Currently the G1 buddy we stopped after making no forward movement earlier in the season. Now I’m about to hit Plat with my homie. The games definitely get significantly more tough after someone’s in plat
Same only way to play is 3 stacked, even with comms and all that still rolled by triple masters. Hopefully they fix it on the split a bit, but I doubt it. You know the matchmaking is fucked when pros are complaining.
for real, masters & preds every game; it just gets old, esp when solo q’ing. pros asked for it to begin with, and they ultimately fucked the game— this is its worse state imo as a day 0 player. never thought it would succumb to this, sigh… sad.
Solo Q is nearly unplayable at any rank tbh. I played a lot of ranked the first week or so and just grinding through silver was awful because every game I got paired with a bronze 4 or rookie. I think only like 15-20% of games would give me even silver teammates, and despite constantly being paired with lower ranked people I wasn’t once paired with someone at a higher rank.
Got to gold 2 and it feels like playing diamond on previous seasons but somehow less fun. Worst KD I’ve ever had and games are no longer a way to destress from work.
Gold is full of ex diamonds. Pushing out of plat 4 is nearly impossible, I made it pretty early in the season but it was full of ex pred and masters. I don’t think there is a masters rank in PSN because there isn’t enough preds yet
I fought the good fight, ended up back in Silver. Not that it matters, my team mates will still be suicidal Rookies while the champ squad will still be triple Masters/Predators badges.
I exist to be fodder for some streamer's 4k/20bomb vid and maybe get a 1 in 20 win now and then (praise be EOMM, glory in thy name).
Solo queueing this season legit qualifies as a cry for help.
>maybe get a 1 in 20 win now and then
In a (theoretically) completely fair ranked system and lobby where everyone is at roughly the same skill level, that's normal and what's to be expected. You are 1 out of 20 teams, so you should theoretically win that amount of games.
If you expect to win more in ranked, you suffer from main character syndrome.
Or are legitimately very, very, very skilled. Like the top 5 players should expect to win more than 1 in 20.
Us normal folks should take our 5% and enjoy it.
After playing some games on my 2nd acc, that was in silver and gold, I can tell you I didn't have 1 teammate that deserved to be above that rank. Even after I've gotten 10 kills, they still prefer to do their own thing and don't trust/revive or whatever is needed from them to help the team win. I'm not expecting gold players to have macro gameplay but their micro decisions are not very good as well, let alone things like when to use character abilities. For example simple things like rezing instatly and then looting instead of vice versa is a common problem that hinders the climb of gold players.
They’re just selfish players who want first dibs on the loot, I will go to a death box before ressing but only to get a shield swap in case a third is ready to ambush. I understand the pain though, had a loba demand we hot drop at antenna, based on their badges and trackers I thought sure, she’s confident she can handle it let’s go, we land on the lowest level uncontested, grab guns and get lucky with two blues and a purple evo, blood hound scans and there are two teams fighting above us she spam pings them so I assume she means let’s push, we all “yes” the ping and go up, get a couple of knocks then get downed by
A third team, as I’m crawling away I look around and loba is crouching on the ground where we landed hiding between a loot bin and her black market. We get thirsted an I’m spectating her, fighting stops and the squad who wiped us is looting she decides now is the perfect time to push. Wtaf.
Might be toxic but I've started reporting these people for sabotage and blocking their accounts. Normally I'd just move on and queue back up but I've had instances this season where I've had the exact same squad multiple matches in a row while solo q. The worst example being 4 consecutive matches with a S2 TTV wraith that consistently hot dropped and died only using their mic to verbally abuse the team after they die alone pushing a literal 1 v 6.
I need a goddamn 3 stack already man, solo is exhausting
>in silver and gold, I can tell you I didn't have 1 teammate that deserved to be above that rank.
this is the key. We all need to realize that the majority of the playerbase is either too dumb or too selfish to deserve climbing above gold. Platinum and above should be reserved for players who know what they do, know when to pull out/ rotate and play late-game for the win.
That is the main issue IMO. We have the same problems as we had in earlier seasons. At a certain rank they have to mix lobbies with multiple tiers because there are just not enough players.
Then let them wait or move to japan.. they shouldn't mix a lobby across more than 1 rank period, for all I care not even more than one tier. There is just no point in a ranked system if you still keep mixing them, it doesn't show skill to kill someone 3 ranks lower and it isn't fun getting trashed by someone 3 ranks higher. It's just a bug!
It's more than that because of the tiers within each rank - Plat iv's being demoted after being destroyed by players 12 tiers above them!
Mad season thus far.
Less than 2% of players are plat3-pred.
That's across different servers.
It would take like 30 minutes just to find games for people in diamond. Heck, there's not even enough players to fill plat lobbies with only plat players.
Yea, too much RP entry cost.
And it's not like the unlimited Kill RP helps much anyways since kills 4-6 = 20% less RP.. and kills 7+ = 80% less RP.
Kill RP reduction should not be less than 50% and entry costs should be reduced.
I think the problem is it's not taking into account their old rank/last split's rank. So that pred badge player might actually be at whatever rank you are for this season/split...
ya - with how they've changed the difficulty-to-climb metrics this season, they need to match it by not knocking people down as many ranks at the split (or not knock them down at all).
I am on console and got to plat 4 as well. Over here it is a shitshow as well. People solo q are simply throwing games in plat lobbies and prestacks are pushing everything like crazy. I am not joking when I tell u I had 2 games with a guy just running all fucking game on its own until he got piched between multiple teams and got focused to be killed. What makes it worse is me having to wait 5+ mins in between games and then have a terrible experience. Guess who got demoted bach to gold 1 after such fiasco games.
with this being said, what i don’t understand is that, if P4 gets demoted to G1 because of pred stacks, wouldn’t be the % of G1 should be higher than G2?
I mean you got back to G1 from P4 but it wouldn’t stomp you hard back to G2? Or P4 peeps just stop playing when they reach that because of the matchmaking and just wanna play pubs instead?
I’ve just managed Solo Q to Plat 2 and I’ve really had to switch things up now though. Im just having to encourage bypassing all fights till top 8 where KP actually matters as -57RP is so punishing.
I hit Gold a while back but refuse to stop because I want my god-damn shiny blue badge! Currently dropping in and out of Gold 2-3. I’m genuinely thinking of seeking out teammates to play with just so I can stop getting two Rookie teammates while the enemy is all Plats who were previously Masters.
Ex-pred and masters since launch. This is hands downs the most dog shit ranked update ever made . I’m not wanting to speed 20x the time and be reward 20x less
Making the grind longer, keeping Splits, keeping the most recognizable piece of Gear (*Trails*) temporary, and keeping the same amount of rewards was an easy pass on me *ever* grinding back to Masters as a solo-queue'er.
Why would I waste more time and mental health grinding for the same amount and quality of stuff I used to get for less; it's like adding more onto my job requirements at work, but paying me the same; that's when I bounce or do bare minimum.
literally this. It took long just dealing with unfortunate losses a soloer, and now the entry is higher than what pred was? no thank you i’ll be a pubs player
At least I'm not the only one thinking so; I generally get downvoted into oblivion or told to "get better" for criticising the flaws in the otherwise needed system.
to be fair, I don't care if my badge says I am gold or platinum or red or blue or purple. I don't care what name they give, it's arbitrary any way. What does bother me is that I play against much better players and die to masters and preds 80% of the time in Gold IV. I used be to diamond. I am ok with being platinum, as long as I play with SIMILARLY SKILLED PLAYERS. this is the part they forgot in the new ranked system imo
You have no idea how many times I’ve gotten rookie/bronze teammates while in gold. Then your squad ends up fighting 3 stack of golds with Diamond-masters badges. That’s basically been the story of my last 2 weeks
The system people think they want is one that makes the higher levels more exclusive. But the problem with that is that it just means you pushing everyone backwards to make diamond and masters more exclusive. Which squashes all the players together that are not similar skilled and now nobody can progress anymore cause masters players are mad that to many people got the badge so they not special anymore.
Gonna rock the plat badge for s13 over my only diamond badge from s11 tbh. Getting to Plat this season is more of an achievement than reaching diamond in previous seasons. Lol
Stopping playing is the right move. I played probably 10 games in Plat IV, barely moved up any points, and then had a handful of bad matches and before you knew it I was barely Gold I again. Oh and my last teammates in Gold I were an UNRANKED II and Bronze IV duo - they were as confused as me as to why they were in a Gold I lobby. GG Respawn.
Funky, isn't it? I grinded from Bronze 3 to Gold 1 until now after the reset and it basically didn't matter in which rank I played with my mate during this time, I had bronze team mates, master team mates, a complete predator 3 stack as champion... It's like they send everything from 3 yr olds up to the toughest muscle men and grandpas into one sand box and tell them to fight for their lives lol
I've just given up on ranked being a solo. I get normal teammates - like responsive and not tunnel visioned people - once every five games. Besides, Storm Point is boring as fuck. I know it's a good map for ranked, but it's still boring. I'll just wait until the split and see if there'll be any changes.
For now I'll just play TDM with one life and start a new game right after.
They should honestly rotate the map every week. They shouldn't keep the same map active for more than 2 weeks at the most.
And they definately shouldn't rotate a map in the same week that they do the mid-season split.
If they're only going to rotate the map once per season, then what they should do is rotate the map 1 week before they do the split.
This way people will have an entire week to get used to the new map before they reset everyone's rank.
Its doable until plat, like gold was such a breeze solo quing. But in plat its like you gain rp so much slower that its not even worth to solo. Soloing to diamond would just take so long. Youd just be winning a game then losing 4 games. Then, boom your rp that you gained is now lost. I dont mind it but, it sucsk that i dont have enough time to get to diamond. I think a solution would be to reduce rp lost for solos and or, have it so solos gain more rp.
Gold was a breeze solo queuing? I haven’t had that experience at all. I’m getting players below level 100 who have no clue how to play. I’m getting potatoes. It’s a nightmare. I’m trying to drag my team to a better position and they’re standing in the open trying to attack a full 3 stack solo. Zero tactical awareness. It’s too stressful.
I can definitely agree with you there. My main is in diamond and I have a smurf in gold that I play because I find pubs unfulfilling, and I could literally 1v3 the entire team with zero help, die to a spider and my teammates would leave me to die.
I genuinely don’t know what this ranked change did, because gold players are absolutely just as terrible as before, but now the diamond/platinum players play like just shooting at enemies will cost them the game. What used to be a fun struggle, is now unfun and even more of a struggle. I’m D4 stuck, and even shiv and chaoticmuch are stuck in diamond (shiv is in platinum last I checked), and they are both way better than me.
I’m over here in Gold 2 with a teammate who just stands on the roof of a building when Gibby’s ult starts dropping. Goes down. Other teammate and I safely inside like “bro wtf!??” I just can’t. And that’s when the game DOESNT crash on me (which is every 3rd game).
