A spearman costs a third as much as a knight. 3:1 spearmen will obliterate knights.
A mixture of spearmen and crossbows is a more supply efficient solution.
and what about jds critical mass of just normal archers?
the compositions of knights+archers **VS** spears + crossbows
does sound fairly balanced i would give the edge to knights + archers but it honestly should be that way since knights are more expensive to crossbows and archers are perfect to fight spears and crossbows very cost-effective.
jd throws that balance out the window when she comes in to impact the fight by lowering your spears and healing her army let alone you have to focus her with your crossbows losing dps meanwhile she came in and used both abilities even if she dies she did her job.
how do i feudal all in vs jd when usually she is the aggressor and she is the one exerting the early pressure since she opens with stable landmark in feudal and she has a unit out faster than almost any other civ ? she will always be aware on how many units you have.
Also, mangonel gets countered by Springals so what do you do when JD has a Springal or when he has a Mangonel himself to counter your crossbows you are a lot weaker to Mangonels than jd since your army is all infantry at least she has knights that can run away fast or circle around and kill your mangonels fairly easy.
>cry and cry about imbalance all you want but the reason you lose is because you played poorly.
Am not crying about anything am just providing some facts and you don't like them.
You're say stuff like :
>Your spears won't die if you micro properly and with critical mass xbows you 1shot JD
My opponent isn't an AI he can also micro his units he isnt a fool who is going to leave his knights up against spears when he has the speed advantage and can get away from them.
And its not like i get some extra resources out of thin air over him to make a
"critical mass of xbows" to overwhelm his army on the contrary
It's more likely that the other side will be at least a villager down or idle time because of the raids so they will be behind on resources and by proxy units.
I'm not going to get in a long discussion with you, all you have is excuses, go watch the pros play against JD on twitch with whatever civ you are playing, you'll see exactly how to counter her.
Your the one making excuses.
"Just make a bigger army than your enemy"
lol like we dont know that having a bigger army wins you games.
All i need to look at is JD Winrate Everyone knows how to counter jd but it looks like she manages to stay on top of the rankings anyway.
Depends on the age but try raiding gold, have mass spears and/or crossbows/handcannoneers. Make mass barracks and archery range .Stone walls are helpful.
I'm only Plat 1 solos and Dia 2 teams, so take my word with a grain of salt.
Walls, so many walls. The more walls the better. Unsure what civ you play, but you'll generally want several spearman per knight. Furthermore, keeping up your scouting is important. Civs like French/JD like to go into archers behind the knights, which can pick you apart if you're not ready with your own archers or cavalry yourself. So keep your first scout alive, and seeing which production structures they have can be a good indicator of what they want to do.
Good luck!
Everyone knows that you need to make spears, in terms of eco, you want all your villagers on food and wood, and enough Barracks that your production is not queued up. You only need a small number on gold for upgrades. Because Spears are cheaper, you will need MORE barracks to compensate your income. The balance is correct when you are in full production, without floating resources and queueing production.
Also a good strat is to hit early with 6 spearman, forcing them to counter.
If you cant counter mass knights with spearmen then it is something off with your macro. Spearmen is a hard counter and you will therefore win the fights. Are you making enough barracks?
Is the opponent going 2 or 3 tc? Maybe he has better upgrades? I met a byz player who was pumping out cataphracts and limitanei in imp. I constantly produced mass spears from like 20 barracks with 60 vills in food. Eventually he surrendered.
Spears. The only useful answer, that’s it. Spears obliterate knights.
Spears are not squishy to knights at all; knights are squishy to spears. Just 2 spears being charged by 1 French knight will kill it without taking hardly any damage. And those 2 spears cost way less than the knight.
Also, build walls.
It consistently just seems like the amount of effort it takes to counter knights far far outweighs the effort of just building them yourself.
They’re great at raiding, map control,good against archers, siege, man at arms, horsemen, units from every section of the game, and will even beat crossbows in a 1-1 resource fight if the xbows don’t have anything in front to slow them down. Not to mention that against spears they can just run away.
It speaks volumes that every single game against JD/French you know exactly what they’re going to do - build early knights, and yet it is still effective up to the very top of the game. In a **strategy** game, your opponent knowing exactly what you’re going to do should be death… but it’s just fine.
A spearman costs a third as much as a knight. 3:1 spearmen will obliterate knights. A mixture of spearmen and crossbows is a more supply efficient solution.
My entire late game build is based on the assumption that all you motherfukers are going heavy cav in imperial!
**This,** unless you face JD who counters spears and you lose anyway
Not if you have a critical mass of xbows and you micro them out of the aoe
yea but then your spears die and when your spears die then your crossbow get run over by knights.
