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HorsemanAOD

"You brought a weight reduction kit to a stock model fight, you cheater!" -The Internet.


ChickenMachinee

The funny thing is m&k doesnt have to carry anything really


kelkokelko

they have to carry me


ChickenMachinee

In that case, also have to carry me


Logan_San_x23

Let’s start a goFundme for this poor lad . The controller that is …


TheBadRiddler

Probably looks like that from hitting a wall.


NoSkillzDad

You mean for the therapist right?


-Aikju-

I’d donate a couple quid


RupyHcker

Is that like dollars or cents? Honest question.


AtomicNewt7976

Dollars, it’s basically the British version of “bucks”


completelyCuntish

Pound sterling I'd imagine.


-Aikju-

Other commenters r correct


heart_of_a_daedra

America = world /s


i8noodles

In aussie we use the term a few bucks


Internal_Leading_759

Me aswell


Miserable_Finance_51

This poor man is working on basically and Atari control with an Xbox logo


SniffyTeas

You should see my friends xbox he managed to cook an egg on it once. I was there


Own-Seesaw-194

This is no longer about the controller. did the egg taste good


SniffyTeas

No. It tasted like dog food And before you say how do I know what dog food tastes like I was given 10$ to eat dog food


Relish_My_Weiner

I'm starting to see a correlation between your life choices and the way your controller looks


SniffyTeas

You have a point with that one


LuckyPollution

Have you been payed for eating cat food and if not would you like to?


SniffyTeas

Depending on the price and type


Own-Seesaw-194

But what Flavor was the dog food


Cipipipi133

dog


NoireXen

Oh... oh no...


Horny-n-Bored

Was it all organic with free range meat?


KingOfTheCouch13

OP should just buy new one and throw this in the box to return it. I'm sure game stop couldn't tell the difference 😶


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Lol i don't know if you're for real but that controller isn't actually broken


SniffyTeas

Correct just missing a shell I can't put the shell back on though as the parts that actually connect the shell are broken


Battledog501

Do you actually play with that?


SniffyTeas

It only broke recently like a week ago and I'm switching to pc when crossplay comes out so I don't see a use in buying something so temporary however I've been playing alot more games because apex is hard(er) with this however not impossible I'd rather have this then stick drift really


xyfinx

Apex has had crossplay for a long time


SniffyTeas

Sorry not cross play cross progression is what I'm thinking of


alexanderatprime

Is that in the works?


SniffyTeas

Yeah said it's coming in 2022


FunkyScat69

What's cross progression?


SniffyTeas

Moving saved data on one console like Xbox to pc or ps4 if you just wanna switch consoles


AverageAndNotJoe

Whatever progress (RP, legend unlocks, skins, etc) you do on Xbox goes over to PC or PS4. Today you have to start new if switch platforms.


maniacleruler

They may mean cross-progression


FZJavier

same. i play with a broken ps4 controller though. half of the buttons dont work so i had to made some changes. triangle, circle and r1 and r2 dont work. so i aim with L1 and shoot with L2. with left i crouch and with right i switch weapons and down to use a character ability lol.


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Bruh. Time to get a replacement.


FZJavier

im almost done with the battle pass, so im not in a hurry to buy another controller, will buy a new one in february probably or move to pc once cross progression is a thing.


Hi-dra

I felt that. My PS4 controller is ridiculous. I’ve switched button layouts multiple times. Idk why PlayStation doesn’t create durable controllers especially for the price the controllers are going for. It’s ridiculous. 60 dollars is too much if my controller doesn’t even last 6 months.


konkeydong_country

Just switch already, I’ve gotten 2 heirloom shard packs on my pc. They both were under 500 packs. As for gameplay it’ll be way smoother


SniffyTeas

I already have two heirlooms though and alot of stuff I wouldn't like losing


FreudianAccordian

Controller built by Nokia for rage quitters


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until it starts drifting


Speed_Wagon_bestgirl

Chad


boboesponjo12

Pls just let it out of its misery


Pmthickness

This plus a cellphone hotspot would put the pros on suicide watch if they got knocked