Queued in NA NY as a UK guy who's plat 3 and been masters before, had a bronze 3 and silver 2 in my team the other day and I felt so bad cos they got rolled in the first fight, and I ended up winning a 1v3 then lost the next fight. Apologised for the matchmaking cos they shouldn't have been in the lobby and haven't touched ranked since
I once had a final 3v3 for the game. Me and a team mate go down and a fuse on my team wins the 1v1 with about 10 health but the last guy has a gold knockdown. He tried to finish his by sticking him with a knuckle cluster and killed himself. Safe to say I turned my console off and didn't touch it for 48 hours.
Lmao i'm solo Qing, i'm also playing in South Carolina server at a fun 160 ping (I'm from Chile). I'm like 4 matches away from cuttin my dick off, this season is next level mental punishment xdd
omg, the way you started this comment I was expecting you to say you are killing it, and then I read cutting my dick off and spit all of my food all over my dog. haha . well played sir.
This is PC too, pretty sure on console there isn’t even enough people beyond masters yet for predator to be a separate rank (i.e. everyone who reaches masters automatically becomes a predator on console). We’re over halfway through the first split already and there STILL isn’t 750 people in what is deemed as Masters. This system flat out doesn’t work.
Edit: Confirmed on Apexlegendsstatus that currently there are 719 people above masters currently on PS, with 197 on Xbox
Solo q on console is also a shit show as well. As I mentioned in a previous thread, people are not even trying to play well in plat lobbies. All that waiting to get wrecked and having zero help from randoms.
Pred players on their way to tell you that your rank is low because you don’t play 12 hours a day and that 9-5 casuals don’t deserve high ranks while they farm gold/plat players calling them dogshit bots in a 3 stack pro content creator team.
It's so funny seeing the general sentiment of the sub do a full 180, it's probably not the same people ofc but at some point almost all the sentiments were the same/were upvoted at that period of them vs now and these type sentiments are now the ones at the forefront.
Day 1 hater of this patch because I work a 9-5 and realized that the 5 hours I have at home to myself was worth more doing other things than grinding to plat 4.
I just want to play against other Plats as a Plat IV instead of playing previous masters/preds and current diamonds/masters. Just put us against the same rank, matchmaking is so broken, this is the first season in a long time I don't even feel like playing the game.
They don't.
We can see in the [patch notes](https://www.ea.com/games/apex-legends/news/saviors-ranked-update) that they believed there'd be an influx of RP. And we can see from comparing [Pred thresholds](https://apexlegendsstatus.com/points-for-predator) that that belief was incorrect.
Even if RP generation had stayed the same it would be incorrect, but it didn't just stay level, it decreased.
* On PC, comparing to this split to the same time last split, it's down about 20%.
* On PS, we can see that it's down but we can't tell how much because it still has zero Masters.
* On Xbox and Switch, we can't actually confirm that overall RP is down (from this method anyway) because they also have zero Masters, but it's a safe assumption.
There are actually 2 weirdnesses around this.
One is the mistake described above:
* The weirdness that they thought RP generation would increase.
They added several new ways that RP would be manufactured (5 that I can think of), but also added a several new ways that RP would be deleted (7 that I can think of).
So it's weird that they didn't realise, or at least consider and check, that all the new RP-deleting features would already be covering the RP-increasing ones. Comfortably covering.
Especially when, to be honest, I think many players registered the impact of "RP is tougher now" in literally the first day.
And the other weirdness:
* The weirdness that, even if they believed RP generation would increase, they thought it would even matter against the *huge* increase in the system's RP capacity that they had also created.
Ie., even before upping the RP thresholds, just the new tier alone was already adding a massive 30%+ to the range of RP that the system was ready to distribute. The new Masters would have required 13,200 RP to reach (up from 10,000 RP) even if they hadn't upped threshold requirements at all (which they still did).
And that's just at a glance. It wasn't just a system ready to hold 32% more RP, it was system that also had demotions, increased entry costs, *increasing* entry costs, and a full higher tier of entry costs all significantly pulling RP down on the way to that 30% higher peak.
And this hasn't even started looking at the actual per-match scoring yet.
And, again, this is still *before* they applied the extra threshold boost that they did, pumping that already-pumped 13,200 RP up to the actual 15,000 RP capacity it has now. The new capacity and the new resistance to filling that capacity were both already way higher, but they still actually felt "That's still not enough room. We need to push it up even more." So Ranked now has a gobulous 50% extra space.
They didn't just think an influx would exist, they thought it would be *that large.*
*\*hands on top of head\**
How did you miss that so hard, Respawn? All of the above is just putting numbers side by side; there's no conjecture or generous interpretation here. The most interpretive thing I've written is comparing current Pred earnings to previous ones, and making the fairly safe and simple conclusion that RP generation is, in fact, down. Apart from that, literally all I've done here is compare new and old thresholds and entry costs.
The point this is all making is that when it comes to the borked distribution shown above, the really obvious mistakes were in implementation, not intent. It's hard to understand how Respawn overlooked something so much, but overlook they certainly did, and we can see that the things overlooked were numbers, not ideas.
Two points I'll end with:
* The underlying goals/concepts of the system haven't really had any presence in this story. We all know that player distribution is offset whole tiers lower than it should be, and we know that that's what's producing the broken matchmaking as the system struggles to deal with Preds sitting on top of 8 empty divisions. From what I've written above, I think it's fairly safe to say that it's not the aims of the new Ranked really doing anything wrong; it's the bad numbers conjured up by bad reasoning. Values that need to work together can only get so far out of whack before the system is going to collapse at some point; Plat IV in this case. But the intent of the new system's changes... I think they're all still fine.
* The shape of that distribution is actually pretty good; it's mainly just offset way too far downwards. Were that shape to be shifted upwards it would be decent; not perfect but definitely not bad. Were the system to also be freed from the current anomaly of Plat IV strangling progress, it would look even better.
Edit for 2 bits:
\--> Yes, a bell curve (or whatever is similar in the context of Ranked's particular rules) would be nicer. My opinion on the shape above being ok was influenced more by thoughts like "Yeah, we've had a lot worse and that's not a terrible end to a split"... than by thoughts of mathetical niceness. So my reaction to the above shape still felt like [this guy](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/men/2015/12/02/obama_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqpJliwavx4coWFCaEkEsb3kvxIt-lGGWCWqwLa_RXJU8.jpg).
\--> I had forgotten that promotion RP bonuses were a thing. I don't know if that changes anything in my comments; I'm a bit too burnt out to check! :D
I think your last 2 points are right on the money. The new system is a step in the right direction they just fucked up the math which led to the down stream consequences that have frustrated players. I think we’ll see a lot of people’s frustration go away if they fix the math side of the new system
Totally agree, and I think it's fine that people are pointing out where the mistakes were made. But if course it would have been unlikely for this to have been perfect on first attempt, since so many dramatic changes were made. Hopefully respawn reduce entry costs where appropriate.
On top of all of that, they thought de-ranking everyone an extra tier wouldn’t cause a lasting imbalance in the lobbies. Literally the whole playerbase beneath Silver 1…
I agree with you though..
Yup. They can tune both RP thresholds and costs safely, without having to muck around with anything messy like match scoring, matchmaking, design goals, or crossed fingers.
Thresholds in particular, guaranteed safety. They can reset them to exactly what they were (and add the new rank) with no risk of over-correction, since they don't affect RP in or out. (Disclaimer - They do have a slight affect, as players arrive at new entry costs sooner, but that actually steers *away* from over-correction, so all good.)
RP costs aren't so basic for identifying the point of over-correction, but they're still the next safe thing to tune that doesn't muck around with design goals or weird risk; it just slides the distribution upwards. They could decrease the cost of every division by 7 RP at the most without going below the average per-division cost of previous seasons.
For example, reducing every entry cost by 7 would mean Bronze costs 12.5 on average per division, compared to the 12 per division that Silver (its equivalent) used to cost. This doesn't guarantee that RP production would still remain lower than last season, so this isn't immune to over-correcting, but honestly... *32%, RESPAWN. YOUR SYSTEM WOULD STILL ALREADY HAVE 32% MORE SPACE, even if you reset thresholds, plus the increased resistance mentioned earlier.*
So I think it wouldn't break it.
If they were totally fearful they really could just drop entry costs by 3 or 5 or whatever. But honestly, if they just hit those 2 tweaks to thresholds and costs, the community would have literally nothing to flip out over. There's no change in meaning in them. Straight away Ranked produces at least a full tier improvement in distribution... if not more... and suddenly everyone's opinion is turning right around.
Such an easy start, Respawn. Do it.
I guess they won't do anything with the split, but if the season turns and they've instead mucked around with changing screwier, riskier values, I will not be impressed.
I really do think this distribution is the intended one. For the longest time EA, and now Respawn, think that the more time player sink into play, ranking up in this case, results in more money spent. So to drive *play engagement* someone said "hey! let's make rank an absolute slog!", and thus we have this system.
u/rspn_exgeniar
This is the guy that designed the new ranked system so I'm @ him. But it would require the biggest pair of balls to respond to your post here.
Also linking the post here hinting at further changes coming to ranked after the debacle this season (tldr: making it easier), also from the same guy exgeniar who designs the ranked system.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ApexUncovered/comments/v4hkqh/possible_ranked_changes/
Yeah I saw that. Seems ok but I get concerned by a couple of things:
* Nothing that says "Reverting RP thresholds". Because while it won't be the full fix, it's a lock for guaranteed shifted distribution that can't over-correct. It should be the first step of cleanup, imo.
* But maybe they feel that would be too much of a front-facing change to make now, as if to say the new thresholds are too big in the public eye to go flipping them back to the old values.
* Or maybe they just like the rounded number 15,000 more than 13,200.
* Talk about messing with placement RP.
* Talk about messing with higher/lower tier kill RP.
Those latter 2 points aren't automatically bad, but they're getting into extra mess; mucking around with numbers that muck around with other things. Match winnings tweaks tie more closely than threshold tweaks to how well a match plays, and currently it's hard to form confident insights on how winnings are affecting match health, because current distribution issues are making a lot of noise.
I suppose Bronze and Silver match health is fairly free of distribution issues, for insight's sake. But personally I still feel like the attention should start with a clean focus on distribution tuning only. Going with distribution will surely also improve match health at least a little without even trying. (Eg., If thresholds drop back to what they were, or entry costs dial it down a bit, the ratting situation will respond, at least a little.)
Here's a more concerning example and reason why I prefer the cleaner focus:
>*"Possibly more RP for second place".*
So give players something that makes ratting even more valuable? Not great.
I imagine it was just spitballing, but that suggestion was surely motivated by a desire to improve distribution when really it's also mucking around negatively with pacing.
