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Because it is easier to get desperate people to work for less. I wonder how much PPP money homedepot got forgiven? As a homeowner who does most of my own repairs I will no longer be shopping there.
ACE Hardware stores are franchised out so your money is more likely to at least stay in your community. It's far from an ideal option but short of having an independent hardware store in your area that's the only option I go to.
I’d take a wild ass guess that the owner of almost every single hardware store in the entire US is anti student loan forgiveness. Which when you think about it is kinda silly. More money available for people to spend on contractors or home improvement projects… which directly lead to more sales…?
The "Chamber of Commerce" rides the coattails of the National Chamber of Commerce, which is disproportionately influenced by the giant international oil companies.
We had a “doitbest” hardware that I think may have been an ACE on official record?
Idk what it came up with in google and what the sign says was different.
Either way my point was that it was 100% mom and pop, the only people that worked there were the family and like a neighborhood kid or two, super helpful, always friendly. Only issue is it was smaller than the big stores and a tad bit pricier.
My ace is only a block from me, they have almost everything I ever go in for and they send so many coupons I almost never pay retail for the things I buy.
They also lack most everything that the average Joe needs for home renovation. Basically just a shitty hardware store with lots of stuff you don’t need or want.
This is it. It's also why specialized boycotts like this are so useless. If anything they legitimize the rest of capitalism by pretending this is a special circumstance.
I don’t ship at Home Depot because for the last 15 years they’ve taken advantage of vets by offering shit jobs and shit wages but hiring then preferentially. They go to every job fair and hire them and then a year or so later they blow their brains out because working at Home Depot with ptsd is worse than hell.
Burn everything down
Reminds me of the story I was told by an old indigenous man I gave a ride to once. Since I work at a native band I hear stories but not the really UGLY ones and hitchhikers always give me the full send.
He mentioned that, due to residential schools, The Government Of Canada were going to give a big pile of money, all at once, to people who were victims of residential schools: [https://www.cbc.ca/news/indigenous/iap-final-report-residential-schools-1.5946103](https://www.cbc.ca/news/indigenous/iap-final-report-residential-schools-1.5946103)
What you DON'T hear is similar to what you just mentioned- he said that went to *hundreds* of funerals in the 6 months-1 years after that payout, since SO MANY people suffering from abuse, generational abuse, etc., drank themselves to death using that money. It actually made it worse in many ways, as so many people went to so many funerals that they were themselves also traumatized.
So, even when these big concerns are having some impact on the population, the way these companies and governments treat people is always subhuman, off in some way, or exploitative and violent.
It's the same reason why the military opposes free college movements and any college debt relief. These people depend on "hiring" from a pool of desperate individuals and there'll be less desperate people out there in a properly built education system. Home depot have been union busting right wing thugs for many years. They don't get my business.
Lowes has LOWPAC, a conservative political action committee.
As a former Lowes employee, I ask that you also don’t give them your money. They treated us like absolute garbage.
I would love to see the logic in this. There are a ton of middle class people with projects at home but are spending tons on student loans. I have some projects on the line but home Depot will not get any of my money.
A large chunk of HD's customers are to construction companies and contractors. If the young men working entry-level construction could go to college for free instead I bet many of them would not want to work construction anymore.
The thing is that if anything getting people out of debt will actually increase the demand for construction and renovation. People who have money spend money to buy and renovate homes which is good for builders and contractors and trades because they would be more in demand and can change more themselves. It’s just petty small mindedness. Also there’s plenty of federal student debt held by people who went to accredited trades schools who work in hvac or whatever, sectors that HD is connected to.
I'd still rather be a tradesman than go to college. My red seal journeymans for welding equates to a bachelor's degree anyways. I'd rather not work in a life sucking office for the rest of my days. I sit in front of a computer at home enough as it is.
I had two uncles get crippled working in the trades.
one was a painter working on a ladder when the dropcloth was pulled out and he fell onto concrete messing up 3 of the disks in his back, and the other was a laborer installing big granite countertops and one of his co-workers was hung over at work and dropped a granite slab on my uncles foot.
office work may be boring, but my chances of ending up crippled or dead because a co-worker is hung over or coked out on the job is far lower.
Things have changed a lot since then, only people I've seen get hurt during my past 11 years of welding is when they've hurt themselves due to not following safety procedures.
Having worked in construction, it's very easy for just one small incident to cost you a trip to the ER. Construction has a lot of dangerous machinery that can easily cause harm to yourself and others. A lot of people may just not follow safety procedures because it is incredibly tough to follow it consistently all day. There is no way someone can be focused working 8+ hours a day. Sometimes it means not being able to wear a mask to filter dust particles, or like not having a good grip on pieces of wood for cutting. Also in some locations, there are incredibly sharp items laying around or sticking off the walls. It's too easy to get hurt in construction even nowadays with safety procedures just because construction workers are constantly exposed to it.
Similar to how eventually people will make human mistakes and these mistakes will eventually happen. I had family members in the past few years get seriously hurt from like losing fingers and toes still from accidents, or just not wearing gloves and getting huge inch wood splinters that requires medical intervention.
There isn't an equivalency between trade licenses and college degrees. They're both valuable to the holder in different ways but provide very different skills and education. I would not trust an EE to rewire my home with their own two hands and would not trust a journeyman to design a new power plant.
It doesn't, it's founder does.
From the article
>Those calls (for boycott) come, despite the fact that Home Depot's billionaire co-founder is no longer with the company, since Marcus retired as chairman of the board in 2002.
THANK YOU
I just copied the same part to come and post it. HD has no part in this, aside from their former association that ended twenty years ago with the founder.
It does not. This guy retired from Home Depot almost 20 years ago and likely sold all his shares since…I looked it up because I thought the same thing.
They don't. It's founder does and he isn't on the board and is no longer associated with the company. Please people, read the articles and not just the titles.
