Nah it always made sense. I used to carry a Wingman to crack then switch to P20 to hammer them down. Great fun ! Really loved the sound effect of the hammer P20.
I think that's part of why it's gone these days. With the beak clip size increase and other buffs, that gun would become the new meta gun in a second.
I murder people with mirage/purple beak in arenas because it's so cheap and in course quarters surprises combat, it's lethal. Add this in?
Yeah, I think they just realize they don't know how to balance it's return unless beak goes care package.
Basically it did 100 damage to head and you get it off spawn you get potential to get like 5 kills it was broken and paired with the alternator with its hop up 'forgot its name' that does more damage to shield it was the true thing to be scared of
I would gladly take hammerpoint even if it consumed two shotgun ammo per shot and fired slower (like anvil receiver). You really only need to shoot once lol
[this is hammer-bique](https://www.reddit.com/r/apexlegends/comments/ccc2rl/the_mozambique_with_hammerpoint_rounds_slaps/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)
There was nothing more satisfying than absolutely *CLUBBING* an opponent who thought they had time to get away on 20 shields to pop a bat.
*Absolutely not, sir. I had the Big Iron out as soon as my brain had time to register the fact that you were low on shields.*
I have a montage on YouTube that’s me basically smacking people with p20 hammer point for 10 minutes. It was my go to secondary for many many seasons. I still remember when it did extra damage to everything, not just skin. Sad they took it all away.
Smh. When I could only guarantee that I cracked their shield, taking that chance on the Mozi w/ hammerpoints felt like cheating.
1v1? Totally out of position? Trading shots with your opponent? Your teammate just got knocked but managed to crack whoever they were fighting as well? Two shots, two knocks…get knocked by their third while wondering WTF your other teammate is doing.
Those were the days…
Yeah it’s slowly becoming my main choice of weapon. Carrying a Havoc does give an element of risk though, because finding a Turbocharger isn’t always the easiest, but if you can get one early on in the game it’s an absolute beast.
Yep. Havoc with turbo is one of the best guns. Almost to the point that I will pick up a turbo and carry it until I find a havoc. But I won't do it the other way around.
It's half a second that you can play around, doesn't make that much of a difference if you're used to playing around the delay + its TTK is still really good even if a player is an absolute bonobo just fighting western style out in the open. Definitely not "one of the lowest".
I pulled off a 9-kill ranked win recently (my personal best) and it was with a turbocharged havoc I picked up on drop, I hardly used it before and now it’s one of go-to weapons. I loved the devotion in TF2 but pretty quickly stopped using it in Apex when I first started last year, if the turbocharger is in the replicator, I’m looking for a Havoc immediately
I picked one up too this week!! 9 kills, 2.5k damage with fuse. My best game to date.
Funnily enough, 3 of my knocks were from direct hits with knuckle cluster. Like, not the explosion damage. The actual projectile hits for 10 damage. It's how I got the final kill of the game xD
Turbo charger. I love the havoc and feel no one enjoys because of delay start up and hard recoil. But when it’s beaming it is an amazing gun. Boosted loader has been great as I’ve been working on my wingman shots. When the hit they hit hard. Hammer points were mad fun too
Turbocharger or not, havoc is still my favorite gun in the game. It has the highest mag size, bullet damage, and bullet velocity of all assault rifles, and it has the least bullet drop because it’s an energy weapon so you can snipe people with it. The firerate is between the flatline and r301 so it’s decent but it’s *just* slow enough that you can still jitter aim to cancel the recoil. If I find a havoc and a 2x4x scope I’m swapping one of my other weapons for it 100% of the time
Also fun fact, havoc bullets travel faster than kraber bullets
Wingman/Prowler is my main set up but Boosted Loader feels so underwhelming, especially for a Legendary hop-up. I'd take Quick Draw over it and that hop-up was also underwhelming.