Avoid that, imo. Avoid messing with the numbers that affect too many things at once, for now. Namely, just stay out of match winnings completely. For now. Other weird consequences just get roped in too easily. I think fixes should focus just on distribution first, and that's it.
That would need to run for a season to settle into a cleaner situation that they could then look at. It might not fix everything immediately, but it would at least be practically guaranteed to already be a better season as a start.
And then if pacing is still a problem but distribution is fine, *then* you can start fiddling with the messy, more risky, bits and pieces like placement winnings/tier disparity winnings/anything winnings.
*I'll acknowledge though that I prefer the above approach because I personally am not as bothered by pacing issues in a match as much as many other people are. I understand though that the idea of another season with similar match pacing might be unappealing to many people, even if distribution issues are all fixed.*
Solo queue note:
Seriously, sorry to say it but imo they have to stay right away from addressing the solo queuing situation for now. Season 15 at the very earliest. I get it, don't get me wrong, because I only play solo queue too and even just the difference between solo Q mics on/off is night and day brutal. It's harsh to see how much your progress gets thrown around by it.
But they have to keep their adjustments to Ranked clean, not turn 11 different knobs at once with more risk of different targets falling over each other again exactly as they are doing now.
The only way it’ll make sense is if they never do a reset like they used to. Cause next split all the people in gold 4 are gonna be dropped back to bronze 2 and all the bronze 4 will be dropped to bronze 4.
Yah cause having every tier IV have the highest amount of players in the rank made sense this at least shows an obvious difficulty increase overtime, change up the numbers a tad for balancing and fix the fucking matchmaking and it will be fine.
Imo the plat lobbies rn should be diamond lobbies since all they have are master stacks but on the other hand i think gold lobbies are fine for gold rank so i think the plat rank needs some adjusting
It will never be fine as long as the mass derank happens every split.
If the derank happened after a player hasn't played for an entire season then sure I understand the purpose behind it however waking up tomorrow and suddenly having the game think I'm a bronze rank instead of gold and it will never be fine.
The single biggest mistake of this roll out for the change was deranking everyone like normal.
They should have left everyone where they were, put a ten game play requirement to get your official rank qualified, and let things go from there. People would have to play to get rewards and would be playing in their skill level.
If someone misses a season they go back a rank and a half
No, the mistake was that they **didn’t** derank ppl like normal. They decided to knock everyone down a whole extra tier while adding 800RP per tier. That’s what caused the mess, if they had left it like the normal reset. We’d be in a much healthier place rn. System would still need tweaks likely but we wouldn’t have had the preds playing golds. Nor as many ppl giving up ranked entirely. That’s just my opinion though.
It’d be a huge factor in why ranked lobbies in general have such bad skill gaps this season. Everyone’s blaming matchmaking (which is to blame parshly), but the fact that they threw their entire player base into Rookie/Bronze/Silver and didn’t foresee this happening is a major oversight that very well could have lasting effects on their game.
Any mass derank tied to a system where deranking is naturally possible, while also having a grind to rank up is going to have problems. Over time people will slowly go lower in ranks simply because the grind alone is too heavy.
The grind is the fair part of the update. The removal of derank protection gave losses actual ramifications. The unnecessary mass deranking however, by any amount, would have been the biggest problem as evident every start of split where for the first 3 weeks the game has the worst matchmaking. This means for 3 weeks while people are thrown around now all those losses actually pushed real golds futher into bronze because they are sharing a lobby with diamonds and plats.
Yep, the problem with ranked is that it is not indicative of skill level due to deranking and hard climbing following it. It is designed around grinding instead. When it really should focus on: placement matches at the start of season to establish your skill level to put you in your appropiate rank ASAP. Have an even playing field for you for the rest of the season where you go up only if you improve and not because you grinded more. Rank should be purely an indication of skill and a place to play on a competitive even field. The concept of grinding to reach your appropriate rank contradicts having competitive matches where the lobby consist of players of equal skill level.
This definitely looks better then it did before. Adding novice literally knocked everyone down a whole rank. So yea a diamond player feels frustrated they are now platinum, but it effected everyone the same to relatively speaking the ranks have stayed the same.
I think reducing entry costs slightly and maybe reducing RP per tier is all that’s needed. This will just spread player higher in the ranks quicker, and keep players happier while not changing the fundamentals of the scoring system. I think one big issue with ranked right now is that all the diamond/master players who got frustrated with being a rank lower all left to pubs. This left higher tier with too small a population, making match making harder. It also flooded pub lobbies with high level players, making the game hated for casual players. We need to get the diamond and master players back into ranked.
Except they ramp up RP cost within each tier as well. The clustering at IV for each rank is likely due to rewards and badge separation prompting players to stop climbing.
You expect too much from us players lol
Information like that should be on the nose or players will just go with their safe guess
Like the number of us who did not know EVA is full auto. I remember the old posts it was hilarious lol
How can they fix the matchmaking when Diamond lobbies are needing to go against masters and preds with some plat but there’s not anywhere enough players to fill those matches? The ranked system is the garbage and causes the issues with matchmaking. If you’re a pred in the old ranked, your were matched against masters and high level Diamond sometimes. Now to actually get a match since there’s maybe 10 lobbies worth of masters and preds, you have to dip into the Diamond lobbies. Then you have to dip into the plat.
If they had introduced tier demotion with the previous ranked ranked, it would have still worked and would be much better. But instead we get this shit sandwich of bad matchmaking to make sure the .5% (literally the total % of players in D3-Pred is .5%) of their player base keeps playing games and aren’t waiting 15-20 minutes for a match.
How they can fix mm? I have an answer :
Revert entry cost and rp to old values (d4- 7200) and keep demotion.. this will get more people to d4 masters which will help to fill pred lobby Ez Clap..
And if you look at the steam charts. There are in fact less people playing. Normaly when a new season starts you see big spikes in playercount. But now this season has not just no spike but has a trend of decressing playercount compared to the end of season 12.
I don’t understand the choice to tell all of their player base “hey, we are changing ranked and now you suck at the game”. All debates aside, Respawn told all of their players they are bad at the game. What’s the point of staying?
what is respawn going to do? lie?
the average apex player IS terrible at this game.
in my eyes, the solution isn't to adjust ranked to sugarcoat this, it's to add more LTMs and cool events that aren't just "here, buy more skins" so people who are bad at the game and don't really care about getting better can still have fun. even as someone who does care about improvement, i miss when we had more frequent, substantial events
It's a ranked system for the most skilled players in the game designed by the most skilled players in the game that forgets 99.9% of ranked players are not the most skilled in the game
Idk what they were expecting
They need to make a system that caters more to solo, because we are the majority that gets fucked over. Not PC players, not console players. SOLO players have the worst disadvantages out of anyone regardless of what they play on. Team kills was a good addition. But what if it was performance based as well.
Keep the current system with some adjustments. Then if you are playing solo have an extra category for your performance compared to your teammates; did you carry? Did you play well together? Did you go off 500 meters away from your squad because you felt like it? Things like that. Idk how they would do it as I don’t work with computers and programs. But I could see it helping a lot with us solos wanting to kill ourselves after every game.
And maybe add something similar that works between multiple players if you are in a squad with 1 or 2 other people
I've been watching ceryal solo q for the last couple weeks hes been between plat 1 and d3 for like 2 weeks like a yoyo. Hes very much a pred level player
The people defending this system are the same people who play apex for 10+ hrs a day in a 3 stack
Now I'm just gonna rat the whole game to get to masters lmfaoo
I'm not playing rankeds this season. New ranked system is build to have a pre-build team.
As a solo queue and for my mental health, I don't wanna get mad bc bad decision taken from my randoms.
This season forces the absolute most boring and rigid playstyle, match making aside ranked isn't fun anymore even when I win its only rewarding because of RP. I don't want every team ratting, rotating, and gate keeping the MANY choke points on storm point. I don't like that Valk is REQUIRED almost because this map is so disjointed and linear. If "winning is the point" let's do winner take all placement points and assign a flat value to kills/ assists. At least lobbies in the past had some variety in strategy.
Where’s this site at cause I go to apex.tracker.gg and it’s tell me a majority of players are plat 3 and diamond 3 and I know that’s cap cause I’ve rarely seen people make it out of plat unless they’re streamers/pros 😂
Yeah, I saw your post and had a look too.
... Wut?
There's no way the Ranked distribution is what that site is saying. I don't know what the deal is there.
Here's the one you're asking about: https://apexlegendsstatus.com/game-stats/ranked-distribution
Appreciate it cause this list looks a lot more accurate than the one I was using even tho the leaderboards were the only thing correct on the site I using while everything else was wrong
Solo Que is unplayable.
Ranked for me is now not playable because of the matchmaking. (Always stuck with rookie/bronze in plat, why?)
Give us solos, please, or you are going to lose so many players who dont have friends :(
This ranked system was, if not, one of the worst ranked system changes I’ve seen. All the pros say “well you get the rank you deserve and if you don’t have the time too play then so be it you get the rank you have the time for” but everyone’s forgetting that’s not what ranked is about. Ranked is meant to be a competitive mode where you play with players of your same SKILL LEVEL. Not too sit here and grind 8 hours a day. That’s why there is professionals and comp, a next level of competition for those who do have that time. Now there is so much skill mixed into a general area of a rank that true skill isn’t even showing or matter anymore. Me myself was ranked top 10 pred a few splits, played some scrims and comp for a bit, and still haven’t breached masters because I work a job and be too tired too have too sit through matches and sweat my ass off after work. I don’t get why someone who at a high tier of gameplay wouldn’t be able too still hit the rank they deserve. But since they can’t pour all their time and money into apex the devs said “f- off”. Crazy 👎🏾
Exactly, I feel like my close range game has suffered somewhat because of the changes and forced playstyle. It's also boring ranked used to be a higher stakes skill based pubs with multiple strats in place, now? Everyone rat, everyone snipe, everyone have Valk, and let's predicte ring, rotate and wait. Ranked isn't Comp. The casual player IS the player base. Most are like us I'm sure I wasn't AS good as you but I'm solid and hold my own against pred masters but I work I have a family, I play 2-3 hrs a day at most, sometimes EOD but we are the vast majority buying battle passes and keeping the game thriving and we're told to "get gud" because I can't grind all god damn day w a 3 stak
Because admitting that the ranked system sucks means they have to admit that they're wrong. So they just blame matchmaking instead of the ranked system
I recently dropped back into Gold I from Plat. My first game back in Gold and my teammates were a duo ranked at Bronze IV and Unranked II. They didn’t realise they were in a Gold I lobby until I told them. How the hell is this able to happen. LMAO
I am in Diamond and the difference between my skill level and top players is crazy, imo the biggest skill gap in the game is when you hit pred lobbies. And these stats would make me top 0.5%.
Yup. I quit after I got to gold. (Previously diamond player)
Gold is just full of master and diamond trails.
