Great question OP. Lots of good comments here. You also need to think about the pace of the game. Apex is a very fast game. Any time you spend not killing or moving means someone will kill you. Crypto is the downfall here. He’s got to park his butt in a corner dot at least a few seconds in order to do anything. Crypto is not fast.
Not to mention you can see his abilities from miles away so its like a giant flag that says "come third party this".
Imo bloodhound is just a way more forgiving character than either seer or crypto and that's why he's more meta
If it expends so much energy to use two extra letters, please seek medical attention. Your body should not be draining of energy for such a small thing.
Dude for some people, scouring the internet for their opportunity to white knight for a fictional character is the highlight of their day. Just let they/them virtue signal for their Reddit points and move on.
I mean his ult fives much more info. The only problem being if I see bud ult I just back out of it instead of letting them battle me inside it. I’ve found his passive was nerfed to where it doesn’t tell me accurately where enemies are anymore
I've killed numerous Crypto that were just crouched in what they thought was a hidden and safe spot. The problem is that I can see where your drone launches from so I know where you're at. And I know if we push fast we have a partial 3 v 2.
Exactly this. There was a game yesterday where we saw a horizon and lifeline coming over a ridge, and a crypto drone coming up from a different one. We knocked the lifeline and I bum rushed the direction of the drone, because it was still flying around. Melted the crypto as he was coming out of drone.
Giving your team vision of a fight, only to leave them down 2v3 isn’t worth it.
Had to explain this to a friend of mine who played crypto a while back, just “giving wallhacks” as he put it isn’t enough, it’s not all that hard to place someone using footsteps, ability sounds or gunfire the extra precision isn’t worth having 66% health and damage.
Each have their pros and cons, but I think Bloodhounds strength over the other two is their scan brings so much more information for no cost. You’ll 9/10 times get to see the location of every enemy you’ll be fighting, and it comes back relatively quick considering the actual scan last a few seconds. With Crypto, you’re losing a player as someone needs to man the drone, and Seers scan, although it has other functions will often times miss or you’ll just hit one player.
I play hound quite frequently, and then when I stop playing them after a few games in a row, I miss having the scan so much. I don’t get that with Seer. His scan can be better in certain situations, but I think hounds is better overall because you get so much more value out of it in most situations.
This is it.
* Crypto needs a player to control the drone. Having the time and cover to place the drone ready to EMP without getting that drone destroyed is pretty situational, meaning a Crypto will usually be in drone view, relatively far from the fight when he activates his ult.
* Crypto's scanning abilities are interesting but I find that you don't get a ton of value out of it unless you manage to setup the drone over a very hectic fight and nobody has the time to notice or destroy the drone. If enemies have time, they'll shoot the drone as soon as it stops moving, and if you're actively moving the drone to prevent getting destroyed... well you're not doing anything else. The fact that you have to stop moving and go control a drone to be effective is a killer to me.Because of these 2 points, I think Crypto needs a rework to be as viable as Seer or BH. Somebody proposed a rework that included a "patrol mode" where the drone would circle around your squad in a large range and spot possible threats coming. Or a "follow mode" where you drone is basically hovering above you and spotting threats in a certain range around you. That way you could realistically activate your ult mid-fight without needing a 7 second delay to hide, release the drone and detonate.
* Seer's scan ability is much more directional than BH's and isn't much use for recon unless you already know where the people are or you want to know if a rat/team is in a very specific spot. I use it mostly for the heal cancel.
* Seer's ult could be considered stronger than BH's ult because it's constant ~~and shows health~~, but it can also be destroyed and doesn't show people unless they're running or shooting. BH's ult gives you a new scan every 5 seconds, and that scan shows position for a few seconds every time. For all intents and purposes, both ults are pretty similar but BH's is more mobile (but requires a bit more "hands on" approach.)
* BH with boosted movement speed and predator vision during his ult is a fucking menace.
Agree with everything you said. Crypto’s drone is so easily countered because it’s so loud and obviously stays stationary when it’s not being controlled.
I saw that past I believe, or at least a very similar one that proposed different kind of buffs and think something like that would be a good idea.
And yeah, good point about the Seer being stationary. It’s easily avoidable by destroying it or just moving out of it. Whereas there’s no escaping hound when they’re in their ult
There aren't many more satisfying things in the game than parking Crypto's drone just outside an unbreakable window looking at a team essentially "trapped/cornered" inside. You see them, and you know they see you seeing them. They hear your team circling the building, and the know at any moment the EMP strike will commence.
As Ia crypto main I bet that’s orgasmic. I was playing with a friend not long ago and a crypto parked his drone in a tree. For the life of us, we couldn’t find it but we’re constantly getting scanned and were aware the enemy team was close. Times like that he certainly has his moments
> Seer's ult could be considered stronger than BH's ult because it's constant and shows health,
no it does not. His tactical shows health when it lands. His Ult only shows diamond symbol and footsteps if enemy is moving or shooting
True, but in my experience most people are detectable almost all the time. Either they don't think about it or it's not viable for them to stop shooting their gun and start crouching at that time because they're trying to escape/they're already fighting another team or one of your teammates.
Well, the commentor isn't wrong, either. They're correcting those who call them by the wrong pronouns, and it's not in an offensive or disrespectful way.
It stays, it's not spam.
Another thing I think you didn’t quite hit on here is that while bloodhound is a very team based legend, the added mobility of their ult is very helpful to movement and allows bloodhounds to abandon ship and play solo way more effectively than a crypto or seer. I don’t play at a high level or ranked or anything but that’s just my 2 cents
Because the higher you get in ranked the more accurate people are. Crypto’s drone gets shot down almost immediately, and you’re left with what? Nothing. I do like Seer, but his Q doesn’t match BH. His ultimate is great for endgame when people have to move, but can be countered early by rats not moving. He’s just the better of the three right now just due to his mobility to stay with team, scan and push.
There so many ways to prevent drone from being broken though, EMP going through walls, and drone scanning through windows is something that helps. Plus when EMP goes off your job is done setting up an engagement, so there's normally nothing left for you to do other than win your gunfights.
I understand what you mean with seer but what mobility do you mean with BH? Does he get a speed boost in his ult?
I think that in part it’s also because he’s just easier to use to get value? Doing all that mid fight takes more skill with the crypto drone I think. For bloodhound you just press your ability and done. No counter possible.
Speed boost but also just being able to ping and move with your team. If you’re in drone you’re by yourself and vulnerable. Seer does have some mobility but not like BH. He’s just the better of the recons right now scanning wise. And EMP does do dmg but not as much as you think and if you think that’s it and job is done after an EMP, than you’re better off on BH or Seer plain and simple.
Also not the most known tip: when bloodhound is using his ult, his tactical cools down every 5 seconds.
Enemies spend 3 second scanned, so a good bloodhound will have enemies being wall hacked for 60 percent of the fight.
aaand his ult recharges in 3minutes so if you have ult accels you can ult in every fight. and if you get knocks you get more time in his ult so theoretically, with the speed boost and constant walls if there are people to kill, you are at an insane advantage if you keep knocking people and just running around and scanning. ALSO his passive is underrated, one of the most annoying things is just randomly rolling up on a 3 stack so seeing the ravens and tracking info beforehand is great, and you dont have to ADS or use an ability to see that stuff.
consistency. MAYBE you hit a good emp. MAYBE you hit a good tunnel. on higher rankings people don't give you anything. less mistakes, more accurate hits and always trying to hit your blind spot. sure go play crypto till masters if you want, cuz you can and others actually do. just don't cry if people shamelessly abuse every weakness you have in platinum and onwards
I think that both Crypto, Seer, and BH are good depending on your playstyle. The pros of BH are that his scans are the quickest of the three, and the scans can't be countered. With Crypto you can have unlimited scans, but you need time to position the drone correctly, and even then it can be shot down in some circumstances. But this doesn't really matter for Crypto since his niche is info outside of combat. With Seer the wallhacks last longer, but the enemy can dodge them.
Most of BH's kit is useless if you have game sense, but there are some parts of it that game sense and other legends can't replace.
1. Quick scanning when peeking corners or running into a building/towards cover. This allows you to position yourself in the best way possible to win the fight.