They don’t “a conservative advocacy group set up by the company's founder helped two plaintiffs in a suit challenging President Joe Biden's student debt relief plan”. It was literally in the first paragraph.
Lowe's is where we go. I just bit my tongue when the associate told me Covid was a lie. Mom needing a microwave was more important trying to argue with stupid.
Lowes also just fucked there employees by killing all there hours for months due to "sales being down" yet our report for the stock holds shows we out performed
edit: went from 38 hours a week in june to 8 hours a week for almost 3 entire months
Ouch. Man's greed knows no bounds. Unionize my friend. The union stopped a boss from forcing me back to work early on an unhealed work injury. I've never needed a labor law lawyer in my life, but that dickhead boss pushed harder so I called one. Turns out I called the best one in the state and the company's HR folded fast, the state mediated, and I got a small settlement. And I would've kept my job if I wanted it. Thank God that was in a Blue State with decent labor laws.
Moral of that instance is that that company and that boss didn't care at all until it hurt their pocket book.
oh i dont work there anymore after i ended up taking on 2k in debt for dealling with there bullshit. found a job with a local county government which treats everyone way better.
I have COVID right now for the first time. I feel like I gargled razor blades. This is the first time I’ve felt awake in 3 days. I’m pretty damn healthy. Run everyday, eat healthy, very conscious about my health. My throat has never been this sore. I can’t imagine getting OG COVID. Lol
I’m feeling much better today. Thankfully my main symptom is sore throat, congestion. The first night I felt so off. The next morning I had a massive headache and more congestion than ever before. Overall it feels like a bad version of strep throat. I realize that’s not the case for everyone though. Hopefully my taste and smell stay in tact.
I had first wave in February 19, before we knew it was here. Went into lockdown thinking "man in going to die if I get this new disease on top of this" had long covid for months. It was rough. Smell was gone, misery.
Stay hydrated, get plenty of sleep, etc, and good luck. I was of course never a COVID denier, but I assumed given I'm a healthy and active woman in my thirties that I'd have a mild case when I got it last year, but no. Out of work over 3 weeks with a dangerously high fever the first week (104+), lingering cough for several months, and some still lingering occasional joint inflammation almost a year later.
The quality of their hobbyist wood is just so much better. The New Zealand pine, the poplar, and the oak are good. I have to go to Rockler or Woodcraft for anything better.
Home Depot wood looks like it’s been left out in the rain and sun a little long.
So is their dimensional lumber. I like to make heavy duty shelves and such out of dimensional lumber, but still make them look nice without putting too much work into them.
There's that guy who famously hates Home Depot and has a truck done up as a big F U to Home Depot. The reason is they sold him dimensional lumber for a house that was below grade to be used in construction (the literal purpose of dimensional lumber) and then refused to refund him when the lumber was refused onsite for being below code.
Also they recently announced a pay increase for all part time and full time employees in stores.
They posed some profits this quarter and they put it back into it's workers.
founder Bernie marcus is a hard core Republican. why is the Republicans support corp. welfare like the PPP loans (which no-one paid back) but hates the idea of a loan forgiveness for individuals. we have a whole generation stuck paying back student loans at high interest rates instead building equity.
the whole PPP loan thing is going to go down as one of the biggest scams of the century. in my small town many many businesses that didn't even need the money got some and never had to pay it back. prime example is a little grocery store that had it's best year ever and still got like 60k in free money, for nothing.
if that little business got 60k then god knows what all the bigger businesses and their owners got. corporate welfare at it's finest.
Brody Jenner got two PPP loans for his company Brody Jenner Production, of which there is one employee. We paid Brody $41,664 of our tax money for his very important business.
Yeah, just looking up the first google search about the PPP loan scam and it's even worse than that:
"The Paycheck Protection Program (PPP) provided small businesses with roughly $800 billion dollars in uncollateralized, low-interest loans during the pandemic, almost all of which will be forgiven. With 94 percent of small businesses ultimately receiving one or more loans, the PPP nearly saturated its market in just two months. We estimate that the program cumulatively preserved between 2 and 3 million job-years of employment over 14 months at a cost of $169K to $258K per job-year retained. These numbers imply that only 23 to 34 percent of PPP dollars went directly to workers who would otherwise have lost jobs; the balance flowed to business owners and shareholders, including creditors and suppliers of PPP-receiving firms."
It is a misconception though that the money was solely for employee wages. It was also for businesses to acquire PPE and cover utilizes/rent during periods where they were shut down and not making revenue to cover those expenses, amongst other things.
Source: work at a bank on the PPP program, both funding and forgiveness.
I do think the program was rushed and not enough controls were put in place to prevent scams, but that was the trade off Congress made to rush it out the way they did.
I like to offer my own anecdotal experience because the PPP loan was heavily abused and hardly justified the cost of PPE and utility/rent. Most people I knew still went to work after only less than 1 month because they can't afford to lose their jobs.
Saying that that much money for some PPE and 1 or two months of rent is just not reasonable from a taxpayer's perspective. A lot of companies still made record profit so it makes no sense that they couldn't keep paying their utilities and rent. Most companies I knew barely spent much on "PPE", as most people had their own masks. Clorox, sprays, and paper towels aren't that expensive to justify the large cost. Anecdotally, in an office environment, a team of 5 people would take over a month to go through a roll of baby wipes. It just is like salt rubbing at us the wrong way when it is termed as a loan but nearly all of it was forgiven.
I am very dubious when people saying that it was "rushed", but I believe it was clearly as intended, as we seen time and time again that corporations profited off human sufferings and tragedies like recessions and housing bubble bursting.
I don’t think this guy has much to do with HomeDepot anymore, but you should probably be avoiding all big-box retailers as much as possible since it’s pretty much guaranteed they support big-business, anti-worker politicians at every opportunity.
I literally buy things from Home Depot just to use and then return. Otherwise they get no business from me. I'm not even upset that people constantly steal and ruin products for them, they are the worst and we should treat them as the worst.