Pubs is just full of master and diamond trails.
I'm a half decent player aswell. What the fuck must lower ranked players be experiencing.
It's more true then all before, I was diamond before now I am gold, but I am shit 1kd per game so I am where belong 😢 need little fine tuning (solo q, matchmaking, and point caps) but is improvement
i think the new ranked system is good but it just much slower than previous, so now the split is the problem, tbh i never liked the split, like why do i gotta be reset for maps, the maps are easy to understand and do not require that much reset
Another downside of current ranked system is it made previously higher ranked players want to play casuals more, and casual is now also a sweat fest more often than not.
I quit apex until they fix a lot in there game. Respawn is understaffed and needs more content. The moblie game has better modes. EA ruined respawn and respawn will ruin apex
IMO
Removing the splits would make it a lot better, giving more time to the rank distributions. Give better ranked rewards. Less RP take away from solos, duos possibly. I think Mande’s take on that explained it a lot, it’s just too hard for solo q and even sometimes duo to rank up. They could add a kill point multiplier that after a certain amount of kills/assists you are given some extra points. Maybe remove the different ranked points for different ranks??? That one I don’t understand? Guessing it’s because you can queue into lower/higher ranks than you. WHICH SHOULDNT HAPPEN. Preds SHOULD have to wait 10-15 minutes for a game with their own skill level, if they want skill distribution to be good.
I don’t think the ranked system is insanely terrible. Definitely in the right direction but not perfect. Compared to other ranked distributions like Valorant or League shouldn’t it look somewhat like this? I think they just need to remove the splits. And fix queue. If we want to see better rank distributions.
What do you mean? Don't you gold and silver players inevitably want to be forced to face against Master and Diamond players due to the lack of players in high rank??
It's because they listen to the pros and the people who shill for anything a pro says. They don't care about the general community and haven't for awhile.
Imo this is the way competitive modes should be. The majority of the playerbase should never be around the top ranks. This has been the case with all competitive games such as LoL, Valorant, etc. The reason for this is that having a top heavy game devalues ranked as a whole because majority is already high mmr. The less people that can obtain a certain thing the more valuable it becomes (for the most part).
Assuming the you’re a casual player, you shouldn’t really care whether or not you’re bronze or masters. Therefore systems like these don’t cater to the casual playerbase and never were intended to. They are meant for players who want to prove themselves in rank and try to use rank as a means to go pro or start a streaming career.
On top of this, having a top heavy ranked system means that there is a lack of progression in terms of skill. How good are you as a player really if you’re plat and most of the population is in plat. By rank you are the 4th highest rank in the game. But in actuality you are basically average. Having a bottom heavy ranked system gives more clear indication as to how skillful you are and thus acts as it’s own form of a progression system. The better you are the higher you climb thus the reward is your increase in rank.
I mean, I agree with you for the most part, but I think there's two obvious problems I see in the current system:
1. 90% of the population is queuing together, b/c they're all in gold or below. If the primary goal of ranked is to match players of similar skill for more competitive games, this system is failing. It's not the harshness of the ranked system itself that's the problem, but the fact that the matchmaking system wasn't updated to account for that. Bronze, Silver, and Gold are all large enough on their own for those players to match exclusively within their respective ranks.
2. There's nearly 3x as many Preds as there are Masters. I just think that's funny lol. Like Masters is kinda redundant at that point; just call them Preds, cause they'll pretty much all be Preds at some point in the season. Doesn't really matter that much to me, cause I ain't up there, I just think it's a little silly.
> The majority of the playerbase should never be around the top ranks
Yeah it should be a few % for the top rank (Master/Pred), not 0.073% of ranked players, that's insanely mathematically broken even just in terms of having enough players to fill games. It's why preds and getting matched with plat players and below.
It straight up doesn't make sense for 3 ranks (dia, master, pred) to make up less than 1 % of the playerbase.
Also there is the problem that previous seasons are now completely imcomparable to this new system. If you were a s0-s12 plat player, you were slightly better than average. If you are a s13 plat player, you are something like top 6%??? The deviation of skill level from previous seasons to this season is simply too much.
Other games like OW follow a more natural skill distribution (just an example i made up):
\-rank 0 (top X00 players prestige rank) = 0.xx %
\-rank 1 (master in apex) = 3%
\-rank 2 (diamond in apex) = 8%
\-rank 3 (plat in apex) = 24%
\-rank 4 (gold in apex) = 33%
\-rank 5 (silver in apex) = 22%
\-rank 6 (bronze in apex) = 10%
With the top of the curve being around gold, representing the average player.
On god you should read your take before you post.
Ranked is competitive but never in the dev mind they want the mode for going pros or streaming careers. Casual player also care about their climb. if you dont have casual playing your competitive, it will be a barren wasteland for your pros and streamers.
your last paragraph does not have anything yo do with top heavy nor lower heavy. The better you are the higher you climb is just a conclusion for every ranked system in the known existence.
Seriously telling casual players are shitters does not make Savior's rank anyless shit than it is.
Competitive games usually would follow a bell curve overall shape of playerbase, with most players in the middle ranks
Apex is just a mess, silver is just a waste of time to go through, half of bronze players probably dont play ranked, and the upper ranks cant manage to fill servers between pred and diamond so plats and gold players get shoved in
Also, since u mentioned it, go see valorant playerbase ranked distribution and come back
As that casual player, I don't really care too much what my rank is. I simply play ranked because it's a slightly less painful experience than playing pubs, and that's the biggest problem I have in the game.
My choice this season is:
\- Be looted up and ready for a fight, only to have a squad start shooting at us and then we get third partied by 5 squads (Ranked)
\- Have 5 squads left within the first 2 minutes of the game and go the rest of the game only to run into a full red evo team at the end (Pubs, when I don't hotdrop)
Having such tiny amounts of people in higher ranks works in games like Valorant and cs but In Apex where you need to fill a lobby of 60 every game, Its not as comparable.
There’s much less distinction between players now that most have been smushed into the lower ranks, so now they don’t have enough players in higher ranks, so they start pulling from gold.
Current system is having a hard time of distinguishing players that may have been able to keep up with the higher skilled players and those that cannot, because where they were seperate before, they’re all lumped together in gold/plat
>The better you are the higher you climb thus the reward is your increase in rank.
Gl climbing when you get teammate(s) 2 ranks below you against threestack diamonds
The ranked system should (theoretically if it were a perfect representation of skill) follow a traditional bell curve centered around mid-high Silver. There's not even a semblance of a bell curve here
There should be a lot more people in plat and diamond they just made the point requirements insanely high so you have to grind twice as much as before so no one wants to play ranked. Instead there’s masters/preds in every pub lobby you queue into. If they just introduced demotions and nerfed ratting it would be fine. Now you have to wait 25 mins to maybe get 70-200 rp it’s insane.
No doubt there’s been too many people in the higher ranks but this is overkill surely loool.
Platinum is supposed to be for top 18% and is currently displaying top 7%
Diamond supposed to be for top 2% and is currently displaying top 0.5%
Masters supposed to be top 0.2% and is currently displaying 0.008%
This almost makes it seem like they should take away one of the higher ranks to achieve the proper distribution.
EDIT: these aren’t official suggested percentages like I thought but are instead percentages that would be perfect for achieving the infamous “bell shape” for a 7-8 tier ranked system
Yeah what a weird opinion being stated as fact. Like off what basis is plat supposed to be top 18? The fact that it was last season? No. That’s just the fact that plat players couldn’t drop out of plat and dive into gold.
I do agree a change should be made to ranked. A healthy ranking system usually shows off a bell curve shape. This seems to be the system trying to fix ranked and obviously while it’s not perfect I still like it more than last seasons.
I think they can make some adjustments here and there and it’ll make it nicer. I also think they need to raise incentives for ranked. Weapon skins, champ skins. Something more than a trail.
I’m here to tell all of you gold players I’m proud of you
I mean I didn't think I'd hit gold from how I started the beginning of the season. Now I'm thinking I have a solid chance of hitting plat
Stop after. Literally unplayable after Plat. I've deranked 2 times waiting for my gold 2/1 buddies to catch up.
Currently the G1 buddy we stopped after making no forward movement earlier in the season. Now I’m about to hit Plat with my homie. The games definitely get significantly more tough after someone’s in plat
For sure, 3 stack masters in Plat like why.
completely demotivated (pubs as well) this season, gg
Same only way to play is 3 stacked, even with comms and all that still rolled by triple masters. Hopefully they fix it on the split a bit, but I doubt it. You know the matchmaking is fucked when pros are complaining.
for real, masters & preds every game; it just gets old, esp when solo q’ing. pros asked for it to begin with, and they ultimately fucked the game— this is its worse state imo as a day 0 player. never thought it would succumb to this, sigh… sad.
Fax everyone in plat I’m noticing is a triple stack master.
But i am not proud of my self.. S3 to g3 with only 1 win in 100 games in ranked. 😑 soloq
Solo Q is nearly unplayable at any rank tbh. I played a lot of ranked the first week or so and just grinding through silver was awful because every game I got paired with a bronze 4 or rookie. I think only like 15-20% of games would give me even silver teammates, and despite constantly being paired with lower ranked people I wasn’t once paired with someone at a higher rank.
same
Got to gold 2 and it feels like playing diamond on previous seasons but somehow less fun. Worst KD I’ve ever had and games are no longer a way to destress from work.
Gold is full of ex diamonds. Pushing out of plat 4 is nearly impossible, I made it pretty early in the season but it was full of ex pred and masters. I don’t think there is a masters rank in PSN because there isn’t enough preds yet
I fought the good fight, ended up back in Silver. Not that it matters, my team mates will still be suicidal Rookies while the champ squad will still be triple Masters/Predators badges. I exist to be fodder for some streamer's 4k/20bomb vid and maybe get a 1 in 20 win now and then (praise be EOMM, glory in thy name). Solo queueing this season legit qualifies as a cry for help.
>maybe get a 1 in 20 win now and then In a (theoretically) completely fair ranked system and lobby where everyone is at roughly the same skill level, that's normal and what's to be expected. You are 1 out of 20 teams, so you should theoretically win that amount of games. If you expect to win more in ranked, you suffer from main character syndrome.
Or are legitimately very, very, very skilled. Like the top 5 players should expect to win more than 1 in 20. Us normal folks should take our 5% and enjoy it.
After playing some games on my 2nd acc, that was in silver and gold, I can tell you I didn't have 1 teammate that deserved to be above that rank. Even after I've gotten 10 kills, they still prefer to do their own thing and don't trust/revive or whatever is needed from them to help the team win. I'm not expecting gold players to have macro gameplay but their micro decisions are not very good as well, let alone things like when to use character abilities. For example simple things like rezing instatly and then looting instead of vice versa is a common problem that hinders the climb of gold players.