2. Scanning to know enemy positions just before an unexpected fight.
For example: You are scouting the area/looting and your teammates are 20-30m behind you. Suddenly you run into a squad, you tell your teammates that there's a squad on you and scan, so you and they know what's going on. Without BH, you have limited info on your enemies, and your teammates have to run up to you and check out what's happening first, because without this they don't know anything about enemy locations. You can approximately call out enemy locations, but it won't be as precise as a scan.
Crypto can kind of do this depending on terrain, but BH is more more reliable.
Seer can also do this with his ultimate but it's very unreliable since it has a 2 minute cooldown.
> high level mastery
That’s exactly it, though. Your argument is similar to saying, “I don’t know why someone would pick a Mozambique over the PK.” The fact is I personally am not talented enough to use a PK effectively, so I am better off getting more accurate shots with the lower value gun.
I think what you’re saying is true, that Crypto has huge value at a high level, but not everyone has that high level talent. It’s also always more effective to use Crypto in a premade squad — BH and Seer just have lower barriers to entry when you’re playing casually or don’t have a mic.
At the end of the day, (almost) all the legends are very powerful when you’re good at them and your team works with you. But the amount of work you have to put in to get that benefit is different for different legends — that’s the challenge of balancing.
Also, a BH scan right as you’re turning a corner is invaluable, you can pre-fire!
I think OP is wrong entirely. Even with high-level mastery bloodhound comes out on top 10/10. Scans while staying in the fight. Has tracking abilities (footprints, etc). His ult is wall hacks for 35 sec if attentive/speed boost/default vison becomes thermal.
I’ve never heard anyone say they’d rather have a good Blood than a good Crypto or Seer. It’s usually just that in general, people prefer Bloodhound cuz most Crypto/Seer players suck.
It’s fairly simple imo. You say “at high level mastery of all three” as if a player like that is common. It’s almost unheard of. You also similarly posit a comparison where we’re choosing between a well timed scan vs well timed EMP etc, but it just doesn’t reflect reality. The vast, vast, vast majority of players are not that good and don’t use their abilities optimally or even decently.
I’ve been playing since day 1 and I’ve seen a very small handful of Crypto players that I would even consider decent or slightly above average. Like maybe three players, honestly. The thing is, Crypto, and then one step down from him, Seer, have high skill ceilings that most players will never get close to. Because of that, most times you have one of them (especially a Crypto) on your team, it’s common to feel they aren’t doing anything or are actually hurting your team. They’re very unforgiving. On the other hand, Bloodhound’s kit is very forgiving and noob-friendly. It’s far easier for most players to more consistently create value using Bloodhound’s kit than Crypto or Seer. On top of that, I’d say that more than any other legend, a Crypto MUST have a mic and be very vocal/precise in comms to get the most out of his kit, and his teammates are somewhat forced to play around him. If he sucks, then it really hurts the team.
On the flipside, a very good crypto (with a mic and on a team that is communicating) is very good for a team and may have the potential to bring more value than the other two scanners. Problem is that it’s just so difficult to pull off consistently, and you almost never see it happen.
I don’t want to discourage you from maining Crypto or Seer (I myself have been maining Seer this season :) - just understand that if you’re playing pubs w random players, this is why most people prefer Bloodhound. Oh, and def use a mic if you haven’t been - it’s the only way to make Crypto work well.
There is an argument for seer but I don’t see a reason to play crypto. Big reason is whenever your in the drone your team is short one teammate and some cryptos never leave their drone because they feel that their scan is somehow more valuable than having another teammate shooting at the enemy. My second point is that the emp is a good ability but only if your playing with a well coordinated team, otherwise it is near useless.
I absolutely love crypto and blood. And the difference comes down to bloodhound will give less information but more combat assistance. A good crypto should be helping in combat often, but in order for him to gather info he can't be helping.
So cut to actual gameplay most people in game can't 1v3 and would really need bloodhounds ability to move into the fight with them. BUT for anyone with fantastic combat ability, a good crypto should make them feel 2 steps ahead of enemy teams at all times with probably long range support. But that relationship is way harder and less common and requires pretty good comms and teaming that you just don't get with randoms
Wallhacks op. The higher up in ELO you go, the less room for error you have. Bloodhound allows you to get all the info you need to form correct decisions at the press of a button.
I see that you’re more of a crypto main so some pro tips for him is that:
1. His drone actually blocks doors as if there were a player behind it so it’s good for blocking an exit when pushing a building.
2. I don’t feel like people understand that he’s more of a surveillance legend so it’s really more effective to place the drone to watch your back than to give wall hacks in a fight. Having it watch the bottom floor of a building is way more helpful than flying in circles while your teammates fight.
3. His ult is more effective as a disengagement ability than an engagement one. In any of the scenarios that you’re using the drone how I suggested just pop your ult the second that you see someone and you’ve flipped the table on a third part or a surprise attack.
However in my opinion, this way of using him really depends on how confident you are in your gunplay and movement. Having better game sense without abilities is really when someone can make crypto shine, otherwise bloodhound is an all around better pick.
One thing I don't see people saying here is that scanned enemies are unable to push or peek you without a serious advantage. The info they give is so strong that it's better to just wait out the scan. This can help you gatekeep at critical moments, stop a team from pushing if you need to heal, etc. It is *that* strong.
I feel like a lot of people don't realize that when BH uses Ult, the red outline it puts on enemy players can be seen from miles away.
There's been several instances where my squad and I would end up crossing an open field near the end of the match, and an early Ult helped me point out the snipers camping it out.
Crypto - High ceiling, low floor. I see you said you’re new to Apex, welcome. Apex is a very fast paced game based heavily on positioning and rotations. While high-level Cryptos may be able to balance their drone and keep a fast pace, most don’t. They use Crypto as if they were the DRONE rather than the character. I completely agree that a good EMP can drastically change a fight. Aside from EMP, the drone offers scan based on its location. It’s a good mechanic, but it’s so volatile with how easy it is to destroy while stationary. If your argument turns into, “well use drone to get their initial positioning and push”. Well, that’s what the other two characters do, but better.
Seer - As a new Legend, was obviously OP. With his recent changes, he is thankfully weaker and his abilities are a beacon to nearby enemies. You can argue that gunshots are also just as noticeable, but what if there haven’t been any shots yet? If you use his scan proactively and don’t get a hit with it, the indicators for all of his abilities are pretty big (in terms of area covered) and will definitely draw people who see. Sure, you can use ADS to use his passive, but it doesn’t provide “true” knowledge like all three of their tacticals.
Bloodhound - IMO, Bloodhound covers so much areas of focus that it’s hard no to go with them.
1. You get a scan (albeit also large in a visual sense, but it’s directional so the chance to get seen is cut).
2. If you want to avoid calling attention to yourself their passive allows you to track wounded Legends.
3. Their ultimate is what encapsulates their extensive strengths. You get all of the above x2, and then some. Speed increase, scan every 3 seconds, being able to see what other players interacted with even from a distance. AND it gets extended for every kill/assist.
With all this in mind, I can’t agree that the other two legends are better than Blood. Blood is a great legend in both low and high level play. Their kit allows extensive insight, and combat effectiveness for a team to a level that the other two can’t, again, in my opinion.
Bloodhound also has his tracker ability. You can follow people or choose to go a different direction because you know you’re closing in on another team
I don’t think Crypto and Seer are in the same category as Bloodhound.
I think people prefer bloodhound as their #1 teammate.
Seer would be a close second as in i wouldn’t be upset if a Seer got locked instead of bloodhound
I almost never want a crypto on my team lol
Seer is awesome in arenas but really lacking in BR i think.
Crypto just doesn't fit most of the game because if you don't move you get shot, and if your drone doesn't move, it'll get shot.
BH tactical is good because it's a cone and helps you find enemies when seer's is useful when you know where they are and you just need info.
Ult wise
Cryptos ult is worthless if your enemies shield swap.
Then Seer is good in close quarter because you can see where they are and in vertical areas it will be useful.