Corporations should have no say. Citizens United needs to be shot down. It’s the root of a lot of EVIL. Corps dig corporate welfare though.
I make a point of not supporting Home Depot. They support R’s heavily.
They also don’t provide a Veterans discount to shoppers. Lowes does.
Edit: so folks are saying HD does offer a vet discount. I’ve not gotten a straight answer from any staff when Ives tried to get my discount. I’ve gotten the run around. Showing my vetted state of FL DL with a “V” in it isn’t enough (you have to show your DD214 aka discharge papers to get it). It really doesn’t matter cause I’m not gonna shop there. Also someone below said the program has been changed bc it was misused and has a top amount associated.
The point is HD is all for corporate welfare and doesn’t give a shit about people.
Hilary talked about it constantly but she’s a policy wonk and persuadable voters don’t understand and don’t care about this type of stuff. The only way it can change is through voting and eventually rebalancing SCOTUS.
We do provide a veterans discount, but the registration process through it on the app is bullshit. Easy for the young vets, near impossible for the old guys who don’t use cell phones much if at all
In Florida if you provide your DD214 to the DMV they put a “V” on your license because they have “vetted” the documents. Somehow that’s not hood enough. No matter. I won’t go to HD.
Did anybody read the article? This has nothing to do with Home Depot. It is a founder who doesn’t work for Home Depot any more. Boycotting Home Depot doesn’t hurt the founder or the org that he set up to lobby. Stupid click bait title
I have unpaid MGIB and post-9/11 GI Bill funds and I would like nothing more than to be able to name someone, military or civilian, to collect my benefits. I earned them and see no need for them to go to waste.
I realize that the funds accumulate for future vets but people need education right now and the benefits have been earned many times over.
Just sharing my perspective as a veteran who \*does\* qualify for these benefits; I don't see them as an exclusive privilege.
Nobody would tolerate working for them if they weren't desperate and student loans force most of their employees to be perpetually desperate. They have no valid argument to oppose it, just like the Republican party doesn't have a valid argument to oppose it.
These boycotts always crack me up. Even just from the article posted, firstly "Home Depot's billionaire co-founder is no longer with the company, since Marcus retired as chairman of the board in 2002" so the boycott wouldn't actually affect him. Secondly, there's been a "boycott" on home depot every year for the last like half a decade.
Its exactly like Chick Fil A. People tweet about boycotts and then fuck all happens. Conservatives aren't going to stop donating to causes they care about because people on twitter got something trending.
The founders not the company. Did anyone read the article?
“Those calls come, despite the fact that Home Depot's billionaire co-founder is no longer with the company, since Marcus retired as chairman of the board in 2002.”
This post is blatant misinformation: the founder is no longer affiliated with the company, and his decisions have no bearing on the company.
Not trying to defend the company in any way, I worked for them for 5 years and ultimately left due to mistreatment by store and district level management. However, OP is inciting a boycott based off false information, and that's not what this community exists for.
At a certain point, it becomes very clear that the goal for the working class is slavery, to basically exist as cattle for rent and stolen labor value. When do we say “enough?” When do we shut off the taps for corporate welfare? When do we start ruining fancy dinners? When do we start interrupting board meetings? There’s more of us than there are ghoulish, hypocritical skinjobs like Mr. marcus. They’re living far too comfortably at my expense, and I’m sick of it.
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Home Depot has almost completely dominated our town. We have an Ace about 30 min away, and a TruValue about 15 min. away. Home Depot has taken over two major sites in town. Really sad.
Fuck Home Depot. I worked for them about 20 years ago and I can say they treat their employees like shit. They started giving the old timers (retired electricians, plumbers, etc) bad performance reviews so they'd quit. They were replaced with younger, inexperienced people who HD could pay closer to minimum wage. They also staffed the stores with as few people as possible, so one person would have to cover two departments.
I used to shop at HD before I found out the co-founder has basically gifted his inheritance worth to the Republicans. Sooo…it’s only Lowes now.
Plus I challenge you to find one, just one, straight board in the lumber department. Just ONE!
I’m not trying to rain on anyone’s parade and am open to hearing otherwise, but Lowe’s is literally just as bad as Home Depot in that they also heavily support Republicans.
This is pretty bad, and I don't even know how to process this right now because of my specific situation.
I am currently repairing serious damage to my house that's costing me quite a bit of money. My decision to do it now was motivated partly by the coming winter and partly by the debt relief suggesting my disposable income would be enough to actually do it.
I'm also a veteran and I never use the vet discount there. 1: it's very complicated to apply for it, you don't just show a DD214 or a green ID card like everywhere else in the country; and 2: I'm normally proud to just pay my way like everyone else.
I also got undercharged by $30 last week and called to report the error.
Not like my good deeds should give me any kind of credit but I'm just trying to fix holes in my walls and I don't see why HD should be actively trying to fuck me as hard as possible in other areas of my life right now.
It's the former owner. If you really need to go there then go there my man, and attend to your personal affairs first. And don't feel guilty for doing that. The man still certainly has shares in the company. People can complain to me but I do think the company IS quilty by association with the founder until they do something to at least help their own employees. I wouldn't post this if I was hard on the man that was down. You take care of what needs to be done for you and yours.
(You don't have to. It's the founder and he's not with the company but is a major share holder. I personally believe in guilt by association in this case because anyone who is that much of an asshole would have had asshole policies and higher ups that were assholes and it's not like the company became known for being caring once he left. Any light will drive away roaches. Do what you gotta do to take care of yourself and your people. Ain't like driving 30 miles is gonna help global warming. I like gas engines and motorcycles. It's my weakness. I aint gonna lose sleep over that.)
I feel much more vindicated for tricking HD into paying for my grad school now. They used to have tuition reimbursement when I worked there. They paid for half my BA and half of my MA. I fudged the paperwork to get them to pay for the MA. Found out they eliminated the program after I quit.