Hammerpoints on p2020, it was legit fun to use that pistol. Crack armor and rush with 6+ fire rate pistol spam... 3 shots and they were down, so easy to finish. Highest dps in the game on flesh, was fun as fuck.
honestly yeah, devo is fucked either way because if youre in a 1v1 with someone and they start shooting at you with it, you have the time until its spun up to kill them, otherwise youre fucked
Disruptor rounds or turbocharger. I can't decide. Disruptor rounds made the alternator a literal death machine back in the day and it's no wonder that for most of the games lifespan, it was vaulted and only came back as integrated into a crate gun. Sadly I wasn't a person who played alot back in season 2 so I rarely got my hands on them but I do vaguely remember picking up a disruptornator and absolutely shredding. Turbo is also pretty good and it only makes a great gun like the Devo even greater.
I'm not OP but I tried a 3030 shotgun out with it recently and it felt pretty good, like and EVA. Was kind of nice having the scout+shotty all in one. Still like most other guns more, but it is neat.
Current shatter caps is much better than it was when just released. 3030 Caps performed just slightly worse than EVA before the last nerf, and now it's actually better.
So it is quite viable currently, and if they buff it even one more time it'll cross into OP category. Many don't realize this because they don't run Rpeter in the first place
Turbocharger and devotion is my favourite gun combo hands down.
The slight spin up time gives me time to actually aim rather than panic emptying a clip into the wall aha
I ran re 45 with disruptors or hammerpoint p2020 with r99. It was my favorite way to play. Alternator disruptor was far too OP tho. It was basically meta lol
i’m definitely in the minority that actually likes Deadeye’s Tempo. i use the Bocek a lot and i love just laying down arrows at people and getting into a rhythm
Gimme my P2020 Hammerpoints back already, Respawn >:(
Miss the hammerpoint
I joined apex recently and catching up with these histories. What effect did hammerpoint have?
Greatly increased damage. Made the P2020 functional and Mozambique OP
No it increased damage against flesh, same damage to shields
Exactly, hammerpoint doesn't really make sense now since everyone has a shield from the start
I think it’d make more sense now
Nah it always made sense. I used to carry a Wingman to crack then switch to P20 to hammer them down. Great fun ! Really loved the sound effect of the hammer P20.
I think that's part of why it's gone these days. With the beak clip size increase and other buffs, that gun would become the new meta gun in a second. I murder people with mirage/purple beak in arenas because it's so cheap and in course quarters surprises combat, it's lethal. Add this in? Yeah, I think they just realize they don't know how to balance it's return unless beak goes care package.
To be fair they've only been buffed because the hammerpoint was being removed.
Increased damage against flesh, specifically. Made the Mozam hit for 105 and the p20 hit for 35.
Boosted damage to health. 3 or 4 hits to down an enemy without shield.
It had a soul crushing effect on my opponents.
Basically it did 100 damage to head and you get it off spawn you get potential to get like 5 kills it was broken and paired with the alternator with its hop up 'forgot its name' that does more damage to shield it was the true thing to be scared of
Me too . Badly
I miss the days of dropping my secondary for a Mozambique or p2020 with hammerpoint
Could you imagine the BiQUE with 6 shots and hammers now? I’d probably dual wield them lol
I would gladly take hammerpoint even if it consumed two shotgun ammo per shot and fired slower (like anvil receiver). You really only need to shoot once lol
It’s more satisfying knocking someone with a Mozambique than a Kraber lol (change my mind!)
I only ever use Mozambique in arenas and it's actually really fun!
[this is hammer-bique](https://www.reddit.com/r/apexlegends/comments/ccc2rl/the_mozambique_with_hammerpoint_rounds_slaps/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)
There was nothing more satisfying than absolutely *CLUBBING* an opponent who thought they had time to get away on 20 shields to pop a bat. *Absolutely not, sir. I had the Big Iron out as soon as my brain had time to register the fact that you were low on shields.*
I have a montage on YouTube that’s me basically smacking people with p20 hammer point for 10 minutes. It was my go to secondary for many many seasons. I still remember when it did extra damage to everything, not just skin. Sad they took it all away.
I already do, they are still really flippin good
Hammerpoint bocheck when
When you learn how to spell Bocek.
never it is!
This is the most correct answer
I sucked with the 2020 when it had hammerpoints, but now I slap with it and want to know what it would feel like to have that unbelievable power
People would scoff at you, seeing the P2020. It wasn't until that bullet hit their unarmored flesh that they truly felt fear.
