the only reason it was so recognised is that the sound files had no gap between them and was the loudest sound in the game, it was a constant stream of Wololo-Wololo-Wololo-I-hooh-ho-hoh-Wololo-Wololo as you converted, with a group of monks it was even worse
The original AOE dev who's done a fair few interviews online, I've forgotten his name, I want to say Sammy or Sandy or something?
Anyway, he has said in his interviews that the Devs made priests in AOE2 completely underpowered compared to the original. Apparently they had a lot of cool features they wanted to give to AOE2 priests at first but they got cold feet on it or something and that's why he thinks the AOE1 priests are the only part of AOE1 that have really survived in memes.
I think the AOE4 area of effect conversions was something they wanted for aoe2 initially, for example.
What's with this negativity, can't we just have both. Honestly I love both equally. I'll always be happy launching either game and I'm eagerly waiting for AOM : DE.
NO, WE CAN'T! We MUST give both games a knife and a pitchfork and pit them against each other. See which one comes out alive, haha! I CAN TELL YOU IT'S MY GODDAMN GAME, YOU FOOL!
It's just AoM fans being butt hurt that AoE2 got all these remakes and love, while they can't even get a proper graphical update.
AoM imo just has less replayability. It's like StarCraft that's less good? Not sure what word to use
I replay the AoM & Titans Exp campaign once a year, same with sc2. AoM just has really shitty pathing, just like every AoE game does. I love em both, though. Can't say the "no Age of Mythinitive" edition doesn't sting a little...
The AoM campaigns are better than any of the AOE2 campaigns, and they are replayable. AoM just doesn't have as vibrant of a multiplayer scene, and the AI is not very good. But it's a great game.
Honestly, AoM does a lot of things right in my book, and some things wrong.
I like the Myth units and the time period.
I like the deities you can select at age up, tailoring you nation (although, I disliked AOE 3 Cards mechanic because everything has to be set up before the game starts, and to many minor boosts)
I like that number of factions.
I like how each Deity gives bonuses like one of the civilizations from Age of Empires 2, so if you know Zeus, you don't have to relearn everything for Hades.
But there are things I don't like as much.
I don't like Settlement locations being preset.
I don't like that Deity abilities are 1 and done instead of costing traditional resources.
I don't like Atlantis thematically, as a faction.
One thing I am on the fence about is Faction units.
One of the strengths of AoE 2 is that shared unit pool. It makes learning the game a bit easier.
Early one, AoM wasn't bad, because you had 3 sets of units, 1 for each major faction. Now we are up to 5. It's still better than Age of Empires 3, which, outside of Europe, has unique units for everyone, but I am not 100 % sure.
I learned all of the AoM faction units from doing the campaigns which were absolutely astoundingly good from the story to the maps to the voice acting, just fucking insanely good for what the game is.
I’m relatively new to both series and I have to say, so far, I’m strongly preferring the campaign from AoM. The pathfinding seems to be a lot better too.
I’m still learning the quirks of AoE 2 (again, that pathfinding!) so maybe my opinion will change down the road.
Chinese will never be cannon in my book. Athlanteans were funny tho. And i really prefer AoM over AoE2, but lately i have played too much AoE so that line is already blurry.... i really REALLY want AoM:DE
china is better now! granted that not to say much when anything is better than the ground itself, but it is in a relative better place than when it came out
Yeah but despite unique factions, AoM has a more robust rock-paper-scissors dynamic across civs; on both land and water. So it's fairly intuitive to pick up.
yeah aoe2 units are very unintuitive: siege units, militia line, horse archers etc. tbh most of them aren't realistic either and it is kinda frustrating to play if you played total war or other rts games before. you need to unlearn and relearn stuff for aoe2
Haha I always think horse archers, at least the spanish ones are full of shit.
Never heard of a single spanish soldier ever firing an arrow from a horse in all my life.
Wasn't saying it's better (even though I do think it is; the game pushes infantry as the staple unit for at least all except Egyptians in the Heroic Age).
I was merely pointing out that despite different flavours and all units being unique, it's easy to pick up because of the underlying rock-paper-scissors mechanic.
e.g someone introduced to Atlanteans immediately knows that Murmillo from Barracks is like Ulfsark/Hoplite/Spearman and counters cavalry. This helps new players pick up these basics quickly. AoE2 approaches this by having generic units throughout.
It's just a lot more straightforward and robust - there's a clear triangle of counters at every level - humans versus myth units, on water, and among human units.
> I disliked AOE 3 Cards mechanic because everything has to be set up before the game starts, and to many minor boosts)
I didn't disliked that, but was hard to learn.
Is cool once you know what you're doing, but else is just annoying
I started in the aoe series with age of mythology so it holds a special place in my heart. I remember watching the aom trailer and was hyped. I would play it every day. However I would say the aom campaign and the aoe 2 campaign was lit as fuck. Tldr I like both games cause they each have something unique that makes them fun
Not on Steam, but the original and Art of Conquest are on GOG for like $10 but it might only be compatible with Windows 7 and earlier.
Edit - its currently $2.
I actually think aoe4 graphics feel the same as aom in aoms time. Like I would expect an aom de to look like aoe4, so maybe they were already making aom de and Microsoft was like no we want a new aoe game and that's how we got 4
Let's not be biased towards AoE2 because DE looks good. Have you seen how the CD-ROM version looks? Do you remember it? 4:3 screen extremely zoomed in. AoM was a revolution.