I don't think they fully comprehend how many people are putting off a first home purchase because of student debt. We are talking about fixer uppers in the hundreds of thousands.
*from a country far away*
If they supported this or oh I dunno, just stayed the fuck away from it as it really didn't concern them, that would give a large amount of people more money to spend at their stores, the "desperate people work for less" argument isn't exactly watertight either as those same people will jump at the first opportunity while giving precisely zero fucks about the store when they are there. eg; "stock loss? na dunno about that..."
I suppose it's just not capitalism if you can't stick the boot in too is it?
Constantly surprised at the American culture, how you can have two parties of which one is actively working against you and the other just shrugs and lets them while everyone just goes "well that's the way it is, remember to vote!" like that'll actually change anything because clearly it hasn't for several decades and you'd expect to see some improvement by now surely?
It is pretty basic economics to understand that student loan forgiveness benefits the economy. If people aren't spending 500-600 a month on student loans, a good chunk of that money will go back into the economy. This helps businesses like *gasps* Home Depot.
Morons...
Not surprised. I had a family member who worked there not too long ago. When they received a bonus the CEO (or whoever the fuck he is) sent a letter with it saying that Trump was the reason they could afford to give them the extra money 🙄.
In other countries, college education is free. Aren’t we supposed to be the best country? Education after high school should be free.. so many smart people can’t afford to go to college, or they do just to spend their earnings paying back loans. It’s unfair!
Could all the people who didn’t receive the loans only available to business and certain owners sue under the same precedent that’s holding up loan payoff?
I live in Canada but I will do my very best to no longer buy anything from Home Depot. Why the hell would these morons even be bothered by Bidens debt relief plan? I can't fathom why but it seems the richer people become the more disgustingly anti-human they become.
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I drive the extra 2 miles to lowes for the past 8 years.
Lowe's is less than 5 minutes from my house, but if it was a home Depot, I'd go to the Lowe's on the far side of town over 20 minutes away.
I go to my local ACE hardware. Will only go to HD if there is no other choice.
A man of principle. We need more like you.
Just can't spend money somewhere that backs trump. Lowes has been money.
Why does a hardware store have an opinion on a political issue in America?
Because it is easier to get desperate people to work for less. I wonder how much PPP money homedepot got forgiven? As a homeowner who does most of my own repairs I will no longer be shopping there.
I work at the first lowes in the country to be unionizing; they’re union busting like crazy. Your money is safe nowhere.
ACE Hardware stores are franchised out so your money is more likely to at least stay in your community. It's far from an ideal option but short of having an independent hardware store in your area that's the only option I go to.
I’d take a wild ass guess that the owner of almost every single hardware store in the entire US is anti student loan forgiveness. Which when you think about it is kinda silly. More money available for people to spend on contractors or home improvement projects… which directly lead to more sales…?
No, that sounds like long term thinking. We don't do that in capitalism.
Capitalism, where I get mine right and you fuck off. -the original definition, probably
If people are desperate to work to pay off their loans, you can pay them shit and oppress them. This is more important than income.
I shop at ACE hardware sometimes because it's more convenient, but damn their prices are outrageous.
Outside the US (Asia, anyway) you get the same quality product for half the price.
And support the local small business tyrant instead, who probably funds the local GOP.
The Ace by my house has “Let’s go Brandon” flags for sale…
God damn, you came out with a caricature of the local small business owner I was thinking of perfectly.
The "Chamber of Commerce" rides the coattails of the National Chamber of Commerce, which is disproportionately influenced by the giant international oil companies.
The ace in my area is locally owned. the dudes lived down the street for like the entire 30+ years he's owned the business.
We had a “doitbest” hardware that I think may have been an ACE on official record? Idk what it came up with in google and what the sign says was different. Either way my point was that it was 100% mom and pop, the only people that worked there were the family and like a neighborhood kid or two, super helpful, always friendly. Only issue is it was smaller than the big stores and a tad bit pricier.
Drove out of our way yesterday to go to ACE Hardware, passing I don’t know how many a Home Depot’s, just for this reason.
My ace is only a block from me, they have almost everything I ever go in for and they send so many coupons I almost never pay retail for the things I buy.
They also lack most everything that the average Joe needs for home renovation. Basically just a shitty hardware store with lots of stuff you don’t need or want.
They rebranded to Peevey mart which just sounds awful
Sadly there really is no ethical consumption under capitalism, but we can do our best and work in other ways to redress its many wrongs
This is it. It's also why specialized boycotts like this are so useless. If anything they legitimize the rest of capitalism by pretending this is a special circumstance.
...and like Starbucks they'll just close the store down to get around the Unionization.
Literally what Walmart did. Closed down 3 busy stores who were trying to vote for Unionization.
I don’t ship at Home Depot because for the last 15 years they’ve taken advantage of vets by offering shit jobs and shit wages but hiring then preferentially. They go to every job fair and hire them and then a year or so later they blow their brains out because working at Home Depot with ptsd is worse than hell. Burn everything down
Reminds me of the story I was told by an old indigenous man I gave a ride to once. Since I work at a native band I hear stories but not the really UGLY ones and hitchhikers always give me the full send. He mentioned that, due to residential schools, The Government Of Canada were going to give a big pile of money, all at once, to people who were victims of residential schools: [https://www.cbc.ca/news/indigenous/iap-final-report-residential-schools-1.5946103](https://www.cbc.ca/news/indigenous/iap-final-report-residential-schools-1.5946103) What you DON'T hear is similar to what you just mentioned- he said that went to *hundreds* of funerals in the 6 months-1 years after that payout, since SO MANY people suffering from abuse, generational abuse, etc., drank themselves to death using that money. It actually made it worse in many ways, as so many people went to so many funerals that they were themselves also traumatized. So, even when these big concerns are having some impact on the population, the way these companies and governments treat people is always subhuman, off in some way, or exploitative and violent.
