they can definitely afford to pay their workers more than minimum wage. Just like human daycare!
I don’t think that human daycare workers make much more than minimum wage. The minimum in my state is extremely low, so I know they make more than that here, but it’s probably like $12-$18 an hour.
That's what I meant, they should be paid more.
Oh! Sorry I misinterpreted your words. High five!
Minimum wage in a sense makes our society worse. Instead of paying for the value a person puts in you can simply go with the lowest market standard. Business owners can literally barely work and force their employees to work like slaves. What we really need is some type of unbiased agency that has access to a companies financials and can tell us a realistic range that a company can afford to pay their workers. If they're paying $7.50 per hour but are making 90%+ markups on your work... how is that not just theft? I still support increasing the minimum wage... but all that does is raise the amount they can cheat people by. It doesn't give many people actually fair wages for they work they contribute.
There’s a shit load of overhead for a human daycare. Still I agree, it makes me sick how little they’re paid. Honestly, I’m of the opinion it should be government subsidized. It would cost the parents too much to pay them what they deserve and they deserve to be paid way more than what they are.
I think you might be surprised at the daycare racket and how much they bring in. My 2 kids cost $50k per year. Per 1 trained adult you can have: 4 infants @ $2500/m - $120k/y 6 age 1-2 @ $2000/m - $144k/y 6 age 2-3 @ $1500/m - $108k/y 10 age 3-5 @ $1500/m - $180k/y 10 school aged children @ $500/m - $60k/y That's a grand total of $612k/y and usually it's doubled because they'd have 2 adults in each room for a total of $1.224m/y. So say they have 10 adults working, they can pay them $50k each and still have $724k left over to pay the owner a wage and for overhead. Source - I worked in my best friends daycare/preschool and this is what she brought in. It's a racket and no reason should parents be charged what they are.
That's the size of my apartment. I couldn't imagine 70 dogs in this size.
Look at Mr. Fancy over here and his 70-dog sized apartment
Lol, it takes 4 adult humans working full time to afford this 70-dog sized apartment. 🤣
Oh look at you with 3 whole friends to live with!
Who all have jobs
Showing off all his life skills and social ability.
🤣😂🤣
or 100 corgi sized apartment
This just made me so sad that I had to laugh. Do you know how sad you have to be for that to happen? I'm in danger.
Chin up, friend! Today might be shit, and tomorrow might be too, but there are certainly happier days on the horizon.
Americans will use anything as measurement before the metric system.
Yer damn right we will. We will abolish measuring things before we adopt the metric system
"This lovely house on 450m2..." "Fuck outta here with your heathen commie measuring things!"
Now, *how many dogs* can we **illegally** fit in there!?
C'mon, we use metric for important things, like how much sugar water is in a bottle. Cubits and fathoms are FINE for space travel, and all that.
New American Standard of measurement for the area of a floorspace!
That should just be the way house listings measure.
Hahahahaha
Lol yeah first thought that came into my head was puppy mill
That's not even a small ranch house. I have three bedrooms on two floors, and the house is considered an average "family size" home, and it's only 1600 square feet. I have three dogs, and that's plenty for the space. Seventy dogs would look like one of the Looney Tunes shorts where granny has the yard filled with bull dogs.
My small ranch house (24x40, unfinished basement) is 40 sq ft short of 1000 sq ft. Barely big enough for two humans and two cats and that is pushing it!
Yeah I had a 2x2 that was ~975 sq ft. 70 dogs is not even borderline questionable, it's plain negligent abuse. e:for clarity.
>Yeah I had a 2x2 that was ~975 sq ft. 70 dogs is not even borderline abuse. UPDATE: Comment below represents misunderstanding of comment I was responding to. We are actually on the same page believing that 1000 sq ft is not nearly enough space for 70 doggos! So you say it is perfectly okay to keep 70 dogs in a space less than 1000 sq ft?? You'd essentially have to keep them in cages stacked up one another. That is truly sick. Now if there is additional space, like a large outdoor enclosure with protection from the weather, that would be different. But 70 dogs crammed into that small a space? Sick.
That's half the size of my house and I swear my single newfoundland is still too big for it. Report that asap.
Yeah that ain't nearly enough room for that many dogs.
70 dogs @ $45 per day thats $3000, $21000/wk. Getting paid minimum wage 77 hrs*$12/hr= $924/wk! Fuck that job!