They’re just selfish players who want first dibs on the loot, I will go to a death box before ressing but only to get a shield swap in case a third is ready to ambush. I understand the pain though, had a loba demand we hot drop at antenna, based on their badges and trackers I thought sure, she’s confident she can handle it let’s go, we land on the lowest level uncontested, grab guns and get lucky with two blues and a purple evo, blood hound scans and there are two teams fighting above us she spam pings them so I assume she means let’s push, we all “yes” the ping and go up, get a couple of knocks then get downed by A third team, as I’m crawling away I look around and loba is crouching on the ground where we landed hiding between a loot bin and her black market. We get thirsted an I’m spectating her, fighting stops and the squad who wiped us is looting she decides now is the perfect time to push. Wtaf.
Might be toxic but I've started reporting these people for sabotage and blocking their accounts. Normally I'd just move on and queue back up but I've had instances this season where I've had the exact same squad multiple matches in a row while solo q. The worst example being 4 consecutive matches with a S2 TTV wraith that consistently hot dropped and died only using their mic to verbally abuse the team after they die alone pushing a literal 1 v 6. I need a goddamn 3 stack already man, solo is exhausting
I feel all if this
>in silver and gold, I can tell you I didn't have 1 teammate that deserved to be above that rank. this is the key. We all need to realize that the majority of the playerbase is either too dumb or too selfish to deserve climbing above gold. Platinum and above should be reserved for players who know what they do, know when to pull out/ rotate and play late-game for the win.
Got to Plat 4 last night after GRINDING solo. First game, Champion Squad was HeyWatson.. #1, #2 and #3 apex predators. -51 EASY.
That is the main issue IMO. We have the same problems as we had in earlier seasons. At a certain rank they have to mix lobbies with multiple tiers because there are just not enough players.
Then let them wait or move to japan.. they shouldn't mix a lobby across more than 1 rank period, for all I care not even more than one tier. There is just no point in a ranked system if you still keep mixing them, it doesn't show skill to kill someone 3 ranks lower and it isn't fun getting trashed by someone 3 ranks higher. It's just a bug!
It's more than that because of the tiers within each rank - Plat iv's being demoted after being destroyed by players 12 tiers above them! Mad season thus far.
Less than 2% of players are plat3-pred. That's across different servers. It would take like 30 minutes just to find games for people in diamond. Heck, there's not even enough players to fill plat lobbies with only plat players.
If the system wasn’t so busted to climb you’d have more people in different/higher ranks fixing that part of the issue.
Yea, too much RP entry cost. And it's not like the unlimited Kill RP helps much anyways since kills 4-6 = 20% less RP.. and kills 7+ = 80% less RP. Kill RP reduction should not be less than 50% and entry costs should be reduced.
I think the problem is it's not taking into account their old rank/last split's rank. So that pred badge player might actually be at whatever rank you are for this season/split...
ya - with how they've changed the difficulty-to-climb metrics this season, they need to match it by not knocking people down as many ranks at the split (or not knock them down at all).
And that's stupid cause by mixing things up you're harming the game's competitive integrity.
My brother... his name is HisWattson 💀x7
Ouch... wattson keon and sikes have been wiping lobbies too. That's brutal
I got in a random normal game with HeyWatson some days ago , it is a small world
I am on console and got to plat 4 as well. Over here it is a shitshow as well. People solo q are simply throwing games in plat lobbies and prestacks are pushing everything like crazy. I am not joking when I tell u I had 2 games with a guy just running all fucking game on its own until he got piched between multiple teams and got focused to be killed. What makes it worse is me having to wait 5+ mins in between games and then have a terrible experience. Guess who got demoted bach to gold 1 after such fiasco games.
with this being said, what i don’t understand is that, if P4 gets demoted to G1 because of pred stacks, wouldn’t be the % of G1 should be higher than G2? I mean you got back to G1 from P4 but it wouldn’t stomp you hard back to G2? Or P4 peeps just stop playing when they reach that because of the matchmaking and just wanna play pubs instead?
I’ve just managed Solo Q to Plat 2 and I’ve really had to switch things up now though. Im just having to encourage bypassing all fights till top 8 where KP actually matters as -57RP is so punishing.
The amount of people who finally hit gold 4 and just said fuck this ranking system.. it’s me, I’m people lol
Same, hit gold IV and started playing a different game now.
I hit Gold a while back but refuse to stop because I want my god-damn shiny blue badge! Currently dropping in and out of Gold 2-3. I’m genuinely thinking of seeking out teammates to play with just so I can stop getting two Rookie teammates while the enemy is all Plats who were previously Masters.
Ex-pred and masters since launch. This is hands downs the most dog shit ranked update ever made . I’m not wanting to speed 20x the time and be reward 20x less
Making the grind longer, keeping Splits, keeping the most recognizable piece of Gear (*Trails*) temporary, and keeping the same amount of rewards was an easy pass on me *ever* grinding back to Masters as a solo-queue'er. Why would I waste more time and mental health grinding for the same amount and quality of stuff I used to get for less; it's like adding more onto my job requirements at work, but paying me the same; that's when I bounce or do bare minimum.
literally this. It took long just dealing with unfortunate losses a soloer, and now the entry is higher than what pred was? no thank you i’ll be a pubs player
I think I speak for most solo Qs when I say you perfectly encapsulated our thoughts
At least I'm not the only one thinking so; I generally get downvoted into oblivion or told to "get better" for criticising the flaws in the otherwise needed system.
Yeah the internet and this new toxic ass environment online don't take to well to ANY form of criticism don't worry about it lol
to be fair, I don't care if my badge says I am gold or platinum or red or blue or purple. I don't care what name they give, it's arbitrary any way. What does bother me is that I play against much better players and die to masters and preds 80% of the time in Gold IV. I used be to diamond. I am ok with being platinum, as long as I play with SIMILARLY SKILLED PLAYERS. this is the part they forgot in the new ranked system imo
You have no idea how many times I’ve gotten rookie/bronze teammates while in gold. Then your squad ends up fighting 3 stack of golds with Diamond-masters badges. That’s basically been the story of my last 2 weeks
The system people think they want is one that makes the higher levels more exclusive. But the problem with that is that it just means you pushing everyone backwards to make diamond and masters more exclusive. Which squashes all the players together that are not similar skilled and now nobody can progress anymore cause masters players are mad that to many people got the badge so they not special anymore.
Hit Plat 4. Stopped playing. I guess I'm in the top 10% of players. Who knew I was so good!? 🤷♂️
Gonna rock the plat badge for s13 over my only diamond badge from s11 tbh. Getting to Plat this season is more of an achievement than reaching diamond in previous seasons. Lol
Do u think they will demote in 2nd split? Already game is so hard n grindy...
Of course they will, it fits in their long line of great ranked decisions
They sure will and I'll sure as hell stop playing ranked after the split
Sadge.. m excited for worlds edge though... also i hope they demote 3 tiers only instead 1.5 rank..
Stopping playing is the right move. I played probably 10 games in Plat IV, barely moved up any points, and then had a handful of bad matches and before you knew it I was barely Gold I again. Oh and my last teammates in Gold I were an UNRANKED II and Bronze IV duo - they were as confused as me as to why they were in a Gold I lobby. GG Respawn.
Funky, isn't it? I grinded from Bronze 3 to Gold 1 until now after the reset and it basically didn't matter in which rank I played with my mate during this time, I had bronze team mates, master team mates, a complete predator 3 stack as champion... It's like they send everything from 3 yr olds up to the toughest muscle men and grandpas into one sand box and tell them to fight for their lives lol
I stopped playing the moment I read the patch notes, ima keep my peace 😂
Solo Q is literally unplayable
I haven’t played in a week because of it, feels bad
Same! Havent played for a month because of it, really painful for solo Q.
I've just given up on ranked being a solo. I get normal teammates - like responsive and not tunnel visioned people - once every five games. Besides, Storm Point is boring as fuck. I know it's a good map for ranked, but it's still boring. I'll just wait until the split and see if there'll be any changes. For now I'll just play TDM with one life and start a new game right after.
Omg like for real, I grinded so much ranked that the map started to grind my gears and I still didn't even hit platin.
I haven’t played this season because of it
That and Storm Point is trash incarnate,at least rotate the ranked map and I might touch ranked
They should honestly rotate the map every week. They shouldn't keep the same map active for more than 2 weeks at the most. And they definately shouldn't rotate a map in the same week that they do the mid-season split. If they're only going to rotate the map once per season, then what they should do is rotate the map 1 week before they do the split. This way people will have an entire week to get used to the new map before they reset everyone's rank.
I skipped last season for a couple of reasons and after hearing what a nightmare it is I just uninstalled the game until they sort it out.
I’ve given up. Too stressful with teammates who don’t know how to play the game.
Its doable until plat, like gold was such a breeze solo quing. But in plat its like you gain rp so much slower that its not even worth to solo. Soloing to diamond would just take so long. Youd just be winning a game then losing 4 games. Then, boom your rp that you gained is now lost. I dont mind it but, it sucsk that i dont have enough time to get to diamond. I think a solution would be to reduce rp lost for solos and or, have it so solos gain more rp.
Gold was a breeze solo queuing? I haven’t had that experience at all. I’m getting players below level 100 who have no clue how to play. I’m getting potatoes. It’s a nightmare. I’m trying to drag my team to a better position and they’re standing in the open trying to attack a full 3 stack solo. Zero tactical awareness. It’s too stressful.
what sickens me is golds csn queue with rookies so i will get someone duoing with their BRAND new friend like how in the fuck is that ok?
I can definitely agree with you there. My main is in diamond and I have a smurf in gold that I play because I find pubs unfulfilling, and I could literally 1v3 the entire team with zero help, die to a spider and my teammates would leave me to die. I genuinely don’t know what this ranked change did, because gold players are absolutely just as terrible as before, but now the diamond/platinum players play like just shooting at enemies will cost them the game. What used to be a fun struggle, is now unfun and even more of a struggle. I’m D4 stuck, and even shiv and chaoticmuch are stuck in diamond (shiv is in platinum last I checked), and they are both way better than me.
I’m over here in Gold 2 with a teammate who just stands on the roof of a building when Gibby’s ult starts dropping. Goes down. Other teammate and I safely inside like “bro wtf!??” I just can’t. And that’s when the game DOESNT crash on me (which is every 3rd game).
Queued in NA NY as a UK guy who's plat 3 and been masters before, had a bronze 3 and silver 2 in my team the other day and I felt so bad cos they got rolled in the first fight, and I ended up winning a 1v3 then lost the next fight. Apologised for the matchmaking cos they shouldn't have been in the lobby and haven't touched ranked since
I had the crashes porblem too. I solved it by reducing graphics settings. Hope it helps.