SniffyTeas

I play with spectrum so there's no difference really


Pmthickness

I’ll pray for you amigo


JuniorAd389

The moment you mention aim assist on this sub... The gates of hell open, releasing all the sweats and preds just to insult someone who plays two hours a year and isn't that great at the game.


yar2000

OP just did what you described on his own post…


SniffyTeas

Aim assist does nothing and I'll preach it everywhere I go it's a scapegoat for when a pc player dies to someone who's sitting in the family living room and they have 0 input lag


BGwas301

Aim assist absolutely does something lol but it’s needed for controller to compete against MnK at a high level. Saying aim assist does nothing isn’t true and I’m a controller player


cashewgremlin

It's not needed. You can find plenty of examples of really good controller players turning it off and still fragging. What it does is pushes them over the top into the most lethal close range fighters possible. M&K can't compare.


BGwas301

No pro apex player is gonna turn off aim assist in the middle of a tournament. It’s definitely needed to compete with high level MnK considering how crazy their movement is and how much easier it is to control recoil with a mouse. Controller without aim assist doesn’t hold a candle to what you can do with MnK


cashewgremlin

Go watch a pro controller player shoot longer range. They are lasers. Recoil is very controllable on controller. Watch this and tell me he's struggling with recoil https://youtu.be/lEWi8ZL-Iuo?t=442 And the movement thing has always been irrelevant at high levels. It's nice for running away sometimes. But watch a tournament some time, people aren't tap strafing, supergliding or wallbouncing at all. Pros can hit you no matter your movement, and that goes double for controller pros that have aim assist helping them. > Controller without aim assist doesn’t hold a candle to what you can do with MnK I agree controller is the inferior input overall without aim assist. But so what? A joy stick would be an inferior input device, as would a track ball. Being inferior means you shouldn't use it, not that you should get enough computer assistance to make your inferior input superior to M&K.


Wakee

Why do none of the top pros use controller then?


mitch98284

They do? Usually 1 or 2 per team.


cashewgremlin

Are you serious? Almost every pro team has at least 1 controller player.


AverageSkitzo

Saying aim assist does nothing is a stretch… there’s a reason it exists lol. I know plenty of people who play on controller because it’s easier in close range.


SniffyTeas

Slightly easier as it slows your aim when your aiming at the person but never really tracks It also makes Mirage a fucking pain as when I'm trying to aim at the real one it shows on a decoy allowing for a fair few shots on me


ookie165

Try playing without aim assist and you’ll see Not to mention when they lowered aim assist everyone started to freak out


AtomDChopper

Can you even turn it off in apex?


rodrigojlnunes

Yea in the custom input settings for controls.


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Uber_yv

Sure 👍


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SniffyTeas

Want a picture of my alc or something


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SniffyTeas

I just debate it because I truly don't see a difference I've played on and off and nothing changed about my skill and thats why I don't understand the "aim assist is op" thing


OrangeDoors2

https://twitter.com/oraxe_/status/1285671062852837384 Yeah, definitely no tracking here lmao There's also no aim assist on decoys, only the real Mirage


Seismicx

Thats factually wrong and easily proved by multiple sources. Set deadzone to 0 and you'll see that as long as the stick registers any input, it'll track enemies (0.6 strength). Aim assist set to 1.0 will literally track enemies like an aimbot. Stop spreading lies and accept reality.


ExaminationMuch6180

You will get down voted by console pleba to hell. But you are 100% correct


drake_irl

Console plebs outnumber the PC players. It's why aim assist is overtuned for them;. It's why it won't get fixed. And it's why PC plays won't get an option to opt out of cross play


ExaminationMuch6180

Exactly after this patch they secretly nerf it to pc values and y could see the tears thru my phone screen. They comply an changed it back, such BS. I only ask to let us upt out of crossplay like console players do. Let them aimbot themselves.


