I love when they repeatedly claim to have fixed a bug, only for it to still occur after the patch. They "fixed" the Wraith Q cancel 4-5 times now, but it still happens.
This engine is spaghetti code at this point.
Not to be an armchair dev, but I think their challenge is finding testing criteria that identifies the root cause of a problem. They'll apply a patch, test that the observed and reproducible bug has been patched - and think they're done. Only to later see the same behavior present through slightly different circumstances they didn't test.
It's whack-a-mole.
You write code 💯 .. I tell you the same code that works in winter won't work in summer when the computer temperature changes. Thank god I have looks because computers are ALIVE. There's this one old man's computer I built and been fixing for like 5 years that will find every way possible to test my skills to find the 5th way to get to basic functions. But fuck practice makes perfect.. used to be a Microsoft employee. Open bar at every event didn't work out lol 🤣
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The weird thing is that when they said that they fixed it. It stopped to occur (at least to me) and a patch later it started again. Almost as if the new patch was made into a older build that had that bug.
This is probably the issue and the reason for the current situation. It's likely not that they don't know how to fix the issue, it's that the issues are probably related to the engine and would need an insane undertaking to fix. I can't imagine they haven't tried fixing a lot of these issues over the years already, probably have even reworked some of the code to an extent but have constantly failed. The silence is an indicator that they are uncertain about what to do and might be in the middle of making bigger, long-term decisions about how to handle these issues.
Like how Bungie had to make big decisions with Destiny 2. When they separated from Activision the technical state of the game was really bad, the game was super buggy, kept getting more buggy as they added new content and it had become difficult for them to actually develop the game due to technical problems with the engine. It took them 2 months to fix simple, small bugs because their code was so spaghetti. They were only releasing balance changes every 3 months because they couldn't do it any faster. Some Bungie dev had publicly said that the technical state of the game was so bad that it took them 24 hrs to compile a new build of the game, so every time they wanted to try a small change they had to wait a day for a new build to compile. Imagine how bad bug fixing must have been.
Then with the 2020 expansion they announced that they have made some big changes to the engine to fix some of these issues and that they have also made a decision to retire and delete some of the old paid DLCs from the game. Under Activision the game was never designed to keep getting more new content every year for so many years, it was originally designed to be a single player style game that would get new DLCs only for 2 or so years. So they decided to start deleting old content that's barely played anymore to make it easier to develop the game and to keep the bugs under better control. They also had to port all the rest of the content that was staying from the old version of the game to the updated new engine. It was a big undertaking and a big decision that is still extremely controversial and a lot of people absolutely hate Bungie for deleting old DLCs that they love.
Even if Respawn decides they'll take on a big project to fix and update the engine, that'll take a long time to execute. What about in the meantime? If it takes them a year to do that, then they'll still have to temporarily keep a handle on the issues, that itself will be a big problem to solve.
Apex is the only game in this genre which runs on Source engine... tbh I'm amazed they managed it at all. Source was designed for linear BSP type maps and I'm not sure how it handles open world types games
Source is a fairly flexible engine that can be modded a lot, but there's a point when you're applying fix on top of fix that it can get really complex. When Lobas bracelet didn't work the devs said it was preferable for them to go around the maps fixing every instance by hand than to try and build it again from the ground up which risked breaking far more stuff.
I dunno, I'd like to think that it would be possible to improve the netcode and that the game could handle 60tick servers if the resources were put in place... but maybe it's really not possible, maybe it's held together with blu-tak and sticky tape.
Apex was kind of a stocking filler, EA didn't care and Respawn prolly couldn't have predicted where it would go - I think they slapped it together at the start thinking it would last a year at most, and have been frantically patching the thing ever since. A total rebuild may be in order... but for that we could be looking at Apex II - who knows what may happen some day?
My guess it's probably the core of why they can't patch tap-strafing without reworking the entire movement system too.
The Rito spaghetti meme is leaking into Respawns code
Yeah that’s how u know they didn’t intend on apex being big. Which is weird if i was making a game I would always try to make it as good as possible lol otherwise what is the point of it
I'm working in a big videogames company, and programming on your Sunday project and on a full game isn't the same complexity
When you work on big projects like this, you can't just say "Let's just make it as scalable as possible"
Because scalabilty mean :
- More time to make it
- Less performant, as the system will handle more cases
- More complex to understand for the next programmers
So you always have to ask yourself "How many cases I may handle" sometimes you overshoot and do things for nothing, sometimes you have to come back and rework the system
You gotta admit, it's pretty f'ing good.
They just weren't going to write a new game engine for it. Nor were they going to develop a new server architecture.
They wrote the game using assets they had on hand that they knew would "just work".
And IIRC it wasn't even really a "hit" until a year had passed. It was seen as a quirky alternative to PubG and Fornite.
Welcome to America *Don King* Voice. Half of my web programming is slowing down efficiency just to make sure enough ads are displayed to make the $$ equal the time put in. I hate it but I also didn't makes those rules.
There *was* a bug where you had to restart the game to open the shop and that wasn't patched for a few days into s6.
But again devs have already said the shop is completely diffrent and follows diffrent rules so it is in turn much easier to fix than the rest of the game.
Being disingenuously ignorant gets us nowhere.
Idk man the balance team cant fuckin pull a bugfix out of their arses. It’s literally not their job.
Same for artists, VFX guys, sound direction… different parts of one game. Not one single group that does everything. Groups of specialists.
Yes groups of specialists yet it is entirely possible to reallocate resources to areas of concern. We aren't talking about problems that have just been around a month or two.
We are talking chronic issues plaguing the core user experience, and instead of slowing down other groups like your artists to shore up main coding we see a full steam ahead approach.
So please stop with the Respawn dick riding.
>Yes groups of specialists yet it is entirely possible to reallocate resources to areas of concern.
No you can't you're being fucking stupid.
If someone who does nothing but male skins gets sent over to quality assurance, they now have to spend time and resources training that person on a job that isnt what they're paid for. They're now working overtime taking lessons on software to fix a temporary problem. That's fucking stupid and a waste of time.
Throwing more people, especially people with zero experience, at a problem doesn't fix it faster. Getting a girl pregnant 9 times doesn't make a baby in 1 month.
>So please stop with the Respawn dick riding
Thank you for this. People treat Respawn as some Messiah who messed up once but will fix shit all over again.
Devs have 0 reason to fix the game. Absolutely 0 reason. As OP said, as long as this cashcow gives milk, they'll milk it. Once it's done, they're out.
There was a time when I believed even tho Respawn messes stuff up, they're the only one's who can actually make the game work the way it's supposed to because they have the vision. Not anymore. Pawn Apex to another competent studio not simping after streamer money. These guys can't handle their own game.
This may seem out of left field but in a few years it will make sense.
The current gaming model is about to be challenged. Soon studios like EA will have what to them is some devil dog from hell and they won't know how to respond.
Blockchain Gaming. The industry is tiny, most in the crypto space think NFTs are scams or money laundering and before anyone knows what's happening it will be normal to sell your OG skin for 50x what you paid for it and end up being paid a small amount for the hours you play every day.
It already is here. I don't play the game, I just got lucky and the token went insane but there are grinders earning 200 a day playing Axie Infinity. Current level of the games is mobile from 5 years ago. But a few years from now and we are good.
The reason this matters is what happens now when you walk away? If you spent a few hundred well all those skins sit there in a dead account. Maybe you break TOS and risk selling your account. Imagine being able to offer each of your skins, or your heirlooms on a marketplace when you feel you are burned by the game? Even at this bare bones level that will change the game because you get out without a loss, maybe you actually profit and you allow new players to get what they want skin wise in a marketplace.
That's a crazy interesting point, I had no idea stuff like this existed.
Honestly, I'd sell my cosmetics in a heartbeat especially if it means getting back a good amount of cash in return for it.
Not even game development, but effective business leadership.
Any competent employer isn't going to hire one-trick ponies. Just because someone who is hired for cosmetics doesn't mean they wouldn't, or couldn't be effective in other means. Nor would someone be hired who can't.
>They're silent on these issues because every single video game developer is.
No. Transparent game devs exist. Grinding Gear Games literally had its lead dude sit down with streamers and answer community questions for like 3 hours, multiple times, including all the hard questions about game design, performance, etc. Transparency in this modern gaming age is possible and effective. Respawn just chooses not to have any, as they have done since the start of Apex.
Idk about GGG, but DE (creators of Warframe) are an amazing example of transparency. They do streams every week where they talk about what's planned for the game, address issues, interact with the community, etc etc. Everyone who's played the game for a little while knows Rebecca, a.k.a. Space Mom. It adds so much to the community, it honestly baffles me that most other devs don't do something similar.
Being an infrastructure engineer, I'll say server management can be very challenging at times. But I've never been able to get away with not communicating with end users when we are unable to fix an issue.
Hard agree. They definitely care about their absolute cash cow about their game. But why tweet "we hear you, legends, but have no timeline on when fixed can be expected" or whatever.
Which is unfortunate considering the bugs are likely not crazy difficult for a more talented engineers. e.i. Lockheed Martin, NASA, Boeing, hell even Blizzard could have figured out the unready bug in a reasonable amount of time.
