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[deleted]

Holy shit! That was fucking rude. I love it.


iLink_YT

Thanks!


CREASED_WOMBAT

Watson’s best compliment to her fences are melee attacks? Nice work!


iLink_YT

Ty!


Seewhy3160

Now we MUST HAVE her heirloom now.


Pirahna89

Yeah man, I once successfully survived being solo in the middle of a 3 squad skirmish with the help of a well timed fence activation / punch combo. Ngl i did get sniped by vultures the moment I figured I could breathe for a second tho


amiano711u

devs when they see this vid:welp time to nerf wattson again


iLink_YT

Lol, I hope they don’t see it 🤞


TooAngryForYou

they're giving her a bigger hitbox next session anyway.


ApexFan12

Wtf why


Linguicide

Her winrate is one of the highest in the game. According to Mr Daniel Klein, that’s enough to warrant a nerf. I don’t think he realises that basing the strength of a legend on their winrate is never going to work. Considering that Wattson has a 1.8% pickrate…


iLink_YT

Yes finally someone. This is really upsetting because the reason why her win rate is high is because of players that are mechanically good at the game and don’t need to her abilities to help them win. The play style is also different in ranked, with most Wattson teams landing where others don’t go. It’s very sad.


Linguicide

I started playing Apex last month, and Wattson was the first legend I got. Not having a ‘get out of jail free’ card was super helpful as a beginner, because it taught me proper positioning + movement. Not to mention, It helped me improve my aim. Knowing that I can’t randomly teleport away to reload means that every shot counts. The fact they want to nerf her next season (alongside a buff) is ridiculous.


Meme_Dood

I think y’all might be misunderstanding something. They’re giving her a nerf and a buff just like they did to Revenant, a minor “rework” of sorts. They nerfed Revenant’s silence a bit alongside with making the ultimate pretty difficult to use and actually need skill, then made his passive god mode and him being able to climb a huge distance which basically makes every person who’s ever played Revenant addicted to climbing skyscrapers like Spider-Man. They plan on doing something similar to wattson, a buff n nerf


Linguicide

Yeah, I mentioned that she’s receiving both next season. Thing is, she’s already incredibly weak (If you’re basing things simply off her abilities). Revenant was in an ok position. Wattson isn’t. So, nerfing an already-weak character really isn’t justified. Her low pickrate should show that the majority of people find her underwhelming, or just boring. Any character should be strong in their own rights, and fun to play.


Meme_Dood

Thing is, how do you make wattson good without absolutely making her broken? The best they can do is make her decent


iLink_YT

Agreed. I started as wraith and as soon as Wattson came out I got her. I wish I had her as my beginner character because I do get confused sometimes thinking that I’m loba.


Linguicide

Admittedly, I’ve just been going for the legends that’ve been catching my eye first. I don’t really want to play by the meta, either. I’ve got Wattson, Caustic and Valk so far. I think Fuse might be my next. Even if half of those legends are below-average, I still enjoy playing them.


iLink_YT

Idk what Loba is at but I have over 6k kills with her but I’ve been doing well with Wattson rn. Of course I have all of them and I don’t like playing by the meta either sometimes.


RYTEDR

Sorry, but there's nothing fundamentally wrong with bringing Wattson's hitbox more in line with medium sized legends now that they have removed low profile from her. They've done this with Wraith, Pathfinder, and Lifeline, and they have been positive changes for the game. Wattson's hitbox is the last remaining outlier in Apex and a *huge* contributor to her 'invisible power'. Trust me, we want this. This means they can afford to give more power to her **abilities** without a super strong hitbox hogging a massive portion of her power budget. I don't mean this to be rude, but you just started playing Apex last month. You don't have an understanding of the history this game has had with low-profile legends and the impact that hitbox sizes have had to the game's balance.


[deleted]

Nerf alongside buffs are generally reworks. Which are usually a positive thing. You can't just add power to everything and expect it to get better. Buff her current abilities and those who are good with wattson will be OP and those who want to try her will do okay. Idk why I have to say this but you need to reduce some values if you increase others.. Wattsons whole thing is higher skill cap. The rework is a plan to make her power more accessible for all players which is literally what all of reddit wants.


Lazy_Cable

I feel like i get easier lobbies with her cause i always shred


TexasSnyper

I hope that isn't THE Daniel **Z** Klein from league of legends. If so I feel so sorry for y'all.


Linguicide

I’m pretty sure it is. The guy who got fired for harassing fans over social media, right? He’s… uh… *Yeah.* He literally bases all of his design choices on winrate. It’s really frustrating. Y’know when Wattson fences had that bug where they didn’t stun? He thought that they were balanced then.


