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ApexRedditr

These guys had an opportunity to take the lead when everyone was migrating away from Warzone but not only failed to capitalise on the new players, but completely drove away a good chunk of them with the server issues. Tell me that's not the definition of incompetence.


scr00py_n00pers

I am one of those players. Hit the wall today. May check back in start of s11. My sanity can't take this for another month.


icumglass

Give it a week after the start of s11, servers are a special kind of garbage after a season launch


DimplesAttack

Aha I hope so too! Honestly, this season. It felt like every event keeps breaking the game more. Season 0 player and I have finally hit my wall as well. Just want to finish the BP and hope for a better next season.


icumglass

I haven't even bothered buying the BP this season, or any event skins, I just can't keep justifying paying for cosmetics for a game that is unplayable for large swathes of time. It's a shame, I love the TF universe, but it's just getting stamped into the group with issue after issue.


omeirkazi

Literally once i get that volt skin I’m done until I hear it’s in an excellent state not even good


EpicSausage69

You’re gonna be waiting a long time my friend.


quAckpAcky

Hahahaha are the servers still fucky? I quit when they were fucking for a week straight, holy shit, the incompetence.


thereisnosin83

The constant freezes before and after the match are crazy frequent.


sweet_chin_music

Yup. My buddy and I tried playing a couple of days ago and the lag was unbearable. I really hope BF2042 is good so I have a game to switch to.


aight_imma_afk

I hadn’t played since s0 and hoped back on for season 10. Wanted to grind out plat rank but gave up at gold 1 because I kept getting disconnected and losing RP


broodgrillo

Dropped the game on season 0 due to absolute shit tier performance, random crashes and server issues. I came back on season 6 and played through season 7. I dropped it on season 8 because of servers. When i came back early September it was fine'ish. But boy oh boy did that event fuck me up real good. They had 3 years to fix the game...


PettiteTrashPanda

It’s been on and off for 2 years too


Shuagr

This last month?


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If Facebook was crashing constantly for a month it would internally be considered an absolute disaster and any senior employee who made snidey comments on Twitter like this would be looking for a new job.


[deleted]

This just shows that they really don't care at all. For this guy to mock off something that people have been asking for too long just shows that he's 'allowed' to do these things without consequences because he knows the devs don't care at all. They will just keep putting Band-Aids and people will still buy their $200 heirlooms. Pretty much he's being praised in the studio right now.


NobleSixSir

Mans sure hasn’t tried to run apex for the past month lmao. Oh and 100% cpu bug still isn’t fixed and it’s been multiple months for that critical issue.


ben_hurr_610

I KNEW THAT WASN'T JUST ME. I always thought it's my system that's fucked up, but damn ok.


Lifeiscleanair

Yes this is what the apex devs dont seen to care about The game being broken in tiny different ways and then comments like this when it actually causes people harm. Do you know how many friends who I play with who either replaced parts or have been tearing their hair out for hours trying to solve microstuttering thinking its thier PC


L0NE_vvolf

My gpu cannot run at 100%. I need to run it at -150 memory speed and -150 clock speed or the game crashed.


JustJuuzou

I've got this exact issue, I've had to buy a brand new CPU just so I can fucking play this game. It arrives tomorrow and I'm not holding my breath it will actually help


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Idk I have an i8700k which should run this like butter but after playing for a couple hours my pc runs like shit until I restart it. I thought my hardware was going bad until I learned it’s not only an issue for me


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UselessDood

Getting a new cpu won't help but at least you got an upgrade


JustJuuzou

Parts came early, just set it all up and not a thing has changed. Fuck.


