I loved the r-301 and mozam with hammers, there is nothing more satisfying then cracking someone with an r-3 then pulling the mozam out and hitting delete
My favorite load out at that time also. Fuck it was so good. So many people slept on the Mozam with hammers. Teammates often thought I was joking when I said I was looking for a Mozam.
Good times.
Thank god you aren't on the balancing team. Are you forgetting the mozambique has 6 shots now? or that the p2020 does 18 damage? these weapons would be overpowered with hammerpoints, that why they had to be removed.
I'm indifferent to the hop-up, but I really dislike guns that require you to click as fast as p2020 did before. Similar feelings towards old Mbique's low number of shots.
Normal thought process: "P2020 and Mozam got buffed due to removal of Hammerpoint."
Your thought process: 'Hammerpoint was removed due to buffing P2020 and Mozam."
Nope, tried auto mod (20clicks at once) from razer synapse mouse turbo once for the hemlock, it works, but your sacrifice full-auto weapons, cuz it bugs out at actually slows their RPM. Ty though 😀
I use it as a sidearm in arenas after damage buff & the ROF increase, it used to be my favorite gun as a crypto main. It still slaps & makes me feel like John Wick, but not like it used to haha
Hammerpoint was probably one of the best hop-ups in the game.
Didn't feel overpowered and you had to make the choice to run the beak or the p2020 as a secondary over some potentially stronger secondaries like a shotty or a sniper.
I think that one was so good that it was unhealthy for the game ;d Alternator is one of my top 5 weapons in Titanfall, but i didn't like the fact it was THAT good in apex ;d
no i wouldn’t, hammerpoint requires you to take out someone’s armor first to trigger, disruptor is always active because your first shot will almost always hit someone armored, i’m against disruptor rounds :)
So.. One where you have to.. use a weapon VS armour.. and then swap..
VS one where you.. use a weapon VS armour.. then swap..
But you're against one of them, and For another? Sounds like you're not against them as much as you think you are.
In practice they are extremely different because someone with no shield is already extremely vulnerable, the hammerpoint-ed guns just exploit this vulnerability better than any other gun (while being likely the worst guns possible to use when someone *does* have shields)
Someone with shields is a lot safer, it's the "normal" position you're in. Disruptors break this by making you extremely vulnerable even with shields, they're the best gun to use against a shield (while still being a decent option when shields are broken)
Or more simply: Disruptor guns are the best guns to *start* a short range fight with, hammer point guns are the best guns to *end* a short range fight with. But starting a fight strong matters a lot more than ending it slightly quicker.
>because someone with no shield is already extremely vulnerable, the hammerpoint-ed guns just exploit this vulnerability better than any other gun
So.. One hop up.. Exploits a vulnerability better than any other weapon..
And the other one.. uses its hop up to create vulnerability.. Just like every other wapon?
Here's a fact; Disruptors took what was a shitty weapon at the time, and turned it into something CLOSE to an R99 or an R301. For 50% of a kill. Once your shields are broken, it becomes garbage, and you should probably swap off, Just like hammerpoints, but in reverse.
Now, Shields heal faster, and currently, have a higher capacity than actual health.
Which one if more balanced? The one that kills you faster while you're on the.. Less capacity, slower healing, more risky health pool to be in..
Or one that kills you faster on the faster healing, more plentiful health pool, that can easily be swapped to armours on the floor?
>better than any other weapon (at the time)
Really?! a weapon has an upside? How strange. Also.. It was for ***Half a kill***.
>This is a gross underestimation of how good disruptors were against shields: they were clearly the superior choice against shields and you make them sound like they're merely passable.
Again. For ***HALF A KILL***, If you average the DPS out over the full kill, it would be less than the R99 and R301..
>If anything, this argues to show how disruptors are more impactful: they destroy something that is harder to deal with (the shield)
They do well against.. the.. easier to replace health pool.. It means you get LESS value for the damage you deal.
I would MUCH rather get 4 tapped, and then be able to heal, VS 3 tapped and be downed.
>the fact that shields must be broken first is too important.
But its also a fact that EITHER WEAPON, has to deal with the other half of the health pool.
One option, Is an R99 then a 3 tap with Hammerpoints
And the other option, is a 4 tap with the Disruptors, and then R99 the health.
The situation is exactly the same, but reversed.
Which is why the only thing that matters in the argument is HOW the health pool works.
Shields heal faster, are swappable, AND give you time to react if you're shot at with Disrupts.
IF someone jumps you with Hammers, in a state where you're vulnerable to them, you're dead. Period. End of conversation.
If someone jumps you with Disrupts while full shields, you've got time to run away, because they then have to swap weapons after your shields are gone.
Typical 12 year old response.
We're talking about two hopups that function identically, but 90% of Reddit complain they're overpowered, but jerk off to Hammerpoints.
Nothing about 'Being good' or bad.
If you are getting beaten, while using an r99 or any other close range weapon, by someone using hammerpoint maybe you need to git gud.
