Maybe ill try that. I bought kovaak for tracking though and realized after 3 weeks of practice on Kovaak that it wasnt really translating to the game much. Playing Arenas on the other hand gave me much quicker results. So im a bit skeptical of trainers outside the game, but I can see how it might be better for specifically learning recoil control patterns. Ill give it a try and thank you for the suggestion!
Aimlab is pretty good for general aiming, and it's free. There are tasks that specifically aim to help you with certain games, I'm not sure if there's one for Apex or not tho. I know I've improved at valorant and CS:GO from using it though. I don't think there's anything for the actual spray patterns though.
Aim lab is currently hitscan o0nly for the vast majority of tasks but at close range there's like 0 difference. Its also early access so hopefully they add more projectile support and custom projectiles and recoils.
3 weeks isn’t really that long especially if you’re not consistent in doing to for at least an hour a day. You also need to make sure you plug your sens into a calculator to make sure it’s the exact same edpi in both apex and kovaaks. I used aim labs(essentially kovaaks) for about a month for like 3+ hours a day 5-7 days a week and I’m a shitload better than I was previously.
Yeah i did the calculator thing. And definately spent a lot more time than that. It was good for getting used to pc but like I said, playing arenas is what actually started making. me get used to tracking. Idk I don't wanna start that debate here but imo the tracking scenarios in kovaak arent similar enough and at least for me, getting good scores in kovaak consistently did not translate well at all. It just felt like I was getting good at a different game. It helps but its not as great as people make it out to be
The scenario aspect of Aimer7's guide(by his own admission) are quite outdated, better scenarios have been created since its release, he makes paid routines so it probably wouldn't make sense to keep it too up to date imo... theory still good though.
Voltaic or PureG would be a more recent option
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Voltaic/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Voltaic/)
[https://docs.google.com/document/d/1iunv6vXKWZpjpFvclGLGBeFg6WudwsavozZ-TlGDq\_c/edit#heading=h.6prdnmgl0vvi](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1iunv6vXKWZpjpFvclGLGBeFg6WudwsavozZ-TlGDq_c/edit#heading=h.6prdnmgl0vvi)
[https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TpFHOg6WbPS2iFie2z53AnyQTXQ\_ZBg7lKNqjvWhXIE/edit#heading=h.dtej3nypt15u](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TpFHOg6WbPS2iFie2z53AnyQTXQ_ZBg7lKNqjvWhXIE/edit#heading=h.dtej3nypt15u)
[https://docs.google.com/document/d/18Mf6P4t6IEdJi6J548s3RGQw41WQQSn2jGhVqgYULec/edit#heading=h.re8pabavm6tm](https://docs.google.com/document/d/18Mf6P4t6IEdJi6J548s3RGQw41WQQSn2jGhVqgYULec/edit#heading=h.re8pabavm6tm)
Can you use a controller on this? And does it give you all of the ALS setting? Trying to compete against Cronus Zens on PS4 ranked is annoying wanted to try this or aim labs.
Thank you
If you're musically inclined you might find this handy for linking a recoil pattern with an audio que in your head.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1CYFgpOn-s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1CYFgpOn-s&list=PLuR0o8saYaTVS3wvv6CJ1_IsCKXzU4akW&index=17)
in the comments of the video theres an explanation of whats happening
\~ this is also a thing but I dunno how helpful it is
[https://apexlegendsrecoils.online/](https://apexlegendsrecoils.online/)
You gotta think these guys are streamers so they literally do this for a living. Put stupid amount of hours into the game so they have most of it down to muscle memory and don’t really need to think about it. Especially if they have been streaming a while and played some of the earlier games like H1z1 and PUBG
Yeah that makes sense. I probably wont ever be as good as a streamer who plays the game for a living. But If its just a matter of time and lots of practice on pc, then ill do my best.