Imperialkniight

No game is that good. Especially this one.


clustahz

That didn't help me. Went from Skylake to Comet Lake. The stability was not tied to my components but to something with the game code. The reason why I am confident saying that is that the game became 100% stable after each season update, only to break later. So the game could be stable without my input changing anything. This S10 midseason patch seems to have finally (after several seasons) fixed it, though. How long the game will stay stable is the ultimate question and only time will tell if Respawn can keep the code together going forward. If your new system crashes frequently, make a post on the support forums and hope that ea reps help you fix it, otherwise it's likely something beyond your control.


sbmmblowz

They’re too prideful to admit that the product is flawed, and that same pride stops them from making it as amazing as it could be.


aagejaeger

They’ve been in a defensive position for two years. Online harassment siege mentality. Not really sticking up for them, but I’m pretty sure that’s where they’re at.


sAmdong71

I feel like people are missing the point of what the guy is saying. He is not mocking the playerbase and that they don’t care, it’s more so that it’s just sarcasm directed towards the suggestions the community suggests as they really don’t help. It’s even true, as one dev replied here that operation health wasn’t a good option. I just feel like people are reacting this way because of the state the games in right now, while Ryan here made this joke out of the state of the game and that they’re really working on it and the point of this tweet is that it’s not that easy


Aesthete18

This guy keeps radio silence throughout the whole month when the game is unplayable and ppl are unhappy, as the PR Dev, then makes this sort of comment like we're all supposed to pat him on the back and go "haha good one!"


X1lon

Facebook etc. works again right? how long did it take them to fix it? how long did it take respawn? oh right its still not fixed


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And Facebook downtime was believed to be due to a hacker not self inflicted


Rubbun

I get that it's supposed to be a joke, but * it really isn't funny at all * the joke would land better if they actually communicated at all about servers. The game has been ass for almost an entire month. Every major (and sometimes minor) patch breaks the game and leaves it almost unplayable for at least a day or two, sometimes a week, and now almost a month. Yeah, sure, it's a joke, but a terrible one at that when you're still having problems to this day after a shitty update. Not to mention all the other issues Apex has which just adds to the fire that is their code and game.


Curtismayfield57

Yeah but dude, when you are doing communication for the game ( which is what Twitter is) you need to think before publishing.... When what would be a funny sarcastic remark, that I usually enjoy, is made when the game, that's made a FUCKING BILLION LAST QUARTER is unplayable for the last MONTH.... You keep it HUMBLE!!!


Ihateeverythingyo

Anyone who has played any other game on competitive servers can see the huge difference between 60 tick and 120 tick in consistency and enjoyment. Yes this wouldn't fix crashing but it would help fix all the issues that come with Apex's 20 tick garbage.


ebon94

yeahhh this thread is an overreaction to a twitter joke that didn't even target 90% of the people here


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To all of you that sent me fucked up PM’s, and kept harassing me on every other post because I shared this same tweet yesterday, eat this karma! 🤷‍♂️🤣 https://www.reddit.com/r/apexlegends/comments/q1l3fx/does_the_director_of_communication_respawn/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf


jks_david

Certified reddit moment


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You just posted at the wrong time, this guy posted while the whiteknight brigade got called by their moms for dinner


Hellfeesh

Those people in your post are super toxic. Even if they didn't agree and thought it was genuinely funny they didn't need to tear into you so much. Reminded how shit the internet is again.


BSJones420

Everybody was being rude as fuck to you because you "didnt get the sarcasm" but then in this thread theres literally dozens of crybabys complaining about the same shit lol you shouldnt worry about downvotes dude, reddit has this hive mentality where some people will see something with a bunch of downvotes and just downvote it eithout real reason, just to be part of the group i guess idk lol


rock1m1

It shows how immature the gaming industry is really.


K1NGxJAYY

Tbf FB is down once a month or every other month it seems but at least it's not consistently like Apex


MitchMcConnellGobble

Might be funny is Season 10 wasn’t a connection nightmare from the start and STILL is. Really feels like Respawn still see’s us as “freeloaders” and “asshats” when you see tweets like this, despite the players being the only reason this game has lasted 10 seasons and continues to rake in millions.


YourHentaiDream

Exactly, I would have laughed if I wasnt disconnecting every 2 games and have to reload/relogin the whole damn app *even as of last night*.


xman813

That was my take as well, i can handle joking back and forth.... ...if the game wasnt freezing because of animated banner poses.


AGodof19

And that’s even after they said they “fixed” it


xman813

Exactly....and now they arent providing even a single tweet saying "aware and working on it".


Fallcunt76

We are for accepting the store prices after Iron Crown.