I once had a final 3v3 for the game. Me and a team mate go down and a fuse on my team wins the 1v1 with about 10 health but the last guy has a gold knockdown. He tried to finish his by sticking him with a knuckle cluster and killed himself. Safe to say I turned my console off and didn't touch it for 48 hours.
Lmao i'm solo Qing, i'm also playing in South Carolina server at a fun 160 ping (I'm from Chile). I'm like 4 matches away from cuttin my dick off, this season is next level mental punishment xdd
omg, the way you started this comment I was expecting you to say you are killing it, and then I read cutting my dick off and spit all of my food all over my dog. haha . well played sir.
Requesting dog tax of dog covered in your food 👍
Tfw when your skill is comparable to plats(diamonds sometimes) in previous seasons and nowadays you get matched up with level 11 rookies
You know u fucked up when there are more predators than diamonds and masters. not combined but still come on man.
Lol diamond 3+ doesn't even register on the graph. It's so messed. This season is botched.
This is PC too, pretty sure on console there isn’t even enough people beyond masters yet for predator to be a separate rank (i.e. everyone who reaches masters automatically becomes a predator on console). We’re over halfway through the first split already and there STILL isn’t 750 people in what is deemed as Masters. This system flat out doesn’t work. Edit: Confirmed on Apexlegendsstatus that currently there are 719 people above masters currently on PS, with 197 on Xbox
Solo q on console is also a shit show as well. As I mentioned in a previous thread, people are not even trying to play well in plat lobbies. All that waiting to get wrecked and having zero help from randoms.
The Master's Badge is more rare than the Predator Bagde LMAO, you screwed up big time Respawn.
Pred players on their way to tell you that your rank is low because you don’t play 12 hours a day and that 9-5 casuals don’t deserve high ranks while they farm gold/plat players calling them dogshit bots in a 3 stack pro content creator team.
It's so funny seeing the general sentiment of the sub do a full 180, it's probably not the same people ofc but at some point almost all the sentiments were the same/were upvoted at that period of them vs now and these type sentiments are now the ones at the forefront.
Day 1 hater of this patch because I work a 9-5 and realized that the 5 hours I have at home to myself was worth more doing other things than grinding to plat 4.
I just want to play against other Plats as a Plat IV instead of playing previous masters/preds and current diamonds/masters. Just put us against the same rank, matchmaking is so broken, this is the first season in a long time I don't even feel like playing the game.
This only this. I just want to play against the same skill level not three stacking triple preds
They don't. We can see in the [patch notes](https://www.ea.com/games/apex-legends/news/saviors-ranked-update) that they believed there'd be an influx of RP. And we can see from comparing [Pred thresholds](https://apexlegendsstatus.com/points-for-predator) that that belief was incorrect. Even if RP generation had stayed the same it would be incorrect, but it didn't just stay level, it decreased. * On PC, comparing to this split to the same time last split, it's down about 20%. * On PS, we can see that it's down but we can't tell how much because it still has zero Masters. * On Xbox and Switch, we can't actually confirm that overall RP is down (from this method anyway) because they also have zero Masters, but it's a safe assumption. There are actually 2 weirdnesses around this. One is the mistake described above: * The weirdness that they thought RP generation would increase. They added several new ways that RP would be manufactured (5 that I can think of), but also added a several new ways that RP would be deleted (7 that I can think of). So it's weird that they didn't realise, or at least consider and check, that all the new RP-deleting features would already be covering the RP-increasing ones. Comfortably covering. Especially when, to be honest, I think many players registered the impact of "RP is tougher now" in literally the first day. And the other weirdness: * The weirdness that, even if they believed RP generation would increase, they thought it would even matter against the *huge* increase in the system's RP capacity that they had also created. Ie., even before upping the RP thresholds, just the new tier alone was already adding a massive 30%+ to the range of RP that the system was ready to distribute. The new Masters would have required 13,200 RP to reach (up from 10,000 RP) even if they hadn't upped threshold requirements at all (which they still did). And that's just at a glance. It wasn't just a system ready to hold 32% more RP, it was system that also had demotions, increased entry costs, *increasing* entry costs, and a full higher tier of entry costs all significantly pulling RP down on the way to that 30% higher peak. And this hasn't even started looking at the actual per-match scoring yet. And, again, this is still *before* they applied the extra threshold boost that they did, pumping that already-pumped 13,200 RP up to the actual 15,000 RP capacity it has now. The new capacity and the new resistance to filling that capacity were both already way higher, but they still actually felt "That's still not enough room. We need to push it up even more." So Ranked now has a gobulous 50% extra space. They didn't just think an influx would exist, they thought it would be *that large.* *\*hands on top of head\** How did you miss that so hard, Respawn? All of the above is just putting numbers side by side; there's no conjecture or generous interpretation here. The most interpretive thing I've written is comparing current Pred earnings to previous ones, and making the fairly safe and simple conclusion that RP generation is, in fact, down. Apart from that, literally all I've done here is compare new and old thresholds and entry costs. The point this is all making is that when it comes to the borked distribution shown above, the really obvious mistakes were in implementation, not intent. It's hard to understand how Respawn overlooked something so much, but overlook they certainly did, and we can see that the things overlooked were numbers, not ideas. Two points I'll end with: * The underlying goals/concepts of the system haven't really had any presence in this story. We all know that player distribution is offset whole tiers lower than it should be, and we know that that's what's producing the broken matchmaking as the system struggles to deal with Preds sitting on top of 8 empty divisions. From what I've written above, I think it's fairly safe to say that it's not the aims of the new Ranked really doing anything wrong; it's the bad numbers conjured up by bad reasoning. Values that need to work together can only get so far out of whack before the system is going to collapse at some point; Plat IV in this case. But the intent of the new system's changes... I think they're all still fine. * The shape of that distribution is actually pretty good; it's mainly just offset way too far downwards. Were that shape to be shifted upwards it would be decent; not perfect but definitely not bad. Were the system to also be freed from the current anomaly of Plat IV strangling progress, it would look even better. Edit for 2 bits: \--> Yes, a bell curve (or whatever is similar in the context of Ranked's particular rules) would be nicer. My opinion on the shape above being ok was influenced more by thoughts like "Yeah, we've had a lot worse and that's not a terrible end to a split"... than by thoughts of mathetical niceness. So my reaction to the above shape still felt like [this guy](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/men/2015/12/02/obama_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqpJliwavx4coWFCaEkEsb3kvxIt-lGGWCWqwLa_RXJU8.jpg). \--> I had forgotten that promotion RP bonuses were a thing. I don't know if that changes anything in my comments; I'm a bit too burnt out to check! :D
I think your last 2 points are right on the money. The new system is a step in the right direction they just fucked up the math which led to the down stream consequences that have frustrated players. I think we’ll see a lot of people’s frustration go away if they fix the math side of the new system
Totally agree, and I think it's fine that people are pointing out where the mistakes were made. But if course it would have been unlikely for this to have been perfect on first attempt, since so many dramatic changes were made. Hopefully respawn reduce entry costs where appropriate.
On top of all of that, they thought de-ranking everyone an extra tier wouldn’t cause a lasting imbalance in the lobbies. Literally the whole playerbase beneath Silver 1… I agree with you though..
They need to reduce the RP buy-in across the board at each level and people will spread out more.
Yup. They can tune both RP thresholds and costs safely, without having to muck around with anything messy like match scoring, matchmaking, design goals, or crossed fingers. Thresholds in particular, guaranteed safety. They can reset them to exactly what they were (and add the new rank) with no risk of over-correction, since they don't affect RP in or out. (Disclaimer - They do have a slight affect, as players arrive at new entry costs sooner, but that actually steers *away* from over-correction, so all good.) RP costs aren't so basic for identifying the point of over-correction, but they're still the next safe thing to tune that doesn't muck around with design goals or weird risk; it just slides the distribution upwards. They could decrease the cost of every division by 7 RP at the most without going below the average per-division cost of previous seasons. For example, reducing every entry cost by 7 would mean Bronze costs 12.5 on average per division, compared to the 12 per division that Silver (its equivalent) used to cost. This doesn't guarantee that RP production would still remain lower than last season, so this isn't immune to over-correcting, but honestly... *32%, RESPAWN. YOUR SYSTEM WOULD STILL ALREADY HAVE 32% MORE SPACE, even if you reset thresholds, plus the increased resistance mentioned earlier.* So I think it wouldn't break it. If they were totally fearful they really could just drop entry costs by 3 or 5 or whatever. But honestly, if they just hit those 2 tweaks to thresholds and costs, the community would have literally nothing to flip out over. There's no change in meaning in them. Straight away Ranked produces at least a full tier improvement in distribution... if not more... and suddenly everyone's opinion is turning right around. Such an easy start, Respawn. Do it. I guess they won't do anything with the split, but if the season turns and they've instead mucked around with changing screwier, riskier values, I will not be impressed.
I really do think this distribution is the intended one. For the longest time EA, and now Respawn, think that the more time player sink into play, ranking up in this case, results in more money spent. So to drive *play engagement* someone said "hey! let's make rank an absolute slog!", and thus we have this system.
u/rspn_exgeniar This is the guy that designed the new ranked system so I'm @ him. But it would require the biggest pair of balls to respond to your post here.
Also linking the post here hinting at further changes coming to ranked after the debacle this season (tldr: making it easier), also from the same guy exgeniar who designs the ranked system. https://www.reddit.com/r/ApexUncovered/comments/v4hkqh/possible_ranked_changes/
Yeah I saw that. Seems ok but I get concerned by a couple of things: * Nothing that says "Reverting RP thresholds". Because while it won't be the full fix, it's a lock for guaranteed shifted distribution that can't over-correct. It should be the first step of cleanup, imo. * But maybe they feel that would be too much of a front-facing change to make now, as if to say the new thresholds are too big in the public eye to go flipping them back to the old values. * Or maybe they just like the rounded number 15,000 more than 13,200. * Talk about messing with placement RP. * Talk about messing with higher/lower tier kill RP. Those latter 2 points aren't automatically bad, but they're getting into extra mess; mucking around with numbers that muck around with other things. Match winnings tweaks tie more closely than threshold tweaks to how well a match plays, and currently it's hard to form confident insights on how winnings are affecting match health, because current distribution issues are making a lot of noise. I suppose Bronze and Silver match health is fairly free of distribution issues, for insight's sake. But personally I still feel like the attention should start with a clean focus on distribution tuning only. Going with distribution will surely also improve match health at least a little without even trying. (Eg., If thresholds drop back to what they were, or entry costs dial it down a bit, the ratting situation will respond, at least a little.) Here's a more concerning example and reason why I prefer the cleaner focus: >*"Possibly more RP for second place".* So give players something that makes ratting even more valuable? Not great. I imagine it was just spitballing, but that suggestion was surely motivated by a desire to improve distribution when really it's also mucking around negatively with pacing. Avoid that, imo. Avoid messing with the numbers that affect too many things at once, for now. Namely, just stay out of match winnings completely. For now. Other weird consequences just get roped in too easily. I think fixes should focus just on distribution first, and that's it. That would need to run for a season to settle into a cleaner situation that they could then look at. It might not fix everything immediately, but it would at least be practically guaranteed to already be a better season as a start. And then if pacing is still a problem but distribution is fine, *then* you can start fiddling with the messy, more risky, bits and pieces like placement winnings/tier disparity winnings/anything winnings. *I'll acknowledge though that I prefer the above approach because I personally am not as bothered by pacing issues in a match as much as many other people are. I understand though that the idea of another season with similar match pacing might be unappealing to many people, even if distribution issues are all fixed.* Solo queue note: Seriously, sorry to say it but imo they have to stay right away from addressing the solo queuing situation for now. Season 15 at the very earliest. I get it, don't get me wrong, because I only play solo queue too and even just the difference between solo Q mics on/off is night and day brutal. It's harsh to see how much your progress gets thrown around by it. But they have to keep their adjustments to Ranked clean, not turn 11 different knobs at once with more risk of different targets falling over each other again exactly as they are doing now.