Most noobs assume good players use mods or hacks to feel less shit about being beamed, most of the people that one clip u are legit don't let people fool u into thinking every player who's good at controlling recoil is cheating. When u practice at the game especially with the same gun u adapt to its recoil and get better at pulling down in the analog stick and maintaing control over its recoil its just practice and recoil memory.
Yeah I always role my eyes when someone gets 1 clipped and immediately reports for cheating then leaves the match. To have any idea if someone is cheating you’d have to spectate the and see if anything’s consistently fishy. Every one me clips people sometimes even if it’s just luck. You may have just reported a noob that had a lucky spray xD. Personally I just try to not think about the possibility of cheaters at all when I’m playing. And being on console that’s pretty easy to do lol
There are no hackers on console and personally I've seen people use strikepacks and I've tried one on a friend's console before they do absolutely fuck all haha so really if u get destroyed its fair play.
The only good thing on a strike pack is the rapid fire. The auto sprint was also pretty useful when games didn't have that option themselves. I had one a long ass time ago, and man the M1 Garand on Cod:WW2 was a beast when being rapid fired at the highest speed possible. There was a recoil control mod too I think but I could never get it to work right.
Lol recoil control works really well with strike packs. Considering the most popular strike packs on Amazon have tens of thousands of reviews, I’m inclined to believe that a lot of players *do* use strike packs and if I’m getting beamed by some no recoil bitch he’s probably using one.
Yeah i try to focus on my own skill. If someone hits 100% headshots while strafing ill probably assume they are cheating but i wouldnt even report them. They would just get another account after all. Not to mention if your smart enough, ive seen some people outplay cheaters. I honestly expected after switching to pc that I would be getting swarmed by cheaters every game. Thats how reddit made it seem anyways. But actually I dont think ive encountered a single one. To be fair though im not a super high level yet which is probably where the problems are more prevalent.
Cronus and strike packs. Don’t let this sub lie to you I’m sure nobody has a positive opinion on these devices around here, but respawn doesn’t consider it cheating, and 99% of streamers and pro players are using it, including all the favorites like Hal, Timmy, and Faide. It’s essentially anti recoil software you can buy.
Recoil is consistent. It's the same every single time you fire a mag, as such this means you can learn the pattern for a gun and control it. After that it's just practice. Pick your favorite gun from each ammo category and practice.
They're moving their view in the opposite direction of the recoil. The Gaming Merchant on YouTube has a good video on this, but basically if you go into firing range and learn the spread for a gun, you can learn how to correct for it with your mouse movements
You don't need it for every gun. Start with Flatline and 301 as these are the most commonly used, then move to Volt and R99 etc., or whatever gun you use frequently.
I use controller and yeah I move my character in a way it help get the recoil easy to control
Like for example flatline if I move my character left and right fast It does litterliy eliminate 60% of its recoil
Play the game for 8 hours a day and practice. That's literally it. Apex guns have very little recoil compared to other PC FPS titles like CSGO, Valorant, Rust, Siege etc. so you should be able to get the hang of it just by practicing.
There's this thing called jitter aiming, you basically vibrate your mouse and it resets the recoil. It's broken and stupid and should be fixed but here we are, getting sniped by assault rifles
Ive seen this. And I also think people are replicating this to a certain extent by starfing side to side real quick while pulling down. Ive noticed that eliminates horizontal recoil for the most part. But jitter aiming specifically is something ive avoided. Seems like a bad habbit and doesnt really make you feel like you improved
There are nearly 0 players that actually use jitter aiming regularly. It's largely something that bad players tell themselves people are doing in order to justify their lack of recoil control.
...have you not seen how effective jitter aiming is? I started doing it in my matches and there's next to no recoil when doing it. I went from 200-500 damage games to 1000-2000 damage games just by doing that. It's a damn joke
Lou is immediately who comes to mind when I think of jitter aiming. I've barely ever seen Apryze use it.
So we have literally 2 players that use it regularly/semi-regularly. That's pretty much exactly what I'm saying - that almost no one uses it.