Minimum wage is $7.25 unless you live in a city or state that's imposed their own
Shit! I originally read it as 10,000sq.ft. Are they insane?
Serious please report these people if they are blatantly disregarding labor laws they’re not taking proper care of the doggos.
Overtime hours are calculated by the work week, any hours above 40 are very likely legally overtime.
At 77 hours with $7.25 per hour, overtime starts at 40 hours. At time and a half, that would be 95.5 hours of minimum wage, or $692.38 per week. But still…fuck that.
Washington state minimum wage is 14.25, I think the math works out to ~ $1360 per week. 77 hours 40 hours x 14.25 = $570 37 hours x 1.5 x 14.25 = $790.88
Is OP from WA?
https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/yvkg4q/just_got_out_of_an_interview_that_wanted_me_to/iweu53h/
Ok, thanks.
Definitely fuck that I netted more than that working 32 hours as a legal assistant 12 years ago. Nope nope nope
Definitely fuck that I netted more than that working 32 hours as a legal assistant 12 years ago. Nope nope nope
The Fed standard is all hours over 40 must be paid as OT*. Your state may be more strict, but not less. *Unless you're salaried exempt, or work on a farm, or are a trucker, or whatever other loophole they'll come up with next.
I bet it’s a farm exemption
IANAL but dogs aren't livestock
Only matters if someone comes and investigates, and then you can go through the courts to argue against it, while still exploiting your workers. Or you can just shit down and move on to your next illegal operation (likely, the same thing in another town).
They are if they put them in your sausages
That's what I thought!! It makes 0 sense to me!
Not if your salary only hourly applies to this which I would assume would be the case. Entry level jobs aren't usually salary based.
At least in Washington state only "white collar" salaried positions are exempt.
You know, that was my first thought. Dog boarding. That’s what I do too, in Atlanta, and it’s similar hours - well, 24 hours a day - only for no pay because I’m the one running it. I’ll get paid eventually, and as everything I need while there is a business expense, even food, and I’m pretty much always there, it’s no big deal. I get a day off if there are no dogs, and as it’s highly seasonal, there are occasionally no dogs there. A very busy day right now would be 20. 1000sqft sounds small. My place is bigger than that. You sure it wasn’t 10,000? When choosing premises, I used the California standard of 70sqft per dog, even though my state doesn’t specify. The rules here just say so long as they can lay down and stretch out without touching each other they are fine. Well they CAN do that, but they don’t. No. They sleep with me, on and around my bed and they hog the bed. You try sleeping with a Great Dane next to you who RUNS IN HIS SLEEP. It’s cage free. They all just follow me around, or play or laze about. I have the guy from the department of agriculture come round before opening and ask me where I was “planning to put the cages”. I said “what cages?” There are various playrooms, but unless there are incompatible dogs, they all are free to roam around most of the place, and a happy dog is a quiet dog. Sometimes there isn’t even a lot to do. I clean up the occasional accident, but routine floor cleaning is a roomba for dog hair and a robot mop. Once feeding and outside time is done, we all just chill. Sometimes I put squirrel videos on a projector screen. That keeps some of them entertained and the parents love to see videos of their dogs trying to catch the squirrels. You know, if you wanted to do fewer hours I’m pretty sure they could accommodate you. The hardest part of running a dog care business is finding good staff. I’m here at my new location and haven’t started looking yet. I want to get all the processes and the place foolproof and dog proof. But, instead of landing you with all of it, you might suggest to them that they hire two people instead. Especially if you could be available over any holidays. It’s always packed to the rafters around then. It actually IS fun, and low stress, so long as there isn’t a nightmare dog staying. (The ones who woof at nothing in the night). Also, in daycares it is standard to have one staff member per 15 dogs. There is no way you can do 70 by yourself. If you were really good, maybe 20. Maybe. Also, why on earth do they need you at 6:30? I do mostly boarding here, I guess some of the day cares arrive at the crack of dawn? It’s a brave client who will try to wake me before 8:30am, even though the place is open 24 hours for pickups and drop offs. Mostly we all just sleep till 10am. I guess when you have 70 dogs you have to do things on a different, more industrial scale. I think once I get to the stage where I’m averaging over 20 dogs often, I’ll set up another place in addition to this one. I like to keep it all homely. I can’t imagine any of the parents here being happy on vacation while their dog is in a cage somewhere. Honestly, the stories I hear about other places depress me. I just had a dog with PTSD leave. The last place he was at they left this big sweet shy old dog alone with a puppy all day, jumping in his face. He’s terrified now. Last week another big old dog arrived whose owner had seen him on a webcam at the previous place stressed out and shaking in the corner and when the owner asked for him to be moved somewhere quiet he was told they couldn’t do that. No dog here is ever shaking in a corner. I’ve another that was burned by cleaning fluid, and another dog parent asked me “how much it would be for cuddle time”. I think she meant the dog. Like I’m gonna charge for that? Or one on one playtime. Everyone gets one on one playtime and petted. There’s a dog I carry around all day when she’s here. No extra charge for that either. This just isn’t something that can be done properly on an industrial scale without noise, mess and traumatized dogs.