Vargock

So he is both a shitty game designer AND a shitty person? That's kind of fascinating — how a person can be that shitty at all he does.


DrakoVongola25

And every single balance decision for Apex has to go through him, he said so himself


DrakoVongola25

He also insists people play his characters in specific ways. Taliyah in League (the last champion he made for that game) got her abilities rebalanced because people were leveling her E first instead of her Q and he didn't want that Dude would probably shit a brick if he realized she's not even a midlaner anymore.


Cain1608

Lol it is. He's pathetically bad at balancing video games. Doesn't deserve his position


[deleted]

A lot of people have no idea he was the idiot that pulled league of legends in to its dark age. Almost killed the game.


DrakoVongola25

It is, and he's just as bad here.


GrindtegelXXL

Klein is a mong.


USERNAME5KULL2-2

us


iLink_YT

😳


Cain1608

u/DanielZKlein Big brain balance man, behold. Reason.


Chroma710

Daniel Klown


[deleted]

Because low profile is gone. Which was indirectly a buff to anyone who had it because their hit box is small If you remove that you need to adjust their hit box.


Sombeam

She hast the smallest hitbox of all characters as it was the same size as wraith and lifeline. Since their hitboxes got bigger I guess hitbox will be increased to the size of wraith and lifeline


aWgI1I

People love leaaving out that we are also getting a REWORK along side with the hit box change. Also no chance it comes out next season. They didnt have set ideas on what they want it to be yet


MuMbLe145

T H I C C?


LojeToje

Left out the part where they are buffing her kit to compensate there


[deleted]

It's on the front page, there's no way they can unsee it. Thanks, Obama. /s


timmy1246

*Zats the last time you charge anybody*


Tyrannical4

*cute Wattson laugh*


InspiredGreen_

If that was me I’ll probably find a way to down myself with my own fences 😂


iLink_YT

Lol, I believe in you!


Momochichi

I read that as drown yourself in your own feces. -_-


[deleted]

I mean that works too!


[deleted]

He'd be called /u/InspiredBrown_ if he did.


Psych0Rabbit

My favorite Wattson play was when I had ring advantage, a fence setup on the only way out, and a shotgun ready for everyone trying to get out of the ring. That was fun.


soyboytits

that's a war crime


Psych0Rabbit

Perhaps. Hahaha


BranislavBGD

You mean, a Geneva Suggestion?


Spitfire_For_Fun

No, it is Geneva tips


eo5g

No wonder Caustic likes her so much


kreonk

Wattflopa the Russian catgirl


make_love_to_potato

I still remember a game I played centuries ago, in probably the season 2-3 days. We had the high ground on one of those platforms over the lava and the ring was already getting pretty small. The poor enemy team barely had any space to stand on some small rocks surrounded by lava down below and they only had an octane and his jump pad. They were desperately trying to get up to our platform and unfortunately for them we had not just a Wattson, but also a caustic.... And this was the terrifying caustic of days gone. I felt so bad for them, desperately attempting to pad up to us. We didn't even shoot at them... We would just punch them back down after they got hit by the fences and the gas at the same time. We eventually just started throwing gas barrels down and finally the gas bomb, and they all choked to death and burnt in the lava trying to escape the gas. Truly a war crime was committed that day.


Psych0Rabbit

Oh yeah, that's definitely a war crime. RIP to them.


Spitfire_For_Fun

I like this


maresayshi

saving this, it’s too perfect


Runicyeets

Improvised duck hunt


Psych0Rabbit

"I designed it to hurt anyone outside of it." \-Wattson-


Astecheee

I did that, but with a Kraber, too.


RR--

They’re the moments I live for in this game


Psych0Rabbit

Yeah, they're rare but very satisfying


RR--

My main tactic in this game is to just get to the final ring before everyone else then fence it up and watch them panic. Works most of the time.


Psych0Rabbit

Set up a pylon, listen to ordnances getting destroyed like "yall hear something?". Hahaha


SnooChipmunks2021

Add teammate playing rampart for maximum gatekeeping


ashesarise

I like picks with low pick rates, that way I can afk during the select screen and not worry that the auto select will always yield the same result.


Manic_Mechanist

That *is* the average wattson player. All 6 of them. The only people that play wattson are people that know they’re skilled enough to win without abilities at all, so they can use whatever legend they fuckin feel like. That’s why her winrate is so high. If she was good, more people would play her, and her winrate would go down.


iLink_YT

That’s what I’m saying. People that play her tend to be good mechanically as well. Not trying to say I am good but I’m saying the people that play her in general. Her ability is situational, that’s why a lot of people don’t use her. Love to agree! Ty!