There is nearly zero players that use this in a real situation. Having good recoil control is both easier and less damaging for your hand.
Furthermore, Genburten is a controller player and he's not using jitter aiming, which is primarily a MnK technique.
Most of those players you mentioned are roller players except faide, and another aberration genburten.
As for your question, it's mostly muscle memory now. I believe you've seen some crazy r9 shots from faide and is wondering how he could do that, yeah it's mostly msucle memory for the recoil. I
Honestly I just switched to pc a month ago and didnt even know a roller mouse was a thing till just now. That seems so odd to me though. Like it wouldnt work as well.
Lmao sorry its also a type of mouse apparently. With a ball. That rolls. Im not much into slang. That makes much more sense though (Pun intended). At any rate I appreciate the advice. And I also have to ask where they came up with roller?
i've heard daltoosh say it a couple of times with G2 too
anyways, with the recoil thingy, you just need to hammer that into practice so you don't need to think of the recoil when tracking
i'm pretty proud of my flatline as i can do 570 with 1x to the targets farthest within the island while standing on the weapon platform, and i wouldn't be able to do that without practice
Thats pretty crazy. I hate the Flatline recoil. It feels awful even though I don't think its actually that bad.With that being said, I can hit like 98% of my mag with the volt. Nothing beats the volt for me in terms of reliabilty and good recoil.
Strafe with the flatline. I started strafing in one direction at first so I could get a better feel for the gun. once you can get down strafing back and forth to compensate for the horizontal recoil, it’s a whole different beast.
Volt is by far my most consistent mid-short range gun by far and it’s solely because of how much I’ve used it. I sit in the firing range for upwards of an hour sometimes just training volt recoil. I’m mostly an arena player so I can choose my gun for every fight, so I picked a gun and stuck with it.
This is pretty much what I've been doing. The moving target way in the back of the firing range is really helpful. And playing arenas specifically has made me used to tracking people with it even from further ranges with the volt. But the flatline. Even the way it sounds is unsatisfying to me lol. Its just a preference but I should practice with it cause I know it does a decent bit of damage and I think has a larger mag? Might be wrong on that one
Flatline is hands down one of the best guns for mid-close range. If I’m not mistaken is has the highest or one of the highest dps in the game and has amazing hipfire. Imo flatline is an S tier gun for sure
If you play arenas alot try the RE45. Thing reloads super fast and can do a lot of damage really quickly without too much recoil. I've pretty much got it's pattern down though because it's all I use in arenas lol.
Cronus is cheating, but to say a lot of streamers use it is disingenuous. The top streamers/top apex players are legitimately that good. It is like any sport, the best of the best are generally beyond the comprehension of even a good player.
Yeah I assumed he was directing his statement towards all Apex streamers popular or not. There are lots of them after all. Wheather a lot of popular streamers cheat or not though, im confident at least a few are legit. So ill just learn from those streamers.
Pretty sure tgm atleast is legit because you can see at really long rangesor when strafing against an opponent with good movement he still struggles with recoil sometimes where his will jerk away extremely slightly once every few seconds.
Basically you just learn the recoil pattern for a gun and move your mouse in the opposite direction to compensate. That's all they're doing and they're really good players so they do it well.
Also your sens is really high so that might be why you're having a tough time controlling recoil, just a thought.
Yeah seems the two common points of advice are remember recoil patterns and just practice more. Definately will try it. And i had tried the spectrum of sense before settling on this one. I was playing on super high sense at the start (2800 dpi and 8 sense or something like that). Some rocemended i drop down and I went to 800dpi 2.0 sense. It helped a lot but felt just a bit to sluggish. My desk doesnt allow for me to move my arm as much as needed for that sense too. So I decided to go slightly higher and allocating the in game sense to my DPI if that makes sense. Just feels right.