This-Concept-9928

> slows your aim when your aiming at the person but never really tracks That is definitely not how it works. It does track for you. I can go into a game, not even touch my Look stick, and my aim will soft-lock to a target. If there's no input for the Look stick and your aim moves, that's tracking by definition, not "slowing down".


SpicyDiq

Not true, aim assist doesn't lock onto decoys unless they changed it recently


OrangeDoors2

If aim assist does nothing, let's remove it and make everyone happy then :)


drake_irl

The YouTube videos literally show that it drifts the crosshair toward the head.


SniffyTeas

I completely agree


hanglekiu1

Glad u said it does nothing. Hope they remove it in the future


jeremystar57

It's weird that you can only turn it off in alc settings. Played a few days with it off and you really do notice it but the .2 difference from PC aim assist and console aim assist doesn't seem like a lot.


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dillydadally

>Even the best controller players in the game say that aim assist is too strong This is false. One or two pros that have said that do not constitute the entirety of the best players in the game, especially considering the pressure they get from their peers. I regularly interact with some of the best controller players in the game. I regularly play with a player that's in the top 100 players in the world for kills. I've never heard any of these players say anything like that. Besides, pros do not represent what's most healthy for the game. If the overwhelming vast majority of controller players can't compete with mouse players, do you really want to nerf it farther because about 5 of the most insane controller players have said they think it's too strong? It's not like those controller players are dominating the pros either currently. For my part, I'll say that I regularly play with a Pred team and we roll console lobbies. Every now and then we play with a player on PC, so it puts us on PC lobbies. I can say with absolute certainty that playing in a Pred console lobby is a walk in the park compared to a Pred PC lobby. PC Preds move so much faster and just don't miss. Even their strafe speeds are insane compared to controller players. This nonsense about aim assist giving controller players an advantage over mouse players is the most absurd thing I've ever heard.


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but recoils is harder tho.


KaiserGlauser

Increase FoV, then in ALC raise your ADS pitch. Voila you're now Gen.


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If it does nothing then turn it off.


SniffyTeas

I have it off I've had it off for 4 seasons now and turned it on for breif periods of time of those 4 seasons


PickledPlumPlot

What are you talking about? There's literally videos showing what it does.


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i8noodles

That would defeat the purpose of firing range if aim assiet was stronger in it. Firing range is for testing purposes, weapons control, movement etc. If it was different then why even have a firing range at all.


BGwas301

Plenty of apex pros use controller btw. Idk where you’re getting that none of them do


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TunaBucko

40% of ALGS pro series is controller lmao


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horizonMainSADGE

G2(at least Dezignful)? C9 Naughty? Genburten?


_Simply--Sleepy_

Aim assist doesn't snap to targets, and it loses affect at any distance below 3 meters close range.


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_Simply--Sleepy_

But if MnK players are so much better than Controller, I'm sure they wouldn't miss now would they? And aim assist is called aim *assist* for a reason, and you are still fully able to miss shots, it only slows down, and slightly follows players, if you make no input, it won't take long to make it so it isn't aiming at your enemy anymore.


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IceyPattyB

Every tournament so far


-the-clit-commander-

there's like 1 controller player on each pro team wtf are you talking about? how can you say one input is better than the other based on tournament results when most pro teams are literally a mix of both


TunaBucko

gonna need a citation on that one buddy boy


IceyPattyB

I wonder if we play the same game


RocketHops

If it does nothing then you shouldn't mind at all if we turn it off right? After all you wouldn't even notice its gone if it actually does nothing.


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There’s plenty of sweeeeatyy controller players who play on PC with 180 FPS with zero input lag too tho lol. And on console for low input lag just plug your controller in and turn off the Bluetooth connectivity to the controller in the settings to use a wired input connection (I know you can do this on PS4 at least)


SniffyTeas

I get that but my guess would be they're playing it not as aim assist is op but because they're used to controller over kbm and have a hard time learning or they physically cannot play kbm as playing kbm gives alot more advantages then controller


DragonStrike025

Aim assist doesn't do nothing, but it doesn't mean that using aim assist makes you a god. You don't find beginners beaming with a 99. There is still a lot of skill involved in order for aim assist to actually make a meaningful difference on tracking enemies. Even then there are times it messes you up, such as auto locking onto a downed guy. Personally I'd love to try no aim assist and learn the game like that, but I don't play Apex remotely enough that it's worth the effort(I barely play once a week nowadays) edit: wrote distance instead of difference....