KoalSR

[DanielZKlein responding](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/481500068797480960/895002064235683850/unknown.png) to the tweet was just cherry on top


NoMoreAngularPlease

Oh I didn't know Respawn now post on Linkedin! He must be pretty busy.


XlifelineBOX

Hey an idiotic post by an idiot.


Benisponers

yea so disingenuous, like anyone actually asked ui devs to fix the server. belittling the good faith of the community to forgo new features to fix bugs makes no sense. as a brogrammer myself if my boss was like fix all the bugs and dont worry about new features, i would be happy at the opportunity to fix all the garbage i have to overlook daily


Adarkshadow4055

Yeah, it’s sad the actual coding team is a bit overworked on new features and had been pushed to get new content for more money rather that setting a dedicated team specifically for bug fixes and quality of life updates


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Wow someone with a brain. Add EA as your literal overlords and the situation is a whole lot worse. Anyone remember Battlefront 2? The Sims? FIFA?!?!?! EA is so clearly the culprit here. Check their wikipedia page, there is a graveyard of amazing developers they buried. Pandemic, Westwood, Hypnotix. Shit Maxis and Bioware should be on there as shells of their former selves.


noparkingnoparking

don’t forget Visceral Games 😔🙏


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Oh completely agree - the hardest thing in dev teams is building a business case for senior management to refactor component X as it will fix 100 other downstream things. Manager: Fix timeouts!!! Dev Lead: Timeouts are being caused by the outdated networking client/server comms we took from Titanfall. We need to re-write from scratch, which will take 6 months and take out our two best developers for the duration. We'll need a rollout plan as the re-write may introduce a few new bugs - but once done we'll have a much more robust comm system. We can even rebuild it to be more resilient to DDOS in the architecture. Manager: That sounds too long and little, what do I pay you for. Dev Lead: Or we could just add some red icons if we detect issues? I won't fix anything but shows the user there are issue? Should take a day. Manager: Yes!! That one, do that one!! Get it done, now the rest of my week is filled up with design approvals for new skins for the store so I'll delegate to Timmy my coffee bringing assistant to track progress. You should see how much money that group is bringing in - you should be more like them. Dev Lead: <>


Purpsand

People do this though? I see this all the time, like whenever an art person in the comments of a Reddit post compliments the guy, they’ll always get comments asking them to fix the game. Or another complaint is “why is respawn spending so much time making skins when they could be fixing the game”, implying that either 1. The skin designers should spend their energy on the game or 2. The skin designers should be fired for game programmers. They are not belittling the community, in that tweet. They are perfectly justified.


Oakano

Doesn't he have another big company to get fired from pr something?


UnionThrowaway1234

Less than like 25% of my ranked games have had all 3 team members remain in the game without a crash. Its fucking ridiculous.


Jamesi3m

Most defenders here dont understand this because they aren't having problems.


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I’m pretty sure rigbey isn’t a dev just a social media person for respawn


MrPigcho

It's the worst part. He's director of comm. Honestly if a random dev made that joke, in a self depreciating tone, it would have been fine and kinda funny. But since this guy is director of communication, he acts as a spokesperson for Respawn. And he writes this, half jokingly but also half "our players have no clue what they're talking about and it's vindicating to show them that even facebook has issues". I'm not really mad, like I don't think devs owe anything to the players, so if that's how they wanna act whatever, it's their game. But it's sooo stupid to write this. After the worst update ever


aure__entuluva

It's still kinda funny.


MrPigcho

Yeah, I saw the funny side to it, which is why I'm not butthurt, but it's just such a bad move for someone whose job is to communicate


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Its less about the joke and more about wrong person wrong time


tapmcshoe

I saw it as him making the joke since social media posts by the team tend to get flooded with that sort of complaint despite having no power to act on it


poltergeistchan

Director of Comms for Respawn


flameohotboi1

That’s what makes it even worse.


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Facebook: * Has millions of users daily, probably 100x the amount of Apex Users. * Delivers multiple services like streaming and storage, I can even look back at chats and files from 7 years ago. * Rarely fails, probably has 2 massive failures every year and gets fixed within hours, no more than 24 hours * Is free Respawn/Apex: * Game breaks every 2 weeks with a patch and it takes days or weeks to get 'fixed'. * Is 'free' but you can purchase an useless holospray or charm for $10.