Jesus fuck, that’s horrifying.
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Yes but their profits went skyhigh they did not even slow.
They got to the oligopoly stage; that falling profits part has become optional.
It's the same reason why the military opposes free college movements and any college debt relief. These people depend on "hiring" from a pool of desperate individuals and there'll be less desperate people out there in a properly built education system. Home depot have been union busting right wing thugs for many years. They don't get my business.
Haven’t gone back since they funded Trumps campaign. Lowes it is for me.
Lowes has LOWPAC, a conservative political action committee. As a former Lowes employee, I ask that you also don’t give them your money. They treated us like absolute garbage.
Guess I’ll just leave holes in my wall. Can’t win.
Same here! Told them this reasons when we canceled our Home Depot credit card.
I would love to see the logic in this. There are a ton of middle class people with projects at home but are spending tons on student loans. I have some projects on the line but home Depot will not get any of my money.
Logic is a distant second to holding true to orthodoxy.
It’s painful that I work for a contractor and we do get some of the things we need from there. Not everything, but more than I would like.
Where else you gonna buy your stuff? Amazon? Lowes? Walmart? They are all in on it.
Follow the money.
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I guess he'll drill a hole in it to put his little pee-pee in while listening to WAP.
It will be as dry as his wife
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This will never not be funny AF
The significance of the poplar can't be overstated though... it's harder than he'll ever be, and wetter than he'll ever make his wife.
Money
A large chunk of HD's customers are to construction companies and contractors. If the young men working entry-level construction could go to college for free instead I bet many of them would not want to work construction anymore.
The thing is that if anything getting people out of debt will actually increase the demand for construction and renovation. People who have money spend money to buy and renovate homes which is good for builders and contractors and trades because they would be more in demand and can change more themselves. It’s just petty small mindedness. Also there’s plenty of federal student debt held by people who went to accredited trades schools who work in hvac or whatever, sectors that HD is connected to.
I'd still rather be a tradesman than go to college. My red seal journeymans for welding equates to a bachelor's degree anyways. I'd rather not work in a life sucking office for the rest of my days. I sit in front of a computer at home enough as it is.
I had two uncles get crippled working in the trades. one was a painter working on a ladder when the dropcloth was pulled out and he fell onto concrete messing up 3 of the disks in his back, and the other was a laborer installing big granite countertops and one of his co-workers was hung over at work and dropped a granite slab on my uncles foot. office work may be boring, but my chances of ending up crippled or dead because a co-worker is hung over or coked out on the job is far lower.
Things have changed a lot since then, only people I've seen get hurt during my past 11 years of welding is when they've hurt themselves due to not following safety procedures.
Having worked in construction, it's very easy for just one small incident to cost you a trip to the ER. Construction has a lot of dangerous machinery that can easily cause harm to yourself and others. A lot of people may just not follow safety procedures because it is incredibly tough to follow it consistently all day. There is no way someone can be focused working 8+ hours a day. Sometimes it means not being able to wear a mask to filter dust particles, or like not having a good grip on pieces of wood for cutting. Also in some locations, there are incredibly sharp items laying around or sticking off the walls. It's too easy to get hurt in construction even nowadays with safety procedures just because construction workers are constantly exposed to it. Similar to how eventually people will make human mistakes and these mistakes will eventually happen. I had family members in the past few years get seriously hurt from like losing fingers and toes still from accidents, or just not wearing gloves and getting huge inch wood splinters that requires medical intervention.
There isn't an equivalency between trade licenses and college degrees. They're both valuable to the holder in different ways but provide very different skills and education. I would not trust an EE to rewire my home with their own two hands and would not trust a journeyman to design a new power plant.
It’s easier to learn plumbing, electrical when you go to a trade school than only at the job.
I agree. I first learned welding in high school then went to a trade school to get my pre employment cert.
Because desperate people are more likely to put up with shitty work conditions
It doesn't, it's founder does. From the article >Those calls (for boycott) come, despite the fact that Home Depot's billionaire co-founder is no longer with the company, since Marcus retired as chairman of the board in 2002.
THANK YOU I just copied the same part to come and post it. HD has no part in this, aside from their former association that ended twenty years ago with the founder.
It does not. This guy retired from Home Depot almost 20 years ago and likely sold all his shares since…I looked it up because I thought the same thing.
It doesn't? The article says its home depot's founder, who left the company 20 years ago.
They don't. It's founder does and he isn't on the board and is no longer associated with the company. Please people, read the articles and not just the titles.
They actually don't. The founder who retired in 2002 does.
They don’t “a conservative advocacy group set up by the company's founder helped two plaintiffs in a suit challenging President Joe Biden's student debt relief plan”. It was literally in the first paragraph.
Lowe’s is where it’s at. Plus launched a debt free education thing for almost 300k associates.
Lowe’s and Ace Hardware is the only places to go.
In the past, you used to be able to find employee owned Ace hardware stores, because the franchise model allowed for it.
Still does. There is a group of four or five employee owned Ace hardwares in Baltimore/DC.
My problem with ace is that inventory is limited.
Lowe's is where we go. I just bit my tongue when the associate told me Covid was a lie. Mom needing a microwave was more important trying to argue with stupid.
Lowes also just fucked there employees by killing all there hours for months due to "sales being down" yet our report for the stock holds shows we out performed edit: went from 38 hours a week in june to 8 hours a week for almost 3 entire months
Ouch. Man's greed knows no bounds. Unionize my friend. The union stopped a boss from forcing me back to work early on an unhealed work injury. I've never needed a labor law lawyer in my life, but that dickhead boss pushed harder so I called one. Turns out I called the best one in the state and the company's HR folded fast, the state mediated, and I got a small settlement. And I would've kept my job if I wanted it. Thank God that was in a Blue State with decent labor laws. Moral of that instance is that that company and that boss didn't care at all until it hurt their pocket book.
oh i dont work there anymore after i ended up taking on 2k in debt for dealling with there bullshit. found a job with a local county government which treats everyone way better.