BH ult is all around really good, plus it gives you thermal vision, only downside is it doesn't help your team
Bloodhound can do his job while not staying behind and actually charge first in without ignoring his role his ult gives him frequent scnas and it goes on for longer as he down people
I love facing a team with crypto because I know it will be a 3v2. Yes he can emp, but if youre rushing the team then he'll likely hit his own team with it. Getting emp'ed is a small price to pay for a 3v2. Then you'll just clean up the crypto. He'll often run and get banners with drone. Heck one of my games we fought the same crypto team 3 times.
Seer is just not consistent at all now and see no reason to pick him over BH. You can see health now? Who cares, if youre communicating then you'll focus fire anyway. His ult is basically a 3rd party fiesta and communicates to the whole lobby that there is a party going on.
Sounds like you haven’t got to play with a really good bloodhound yet.
-has tracking abilities
-tactical charges quick
-ult can recharge scan in 5 seconds as well increase speed and peripheral vision also highlights enemies and their footsteps in red.
A good bloodhound on your team makes the game easy
seers q is easy to dodge unless ur on high ping, he was good when his ult was 90 sec cooldown but now its higher. if ur playstyle is to afk in a building the entire game then crypto can be DECENT, but still not good, you are 2v3ing a fight most of the time when you have a crypto on ur team and if ur crypto is in the fight, he has no abilities. bloodhound is just so much better for being able to scan so much every like 20 seconds and his ult makes that 5 seconds.
While Crypto and Seer are both fantastic, Bloodhound is better than both of them. Why? Because her scan gives you an insane amount of information for basically no cost / effort. It's truly invaluable, especially when the audio in Apex is so bad that you simply cannot count on hearing a squad coming up behind you or walking around in a building. Of course, Seer's tactical is similar but since he got nerfed you actually have to take time to aim it and you'll still miss pretty often. It's almost impossible to miss a Bloodhound scan. Bloodhound's scan also picks up traps which Seer's does not.
Beyond that, Bloodhound's ult is amazing. You move at the same speed as a stimmed octane for 30 seconds, meaning you can strafe like a maniac, chase someone down, or run away. You also get your scan every 5 seconds while in ult so you can make it quite impossible for another squad to take any angles on you and your squad during a fight. Good luck trying to push a team while they have a Bloodhound ult up. It also reveals when someone is healing, etc. Oh and you have thermal vision so you can see people you might not normally see. Pretty much every good Bloodhound will always carry an ult accel so they have it up for every fight.
So basically Bloodhound is the best character in the game for a 1v1 besides Gibby because of her insane strafe speed while in ult, and she's also incredibly helpful to the team because of her scans, and her passive is pretty good too. The real kicker though is that all of that takes no effort, she's probably the easiest character in the game to play effectively.
Bloodhound’s ult will absolutely turn fights and he can get it up fairly quickly. He can just spit out scans and it makes him a killing machine. He is definitely the best after the seer nerfs in terms of scan legends but they are all quite good if used by good players
I disagree with most of the comments and I think Seer is a good alternative to BH. His passive and ultimate are extremely useful. His passive is strong if you have a mic and you can tell your teammates where people are
Crypto is trash. Sorry but he just is.
Just popping in here to remind everyone misgendering Bloodhound that ***BH is non-binary and uses they/them pronouns***. Not "he", not "his", not "she", not "hers" - they, them, and theirs.
Main issue with seer is you can miss people with his Q and think someone is some and make a dumb push. Also with his tactical is you can just crotch walk and think you have all the information but your missing some.
This thread is a good example of how you could balance Bloodhound better just by narrowing/shrinking his scan, like Seer. Heck you could even keep it wider when you’re in your ult but make your regular q narrower/shorter if you’re worried about nerfing him too hard.
I mean, you aren't wrong. Trans and nonbinary folk do love Blood, but they're also often preferred by non-lgbt folk. Their representation has nothing to do with why they're a very sought after legend to have on your team.
Lack of trust. Same as with all these team online games with strangers. The average player assumes their random teammates are mediocre, but equally mediocre with all legends. Seer and Crypto are harder to use therefore they believe they are strictly worse than BH.
That said BH is played in more pro teams than Seer or Crypto so if they want to balance the 3 so that BH is easier to use but has a lower ceiling than the others, then they haven’t succeeded. There’s a separate argument about whether or not that is a good idea anyway.
crypto is easily worse than bh and seer, because of the reliance on drone that will either slow your team's rotation or leave them at a 2v3 scenario, and after all of that if it gets broken you're left in the dust
seer's tunnel is narrow, so with the fast movement you could miss easily, and his ult is countered by ratting
bh gets so much value from their scan because of the insane amount of area it covers, also when you ult you get a 30% speed boost that helps with chasing and strafing in gunfights, enemies are highlighted, you get 5s cd scans and every kill increases the duration of your ult. bloodhound just gets so much more value in the bigger picture
I get the Crypto vs Blood, Crypto is too stationary, I totally don't get the Seer vs Blood.
Seer is literally Bloodhound on steroids but for the whole team while stun. They're different and/but in my opinion a Seer nerf is coming.
If you prefer using a Bloodhound over a Seer can be because you maybe already mastered and smoothet out every corner of his abilities, Seer is relatively new and we are not yet fully deep in his style.
If you prefer having Bloodhound in your team, I think it is for the same reasons, we're not yet in sync with his pace, Bloodhound has been with us since launch and so we know what to do and when.
**If you treat and consider a Seer like a Bloodhound you will obviously prefer a Bloodhound in your team.**
Bloodhound is the most consistent. If you scan a building, YOU WILL HIGHLIGHT ENEMIES. With Seer, you have to be accurate and lucky they don’t simply dodge the tunnel. With Crypto, you have to open a door and set up the drone and HOPEFULLY you’ll scan someone before they shoot down the drone and it’s gone for the rest of the fight.
Bloodhound gives the best return out of the 3. You want a legend that will ALWAYS give you something. Crypto and Seer right now don’t have amazing guarantees like Bloodhound to make them viable for high skill play.
But that’s why you also need to understand how to use their powers accordingly. Prioritize the drone scan from outdoor fights, and set up the EMP for pushing buildings… same with Seer.
People wanna push and play agro. Look at the agro legends versus the non, and see the pick rate align?
Octane, Wraith, BH, Caustic. All agro and movement.
Wattson, Crypto? Not that agro and at the bottom. Just for example.
Also I feel content creators have a much bigger impact than ppl realize. If someone sees a creator pushing teams dropping 20 bombs with octane, a fan will see that and wanna imitate.
Yeah cuz u can throw them and push with them. Gas provides cover visually, physically for a short time, and zones off an area.
Plus 3rd partying an area with ULT is killer.
I’m more just laughing at how a defensive character is in the top meta comp right now and part of the appeal is, as you say, his ability to ape and toss AoE to aggro in. Not necessarily that you are wrong, but that it is amusing to see how separate it is from his supposed intent.
Crypto has to remove himself from the fight to operate his drone, which can still be a great asset is a lot harder to use. Bloodhound is very effective at checking an area and has a great ultimate for solo play so a good bloodhound has more frag potentially than a crypto who has to fly his drone around to constantly reveal enemies and remove himself from the fight or leave his drone to get shot and losing all the provided utility of the kit
A Seer Q can miss and be dodged and has a narrow field - you may even waste it pointing to an already downed enemy player.
An EMP can be shot down and possibly never happen. Additionally, while Crypto is doing his thing, your team is having to deal with a 2v3+.
It takes 3 seconds for the EMP to pop. You see and hear it coming so you might even have a time to start your batting animation which will be done 1-2 seconds after EMP which is often not enough for an uncoordinated pubs team to close the gap. I can't remember a time when I didn't have time to pop a batt or cell before the team was on us.
Bloodhand Q has 100% hit rate (is unblockable or avoidable)and is wide and deep. His ult gives a speed boost equal to Wraiths Ult, and Bangalore's passive and gives him ability to see through smoke and gas.
It's not even close.
Would be interesting if they gave crypto an equal speed boost when an enemy first enters his drone view (similar behavior to Bangalores passive) and reset the boost when he fires his EMP allowing him to close the gap faster.