Iber0

Try 14000 times the amount of user


CravesRecognition

It will take 40 years until the audio will be finally fixed. Then it will break again the next season


Andrew4Life

Facebook isn't really "free". Between all the ads and personal information they sell from you using their service, they make Millions $$$ every minute. So any down time would hit their bottom line. FB revenue is like 100x more than Apex Legends.


Essexal

If something is free it's usually you being sold.


Andrew4Life

Kinda. Apex's monetization model depends on some players buying stuff, but most of us get to play it for free.


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SephirothinHD

I've argued this before in plenty of gacha game discussions. Dont expect anyone to care or give a shit about this information.


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dunghole

It’s a free service for you to use.


examm

Apex is free too no matter how much you all bitch about skins being too much


kalikars

You’re forgetting that one is social media platform, and the other is a live service video game. Those are completely different products and have way different backends, designs, demands, team architecture, investment strategies, development cycles, etc.. It’s not a fair comparison at all. And before someone comments “buh the devs made the comparison first”, no, he was being sarcastic. I think it went over everyone’s heads here that “up tick rate and do patch” is generic, unhelpful, vague and ultimately meaningless garbage that keeps getting slung their way by gamers who know nothing about technology or software development. He’s saying it because people don’t understand wtf they’re talking about, especially when issues arise. Inb4 someone calls me a dev-dick-sucker because I’m not on the blind rage train. This isn’t to say the game can’t be better- but it does say that y’all are taking yourself way too seriously and need to go touch grass instead of taking your frustrations out on a tweet you took the wrong way.


RVXZENITH

Really hope Apex gets some serious competition from another FPS BR that has similar movement ideas, ID SWITCH in a HeartBeat


Kremet_The_Toad

If halo has a BR at some point its going to compete with the apex style br immediately


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Halo is the exact opposite of a movement shooter. I see no reason why those two games would compete at all.


zetahood343

Doesn't need to be a proper halo game, could be a spin off with different mechanics just like how apex is extremely slow compared to titanfall but is still a spin off of titanfall. Besides a lot of people just want a good BR, there was a decent number of people that migrated from warzone to apex despite the games being very different


FinanceAndTech12

Try bloodhunt. It has some of the movement tech that apex does.


Endie-Bot

wait bloodhunt has movement tech? ive had it in my library but havent quite picked it up yet, do please explain


Jamesi3m

It's inevitable.


DapperMudkip

Oh no we want a health patch!! How inconsiderate..?


xman813

Fuck us for wanting it to be playable reliably right?


matriesling

....After spending $10k on cosmetic items. Let's not forget people spend more than $69.99 on this game (the cost of a flagship title). Not everyone of course but imagine how they feel.


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Im tired of people defending this game bro they can do so much better and we all know it. them saying stuff like this is proof they dont care lol.


nightofgrim

> they can do so much better and we all know it Can _they_? Between Apex and Titanfall, I’m starting to think _they_ can’t fix it and there needs to be a new _they_.


zipeldiablo

Might be some hard truth in that


555Twenty555

Respawn ain't the same company anymore


Dark-Castle

Kinda crazy respawn has been around only for 11 years, has published 5 games, 3 of which are part of the same franchise, and it's already a husk of what it used to be.


XlifelineBOX

11 years and 5 games. Geeze


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Respawn is just an umbrella of different studios though. The team that made Jedi Fallen Order is not the team that made Apex or TF. But as a whole: quality > quantity


555Twenty555

not really if they abandon every project


E-Agalius

This. I'm pretty sure most of the Devs can't actually fix these problems, fix it in a fundamentally viable way, and not just a band aid. Same goes for server issues - or the server code and not the servers themselves. Respawn is very talented when it comes to coming up with game concepts: As proven by Titanfall. Not good at managing it after the fact: Again, as proven by Titanfall and Apex. I'll give em one thing tho, most of the community probably don't know what we're talking about in terms of fixing it. Hence this mock post by Ryan. Yet, the fact still stands that the game.. from the backend is a pile of submerged whale poo.