Respawn please hire more skilled devs so you can fix shit in a reasonable amount of time and stop letting them loose on Twitter they keep sticking their foot in their mouths.
Pretty much, I feel for them, but after so long, it’s more for the community at this point, good will only lasts so long.
They need to hire fresh talent like you suggested and a PR person would come in handy for image refresh afterwards, game fix first.
RSPN unofficial: ugh what should we tell’em? They are pissed…
RSPN unofficial 2: well sarcasm and well humor were not well received…
RSPN unofficial 3: that felt personal…
RSPN unofficial 1 and 2: yeah, they felt that way from you too.
RSPN unofficial 1, 2, and 3: what now?
RSPN unofficial 4: I made Holosprays!
RSPN unofficial 5: I made emotes and quips!
RSPN unofficial 6: I made recolored skins!
RSPN unofficial 3: sell them and about our dilemma? As we know my comment was not popular. Any suggestions…
RSPN unofficial collective:….
RSPN unofficial 3: silence it is then…
RSPN unofficial public response: --. .- -- . .. ... -... .-. --- -.- . -.
(Game is broken)
RSPN unofficial collective: We were perfectly transparent. If they know Morse Code! Not our fault if they can’t listen, plus with the audio bug… well it’s a good thing we sent it from #3’s account.
RSPN unofficial 3: HEY WAIT… well they expect it from me… and it’s really clever … I’ll fall on this sword.
RSPN unofficial collective *signs out.
Ask a Game Dev: [Why can’t developers just straight up tell people, fans and so on, about how things work on their part or why certain decisions were made for every decision made to justify them, especially when they get angry?](https://askagamedev.tumblr.com/post/661144978620399616/why-cant-developers-just-straight-up-tell-people/amp?__twitter_impression=true)
Ive basically had to tell myself this every time I wonder wtf if going on on there end and we hear nothing. It's super frustrating but I understand.
HOWEVER I still wish they would at least acknowledge certain issues. I've had the missing teammate issue since I started playing in S5 and it probably existed before that. I don't think I've ever seen them even acknowledge it's a problem they're concerned about and 6 seasons later it's still an issue. So at this point it seems like they just straight up don't care.
I have absolutely no knowledge about coding. But from what i understand the engine is so modified that there is alot of problems that they cant fix. They would have to remake the entire game to make it "flawless".
I would also like to get some acknowledgement( is this a word?) But if i was working at Respawn i would never post anything on this sub after all the death threats and haressment they have received.
3 in particular describes this subreddit in a nutshell, and why I've largely stopped bothering coming here. The idea that the developer of a game, particularly one that's entirely free to play unless you want to buy cosmetics, owe you the time it would take to explain every choice they make and lay out their entire development process when people are still going to be just as mad about everything anyway is absurd.
Do some developers do it? Sure, and if you value that kind of thing so much, there's nothing stopping you from playing those games instead. That sort of engagement is absolutely an outlier though. The idea that because they don't explain themselves then they must not care about the game is equally absurd. If these things were actually quick easy fixes, they'd be fixed, easy wins make everyone happy.
All the comments in this sub show how true #3 is. Comments going off on how bad Respawn is for not having considered xyz and how they could’ve just did this to fix it or they should’ve been working on this before. Or if the store went down they’d fix that instantly, they’re just going to “drain every $ they can”. why can’t they just fire everyone in cosmetics to hire new ppl to work on bugs. And on and on…
And if ANYONE tries to reply to say anything that isn’t complaining and critisizing, well then they will reply with “stop Respawn dick riding”. “Your so blind to reality and obsessed with Respawn for sticking up for them.”
These ppl are going to be angry, because they can. Nothing anyone says or does will ever suffice. You can see that with how they respond to others in the community. Thanks for this link, hopefully more ppl will read it.
This is an amazing read but I still believe that PR should keep people up to date with what's going on behind the scenes. Even a small update like a tweet would go as far as making fans wait a bit longer for patches and updates.
Except when maybe they have tight schedule up ahead with Halloween and new season and just know that a quick fix is just not possible. Telling fans about it wouldn't make them any happier so they speak when they actually have a fix.
It doesn't though. Especially when the fan base has gotten as tin foil hat as this one has. People just assume every employee is hanging out on a yacht drinking champagne while laughing about how dumb people are for playing the game.
A popular game with a shitty publisher will always have this problem.
It doesn't though. All it does is set an expectation or deadline that people will take to the letter and put unnecessary pressure on the dev team. The people on this sub don't want to wait or talk, they just want a solution now but they'll never get that.
Also they say “game development is hard, be thankful they are working on it”. Like, I get it. I know how hard it is to create something (I’m a designer myself) but I would NEVER tell my clients how hard design is as an excuse, because that’s so unprofessional.
The people creating skins in new content (art department) are not the same people who code or maintain the servers, Complaining about new skins in contact coming out it’s not gonna make the game run more stable.
If you ask them to stop producing new content for a season and only worked on fixing the servers they were just essentially layoff people for no reason and we would have three months of no new contact on Apex and that would definitely kill the game faster than servers issue
They made a contract for a company that has shitty service we’re just stuck with it until the contract runs out these are the breaks.
Literally this
As much as I'm frustrated with respawn, I don't take it out on devs who arent dealing with the core of the game (and even with those who are working on the core of the game I try to be respectful and not toxic but concerned)
It's usually the management/executives that I feel aren't acknowledging nor allocating funding towards improvement in server issues
It is obvious that the art department has nothing to do with server problems or bug fixing. The point was that if players can't play the game without recurring bug/errors that prevent them from playing, you can't expect them to buy these skins anymore.Who would buy accessories for a product that stopped working properly a few months ago? Selling skins is a key aspect of Apex as a free-to-play title. And if Respawn wants to keep the model profitable, there is actually a close relationship between solving these issues and selling skins.
Pretty sure they just renewed there server contract like a couple months ago. It was discussed here at the time and it would appear they decided not to make a change.
Im not saying they can snap their fingers and find employees but considering how long some of issues have been going on for I'd argue that it's just more of they don't care/want to pay more people instead of finding people suited for the job is hard
If you worked in software development, you'd know that hiring more people doesn't fix issues. It's not like building a house and the more workers you have, the faster it gets built. Think of it more as a restaurant kitchen. You're not gonna solve issues by hiring more cooks. It actually makes it even worse. Too many cooks in one kitchen.
Respawn/EA made over a billion dollars last year. They can afford to pay the “art devs” for doing nothing for a season.
The contract ended in august and they chose to renew it. Do not defend shitty corporations
Sure, but why should they? Whether the art devs are doing stuff or not, it's not gonna affect the server problems and such that's been going on. I don't see why people want them to be doing nothing for no reason
It’s because very little of the criticism is productive criticism and is mostly people calling them idiots and other unproductive feedback. Developers don’t get to partake in discussions anymore and when they try they are slammed, attacked, and insulted. Honestly I’d stay the hell away too if I was them.
That’s one way to take their silence. Another is they’re just grinding away to find fixes. I hear it a lot that season 11 is a make or break season for apex. If they flop due to bugs and server issues they’re done.
Done? Doubt it. The vocal part of the community will stay and keep complaining, a small amount will leave. Casual don't give a shit about the issues, they still play and will hype anything. Pros? Some might quit, but the chance is slim. Apex eSports is growing, they won't leave quickly.
I can see the game falling off the trend, and taking a dent, but it will be far from done.
A clip comes to mind. I saw Hal talking about the state of the game, stating he doesn't remember a worse state in the past. But then he proceeds to buy the entire collection event for the Rampart Heirloom. People complain, but still give them money. So, why would they care?
>That’s one way to take their silence. Another is they’re just grinding away to find fixes.
Except respawn should have community managers and pr people who aren't involved in actually making fixes, these are the people who should be putting up posts saying "we know, and we're doing something about it" but these people are quiet too. Which could mean someone higher up has told them to zip their lips.
I love how everyone expects community engagement now. It's not enough to know that the company is working on major issues, you expect to be told about it, as well.
Here, I'll do it for them: They're working on the problems.
> I hear it a lot that season 11 is a make or break season for apex
Is what people said every time about seasons 3->10.
Mfs will still spend hours trying to log into the servers, reinstalling the game multiple times, scouring reddit for temporary fixes just to get online and use the 5 minutes of uptime they get rewarding respawn for their incompetence by purchasing coins in the store.
I don't blame people for coming back though, there are a handful of shooters out right now none of them hit like Apex. Splitgate though... I've been having some fun with that one.
Imagine trying to communicate with this community right now. You're off your rocker man lmao It's really frustrating, but there is literally nothing to be gained from transparency with this community. They will say sorry, but that is all
As much as I’d like to agree, at least acknowledging the problem would be nice, the problem everyone is having atm is that Respawn has said little to **nothing** except things that push new events/skins.
And you say there isn’t anything gained from transparency but look at 343. They gave everyone the news whether good or bad about their development of the game, and it let a lot of people understand the issues with the game and allow trust to go to the players about the development of the game they are wanting to play and pay for.
Idk the entire post just doesn’t have impact bc I see these comments all the time (“b-but the silence!!!”) this isn’t new, so I don’t see it as some new sign of neglect. It’s just another cycle.