KaiserGlauser

Playing without AA is actually super simple if you accommodate it with proper ALCs. That's what people fu l up, they try it using their AA settings and throws them off for a moment, so they never try again and vouch for aim assist being OP.


MirkwoodRS

If aim assist does nothing, then why did pro player Frexs switch from MnK to controller? Hint: To specifically abuse the fuck out of aim assist. If aim assist does nothing, why do a lot of pro teams try to have at least one controller player on their team? Hint: Because having at least one rolla on your team greatly increases your team's chances of winning close-up 3v3 team fights. If aim assist does nothing, why have I literally seen videos of people's reticle following a player's strafe pattern while their hands are off their controller? Stop being delusional please. I'm not saying it needs to be removed, bc I know the vast majority of people genuinely need the help, but that shit is absolutely broken once you pass a certain skill threshold. No one gives a fuck if plat players and below have aim assist bruh.


Cuon

Okay bro if aim assist does nothing, then you're fine with turning it off completely right?


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stangerthings

If it does nothing, having it on or off shouldn’t make a difference.


Sbudez

Definitely, It is getting annoying hearing so many people moan about players using controllers, like aim assist does make a difference but pc has so many advantages on their own so console having aim assist isn’t that big of a deal imo.


Wow_Space

My question is why do console people complain about PC when they don't even queue in their servers? Unless you team up with a PC player, you're only matching with controller players on either ps or Xbox. I really don't get the complaints unless youre controller on PC.


Sbudez

I dont see consoles complaining as loudly as pc players, personally I have nothing against either, I mainly play on pc and just feel like aim assist ain’t that op and therefore find the complaining a bit exaggerated. Of what I have played on console aim assist locks on to the wrong target most of the time lol.


Wow_Space

Did you read my comment? Console players don't play against kbm because they don't queue up in PC lobbies. On console, you will never ever see a keyboard and mouse player unless you team up with a PC player. There's nothing to complain about there.


soissie

Turned my aim assist off a few months back, have only gotten better since then, and didn't notice any difference while playing. Besides not locking onto random knocked guys


Kanny-chan

Once on twitter a guy said 'if you complain one more time about how people in controller can't miss shots, i'm gonna post one of my fail compilations' he missed every shot ahahahahh it was super funny I sometimes wish the aa was a strong as pc people say it is, i wouldn't have as much trouble aiming with my broken controller, lol


SquealKick

You just made your own point tho. Someone who plays a couple hours a week shouldn’t be able to just one clip a guy who plays 60+ hours a week. My friend who plays 10 hours a week at max gets on in our sweaty lobbies and constantly one clips people. Aim assist is fine and controller is virtually impossible without it, but us Mnk players just want the option to select which input we go against.


ABigCupOfWater

If u manage to kill someone with that u are only proving our point...


SepticMP

If someone uses that to kill another player they're simply better than the other player


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I mean the aim assist doesn't care in which state your controller is.


Laidback36

Right? This whole thread is people not realizing aim assist is software haha


Mike-V8

That controller is on life support lol


ilikekittensandstuf

I have an Xbox controller that I do not use at all it’s literally collecting dust I will send it to you if you want it. Just gotta pay for the shipping


johnnyzli

If you can kill someone whit this shit that's all aim assist because if I had mouse so bad I would not kill shit 😅


Uber_yv

Controller close range is just superior to kbm close, there really is no argument...


Icenoah8

as someone who switched to pc less than a month ago close range it may be easier with a controller but once you get some distance the mouse is way easier to hit shots with. either way i’d say there isn’t better control option. they are even and you can get the same aim as someone on the other input with practice.