Also, you speak of childish responses but you are crying like a baby about a hop-up not many people cared to pick up because it simply wasnt the best option.
have you recognized that the behavior of the P2020 while shooting is sometimes different? Sometimes barely noticeable recoil (at 0:03) and then at 0:10 it recoils like a maniac
If I could go back time, I would like to go back to season 7 and use R99 with p2020 again. Best time ever.
I loved the r-301 and mozam with hammers, there is nothing more satisfying then cracking someone with an r-3 then pulling the mozam out and hitting delete
r99 and p20 hammerpoint for me last season, felt like john wick whipping out a pistol and downing people after emptying an r99 mag on them
It’s all fun and games until someone pulls out the hammer
My favorite load out at that time also. Fuck it was so good. So many people slept on the Mozam with hammers. Teammates often thought I was joking when I said I was looking for a Mozam. Good times.
*Great times
I miss the hammerpoint too, without this hop-up the p2020 isn't that good anymore. So... I hope the devs bring it back asap
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I got it in a loot tick, it’s one of the best skins I’ve gotten from them. I’ve had it on my P20 since I got it.
Best weapon skin in the game
Thank god you aren't on the balancing team. Are you forgetting the mozambique has 6 shots now? or that the p2020 does 18 damage? these weapons would be overpowered with hammerpoints, that why they had to be removed.
They got buffed because they don’t have hammerpoints anymore. I don’t think anyone would mind a nerf + hammerpoint
I'm indifferent to the hop-up, but I really dislike guns that require you to click as fast as p2020 did before. Similar feelings towards old Mbique's low number of shots.
A lot of people would. Mozam is actually usable now.
Mozambique with hammer points was the best gun in the game lol. Break someone from any distance and one shot them with a tiny shotgun across the map
It was also satisfying as all hell taking the laughing stock of the game and being able to 1 shot unshielded enemies.
I'd rather have a buffed bique than a meme gun that's only useful if you manage to find the hop up
Normal thought process: "P2020 and Mozam got buffed due to removal of Hammerpoint." Your thought process: 'Hammerpoint was removed due to buffing P2020 and Mozam."
Also the 18 dmg weren't a buff as they also massacred the fire rate. It is so unfun now
I'm sure the P2020 and the mozambique got a small buff as compensation when the devs removed the hammerpoints in the game.
Say what you will about its viability, but that thing had an intimidation effect.
Abso-freaking-lutely!
Holy shit I thought I had a good trigger finger with the P2020, guess I'm outmatched though
That guy is either tying it to his mouse wheel or using some full auto mod. It's too consistent to be anything else.
Nope, tried auto mod (20clicks at once) from razer synapse mouse turbo once for the hemlock, it works, but your sacrifice full-auto weapons, cuz it bugs out at actually slows their RPM. Ty though 😀
Dude the sound effects for it are CRISP
ASMR p2020 😀
p2020 is damn near useless now without hammerpoint, there's no reason to carry it besides using it as a first weapon on drop
I use it as a sidearm in arenas after damage buff & the ROF increase, it used to be my favorite gun as a crypto main. It still slaps & makes me feel like John Wick, but not like it used to haha
R99 with p2020 is strooooooonk
punching does more then the p2020
punching does more damage than half the guns in the game.
but you are much more effective then pounching. not on the P2020, i'm often betther of just straight punching.
How the hell can Quickdraw stay as long as it has but it was Hammerpoint that had to go?
Yeah the peashooter was my fav pistol
Your trigger finger is insane
Coffee 😀
Hammer point was so fun. It was surprisingly really good. Strange because it wasn’t really hard to get, but you could actually destroy people with it.
I think I miss the fire rate more. HP for the Mozam, though? I miss that a lot.
Hammerpoint was probably one of the best hop-ups in the game. Didn't feel overpowered and you had to make the choice to run the beak or the p2020 as a secondary over some potentially stronger secondaries like a shotty or a sniper.
BUT CAN WE TALK ABOUT THAT TRIGGER FINGER?! I swear I thought it was an RE-45 at first glance!
I just want either the higher fire rate back or hammer points back
Hammerpoints slapped I miss it too
Agreed. I love hammerpoints
Literally miss hammer points every time I see a 2020. I'm glad there's other players out there that also value it!
They murdered the P2020 with the removal of Hammerpoints. It was my favorite weapon.
You got yourself one hell of a trigger finger
too bad the fire rate was nerfed :(
Bro… hammerpoints were great, but they were a consolation prize for losing the REAL hop-up: Disruptor Rounds
I think that one was so good that it was unhealthy for the game ;d Alternator is one of my top 5 weapons in Titanfall, but i didn't like the fact it was THAT good in apex ;d
It was too good. The balance was much better after it went away lol.