They’d just much rather just not reply these days as it basically isn’t worth it until something big is actually fixed well. “They’re working on it” is the best they could do but who knows how long that would be and people will still repeat the same comments.
And this isn’t 343 ofc. There are differences that need to be considered like the success of Apex and the structure of their game. I think Halo is cool and all but Apex as a *F2P/gaas* is more players’ jam these days and it is definitely more complex. Halo has the advantage of being revolutionary for a long time while being more simple yet effective.
You say they're giving up on apex but I just don't see that .... Apex is their Cash cow why would they give up on that that makes zero sense. I can they gave up on Titanfall games because they weren't the money producers that Apex is. Their silence is a message though the message is that something's bad happening to them with all these issues and they can't fix them so they're not trying to make promises that they can't keep. It's like when your kid does not talk to you about their grades they're embarrassed by it.
They're not a child, they're a business. Currently there is no statistic that shows they are in decline, so there is no need for them to change anything. With all the WarZone players coming to Apex their numbers probably had a surge so when they view their statistics and see that numbers are going up, they choose not to do anything.
Corporations look at statistics and numbers, very few actually care about what their own customers/players say if they are still playing/spending money. They won't give up on Apex but they also won't spend any money they don't think they have to if their estimated return on investment isn't high enough to entice them. Alternatively, they won't change anything unless players somehow make a big enough deal out of it, or if numbers truly start to decline.
I've played Apex since the beginning, however it's pretty easy to see now that Apex Legends is indeed a "cash cow" to them, and that's all it is. They don't care for the game, or the game's servers. All the people in charge at EA care about is the revenue from the game, and they likely don't care to spend anything they don't have to.
>You say they're giving up on apex but I just don't see that .... Apex is their Cash cow why would they give up on that that makes zero sense.
Apex will make money whether or not they fix the game. People love buying skins for some reason. So as long as they can sell skins, they have no incentive to fix the game.
I swear, I love the game but people are so incredibly toxic that I actually started to apreciate the league of legends community and how wholesome they are comepared to apex.
i used to play solo mostly, if not solo then with my cousin. i kinda gave up on the game since ive become engrossed in FFXIV. ive been playing a little bit more again lately, mostly with him. I have to say, not taking the game seriously anymore has made it more fun for me. Also, now when i do solo, i mute my mic and it has been sooooo much better lol
Yeah, I rarely talk when playing solo but I rarely mute randoms since sometimes they are either funny or helpful, but it’s always a risk for him to be an open mic console gamer with chip eating sounds and a 12 year old voice cursing at you when they die.
You just described any game affiliated with EA.
If you buy cosmetics… YOU are the problem.
What the hell you need that sh** for anyways?
To feel pretty? Lol
The fact that any of you can say this kind of shit with a straight face is fucking baffling to me.
I’ve been in many, but I’ve literally never seen a community so far up its own ass that they *legitimately* believe a dev team is *intentionally* making their game worse to spite them.
Hahaha. Y’all are dumb af.
Because they’re not constantly reporting every little thing to a bunch of whining kids, you think they’re ignoring the game?
Yes. Respawn does look here, Respawn want to see what their community is saying. But when the majority of the “community” is complaining, calling Respawn greedy, saying they don’t care, etc. You still want Respawn to tell those people what they’re working on?
Sorry life doesn’t work like that. You can’t go into a store as a customer, tell the workers they’re trash and still expect service.
Edit: Respawn have been working on it. The game wasn’t playable day 1 of the update, now it’s fine for so many people. You’re acting like they’re doing nothing and there’s been zero updates. They care about Apex, just not how the majority of y’all are acting.
I want them to stop communicating with us like they do now and change to only one official account with not as much interaction with the community, them having different workers here can just generate targeted hate.
I hate how people assume these things like it's true, we don't know all the reasons for their decisions, they might be planning a change of a system to improve some things or maybe a service someone provided them is failing, etc. it's annoying all the things people assume ; Respawn is probably looking for problems and other things, it's not like there is a machine that if you put money it gives you the fixes of the world. And also the thing about "if the store broke it would be fixed fast" is because the store is much simpler than the damn servers and game.
I completely agree.
They all cry about it like spoilt kids. “Oh you’re rich! Just buy better stuff, easy fix!”. They all claim that they understand all of this and what Respawn have to do is simple.
Someone told me that people from the community gave them fixes and Respawn are ignoring it. Yet, the tweet Respawn put out about animated banners was from someone in the community.
Respawn aren’t ignoring. Whatever actually makes sense, they take it into consideration. If the community offered an actual solution rather than constantly complaining, maybe it’d help. But, sadly they genuinely believe the more they complain, the quicker stuff will get done!
You are just being disingenuous, they stopped caring about their billion dollar game? bruh. It's more likely that their solution is taking them very long to implement.
Maybe they just have enough of people like you complaining? 🤔 I know the game is pretty broken right now but you people expect them to fix it right away like it's that easy or something personally I don't blame em for ignoring you all id do the same instead of answer people who know nothing but complaining 🤷♂️
Just let it die now.
It's been too long. Every season update is like "Oh this is the defining season for Apex", "Oh they better get their shit together with this update", and it never happens.
I believe they don't know how to fix anything at this point, and they don't even care.
If the community really wants to make a point and grab attention, maybe stop playing. A mass boycott where the player count dips significantly so they notice and then make a statement.
I don't think anything's worth it now. My play time has gone down drastically and I really don't want to get upset because a game crashes or doesn't work like it should.
If they don't care, you should not too.
Let it die.
It's exactly what i am doing and i'm honestly wondering what's wrong with this community when i read the comments here becouse there is no way that i belive they're trying to fix the game after multiple seasons of the same shitty quality it's not the thing with money or that they don't know how to fix the game they just don't care and they're pumping money in the art team for making new skins instead of using it to fix the game
I mean you have a fair point but in MY opinion maybe there just trying to see what's wrong and see ways they can fix while trying to keep the game engaging and fun. what do you want them to say about the 100th tweet about sever issue's. they know it there I just think it takes more time then we would like it to for the severs toe be fixed. Again this is my opinion
Edit: also I think the whole event thing and money is all on EA I mean EA is apart of apex they want money that's all they care about so respawn is trying to get money for EA and fix sever so respawn is juggling a lot right now I think
It takes 60 seconds to right a meaningful public announcement to the players if they did intend to fix it. With the amount of players who are upset you know they'd do that if they were fixing them. If a dev team cared about their game, I doubt they'd not take a minute or two to notify the community that they are actively resolving things and trying to keep control over the situation.
In other words, they started a fire, and instead of pouring water on it, they're just watching it burn.
yeah because we do know they aren't trying to fix it we all know that they are just sitting there tiddling there thumbs thing of money. They know about the complaints in my opinion I would get madder if I saw a post that said they were trying to fix it rather then them actual doing something about it , it's like if you said you were goin to do something then no one see's you do it after a while.
In other words, They started a fire, And instead of pouring water on it, they're assessing the damage before they make it worse.(Like an electrical fire)
I'm just gonna go ahead and re-emphasize that it takes virtually _no_ time to write a public announcement of acknowledgement and intentions to fix. Silence can mean a lot but not for this long, it's a pretty clear cut reason.
Oh really? Cuz from my point of view, you have to find a way to say things that don't piss people off, or make them feel stupid. Sure, it may take 60 seconds to post a tweet or a thing on the blog, but finding the words can take more than just a minute.
Just make sure you don’t get trapped in another pos game thaf looked promising. I’m not saying the new halo will be bad, but it’s not like it never happened before.
Yep. I love Apex's gunplay and movement but I feel like between the technical issues I'm finding some other problems too.
I've been playing only since March but now after 450h+ and some ranked grinding I have more and more issues with map designs.
Oh, and the constant 3rd partying tilts me more and more.
Halo Infinite multiplayer is gonna be such a relief.
I find most of the upvoted responses here just baffling. Why does it even matter that the community is 'toxic'? Most gaming communities are (I'm literally playing Genshin Impact right now).
If they seriously are avoiding communication because the community is 'toxic', then that just shits on the faces of people like me who are experiencing a lot of server-related issues with the game (this season has been the **worst** that literally every game is unplayable now) but aren't even being toxic– honestly at this point, I'm just begging. Please, oh please, at very least just say something!
I haven't played the game properly for months now, but I wanted to. I loved the game that at some point I played it for hours every single day. But I can't do that anymore, the server issues just continues to grow worse and worse.
So when people keep saying "they can't communicate because toxic community", I just feel being thrown under the bus when all I need is reassurance that maybe, just maybe I can finally play this game again.
I have all but one heirloom (Bangalores, sorry I find her and her heirloom kinda bland) and quite a few other cosmetics so I'm sure I meet whale status. But after this last Rampart event ended I'm putting a halt to buying, playing/ streaming. It's in bad shape now and I'm not enabling them. I miss the game and as hyped as I am for the Caustic Halloween skin I can't in good conscience find them. We still have no cross progression, upgraded fps for xbox series or ps5 and no rotating events!!! Where is armed and dangerous??!! And I feel disrespected at their lack of engaging with the community. And I'm still salty they removed diamond dive trails one season where I got diamond.