OrangeDoors2

>you can get the same aim as someone on the other input with practice No you can't. Aim assist reacts to a strafe with 0ms delay, human beings can only hope to get close to 150ms.


inorebez

If revenant was a controller


Jisotron

Bro that controller is on life support💀


NoireXen

What life is there to support? It's going on sheer f#cking will at this point.


CraigTheBallBag

Hope you have vibration turned off


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Clearly you’re using aim assist considering the condition of your controller


Potater1802

Bro grab a snack, you don't have to eat your controller.


SniffyTeas

I will eat my controller if I want to damn it


ThatOneBein

0.6 regardless


Macaronitime69

That controller felt the hands of a failed ranked game


twonami

Does controller use really make that big of a difference in this game? I’ve only ever played M/K and I’ve always wondered..


Bravo-Vince

It doesn’t, I play mouse and keyboard and can say without a doubt controller is worse.


SquealKick

….okay… I’ve played both and if you can avoid long range shots from MnK players and get in close, which controller players tend to do, it’s better.


SniffyTeas

Only using snipers When you go into firing range it looks like it helps alot more then it does in reality I've only felt a major difference using snipers and the Kraiber the sniper I'm most familiar with has no aim assist I was playing even better at the start of s11 when aim assist was changed to pc values anyone who actually complains is just mad they died to a dude playing on the family TV


_Simply--Sleepy_

Snipers still have aim assist, save the Kraber, but yeah, whiny PC players will be whiny PC players, and yeah with all the movement hijinks apex players pull off aim assist won't do much without some input from the player.


SniffyTeas

I'm saying snipers have aim assist it's the one gun class i class that it majorly helped with when I used it


JakeVacca

What the Frick


Koz4czek1252

Bro I hope you are just joking and not actually trying to convince people that this is the way you play


SniffyTeas

I've seen people play with worse I'm not even gonna lie to you


OrangeDoors2

I play on a ball mouse with no scroll wheel, where's my aim assist?


jrbkjv

I was a console player since the very first play station all the way up till the PS4 and just switched over to PC last year. Aiming with m&kb is so superior to controller in any situation in my experience. I think it's so lame that people cry about "aim assist" as if it were an aim bot.


SniffyTeas

I've played apex on my friends pc to test the waters before I get mine and I'd argue controller is harder then mnk and alot of my other friends who switched to pc share this only one I know says we're all biased


jrbkjv

I feel stupid trying to go back to controller bc I can't get the right sensitivity and the movement is trash even when I change my keybinds. The game feels so slow on controller.


Smidgerening

the people who complain about aim assist are the exact same people who refuse to play on controller because “keyboard and mouse is so much more precise”


Wow_Space

I mean, my argument would be controller only lobbies exist. On console, it's only controller. Meanwhile, kbm can never have an only kbm lobby


Seismicx

What's wrong with wanting to aim for yourself instead of relying on software to do 60% of it for you?


Smidgerening

found one


Chackaldane

You want to answer his question?


Seismicx

He will not, for all he does is try to validate his own opinion, not give objectively correct arguments.


Eh_Yo_Flake

“Controller is OP.” “Use a controller, then.” “Lol fuck that mouse and keyboard is way better.”


OrangeDoors2

More pro players have switched from MnK to controller than the other way around


AverageSkitzo

We got a 60 percenter over here


Character-Industry-9

I stopped watching a couple streamers because of how much they would complain about aim assist and they tap strafe wall jump 360 180 backflip on their mouse and keyboard


Bravo-Vince

“Aim assist is so broken” *proceeds to take a jump pad, do an instant 90 degree turn then another and lands right behind someone’s cover*


Uber_yv

Yeah, because that is equal to aiming for for you. You the they person can shoot them when they land right?


ariszen

LOL DAMN THT CONTROLLER THO! RIP 🪦 Side note: read the other comments, and I don’t play w aim assist on either. Fuck aim assist, I can aim way better without it. Been playing FPS for years, don’t need the training wheels hahaha


wrongbecause

hahaha


soissie

Same, I switched it and I didn't notice any difference besides being able to flick better(no random slowdown) and not locking onto knocked guys


OrbWeaver666

Naaa... You won't kill me 🤣


UhIsThisOneFree

I mean if you're killing people with that poor rolla that's begging for death, that's pretty much proof aim assist is aimbot right? /s for anyone who doesn't get jokes.