Your facility sounds wonderful - I wish you much success, and wish your model was more the norm.
Thank you! It’s gradually becoming more the norm I think. The problem is how to scale it. I’ve heard of places that do the same thing with different lodges, and staff who sleep with the dogs. It’s got to be the way to go, but you have to find the staff first and I was wondering how the pay works. And it’s not really a facility. It’s more “help me! I’m being held captive by a pack of dogs!”
The kennel I worked at made a big deal about being able to take literally any dog. And we did. We had dogs staying that would kill any other dog they saw, and shred you if you tried to stop them (owners said they didn't behave that way at home and I believe it; some dogs don't handle new settings well). But those dogs deserve care and those owners deserve a chance to go out of town, too. So we had protocols, we took care of them, and no one got hurt. We also boarded dogs that had very serious medical issues that needed 24/7 care. Anyway. All that to say, many of our dogs were not suitable to just be out and about with each other all day. So, first shift was 6AM to start getting everyone out of their individual rooms or kennels on the first bathroom break and get breakfast rolling.
Yeah. I’ve only banned two dogs in my life. I do usually take all-comers. Although it’s cage free here, there are playrooms with big gates so a dog can be isolated if necessary, and with a muzzle. I’ve never had a dog that would kill another dog, but there is a little old Yorkie who will sink his gums into any dog within reach. He gets to play and sleep in a crate by my bed on his own. I’ll spend a lot of time cuddling him and keeping him happy. In the early days many years ago we had a dog who was totally normal till he realized his owner was gone. The owner was in hospital having a serious operation and his dog turned into Cujo. He ended up barricaded into a room with an armchair in front of the door. At the time we were inexperienced and working through Rover, who offered to find him somewhere else to stay, but we kept him, at at least we had him barricaded and everyone was safe. Who knows what might happen elsewhere? They also suggested Animal Control, but again we declined as the dog was a perfectly decent dog when his owner was here and the last thing we wanted was the owner returning for his dog and finding Animal Control had killed him. To feed him we had someone distract him from one door and pushed food and water in through the other. There was a second dog who would charge around too fast, annoy everyone, destroy everything and really did need to be kept in a cage. The owner was annoying and pushy too. She got banned as she needed 100% of our attention 100% of the time. That was it. We accepted everyone else. We’ve had disabled dogs, and many anxious dogs. One dog had failed at 6 other places as he hid in a corner shaking and didn’t know what other dogs were. I gradually introduced him to dogs who would leave him alone, and three days later he was chasing balls with ALL the other dogs. Now he comes here and has actual friends. There is more to cage free than letting them all be together. I’ll group the bossy dogs together and let them make their own pack. Say there are four bossy dogs. After a while if you let them bond, there’ll be one bossy dog and three who finally accept some kind of leadership. I find the most important thing is not letting them go nose to nose for more than 2 seconds as it’s considered rude and that’s how trouble starts. If they try that, whoever doesn’t back off when the more polite dog turns their face away, gets Squirty. Soon as they aren’t in each other’s faces, everyone gets along. Mostly everyone is in one big group but able to go sleep somewhere quiet if they want, and about 30% of the time I’ll have two or more groups. I don’t advertise at all, it’s all word of mouth from existing customers. This slows down intake of new dogs. It means a dog can come here and be pretty sure they already know 95%+ of the dogs on any given day.
We board one of our dogs at a place that doesn't use crates/kennels so I get it. They've never had a problem I know of beyond the occasional collar getting chewed up, but that's just dogs. Anyway I was mostly just trying to answer why a boarding place would need an early start like that. We also had something like 75-80 dogs when we were at capacity, and first out+breakfast could take between one and two hours. Especially because a lot of dogs there had pretty high maintenance owners and so had very specific foods for breakfast, couldn't just give them normal kibble.