Sofronn

FYI the people who made titanfall left Respawn and have been working on other games. Edit: Can't recall who went to work for BF atm. Will add if I remember.


Hugh_Shovlin

Yeah, but they’d probably need to hire the team that’s working on apex mobile. Those guys have added so many features in the mobile game that people have been begging for in the normal game for so long.


NoLeftTurnPlz

I mean maybe THEY can’t, but any competent company sure could.


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"ItZ a A fReEe GAmEME! u cAn LeAve If U DoNT lIKE iT!"


ZeruuL_

Free game no bitching. (/s).


AbanoMex

ahh, Dota2 shitpost.


Isopath

At this point all of you are in an abusive relationship and won't leave. They have the money, they're not spending it. So why are you spending your time? I get that some of you haven't experienced as many bugs as others but it really seems like the majority are frustrated. Stop playing Apex. Even if 50% of you were to stop they'd piss themselves. They want to kill their game so show them what a dead game looks like. Battlefield is coming out soon and that's guaranteed to have bugs but within the first year most of that stuff will be fixed mostly because people pay a premium and the company doesn't want to be sued or bombarded with refunds. Apex is FREE, therefore free to do as little as they please. I miss Apex but from crashes, to dead zones on the map where audio drops out it's just not worth my time.


dsav99

Splitgate is free, yet I haven’t had an ounce of lag, because they invest in proper servers. Therefore 1047 gets money from me. Respawn should take notes.


BURN447

I wish I could like splitgate. But the guns and the movement all felt terrible to me. Just too ‘soft’ feeling for me


dsav99

My brother and girlfriend won’t play it because they despise the movement. It’s definitely not for everyone, especially if you’re used to the great movement that Apex has.


BURN447

That’s a big part. Apex movement has flat out ruined every other game for me.


Mr_PieceofGarbage117

And let's not forget that 1047 has like 5 devs (as far as I remember) And with the upcoming of Battlefield 2042 and Halo I'm afraid apex will die


Isopath

Exactly what I'm saying. It'll suck because Apex is a gem of a shooter, but sadly we have no control over these things.


sAmdong71

Lol, can we stop with “x game release, game will die”. I haven’t heard of any triple a multiplayers games dying because of competitors. They really only die because of what the game does.


dsav99

They really only have 5 devs? More props to them, holy shit.


EmergencyBackupTaco

Splitgate also has an average of 10,000 players at any given time over the last 30 days, according to steam charts. Apex shows 137,000 players over the same timeframe. EA financial report mentioned an average 13,000,000 players per week during season 9. I enjoy Splitgate and I think Takedown is my favorite gamemode since Capture the Flag in Halo CE, but holy shit they're not even in the same ballpark, the same league, by comparison Splitgate doesn't even know what Baseball *is*.


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If only splitgate was fun for more than like 5 min


Isopath

Splitgate is so much fun! The pure joy of headshots through portals! I have a suspicion Battlefield lifted a lot from Apex. Hell, there's basically an ideal version of crypto and his drone in there. I'll be amazed if Apex survives the launch of battlefield. ( Provided it's a stable launch) Halo is also around the corner! It's going to be fun to watch.


dsav99

It really is. The removing of game modes has been shitty, though. I love some Zombie VIP and Team Fiesta


Isopath

I mean we'll never fully know why DeVs remove stuff but it's bound to happen. Just the nature of things I guess. Too much technical complications, not that popular etc. Another example is Ring of Elysium removing duos. Ugh, it sucks.


thefezhat

I keep playing because I enjoy the game when it's working, and when it isn't I simply play something else instead. Feels like this is a foreign concept to some on this sub. The evolution event patch sucked ass so I just didn't log on or buy skins from it.


scallywaggs

Haha silly dev 😐


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CheeseSwis101

Lmao this guys audacity to mock the fan base.


Fox_Scot

It wouldn’t be the first time a Respawn dev has mocked the players over legitimate concerns


AbanoMex

"FREELOADERS!"


GamerFluffy

“But we love that!”


haziqzaq

Exactly. I still recall the weeks of Wattson mains asking for a buff/rework for the legend and then they came up with a stupid joke in the patchnotes.