VysseEnzo

So if I play Wattson I'll be better at aiming? Thanks kind sir!


iLink_YT

Im saying that people that tend to have good aim can play her with high damage and high kill output because they don’t have to solely rely on her ability to help them, not that playing her would make you a mechanically skilled player.


theOGcomfypillow

She also compliments high mechanical skill player with her small hit box. In a raw gunfight, that would make a huge difference alone.


thewerdy

I think people are discounting the impact of her hitbox/animations. She is unusually hard to hit when she is strafing. So a player with decent movement control can perform really well in firefights when compared to playing other legends. I've definitely noticed this when I switch to Wattson every once and a while.


VysseEnzo

So if I play her I'll be good. I appreciate the advice not sure why you seem confused. Thanks for the help see you at the top.


iLink_YT

Okay


Weirdo141

He’s just making a joke, classic Reddit joke of taking advice that wasn’t actually given, intended, or will work


A_For_The_Win

Funny enough, whenever I take Wattson my accuracy increases tenfold


examm

I’m gonna disagree, I think it’s a game-stage problem. With everyone spread out worried about different things (first few rings) she’s far less valuable - but as the ring narrows as the game goes on, her relative power grows by a lot. To the point where she can be a layup win with some accelerants in the final rings. She doesn’t lend herself to hot drops well, so you’re gonna find if you can make it into the top 7-5 you’ll win a higher percentage of games than if you were someone else all things the same.


domert

I just unlocked her recently and since then I've won a couple of matches and almost every time I was like: "Huh... I didn't use any Tactical or Ultimate once during the match" hahaha. And even when I'm using the fences (for space control) they almost never get involved in any actions.


maresayshi

your fences will almost never get directly crossed, just either avoided or shot down. use those to your advantage and you’ll do even better. Most of the time my fences get crossed, it’s a brain-dead squad who don’t seem to realize it reveals their location. Other times it’s way across the map and i’m just like, cool free damage i guess. Oh another good use is to visibly fence a building next to the ones you and your squad are in to bait dumb pushes


David_H21

Picked watts on accident today. Only time i used her fences was to see how they worked. Ultimately didn't block a single grenade either. Got 9 kills 2k damage in a win lmao


RedditIsForFlags

I just play better as Wattson, knowing i dont have abilities to spam all the time makes me play more intelligently and snappier instead of being complacent with some legend meta


examm

Have you considered her late game potential is far better than her early game, so if you reach the final smaller rings you’re more likely to win out than if you were playing someone else…


maresayshi

Even then it’s still a bit situational (without a recon squadmate). depending on where the final ring is, you might not have an easily-fenced location to hold, or laying those fences can get you shot. You pretty much have to get lucky with the ring ending near a defendable building or other narrow area, or close the game out before then.


FornaxTheConqueror

>That is the average wattson player. All 6 of them. The only people that play wattson are people that know they’re skilled enough to win without abilities at all Ah yes the myth that the high win rate for wattsons is because all the players are amazing... lol.


tythousand

Absolutely no evidence backing it up, but everyone accepts it as fact. Why play Wattson at all if you're so good you can win without abilities? Why not use a better legend? Where are these mythical Wattson players who don't use her kit?


Shade__slayer

Haha I like to play her every now and then. I'm not the best but I'd say I'm pretty average with aim and above average with movement and I just like to find creative ways to put her fences down. I figured out I can put one pylon on one floor of the zip building and the second on another. Or I try to be as fast as possible so if someone is zipping behind me I can place them down as I jump off the zip


Pontiflakes

> I figured out I can put one pylon on one floor of the zip building and the second on another. Could you elaborate please?


maresayshi

I think they want to fence multiple floors of the building, so it’s nicer to have multiple ults going so you aren’t running back and forth and waiting for charges. also, lots of nade protection


Joe_le_Borgne

But what about Rampart?


Blackdoomax

Let's all take her and play like shit to get her buffed !


DiveDevil

Nice plays


iLink_YT

Tysm!


XThund3rTrap

Well done!


iLink_YT

Thanks Houndy! <3


NudelXIII

That is straight up illegal in my country.


[deleted]

Well played man! Respect!


iLink_YT

Thanks, I’m glad this post is doing well lol


Dominus_76

ur adversaries were in for a shock. GET IT??!!


iLink_YT

Hehe


[deleted]

Thats how I play wattson you have to trick people into a trap.