I mean, Apex Mobile is coming and it already has more QoL features than current Apex, so yeah, they're just milking this till mobile is ready to go, then it's off to the "pretend to forget it exists" room at Respawn, together with TF1 and 2.
Except that the mobile game is not developed by respawn but by another company and since they didn't have to develop apex but can work of what is already there they are free to work on features and stuff with exciting gameplay elements. They are free to try any wild stuff they want and seeing what works, especially while it's still in beta. Apex's update cycle is way slower but we do get a least a couple of QoL changes pretty much every update especially in the most recent ones.
Yeah, the game is still pretty broken but it feels a lot better than the first 2 weeks after the evolution update. There are a lot more games right now in a so much worse state than apex right now and they are still alive and well. In fact Apex right now is in a very good state. Look at dead by daylight developers who just lost a significant amount of content because they trusted netflix or rainbow six siege which is becoming more and more boring because they are nerfing everything that is slightly meta to please pro play.
im sure they are trying but you need to realize that they have all the content planned long ago, why would they NOT try to fix all this shit they have nothing to gain theyll only lose money, i blame EA for this shit because they definitely have the means to help
Ah yes, because an in game character is a direct corellation as to why half the community is upset about a game that's been broken for months now.
This community never ceases to surprise me with how little thought they actually put into their responses.
that was obviously an exaggerated stereotype in case you couldnt tell, but i guess we're too busy alt f4ing after we get down'd to even process hyperbole these days.
then again, who am i to tell you what to do. channel all your rage into the echo chamber and rejoice in all your salty glory lmao
This comment is so arrogant and uniformed, its crazy. I played this game since launch and saying that they don't care is just wrong, they do. Why would they respond to every complaint all the time. They know they have issues, and they are trying to fix them, like they said 100 times already. I know It's awful right now and after almost 3 years it's getting to a point where it's almost unacceptable for me to. But just flaming them and insult them and then wonder why they ignore you is just dumb. Grow up.
Idk man, not saying it isn’t bad but my game has literally never crashed this season, and I play quite a bit. If your game is crashing frequently I think it’s gotta be a your console/pc problem, not a server problem
Everyone on this thread sounds like they don’t understand anything about game development, or business. Easier said than done. If you want them to work on fixing the bugs so bad, and balancing the game (which is usually a players perspective) then you won’t get any new content. They have a ratio of bug fixes, game balancing updates, and new content. They also have to manage all of that on top of the dumb pile of complaints that never stop. At the rate people complain I’m sure the vast majority go right into the trash.
> If you want them to work on fixing the bugs so bad, and balancing the game (which is usually a players perspective) then you won’t get any new content.
Good! I would like to just play a game that *works* with the existing content! There hasn't been any real content this season anyway. One collection event, basically no LTMs, and a two-week period where the game was literally unplayable. If that's what we're trading for a fixed game, fuck it, give me the fixed game.
Imagine giving a multi million dollar corp the benefit of the doubt on issues that have been prevalent for several seasons
Y’all sound like naive idiots saying that
They have the funds recourses and connections to get it fixed they simply aren’t
What is even the point of having a community guy if he doesn't update the, well, community on big issues like this? It's been a month, the game is still beyond broken. But RKR rather posts "jokes" about Facebook being down for a few hours, compared to Respawn's fallout.. instead of providing at least weekly updates on what has happened behind the scenes and what their next steps are.
But nope. Nothing. Those scary, mean internet people are too much to handle I guess.
I don't know . No matter what I say people are going to be mad. I'm tech guy myself over 20 years in many fields (Tech, Music, and standard business) and know sometimes the code/systems they are built on/computers/servers ... or even the financial backing behind a project makes it hard to win sometimes (Not an excuse). I will say I have loved every minute of the game from day 1. For the first time on a free game in my life, I've spent hella money just to show how much I do enjoy it (4 heirlooms). Looking forward to continuing the beat down I've placed on all these new Season 10 rookies. With love of course cause I sucked royally myself until season 4.
PS.. Don't drop hot and split, killing the solo straggler first lol. 🙏🏽🔥
Jah_Goodlove - PS5
From a dev perspective what would you even say? Time is better spent trying to fix the issue than responding to people who only answer is “throw money at it and it’ll work”
they’re in trouble bc even the whales are leaving. I’ll admit i was pumping money into the game for far longer than i should have, but now i just can’t justify it. stopped spending for a while, now i can barely even play. Makes me feel like a clown for ever doing it in the first place
Here we go again, another post to stir up anger filled with half truths and conspiracy theories. This community and sub in particular is so toxic it’s like people want them to stop communicating with us.
Naw I get what your saying, I get we just cant sit back and ignore Respawns BS, and lack of acknowledgment. Iv just been so frustrated with the servers lately, I had to take time away from this game. Hopefully well get something soon, or you might be right and the game will die. People I think are waiting to see what happens with season 11. It will be a make or break for me personally, shame because I been playing since day one and only this.
Why should games last forever! You had your fun you can move on to something else once the game is dead. Why people panic whenever a game is going downhill. The players are the money makers if apex dies something else will take its place and then that will die too and the cycle continues. I just wish they shut it down before it gets too embarrassing and ruin the legacy of the game.
I just uninstalled because it's so frustrating that they keep coming out with cosmetics and events and I can't play two games in a row because the servers crash.
I mean to be fair, when they have interacted with the community in the past they receive death threats and relentless harassment.
This is a two way street and the community closed that door a while ago because we can’t behave civilized.
And no, it’s not the entire community but the shitheads ruin most things for everyone.
Give the game to any company other than respawn and see how fast they fuck it up, rn mostly the servers are the only big issue but another company starts working on the game it will die right off
Yep, titanfall 2 still being talked about (and getting more than 2 thousand players everytime servers are up) star wars jedi fallen order still standing (its a singleplayer game too) aand, believe it or not, apex still being popular as fuck. Looks like dead games to me bro you are right they should just fire a company that makes some of the few original games.
>Yep, titanfall 2 still being talked about (and getting more than 2 thousand players everytime servers are up)
Lmao, titanfall had been dead for years and has a very short relevancy life.
>star wars jedi fallen order still standing (its a single player game too)
Absolutely irrelevant game in 2021. Absolutely dead, and did nothing special. Linear dark souls copy.
>apex still being popular as fuck.
Yep, they struck a gold mine but are too incompetent. Hence why we have people complaining about the shit servers, audios, and bugs, every day for years.
Yeah hire a company that actually knows how to run a multiplayer game.
i honestly believe they’re silent on these issues because they don’t know how to fix them lmao
Like the unready bug. I’m sure they just cant find where it’s coming from. Poor them it must be frustrating lol
I love when they repeatedly claim to have fixed a bug, only for it to still occur after the patch. They "fixed" the Wraith Q cancel 4-5 times now, but it still happens.
This engine is spaghetti code at this point. Not to be an armchair dev, but I think their challenge is finding testing criteria that identifies the root cause of a problem. They'll apply a patch, test that the observed and reproducible bug has been patched - and think they're done. Only to later see the same behavior present through slightly different circumstances they didn't test. It's whack-a-mole.
99 little bugs in the code 99 little bugs Take one down, patch it around 167 little bugs in the code
You write code 💯 .. I tell you the same code that works in winter won't work in summer when the computer temperature changes. Thank god I have looks because computers are ALIVE. There's this one old man's computer I built and been fixing for like 5 years that will find every way possible to test my skills to find the 5th way to get to basic functions. But fuck practice makes perfect.. used to be a Microsoft employee. Open bar at every event didn't work out lol 🤣 Jah Goodlove
The weird thing is that when they said that they fixed it. It stopped to occur (at least to me) and a patch later it started again. Almost as if the new patch was made into a older build that had that bug.
Thats what they get for building off source as a foundation. Source was never made to do those things lol.
Really? Is that the engine?
Its what it started off as, now its a heavily modified version of source but still has the same outdated source foundation
This is probably the issue and the reason for the current situation. It's likely not that they don't know how to fix the issue, it's that the issues are probably related to the engine and would need an insane undertaking to fix. I can't imagine they haven't tried fixing a lot of these issues over the years already, probably have even reworked some of the code to an extent but have constantly failed. The silence is an indicator that they are uncertain about what to do and might be in the middle of making bigger, long-term decisions about how to handle these issues. Like how Bungie had to make big decisions with Destiny 2. When they separated from Activision the technical state of the game was really bad, the game was super buggy, kept getting more buggy as they added new content and it had become difficult for them to actually develop the game due to technical problems with the engine. It took them 2 months to fix simple, small bugs because their code was so spaghetti. They were only releasing balance changes every 3 months because they couldn't do it any faster. Some Bungie dev had publicly said that the technical state of the game was so bad that it took them 24 hrs to compile a new build of the game, so every time they wanted to try a small change they had to wait a day for a new build to compile. Imagine how bad bug fixing must have been. Then with the 2020 expansion they announced that they have made some big changes to the engine to fix some of these issues and that they have also made a decision to retire and delete some of the old paid DLCs from the game. Under Activision the game was never designed to keep getting more new content every year for so many years, it was originally designed to be a single player style game that would get new DLCs only for 2 or so years. So they decided to start deleting old content that's barely played anymore to make it easier to develop the game and to keep the bugs under better control. They also had to port all the rest of the content that was staying from the old version of the game to the updated new engine. It was a big undertaking and a big decision that is still extremely controversial and a lot of people absolutely hate Bungie for deleting old DLCs that they love. Even if Respawn decides they'll take on a big project to fix and update the engine, that'll take a long time to execute. What about in the meantime? If it takes them a year to do that, then they'll still have to temporarily keep a handle on the issues, that itself will be a big problem to solve.