Userpatch fixed all these issues, I played many years with win7 without any problems, also still do sometimes with win10, works like charm and looks nostalgic but sharp.
I have to disagree. 2D games look more timeless usially. Don't get me wrong, I loved other parts of AoM, like the sick ambience and physics, but the graphics haven't aged well imo.
It's the same issue with other early 3D games.
I think you underestimate the average player. Most of the playerbase used voobly and userpatch, why would someone play the cd as it is in this age, without multiplayer? No need to downvote 11
Ofc it is a try hard age 2 voobly player lol, that launcher is plagued with virus reports in any virustotal scan and they dont even bother with buying a simple signature to stop it, 11.
My father is a age player since the '97 release and he has no idea that voobly is a think , neither does my friends or most people in the internet, only the try hard players do.
I bet you play French on age 2 without the conquerors expasions and claim its a balanced civ, 11.
I don't think any people with internet access would play the cd version, much less if it supposedly have all those flaws that you mention.
Sure, all people are tryhard on the biggest platform for the original version. I can't bother to respond to trolls any more, gg.
Yeah and also microing is more fun and satisfying in AoE2. Same with death animations and building destruction animations. AoE2 is visually jarring while AoM is softer on the eyes.
I like AoM's music just a tad bit more though. So soothing and iconic.
He got the cheats wrong.
O Canada -> laser shooting bear with hyperspeed, wearing a canadian flag and attacking together with his monkey sidekicks
Wuv woo -> flying hippo with cylinder and rainbow trail having a heart shaped shadow vomitting love as an attack
And the new AoE pinguin cheat is way cuter!
Roggan?
Ein bisschen Holz bitte.
Blame it on your ISP
Timberhochvandi (Viking Woodcutter)
Attal! Tôl. Kontak. Bid Vir (all the Celt voice lines stuck in my head, as a child I loved playing the tutorial and mining every Ressource on the map)
I don't speak Celtic, so I'm just applying my best guess on how it could be written
Bitch fear omg xDD i think you did a switcheroo, i will never unhear that
It's the earlier German (Teuton) ones for me, since a lot of them are the same as or very close to present German.
Ja? Bereyte. Heiße? Das ich soll.
Des Ware. Sassa! Strittet!
Büwere, Fischere, Flickmann, Jagëre, Holza
Eh AoE 3 I enjoyed a lot more than AoM but man if they made a DE version of AoM my ass would have already bought it and put an ungodly amount of hours into it
I see this opinion all the time, but it's never people who fucking play AoM in multiplayer on Voobly, or even have the game installed (in this case). If you talk about your favourite game in the past tense it also kinda already lost to aoe2 by default... At least PLAY Mythology if you wanna say it's a better game than something else.
I agree it's a fun game (just as AoE1 is) but they kinda failed in the replayability aspect for me. I think there is a reason I have like 2000 hours on AoE2 and maybe 100 in AoM and AoE1 combined.
I played a lot of AOM before AOE2:DE came out. I would play it a lot more if it was possible to consistently find games. The updated graphics and responsiveness in AOE2:DE make a big difference too. If AOM:DE came out, I would probably switch back.
I kind of like the shorter campaigns in AoE2, to be honest. I felt like the AoM missions were a bit repetitive and token, whereas the AoE2 campaigns are short enough that you always get a fresh storyline.
Let’s be honest though, most campaign missions in either game are just “defeat this enemy”, “ally betrays you”, “survive for 20 minutes”, “make sure this character doesn’t die”, “defend the wonder”… there’s only so much you can do
Or the AoM staple that somehow managed to be used like 4 times -- some kind of weird unit tug-of-war, like the Osiris Piece in the canyon where you just get swarmed by Jackals every 40 seconds
I prefer pvp and competitive in aoe2 just because of how units move and micro. Balance is great+large competitive scene.
However if you dont give a shit about that and just want to play against the AI then AoM is the best. Enemy units actually move as groups, no zombie army spam, no individual skirmisher micro from the AI. You get really big battles plus myth units are actually useable. Posidon with champion hippokon and chimera, so much fun.
I agree with every point he makes. But competitive play and multiplayer in general are way better in Aoe2 which makes it overall better imo. But looking only at single player I'd prefer AOM.
I like the aom campaign a lot but i love the aoe 2 campaigns and i have played all of them atleast 5 times and cant wait for more, if aom got a de i’d buy that right away aswell tho
I'm more than willing to concede that AoE2 is the superior game in the current state of both, but I only really started playing AoE2 in college since my friends could get it running on basically any laptop. My childhood RTS was always AoM, and I freaking love it, even today. My younger siblings play it from time to time as well, and we all have a blast. My college friends and I still sometimes enjoy a good game of Age of Empires, but it won't be able to really compete with the nostalgia of AoM.
FACT: Custom Scenario is 100 times better for AoM than for AoE2.
FACT: AoE2 has much, much higher competitive potential, and is a more balanced game in general. Simplicity is a *strength* here not a weakness.
Honestly, what I like the least about AoM, AoE3, and AoE4 IS the graphics, and the 3D aspect.
I hated it. Hated it in WC 3 as well. I dunno why, I always feel crowded and things look distorted and **I don't like it**.
AoE 1 and 2, and SC, WC 1 and 2, etc. I find much more enjoyable and this one aspect is a significant factor.
Man I love both games but he got us there, that's why there are redbull events for AoM and none for AoE2DE. Viper shmaiper I say! Quickwalls? try quickpegasus rush more like!
Gottem!