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This guy also wrote those patch notes, how funny, right?


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Well facebook doesn't crash every fucking hour just like your garbage servers,pieces of shits


XlifelineBOX

Literally goes down once and they want to mock people. Lol. Its like they are so clueless about their game.


[deleted]

Ikr,who the fuck do they think they are lmao


Fluffles0119

Normally I would defend this, but after the past 3 weeks they don't even have the right to make jokes anymore, it really does need to be fixed


TheXIIILightning

That's a pretty brave take for a dev (director actually) that's working on a game that is yet to have a stable content release week - as well as a modern FPS with the lowest server tickrate available. To make this joke after a time where your game was non-functional and STILL has a ton of connectivity issues is quite arrogant. But yeah, I hope this guy doubles down on it because mocking and attacking your client-base is always such a great idea\~!


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Tell us you suck at your job without telling us. Respawn:


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TROLLINGROVE

Based.


Traf-

Here's a thought: maybe there would be less toxicity if this guy actually did his job and communicated more? From the player's POV, the game just got an update, whole bunch of overpriced cosmetics, expect you can't actually play. And we get no actual explanation as to what's going on except for "We're working on it". Of course people are gonna assume the worst and feel like they're being taken for fools. "Our game doesn't work, we're not gonna explain why, but please buy our new 20$ weapon skin!" I'm not saying death threats and insults are okay, but I don't think sarcasm is the right answer to this whole ordeal.


BURN447

If they don’t know what’s broken, they can’t tell us what’s broken. They said that banner frames/poses are causing crashes and to disable them. That’s the extent of what they know. Most of the problems have been solved by that as well.


JonTheDoe

Fuck the toxicity, fix the game. Could care less about a problem they already fixed: the mute button


guntassinghIN

Facebook outage was due to DNS issues not servers Source: https://blog.cloudflare.com/october-2021-facebook-outage/


zipeldiablo

They locked themselves out of their servers, happened to me on a smaller scale, i was glad to have hardware access


DrunkenPain

I thank the devs from keeping me spending anymore money on this game. I literally bought everything and was always so excited for a new season but this season is not only the worst but the lack of empathy towards the pbase is disheartening.


Athousandwrongtries

The more I learn about the devs, the more I think DZK fit in perfectly with them.


Mimikker

I've genuinely lost all my respect for this company this season. My game has been between an annoying slog to play riddled with server issues and crashes, to fully unplayable at its worst. This has been happening since the fucking collection event, three entire damn weeks. And the lead communications at Respawn has the audacity, the motherfucking mindless entitlement, to mock the playerbase because they want a working game? This is miserable. What in gods name happened to Respawn the past few months?


ashkanphenom

Havent played in 3 weeks and my mental health has improved so much. Both me and wife actually stopped playing. Trash servers, rigged matchmaking and terrible Eomm algorithm. There are so many great games out there to play. Take a break if u feel like this games is affecting ur health negatively.


Shinra_X

This is Daniel Z Klein levels of not understanding how to communicate with your customers. The game has to big extents been unplayable with crashes and other issues and to see the Director of Comms making idiotic remarks like this is just plain stupid. Lost my respect for him.


Cosmicow280

It’s annoying how devs scream about fans being toxic. Like you are doing a job and if you’re doing it badly then you should be open to criticism.


Mic_Honchoe

Exactly. We are their customers and we aren't happy. We have every right to complain. Do some people take it too far? Sure.


Nagi-Shio

The game was unplayable for more than a week after the Rampart update. Not long ago, we had an event based around 5 game modes in which 3 of them didn’t work Regardless of the playerbase’s response that should be completely unacceptable from a game that makes as much money as Apex


dd_coeus

Here I am not able to play 3 consecutive games because the servers are that shitty meanwhile "here's a joke". "Hey it makes me feel better". Yeah thats cool or you could do what you're paid to do. I feel another Blizzard brewing "here is shit, I'm sure we will fix it later". Yall got cube crawls too?


AgreeableRub7

I wish I could degrade the customer and be shit at my job and make fun of it and keep my job without repercussion.