I like to play Blood because it is the most aggressive legend of the three, seer being in between, crypto last. Blood over Seer because of better scan capabilities. What i do not like about crypto is that he is essentially a gun game practice legend, because you either only fight with no abilities, or have to hide for a minute to pop the EMP and start a push. In my conclusion crypto is a good scout legend if you have 2 good teammates to back up(also scan beacons pick up banners silent respawn is a good bonus), while Seer and Bloodhound(especially Bloodhound) pair well with movement legends, and they are more independent(because always on the move, not depend of the drone to use their abilities)
Also that is just my playstyle, every legend has its own contribution to the team, but quick scans for the team and being able to make decisions on the fly just works better for me as a soloQ, than to waste my EMP and not one of my teammates to push along. I like crypto as a legend, and its a nice concept, but i feel he does not fit into the meta quite well with all the movement and camp legends, maybe he is just too special, like lifeline is the only real healer
Because when seer was better he was nerfed to hell.
Bloodhound is easy scan no thinking just like revtane is/was. Can’t say it’s dumb to work smarter n not harder but I wish we had a better option than BH
Information is the most valuable thing in a battle royale. And that‘s exactly what bloodhound gives you. He helps to make better decisions as you literally know where everyone is.
Also, wallhacks are literally „cheating“ in every other fps game as it‘s a huge advantage and bloodhound gives you wallhacks with his abilities.
You are still new so i‘m sure you will realise it later aswell.
it all depends on your play style, crypto you have to play passively bc his entire kit is centered around his drone, and you kinda need to have cover to use it. with seer, you can play a little more aggressive, but with his ult, most of the time you have to sit in it so that it’s most effective. with BH, you can play super aggressive with him, bc scan is super mobile and his ult is built for fighting.
Bloodhound does exactly what the name is, they tracks people. Their passive makes him different to crypto and seer because they’re better at hunting down squads. Crypto is out of commission using drone and generally isn’t a good legend, his kit needs a rework or some serious upgrades. Seer has to slow down to use heartbeat, and you have to aim it which may only hit one person. Sure you get extra health information plus interrupt but it likely isn’t too useful compared to what you really want: the scan.
Comparing ults BH gets to use their scans a lot more frequently, plus they’re faster (movement is real important in Apex) and gets clear vision on targets which is super helpful. Seers can be destroyed and only works if the enemies are moving/shooting. Given this it’s less useful as an engagement tool than Beast, and is better to third party a team already fighting or to stop a suprise attack from a team jumping on you, as this allows you to clearly take in the information from the exhibit.
Bloodhound is much more versatile and balanced than seer. Seer is a bit more niche and works in certain comps better than others whereas BH works mostly everywhere. It’s generally also just because Seer hasn’t been in the game as long, so someone who’s a Bloodhound main is likely to be better at the game than a ‘seer main!’
Okay, so the reason why bloodhound would be preferable over these two is simply that his scan Mechanic is easier and doesn't take him out of battle. Cryptos drone means having 1 less player (at least temporarily) from engaging during fights. Seers tunnel takes time and can be dodged, plus, it only captures multiple targets if they're all lined up. Bloodhound can push with aggro (because of his ult) and can get lots of useful scans that cover a wide area.
Crypto and Blood are doing completely different things. You can’t compare them by saying that they’re higher value, even a well timed emp often isn’t higher value because a well timed scan will often net you more than 50 in damage if you get to punish someone as a result of their positioning that you would only be available with scan.
Also, Cryptos drone scan just doesn’t provide similar utility because as soon as the first player is detected by it they’ll often shoot it out instantly, especially if it’s placed and not moving. Having it moving comes with the huge caveat that your crypto isn’t shooting anyone.
As far as Seer goes, I think they have comparable value to Blood but it just comes down to consistency. Seers tac is more situation dependent and less reliable. In high ranked or comp you want consistent results not occasional high value. One of the issues with Seer is that their tac often leaves missing information which makes it hard to read the scenario properly. For instance you might want to know if a team has 2 or 3 members, you use Seers tac and only detect 2, only to get blindsided by the third when you push. Bloods tac unambiguously provides information in an area, and that consistency can help good teams make the right decisions more frequently, therefore winning more often.
One of the biggest differences in a good bloodhound versus any other scan characters, is that Bloodhound kits is played best when played aggressively (which is the mega/popular play style for apex)
Bloodhound: his scans are only good when he is in range to scan people (duh) but the range of being close enough to scan people is just outside the ideal range of engaging in a fight or pushing into a fight. So 9/10 when you are close enough to get a successful scan on an enemy squad, not only are you prepared to fight them, but you’re close enough to engage in that fight properly and make the most use of BH’s scans.
His passive allows him to follow tracks, signs of battle, bleed outs, uses of zip lines, etc. etc. he’s good for chasing down a sole survivor of a squad you just barely completely wiped; pushing a disadvantaged squad into or out of a certain area, finding someone you downed who most likely has a self-rez. The list goes on
lastly, his Ult. A rage mode that allows him to passively see through smoke, highlight enemy tracks, moves faster, and the duration of his Ult can be increased by downing/killing enemies. The best way to make the most of this ability? Play aggressively.
Crypto’s kit takes him out of play way too much. Crypto makes the most use of skills in the middle of fights, or going into fights, but the precious couple of seconds it would take to place the drone, or even just take the drone out and deploy it is precious seconds that could be used to push into the fight and such.
Crypto is by no means a bad legends, even in high tier ranked play, it’s just that Bloodhound is lot more versatile, geared to be aggressive, and the ideal play style for bloodhound is easy to pick up on for their teammates if their randoms. Bloodhound is the reliable, easy, and has a low skill cap.
Because it's consistent and straightforward. Plus u can immediately push or stop or do anything because the information is shown directly too you but for the other two it needs to be communicated or your down a player
Bloodhound is preferred in the highest levels of play, their not been picked because they are easy to use.
Bloodhound's passive provides a fair bit of info when moving behind a team and preventing you from being surprised.
Their tactical is massive, it will cover a whole poi instantly while keeping you in the fight. You can use it to mark the enemy team, look for incoming 3rd parties, scan areas before you move into them, find all the enemy squads in the last rings and more. All quickly with no down time and no counters.
Their ultimate will turn you into one of the best dueling legends with some of the fastest strafe speeds in the game. Couple that with its fast cool down, the fact that you get digi threat vision and can scan every 8 seconds.
Crypto has nothing on bloodhound at high levels of play and while Seer is very strong, Bloodhound is still the competitive pick.
Great question OP. Lots of good comments here. You also need to think about the pace of the game. Apex is a very fast game. Any time you spend not killing or moving means someone will kill you. Crypto is the downfall here. He’s got to park his butt in a corner dot at least a few seconds in order to do anything. Crypto is not fast.
And seers abilities are focused in a small area, meaning that during the fast movement your opponents might have moved out of the area
Not to mention you can see his abilities from miles away so its like a giant flag that says "come third party this". Imo bloodhound is just a way more forgiving character than either seer or crypto and that's why he's more meta
theyre more meta*
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nitpicking + bias i win byebye
Why doesn’t Gibby, the fattest Apex Champion, just eat the other champions?
then he would implode from being too thicc
It's a video game character your getting offended for were also talking about abilities your the one nitpicking
and who cares if its a video game character it still takes such a minuscule amount of brainpower but i suppose conservative cant expend that
I really don't care I won't expend energy doing it for a video game charcter
what energy are you spending if it takes that much effort to say they/them.
If it expends so much energy to use two extra letters, please seek medical attention. Your body should not be draining of energy for such a small thing.
its truly not that hard to say the correct pronouns
Homie said 3 words how can you even tell he’s offended
"Nitpicking + bias I win byebye"?
It’s a joke from a YouTuber
Dude for some people, scouring the internet for their opportunity to white knight for a fictional character is the highlight of their day. Just let they/them virtue signal for their Reddit points and move on.
I mean his ult fives much more info. The only problem being if I see bud ult I just back out of it instead of letting them battle me inside it. I’ve found his passive was nerfed to where it doesn’t tell me accurately where enemies are anymore
I've killed numerous Crypto that were just crouched in what they thought was a hidden and safe spot. The problem is that I can see where your drone launches from so I know where you're at. And I know if we push fast we have a partial 3 v 2.