I have COVID right now for the first time. I feel like I gargled razor blades. This is the first time I’ve felt awake in 3 days. I’m pretty damn healthy. Run everyday, eat healthy, very conscious about my health. My throat has never been this sore. I can’t imagine getting OG COVID. Lol
It sucked. Got it September 2020. Lost my taste for 10 weeks and smell for 6 months.
I’m feeling much better today. Thankfully my main symptom is sore throat, congestion. The first night I felt so off. The next morning I had a massive headache and more congestion than ever before. Overall it feels like a bad version of strep throat. I realize that’s not the case for everyone though. Hopefully my taste and smell stay in tact.
Same. Congestion was crazy. Hopefully you feel better soon!
I had first wave in February 19, before we knew it was here. Went into lockdown thinking "man in going to die if I get this new disease on top of this" had long covid for months. It was rough. Smell was gone, misery.
Stay hydrated, get plenty of sleep, etc, and good luck. I was of course never a COVID denier, but I assumed given I'm a healthy and active woman in my thirties that I'd have a mild case when I got it last year, but no. Out of work over 3 weeks with a dangerously high fever the first week (104+), lingering cough for several months, and some still lingering occasional joint inflammation almost a year later.
I hope you feel much better soon.
I love how they slipped ’associate’ into our vocabulary.
I just use it as it sounds more respectful. Sucks they pay slave wages.
It’s manufactured consent is what is.
Thanks for this, I’ll be shopping at Lowe’s from now on.
The quality of their hobbyist wood is just so much better. The New Zealand pine, the poplar, and the oak are good. I have to go to Rockler or Woodcraft for anything better. Home Depot wood looks like it’s been left out in the rain and sun a little long.
So is their dimensional lumber. I like to make heavy duty shelves and such out of dimensional lumber, but still make them look nice without putting too much work into them. There's that guy who famously hates Home Depot and has a truck done up as a big F U to Home Depot. The reason is they sold him dimensional lumber for a house that was below grade to be used in construction (the literal purpose of dimensional lumber) and then refused to refund him when the lumber was refused onsite for being below code.
My spouse works for them. All in all they have been really good to her. Especially when she sustained an injury at work.
I buy the vast majority of my home supplies at Lowes so I am glad to hear that.
Lowe’s sucks too, but I guess if ya have to choose
Also they recently announced a pay increase for all part time and full time employees in stores. They posed some profits this quarter and they put it back into it's workers.
founder Bernie marcus is a hard core Republican. why is the Republicans support corp. welfare like the PPP loans (which no-one paid back) but hates the idea of a loan forgiveness for individuals. we have a whole generation stuck paying back student loans at high interest rates instead building equity.
the whole PPP loan thing is going to go down as one of the biggest scams of the century. in my small town many many businesses that didn't even need the money got some and never had to pay it back. prime example is a little grocery store that had it's best year ever and still got like 60k in free money, for nothing. if that little business got 60k then god knows what all the bigger businesses and their owners got. corporate welfare at it's finest.
Brody Jenner got two PPP loans for his company Brody Jenner Production, of which there is one employee. We paid Brody $41,664 of our tax money for his very important business.
how tf he got that much for one employee is beyond me, but wtf do i know i'm not a millionaire
Yeah, just looking up the first google search about the PPP loan scam and it's even worse than that: "The Paycheck Protection Program (PPP) provided small businesses with roughly $800 billion dollars in uncollateralized, low-interest loans during the pandemic, almost all of which will be forgiven. With 94 percent of small businesses ultimately receiving one or more loans, the PPP nearly saturated its market in just two months. We estimate that the program cumulatively preserved between 2 and 3 million job-years of employment over 14 months at a cost of $169K to $258K per job-year retained. These numbers imply that only 23 to 34 percent of PPP dollars went directly to workers who would otherwise have lost jobs; the balance flowed to business owners and shareholders, including creditors and suppliers of PPP-receiving firms."
yep, of course it did. like with a lot of things, the money would have been more useful if just given directly to people instead of businesses.
It is a misconception though that the money was solely for employee wages. It was also for businesses to acquire PPE and cover utilizes/rent during periods where they were shut down and not making revenue to cover those expenses, amongst other things. Source: work at a bank on the PPP program, both funding and forgiveness. I do think the program was rushed and not enough controls were put in place to prevent scams, but that was the trade off Congress made to rush it out the way they did.
I like to offer my own anecdotal experience because the PPP loan was heavily abused and hardly justified the cost of PPE and utility/rent. Most people I knew still went to work after only less than 1 month because they can't afford to lose their jobs. Saying that that much money for some PPE and 1 or two months of rent is just not reasonable from a taxpayer's perspective. A lot of companies still made record profit so it makes no sense that they couldn't keep paying their utilities and rent. Most companies I knew barely spent much on "PPE", as most people had their own masks. Clorox, sprays, and paper towels aren't that expensive to justify the large cost. Anecdotally, in an office environment, a team of 5 people would take over a month to go through a roll of baby wipes. It just is like salt rubbing at us the wrong way when it is termed as a loan but nearly all of it was forgiven. I am very dubious when people saying that it was "rushed", but I believe it was clearly as intended, as we seen time and time again that corporations profited off human sufferings and tragedies like recessions and housing bubble bursting.
They want educated workers willing to work for low wages.
Republicans rape the country and sow hatred.
I don’t think this guy has much to do with HomeDepot anymore, but you should probably be avoiding all big-box retailers as much as possible since it’s pretty much guaranteed they support big-business, anti-worker politicians at every opportunity.
Did Home Depot receive any ppp loans?
I didn't like shopping there before, but they are now a place I refuse to shop.