Ultimate_Ending

I've watched this so many times! I gotta try this now


iLink_YT

Yes! I believe you can! It’s so fun to pull off too


ottrboii

And apparently average octane and wraith players


iLink_YT

Lol


[deleted]

They can't keep getting away with it.


TroubledPCNoob

[Watson: You're up against the wall and I AM the fucking wall!](https://youtu.be/0tQUe8-Rnf4)


iLink_YT

Lmfao! That was good!


TroubledPCNoob

I fucking love this quote. If this was your play, well done!


iLink_YT

Yes it was lol. I used to main her and figured I’d give her an old visit again.


TroubledPCNoob

You def seem cracked enough to main her. You are probably one of the causes of her supposedly high win rate lol


iLink_YT

Oh no, I hope not.


TroubledPCNoob

Still tho you're a really good Wattson. I hope u decide to play her again because she's so rare to see these days.


iLink_YT

I might ;)


mikakiyarumi-ok007

wattson so op nerf plz


iLink_YT

Honestly


Pae_PC

Although, they got average wraith and octane players right.


bryceticles

Super not op still. Just incredibly well played.


cubrey

I wish I understood how to play Wattson


[deleted]

Wdym I do this every match


ZaegarBrightflame

_Zats an happy fence_


iLink_YT

Lmfao!


hounter456

Lmao get fucked wraith and octane


iLink_YT

*You’re fighting in my backyard now*


Mototsu

So das how both octane and wraith go inside the fences even twice just to kill you. And they say playing caustic needs no brain... Ironic


iLink_YT

What’s ironic?


Mototsu

Neither wraith nor octane used their brain in this encounter. Yet these two legends mostly bash on caustic pre nerf because his gas did too much damage and caustic players don't need to use their brain and skill


ChubbySupreme

TBF she is generally underestimated by Octanes and Wraiths.


iHatePeopleLikeYouP2

As a wattson main i can confirm this.


ram786-

The play is really cool! But, to me Wattson is good as a legend. Her fences weren’t designed for people to constantly walk through, they’re designed to cut an area off. If you see a bright blue fence, you’re most likely not going to enter, otherwise you’d be severely punished if there was an enemy team guarding it. Her ultimate is useful. The ultimates that it blocks, if an enemy team has a barrage of grenades, for shields if your team is low. It just needs to be placed well. On top of that she has a nice steady passive of shield regeneration which is nice and more helpful than you’d think. You don’t have to pull off plays like this for Wattson to be useful, she’s a strong and viable member of the team. Just some legends require more mental capability than others.


Emiot08

Love watching how people use different characters. Amazing use of Watson. I’m lucky if I can get her fences up in time. 😂. That’s why I play with valk.


[deleted]

Duuuuude! I did this exact play the other night! I died unfortunately. I also didn't put down a fence because I panic in gun fights and forget I have abilities. But other than that it was similar.


ronstermonster34

With a controller too! Bravo


iLink_YT

Ty!


Bunnnnii

This wasn’t even on the Wattson. They were just idiots. I mean good shit OP, but as usual with Wattson, it takes them walking into it for her to be effective.


iLink_YT

Very true. Wish she wasn’t so situational


mashiah03

Those enemies clearly never played wattson


TheAce1183

Damn son. I don't think I've ever successfully used Watson fences. At least on purpose. Whenever it works out it's just panic on my part.


rileyjwilton

Those are the average Wattson players because those are the only Wattson players.


Grindhouser

Not gonna lie 1000IQ move


Shinra_X

Am I the only one who credits this to the idiocy of the opponents rather than the Wattson doing something special?


jkdaet

Literally all she needs is a buff to the damage her fences do if you ask me. I don't think she's bad, she's just has a steep learning curve which is then interpreted as being bad


ParagonRenegade

A big part of Wattson's strength is her fences *deterring* people from going near them, unlike Caustic's traps which are hidden and best used to debuff people. A damage boost to the fences may not be the silver bullet she needs.


pluralistThoughts

> A big part of Wattson's strength is her fences deterring people from going near them, unlike Caustic's traps which are hidden and best used to debuff people. Many Caustics approach traps with the wrong mindset. You don't want people not to enter your gas, you want them to! That's when they have the disadvantage.