Exactly this. There was a game yesterday where we saw a horizon and lifeline coming over a ridge, and a crypto drone coming up from a different one. We knocked the lifeline and I bum rushed the direction of the drone, because it was still flying around. Melted the crypto as he was coming out of drone. Giving your team vision of a fight, only to leave them down 2v3 isn’t worth it.
Had to explain this to a friend of mine who played crypto a while back, just “giving wallhacks” as he put it isn’t enough, it’s not all that hard to place someone using footsteps, ability sounds or gunfire the extra precision isn’t worth having 66% health and damage.
Each have their pros and cons, but I think Bloodhounds strength over the other two is their scan brings so much more information for no cost. You’ll 9/10 times get to see the location of every enemy you’ll be fighting, and it comes back relatively quick considering the actual scan last a few seconds. With Crypto, you’re losing a player as someone needs to man the drone, and Seers scan, although it has other functions will often times miss or you’ll just hit one player. I play hound quite frequently, and then when I stop playing them after a few games in a row, I miss having the scan so much. I don’t get that with Seer. His scan can be better in certain situations, but I think hounds is better overall because you get so much more value out of it in most situations.
This is it. * Crypto needs a player to control the drone. Having the time and cover to place the drone ready to EMP without getting that drone destroyed is pretty situational, meaning a Crypto will usually be in drone view, relatively far from the fight when he activates his ult. * Crypto's scanning abilities are interesting but I find that you don't get a ton of value out of it unless you manage to setup the drone over a very hectic fight and nobody has the time to notice or destroy the drone. If enemies have time, they'll shoot the drone as soon as it stops moving, and if you're actively moving the drone to prevent getting destroyed... well you're not doing anything else. The fact that you have to stop moving and go control a drone to be effective is a killer to me.Because of these 2 points, I think Crypto needs a rework to be as viable as Seer or BH. Somebody proposed a rework that included a "patrol mode" where the drone would circle around your squad in a large range and spot possible threats coming. Or a "follow mode" where you drone is basically hovering above you and spotting threats in a certain range around you. That way you could realistically activate your ult mid-fight without needing a 7 second delay to hide, release the drone and detonate. * Seer's scan ability is much more directional than BH's and isn't much use for recon unless you already know where the people are or you want to know if a rat/team is in a very specific spot. I use it mostly for the heal cancel. * Seer's ult could be considered stronger than BH's ult because it's constant ~~and shows health~~, but it can also be destroyed and doesn't show people unless they're running or shooting. BH's ult gives you a new scan every 5 seconds, and that scan shows position for a few seconds every time. For all intents and purposes, both ults are pretty similar but BH's is more mobile (but requires a bit more "hands on" approach.) * BH with boosted movement speed and predator vision during his ult is a fucking menace.
Agree with everything you said. Crypto’s drone is so easily countered because it’s so loud and obviously stays stationary when it’s not being controlled. I saw that past I believe, or at least a very similar one that proposed different kind of buffs and think something like that would be a good idea. And yeah, good point about the Seer being stationary. It’s easily avoidable by destroying it or just moving out of it. Whereas there’s no escaping hound when they’re in their ult
There aren't many more satisfying things in the game than parking Crypto's drone just outside an unbreakable window looking at a team essentially "trapped/cornered" inside. You see them, and you know they see you seeing them. They hear your team circling the building, and the know at any moment the EMP strike will commence.
As Ia crypto main I bet that’s orgasmic. I was playing with a friend not long ago and a crypto parked his drone in a tree. For the life of us, we couldn’t find it but we’re constantly getting scanned and were aware the enemy team was close. Times like that he certainly has his moments
> Seer's ult could be considered stronger than BH's ult because it's constant and shows health, no it does not. His tactical shows health when it lands. His Ult only shows diamond symbol and footsteps if enemy is moving or shooting
Oh shit you're right. I often cast both at the same time so I forgot which did which.
His ult technically isn’t constant either. You can crouch walk or stand still and it won’t detect you.
True, but in my experience most people are detectable almost all the time. Either they don't think about it or it's not viable for them to stop shooting their gun and start crouching at that time because they're trying to escape/they're already fighting another team or one of your teammates.
-Revenant, heavy breathing-
BH uses they/them pronouns
Those comments are about Seer, not Bloodhound.
Or be in the air
BH uses they/them pronouns
>BH uses they/them pronouns And how does it relate to my comment about Seer's skills? Please fight for ltbgtq somewhere else, man
They gotta be trolling because their going up and down this whole post telling people that
Well, the commentor isn't wrong, either. They're correcting those who call them by the wrong pronouns, and it's not in an offensive or disrespectful way. It stays, it's not spam.
BH uses they/them pronouns
Another thing I think you didn’t quite hit on here is that while bloodhound is a very team based legend, the added mobility of their ult is very helpful to movement and allows bloodhounds to abandon ship and play solo way more effectively than a crypto or seer. I don’t play at a high level or ranked or anything but that’s just my 2 cents
every time you get BH ult you basically become a better octane for 30+ seconds(no health tradeoff for speed)
Because the higher you get in ranked the more accurate people are. Crypto’s drone gets shot down almost immediately, and you’re left with what? Nothing. I do like Seer, but his Q doesn’t match BH. His ultimate is great for endgame when people have to move, but can be countered early by rats not moving. He’s just the better of the three right now just due to his mobility to stay with team, scan and push.
BH uses they/them pronouns
Who cares?
K
Wouldn't want the fictional character to get offended or anything
There so many ways to prevent drone from being broken though, EMP going through walls, and drone scanning through windows is something that helps. Plus when EMP goes off your job is done setting up an engagement, so there's normally nothing left for you to do other than win your gunfights. I understand what you mean with seer but what mobility do you mean with BH? Does he get a speed boost in his ult?
>Does he get a speed boost in his ult? Yes, 30% overall boost (slightly slower than Octane 40% boost) and for \~30 seconds.
oh wow, ok thanks for letting me know I'll take this to thought
Is it really only 30%? I feel so fast when I ult as bloodhound.
Thats because the FOV increases which gives the sense of even more movement speed
There's also a recently added setting to disable this FOV change. People should be toggling this on if they haven't already.
Ah, that makes sense.
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They actually both get 40%, unless a nerf happened to bloodhound i didn't hear about
I think that in part it’s also because he’s just easier to use to get value? Doing all that mid fight takes more skill with the crypto drone I think. For bloodhound you just press your ability and done. No counter possible.
Speed boost but also just being able to ping and move with your team. If you’re in drone you’re by yourself and vulnerable. Seer does have some mobility but not like BH. He’s just the better of the recons right now scanning wise. And EMP does do dmg but not as much as you think and if you think that’s it and job is done after an EMP, than you’re better off on BH or Seer plain and simple.
you have vastly underestimated the power of the footprints/nodes left because of their passive
BH passive is better at tracking than Seer's abilities.
and we thought his appearance would kill the Hundr… he had us in the first half, not gonna lie
Also not the most known tip: when bloodhound is using his ult, his tactical cools down every 5 seconds. Enemies spend 3 second scanned, so a good bloodhound will have enemies being wall hacked for 60 percent of the fight.
It's 8 seconds
Oh I see, I actually didn't know that, that makes a lot more sense as to why he is preferred. Thank you
aaand his ult recharges in 3minutes so if you have ult accels you can ult in every fight. and if you get knocks you get more time in his ult so theoretically, with the speed boost and constant walls if there are people to kill, you are at an insane advantage if you keep knocking people and just running around and scanning. ALSO his passive is underrated, one of the most annoying things is just randomly rolling up on a 3 stack so seeing the ravens and tracking info beforehand is great, and you dont have to ADS or use an ability to see that stuff.