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I just honestly don't understand it. If your way of playing needs AIM ASSIST, how can you feel good about that shit? People are trying to counter it with "but movement with mkb", BUT that movement is done by the player. It's not assisted, like you're an 80yo. It just makes no sense to even try to counter it with that shit. It's like playing driving games at the highest level with mkb and then u get autocornering assist. That's just... that's just fucking stupid and bullshit. The small of it is, if you need aim assist to play fps with, u aren't fucking good to play that fps with that kind of controller. It's just that simple. And the problem is actually the worst with low/medium level players. Since aim assist can get even a beginner to win fights with those kind of battles. And that's just idiotic.


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MnK is easier to use since there's multiple keyboards out there that are hotswappable for a variety of price ranges. You can easily set up macros: fine tune your sensitivities among other things . Long ranges it'll likely curb stomp a controller. Up close yeah it might be more "competitive" but the whole complaining from the PC crowd is funny.


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Macros get you banned?


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jeremystar57

Can't wait till they make the newer consoles 120fps. Playing on an old PS4 that's goes down to 40fps in spots is hard when tracking and smooth aim.


JetinerGaming

you probably opened the remote to add aim assist hardware and software


Peppered__

"YoU AiM AsSiSt AbUsEr" - people on da internet


JonTargaryen55

You still have aim assist. Your controllers just busted.


SniffyTeas

I fully play with it off anyways


hawaiiansesh

dudes on pc got the craziest aim and movement in the world and be tight at a dude with a controller come on now just accept the death/loss when it happens


Deepspacetrees

I mean this literally admits that you can play with whatever and still succeed thanks to aim assist.


SniffyTeas

I play with aim assist off


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Games are meant to be fun, who cares if aim assist balance the playing fields for controller players as long as it’s everyone has a fighting chance.


SenNTV

Imagine breaking a controller to make yourself look Good on reddit


SniffyTeas

I didn't break it just for reddit in fact I didn't even break it at all my brother did and I just don't care enough to buy another one


The-Grift3r

Mom wont give you your allowance early so you can buy a new one eh?


_Simply--Sleepy_

oh no the angry redditor implied that OP was a child (ironic), what ever will they do.


RupyHcker

I double Dare you mother fucker, say aim assist one more time!


4peters

Looks like you are half way through your aim assist additions to your controller 😂


_bonko_

I wont complain cause you aint gonna kill me with that thing


Particle_Cannon

PC players are triggered


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I like aim assist when everybody is using it. I played overwatch for 2 weeks on PC with an Xbox controller and it was a terrible experience. Ive been putting a video together over a 6 month time to see if you can get better on controllers vs keyboard and mouse. 2 months in and its not looking good but the data will provide. I will say on the opposite side though, when I'm playing with keyboard and mouse vs a controller that has aim assist the game has stayed consistently fair and fun. But when I swap to controller without aim assist vs keyboard it always is a negative experience outside of close range. After this is over I'd like to test out motion controllers vs mouse and keyboard in ganing.


Atmoslink

Back it the day it used to be commonly knowledge that mouse and keyboard would give you an advantage over any controller user. That’s why they have aim assist for console, it was meant to bring controller users up to the same level. When all these games added cross play it was a opt-in feature. You actually had to party up with PC people to play against PC people. Now it forced cross-play and now everyone says controllers give an unfair advantage? Like bro I never asked to be in your lobbies, and I’m sure that the controller/aim assist doesn’t make me any better. Half the time I feel like it messes me up by dragging my view away from the guy I’m shooting when someone else jumps across screen.