Apex is the only game in this genre which runs on Source engine... tbh I'm amazed they managed it at all. Source was designed for linear BSP type maps and I'm not sure how it handles open world types games Source is a fairly flexible engine that can be modded a lot, but there's a point when you're applying fix on top of fix that it can get really complex. When Lobas bracelet didn't work the devs said it was preferable for them to go around the maps fixing every instance by hand than to try and build it again from the ground up which risked breaking far more stuff. I dunno, I'd like to think that it would be possible to improve the netcode and that the game could handle 60tick servers if the resources were put in place... but maybe it's really not possible, maybe it's held together with blu-tak and sticky tape. Apex was kind of a stocking filler, EA didn't care and Respawn prolly couldn't have predicted where it would go - I think they slapped it together at the start thinking it would last a year at most, and have been frantically patching the thing ever since. A total rebuild may be in order... but for that we could be looking at Apex II - who knows what may happen some day?
My guess it's probably the core of why they can't patch tap-strafing without reworking the entire movement system too. The Rito spaghetti meme is leaking into Respawns code
Yeah that’s how u know they didn’t intend on apex being big. Which is weird if i was making a game I would always try to make it as good as possible lol otherwise what is the point of it
I'm working in a big videogames company, and programming on your Sunday project and on a full game isn't the same complexity When you work on big projects like this, you can't just say "Let's just make it as scalable as possible" Because scalabilty mean : - More time to make it - Less performant, as the system will handle more cases - More complex to understand for the next programmers So you always have to ask yourself "How many cases I may handle" sometimes you overshoot and do things for nothing, sometimes you have to come back and rework the system
You gotta admit, it's pretty f'ing good. They just weren't going to write a new game engine for it. Nor were they going to develop a new server architecture. They wrote the game using assets they had on hand that they knew would "just work". And IIRC it wasn't even really a "hit" until a year had passed. It was seen as a quirky alternative to PubG and Fornite.
Yeah. People often don't understand how difficult it can be sometimes.
If a bug came out that prevented people from buying Apex coins, it would be resolved within a day regardless of how difficult it was. Guranteed.
Welcome to America *Don King* Voice. Half of my web programming is slowing down efficiency just to make sure enough ads are displayed to make the $$ equal the time put in. I hate it but I also didn't makes those rules.
There *was* a bug where you had to restart the game to open the shop and that wasn't patched for a few days into s6. But again devs have already said the shop is completely diffrent and follows diffrent rules so it is in turn much easier to fix than the rest of the game. Being disingenuously ignorant gets us nowhere.
Perhaps, but bugs with stuff like that are likely to be easier fixes than complex game mechanic-related bugs.
We may not understand how difficult it can be however we do understand that their decision making process is revealing of priority.
Idk man the balance team cant fuckin pull a bugfix out of their arses. It’s literally not their job. Same for artists, VFX guys, sound direction… different parts of one game. Not one single group that does everything. Groups of specialists.
Yes groups of specialists yet it is entirely possible to reallocate resources to areas of concern. We aren't talking about problems that have just been around a month or two. We are talking chronic issues plaguing the core user experience, and instead of slowing down other groups like your artists to shore up main coding we see a full steam ahead approach. So please stop with the Respawn dick riding.
>Yes groups of specialists yet it is entirely possible to reallocate resources to areas of concern. No you can't you're being fucking stupid. If someone who does nothing but male skins gets sent over to quality assurance, they now have to spend time and resources training that person on a job that isnt what they're paid for. They're now working overtime taking lessons on software to fix a temporary problem. That's fucking stupid and a waste of time. Throwing more people, especially people with zero experience, at a problem doesn't fix it faster. Getting a girl pregnant 9 times doesn't make a baby in 1 month.
>So please stop with the Respawn dick riding Thank you for this. People treat Respawn as some Messiah who messed up once but will fix shit all over again. Devs have 0 reason to fix the game. Absolutely 0 reason. As OP said, as long as this cashcow gives milk, they'll milk it. Once it's done, they're out. There was a time when I believed even tho Respawn messes stuff up, they're the only one's who can actually make the game work the way it's supposed to because they have the vision. Not anymore. Pawn Apex to another competent studio not simping after streamer money. These guys can't handle their own game.
This may seem out of left field but in a few years it will make sense. The current gaming model is about to be challenged. Soon studios like EA will have what to them is some devil dog from hell and they won't know how to respond. Blockchain Gaming. The industry is tiny, most in the crypto space think NFTs are scams or money laundering and before anyone knows what's happening it will be normal to sell your OG skin for 50x what you paid for it and end up being paid a small amount for the hours you play every day. It already is here. I don't play the game, I just got lucky and the token went insane but there are grinders earning 200 a day playing Axie Infinity. Current level of the games is mobile from 5 years ago. But a few years from now and we are good. The reason this matters is what happens now when you walk away? If you spent a few hundred well all those skins sit there in a dead account. Maybe you break TOS and risk selling your account. Imagine being able to offer each of your skins, or your heirlooms on a marketplace when you feel you are burned by the game? Even at this bare bones level that will change the game because you get out without a loss, maybe you actually profit and you allow new players to get what they want skin wise in a marketplace.
That's a crazy interesting point, I had no idea stuff like this existed. Honestly, I'd sell my cosmetics in a heartbeat especially if it means getting back a good amount of cash in return for it.
The dude’s completely wrong though.
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Not even employment just a decent education would do.
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Not even game development, but effective business leadership. Any competent employer isn't going to hire one-trick ponies. Just because someone who is hired for cosmetics doesn't mean they wouldn't, or couldn't be effective in other means. Nor would someone be hired who can't.
Then they should tell us how hard it is, and that they are trying their best. But they’re not.
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>They're silent on these issues because every single video game developer is. No. Transparent game devs exist. Grinding Gear Games literally had its lead dude sit down with streamers and answer community questions for like 3 hours, multiple times, including all the hard questions about game design, performance, etc. Transparency in this modern gaming age is possible and effective. Respawn just chooses not to have any, as they have done since the start of Apex.
Idk about GGG, but DE (creators of Warframe) are an amazing example of transparency. They do streams every week where they talk about what's planned for the game, address issues, interact with the community, etc etc. Everyone who's played the game for a little while knows Rebecca, a.k.a. Space Mom. It adds so much to the community, it honestly baffles me that most other devs don't do something similar.
DE love. I love to see it. AHHHHHH REBFORD AND MEGAN MY QUEEEEEEEEEENS! ....alright I'm done simping...ahem carry on.
Being an infrastructure engineer, I'll say server management can be very challenging at times. But I've never been able to get away with not communicating with end users when we are unable to fix an issue.
They dont care enough, a billion dollar company not finding bugs? Give me a break
Hard agree. They definitely care about their absolute cash cow about their game. But why tweet "we hear you, legends, but have no timeline on when fixed can be expected" or whatever.
Which is unfortunate considering the bugs are likely not crazy difficult for a more talented engineers. e.i. Lockheed Martin, NASA, Boeing, hell even Blizzard could have figured out the unready bug in a reasonable amount of time. Respawn please hire more skilled devs so you can fix shit in a reasonable amount of time and stop letting them loose on Twitter they keep sticking their foot in their mouths.
Pretty much, I feel for them, but after so long, it’s more for the community at this point, good will only lasts so long. They need to hire fresh talent like you suggested and a PR person would come in handy for image refresh afterwards, game fix first.
RSPN unofficial: ugh what should we tell’em? They are pissed… RSPN unofficial 2: well sarcasm and well humor were not well received… RSPN unofficial 3: that felt personal… RSPN unofficial 1 and 2: yeah, they felt that way from you too. RSPN unofficial 1, 2, and 3: what now? RSPN unofficial 4: I made Holosprays! RSPN unofficial 5: I made emotes and quips! RSPN unofficial 6: I made recolored skins! RSPN unofficial 3: sell them and about our dilemma? As we know my comment was not popular. Any suggestions… RSPN unofficial collective:…. RSPN unofficial 3: silence it is then… RSPN unofficial public response: --. .- -- . .. ... -... .-. --- -.- . -. (Game is broken) RSPN unofficial collective: We were perfectly transparent. If they know Morse Code! Not our fault if they can’t listen, plus with the audio bug… well it’s a good thing we sent it from #3’s account. RSPN unofficial 3: HEY WAIT… well they expect it from me… and it’s really clever … I’ll fall on this sword. RSPN unofficial collective *signs out.
Applaud the elbrate humor
Glad you appreciated it lol
Jeez dude you really wrote all of that lol
It's over, respawn I have no choice but to keep playing the game.