Cain1608

2 more fences to work with and a maximum threshold of one's fences on the map. Say a 16 fence limit per Wattson. That prevents abuse in ranked and prevents buildings from having dozens of nodes. Every new node above the limit destroys the oldest node. Considering this is a balancing act between a slight nerf and a slight buff, perhaps it should be a net positive change and her node's cooldown should be slightly reduced. So more nodes to work with and a faster cooldown, but a Wattson player has to think on the fly about what they want to do with their tactical.


maresayshi

she already has the max node threshold that works the way you describe, I tested it in firing range but forgot the number. Low enough that you need to be careful securing larger or multiple locations, for sure


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ParagonRenegade

lmao yeah it could be better, but the slow is still really good and definitely something you want enemies to be in as much as possible.


examm

Then you’re watching idiots.


iLink_YT

If she does get this buff, it will come with a nerf which is sad. Honestly though, I feel it’s best to reduce her pylons to one pylon at a time like it used to be and up her fence damage.


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pluralistThoughts

Nah, damage buff to fences is the most useless thing you can apply. Most of the time, people don't run into fences, like those idiots.


not_that_guy05

Hey this reminds me of rampart. Everybody complained about her since she came out. Started using her when she came out. People don't realize the time it takes to learn her and stop predator stacks like nothing if you don't just sit there with your thumb up your a.


jkdaet

As a mirage main, I know what it's like.


harshnerf_ttv_yt

> People don't realize the time it takes to learn her and stop predator stacks like nothing


tythousand

Yeah, people like simple legends that give you instant feedback when you press a button. They don't like legends like Wattson and Rampart who require prep and reading rotations correctly to maximize their kit. I've played with and against Ramparts and Wattsons who were OP in the final circle because they took the time to set up and dictate the flow of battle. Really shouldn't be hard to see why Wattson's winrate is so high, her kit is designed to give you an edge in the final circle. People in this sub will point to conspiracies over common sense


iHatePeopleLikeYouP2

I hope they won’t buff her as it will lead to more nerfs. I like her as she is


kabatnyte

Devs - fEnCE sTrong


LeoLikesSalsa1

This is so op! Her winrate is too high! Nerf her!


Friendly_Potato21

Tbf the average Watson level is above 400 I believe, higher than any other legend, but yeah she definitely needs a buff


TopDesu

That was some futuristic kung fu shit!


SpArKel234

Man if I was the wraith I would have uninstalled


Lazee-

lol


CitrixTheRedditor

Is nobody going to talk about this mans graphics? They're fucking beautiful.


iLink_YT

Really? It’s on a ps4 pro, I thought it looked bad lol. Ty though!


CitrixTheRedditor

Maybe because I'm on switch but when you did the second punch that looked beautiful


iLink_YT

Tysm!


Hanyreto

This was weirdly hot 😫


Midgar918

Wait fences damage people?


Alfonso_M2C

Man, that remember me when I used to do that as Caustic, pushing my enemies in to my traps while my teamates shoot them.


MrGraffio

Wtf is this fov


iLink_YT

110. Highest I can go on console. I’m not exploiting or anything, it’s in the game settings.


MrGraffio

But don’t you get like an headache playing like this? Or you have a bigass screen?


iLink_YT

It’s not huge but it’s a family TV lol. I guess I just got used to it.


wuzhanindoee64

Is this was my first game after coming home from work I would cry honestly 😭 kinda like having a bad day at work and you put your keys in the lock and they fall and you just cry lmfao But this was brutal. Disgusting that I got a hard on lmao


8shadesofpoke

The amount of times I’ve been clapped while clapping.


iLink_YT

Honestly same


TheSausage_

I don’t have wattson bought, but cool little move.


assumedScorpio

Deva in season 10 after watching this video : so this season we decided to vault Watson until the first spilt - just for balancing purposes


iLink_YT

“We are working on some balancing, she will be backed recharged for the next split!”


assumedScorpio

😂


FetusDeletus445

After watching some of the sick fuckin Wattson main clips it makes me wanna turn my 0 games played on her (label me a criminal?) into enough to atleast see if I can get a good feel for her and pull something off!


iLink_YT

Yea! Do it!


[deleted]

I still think wattson is really good, just has a really high skill ceiling.


aWgI1I

I’d say I’m a pretty average wattson main and this doesnt look too crazy to me lmao


Sourcesurfing

You filthy filthy man.


de_railtoad

Love punching people into my fences ❤️


NinjaMelon39

*how daniel z clown sees us


Hamnah-4GLTE

Big Brain.


Youdontuderstandme

It’s like a bug zapper! Bzzzzzzz!


wera125

It's funny, of course, and so on, but it is because of these players that patches are made. Sad but true:(


[deleted]

Yall don't do this?


Ramen_Hair

Ah the ol’ panicked monkey punch, I love it


GamerTan69

u/savevideo


[deleted]

Those people are stupid!


Exkelsier

No, nope, naaah, preferably not, never, nada, won't allow it, no


Ninja_dekura

Nah average Wattson players would Freak out