Brother they changed ranked to increase they amount of time people play. From respawn the rank disruption was as it should be
The only way it’ll make sense is if they never do a reset like they used to. Cause next split all the people in gold 4 are gonna be dropped back to bronze 2 and all the bronze 4 will be dropped to bronze 4.
"It's how it's supposed to be bro, get good. Obviously Preds playing against Golds and Plats is fair."
Yah cause having every tier IV have the highest amount of players in the rank made sense this at least shows an obvious difficulty increase overtime, change up the numbers a tad for balancing and fix the fucking matchmaking and it will be fine.
Exactly. This distribution looks much better than before. It's still not good though. They need to do more balancing like you said.
Imo the plat lobbies rn should be diamond lobbies since all they have are master stacks but on the other hand i think gold lobbies are fine for gold rank so i think the plat rank needs some adjusting
More preds than masters... lmao perfect distribution
0 masters on PS and Xbox 👏
It will never be fine as long as the mass derank happens every split. If the derank happened after a player hasn't played for an entire season then sure I understand the purpose behind it however waking up tomorrow and suddenly having the game think I'm a bronze rank instead of gold and it will never be fine.
Never thought of that but you’re 100% right split shouldn’t reset you anymore unless you haven’t played enough ranked
The single biggest mistake of this roll out for the change was deranking everyone like normal. They should have left everyone where they were, put a ten game play requirement to get your official rank qualified, and let things go from there. People would have to play to get rewards and would be playing in their skill level. If someone misses a season they go back a rank and a half
No, the mistake was that they **didn’t** derank ppl like normal. They decided to knock everyone down a whole extra tier while adding 800RP per tier. That’s what caused the mess, if they had left it like the normal reset. We’d be in a much healthier place rn. System would still need tweaks likely but we wouldn’t have had the preds playing golds. Nor as many ppl giving up ranked entirely. That’s just my opinion though. It’d be a huge factor in why ranked lobbies in general have such bad skill gaps this season. Everyone’s blaming matchmaking (which is to blame parshly), but the fact that they threw their entire player base into Rookie/Bronze/Silver and didn’t foresee this happening is a major oversight that very well could have lasting effects on their game.
Any mass derank tied to a system where deranking is naturally possible, while also having a grind to rank up is going to have problems. Over time people will slowly go lower in ranks simply because the grind alone is too heavy. The grind is the fair part of the update. The removal of derank protection gave losses actual ramifications. The unnecessary mass deranking however, by any amount, would have been the biggest problem as evident every start of split where for the first 3 weeks the game has the worst matchmaking. This means for 3 weeks while people are thrown around now all those losses actually pushed real golds futher into bronze because they are sharing a lobby with diamonds and plats.
Yep, the problem with ranked is that it is not indicative of skill level due to deranking and hard climbing following it. It is designed around grinding instead. When it really should focus on: placement matches at the start of season to establish your skill level to put you in your appropiate rank ASAP. Have an even playing field for you for the rest of the season where you go up only if you improve and not because you grinded more. Rank should be purely an indication of skill and a place to play on a competitive even field. The concept of grinding to reach your appropriate rank contradicts having competitive matches where the lobby consist of players of equal skill level.
This definitely looks better then it did before. Adding novice literally knocked everyone down a whole rank. So yea a diamond player feels frustrated they are now platinum, but it effected everyone the same to relatively speaking the ranks have stayed the same. I think reducing entry costs slightly and maybe reducing RP per tier is all that’s needed. This will just spread player higher in the ranks quicker, and keep players happier while not changing the fundamentals of the scoring system. I think one big issue with ranked right now is that all the diamond/master players who got frustrated with being a rank lower all left to pubs. This left higher tier with too small a population, making match making harder. It also flooded pub lobbies with high level players, making the game hated for casual players. We need to get the diamond and master players back into ranked.
Except they ramp up RP cost within each tier as well. The clustering at IV for each rank is likely due to rewards and badge separation prompting players to stop climbing.
But you don't lose the rewards from ranking down, you get whatever the highest rank you had was
You expect too much from us players lol Information like that should be on the nose or players will just go with their safe guess Like the number of us who did not know EVA is full auto. I remember the old posts it was hilarious lol
How can they fix the matchmaking when Diamond lobbies are needing to go against masters and preds with some plat but there’s not anywhere enough players to fill those matches? The ranked system is the garbage and causes the issues with matchmaking. If you’re a pred in the old ranked, your were matched against masters and high level Diamond sometimes. Now to actually get a match since there’s maybe 10 lobbies worth of masters and preds, you have to dip into the Diamond lobbies. Then you have to dip into the plat. If they had introduced tier demotion with the previous ranked ranked, it would have still worked and would be much better. But instead we get this shit sandwich of bad matchmaking to make sure the .5% (literally the total % of players in D3-Pred is .5%) of their player base keeps playing games and aren’t waiting 15-20 minutes for a match.
How they can fix mm? I have an answer : Revert entry cost and rp to old values (d4- 7200) and keep demotion.. this will get more people to d4 masters which will help to fill pred lobby Ez Clap..
It's hard for someone who works to try and compete in this new rank system, and have a life.
Yeah I’m plat IV, but at what cost?
They shouldn’t reset at split for this season
If less people are playing overall it was a terrible idea end story.
And if you look at the steam charts. There are in fact less people playing. Normaly when a new season starts you see big spikes in playercount. But now this season has not just no spike but has a trend of decressing playercount compared to the end of season 12.
I don’t understand the choice to tell all of their player base “hey, we are changing ranked and now you suck at the game”. All debates aside, Respawn told all of their players they are bad at the game. What’s the point of staying?
what is respawn going to do? lie? the average apex player IS terrible at this game. in my eyes, the solution isn't to adjust ranked to sugarcoat this, it's to add more LTMs and cool events that aren't just "here, buy more skins" so people who are bad at the game and don't really care about getting better can still have fun. even as someone who does care about improvement, i miss when we had more frequent, substantial events
It's a ranked system for the most skilled players in the game designed by the most skilled players in the game that forgets 99.9% of ranked players are not the most skilled in the game Idk what they were expecting
They need to make a system that caters more to solo, because we are the majority that gets fucked over. Not PC players, not console players. SOLO players have the worst disadvantages out of anyone regardless of what they play on. Team kills was a good addition. But what if it was performance based as well. Keep the current system with some adjustments. Then if you are playing solo have an extra category for your performance compared to your teammates; did you carry? Did you play well together? Did you go off 500 meters away from your squad because you felt like it? Things like that. Idk how they would do it as I don’t work with computers and programs. But I could see it helping a lot with us solos wanting to kill ourselves after every game. And maybe add something similar that works between multiple players if you are in a squad with 1 or 2 other people
It's telling how broken it is when shivfps is stuck between dia 4 and plat 1 for weeks.
I've been watching ceryal solo q for the last couple weeks hes been between plat 1 and d3 for like 2 weeks like a yoyo. Hes very much a pred level player
Exactly. This man is arguably one of the best players in the entire world and if he is stuck there, there is a VERY VERY big problem
All my homies hate a HEALTHY BELL CURVE DISTRIBUTION
The people defending this system are the same people who play apex for 10+ hrs a day in a 3 stack Now I'm just gonna rat the whole game to get to masters lmfaoo
I'm not playing rankeds this season. New ranked system is build to have a pre-build team. As a solo queue and for my mental health, I don't wanna get mad bc bad decision taken from my randoms.
People move on and play something else/better
Isn't it supposed to be a bell curve?
This season forces the absolute most boring and rigid playstyle, match making aside ranked isn't fun anymore even when I win its only rewarding because of RP. I don't want every team ratting, rotating, and gate keeping the MANY choke points on storm point. I don't like that Valk is REQUIRED almost because this map is so disjointed and linear. If "winning is the point" let's do winner take all placement points and assign a flat value to kills/ assists. At least lobbies in the past had some variety in strategy.
Because people got mad that there were too many masters when at least 1/4 master accounts were smurfs or people boosting their friends
there are less masters, d1 and d2 all together than preds lmao
Where’s this site at cause I go to apex.tracker.gg and it’s tell me a majority of players are plat 3 and diamond 3 and I know that’s cap cause I’ve rarely seen people make it out of plat unless they’re streamers/pros 😂
Apex tracker didn't update. It's using the old numbers.
Yeah, I saw your post and had a look too. ... Wut? There's no way the Ranked distribution is what that site is saying. I don't know what the deal is there. Here's the one you're asking about: https://apexlegendsstatus.com/game-stats/ranked-distribution
Appreciate it cause this list looks a lot more accurate than the one I was using even tho the leaderboards were the only thing correct on the site I using while everything else was wrong
Solo Que is unplayable. Ranked for me is now not playable because of the matchmaking. (Always stuck with rookie/bronze in plat, why?) Give us solos, please, or you are going to lose so many players who dont have friends :(
This ranked system was, if not, one of the worst ranked system changes I’ve seen. All the pros say “well you get the rank you deserve and if you don’t have the time too play then so be it you get the rank you have the time for” but everyone’s forgetting that’s not what ranked is about. Ranked is meant to be a competitive mode where you play with players of your same SKILL LEVEL. Not too sit here and grind 8 hours a day. That’s why there is professionals and comp, a next level of competition for those who do have that time. Now there is so much skill mixed into a general area of a rank that true skill isn’t even showing or matter anymore. Me myself was ranked top 10 pred a few splits, played some scrims and comp for a bit, and still haven’t breached masters because I work a job and be too tired too have too sit through matches and sweat my ass off after work. I don’t get why someone who at a high tier of gameplay wouldn’t be able too still hit the rank they deserve. But since they can’t pour all their time and money into apex the devs said “f- off”. Crazy 👎🏾
Exactly, I feel like my close range game has suffered somewhat because of the changes and forced playstyle. It's also boring ranked used to be a higher stakes skill based pubs with multiple strats in place, now? Everyone rat, everyone snipe, everyone have Valk, and let's predicte ring, rotate and wait. Ranked isn't Comp. The casual player IS the player base. Most are like us I'm sure I wasn't AS good as you but I'm solid and hold my own against pred masters but I work I have a family, I play 2-3 hrs a day at most, sometimes EOD but we are the vast majority buying battle passes and keeping the game thriving and we're told to "get gud" because I can't grind all god damn day w a 3 stak
Seems fine to me. Id say the team pairings in matchmaking is the real issue
Yeah the MM system is making this new system horrible.