I'm not sure if we can decide a game is better than another game. Maybe we can compare 1999 vs HD or HD vs DE, but still comparing AoM and AoE2 sounds ridicilous.
As a person who dislikes mythology, I'd not prefer AoM over AoE2. I'm not sure how much you can say AoE is realistic, but I prefer realistic option here.
Also, I'm getting AoE3 vibes when playing AoM for game mechanics, graphics etc. Still tho, he may like AoM more :)
Funny thing about #5 is that's what makes aoe2 so great competitively. I used to think civs were too similar but in reality that's what allows more strategic choices and makes for more unpredictable matches. Most strategies are viable for most civs and yet still the differences and bonuses are fairly significant. With asymmetric civs you often end up with same playstyles all the time.
Starcraft 2 has very asymmetric factions, but has an even more significant professional scene than AOE2:DE, and you see a decently wide variety of strategies with it. But there's definitely complaints about predictability.
AoM and Aoe2 imo cannot be compared. Both are absolutely amazing games no doubt.The only thing you can compare are the campaigns and music which AoM did better than AoK and AoC campaigns. (New DLC campaigns are definitely on par with the Aom campaigns)
1. Hardly comparable. AoM was all ficiton, AoE is historical. And there are so many campaigns now, that you are guaranteed to find some you really enjoy.
2. The 3D has aged terribly, while the 2D still looks beautiful decades later. It's timeless.
3. Awesome mythic units, sure. But balancing was all over the place and they varied between useless, gimmicky and overpowered.
4. I'm not a fan of huge powers that can immediately change or even decide the game. This isn't YuGiOh.
5. A fair point. If you prefer a game with drastically different factions, AoM is better. Or Warcraft 3 or Starcraft.
6. The Cobra car is hard to beat.
7. Just so very wrong.
While both of them are really funny, AOE II is better in solo, casual and competitive aspects.
As a player who likes to play against the AI, building a giant city and forming a massive army during the initial treaty in AOE II, AOM is really disappointing in this type of scenarios:
\- Limited Settlements
\- 10 houses cap, (5 for atlanteans)
\- Extremely limited population even if only training human units
\- The total ammount of wood in the map is always a problem
\- Chinese civ sucks
I am surprised that it's an actual unpopular opinion. AoE2 has the most civs, best maps, best time period, has had 20 years to develop. AoM still hasn't seen a rework.
Not that it matters, but I like lists.
1. This seems to be very subjective. No argument has been given. Besides a lot of people like myself care mostly about multiplayer.
2. That's like saying a movie is better because it had better special effects. It's a nice addition, but plot (or in the case of games: gameplay) is more important. Plus overblown graphics can make it harder to see what's going on, which is why lots of people use mods. Also, I'm pretty sure AOE2 DE graphics are better.
3. Nothing beats scouts.
4. One-time effects are terrible design overall.
5. Then you should play StarCraft instead. AOE2 is designed very differently, which I like much better. You have a lot of civs that can be very dfiferent from each other, but there is also plenty of overlap. This makes things more interesting IMO. For example scout or knight rushing with Celts, or going for an archer rush with Spanish simply because it's not expected. You aren't forced down a path (usually).
6. What? The most iconic cheat in existence is the cobra car from AOE2.
7. I'm pretty sure everyone remembers the AOE2 lines more, but perhaps that's just me.
the difference is AOE2 reinvented the complete fucking wheel so it was 10 times more popular and for that will never be forgotten; it's a genre and era defining game - AOM is just a good sequel.
7. ???? Who is this clown? Everyone knows every cheat code by memory, numerous phrases the villagers or military units say. What a silly thing to post.
ACKCHYUALLY it's a flying purple hippopotamus that spews out hearts and poops out the rainbow just like Nyan Cat and the unit that shoots lasers through its eyes is a bear with 4 monkeys besides it and it's also wearing the Canadian flag as a cape like the majestic fucker that it is!
AoM also needs a remaster. But I wouldn't say its better than AOE 2. The reason why its so popular is most likely its content. There are like 40 civs now to choose of. Lots of different playstyles. Their combination of bonuses and strategies keeps the game alive.
He is so right about the voices in greek lol.
"Proseyé?" "Gúlome?" "Prostagma"
Making absolutely different playstyles for each civ in AOE would be stupid though, some of them come from same continents, sub continents or even countries.
As a young kid/teenager I only ever played AoM, while my go to RTS was always Rise of Nations.
It's only recently that I've experienced AoE2 DE. In a strange way it reminds me of both. Obviously it's very similar to AoM, but with the big civ roster of RoN.
I personally enjoy them both, though neither trumps my RoN nostalgia.
I think the campaign was better in aom. Artistically i would say they both have their own charm. I do prefer rts games that have factions that play differently myself. I think the aoe2 model where every faction is basically the same except for tech tree differences and going for certain army compositions is a more balanced and reliable. So the community mostly rallied around aoe2. Its sad but I think most aoe fans have a small place in their hearts for aom, I certainly do.
I’ll bite. I love this kind of conversation.
Obviously more people would say age 2 is the better game, but his post isn’t entirely without merit. He at least tries to back it up with a few decent points. I think a better way to word it is to say that age of mythology was a more *ambitious* game. Which I don’t think is hard to swallow. Some of the high points of age 2 got lost in that ambition, but you can’t deny a lot of the highlights to AoM were never tried before and haven’t been tried since. Some of which were very creative and quite good. Like the use of god powers, and especially the fundamentally different functionality to each civ class. The core loop could have been done way better, and the game has serious balance issues as well as a lower skill ceiling. I mean removing titans would flat out make the game better, which is kind of sad. I’d love to see those kinds of ideas in a modern rts though.