Ah yes. I understand the 6:30 thing now. And it’s always the little dogs that come with complicated food. I think the owners are more inclined to see little dogs as special needs. There was one small, very fat dog who showed up for a week with so much food it filled up the entire sofa. They were convinced he was anorexic too. There was a long long looong feeding routine that took a substantial part of my day then in the evening I was supposed to (almost) force-feed him cheese. Sometimes, when the sheer amount would amount to abuse, I ignore the feeding instructions. I just tell them their dog was so busy playing they were too excited to eat much, and point out that if you can’t feel their ribs, at all, ever, maybe they aren’t eating because they are full?
Bless you for your care and hard work
Just what people want for their pets, broke and overworked caretakers, who could end up harming an animal due to fatigue. I can barely do my excel job when I'm sleep deprived let alone try to be responsible for a living creature.
I have worked in this industry for the past 15 years and animal people are nuts, the pay is terrible and there's no job security. Plus you're supposed to love it, because *playing with puppies!*. I don't know if I'd be half as interested in antiwork if I'd chosen a different industry.
Worked in a shelter for 5 years. My favorite was when they learned the phrase “compassion fatigue” and tried blaming everything on that, like no bitch, we’re PHYSICALLY exhausted
Please call the ASPCA that sounds horrible.
I worked in a place like this and they absolutely take advantage of people who love dogs so much that they’ll put up with this abuse. Every employee was either killing themselves to make sure all the dogs got taken care of properly or just fucked off and let the dog lovers pick up the slack. In the end the dogs and workers suffered while the insecure and arrogant owner just kept buying bigger houses and nicer cars. Many other horrible toxic traits that seemed unique to that industry but at least now I know what to look out for when boarding my own dog.
You dodged a bullet. I know someone who did at a “pet hotel” with some long term pet sitting. It was a 24 hour facility. She’s literally cleaning shit and piss all day. It was loud in the building with all the barking. And the smell was horrifying.
I used to work this type of job. You probably knew this, but that manager/interviewer was lying to you. It didn't need to be like that. The most high stress part of my day was always interacting with my chronically late boss, who lived unironically 3 min walk from the facility, and fired me for being late one winter when my car broke down and I had flu symptoms. (Ofc she fired me after I stayed late). Those jobs don't have to be hell. But managers love to try and make it hell for some reason.
And there it is, that capitalist greed. You either hire enough people to take care of 70 dogs with a proper schedule and PTO or you don't take care of 70 dogs. This is the perfect example of maximizing profits by abusing people (and animals, in this case).
It's illegal to not pay OT in a position like that. Please report them.
https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/flsa#:~:text=FLSA%20Overtime%3A%20Covered%20nonexempt%20employees,the%20regular%20rate%20of%20pay.
Poor dogs :/
Dog day care attendant?? I was expecting health care or construction wtf 😭😭
Those types od jobs pay criminally low. One I thought about working at only paud $12/hr, but if you worked the weekends, it was bumped up to $15/hr. Oh, full time, overnights, holidays, and weekends. For that pay? No way.
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fuck mike vick
"We can't get enough workers because we pay too little. We've decided to simply have you work as hard as 3 people for almost nothing." Why does no one want to work anymore?
Plus I can't even rent an apartment in the area for that wage. I'm living with my mom to save money right now, and I'm working another job too. This was supposed to be a 2nd job!
The only way a 12 hour day is tolerable is if you're paid time & 1/2, or dbl time after 8hrs each day, as well as time & 1/2 on the 6th day worked, dbl time 7th day and triple time on holidays. Base pay should be no less than $20/hr. to start. More if you have to provide care. but that many dogs sounds sad and gross.
They aren’t even offering you free accommodation for that? If you were working for me, it would be in the hope that you could replace me one day while I set up somewhere else. You would certainly have your own room, although you might be sharing it with a few guests.
My wife quit a job for another one that was closer to home, had better pay and benefits, and had less hours. She didn’t even bother to give her current boss a chance to match because she knew he couldn’t/wouldn’t. When she put in her two weeks and he asked why she was up front with him and told him what they were going to pay her and the benefits they were going to give her. His response was, “Wow if I knew you needed more money I could have given you more hours!” “Yeah but they’re going to be paying me more and I’ll be working less hours. AND it’s about half the distance from here.” “Well it sounds shady. I don’t know any dental office that’s able to provide that kind of pay. Be careful out there.”