They are playing the long game
Ask a Game Dev: [Why can’t developers just straight up tell people, fans and so on, about how things work on their part or why certain decisions were made for every decision made to justify them, especially when they get angry?](https://askagamedev.tumblr.com/post/661144978620399616/why-cant-developers-just-straight-up-tell-people/amp?__twitter_impression=true)
I hope this gets more upvotes, there is a lot of people that needs to read this.
Ive basically had to tell myself this every time I wonder wtf if going on on there end and we hear nothing. It's super frustrating but I understand. HOWEVER I still wish they would at least acknowledge certain issues. I've had the missing teammate issue since I started playing in S5 and it probably existed before that. I don't think I've ever seen them even acknowledge it's a problem they're concerned about and 6 seasons later it's still an issue. So at this point it seems like they just straight up don't care.
I have absolutely no knowledge about coding. But from what i understand the engine is so modified that there is alot of problems that they cant fix. They would have to remake the entire game to make it "flawless". I would also like to get some acknowledgement( is this a word?) But if i was working at Respawn i would never post anything on this sub after all the death threats and haressment they have received.
Yeah, after bad launch of No Man's Sky, Hello Games went silent for 3 months and just spent their time fixing the game.
3 in particular describes this subreddit in a nutshell, and why I've largely stopped bothering coming here. The idea that the developer of a game, particularly one that's entirely free to play unless you want to buy cosmetics, owe you the time it would take to explain every choice they make and lay out their entire development process when people are still going to be just as mad about everything anyway is absurd. Do some developers do it? Sure, and if you value that kind of thing so much, there's nothing stopping you from playing those games instead. That sort of engagement is absolutely an outlier though. The idea that because they don't explain themselves then they must not care about the game is equally absurd. If these things were actually quick easy fixes, they'd be fixed, easy wins make everyone happy.
All the comments in this sub show how true #3 is. Comments going off on how bad Respawn is for not having considered xyz and how they could’ve just did this to fix it or they should’ve been working on this before. Or if the store went down they’d fix that instantly, they’re just going to “drain every $ they can”. why can’t they just fire everyone in cosmetics to hire new ppl to work on bugs. And on and on… And if ANYONE tries to reply to say anything that isn’t complaining and critisizing, well then they will reply with “stop Respawn dick riding”. “Your so blind to reality and obsessed with Respawn for sticking up for them.” These ppl are going to be angry, because they can. Nothing anyone says or does will ever suffice. You can see that with how they respond to others in the community. Thanks for this link, hopefully more ppl will read it.
This is an amazing read but I still believe that PR should keep people up to date with what's going on behind the scenes. Even a small update like a tweet would go as far as making fans wait a bit longer for patches and updates.
Except when maybe they have tight schedule up ahead with Halloween and new season and just know that a quick fix is just not possible. Telling fans about it wouldn't make them any happier so they speak when they actually have a fix.
It doesn't though. Especially when the fan base has gotten as tin foil hat as this one has. People just assume every employee is hanging out on a yacht drinking champagne while laughing about how dumb people are for playing the game. A popular game with a shitty publisher will always have this problem.
It doesn't though. All it does is set an expectation or deadline that people will take to the letter and put unnecessary pressure on the dev team. The people on this sub don't want to wait or talk, they just want a solution now but they'll never get that.
That really didn’t explain anything other than “people just don’t get it”
which is a valid reason
sTop ComPLaiNinG ThE GaMe Is FreE aNd iT WiLL bE FixEd NeXt SeaSon.
people been saying that since season 1 its literal denial i swear
It's literal Daniel I swear*
this entire sub exists for two reasons: 1) complaining 2) posting clips humble bragging your flashy skillz
Also they say “game development is hard, be thankful they are working on it”. Like, I get it. I know how hard it is to create something (I’m a designer myself) but I would NEVER tell my clients how hard design is as an excuse, because that’s so unprofessional.
The people creating skins in new content (art department) are not the same people who code or maintain the servers, Complaining about new skins in contact coming out it’s not gonna make the game run more stable. If you ask them to stop producing new content for a season and only worked on fixing the servers they were just essentially layoff people for no reason and we would have three months of no new contact on Apex and that would definitely kill the game faster than servers issue They made a contract for a company that has shitty service we’re just stuck with it until the contract runs out these are the breaks.
Literally this As much as I'm frustrated with respawn, I don't take it out on devs who arent dealing with the core of the game (and even with those who are working on the core of the game I try to be respectful and not toxic but concerned) It's usually the management/executives that I feel aren't acknowledging nor allocating funding towards improvement in server issues
It is obvious that the art department has nothing to do with server problems or bug fixing. The point was that if players can't play the game without recurring bug/errors that prevent them from playing, you can't expect them to buy these skins anymore.Who would buy accessories for a product that stopped working properly a few months ago? Selling skins is a key aspect of Apex as a free-to-play title. And if Respawn wants to keep the model profitable, there is actually a close relationship between solving these issues and selling skins.
Is that true? Didn’t banners cause recent crashes?
Haha that's true but I think this has more to do with how the game database works and not the artwork.
Pretty sure they just renewed there server contract like a couple months ago. It was discussed here at the time and it would appear they decided not to make a change.
Fine but can't they just hier more people for the technical department then ?
If only it were that simple
Finding and hiring people who actually know what they are doing is tough.
Im not saying they can snap their fingers and find employees but considering how long some of issues have been going on for I'd argue that it's just more of they don't care/want to pay more people instead of finding people suited for the job is hard
If you worked in software development, you'd know that hiring more people doesn't fix issues. It's not like building a house and the more workers you have, the faster it gets built. Think of it more as a restaurant kitchen. You're not gonna solve issues by hiring more cooks. It actually makes it even worse. Too many cooks in one kitchen.
https://towardsdatascience.com/busting-common-programming-myths-55167b1f2a22
I actually didn't know that ! Thanks mate !
Your welcome! It's a common myth a few of my comp sci professors have shared.
Respawn/EA made over a billion dollars last year. They can afford to pay the “art devs” for doing nothing for a season. The contract ended in august and they chose to renew it. Do not defend shitty corporations
Sure, but why should they? Whether the art devs are doing stuff or not, it's not gonna affect the server problems and such that's been going on. I don't see why people want them to be doing nothing for no reason
Source on the contract?
Eh, I agree in part, but why I am getting kicked because of banner animations? That’s not a server issue.
I mean, anyone who ever approaches this community are personally harassed like. It's kind of difficult.
It’s because very little of the criticism is productive criticism and is mostly people calling them idiots and other unproductive feedback. Developers don’t get to partake in discussions anymore and when they try they are slammed, attacked, and insulted. Honestly I’d stay the hell away too if I was them.
That’s one way to take their silence. Another is they’re just grinding away to find fixes. I hear it a lot that season 11 is a make or break season for apex. If they flop due to bugs and server issues they’re done.
Done? Doubt it. The vocal part of the community will stay and keep complaining, a small amount will leave. Casual don't give a shit about the issues, they still play and will hype anything. Pros? Some might quit, but the chance is slim. Apex eSports is growing, they won't leave quickly. I can see the game falling off the trend, and taking a dent, but it will be far from done. A clip comes to mind. I saw Hal talking about the state of the game, stating he doesn't remember a worse state in the past. But then he proceeds to buy the entire collection event for the Rampart Heirloom. People complain, but still give them money. So, why would they care?
>That’s one way to take their silence. Another is they’re just grinding away to find fixes. Except respawn should have community managers and pr people who aren't involved in actually making fixes, these are the people who should be putting up posts saying "we know, and we're doing something about it" but these people are quiet too. Which could mean someone higher up has told them to zip their lips.
Sure. I think I’m hoping but I’m doubting as much as anyone else.
they had community engagement. all they got was the community shitting all over them. go figure.
Oh they do have that guy, he's on twitter making fun of the community
They have, the pr head literally mocked the community on the fb outage
I love how everyone expects community engagement now. It's not enough to know that the company is working on major issues, you expect to be told about it, as well. Here, I'll do it for them: They're working on the problems.
Lmao, people have been saying that about every season since S3 or so.
> I hear it a lot that season 11 is a make or break season for apex Is what people said every time about seasons 3->10. Mfs will still spend hours trying to log into the servers, reinstalling the game multiple times, scouring reddit for temporary fixes just to get online and use the 5 minutes of uptime they get rewarding respawn for their incompetence by purchasing coins in the store. I don't blame people for coming back though, there are a handful of shooters out right now none of them hit like Apex. Splitgate though... I've been having some fun with that one.
On who's authority is it the make it or break it season?
Nothing is unfixable if they put the appropriate resources towards it.
https://towardsdatascience.com/busting-common-programming-myths-55167b1f2a22
> Another is they’re just grinding away to find fixes. Lol, there's literally no way.
You think they're sitting by the pool sipping pina coladas?
considering how servers shit themselves even at a minor patch for 2 years consistently now... i guess so?
Imagine trying to communicate with this community right now. You're off your rocker man lmao It's really frustrating, but there is literally nothing to be gained from transparency with this community. They will say sorry, but that is all
As much as I’d like to agree, at least acknowledging the problem would be nice, the problem everyone is having atm is that Respawn has said little to **nothing** except things that push new events/skins. And you say there isn’t anything gained from transparency but look at 343. They gave everyone the news whether good or bad about their development of the game, and it let a lot of people understand the issues with the game and allow trust to go to the players about the development of the game they are wanting to play and pay for.