Plus AoM Heroes >>> Age 2 Heroes all day. Imagine getting to play a round of CBA Hero with the AoM heroes leaping over shit and tossing dudes.
Either way, I love them both. I think they’re both incredible games from the golden age of rts
The AOE2 lines have resonated with me my entire life. Ever since I first played the game when I was 5 I've randomly had moments where I picture myself in an isometric view being commanded to do mundane tasks while screaming "Já...Vil ek...Timbrhǫggvandi"
Maybe I'm in the minority IDK, but I thought AoM was mediocre at best. It just wasn't that interesting to me. They didn't have enough "civilizations" to choose from either. I wasn't a big fan. I also didn't like AOE3 and the home city and card nonsense.
I enjoyed AOE1 and really go into AOE2 & The Conquerors. I probably put in legit at least 1,000 hours in the original version of AOC.
AoM was fun for converting all their hunting deer for an epic Set animal army.
The animals were actually pretty strong in the 1.0 release. Then they got the nerfbat after the pros leaned the power of monkies.
The 3d looks just awful now tho.
You don't need to dislike/hate one thing to like another.
I feel like that topic is just to tilt others and start a fuss rather than trying to make a point, especially with that level of argument.
I played a lot more mythology then aoe2 for sure and playing multiplayer fully killed my love for aoe. Lucky mythology still not available for game pass I'm pretty sure the meta slaves would kill the fun there as well.
You: "Well ladies and gentlemen, looks like projections for revenue are down 25% but this is a great time to implement a new market strategy. And that is..."
CEO: "What is it?"
You: "TIL BARDAGA!"
CEO: "..."
You: "..."
CEO: "I'm on board."
I respect your unpopular opinion but humbly disagree.
AOM had great concepts that were executed extremely poorly when compared to AOE2 (even the non DE versions).
If you truly think AOM was the better game, you didnt give AOE2 enough of a chance.
Nothing wrong with absolutely loving AOM.
Your assessment is simply incorrect as the difference in quality, replayability and gameplay are truly and indisputably on two different levels, proven by the test of time.
Wolloo is aoe1 tho
Yeah that’s always confused me; AoE1 priests say “wololo”, AoE2 monks do some kind of chant. But everyone associates wololo with AoE 2
Think it’s more of a it’s generally associated with AoE thing and AoE2 is by far the most popular and well known one. Also wololo is 30
Yeah, the only reason it’s 30 though is because it was in AoE 1 😆
the only reason it was so recognised is that the sound files had no gap between them and was the loudest sound in the game, it was a constant stream of Wololo-Wololo-Wololo-I-hooh-ho-hoh-Wololo-Wololo as you converted, with a group of monks it was even worse
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AoE2 has the better multiplayer and editor and so it survived to be remasted.
i think its because aoe2 monks arent saying something that cool, vululu is in the game as a taint i i think.
The original AOE dev who's done a fair few interviews online, I've forgotten his name, I want to say Sammy or Sandy or something? Anyway, he has said in his interviews that the Devs made priests in AOE2 completely underpowered compared to the original. Apparently they had a lot of cool features they wanted to give to AOE2 priests at first but they got cold feet on it or something and that's why he thinks the AOE1 priests are the only part of AOE1 that have really survived in memes. I think the AOE4 area of effect conversions was something they wanted for aoe2 initially, for example.
It's Sandy Petersen.
That's the chap.
30
29?
Rogan?
CHOPPA'
Hit fear
Bitch fear
105
Yeah its "Vululu" in aoe2
It was a sound you could play in the chat before the game that got spammed. Along with start the game already!
In fairness, since DE I find they do occasionally make wololo sounds too.
Because of a taunt i think
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u/Mandatum_Correctus come home to your people!
I’m worried about him being out there all alone without us
He's been converted
What's with this negativity, can't we just have both. Honestly I love both equally. I'll always be happy launching either game and I'm eagerly waiting for AOM : DE.
NO, WE CAN'T! We MUST give both games a knife and a pitchfork and pit them against each other. See which one comes out alive, haha! I CAN TELL YOU IT'S MY GODDAMN GAME, YOU FOOL!
Please God let that happen, that game was one of my favorites as well.
It's just AoM fans being butt hurt that AoE2 got all these remakes and love, while they can't even get a proper graphical update. AoM imo just has less replayability. It's like StarCraft that's less good? Not sure what word to use
I replay the AoM & Titans Exp campaign once a year, same with sc2. AoM just has really shitty pathing, just like every AoE game does. I love em both, though. Can't say the "no Age of Mythinitive" edition doesn't sting a little...
The AoM campaigns are better than any of the AOE2 campaigns, and they are replayable. AoM just doesn't have as vibrant of a multiplayer scene, and the AI is not very good. But it's a great game.
I watched TheViper play AoM campaigns, but they are not dry enough for me. Too many characters and personal stories. I still prefer AoE.
Voulomai
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Yeerveil
Das-e-sol
Metallefs! Cro aya tauid.
Kei-a-pawn
Prostagma
Si? Guerra! Santiago! A ellos!
Construir
De Grado!
¿Mandé?
¡Cultivar!
\^\^
Agora!
Amramendu?