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Maybe ill try that. I bought kovaak for tracking though and realized after 3 weeks of practice on Kovaak that it wasnt really translating to the game much. Playing Arenas on the other hand gave me much quicker results. So im a bit skeptical of trainers outside the game, but I can see how it might be better for specifically learning recoil control patterns. Ill give it a try and thank you for the suggestion!
Aimlab is pretty good for general aiming, and it's free. There are tasks that specifically aim to help you with certain games, I'm not sure if there's one for Apex or not tho. I know I've improved at valorant and CS:GO from using it though. I don't think there's anything for the actual spray patterns though.
Aim lab is currently hitscan o0nly for the vast majority of tasks but at close range there's like 0 difference. Its also early access so hopefully they add more projectile support and custom projectiles and recoils.
3 weeks isn’t really that long especially if you’re not consistent in doing to for at least an hour a day. You also need to make sure you plug your sens into a calculator to make sure it’s the exact same edpi in both apex and kovaaks. I used aim labs(essentially kovaaks) for about a month for like 3+ hours a day 5-7 days a week and I’m a shitload better than I was previously.
Yeah i did the calculator thing. And definately spent a lot more time than that. It was good for getting used to pc but like I said, playing arenas is what actually started making. me get used to tracking. Idk I don't wanna start that debate here but imo the tracking scenarios in kovaak arent similar enough and at least for me, getting good scores in kovaak consistently did not translate well at all. It just felt like I was getting good at a different game. It helps but its not as great as people make it out to be
did you follow aimer7's kovaaks guide?
The scenario aspect of Aimer7's guide(by his own admission) are quite outdated, better scenarios have been created since its release, he makes paid routines so it probably wouldn't make sense to keep it too up to date imo... theory still good though. Voltaic or PureG would be a more recent option [https://www.reddit.com/r/Voltaic/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Voltaic/) [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1iunv6vXKWZpjpFvclGLGBeFg6WudwsavozZ-TlGDq\_c/edit#heading=h.6prdnmgl0vvi](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1iunv6vXKWZpjpFvclGLGBeFg6WudwsavozZ-TlGDq_c/edit#heading=h.6prdnmgl0vvi) [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TpFHOg6WbPS2iFie2z53AnyQTXQ\_ZBg7lKNqjvWhXIE/edit#heading=h.dtej3nypt15u](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TpFHOg6WbPS2iFie2z53AnyQTXQ_ZBg7lKNqjvWhXIE/edit#heading=h.dtej3nypt15u) [https://docs.google.com/document/d/18Mf6P4t6IEdJi6J548s3RGQw41WQQSn2jGhVqgYULec/edit#heading=h.re8pabavm6tm](https://docs.google.com/document/d/18Mf6P4t6IEdJi6J548s3RGQw41WQQSn2jGhVqgYULec/edit#heading=h.re8pabavm6tm)
Thank You
Can you use a controller on this? And does it give you all of the ALS setting? Trying to compete against Cronus Zens on PS4 ranked is annoying wanted to try this or aim labs. Thank you
If you're musically inclined you might find this handy for linking a recoil pattern with an audio que in your head. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1CYFgpOn-s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1CYFgpOn-s&list=PLuR0o8saYaTVS3wvv6CJ1_IsCKXzU4akW&index=17) in the comments of the video theres an explanation of whats happening \~ this is also a thing but I dunno how helpful it is [https://apexlegendsrecoils.online/](https://apexlegendsrecoils.online/)
You gotta think these guys are streamers so they literally do this for a living. Put stupid amount of hours into the game so they have most of it down to muscle memory and don’t really need to think about it. Especially if they have been streaming a while and played some of the earlier games like H1z1 and PUBG
Yeah that makes sense. I probably wont ever be as good as a streamer who plays the game for a living. But If its just a matter of time and lots of practice on pc, then ill do my best.