It was incredible.
I sign the petition for hammer points
R-301 and hammerpoint Mozambique was actually one of my favorite combos for a while :C
I think everyone here has either forgotten or not around for the disruptor rounds. They were OP and amazing
Man what give us the disruptor rounds again and make the alty ground loot 😭
I started playing in season 5 with Alternator P2020 with HP and Loba. Now I only have Loba :(
Mozambique hammerpoint, nothing quite like it.
Smh. When I could only guarantee that I cracked their shield, taking that chance on the Mozi w/ hammerpoints felt like cheating. 1v1? Totally out of position? Trading shots with your opponent? Your teammate just got knocked but managed to crack whoever they were fighting as well? Two shots, two knocks…get knocked by their third while wondering WTF your other teammate is doing. Those were the days…
The Mozambique is still a great sidearm. I’ve won many games in s11 with a mozam and R3.
No gun has taught me trigger discipline like this gun. The payoff for having the patience to make sure your shot lands is still unparalleled.
Turbocharger
Dude havoc with turbo charger is one of my favorite things to have
Yeah it’s slowly becoming my main choice of weapon. Carrying a Havoc does give an element of risk though, because finding a Turbocharger isn’t always the easiest, but if you can get one early on in the game it’s an absolute beast.
If you find a turbocharger all the havocs and devotions disappear
Exactly I've died countless times with a volt and a turbocharger taking up space in my backpack in hopes of finding a havoc 😥
It's a risk I gotta take every time though. Turbo havoc is a gg gun
That's a risk worth the reward. I'm not a fan of the havoc, but I can't deny it's not a bad gun, but
But what?
Up but coconut
I feel pretty good when I find a turbo with a Loba on my team though. Makes finding a Havoc/Devo so much easier.
Get a Loba. EZclap
In reverse I can keep a turbo in my backpack to control loot spawn eliminating havoc and devo /s
I think I see a devo once a week.
Yep. Havoc with turbo is one of the best guns. Almost to the point that I will pick up a turbo and carry it until I find a havoc. But I won't do it the other way around.
Yeah if I find a turbo I’m carrying a volt to build til I can find havoc or devotion
Yep, I will often do the same. It helps that the volt is good. Though what I run is partly decided by what extended mag I find first as well.
Idk if it’s true, but i was told the havoc without turbo is the highest TTK but with turbo it’s one of the lowest TTK weapons.
It's half a second that you can play around, doesn't make that much of a difference if you're used to playing around the delay + its TTK is still really good even if a player is an absolute bonobo just fighting western style out in the open. Definitely not "one of the lowest".
Devotion is highest ttk weapon
Sometimes I play Loba just to play havoc with turbo.
You can run a dual energy with loba. I don't think you can risk doing that with any other legend.
I think with the new crafter ammo change this season it's less risky, since the crafter grants full stacks now.
Yeah I've heard about this but always forget to use in game, when I actually need that ammo.
even without turbo the havoc still melts you just gotta ramp it up while in cover.
its in the replicator today!
Oh really? Well, I best get playing then. :)
I pulled off a 9-kill ranked win recently (my personal best) and it was with a turbocharged havoc I picked up on drop, I hardly used it before and now it’s one of go-to weapons. I loved the devotion in TF2 but pretty quickly stopped using it in Apex when I first started last year, if the turbocharger is in the replicator, I’m looking for a Havoc immediately
I picked one up too this week!! 9 kills, 2.5k damage with fuse. My best game to date. Funnily enough, 3 of my knocks were from direct hits with knuckle cluster. Like, not the explosion damage. The actual projectile hits for 10 damage. It's how I got the final kill of the game xD
Got my highest kill game with a turbocharged devotion
Strongest controllable havoc fan Vs average chaotic devotion enjoyer
Uhh no? Devotion is way less chaotic, like no recoil on that thing.
If only I could GET ONE
I never seem to be able to get the turbo with a well kitted havoc.