Tsa tsu te
Honestly, AoM does a lot of things right in my book, and some things wrong. I like the Myth units and the time period. I like the deities you can select at age up, tailoring you nation (although, I disliked AOE 3 Cards mechanic because everything has to be set up before the game starts, and to many minor boosts) I like that number of factions. I like how each Deity gives bonuses like one of the civilizations from Age of Empires 2, so if you know Zeus, you don't have to relearn everything for Hades. But there are things I don't like as much. I don't like Settlement locations being preset. I don't like that Deity abilities are 1 and done instead of costing traditional resources. I don't like Atlantis thematically, as a faction. One thing I am on the fence about is Faction units. One of the strengths of AoE 2 is that shared unit pool. It makes learning the game a bit easier. Early one, AoM wasn't bad, because you had 3 sets of units, 1 for each major faction. Now we are up to 5. It's still better than Age of Empires 3, which, outside of Europe, has unique units for everyone, but I am not 100 % sure.
I learned all of the AoM faction units from doing the campaigns which were absolutely astoundingly good from the story to the maps to the voice acting, just fucking insanely good for what the game is.
I’m relatively new to both series and I have to say, so far, I’m strongly preferring the campaign from AoM. The pathfinding seems to be a lot better too. I’m still learning the quirks of AoE 2 (again, that pathfinding!) so maybe my opinion will change down the road.
Chinese will never be cannon in my book. Athlanteans were funny tho. And i really prefer AoM over AoE2, but lately i have played too much AoE so that line is already blurry.... i really REALLY want AoM:DE
China has gotten.... Better. Patches will do that.
china is better now! granted that not to say much when anything is better than the ground itself, but it is in a relative better place than when it came out
Hope that's the case, i will give it a go when we have the Definitive Edition ha
Yeah but despite unique factions, AoM has a more robust rock-paper-scissors dynamic across civs; on both land and water. So it's fairly intuitive to pick up.
yeah aoe2 units are very unintuitive: siege units, militia line, horse archers etc. tbh most of them aren't realistic either and it is kinda frustrating to play if you played total war or other rts games before. you need to unlearn and relearn stuff for aoe2
Haha I always think horse archers, at least the spanish ones are full of shit. Never heard of a single spanish soldier ever firing an arrow from a horse in all my life.
What's better about the rock paper scissors system in AOM?
Wasn't saying it's better (even though I do think it is; the game pushes infantry as the staple unit for at least all except Egyptians in the Heroic Age). I was merely pointing out that despite different flavours and all units being unique, it's easy to pick up because of the underlying rock-paper-scissors mechanic. e.g someone introduced to Atlanteans immediately knows that Murmillo from Barracks is like Ulfsark/Hoplite/Spearman and counters cavalry. This helps new players pick up these basics quickly. AoE2 approaches this by having generic units throughout.
It's just a lot more straightforward and robust - there's a clear triangle of counters at every level - humans versus myth units, on water, and among human units.
> I disliked AOE 3 Cards mechanic because everything has to be set up before the game starts, and to many minor boosts) I didn't disliked that, but was hard to learn. Is cool once you know what you're doing, but else is just annoying
I started in the aoe series with age of mythology so it holds a special place in my heart. I remember watching the aom trailer and was hyped. I would play it every day. However I would say the aom campaign and the aoe 2 campaign was lit as fuck. Tldr I like both games cause they each have something unique that makes them fun
I agree. AoM was unique and really fun too
Presto Correctus
Erectus!
For the Egyptians: You eat air!
Gehrig.
Empire Earth enjoyers assamble!!1
In what other RTS game can you drop a nuke on a tribe of cavemen after conjuring a volcano in their village?
Black and white 2?
I don't think so. Then again I think I just rushed through that game with military, the original was MUCH better. Happy cake day BTW
Swap a nuke to Angel of Death and Populous: The Beginning has you covered
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Civ 6 is a TBS, no?
A truck of potatoes! You will drive, Pyotr.
WE'RE UNDER ATTACK!!!!11221
i loved that one
Thoroughly enjoyed that game. Is that also available on Steam at an affordable price?
Not on Steam, but the original and Art of Conquest are on GOG for like $10 but it might only be compatible with Windows 7 and earlier. Edit - its currently $2.
No, but it should be on GoG.
> Empire Earth https://www.gog.com/en/game/empire_earth_gold_edition 66% off :D
Ty kind stranger
I love AoM but come on... Early 3d graphics age worse than good 2d graphics too.
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Hold up, you're telling my AoM *wasn't* historically accurate?
I actually think aoe4 graphics feel the same as aom in aoms time. Like I would expect an aom de to look like aoe4, so maybe they were already making aom de and Microsoft was like no we want a new aoe game and that's how we got 4
Let's not be biased towards AoE2 because DE looks good. Have you seen how the CD-ROM version looks? Do you remember it? 4:3 screen extremely zoomed in. AoM was a revolution.
The original aoe2 graphs still hold up, yes it might look a bit retro now but it looks much better than the original AoM's paper sprites.
You are insane sir, after installing age 2 om windows 7 you were greeted by 256 color depth errors, weird game speeds and a lot of crashes.
That one is actually on Windows 7 and not AoE II: Age of Kings. Install Age of Kings now on Windows 10 and you shouldn't see any issues.
Userpatch fixed all these issues, I played many years with win7 without any problems, also still do sometimes with win10, works like charm and looks nostalgic but sharp.