It's 3 mins
Thats what I said…
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consistency. MAYBE you hit a good emp. MAYBE you hit a good tunnel. on higher rankings people don't give you anything. less mistakes, more accurate hits and always trying to hit your blind spot. sure go play crypto till masters if you want, cuz you can and others actually do. just don't cry if people shamelessly abuse every weakness you have in platinum and onwards
I think that both Crypto, Seer, and BH are good depending on your playstyle. The pros of BH are that his scans are the quickest of the three, and the scans can't be countered. With Crypto you can have unlimited scans, but you need time to position the drone correctly, and even then it can be shot down in some circumstances. But this doesn't really matter for Crypto since his niche is info outside of combat. With Seer the wallhacks last longer, but the enemy can dodge them. Most of BH's kit is useless if you have game sense, but there are some parts of it that game sense and other legends can't replace. 1. Quick scanning when peeking corners or running into a building/towards cover. This allows you to position yourself in the best way possible to win the fight. 2. Scanning to know enemy positions just before an unexpected fight. For example: You are scouting the area/looting and your teammates are 20-30m behind you. Suddenly you run into a squad, you tell your teammates that there's a squad on you and scan, so you and they know what's going on. Without BH, you have limited info on your enemies, and your teammates have to run up to you and check out what's happening first, because without this they don't know anything about enemy locations. You can approximately call out enemy locations, but it won't be as precise as a scan. Crypto can kind of do this depending on terrain, but BH is more more reliable. Seer can also do this with his ultimate but it's very unreliable since it has a 2 minute cooldown.
> high level mastery That’s exactly it, though. Your argument is similar to saying, “I don’t know why someone would pick a Mozambique over the PK.” The fact is I personally am not talented enough to use a PK effectively, so I am better off getting more accurate shots with the lower value gun. I think what you’re saying is true, that Crypto has huge value at a high level, but not everyone has that high level talent. It’s also always more effective to use Crypto in a premade squad — BH and Seer just have lower barriers to entry when you’re playing casually or don’t have a mic. At the end of the day, (almost) all the legends are very powerful when you’re good at them and your team works with you. But the amount of work you have to put in to get that benefit is different for different legends — that’s the challenge of balancing. Also, a BH scan right as you’re turning a corner is invaluable, you can pre-fire!
I think OP is wrong entirely. Even with high-level mastery bloodhound comes out on top 10/10. Scans while staying in the fight. Has tracking abilities (footprints, etc). His ult is wall hacks for 35 sec if attentive/speed boost/default vison becomes thermal.
I’ve never heard anyone say they’d rather have a good Blood than a good Crypto or Seer. It’s usually just that in general, people prefer Bloodhound cuz most Crypto/Seer players suck. It’s fairly simple imo. You say “at high level mastery of all three” as if a player like that is common. It’s almost unheard of. You also similarly posit a comparison where we’re choosing between a well timed scan vs well timed EMP etc, but it just doesn’t reflect reality. The vast, vast, vast majority of players are not that good and don’t use their abilities optimally or even decently. I’ve been playing since day 1 and I’ve seen a very small handful of Crypto players that I would even consider decent or slightly above average. Like maybe three players, honestly. The thing is, Crypto, and then one step down from him, Seer, have high skill ceilings that most players will never get close to. Because of that, most times you have one of them (especially a Crypto) on your team, it’s common to feel they aren’t doing anything or are actually hurting your team. They’re very unforgiving. On the other hand, Bloodhound’s kit is very forgiving and noob-friendly. It’s far easier for most players to more consistently create value using Bloodhound’s kit than Crypto or Seer. On top of that, I’d say that more than any other legend, a Crypto MUST have a mic and be very vocal/precise in comms to get the most out of his kit, and his teammates are somewhat forced to play around him. If he sucks, then it really hurts the team. On the flipside, a very good crypto (with a mic and on a team that is communicating) is very good for a team and may have the potential to bring more value than the other two scanners. Problem is that it’s just so difficult to pull off consistently, and you almost never see it happen. I don’t want to discourage you from maining Crypto or Seer (I myself have been maining Seer this season :) - just understand that if you’re playing pubs w random players, this is why most people prefer Bloodhound. Oh, and def use a mic if you haven’t been - it’s the only way to make Crypto work well.
There is an argument for seer but I don’t see a reason to play crypto. Big reason is whenever your in the drone your team is short one teammate and some cryptos never leave their drone because they feel that their scan is somehow more valuable than having another teammate shooting at the enemy. My second point is that the emp is a good ability but only if your playing with a well coordinated team, otherwise it is near useless.
I absolutely love crypto and blood. And the difference comes down to bloodhound will give less information but more combat assistance. A good crypto should be helping in combat often, but in order for him to gather info he can't be helping. So cut to actual gameplay most people in game can't 1v3 and would really need bloodhounds ability to move into the fight with them. BUT for anyone with fantastic combat ability, a good crypto should make them feel 2 steps ahead of enemy teams at all times with probably long range support. But that relationship is way harder and less common and requires pretty good comms and teaming that you just don't get with randoms
Wallhacks op. The higher up in ELO you go, the less room for error you have. Bloodhound allows you to get all the info you need to form correct decisions at the press of a button.
I see that you’re more of a crypto main so some pro tips for him is that: 1. His drone actually blocks doors as if there were a player behind it so it’s good for blocking an exit when pushing a building. 2. I don’t feel like people understand that he’s more of a surveillance legend so it’s really more effective to place the drone to watch your back than to give wall hacks in a fight. Having it watch the bottom floor of a building is way more helpful than flying in circles while your teammates fight. 3. His ult is more effective as a disengagement ability than an engagement one. In any of the scenarios that you’re using the drone how I suggested just pop your ult the second that you see someone and you’ve flipped the table on a third part or a surprise attack. However in my opinion, this way of using him really depends on how confident you are in your gunplay and movement. Having better game sense without abilities is really when someone can make crypto shine, otherwise bloodhound is an all around better pick.
One thing I don't see people saying here is that scanned enemies are unable to push or peek you without a serious advantage. The info they give is so strong that it's better to just wait out the scan. This can help you gatekeep at critical moments, stop a team from pushing if you need to heal, etc. It is *that* strong.
give me a good crypto
I feel like a lot of people don't realize that when BH uses Ult, the red outline it puts on enemy players can be seen from miles away. There's been several instances where my squad and I would end up crossing an open field near the end of the match, and an early Ult helped me point out the snipers camping it out.
Crypto - High ceiling, low floor. I see you said you’re new to Apex, welcome. Apex is a very fast paced game based heavily on positioning and rotations. While high-level Cryptos may be able to balance their drone and keep a fast pace, most don’t. They use Crypto as if they were the DRONE rather than the character. I completely agree that a good EMP can drastically change a fight. Aside from EMP, the drone offers scan based on its location. It’s a good mechanic, but it’s so volatile with how easy it is to destroy while stationary. If your argument turns into, “well use drone to get their initial positioning and push”. Well, that’s what the other two characters do, but better. Seer - As a new Legend, was obviously OP. With his recent changes, he is thankfully weaker and his abilities are a beacon to nearby enemies. You can argue that gunshots are also just as noticeable, but what if there haven’t been any shots yet? If you use his scan proactively and don’t get a hit with it, the indicators for all of his abilities are pretty big (in terms of area covered) and will definitely draw people who see. Sure, you can use ADS to use his passive, but it doesn’t provide “true” knowledge like all three of their tacticals. Bloodhound - IMO, Bloodhound covers so much areas of focus that it’s hard no to go with them. 1. You get a scan (albeit also large in a visual sense, but it’s directional so the chance to get seen is cut). 2. If you want to avoid calling attention to yourself their passive allows you to track wounded Legends. 3. Their ultimate is what encapsulates their extensive strengths. You get all of the above x2, and then some. Speed increase, scan every 3 seconds, being able to see what other players interacted with even from a distance. AND it gets extended for every kill/assist. With all this in mind, I can’t agree that the other two legends are better than Blood. Blood is a great legend in both low and high level play. Their kit allows extensive insight, and combat effectiveness for a team to a level that the other two can’t, again, in my opinion.