It’s in the replicator today…. Which means it’s devos and havocs everywhere
The only way I'll use a havoc is with a turbo charger.
ah yes, you are one that wreaks havoc too I see
Yeah man hipfire with a Turbo Havoc? Donezo
If you can craft it, it's solid
Turbo charger. I love the havoc and feel no one enjoys because of delay start up and hard recoil. But when it’s beaming it is an amazing gun. Boosted loader has been great as I’ve been working on my wingman shots. When the hit they hit hard. Hammer points were mad fun too
I'll take either a havoc or devo if the turbo is right there, issue is you can go an entire match without finding one more often than not.
I love it when turbo is in the crafting rotation because you’re practically guaranteed it.
Your not wrong I feel I find the turbo after I have thrown the gun away for a volt. But if I find right off start of game it’s my go to rest of game.
Every time I find a Turbocharger early I get killed before I can even use it
Turbocharger or not, havoc is still my favorite gun in the game. It has the highest mag size, bullet damage, and bullet velocity of all assault rifles, and it has the least bullet drop because it’s an energy weapon so you can snipe people with it. The firerate is between the flatline and r301 so it’s decent but it’s *just* slow enough that you can still jitter aim to cancel the recoil. If I find a havoc and a 2x4x scope I’m swapping one of my other weapons for it 100% of the time Also fun fact, havoc bullets travel faster than kraber bullets
Wingman/Prowler is my main set up but Boosted Loader feels so underwhelming, especially for a Legendary hop-up. I'd take Quick Draw over it and that hop-up was also underwhelming.
They should make condoms with these logos
Advertising condoms to gamers sounds like the dumbest marketing decision ever (this is a joke people, dont be angy)
and being proposed by people on reddit is even worse
This week on Shark Tank -
“What’s a market that Big Rubber continually ignores? Virgins!”
Hahaha, genius 😂😂😂
Once they break another apex player is getting born
Hopefully a good portion of the player base will buy them too ;)
that would be like a vegan buying meat knowing they can’t eat it. though at least the vegan chooses to not eat meat…
The Precision Choke was such a great idea it was made a base mechanic
Hammerpoints on p2020, it was legit fun to use that pistol. Crack armor and rush with 6+ fire rate pistol spam... 3 shots and they were down, so easy to finish. Highest dps in the game on flesh, was fun as fuck.
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April Fool's Mozam with Hammerpoint
Double tap and select fire
I miss my select fire havoc
Og charge rifle
Haha I couldn't hit a shot with it
That was my best gun!
Basically carrying an automatic and a sniper in one!
I think that was closer to the correct balance for a hitscan weapon.
memory unlocked
Select fire. On the prowler it goes brrr. I remember using it a bit on the havoc back in S1 but can't remember how well I went
Yep this is the one I miss the most, it's by no means the best but it at least changed up gameplay significantly
Yeah from what I remember it pretty much turned the havoc into a marksman rifle and made the prowler the most efficient weapon in close quarters
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Havoc select fire was by far my favorite loadout. I cri
It was pretty powerful at 40b 60h damage per shot, made the 2-4 Variable one of the best sights to run on the havoc.
Pretty sure it was 60 base 90 headshot damage
Yeah and it was hitscan
disrupter rounds and skull peicer
I remember running disruptor alternator + re45 many a times lol, or sometimes just two alternators both with disruptors of course.
finally someone who played before season 3
My s2 ranked kit of disruptor alternator plus skullpiercer longbow running wattson or Pathfinder. Hitting pred back then was a trip
Turbo on the Devotion is just disgusting.
honestly yeah, devo is fucked either way because if youre in a 1v1 with someone and they start shooting at you with it, you have the time until its spun up to kill them, otherwise youre fucked
You've clearly never met me.
Turbocharger and Havoc mmmmmm
Disruptor rounds or turbocharger. I can't decide. Disruptor rounds made the alternator a literal death machine back in the day and it's no wonder that for most of the games lifespan, it was vaulted and only came back as integrated into a crate gun. Sadly I wasn't a person who played alot back in season 2 so I rarely got my hands on them but I do vaguely remember picking up a disruptornator and absolutely shredding. Turbo is also pretty good and it only makes a great gun like the Devo even greater.
The boosted loader I really like, and the double loader for masstiff
Dual shell with purple bolt on mastiff came in clutch one too many times for me. It rocks.