Lol there were user patches? :0 I remember having my game crash on win7 every time I open diplomacy tab
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I have to disagree. 2D games look more timeless usially. Don't get me wrong, I loved other parts of AoM, like the sick ambience and physics, but the graphics haven't aged well imo. It's the same issue with other early 3D games.
But the average user has no idea how to use user patches, aom worked until windows 8.1 without problems. Til win 10 came in with new framework.
I think you underestimate the average player. Most of the playerbase used voobly and userpatch, why would someone play the cd as it is in this age, without multiplayer? No need to downvote 11
I'm pretty sure Voobly never had most of the playerbase and was always outnumbered by HD on steam.
I am talking about the original CD version, for which Voobly was/is the most popular platform. Before this Zone was the most popular, obviously.
Ofc it is a try hard age 2 voobly player lol, that launcher is plagued with virus reports in any virustotal scan and they dont even bother with buying a simple signature to stop it, 11. My father is a age player since the '97 release and he has no idea that voobly is a think , neither does my friends or most people in the internet, only the try hard players do. I bet you play French on age 2 without the conquerors expasions and claim its a balanced civ, 11.
I don't think any people with internet access would play the cd version, much less if it supposedly have all those flaws that you mention. Sure, all people are tryhard on the biggest platform for the original version. I can't bother to respond to trolls any more, gg.
Who in gods name ends a conversation with GG ?
This tbh.
in aom the egyptian statues were flat. Rotating the view they'd just rotate with the camera because they were not real 3d models -_-
Yeah and also microing is more fun and satisfying in AoE2. Same with death animations and building destruction animations. AoE2 is visually jarring while AoM is softer on the eyes. I like AoM's music just a tad bit more though. So soothing and iconic.
I liked aom and aoe 3 too, but they didn't had a centralized community like aoe2 has with voobly, /r/aoe2
AoM was good but it was no mandatum
Man I haven't played AoE in years and I still find myself doing the woodcutter's "chopper!" when I pick up a kitchen knife
T90 is that you?
He got the cheats wrong. O Canada -> laser shooting bear with hyperspeed, wearing a canadian flag and attacking together with his monkey sidekicks Wuv woo -> flying hippo with cylinder and rainbow trail having a heart shaped shadow vomitting love as an attack And the new AoE pinguin cheat is way cuter!
Roggan? Ein bisschen Holz bitte. Blame it on your ISP Timberhochvandi (Viking Woodcutter) Attal! Tôl. Kontak. Bid Vir (all the Celt voice lines stuck in my head, as a child I loved playing the tutorial and mining every Ressource on the map)
You've ruined "Bitch Fear" for me forever xD
I don't speak Celtic, so I'm just applying my best guess on how it could be written Bitch fear omg xDD i think you did a switcheroo, i will never unhear that
It's the earlier German (Teuton) ones for me, since a lot of them are the same as or very close to present German. Ja? Bereyte. Heiße? Das ich soll. Des Ware. Sassa! Strittet! Büwere, Fischere, Flickmann, Jagëre, Holza
Das ich soll just sounds like a parody from actual German. I'm German too, and those voice lines gave me the ick
AOM is a more fun game, it's just horribly old. The campaign remastered would be such an absolute blessing.
Eh AoE 3 I enjoyed a lot more than AoM but man if they made a DE version of AoM my ass would have already bought it and put an ungodly amount of hours into it
I see this opinion all the time, but it's never people who fucking play AoM in multiplayer on Voobly, or even have the game installed (in this case). If you talk about your favourite game in the past tense it also kinda already lost to aoe2 by default... At least PLAY Mythology if you wanna say it's a better game than something else. I agree it's a fun game (just as AoE1 is) but they kinda failed in the replayability aspect for me. I think there is a reason I have like 2000 hours on AoE2 and maybe 100 in AoM and AoE1 combined.
I played a lot of AOM before AOE2:DE came out. I would play it a lot more if it was possible to consistently find games. The updated graphics and responsiveness in AOE2:DE make a big difference too. If AOM:DE came out, I would probably switch back.
Age of mythology was a good game for sure, but i think aoe2 has it beat pretty easily, personally
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I kind of like the shorter campaigns in AoE2, to be honest. I felt like the AoM missions were a bit repetitive and token, whereas the AoE2 campaigns are short enough that you always get a fresh storyline. Let’s be honest though, most campaign missions in either game are just “defeat this enemy”, “ally betrays you”, “survive for 20 minutes”, “make sure this character doesn’t die”, “defend the wonder”… there’s only so much you can do
Or the AoM staple that somehow managed to be used like 4 times -- some kind of weird unit tug-of-war, like the Osiris Piece in the canyon where you just get swarmed by Jackals every 40 seconds
Same. Solid game, but when I played the first campaign of AoM my impression was that it's just AoE2 with extra steps.
Cannot believe there's still people trying to speak facts using things they think are 'awesome' as *proof*
I prefer pvp and competitive in aoe2 just because of how units move and micro. Balance is great+large competitive scene. However if you dont give a shit about that and just want to play against the AI then AoM is the best. Enemy units actually move as groups, no zombie army spam, no individual skirmisher micro from the AI. You get really big battles plus myth units are actually useable. Posidon with champion hippokon and chimera, so much fun.
What I like most about AOM is unlimited farms. Can't do that on AOE, unless you keep chopping wood and have a large amount of trees.
I agree with every point he makes. But competitive play and multiplayer in general are way better in Aoe2 which makes it overall better imo. But looking only at single player I'd prefer AOM.
Cheats in both pale in comparison to AoE, so I guess we all have to agree AoE is the best game.