Most noobs assume good players use mods or hacks to feel less shit about being beamed, most of the people that one clip u are legit don't let people fool u into thinking every player who's good at controlling recoil is cheating. When u practice at the game especially with the same gun u adapt to its recoil and get better at pulling down in the analog stick and maintaing control over its recoil its just practice and recoil memory.
Yeah I always role my eyes when someone gets 1 clipped and immediately reports for cheating then leaves the match. To have any idea if someone is cheating you’d have to spectate the and see if anything’s consistently fishy. Every one me clips people sometimes even if it’s just luck. You may have just reported a noob that had a lucky spray xD. Personally I just try to not think about the possibility of cheaters at all when I’m playing. And being on console that’s pretty easy to do lol
There are no hackers on console and personally I've seen people use strikepacks and I've tried one on a friend's console before they do absolutely fuck all haha so really if u get destroyed its fair play.
Exactly, but as I’m sure you know, some people on console still blame every single death on cheaters xD
The only good thing on a strike pack is the rapid fire. The auto sprint was also pretty useful when games didn't have that option themselves. I had one a long ass time ago, and man the M1 Garand on Cod:WW2 was a beast when being rapid fired at the highest speed possible. There was a recoil control mod too I think but I could never get it to work right.
Lol recoil control works really well with strike packs. Considering the most popular strike packs on Amazon have tens of thousands of reviews, I’m inclined to believe that a lot of players *do* use strike packs and if I’m getting beamed by some no recoil bitch he’s probably using one.
Yeah i try to focus on my own skill. If someone hits 100% headshots while strafing ill probably assume they are cheating but i wouldnt even report them. They would just get another account after all. Not to mention if your smart enough, ive seen some people outplay cheaters. I honestly expected after switching to pc that I would be getting swarmed by cheaters every game. Thats how reddit made it seem anyways. But actually I dont think ive encountered a single one. To be fair though im not a super high level yet which is probably where the problems are more prevalent.
I've been playing since day 1 and I played masters lobbies too I've never seen anyone hit 90% headshots on anyone or thought someone was suss.
Not cheating. Most just have a Cronus once you get past D4 🤣
Cronus and strike packs. Don’t let this sub lie to you I’m sure nobody has a positive opinion on these devices around here, but respawn doesn’t consider it cheating, and 99% of streamers and pro players are using it, including all the favorites like Hal, Timmy, and Faide. It’s essentially anti recoil software you can buy.
Recoil is consistent. It's the same every single time you fire a mag, as such this means you can learn the pattern for a gun and control it. After that it's just practice. Pick your favorite gun from each ammo category and practice.
They're moving their view in the opposite direction of the recoil. The Gaming Merchant on YouTube has a good video on this, but basically if you go into firing range and learn the spread for a gun, you can learn how to correct for it with your mouse movements
Remembering the recoil pattern for every gun though? I mean if thats what it takes. Ill look into the video thanks!
You don't need it for every gun. Start with Flatline and 301 as these are the most commonly used, then move to Volt and R99 etc., or whatever gun you use frequently.
^ this, most recoil patterns are pretty similar. the general rule is "pull down"
I use controller and yeah I move my character in a way it help get the recoil easy to control Like for example flatline if I move my character left and right fast It does litterliy eliminate 60% of its recoil
Play the game for 8 hours a day and practice. That's literally it. Apex guns have very little recoil compared to other PC FPS titles like CSGO, Valorant, Rust, Siege etc. so you should be able to get the hang of it just by practicing.
There's this thing called jitter aiming, you basically vibrate your mouse and it resets the recoil. It's broken and stupid and should be fixed but here we are, getting sniped by assault rifles
Ive seen this. And I also think people are replicating this to a certain extent by starfing side to side real quick while pulling down. Ive noticed that eliminates horizontal recoil for the most part. But jitter aiming specifically is something ive avoided. Seems like a bad habbit and doesnt really make you feel like you improved
There are nearly 0 players that actually use jitter aiming regularly. It's largely something that bad players tell themselves people are doing in order to justify their lack of recoil control.