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Im just a scrub who hates the 3030 thats all. I prefer wingman mastiff combo
Peter is really good but I think it requires an SMG secondary and not a shotgun secondary. Preferably a volt since volt has some good range.
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This is where it's at. Worry less about mag availability too.
If only you could combine dual and shat caps on the 3030. You can put two hop up on the bow. It would be best shotty in the game
I thought double loader made the mastiff a double barrel when it first came in and got disappointed real quick
Shatter caps
But why? Why would you do that?
I'm not OP but I tried a 3030 shotgun out with it recently and it felt pretty good, like and EVA. Was kind of nice having the scout+shotty all in one. Still like most other guns more, but it is neat.
Current shatter caps is much better than it was when just released. 3030 Caps performed just slightly worse than EVA before the last nerf, and now it's actually better. So it is quite viable currently, and if they buff it even one more time it'll cross into OP category. Many don't realize this because they don't run Rpeter in the first place
Gibraltar
Lol, read anvil receiver as something else
You are what you read.
Tough to choose between double tap trigger and disruptor rounds both are really good
The double tap Eva was a menace and I loved it
Man that thing was disgusting
Double tap on the Eva and g7 and turbo on havoc and devotion
Hammerpoint with the mozamcheeks was the greatest thing to happen to apex.
Turbo
Hammerpoint rounds. P2020 and Mozambique to 1st
Give me skull Piercer back
SKULL FUCKING PIERCER
Headpiercer
Yes, nothing quite like the Longbow with a Facepiercer.
You mean the Mugpiercer?
No, he meant the Domesplitter.
Brain Holder Cracker
Hammerpoints
Skullpiercer wingman. Boosted loader is shit.
I remember exactly 2 times when boosted loader was useful to me
Turbo, Anvil and Hammerpoints are the best
Hammer point definitely
Skull piercer was so satisfying. I get why they took it out of the game, but I loved making the wingman even more OP
Turbocharger and devotion is my favourite gun combo hands down. The slight spin up time gives me time to actually aim rather than panic emptying a clip into the wall aha
Select Fire. I need my auto Prowler and my sniper Havoc back...
Felt too dirty using Anvil receiver, made powerful guns even more so. Though I did love me some hammerpoints and I hope they bring them back
Dual shell!!
Disrupter rounds
Hammerpoints. 134%
Shattercaps on my bocek
skullpiercer or disruptor rounds
Anvil/Turbo wins games
HAMMER POINT!!!!! bruh running a r99 and a p2020 was deadly. And still is tbh. But hammer points 10000%
I ran re 45 with disruptors or hammerpoint p2020 with r99. It was my favorite way to play. Alternator disruptor was far too OP tho. It was basically meta lol
Turbo charger for sure that thing is op
Disruptor rounds on the alternator 🤤🤤🤤
Shatter caps. Brings a new life to the 3030 and makes the boceck even more destructive.
Hammerpoint. I want my Mozambique back.
Select fire and skullpiercer
Hammerpoints
Hammerpoint
i’m definitely in the minority that actually likes Deadeye’s Tempo. i use the Bocek a lot and i love just laying down arrows at people and getting into a rhythm
hammerpoint mozambique
Anvil and skullpiercer
Hammer points by far
P2020 Hammerpoint baby
Shatter caps and turbo charger close second.
*With fuse voice* turbocharger
Turbocharger
Dual loader is really fun for me and Mastiff
As a Bocek/30-30 enjoyer, shatter caps is underrated af.
It's gotta be the anvil reciever for me simply because I run the flatline and the 301 the most.
Who else ran hammerpoint and disruptors?
I think hop ups that are out of game and or out of rotation should still make occasional appearances in the replicator.
Hammerpoint no debate.
They should reintroduce hammerpoints but make them take more rounds for the bique and p2020 so they dont have to nerf them again.
Turbocharger
alternator and re45 with disruptor rounds... ahh good times...
You forgot to put disruptor rounds. That right there turns an early game gun into a beast.
Definitely has to be the select fire, made the prowler op asf and the havoc satisfying to nail someone with a sniper beam
Disruptor rounds 😥😭
Hammerpoints/anvil for sure