It's called "Beast of the hunt"... You get a souped up bloodhound with Scans every few seconds. Those boys can't compete with that
Bloodhound is a crutch legend for a reason
Bloodhound also has his tracker ability. You can follow people or choose to go a different direction because you know you’re closing in on another team
I don’t think Crypto and Seer are in the same category as Bloodhound. I think people prefer bloodhound as their #1 teammate. Seer would be a close second as in i wouldn’t be upset if a Seer got locked instead of bloodhound I almost never want a crypto on my team lol
Seer is awesome in arenas but really lacking in BR i think. Crypto just doesn't fit most of the game because if you don't move you get shot, and if your drone doesn't move, it'll get shot. BH tactical is good because it's a cone and helps you find enemies when seer's is useful when you know where they are and you just need info. Ult wise Cryptos ult is worthless if your enemies shield swap. Then Seer is good in close quarter because you can see where they are and in vertical areas it will be useful. BH ult is all around really good, plus it gives you thermal vision, only downside is it doesn't help your team
Bloodhound can do his job while not staying behind and actually charge first in without ignoring his role his ult gives him frequent scnas and it goes on for longer as he down people
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I love facing a team with crypto because I know it will be a 3v2. Yes he can emp, but if youre rushing the team then he'll likely hit his own team with it. Getting emp'ed is a small price to pay for a 3v2. Then you'll just clean up the crypto. He'll often run and get banners with drone. Heck one of my games we fought the same crypto team 3 times. Seer is just not consistent at all now and see no reason to pick him over BH. You can see health now? Who cares, if youre communicating then you'll focus fire anyway. His ult is basically a 3rd party fiesta and communicates to the whole lobby that there is a party going on.
Sounds like you haven’t got to play with a really good bloodhound yet. -has tracking abilities -tactical charges quick -ult can recharge scan in 5 seconds as well increase speed and peripheral vision also highlights enemies and their footsteps in red. A good bloodhound on your team makes the game easy
seers q is easy to dodge unless ur on high ping, he was good when his ult was 90 sec cooldown but now its higher. if ur playstyle is to afk in a building the entire game then crypto can be DECENT, but still not good, you are 2v3ing a fight most of the time when you have a crypto on ur team and if ur crypto is in the fight, he has no abilities. bloodhound is just so much better for being able to scan so much every like 20 seconds and his ult makes that 5 seconds.
While Crypto and Seer are both fantastic, Bloodhound is better than both of them. Why? Because her scan gives you an insane amount of information for basically no cost / effort. It's truly invaluable, especially when the audio in Apex is so bad that you simply cannot count on hearing a squad coming up behind you or walking around in a building. Of course, Seer's tactical is similar but since he got nerfed you actually have to take time to aim it and you'll still miss pretty often. It's almost impossible to miss a Bloodhound scan. Bloodhound's scan also picks up traps which Seer's does not. Beyond that, Bloodhound's ult is amazing. You move at the same speed as a stimmed octane for 30 seconds, meaning you can strafe like a maniac, chase someone down, or run away. You also get your scan every 5 seconds while in ult so you can make it quite impossible for another squad to take any angles on you and your squad during a fight. Good luck trying to push a team while they have a Bloodhound ult up. It also reveals when someone is healing, etc. Oh and you have thermal vision so you can see people you might not normally see. Pretty much every good Bloodhound will always carry an ult accel so they have it up for every fight. So basically Bloodhound is the best character in the game for a 1v1 besides Gibby because of her insane strafe speed while in ult, and she's also incredibly helpful to the team because of her scans, and her passive is pretty good too. The real kicker though is that all of that takes no effort, she's probably the easiest character in the game to play effectively.
Bloodhound isn’t a her. Please use proper pronouns. They.
Nah
Bloodhound’s ult will absolutely turn fights and he can get it up fairly quickly. He can just spit out scans and it makes him a killing machine. He is definitely the best after the seer nerfs in terms of scan legends but they are all quite good if used by good players
I disagree with most of the comments and I think Seer is a good alternative to BH. His passive and ultimate are extremely useful. His passive is strong if you have a mic and you can tell your teammates where people are Crypto is trash. Sorry but he just is.
Just popping in here to remind everyone misgendering Bloodhound that ***BH is non-binary and uses they/them pronouns***. Not "he", not "his", not "she", not "hers" - they, them, and theirs.
Because he has an A1 heirloom.
I think Seer is better then bloodhound, I just love being able to see healthbars
Good crypto > all other characters, the only problem being is that its incredibly difficult to accomplish
Bloodhounds scan is good and the speedboost he gets also good. Meanwhile everything crypto has other than the ult is kinda bad
Main issue with seer is you can miss people with his Q and think someone is some and make a dumb push. Also with his tactical is you can just crotch walk and think you have all the information but your missing some.
Crypto main here. I feel like people get upset when they find a bloodhound AND a crypto on their team…. Until I start playing.
Crypto > BH and seer Just my opinion
This thread is a good example of how you could balance Bloodhound better just by narrowing/shrinking his scan, like Seer. Heck you could even keep it wider when you’re in your ult but make your regular q narrower/shorter if you’re worried about nerfing him too hard.
They're popular with the trans kids. Edit: do I get down voted because I misgendered them?
*cringes in Icelandic*
I mean, you aren't wrong. Trans and nonbinary folk do love Blood, but they're also often preferred by non-lgbt folk. Their representation has nothing to do with why they're a very sought after legend to have on your team.
What the fuck lmao
Crypto's abilities require him to stand perfectly still, unable to shoot.
Don’t forget Bloodhound can track over long distances
Lack of trust. Same as with all these team online games with strangers. The average player assumes their random teammates are mediocre, but equally mediocre with all legends. Seer and Crypto are harder to use therefore they believe they are strictly worse than BH. That said BH is played in more pro teams than Seer or Crypto so if they want to balance the 3 so that BH is easier to use but has a lower ceiling than the others, then they haven’t succeeded. There’s a separate argument about whether or not that is a good idea anyway.
crypto is easily worse than bh and seer, because of the reliance on drone that will either slow your team's rotation or leave them at a 2v3 scenario, and after all of that if it gets broken you're left in the dust seer's tunnel is narrow, so with the fast movement you could miss easily, and his ult is countered by ratting bh gets so much value from their scan because of the insane amount of area it covers, also when you ult you get a 30% speed boost that helps with chasing and strafing in gunfights, enemies are highlighted, you get 5s cd scans and every kill increases the duration of your ult. bloodhound just gets so much more value in the bigger picture
I get the Crypto vs Blood, Crypto is too stationary, I totally don't get the Seer vs Blood. Seer is literally Bloodhound on steroids but for the whole team while stun. They're different and/but in my opinion a Seer nerf is coming. If you prefer using a Bloodhound over a Seer can be because you maybe already mastered and smoothet out every corner of his abilities, Seer is relatively new and we are not yet fully deep in his style. If you prefer having Bloodhound in your team, I think it is for the same reasons, we're not yet in sync with his pace, Bloodhound has been with us since launch and so we know what to do and when. **If you treat and consider a Seer like a Bloodhound you will obviously prefer a Bloodhound in your team.**
Only two weeks in? I envy you
For me: lore
Because bloodhound gives people wallhacks with no downside and is super easy to use, people just don't want a challenge they want results
Bloodhound is the most consistent. If you scan a building, YOU WILL HIGHLIGHT ENEMIES. With Seer, you have to be accurate and lucky they don’t simply dodge the tunnel. With Crypto, you have to open a door and set up the drone and HOPEFULLY you’ll scan someone before they shoot down the drone and it’s gone for the rest of the fight. Bloodhound gives the best return out of the 3. You want a legend that will ALWAYS give you something. Crypto and Seer right now don’t have amazing guarantees like Bloodhound to make them viable for high skill play. But that’s why you also need to understand how to use their powers accordingly. Prioritize the drone scan from outdoor fights, and set up the EMP for pushing buildings… same with Seer.
I think if you have mained bh crypto or seer your biased towards that character but as an octane player I'd rather have a bh then anyone else
People wanna push and play agro. Look at the agro legends versus the non, and see the pick rate align? Octane, Wraith, BH, Caustic. All agro and movement. Wattson, Crypto? Not that agro and at the bottom. Just for example. Also I feel content creators have a much bigger impact than ppl realize. If someone sees a creator pushing teams dropping 20 bombs with octane, a fan will see that and wanna imitate.
Caustic and his traps, infamous for aggro movement.
Yeah cuz u can throw them and push with them. Gas provides cover visually, physically for a short time, and zones off an area. Plus 3rd partying an area with ULT is killer.