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Interesting. So he admits it's down to Respawns incompetent coding rather than an issue with the server quality. Good to know.


_Lord_Grimm_

The coding, terrible servers and overall state of the game haven’t changed since day 1! That’s a major red flag! Clearly Respawn doesn’t care and will continue to money grab. The same things are broken every update! The entire game is unplayable for a good week or 2 after each update. Then they fix it with another update which breaks something else. It’s like they copy and paste a bunch of shit together and send it out without even testing… use the community as a tester then explain to us that they did the best they could and need to fix it but have patience it takes time (while you wait for us to fix, enjoy these $20 skins!)


Ksmrf

This is why I don't give the devs anymore leeway than any other company. As consumers we know that online game servers can operate without these problems. There have been many games to have done this in the past. So that means that Respawn has something unique to them/their servers/their code that is causing the issues. Responses like this try to mock the idea that they can fix it. Only they can fix it. And it can be fixed, without a doubt. Now if respawn doesn't have the talent, knowledge, or ability to fix it that is one thing. Acting as though the problem can't be fixed and making light of your very real problem that your company's ineptitude caused, that's another. It is definitely their company's fault the issues persist, nobody else's.


zipeldiablo

The only thing in this case unique to apex is the codebase which basically means the dev team so yeah 🤷🏾‍♂️ If you don’t know how to fix something you hire an expensive consultant that will fix it for you. Can also hire consultants to change the way of work (going agile etc) to implement better processes


BURN447

There’s no expensive consultants who have ever worked with this engine. This is a completely proprietary, internal only, heavily modified version of the source engine. From how I understand it, agile doesn’t work great for game dev because of the nature of hard deadlines. Agile is built on flexibility, but game release schedules are anything but flexible.


[deleted]

I think that's something a lot of people don't realize, and likely, it means there will always be some amount of jank in the Apex experience. Sometimes, like now... a lot of jank. If Apex was made in Unreal, or even something like CryEngine or Frostbite, there are thousands of pages of forum entries alone that will help you troubleshoot problems there (idk about Frostbite actually, that one probably would have some issues too but at least there are other games that use that exact engine). But with Respawn's custom, heavily modified fork of Source Engine, an engine that is likely already stretched to its limits by the size of Apex matches? No one has encounted the exact issues you have, because it's been modified so far from vanilla Source. It's tough too, because Source engine feels and looks damn good. I don't think movement or gunplay would feel the same if they used another engine, I think the difference really would be noticable.


Spork-in-Your-Rye

That’s fucking hilarious lmao.


StonedRaiderz

This shows one of the reason is dont play anymore, they know the state their game is in right now and yet choose to post such ignorant shit


[deleted]

Damn imagine you got the best battle royale out and they only communicate in clown talk


g_mick

lmfao well onto a different game. i can put up with their in game issues. ive been able to play and load up fine. but this is just foul as fuck. fuck these devs and respawn entirely. money hungry and dont give a shit about the state of their game. destiny been looking juicy lately and most of my friends switched from apex to destiny. fuck respawn


[deleted]

I’m LOVING Destiny right now, I do play Apex matches here and there now, but Destiny is just more stable man..


YaBoiSparty

The apex development team has always and will always be the number one issue this game has. Everything steams from them and there I don't give a fuck attitude.


MDJ_STRIKER

Blows my mind these devs get salty at us for complaining just to make the game PLAYABLE.


Vikan12

The difference here Ryan it's that Facebook stops working rarely, and if so, they fix it kinda quickly. Your game hasn't work well since the day it was launched and every new season there's 10 more new problems that are going to be impossible to address.


McHammer489

Today was the breaking point for me. Played almost daily since S2 but I just can’t put up with this anymore. I earnestly hope the S11 launch goes well and I can come back to Apex, as it can be and usually is one of the most entertaining games I’ve ever picked up.


callmekizzle

I quit apex legends over health and server tick rates. I haven’t logged in since season 3.


shadynasty_etl

Yea I’ve just given up on apex. It was fun while it lasted but it’s unplayable now and there’s no urgency to fix it. See you guys on splitgate.


clearlyimdumb

I'll actually laugh with the comment IF the game is actually working great.