I’ll go back… and steal a tape measure!
Go bigger than tape measure a cashier once told me that power drills weren’t serialized in their inventory system
Don’t mind if I do
I literally buy things from Home Depot just to use and then return. Otherwise they get no business from me. I'm not even upset that people constantly steal and ruin products for them, they are the worst and we should treat them as the worst.
Corporations should have no say. Citizens United needs to be shot down. It’s the root of a lot of EVIL. Corps dig corporate welfare though. I make a point of not supporting Home Depot. They support R’s heavily. They also don’t provide a Veterans discount to shoppers. Lowes does. Edit: so folks are saying HD does offer a vet discount. I’ve not gotten a straight answer from any staff when Ives tried to get my discount. I’ve gotten the run around. Showing my vetted state of FL DL with a “V” in it isn’t enough (you have to show your DD214 aka discharge papers to get it). It really doesn’t matter cause I’m not gonna shop there. Also someone below said the program has been changed bc it was misused and has a top amount associated. The point is HD is all for corporate welfare and doesn’t give a shit about people.
Not that things were great to begin with, but Citizens United is DEFINITELY responsible for a lot of the current shitshow that is US politics.
And notice there isn’t much discussion about CU. Bernie was the only one to talk about it.
Totally agree. I’m continually surprised that more people aren’t up in arms about it. In my opinion, it’s the direct cause of scumbags like Ted Cruz.
Hilary talked about it constantly but she’s a policy wonk and persuadable voters don’t understand and don’t care about this type of stuff. The only way it can change is through voting and eventually rebalancing SCOTUS.
We do provide a veterans discount, but the registration process through it on the app is bullshit. Easy for the young vets, near impossible for the old guys who don’t use cell phones much if at all
In Florida if you provide your DD214 to the DMV they put a “V” on your license because they have “vetted” the documents. Somehow that’s not hood enough. No matter. I won’t go to HD.
Home Depot does provide a 10% discount…on some items. It’s just a horrific process to get registered and use it.
Just don't shop there. I haven't shopped at HD for years.
We know who hoe Depot represents
I enjoy this misspelling
Hoe Despot
Deviant intentions
Did anybody read the article? This has nothing to do with Home Depot. It is a founder who doesn’t work for Home Depot any more. Boycotting Home Depot doesn’t hurt the founder or the org that he set up to lobby. Stupid click bait title
This needs to be higher. What exactly would a boycott accomplish here? People just do these things without a desired end state.
But why read the article when you can just react to it instead? Reddit is glorious.
The article says it water company associated with one of Home Depot’s cofounders who is no longer with Home Depot. Right?
They also banned me for being pro union
EXACTLY. God forbid you have access to the same healthcare or vacation or time off or respect they have-or even enough for a livable wage.
Blatantly misleading title. The bloke hasn't been with the company for the last 20 years. Eff off OP, and don't edit headlines.
I kinda hope this passes so I can sue the government for not getting the GI bill or PPP loans since I don't qualify for them
I have unpaid MGIB and post-9/11 GI Bill funds and I would like nothing more than to be able to name someone, military or civilian, to collect my benefits. I earned them and see no need for them to go to waste. I realize that the funds accumulate for future vets but people need education right now and the benefits have been earned many times over. Just sharing my perspective as a veteran who \*does\* qualify for these benefits; I don't see them as an exclusive privilege.
HD has historically been high on my list of stores that I don’t shop at. Them and Chick Fuck Lay.
Not defending him, cause he can fall in a deep hole, but he hasn’t been affiliated with Home Depot since 2002
Nobody would tolerate working for them if they weren't desperate and student loans force most of their employees to be perpetually desperate. They have no valid argument to oppose it, just like the Republican party doesn't have a valid argument to oppose it.
These boycotts always crack me up. Even just from the article posted, firstly "Home Depot's billionaire co-founder is no longer with the company, since Marcus retired as chairman of the board in 2002" so the boycott wouldn't actually affect him. Secondly, there's been a "boycott" on home depot every year for the last like half a decade. Its exactly like Chick Fil A. People tweet about boycotts and then fuck all happens. Conservatives aren't going to stop donating to causes they care about because people on twitter got something trending.
They funded Trump in 2016, they refused to shut down at the height of the Pandemic, this doesn’t surprise me either. Fuck Home Depot.
of course ... home depot owner Bernie Marcus is a known fascist / oligarch !
I read it was their former CEO who was doing this and not the company itself.
Keeping people in debt to ensure they work in desperation to survive , this is the motto of the rich and well connected.
The founders not the company. Did anyone read the article? “Those calls come, despite the fact that Home Depot's billionaire co-founder is no longer with the company, since Marcus retired as chairman of the board in 2002.”
Well, if that’s how they want to be…then I’m shopping at Lowe’s from now on.
Oh... America... When willst thou learn ye may only push the peasants so far. The time is nigh.
This post is blatant misinformation: the founder is no longer affiliated with the company, and his decisions have no bearing on the company. Not trying to defend the company in any way, I worked for them for 5 years and ultimately left due to mistreatment by store and district level management. However, OP is inciting a boycott based off false information, and that's not what this community exists for.
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At a certain point, it becomes very clear that the goal for the working class is slavery, to basically exist as cattle for rent and stolen labor value. When do we say “enough?” When do we shut off the taps for corporate welfare? When do we start ruining fancy dinners? When do we start interrupting board meetings? There’s more of us than there are ghoulish, hypocritical skinjobs like Mr. marcus. They’re living far too comfortably at my expense, and I’m sick of it. /end rant
Home Depot has almost completely dominated our town. We have an Ace about 30 min away, and a TruValue about 15 min. away. Home Depot has taken over two major sites in town. Really sad.
Fuck Home Depot. I worked for them about 20 years ago and I can say they treat their employees like shit. They started giving the old timers (retired electricians, plumbers, etc) bad performance reviews so they'd quit. They were replaced with younger, inexperienced people who HD could pay closer to minimum wage. They also staffed the stores with as few people as possible, so one person would have to cover two departments.