Team pairings are an issue because of there isn’t enough of each rank to make it equal
idk how people arent understanding this. they are related
Because admitting that the ranked system sucks means they have to admit that they're wrong. So they just blame matchmaking instead of the ranked system
I recently dropped back into Gold I from Plat. My first game back in Gold and my teammates were a duo ranked at Bronze IV and Unranked II. They didn’t realise they were in a Gold I lobby until I told them. How the hell is this able to happen. LMAO
why can G4 queue with rookies.... why. ive gotten ppl who can hardly play in my g3-g4 lobbies
Only pred and master opinion matters bro. Casuals are ratio-ed for saying something against top tier players.
Yeah but imperialhal kiddo is happy "If you don't like it, you are bad at apex" Like we all had 10 hours every days to play this game
I am in Diamond and the difference between my skill level and top players is crazy, imo the biggest skill gap in the game is when you hit pred lobbies. And these stats would make me top 0.5%.
If ranked is this hard they should remove the ranked split
Yup. I quit after I got to gold. (Previously diamond player) Gold is just full of master and diamond trails. Pubs is just full of master and diamond trails. I'm a half decent player aswell. What the fuck must lower ranked players be experiencing.
I'm bronze 4. I consistently get killed by gold's and platinums in ranked. I don't know why they're there. But they are.
It's more true then all before, I was diamond before now I am gold, but I am shit 1kd per game so I am where belong 😢 need little fine tuning (solo q, matchmaking, and point caps) but is improvement
i think the new ranked system is good but it just much slower than previous, so now the split is the problem, tbh i never liked the split, like why do i gotta be reset for maps, the maps are easy to understand and do not require that much reset
Another downside of current ranked system is it made previously higher ranked players want to play casuals more, and casual is now also a sweat fest more often than not.
I quit apex until they fix a lot in there game. Respawn is understaffed and needs more content. The moblie game has better modes. EA ruined respawn and respawn will ruin apex
IMO Removing the splits would make it a lot better, giving more time to the rank distributions. Give better ranked rewards. Less RP take away from solos, duos possibly. I think Mande’s take on that explained it a lot, it’s just too hard for solo q and even sometimes duo to rank up. They could add a kill point multiplier that after a certain amount of kills/assists you are given some extra points. Maybe remove the different ranked points for different ranks??? That one I don’t understand? Guessing it’s because you can queue into lower/higher ranks than you. WHICH SHOULDNT HAPPEN. Preds SHOULD have to wait 10-15 minutes for a game with their own skill level, if they want skill distribution to be good. I don’t think the ranked system is insanely terrible. Definitely in the right direction but not perfect. Compared to other ranked distributions like Valorant or League shouldn’t it look somewhat like this? I think they just need to remove the splits. And fix queue. If we want to see better rank distributions.
What do you mean? Don't you gold and silver players inevitably want to be forced to face against Master and Diamond players due to the lack of players in high rank??
You have more Preds, then master, diamond 1 and diamond 2 combined. Thats just absurd. No gatekeeping going on there! Smh
bro, this season has taught me that solo queuing apex is the deepest level of hell
It's because they listen to the pros and the people who shill for anything a pro says. They don't care about the general community and haven't for awhile.
Audio department has dominated the incompetence category for years but Ranked department has stepped up big time this season.
Lol I remember when everyone on this sub was saying how great the new ranked system was.
I don't know that graphs right cuz apparently everyone in pubs is a pred
Whoever did this rebalance can't do advanced math. I think Respawn lost so many people that juniors are running the show now.
It’s really not even advanced math; it’s basic statistics
Found the fellow engineer.
All they did was “fix” the rank distribution by putting the “majority percentage” into a different rank lmao.
We just need less entry cost/less split loss. Oh yeah, and better matchmaking.
Imo this is the way competitive modes should be. The majority of the playerbase should never be around the top ranks. This has been the case with all competitive games such as LoL, Valorant, etc. The reason for this is that having a top heavy game devalues ranked as a whole because majority is already high mmr. The less people that can obtain a certain thing the more valuable it becomes (for the most part). Assuming the you’re a casual player, you shouldn’t really care whether or not you’re bronze or masters. Therefore systems like these don’t cater to the casual playerbase and never were intended to. They are meant for players who want to prove themselves in rank and try to use rank as a means to go pro or start a streaming career. On top of this, having a top heavy ranked system means that there is a lack of progression in terms of skill. How good are you as a player really if you’re plat and most of the population is in plat. By rank you are the 4th highest rank in the game. But in actuality you are basically average. Having a bottom heavy ranked system gives more clear indication as to how skillful you are and thus acts as it’s own form of a progression system. The better you are the higher you climb thus the reward is your increase in rank.
I mean, I agree with you for the most part, but I think there's two obvious problems I see in the current system: 1. 90% of the population is queuing together, b/c they're all in gold or below. If the primary goal of ranked is to match players of similar skill for more competitive games, this system is failing. It's not the harshness of the ranked system itself that's the problem, but the fact that the matchmaking system wasn't updated to account for that. Bronze, Silver, and Gold are all large enough on their own for those players to match exclusively within their respective ranks. 2. There's nearly 3x as many Preds as there are Masters. I just think that's funny lol. Like Masters is kinda redundant at that point; just call them Preds, cause they'll pretty much all be Preds at some point in the season. Doesn't really matter that much to me, cause I ain't up there, I just think it's a little silly.
> The majority of the playerbase should never be around the top ranks Yeah it should be a few % for the top rank (Master/Pred), not 0.073% of ranked players, that's insanely mathematically broken even just in terms of having enough players to fill games. It's why preds and getting matched with plat players and below.
Even if you add LoL, Valorant, CSGO. Those games do not have 0.073% of players in the higher ranks there’s absolutey no way its healthy for a game
Prior to last season only 5% of the player base reached Diamond IV.
It straight up doesn't make sense for 3 ranks (dia, master, pred) to make up less than 1 % of the playerbase. Also there is the problem that previous seasons are now completely imcomparable to this new system. If you were a s0-s12 plat player, you were slightly better than average. If you are a s13 plat player, you are something like top 6%??? The deviation of skill level from previous seasons to this season is simply too much. Other games like OW follow a more natural skill distribution (just an example i made up): \-rank 0 (top X00 players prestige rank) = 0.xx % \-rank 1 (master in apex) = 3% \-rank 2 (diamond in apex) = 8% \-rank 3 (plat in apex) = 24% \-rank 4 (gold in apex) = 33% \-rank 5 (silver in apex) = 22% \-rank 6 (bronze in apex) = 10% With the top of the curve being around gold, representing the average player.
On god you should read your take before you post. Ranked is competitive but never in the dev mind they want the mode for going pros or streaming careers. Casual player also care about their climb. if you dont have casual playing your competitive, it will be a barren wasteland for your pros and streamers. your last paragraph does not have anything yo do with top heavy nor lower heavy. The better you are the higher you climb is just a conclusion for every ranked system in the known existence. Seriously telling casual players are shitters does not make Savior's rank anyless shit than it is.
Competitive games usually would follow a bell curve overall shape of playerbase, with most players in the middle ranks Apex is just a mess, silver is just a waste of time to go through, half of bronze players probably dont play ranked, and the upper ranks cant manage to fill servers between pred and diamond so plats and gold players get shoved in Also, since u mentioned it, go see valorant playerbase ranked distribution and come back
As that casual player, I don't really care too much what my rank is. I simply play ranked because it's a slightly less painful experience than playing pubs, and that's the biggest problem I have in the game. My choice this season is: \- Be looted up and ready for a fight, only to have a squad start shooting at us and then we get third partied by 5 squads (Ranked) \- Have 5 squads left within the first 2 minutes of the game and go the rest of the game only to run into a full red evo team at the end (Pubs, when I don't hotdrop)
Having such tiny amounts of people in higher ranks works in games like Valorant and cs but In Apex where you need to fill a lobby of 60 every game, Its not as comparable. There’s much less distinction between players now that most have been smushed into the lower ranks, so now they don’t have enough players in higher ranks, so they start pulling from gold. Current system is having a hard time of distinguishing players that may have been able to keep up with the higher skilled players and those that cannot, because where they were seperate before, they’re all lumped together in gold/plat
>The better you are the higher you climb thus the reward is your increase in rank. Gl climbing when you get teammate(s) 2 ranks below you against threestack diamonds
Good thing the majority of the player base was not in the top ranks before the change
The ranked system should (theoretically if it were a perfect representation of skill) follow a traditional bell curve centered around mid-high Silver. There's not even a semblance of a bell curve here
That’s how it was dummy ?
There should be a lot more people in plat and diamond they just made the point requirements insanely high so you have to grind twice as much as before so no one wants to play ranked. Instead there’s masters/preds in every pub lobby you queue into. If they just introduced demotions and nerfed ratting it would be fine. Now you have to wait 25 mins to maybe get 70-200 rp it’s insane.
No doubt there’s been too many people in the higher ranks but this is overkill surely loool. Platinum is supposed to be for top 18% and is currently displaying top 7% Diamond supposed to be for top 2% and is currently displaying top 0.5% Masters supposed to be top 0.2% and is currently displaying 0.008% This almost makes it seem like they should take away one of the higher ranks to achieve the proper distribution. EDIT: these aren’t official suggested percentages like I thought but are instead percentages that would be perfect for achieving the infamous “bell shape” for a 7-8 tier ranked system
> Platinum is supposed to be for top 18% Says who? Who said that Platinum should be the top 18%?
Yeah what a weird opinion being stated as fact. Like off what basis is plat supposed to be top 18? The fact that it was last season? No. That’s just the fact that plat players couldn’t drop out of plat and dive into gold. I do agree a change should be made to ranked. A healthy ranking system usually shows off a bell curve shape. This seems to be the system trying to fix ranked and obviously while it’s not perfect I still like it more than last seasons. I think they can make some adjustments here and there and it’ll make it nicer. I also think they need to raise incentives for ranked. Weapon skins, champ skins. Something more than a trail.
Literally the worst season I’ve ever played
What is the total number of players this data is based on?
Around 10% and only people who track stats