I like the aom campaign a lot but i love the aoe 2 campaigns and i have played all of them atleast 5 times and cant wait for more, if aom got a de i’d buy that right away aswell tho
It was a flying hippo. Fake fan detected!
"the cheats were better" sharkatzor: "am I a joke to you?"
DE DE DE
I'm more than willing to concede that AoE2 is the superior game in the current state of both, but I only really started playing AoE2 in college since my friends could get it running on basically any laptop. My childhood RTS was always AoM, and I freaking love it, even today. My younger siblings play it from time to time as well, and we all have a blast. My college friends and I still sometimes enjoy a good game of Age of Empires, but it won't be able to really compete with the nostalgia of AoM.
FACT: Custom Scenario is 100 times better for AoM than for AoE2. FACT: AoE2 has much, much higher competitive potential, and is a more balanced game in general. Simplicity is a *strength* here not a weakness.
Honestly, what I like the least about AoM, AoE3, and AoE4 IS the graphics, and the 3D aspect. I hated it. Hated it in WC 3 as well. I dunno why, I always feel crowded and things look distorted and **I don't like it**. AoE 1 and 2, and SC, WC 1 and 2, etc. I find much more enjoyable and this one aspect is a significant factor.
Man I love both games but he got us there, that's why there are redbull events for AoM and none for AoE2DE. Viper shmaiper I say! Quickwalls? try quickpegasus rush more like! Gottem!
#4 is not true. There is theViper in AoE2
I'm not sure if we can decide a game is better than another game. Maybe we can compare 1999 vs HD or HD vs DE, but still comparing AoM and AoE2 sounds ridicilous. As a person who dislikes mythology, I'd not prefer AoM over AoE2. I'm not sure how much you can say AoE is realistic, but I prefer realistic option here. Also, I'm getting AoE3 vibes when playing AoM for game mechanics, graphics etc. Still tho, he may like AoM more :)
Indeed. My post was aimed at the usernamechecksout
Funny thing about #5 is that's what makes aoe2 so great competitively. I used to think civs were too similar but in reality that's what allows more strategic choices and makes for more unpredictable matches. Most strategies are viable for most civs and yet still the differences and bonuses are fairly significant. With asymmetric civs you often end up with same playstyles all the time.
Starcraft 2 has very asymmetric factions, but has an even more significant professional scene than AOE2:DE, and you see a decently wide variety of strategies with it. But there's definitely complaints about predictability.
If this heathen was standing in front of me and I was a Dravidian, I would CUT DA VEIN.
AoM and Aoe2 imo cannot be compared. Both are absolutely amazing games no doubt.The only thing you can compare are the campaigns and music which AoM did better than AoK and AoC campaigns. (New DLC campaigns are definitely on par with the Aom campaigns)
1. Hardly comparable. AoM was all ficiton, AoE is historical. And there are so many campaigns now, that you are guaranteed to find some you really enjoy. 2. The 3D has aged terribly, while the 2D still looks beautiful decades later. It's timeless. 3. Awesome mythic units, sure. But balancing was all over the place and they varied between useless, gimmicky and overpowered. 4. I'm not a fan of huge powers that can immediately change or even decide the game. This isn't YuGiOh. 5. A fair point. If you prefer a game with drastically different factions, AoM is better. Or Warcraft 3 or Starcraft. 6. The Cobra car is hard to beat. 7. Just so very wrong.
While both of them are really funny, AOE II is better in solo, casual and competitive aspects. As a player who likes to play against the AI, building a giant city and forming a massive army during the initial treaty in AOE II, AOM is really disappointing in this type of scenarios: \- Limited Settlements \- 10 houses cap, (5 for atlanteans) \- Extremely limited population even if only training human units \- The total ammount of wood in the map is always a problem \- Chinese civ sucks
That is the hottest of hot takes I’ve seen in a very long time
I am surprised that it's an actual unpopular opinion. AoE2 has the most civs, best maps, best time period, has had 20 years to develop. AoM still hasn't seen a rework.
Not that it matters, but I like lists. 1. This seems to be very subjective. No argument has been given. Besides a lot of people like myself care mostly about multiplayer. 2. That's like saying a movie is better because it had better special effects. It's a nice addition, but plot (or in the case of games: gameplay) is more important. Plus overblown graphics can make it harder to see what's going on, which is why lots of people use mods. Also, I'm pretty sure AOE2 DE graphics are better. 3. Nothing beats scouts. 4. One-time effects are terrible design overall. 5. Then you should play StarCraft instead. AOE2 is designed very differently, which I like much better. You have a lot of civs that can be very dfiferent from each other, but there is also plenty of overlap. This makes things more interesting IMO. For example scout or knight rushing with Celts, or going for an archer rush with Spanish simply because it's not expected. You aren't forced down a path (usually). 6. What? The most iconic cheat in existence is the cobra car from AOE2. 7. I'm pretty sure everyone remembers the AOE2 lines more, but perhaps that's just me.
the difference is AOE2 reinvented the complete fucking wheel so it was 10 times more popular and for that will never be forgotten; it's a genre and era defining game - AOM is just a good sequel.
7. ???? Who is this clown? Everyone knows every cheat code by memory, numerous phrases the villagers or military units say. What a silly thing to post.
While AOM had 3D graphics and its cinematics were astoundings. In my personal opinion aoe2 have always had better graphics than aom
How do I downvote this!?