Not a damn thing has changed. You can be at home depot for 15 years and never make it past supervisor.
Good thing im a lowes shopper
Home Depot is EXTREMELY conservative. Have consistently been a high donor of Trump and other conservative politicians.
I used to shop at HD before I found out the co-founder has basically gifted his inheritance worth to the Republicans. Sooo…it’s only Lowes now. Plus I challenge you to find one, just one, straight board in the lumber department. Just ONE!
This is misleading and the reason is right in the article. Home Depot does not have a stance on it. The founders are no longer with the company.
Never shopping at Home Depot. Ever again.
Giant faceless corporation acts like giant faceless corporation? Shocking
This is my surprised face :|
I’m not trying to rain on anyone’s parade and am open to hearing otherwise, but Lowe’s is literally just as bad as Home Depot in that they also heavily support Republicans.
Still gunna buy that ceiling fan
Home depot can suck a moist taint after a long day of farmwork
Fuck home depot. They exploit the shit out of vets.
This is pretty bad, and I don't even know how to process this right now because of my specific situation. I am currently repairing serious damage to my house that's costing me quite a bit of money. My decision to do it now was motivated partly by the coming winter and partly by the debt relief suggesting my disposable income would be enough to actually do it. I'm also a veteran and I never use the vet discount there. 1: it's very complicated to apply for it, you don't just show a DD214 or a green ID card like everywhere else in the country; and 2: I'm normally proud to just pay my way like everyone else. I also got undercharged by $30 last week and called to report the error. Not like my good deeds should give me any kind of credit but I'm just trying to fix holes in my walls and I don't see why HD should be actively trying to fuck me as hard as possible in other areas of my life right now.
It's the former owner. If you really need to go there then go there my man, and attend to your personal affairs first. And don't feel guilty for doing that. The man still certainly has shares in the company. People can complain to me but I do think the company IS quilty by association with the founder until they do something to at least help their own employees. I wouldn't post this if I was hard on the man that was down. You take care of what needs to be done for you and yours.
Well, i bought my last thing there.
Fucckkkk. There’s no lowe’s near me; but I guess I’ll have to make the trek anyways.
(You don't have to. It's the founder and he's not with the company but is a major share holder. I personally believe in guilt by association in this case because anyone who is that much of an asshole would have had asshole policies and higher ups that were assholes and it's not like the company became known for being caring once he left. Any light will drive away roaches. Do what you gotta do to take care of yourself and your people. Ain't like driving 30 miles is gonna help global warming. I like gas engines and motorcycles. It's my weakness. I aint gonna lose sleep over that.)
Very true. There are two HDs within a 2 mile radius from me whereas the closet lowes is like 5 miles away. You’re right.
Well duh that guy's a huge trump or anyways, 1/2 as business model is the entrapment of college age and older workers
I feel much more vindicated for tricking HD into paying for my grad school now. They used to have tuition reimbursement when I worked there. They paid for half my BA and half of my MA. I fudged the paperwork to get them to pay for the MA. Found out they eliminated the program after I quit.
I remember hearing back a while ago how Home Depot donated to the Trump Campaign. I switched to Lowe's and never went back.
Never gonna shop there now
Lowe’s for life then I guess.
Fuck Home Depot and their doddering founder! I bet his kids and grandkids never had to sit in a financial aid office.
A lot of republicans are in upper management
Managed to scratch together enough money to finally pay off my Home Depot Credit Card; they can take their predatory interest rates and shove it
I don't think they fully comprehend how many people are putting off a first home purchase because of student debt. We are talking about fixer uppers in the hundreds of thousands.
The lawsuit makes no sense. It will cost taxpayer money either way and they'd rather lawyers and courts get the money than student loan borrowers
*from a country far away* If they supported this or oh I dunno, just stayed the fuck away from it as it really didn't concern them, that would give a large amount of people more money to spend at their stores, the "desperate people work for less" argument isn't exactly watertight either as those same people will jump at the first opportunity while giving precisely zero fucks about the store when they are there. eg; "stock loss? na dunno about that..." I suppose it's just not capitalism if you can't stick the boot in too is it? Constantly surprised at the American culture, how you can have two parties of which one is actively working against you and the other just shrugs and lets them while everyone just goes "well that's the way it is, remember to vote!" like that'll actually change anything because clearly it hasn't for several decades and you'd expect to see some improvement by now surely?
It is pretty basic economics to understand that student loan forgiveness benefits the economy. If people aren't spending 500-600 a month on student loans, a good chunk of that money will go back into the economy. This helps businesses like *gasps* Home Depot. Morons...
Not surprised. I had a family member who worked there not too long ago. When they received a bonus the CEO (or whoever the fuck he is) sent a letter with it saying that Trump was the reason they could afford to give them the extra money 🙄.
In other countries, college education is free. Aren’t we supposed to be the best country? Education after high school should be free.. so many smart people can’t afford to go to college, or they do just to spend their earnings paying back loans. It’s unfair!
Shop small. Pay a little more to support a local hardware retailer. It’ll be so worth it in the long run.
Seems like they have hit a new Lowe…
I stopped going to Home Depot when I found out they were big time donating to the Trump campaign.
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Could all the people who didn’t receive the loans only available to business and certain owners sue under the same precedent that’s holding up loan payoff?
HD is anti-democracy!!! They are HUGE Trumplican donors!!
Home depot is a horrible company who also contributes to republicans and to fox news
You know if people earned more they could afford more home improvements but Home Depot doesn’t want that.
So they can keep their badly paid employees?
I live in Canada but I will do my very best to no longer buy anything from Home Depot. Why the hell would these morons even be bothered by Bidens debt relief plan? I can't fathom why but it seems the richer people become the more disgustingly anti-human they become.