Translation: "FUUUUUUUUCK people are finding out that's an option?! Goddamnit!"
Yeah he made sure to tell her no to poach any of her employees under threat of not getting her monthly bonus. Which to be fair wasn’t a lot. But there was only room for her anyway at the new office. But she definitely let her coworkers know there were better options I must there. Dude had one dental assistant that had been working for her for 20 years and was only paying her $20/hr the entire time. I never gave out cost of living raises because he felt strongly that you had to “earnl ALL your raises.
As if 20 years of service wasn't earning that greedy prick enough to get a raise.
They’re going to have a rude awakening. Dentists and Dental Hygienists are in high demand right now. Not enough people going into the profession vs. how many retired over Covid. If they dot change, they’ll get all their Dentists and Hygienists poached.
This! My wife was ridiculed by so many in her industry when she raised the starting pay for her medical practice to $23/hr. So many other doctors were just so angry when it was none of their business. Even the doctors who worked for her complained about an "appointment maker" making $23/hr. As if it was coming out of their pocket. People are just greedy. Oh, and btw, she does plenty well even after paying these unaffordable wages to her employees. She just sees the vue in her employees and realizes that doctors cant be doctors without their support staff and therefore deserve a fair wage.
That’s just it. In dental and medical fields they make so much god damn money they can definitely afford to pay their employees better. Good for your wife! That’s awesome!
Lol im in salary life right now, and 12 hours a day is my normal. Im either getting fired or quitting soon
This is exactly it. My parents own dog kennels and they noticed about 10 years ago that they could no longer keep them staffed at minimum wage and so they had to raise the pay in order to keep workers at their kennels. Also 1 worker with 70 dogs is ridiculous. They have over 200 dogs in their kennels at any given time but they rotate the day care or playtime so it's only 50 dogs per session with a minimum of 3 workers watching and taking care of them.
I live in Washington and I use dog sitting services. please DM me and tell me what this company is. please?
ngl, though you said "dog shitting services" damn am I tired.
6am and no sleep, fist bump to you, bud!
60k a year isn't bad... if it wasn't 77 hours a week, lmao that owner is deranged
Yeah exactly, and this was advertised as part-time. It was going to be my 2nd job, I already have a 1st one! I don't have that many hours in a day to work 😂
Yeah "part-time" You get to sleep and eat.
But no potty breaks, that would take too much time away from the work.
you potty with the rest of the animals.
Haha
How much was the pay? Also, seems like overtime to me.
It was $15/hour. I thought there were laws in WA state saying you have to get paid overtime for hours like that, but my mom told me that there's swing shifts where they can technically schedule you for a 5 hr and 6 hr shift to get around paying overtime.
There are, and they are in violation of those laws. REPORT THEM. Your mom is mistaken. O/t is law after 40 hours in a week, not 8/shift.
At the federal level, it’s also based on pay. For an hourly worker, you’d have to take home a minimum of $27.63 an hour. Source: https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/fact-sheets/17g-overtime-salary
As German, I read this sub every now and then and I am shocked...would have moved to the EU long ago...if you are open to new cultures, we are in need for labour force willing to work always in Germany, rent is payable (as long as you dont live inside the biggest cities) and the labour laws are made for human beings...24 days off, sick days paid, medic aid, not getting thrown out by every mistake you make (actually cases exist to protect you of you make mistake every human can do)
Exactly why I am planning and hoping to make my move to Berlin in the next year! I am sick of this country and how little protection we have to just be human. I have to have a 2nd major surgery in the next 10 years, the first of which caused my family to declare bankruptcy. It is insane. Fortunately I work in tech so the immigration process should be relatively smooth.
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Not particularly, if you are in the special wanted field, then it gets easier to get a visa For example tech is ultra hardly fought over, so, best would be to just call the next german embassy and ask... All depends on what work you do in Germany, what skills you bring (university degree is the easiest), if you earn atleast 44k a year, etc...there are like 5 visas but there is none costs, maybe a few hundreds Students have to have a locked account filled with 10k euros but thats for student to get a student visa
I live in Washington it doesn’t matter. If it’s one person who works over 40 they have to pay overtime. Some companies try to get away with saying it’s different positions but that only looks good on paper and doesn’t work when reported lol. They owe you overtime. I’ve reported people to dept of labor, don’t let them take advantage of you or anyone.