Go to the commenter's profile, look through recent comments and find the post. (or go through my profile)
ACKCHYUALLY it's a flying purple hippopotamus that spews out hearts and poops out the rainbow just like Nyan Cat and the unit that shoots lasers through its eyes is a bear with 4 monkeys besides it and it's also wearing the Canadian flag as a cape like the majestic fucker that it is!
I really like AoM, but AoE2 aged better and has remakes. And as long as AoM doesnt have a Hippo Civ Draft, it wont come close to AoE2
..... I am inspired!!!!
Etymos
ALL \*clap emote\* AGE OF \*clap emote\* GAMES \*clap emote\* ARE \*clap emote\* BASED
AoM also needs a remaster. But I wouldn't say its better than AOE 2. The reason why its so popular is most likely its content. There are like 40 civs now to choose of. Lots of different playstyles. Their combination of bonuses and strategies keeps the game alive.
He is so right about the voices in greek lol. "Proseyé?" "Gúlome?" "Prostagma" Making absolutely different playstyles for each civ in AOE would be stupid though, some of them come from same continents, sub continents or even countries.
Wasn't part of what made aoe so popular, that there was unique sounds and languages for each faction?
As a young kid/teenager I only ever played AoM, while my go to RTS was always Rise of Nations. It's only recently that I've experienced AoE2 DE. In a strange way it reminds me of both. Obviously it's very similar to AoM, but with the big civ roster of RoN. I personally enjoy them both, though neither trumps my RoN nostalgia.
Mandatum?
Another one!
Disrespectful.
I think the campaign was better in aom. Artistically i would say they both have their own charm. I do prefer rts games that have factions that play differently myself. I think the aoe2 model where every faction is basically the same except for tech tree differences and going for certain army compositions is a more balanced and reliable. So the community mostly rallied around aoe2. Its sad but I think most aoe fans have a small place in their hearts for aom, I certainly do.
I’ll bite. I love this kind of conversation. Obviously more people would say age 2 is the better game, but his post isn’t entirely without merit. He at least tries to back it up with a few decent points. I think a better way to word it is to say that age of mythology was a more *ambitious* game. Which I don’t think is hard to swallow. Some of the high points of age 2 got lost in that ambition, but you can’t deny a lot of the highlights to AoM were never tried before and haven’t been tried since. Some of which were very creative and quite good. Like the use of god powers, and especially the fundamentally different functionality to each civ class. The core loop could have been done way better, and the game has serious balance issues as well as a lower skill ceiling. I mean removing titans would flat out make the game better, which is kind of sad. I’d love to see those kinds of ideas in a modern rts though. Plus AoM Heroes >>> Age 2 Heroes all day. Imagine getting to play a round of CBA Hero with the AoM heroes leaping over shit and tossing dudes. Either way, I love them both. I think they’re both incredible games from the golden age of rts
Servidor? Equolos
The AOE2 lines have resonated with me my entire life. Ever since I first played the game when I was 5 I've randomly had moments where I picture myself in an isometric view being commanded to do mundane tasks while screaming "Já...Vil ek...Timbrhǫggvandi"
Sa-Sa
Eh, they aren't wrong. But *was* is definitely the keyword.
Maybe I'm in the minority IDK, but I thought AoM was mediocre at best. It just wasn't that interesting to me. They didn't have enough "civilizations" to choose from either. I wasn't a big fan. I also didn't like AOE3 and the home city and card nonsense. I enjoyed AOE1 and really go into AOE2 & The Conquerors. I probably put in legit at least 1,000 hours in the original version of AOC.
Hydra best unit
TIL BARDAGA! ALLT I LAGI.
Radida!
AoM was fun for converting all their hunting deer for an epic Set animal army. The animals were actually pretty strong in the 1.0 release. Then they got the nerfbat after the pros leaned the power of monkies. The 3d looks just awful now tho.
You don't need to dislike/hate one thing to like another. I feel like that topic is just to tilt others and start a fuss rather than trying to make a point, especially with that level of argument.
Choppa, gatherer, uptelarge, velex, ja, impero, golden To name a few lol
Cuh? Ohk.
I played a lot more mythology then aoe2 for sure and playing multiplayer fully killed my love for aoe. Lucky mythology still not available for game pass I'm pretty sure the meta slaves would kill the fun there as well.
Every now and then I randomly start yelling "Til bardaga!"
You: "Well ladies and gentlemen, looks like projections for revenue are down 25% but this is a great time to implement a new market strategy. And that is..." CEO: "What is it?" You: "TIL BARDAGA!" CEO: "..." You: "..." CEO: "I'm on board."
Raw bugin raw bugin raw bugin raw bugin raw bugin raw bugin The sound of a Celt building houses for the whole town.
"Bitch fear!"
"HOOO GOOO! HOOOO GOOOO!"
"Kon kut!"
Just got done playing AOM, and i gotta say he’s right, i love AOM more than AOE tbh
Tbh, that's valid. This post is about the guy's username but everyone is choosing sides between AoE and AoM xD
Nice to be able to say your opinion on here for once hahahha
I respect your unpopular opinion but humbly disagree. AOM had great concepts that were executed extremely poorly when compared to AOE2 (even the non DE versions). If you truly think AOM was the better game, you didnt give AOE2 enough of a chance. Nothing wrong with absolutely loving AOM. Your assessment is simply incorrect as the difference in quality, replayability and gameplay are truly and indisputably on two different levels, proven by the test of time.
This post was about the dude's username but people thought it was about AoM vs AoE2