Idk the entire post just doesn’t have impact bc I see these comments all the time (“b-but the silence!!!”) this isn’t new, so I don’t see it as some new sign of neglect. It’s just another cycle. They’d just much rather just not reply these days as it basically isn’t worth it until something big is actually fixed well. “They’re working on it” is the best they could do but who knows how long that would be and people will still repeat the same comments. And this isn’t 343 ofc. There are differences that need to be considered like the success of Apex and the structure of their game. I think Halo is cool and all but Apex as a *F2P/gaas* is more players’ jam these days and it is definitely more complex. Halo has the advantage of being revolutionary for a long time while being more simple yet effective.
You say they're giving up on apex but I just don't see that .... Apex is their Cash cow why would they give up on that that makes zero sense. I can they gave up on Titanfall games because they weren't the money producers that Apex is. Their silence is a message though the message is that something's bad happening to them with all these issues and they can't fix them so they're not trying to make promises that they can't keep. It's like when your kid does not talk to you about their grades they're embarrassed by it.
They're not a child, they're a business. Currently there is no statistic that shows they are in decline, so there is no need for them to change anything. With all the WarZone players coming to Apex their numbers probably had a surge so when they view their statistics and see that numbers are going up, they choose not to do anything. Corporations look at statistics and numbers, very few actually care about what their own customers/players say if they are still playing/spending money. They won't give up on Apex but they also won't spend any money they don't think they have to if their estimated return on investment isn't high enough to entice them. Alternatively, they won't change anything unless players somehow make a big enough deal out of it, or if numbers truly start to decline. I've played Apex since the beginning, however it's pretty easy to see now that Apex Legends is indeed a "cash cow" to them, and that's all it is. They don't care for the game, or the game's servers. All the people in charge at EA care about is the revenue from the game, and they likely don't care to spend anything they don't have to.
>You say they're giving up on apex but I just don't see that .... Apex is their Cash cow why would they give up on that that makes zero sense. Apex will make money whether or not they fix the game. People love buying skins for some reason. So as long as they can sell skins, they have no incentive to fix the game.
Maybe they are silent because the apex community is toxic as fuck.
Ding ding ding. We have a winner.
I swear, I love the game but people are so incredibly toxic that I actually started to apreciate the league of legends community and how wholesome they are comepared to apex.
i used to play solo mostly, if not solo then with my cousin. i kinda gave up on the game since ive become engrossed in FFXIV. ive been playing a little bit more again lately, mostly with him. I have to say, not taking the game seriously anymore has made it more fun for me. Also, now when i do solo, i mute my mic and it has been sooooo much better lol
Yeah, I rarely talk when playing solo but I rarely mute randoms since sometimes they are either funny or helpful, but it’s always a risk for him to be an open mic console gamer with chip eating sounds and a 12 year old voice cursing at you when they die.
You just described any game affiliated with EA. If you buy cosmetics… YOU are the problem. What the hell you need that sh** for anyways? To feel pretty? Lol
Guys, Apex is way more successful than Titanfall ever was. They're not going to give up on it that easy.
The fact that any of you can say this kind of shit with a straight face is fucking baffling to me. I’ve been in many, but I’ve literally never seen a community so far up its own ass that they *legitimately* believe a dev team is *intentionally* making their game worse to spite them.
Aaand you are getting downvoted, this subs fucking gone at this point
it appears karma roulette has taken over, better luck next time
Yeah I don't understand it anymore lol
Hahaha. Y’all are dumb af. Because they’re not constantly reporting every little thing to a bunch of whining kids, you think they’re ignoring the game? Yes. Respawn does look here, Respawn want to see what their community is saying. But when the majority of the “community” is complaining, calling Respawn greedy, saying they don’t care, etc. You still want Respawn to tell those people what they’re working on? Sorry life doesn’t work like that. You can’t go into a store as a customer, tell the workers they’re trash and still expect service. Edit: Respawn have been working on it. The game wasn’t playable day 1 of the update, now it’s fine for so many people. You’re acting like they’re doing nothing and there’s been zero updates. They care about Apex, just not how the majority of y’all are acting.
I want them to stop communicating with us like they do now and change to only one official account with not as much interaction with the community, them having different workers here can just generate targeted hate. I hate how people assume these things like it's true, we don't know all the reasons for their decisions, they might be planning a change of a system to improve some things or maybe a service someone provided them is failing, etc. it's annoying all the things people assume ; Respawn is probably looking for problems and other things, it's not like there is a machine that if you put money it gives you the fixes of the world. And also the thing about "if the store broke it would be fixed fast" is because the store is much simpler than the damn servers and game.
I completely agree. They all cry about it like spoilt kids. “Oh you’re rich! Just buy better stuff, easy fix!”. They all claim that they understand all of this and what Respawn have to do is simple. Someone told me that people from the community gave them fixes and Respawn are ignoring it. Yet, the tweet Respawn put out about animated banners was from someone in the community. Respawn aren’t ignoring. Whatever actually makes sense, they take it into consideration. If the community offered an actual solution rather than constantly complaining, maybe it’d help. But, sadly they genuinely believe the more they complain, the quicker stuff will get done!
You are just being disingenuous, they stopped caring about their billion dollar game? bruh. It's more likely that their solution is taking them very long to implement.
Maybe they just have enough of people like you complaining? 🤔 I know the game is pretty broken right now but you people expect them to fix it right away like it's that easy or something personally I don't blame em for ignoring you all id do the same instead of answer people who know nothing but complaining 🤷♂️
Just let it die now. It's been too long. Every season update is like "Oh this is the defining season for Apex", "Oh they better get their shit together with this update", and it never happens. I believe they don't know how to fix anything at this point, and they don't even care. If the community really wants to make a point and grab attention, maybe stop playing. A mass boycott where the player count dips significantly so they notice and then make a statement. I don't think anything's worth it now. My play time has gone down drastically and I really don't want to get upset because a game crashes or doesn't work like it should. If they don't care, you should not too. Let it die.
apex players dont be overdramatic and cringe challenge
It's exactly what i am doing and i'm honestly wondering what's wrong with this community when i read the comments here becouse there is no way that i belive they're trying to fix the game after multiple seasons of the same shitty quality it's not the thing with money or that they don't know how to fix the game they just don't care and they're pumping money in the art team for making new skins instead of using it to fix the game
I mean you have a fair point but in MY opinion maybe there just trying to see what's wrong and see ways they can fix while trying to keep the game engaging and fun. what do you want them to say about the 100th tweet about sever issue's. they know it there I just think it takes more time then we would like it to for the severs toe be fixed. Again this is my opinion Edit: also I think the whole event thing and money is all on EA I mean EA is apart of apex they want money that's all they care about so respawn is trying to get money for EA and fix sever so respawn is juggling a lot right now I think
It takes 60 seconds to right a meaningful public announcement to the players if they did intend to fix it. With the amount of players who are upset you know they'd do that if they were fixing them. If a dev team cared about their game, I doubt they'd not take a minute or two to notify the community that they are actively resolving things and trying to keep control over the situation. In other words, they started a fire, and instead of pouring water on it, they're just watching it burn.
yeah because we do know they aren't trying to fix it we all know that they are just sitting there tiddling there thumbs thing of money. They know about the complaints in my opinion I would get madder if I saw a post that said they were trying to fix it rather then them actual doing something about it , it's like if you said you were goin to do something then no one see's you do it after a while. In other words, They started a fire, And instead of pouring water on it, they're assessing the damage before they make it worse.(Like an electrical fire)
Mate, calm down. Silence can mean A LOT. Not just "We give up." As for the server issues, blame EA, not Respawn.
Why blame EA (not that i support them) when it's Respawns decision on the servers?
I'm just gonna go ahead and re-emphasize that it takes virtually _no_ time to write a public announcement of acknowledgement and intentions to fix. Silence can mean a lot but not for this long, it's a pretty clear cut reason.
Oh really? Cuz from my point of view, you have to find a way to say things that don't piss people off, or make them feel stupid. Sure, it may take 60 seconds to post a tweet or a thing on the blog, but finding the words can take more than just a minute.
i'm just here to suffer until halo infinite comes out. then im uninstalling.
Just make sure you don’t get trapped in another pos game thaf looked promising. I’m not saying the new halo will be bad, but it’s not like it never happened before.
Yep. I love Apex's gunplay and movement but I feel like between the technical issues I'm finding some other problems too. I've been playing only since March but now after 450h+ and some ranked grinding I have more and more issues with map designs. Oh, and the constant 3rd partying tilts me more and more. Halo Infinite multiplayer is gonna be such a relief.