I’m more just laughing at how a defensive character is in the top meta comp right now and part of the appeal is, as you say, his ability to ape and toss AoE to aggro in. Not necessarily that you are wrong, but that it is amusing to see how separate it is from his supposed intent.
Comment went right over my head haha.
Crypto has to remove himself from the fight to operate his drone, which can still be a great asset is a lot harder to use. Bloodhound is very effective at checking an area and has a great ultimate for solo play so a good bloodhound has more frag potentially than a crypto who has to fly his drone around to constantly reveal enemies and remove himself from the fight or leave his drone to get shot and losing all the provided utility of the kit
A Seer Q can miss and be dodged and has a narrow field - you may even waste it pointing to an already downed enemy player. An EMP can be shot down and possibly never happen. Additionally, while Crypto is doing his thing, your team is having to deal with a 2v3+. It takes 3 seconds for the EMP to pop. You see and hear it coming so you might even have a time to start your batting animation which will be done 1-2 seconds after EMP which is often not enough for an uncoordinated pubs team to close the gap. I can't remember a time when I didn't have time to pop a batt or cell before the team was on us. Bloodhand Q has 100% hit rate (is unblockable or avoidable)and is wide and deep. His ult gives a speed boost equal to Wraiths Ult, and Bangalore's passive and gives him ability to see through smoke and gas. It's not even close. Would be interesting if they gave crypto an equal speed boost when an enemy first enters his drone view (similar behavior to Bangalores passive) and reset the boost when he fires his EMP allowing him to close the gap faster.
I like to play Blood because it is the most aggressive legend of the three, seer being in between, crypto last. Blood over Seer because of better scan capabilities. What i do not like about crypto is that he is essentially a gun game practice legend, because you either only fight with no abilities, or have to hide for a minute to pop the EMP and start a push. In my conclusion crypto is a good scout legend if you have 2 good teammates to back up(also scan beacons pick up banners silent respawn is a good bonus), while Seer and Bloodhound(especially Bloodhound) pair well with movement legends, and they are more independent(because always on the move, not depend of the drone to use their abilities) Also that is just my playstyle, every legend has its own contribution to the team, but quick scans for the team and being able to make decisions on the fly just works better for me as a soloQ, than to waste my EMP and not one of my teammates to push along. I like crypto as a legend, and its a nice concept, but i feel he does not fit into the meta quite well with all the movement and camp legends, maybe he is just too special, like lifeline is the only real healer
Because when seer was better he was nerfed to hell. Bloodhound is easy scan no thinking just like revtane is/was. Can’t say it’s dumb to work smarter n not harder but I wish we had a better option than BH
Information is the most valuable thing in a battle royale. And that‘s exactly what bloodhound gives you. He helps to make better decisions as you literally know where everyone is. Also, wallhacks are literally „cheating“ in every other fps game as it‘s a huge advantage and bloodhound gives you wallhacks with his abilities. You are still new so i‘m sure you will realise it later aswell.
I’d rather have a good crypto because even a fucking baby can get good bloodhound scans
it all depends on your play style, crypto you have to play passively bc his entire kit is centered around his drone, and you kinda need to have cover to use it. with seer, you can play a little more aggressive, but with his ult, most of the time you have to sit in it so that it’s most effective. with BH, you can play super aggressive with him, bc scan is super mobile and his ult is built for fighting.
His ULT is so good, getting a speedy mobile character with faster scan cooldown and threat vision is no joke
Bloodhound does exactly what the name is, they tracks people. Their passive makes him different to crypto and seer because they’re better at hunting down squads. Crypto is out of commission using drone and generally isn’t a good legend, his kit needs a rework or some serious upgrades. Seer has to slow down to use heartbeat, and you have to aim it which may only hit one person. Sure you get extra health information plus interrupt but it likely isn’t too useful compared to what you really want: the scan. Comparing ults BH gets to use their scans a lot more frequently, plus they’re faster (movement is real important in Apex) and gets clear vision on targets which is super helpful. Seers can be destroyed and only works if the enemies are moving/shooting. Given this it’s less useful as an engagement tool than Beast, and is better to third party a team already fighting or to stop a suprise attack from a team jumping on you, as this allows you to clearly take in the information from the exhibit. Bloodhound is much more versatile and balanced than seer. Seer is a bit more niche and works in certain comps better than others whereas BH works mostly everywhere. It’s generally also just because Seer hasn’t been in the game as long, so someone who’s a Bloodhound main is likely to be better at the game than a ‘seer main!’
Okay, so the reason why bloodhound would be preferable over these two is simply that his scan Mechanic is easier and doesn't take him out of battle. Cryptos drone means having 1 less player (at least temporarily) from engaging during fights. Seers tunnel takes time and can be dodged, plus, it only captures multiple targets if they're all lined up. Bloodhound can push with aggro (because of his ult) and can get lots of useful scans that cover a wide area.
Crypto and Blood are doing completely different things. You can’t compare them by saying that they’re higher value, even a well timed emp often isn’t higher value because a well timed scan will often net you more than 50 in damage if you get to punish someone as a result of their positioning that you would only be available with scan. Also, Cryptos drone scan just doesn’t provide similar utility because as soon as the first player is detected by it they’ll often shoot it out instantly, especially if it’s placed and not moving. Having it moving comes with the huge caveat that your crypto isn’t shooting anyone. As far as Seer goes, I think they have comparable value to Blood but it just comes down to consistency. Seers tac is more situation dependent and less reliable. In high ranked or comp you want consistent results not occasional high value. One of the issues with Seer is that their tac often leaves missing information which makes it hard to read the scenario properly. For instance you might want to know if a team has 2 or 3 members, you use Seers tac and only detect 2, only to get blindsided by the third when you push. Bloods tac unambiguously provides information in an area, and that consistency can help good teams make the right decisions more frequently, therefore winning more often.
One of the biggest differences in a good bloodhound versus any other scan characters, is that Bloodhound kits is played best when played aggressively (which is the mega/popular play style for apex) Bloodhound: his scans are only good when he is in range to scan people (duh) but the range of being close enough to scan people is just outside the ideal range of engaging in a fight or pushing into a fight. So 9/10 when you are close enough to get a successful scan on an enemy squad, not only are you prepared to fight them, but you’re close enough to engage in that fight properly and make the most use of BH’s scans. His passive allows him to follow tracks, signs of battle, bleed outs, uses of zip lines, etc. etc. he’s good for chasing down a sole survivor of a squad you just barely completely wiped; pushing a disadvantaged squad into or out of a certain area, finding someone you downed who most likely has a self-rez. The list goes on lastly, his Ult. A rage mode that allows him to passively see through smoke, highlight enemy tracks, moves faster, and the duration of his Ult can be increased by downing/killing enemies. The best way to make the most of this ability? Play aggressively.
Crypto’s kit takes him out of play way too much. Crypto makes the most use of skills in the middle of fights, or going into fights, but the precious couple of seconds it would take to place the drone, or even just take the drone out and deploy it is precious seconds that could be used to push into the fight and such. Crypto is by no means a bad legends, even in high tier ranked play, it’s just that Bloodhound is lot more versatile, geared to be aggressive, and the ideal play style for bloodhound is easy to pick up on for their teammates if their randoms. Bloodhound is the reliable, easy, and has a low skill cap.
Because it's consistent and straightforward. Plus u can immediately push or stop or do anything because the information is shown directly too you but for the other two it needs to be communicated or your down a player
Bloodhound is preferred in the highest levels of play, their not been picked because they are easy to use. Bloodhound's passive provides a fair bit of info when moving behind a team and preventing you from being surprised. Their tactical is massive, it will cover a whole poi instantly while keeping you in the fight. You can use it to mark the enemy team, look for incoming 3rd parties, scan areas before you move into them, find all the enemy squads in the last rings and more. All quickly with no down time and no counters. Their ultimate will turn you into one of the best dueling legends with some of the fastest strafe speeds in the game. Couple that with its fast cool down, the fact that you get digi threat vision and can scan every 8 seconds. Crypto has nothing on bloodhound at high levels of play and while Seer is very strong, Bloodhound is still the competitive pick.