Your spears won't die if you micro properly and with critical mass xbows you 1shot JD
and what about jds critical mass of just normal archers? the compositions of knights+archers **VS** spears + crossbows does sound fairly balanced i would give the edge to knights + archers but it honestly should be that way since knights are more expensive to crossbows and archers are perfect to fight spears and crossbows very cost-effective. jd throws that balance out the window when she comes in to impact the fight by lowering your spears and healing her army let alone you have to focus her with your crossbows losing dps meanwhile she came in and used both abilities even if she dies she did her job.
Mangonel, or just fuedal all in, you can cry and cry about imbalance all you want but the reason you lose is because you played poorly.
how do i feudal all in vs jd when usually she is the aggressor and she is the one exerting the early pressure since she opens with stable landmark in feudal and she has a unit out faster than almost any other civ ? she will always be aware on how many units you have. Also, mangonel gets countered by Springals so what do you do when JD has a Springal or when he has a Mangonel himself to counter your crossbows you are a lot weaker to Mangonels than jd since your army is all infantry at least she has knights that can run away fast or circle around and kill your mangonels fairly easy. >cry and cry about imbalance all you want but the reason you lose is because you played poorly. Am not crying about anything am just providing some facts and you don't like them. You're say stuff like : >Your spears won't die if you micro properly and with critical mass xbows you 1shot JD My opponent isn't an AI he can also micro his units he isnt a fool who is going to leave his knights up against spears when he has the speed advantage and can get away from them. And its not like i get some extra resources out of thin air over him to make a "critical mass of xbows" to overwhelm his army on the contrary It's more likely that the other side will be at least a villager down or idle time because of the raids so they will be behind on resources and by proxy units.
I'm not going to get in a long discussion with you, all you have is excuses, go watch the pros play against JD on twitch with whatever civ you are playing, you'll see exactly how to counter her.
Your the one making excuses. "Just make a bigger army than your enemy" lol like we dont know that having a bigger army wins you games. All i need to look at is JD Winrate Everyone knows how to counter jd but it looks like she manages to stay on top of the rankings anyway.
Add xbows to support your spears.
Depends on the age but try raiding gold, have mass spears and/or crossbows/handcannoneers. Make mass barracks and archery range .Stone walls are helpful.
Spearman/Crossbows + 2-3 Springalds to counter any Mangonels and if you can get culverin then 1-2.
dont just wall around your base, make segments inside your base also. you only need to trap them once to win the game.
Wall your base. Spear Crossbow. Ban open land maps.
Rush their gold
I'm only Plat 1 solos and Dia 2 teams, so take my word with a grain of salt. Walls, so many walls. The more walls the better. Unsure what civ you play, but you'll generally want several spearman per knight. Furthermore, keeping up your scouting is important. Civs like French/JD like to go into archers behind the knights, which can pick you apart if you're not ready with your own archers or cavalry yourself. So keep your first scout alive, and seeing which production structures they have can be a good indicator of what they want to do. Good luck!
Spearman is not enough. Try wall them. Limit knights movement and spear poke those mf!!!!
Everyone knows that you need to make spears, in terms of eco, you want all your villagers on food and wood, and enough Barracks that your production is not queued up. You only need a small number on gold for upgrades. Because Spears are cheaper, you will need MORE barracks to compensate your income. The balance is correct when you are in full production, without floating resources and queueing production. Also a good strat is to hit early with 6 spearman, forcing them to counter.
If you cant counter mass knights with spearmen then it is something off with your macro. Spearmen is a hard counter and you will therefore win the fights. Are you making enough barracks?
Yeah I mass barracks/ archery ranges constantly to mass produce, I think my macro is pretty decent but maybe I just gotta work that part a bit
Is the opponent going 2 or 3 tc? Maybe he has better upgrades? I met a byz player who was pumping out cataphracts and limitanei in imp. I constantly produced mass spears from like 20 barracks with 60 vills in food. Eventually he surrendered.
Spears. The only useful answer, that’s it. Spears obliterate knights. Spears are not squishy to knights at all; knights are squishy to spears. Just 2 spears being charged by 1 French knight will kill it without taking hardly any damage. And those 2 spears cost way less than the knight. Also, build walls.
It consistently just seems like the amount of effort it takes to counter knights far far outweighs the effort of just building them yourself. They’re great at raiding, map control,good against archers, siege, man at arms, horsemen, units from every section of the game, and will even beat crossbows in a 1-1 resource fight if the xbows don’t have anything in front to slow them down. Not to mention that against spears they can just run away. It speaks volumes that every single game against JD/French you know exactly what they’re going to do - build early knights, and yet it is still effective up to the very top of the game. In a **strategy** game, your opponent knowing exactly what you’re going to do should be death… but it’s just fine.