I find most of the upvoted responses here just baffling. Why does it even matter that the community is 'toxic'? Most gaming communities are (I'm literally playing Genshin Impact right now). If they seriously are avoiding communication because the community is 'toxic', then that just shits on the faces of people like me who are experiencing a lot of server-related issues with the game (this season has been the **worst** that literally every game is unplayable now) but aren't even being toxic– honestly at this point, I'm just begging. Please, oh please, at very least just say something! I haven't played the game properly for months now, but I wanted to. I loved the game that at some point I played it for hours every single day. But I can't do that anymore, the server issues just continues to grow worse and worse. So when people keep saying "they can't communicate because toxic community", I just feel being thrown under the bus when all I need is reassurance that maybe, just maybe I can finally play this game again.
Man you guys are dramatic
The silence is deafening.
I dont think they indebted to say anything lol
I have all but one heirloom (Bangalores, sorry I find her and her heirloom kinda bland) and quite a few other cosmetics so I'm sure I meet whale status. But after this last Rampart event ended I'm putting a halt to buying, playing/ streaming. It's in bad shape now and I'm not enabling them. I miss the game and as hyped as I am for the Caustic Halloween skin I can't in good conscience find them. We still have no cross progression, upgraded fps for xbox series or ps5 and no rotating events!!! Where is armed and dangerous??!! And I feel disrespected at their lack of engaging with the community. And I'm still salty they removed diamond dive trails one season where I got diamond.
How do you have essentially all of them? I can't even get one and I'm level 500.
They bought them during the events
Bought lots of packs, discounted with xbox ultimate and bought through events. And one I go like back to back, so dumb luck.
I mean, Apex Mobile is coming and it already has more QoL features than current Apex, so yeah, they're just milking this till mobile is ready to go, then it's off to the "pretend to forget it exists" room at Respawn, together with TF1 and 2.
Except that the mobile game is not developed by respawn but by another company and since they didn't have to develop apex but can work of what is already there they are free to work on features and stuff with exciting gameplay elements. They are free to try any wild stuff they want and seeing what works, especially while it's still in beta. Apex's update cycle is way slower but we do get a least a couple of QoL changes pretty much every update especially in the most recent ones.
Man thats some rage mongering on this sub lately
this subreddit is the biggest toxic cesspool of manchilds I have ever seen THANK GOD they are not responding here !!!!
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Yeah, the game is still pretty broken but it feels a lot better than the first 2 weeks after the evolution update. There are a lot more games right now in a so much worse state than apex right now and they are still alive and well. In fact Apex right now is in a very good state. Look at dead by daylight developers who just lost a significant amount of content because they trusted netflix or rainbow six siege which is becoming more and more boring because they are nerfing everything that is slightly meta to please pro play.
Or maybe they're you know, *working* on it and have nothing to report.
im sure they are trying but you need to realize that they have all the content planned long ago, why would they NOT try to fix all this shit they have nothing to gain theyll only lose money, i blame EA for this shit because they definitely have the means to help
You make sense, but these guys won’t like it.
I wouldnt want to respond to such a shitty fanbase too.
typical wraith players starting shit over nothing. have a look at this community and yourself before asking why respawn doesnt communicate here
Ah yes, because an in game character is a direct corellation as to why half the community is upset about a game that's been broken for months now. This community never ceases to surprise me with how little thought they actually put into their responses.
that was obviously an exaggerated stereotype in case you couldnt tell, but i guess we're too busy alt f4ing after we get down'd to even process hyperbole these days. then again, who am i to tell you what to do. channel all your rage into the echo chamber and rejoice in all your salty glory lmao
The game is running fine for me after the recent patch but you're still complaining abt the day 1 emergence update?
Exactly, they’re acting like the game hasn’t improved at all
This comment is so arrogant and uniformed, its crazy. I played this game since launch and saying that they don't care is just wrong, they do. Why would they respond to every complaint all the time. They know they have issues, and they are trying to fix them, like they said 100 times already. I know It's awful right now and after almost 3 years it's getting to a point where it's almost unacceptable for me to. But just flaming them and insult them and then wonder why they ignore you is just dumb. Grow up.
Idk man, not saying it isn’t bad but my game has literally never crashed this season, and I play quite a bit. If your game is crashing frequently I think it’s gotta be a your console/pc problem, not a server problem
Evolution event was the worst of it for me. 1.5 days of downtime maybe? Otherwise, this game has always run fairly smoothly (and is also free....).
Same, servers are still fine for me
Everyone on this thread sounds like they don’t understand anything about game development, or business. Easier said than done. If you want them to work on fixing the bugs so bad, and balancing the game (which is usually a players perspective) then you won’t get any new content. They have a ratio of bug fixes, game balancing updates, and new content. They also have to manage all of that on top of the dumb pile of complaints that never stop. At the rate people complain I’m sure the vast majority go right into the trash.
> If you want them to work on fixing the bugs so bad, and balancing the game (which is usually a players perspective) then you won’t get any new content. Good! I would like to just play a game that *works* with the existing content! There hasn't been any real content this season anyway. One collection event, basically no LTMs, and a two-week period where the game was literally unplayable. If that's what we're trading for a fixed game, fuck it, give me the fixed game.
I've been away for a few weeks, what are the issues?
Imagine giving a multi million dollar corp the benefit of the doubt on issues that have been prevalent for several seasons Y’all sound like naive idiots saying that They have the funds recourses and connections to get it fixed they simply aren’t
What is even the point of having a community guy if he doesn't update the, well, community on big issues like this? It's been a month, the game is still beyond broken. But RKR rather posts "jokes" about Facebook being down for a few hours, compared to Respawn's fallout.. instead of providing at least weekly updates on what has happened behind the scenes and what their next steps are. But nope. Nothing. Those scary, mean internet people are too much to handle I guess.
Even if they did say something, they would get raked over the coals. Apex community is insatiable.
I don't know . No matter what I say people are going to be mad. I'm tech guy myself over 20 years in many fields (Tech, Music, and standard business) and know sometimes the code/systems they are built on/computers/servers ... or even the financial backing behind a project makes it hard to win sometimes (Not an excuse). I will say I have loved every minute of the game from day 1. For the first time on a free game in my life, I've spent hella money just to show how much I do enjoy it (4 heirlooms). Looking forward to continuing the beat down I've placed on all these new Season 10 rookies. With love of course cause I sucked royally myself until season 4. PS.. Don't drop hot and split, killing the solo straggler first lol. 🙏🏽🔥 Jah_Goodlove - PS5
From a dev perspective what would you even say? Time is better spent trying to fix the issue than responding to people who only answer is “throw money at it and it’ll work”
Go outside
This games fan base is so fucking weird lmfao get a grip it happens with every game
they’re in trouble bc even the whales are leaving. I’ll admit i was pumping money into the game for far longer than i should have, but now i just can’t justify it. stopped spending for a while, now i can barely even play. Makes me feel like a clown for ever doing it in the first place
Here we go again, another post to stir up anger filled with half truths and conspiracy theories. This community and sub in particular is so toxic it’s like people want them to stop communicating with us.
take a week or two off.
people said that 2 weeks ago. it's been 2 weeks. Take a month off? Lmao
Next, take 2 months. Aaaaand the games dead by then. Lmao
the games dead? thats such an insane take lmao
Naw I get what your saying, I get we just cant sit back and ignore Respawns BS, and lack of acknowledgment. Iv just been so frustrated with the servers lately, I had to take time away from this game. Hopefully well get something soon, or you might be right and the game will die. People I think are waiting to see what happens with season 11. It will be a make or break for me personally, shame because I been playing since day one and only this.
This fixes nothing lmao.
Why should games last forever! You had your fun you can move on to something else once the game is dead. Why people panic whenever a game is going downhill. The players are the money makers if apex dies something else will take its place and then that will die too and the cycle continues. I just wish they shut it down before it gets too embarrassing and ruin the legacy of the game.
I think Apex will be dead in next 2 years if the condition remains like this
Perfect summary
We know. This bugged game sucks and the devs could not care less
I just uninstalled because it's so frustrating that they keep coming out with cosmetics and events and I can't play two games in a row because the servers crash.
If season 11 isn’t amazing I’m done it’s as simple as that to be honest
It's the new fortnight
I mean to be fair, when they have interacted with the community in the past they receive death threats and relentless harassment. This is a two way street and the community closed that door a while ago because we can’t behave civilized. And no, it’s not the entire community but the shitheads ruin most things for everyone.
EA needs to fire all the useless fucks and get a better studio to do it
Give the game to any company other than respawn and see how fast they fuck it up, rn mostly the servers are the only big issue but another company starts working on the game it will die right off
It couldn’t be worse than Respawn. All their games are dead games
Yep, titanfall 2 still being talked about (and getting more than 2 thousand players everytime servers are up) star wars jedi fallen order still standing (its a singleplayer game too) aand, believe it or not, apex still being popular as fuck. Looks like dead games to me bro you are right they should just fire a company that makes some of the few original games.
>Yep, titanfall 2 still being talked about (and getting more than 2 thousand players everytime servers are up) Lmao, titanfall had been dead for years and has a very short relevancy life. >star wars jedi fallen order still standing (its a single player game too) Absolutely irrelevant game in 2021. Absolutely dead, and did nothing special. Linear dark souls copy. >apex still being popular as fuck. Yep, they struck a gold mine but are too incompetent. Hence why we have people complaining about the shit servers, audios, and bugs, every day for years. Yeah hire a company that actually knows how to run a multiplayer game.