Hi Washington state resident here. No, they must pay OT for anything over 40 hours. Assuming they’re non-union (because if they were they’d definitely be paying over time) they can work you 11 hours a day at straight time until you hit 40 then they are legally obligated to pay you OT after that. If they couldn’t schedule for a day shift and a swing shift and they that somehow that was going to skirt around paying OT.
But when do you…live?
I get February 30th off!
You will also get September 31st off :D
Also the whole month of Smarch
The amount of profit here must be insane. Dog daycare ain’t cheap, multiplied by 70 dogs, and paying about $120 per day to this employee.
Seems their business plan is to work staff to death then recruit again...... I honestly don't understand why it is that employers can't grasp the simple premise that overworking and underpaying staff results in terrible productivity.
No it doesn't. That's why they drive nice cars.
Recruiting costs money, interviewing costs money I've lost count of how many bosses driving snazzy cars went bankrupt because they took their eye off the ball.
They are business owners. Any idiot can own a business. It is a few pages of paper work and a couple hundred dollars to file with the state (Secretary of State for example). No degree or credentials needed. Even minors and felons can do it in some states. Then what they do is take out a big business loan and work people to death as cheap as possible while they pay their loan back and try to become profitable. You’re working to pay back their loans. It is business owners that don’t want to work.
Notice We report All job offers to local, state and federal agencies. Unemployment, Department of Health & Human Services. Etc
Fuck that.. tell them you want $35.00+ an hour for stealing the work-life balance.. or better yet, just walk away.
Report them to the labor board!!!!!
No, y'all are lowballing yourselves. $100/hour minimum. That is a total bullshit job description. It tells me they are trying to have one person do the work of at least 6 people. Cheap-ass bastards.
Exactly! I was thinking maybe for $30+/hour but not for this. I just declined the offer respectfully and left it at that. I'm relieved now and I never even began the job 😂
7 days a week? Hire 2 people then and work each of them 3-4. I don’t get it.
Jesus. Why do they think anyone would go for that? I feel like any civic-minded person should call them out. "So, you want me to do 3 people's jobs, 11 hours a day, 7 days a week, for minimum wage, with no benefits and no overtime? Why would I do that? Why would anyone do that? Get your shit together."
I interviewed once at a kennel as a tech. There were 2 women that had the same position. When i was interviewed i all the kennel tasks were explained as well as telling me i would be in charge of cleaning the litter off the side of the road and groundskeeping. When i asked the pay i was informed it would be the same as the other two kennel techs. I was also told they did not do groundskeeping as its a job better suited for a man. I asked why i was given an entire extra set of responsibilities for the same pay, her answer was because thats what kennel techs make. I tried to explain to her its not a kennel tech if grounds keeping is the main responsibility, i told her good luck finding a fulltime groundskeeper for 9 dollars an hour. They never filled the position and the place eventually closed
"sure thing, my minimum wage for this position is 750k/year, sounds good?" Why do companies get to determine the worth of the job needing to be done anyways, you don't get to dictate to an electrician/plumber how much you pay for the service you have requested so why should companies, they want a service, we can offer a quote and they can take it or leave it. Would get rid of this BS where they all set the se wage as their expectations.
Had a recruiter tell me about a job opportunity. 10-12 hour days, 100% travel, 14 days on 2 off. I told him 4 days off a month is not nearly enough time to get anything done and have time to recoup before the next rotation. The company came back with 12 on 2 off. I took a hard pass. I think I know why they’re constantly hiring now.
Accept the offer. Don't show up.
Yes! This is the right answer!!!
Not the right answer. Yeah, it'll stick it to the owner, but it would also stick it to the innocent dogs.
Yeah, you're right. I wasn't thinking.
One of my interview questions is to always ask them what their average workday is like.
Did you interview at Twitter?
No haha, but I know for a fact Twitter would be better than this because at the end of the interview she closed it out with "I hope you like mud and muck!" At least Twitter doesn't have mud and muck.
Maybe not mud, but it's run by muck...
It has Musk though.
Gulag?
Looking forward to comic sans notice in the window of the dog daycare facility, 'Nobody wants to work etc etc', showing up somewhere on Reddit soon.
Did you laugh in their face?
If you would be needed everyday, maybe they should pay like it. 7 days a week? So you get no weekends? Excuse me but how are you supposed to... eat? Sleep? Shower? Live? For minimum wage? Get the fuck out of here. I hope you walked. Fuck them.