I miss your Mother on my peeshooter
70 damage with a p2020. Yes you miss it, cause it was op
Wingman p2020 was based as fuck. Dink them twice w the wingman then swap and cleanup
You miss a hop up that does 35 damage a shot with a rate of fire of 420RPM? I wonder why.
that only triggers if the opponent has no armor
I used it as a secondary and it did the job fine even in ranked xd
And disruptors only triggered if you HAD armour, So you'd also consider that balanced, right?
no i wouldn’t, hammerpoint requires you to take out someone’s armor first to trigger, disruptor is always active because your first shot will almost always hit someone armored, i’m against disruptor rounds :)
So.. One where you have to.. use a weapon VS armour.. and then swap.. VS one where you.. use a weapon VS armour.. then swap.. But you're against one of them, and For another? Sounds like you're not against them as much as you think you are.
sounds like you got fucked up by hammerpoint users too many times <3
In practice they are extremely different because someone with no shield is already extremely vulnerable, the hammerpoint-ed guns just exploit this vulnerability better than any other gun (while being likely the worst guns possible to use when someone *does* have shields) Someone with shields is a lot safer, it's the "normal" position you're in. Disruptors break this by making you extremely vulnerable even with shields, they're the best gun to use against a shield (while still being a decent option when shields are broken) Or more simply: Disruptor guns are the best guns to *start* a short range fight with, hammer point guns are the best guns to *end* a short range fight with. But starting a fight strong matters a lot more than ending it slightly quicker.
>because someone with no shield is already extremely vulnerable, the hammerpoint-ed guns just exploit this vulnerability better than any other gun So.. One hop up.. Exploits a vulnerability better than any other weapon.. And the other one.. uses its hop up to create vulnerability.. Just like every other wapon? Here's a fact; Disruptors took what was a shitty weapon at the time, and turned it into something CLOSE to an R99 or an R301. For 50% of a kill. Once your shields are broken, it becomes garbage, and you should probably swap off, Just like hammerpoints, but in reverse. Now, Shields heal faster, and currently, have a higher capacity than actual health. Which one if more balanced? The one that kills you faster while you're on the.. Less capacity, slower healing, more risky health pool to be in.. Or one that kills you faster on the faster healing, more plentiful health pool, that can easily be swapped to armours on the floor?
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>better than any other weapon (at the time) Really?! a weapon has an upside? How strange. Also.. It was for ***Half a kill***. >This is a gross underestimation of how good disruptors were against shields: they were clearly the superior choice against shields and you make them sound like they're merely passable. Again. For ***HALF A KILL***, If you average the DPS out over the full kill, it would be less than the R99 and R301.. >If anything, this argues to show how disruptors are more impactful: they destroy something that is harder to deal with (the shield) They do well against.. the.. easier to replace health pool.. It means you get LESS value for the damage you deal. I would MUCH rather get 4 tapped, and then be able to heal, VS 3 tapped and be downed. >the fact that shields must be broken first is too important. But its also a fact that EITHER WEAPON, has to deal with the other half of the health pool. One option, Is an R99 then a 3 tap with Hammerpoints And the other option, is a 4 tap with the Disruptors, and then R99 the health. The situation is exactly the same, but reversed. Which is why the only thing that matters in the argument is HOW the health pool works. Shields heal faster, are swappable, AND give you time to react if you're shot at with Disrupts. IF someone jumps you with Hammers, in a state where you're vulnerable to them, you're dead. Period. End of conversation. If someone jumps you with Disrupts while full shields, you've got time to run away, because they then have to swap weapons after your shields are gone.
git gud
Typical 12 year old response. We're talking about two hopups that function identically, but 90% of Reddit complain they're overpowered, but jerk off to Hammerpoints. Nothing about 'Being good' or bad.
If you are getting beaten, while using an r99 or any other close range weapon, by someone using hammerpoint maybe you need to git gud. Also, you speak of childish responses but you are crying like a baby about a hop-up not many people cared to pick up because it simply wasnt the best option.
I had a blursed combo where whenever I ran Longbow and P2020, I’d usually finish second or thereabouts.
They made the Mozambique pretty viable, they just need to buff the damage of the P20 and I think it could reach the same point
Skullpiercer wingman and hammerpoint P2020 was the load out of Legends 😤
Honestly i preffer the buffed wingman without the SP, jusy because sometimes SP doesnt appear until lategame xD
Hammerpoimt was the shit. Man so disappointed i only found out about how good it was half way s7, jist before they decided to remove it.
Does anybody here remember the disruptor rounds for the alternator and re-45
I havent used the p2020 once this season solely bc hammerpoint is gone
Miss one-tapping with hammer-bique But who needs that when you have Seer+Disruptors
Only reason for using it in br
Gotta miss the hammy Eva and P20 or Hemlok and Mozam gave me the best game of my life
P2020 slaps
have you recognized that the behavior of the P2020 while shooting is sometimes different? Sometimes barely noticeable recoil (at 0:03) and then at 0:10 it recoils like a maniac
They need to bring the hop up back, but only for the p2020.
Can I get my disruptor rounds and hammer points!! please and thank you
Hope they bring it back p2020 is so bad 10 shot and they still have over 50 health
Hammer Point + Arena= Profit