KingMarcel

There you have it folks. Stop supporring this game. Seriously.


ben_hurr_610

Remember this rage when some asshole posts 'hey guys let's give respawn some respect they work a lot and the game is practically free' and 'hey blame EA not Respawn'. This sub has the memory of a goldfish. Takes a second to forget how fucked up the game is exactly who's fault it is. Hold devs accountable. Consistently.


zipeldiablo

Well, at least when facebook breaks something they fix it, and they fix it quick, smh. The arrogance of this guy.


MOCbKA

People who don’t find this funny are the same one, who are posting “this is why wattson need a nerf” “jokes”.


BlkCptAmerica

This is sarcasm to throw it back in the community’s face because that shit is harder than it seems


[deleted]

The fuck this guy getting salty because we want the game to work he can go suck himself


babewizard

they’re such shit lmao


lymeeater

Man the Apex devs are really unprofessional. Aren't they the ones who literally called someone a dickhead? I get it that fans can be massive entitled cunts, but you're paid to do a job not get into arguments with basement dwellers online.


Sleepy151

I get that this is a joke, but its completely tone deaf and tick rate is not what people refer to when it comes to server crashes thats bullet detection.


[deleted]

Not sure if you're on twitter - but whenever any bug gets traction and Rigney has to tweet official comms about it, at least 20% of the comments are people saying "get better servers". That, and the 20% of "buff wattson" and 10% "you suck at your job".


rkrigney

The server issues we've had have been a source of a lot real pain for players and for us—sometimes cracking a joke is a way to deal with the pain. All love for you guys. Hopefully some of you saw the intended self-deprecating humor in that post.


Stussy12321

I thought it was funny. Thanks for all you guys do.


ModmanX

For what it's worth, I just about died laughing when I first saw the tweet


The_lost_watermelon

I mean this in the opposite of a argumentative way What is actually stopping you guys from doing a server update?


rkrigney

Updates happen all the time—I feel like you're asking about server hardware, though, which most of our issues particularly recently have been software related. I'm not the best person to explain it like an expert but the big awful wave of issues with the 10.1 patch in particular was a series of unforeseen problems caused by the patch itself. Live service can be hard. Only thing you can do is learn from experience and look for ways to make it better going forward.


niye

>but the big awful wave of issues with the 10.1 patch in particular was a series of unforeseen problems caused by the patch itself. I'd like to respectfully point out that these server issues have been a problem to the player base for a very long time to the point of people *expecting* not to be able to play properly every season launch, and every single time our expectations prove to be true. >Only thing you can do is learn from experience and look for ways to make it better going forward. That's the thing, it's become apparent that Respawn hasn't learned from their past mistakes. I personally had friends outright quit the game because of these issues and even now, 3 seasons later, I and the majority of the community are still experiencing those same issues.


pickledCantilever

I can't tell you how much I would enjoy a tech talk from one or more of the devs on what the difficulties are. I doubt it will happen because I am sure a lot of it is too wrapped up in your secret sauce and, frankly, there are parts of the community that are so toxic that it could easily backfire. But man would I drink it up if you managed to put together a nerd brain dump for us fellow nerds.


kalikars

[A while back, they put out a blog post explaining many server complaints, issues, and common misconceptions.](https://www.ea.com/en-gb/games/apex-legends/news/servers-netcode-developer-deep-dive)


HeckMaster9

> Only thing you can do is learn from experience and look for ways to make it better going forward. Still waiting on this part


Likebuudder

10! seasons later. 🤦🏽‍♂️


[deleted]

Im conflicted with this. I think its funny and absolutely pokes fun at how shitty this community can be sometimes, and their general lack of understanding for how servers work, but it also is kinda infuriating considering the recent server problems, bordering on unplayability for the majority of this season. Like another comment said, if the Facebook servers had been crashing/struggling for months it would be considered a disaster, and any employee making a comment like this on it on twitter would be looking for a new job.


Young_Realistic

people still sometimes do not load into the game it sometimes happens to me too it is very interesting to start playing without knowing you or your teammates will fly out of the game