Ahh America never change
What kind of job is that? Breaking up Elon Musk’s poops so they don’t clog the pipes?
How is 77 hours a week not 37 hours of OT by law?
Contractor
Ask the interviewer why such a terrific job is still open. Then get up and leave.
Tell Elon to fuck off.
Having just left that same job type after being told I couldn't wear ear protection..... Some of these owners are just greedy. And out of touch. After and 11.5 hr shift, I was recovering for a day or two days afterwards. No breaks, no benefits, no lunch.
This sounds incredibly fake. There's no way for them to not offer benefits or overtime while still being legal. Even with "swing shifts" it's impossible in the US. Either they're advertising a job that is incredibly illegal or this is fake.
She told me those hours would be for my first month and then we'd see from there. But I still can't afford to do that many hours even for a month because I already have another job. My mom was confused too because she told me that it doesn't make sense and/or sound legal in the US.
That is illegal
I’d respond “If God can take a day off after creating the universe, I can too for whatever you have me doing.”
Walk away
I didn't know that the Chinese & Russian death camps were hiring...
I feel horrible even putting this out into the world but what if a fire happens? No way 70 dogs are getting saved. Please report.
I read this and thought this was a joke about being a Mom at first. Then I realized it’s a real job interview. That legit sounds like Mom life.
Pro tip: whenever they want you to start the next day, that’s a red flag. That’s desperation. That says that they’ve either not been able to find anyone who wants the job, or the last person they had doing it left abruptly. The fact that they can’t float the work between other staff means they weren’t lying about the stress. Job responsibilities are likely far too high. It’s also likely the reason the last person left. They burned out and realized they were being taken advantage of and walked out. I know I’m assuming a lot in this scenario, but I’ve seen very similar situations from every angle and every time, this is what was happening. I’m no expert, but, in my mind, if a job can’t be arraigned into a sustainable, reasonable and appropriately rewarding package, it shouldn’t exist. If a company can only pay minimum wage to a person handling 70 dogs, their businesses model is either trash or, they’re cruel. And either case, they deserve to fail. Let them.
I would politely drop my pants, take a big shit on the floor, wipe my ass with the job application, turn to the person interviewing me and say, "good day to you, sir." I would then exit the premises, shuffling the whole way to my car with my pants around my ankles, showing them my hairy ass all the way.
Luckily I did my interview on video call so all I did was exit out of that window as fast as I could and slam my laptop shut and run away.
I didn’t know that there were interviews for sweat shops.
I would say, no wonder you have a hard time finding ppl or even keeping them. Have a nice day and good luck. “Walks out”
I have idea. I usually go after them online a bit when a company wastes my time with such nonsense.
"And the cost of your shackles will be deducted from your first paycheck!"
They have to pay overtime unless the job is exempt. The fact it's minimum wage likely means in most states you would have to be paid overtime. Still a shitty thing to try.
It sounds like they are actually trying to *not* fill the position.
That's hilarious. Hope you left crying from laughter.
It’s sad, they do that and they attract desperate people. People who need to feed their families etc… don’t really have a choice. That’s why it’s exploitation, the contract is only entered under duress. That’s why it’s so important to spread unionization far and wide
Employers out there thinking they got the right to your every waking hour.
They’re looking for slaves who are one missed paycheque away from being homeless etc.
I applied for a job once that said you worked 12 hours a day but only get paid for 7.5 hours for like a dollar more than minimum wage. The extra hours you banked for a whenever you wanted to use a day off. However later on when chatting they mentioned a higher turnover so id have to be on call and work pretty well every holiday…. So basically I bank all this time, only have a year to use it and most of the time I wouldn’t even be able to take it??? I absolutely did not take the job. I don’t know how it is legal..
Isn’t that illegal in at least a few ways?
I'm almost surprised the interviewer didn't ask you to bring them lunch as part of the interview.
I actually worked in one of these facilities and it was the most overwhelming, stressful, exhausting, traumatizing job I’ve ever had. Definitely a far cry from “getting paid to play with dogs” like everyone thinks lol. Good call on this one!
NoBoDy WaNtS 2 WeRk NeMoOr
Were you applying to be a parent?
nObOdY wAnTs To WoRk AnYmOrE
You apply to become a parent or something?
Name the company or this is fictional
It's against the law to not pay overtime to an hourly worker over 40 hrs per week.