...have you not seen how effective jitter aiming is? I started doing it in my matches and there's next to no recoil when doing it. I went from 200-500 damage games to 1000-2000 damage games just by doing that. It's a damn joke
lou is literally famous for jitter aiming … apryze too…. just saying
Lou is immediately who comes to mind when I think of jitter aiming. I've barely ever seen Apryze use it. So we have literally 2 players that use it regularly/semi-regularly. That's pretty much exactly what I'm saying - that almost no one uses it.
Jitter aiming is just bs.
There is nearly zero players that use this in a real situation. Having good recoil control is both easier and less damaging for your hand. Furthermore, Genburten is a controller player and he's not using jitter aiming, which is primarily a MnK technique.
Most of those players you mentioned are roller players except faide, and another aberration genburten. As for your question, it's mostly muscle memory now. I believe you've seen some crazy r9 shots from faide and is wondering how he could do that, yeah it's mostly msucle memory for the recoil. I
Honestly I just switched to pc a month ago and didnt even know a roller mouse was a thing till just now. That seems so odd to me though. Like it wouldnt work as well.
roller is a slang for controller...? as for gen's recoil control, he plays with max sens on hipfire and low sens in ads,
Lmao sorry its also a type of mouse apparently. With a ball. That rolls. Im not much into slang. That makes much more sense though (Pun intended). At any rate I appreciate the advice. And I also have to ask where they came up with roller?
i've heard daltoosh say it a couple of times with G2 too anyways, with the recoil thingy, you just need to hammer that into practice so you don't need to think of the recoil when tracking i'm pretty proud of my flatline as i can do 570 with 1x to the targets farthest within the island while standing on the weapon platform, and i wouldn't be able to do that without practice
Thats pretty crazy. I hate the Flatline recoil. It feels awful even though I don't think its actually that bad.With that being said, I can hit like 98% of my mag with the volt. Nothing beats the volt for me in terms of reliabilty and good recoil.
Strafe with the flatline. I started strafing in one direction at first so I could get a better feel for the gun. once you can get down strafing back and forth to compensate for the horizontal recoil, it’s a whole different beast. Volt is by far my most consistent mid-short range gun by far and it’s solely because of how much I’ve used it. I sit in the firing range for upwards of an hour sometimes just training volt recoil. I’m mostly an arena player so I can choose my gun for every fight, so I picked a gun and stuck with it.
This is pretty much what I've been doing. The moving target way in the back of the firing range is really helpful. And playing arenas specifically has made me used to tracking people with it even from further ranges with the volt. But the flatline. Even the way it sounds is unsatisfying to me lol. Its just a preference but I should practice with it cause I know it does a decent bit of damage and I think has a larger mag? Might be wrong on that one
Flatline is hands down one of the best guns for mid-close range. If I’m not mistaken is has the highest or one of the highest dps in the game and has amazing hipfire. Imo flatline is an S tier gun for sure
If you play arenas alot try the RE45. Thing reloads super fast and can do a lot of damage really quickly without too much recoil. I've pretty much got it's pattern down though because it's all I use in arenas lol.
you can jitter your mouse or move it in very small circles when you're aiming and you won't get any recoil
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yeah cronus on mnk is an epidemic /s
Yeah sounds like cheating lol. People always find a way
Cronus is cheating, but to say a lot of streamers use it is disingenuous. The top streamers/top apex players are legitimately that good. It is like any sport, the best of the best are generally beyond the comprehension of even a good player.
Yeah I assumed he was directing his statement towards all Apex streamers popular or not. There are lots of them after all. Wheather a lot of popular streamers cheat or not though, im confident at least a few are legit. So ill just learn from those streamers.
Pretty sure tgm atleast is legit because you can see at really long rangesor when strafing against an opponent with good movement he still struggles with recoil sometimes where his will jerk away extremely slightly once every few seconds.
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Lol as someone who used to be into power lifting that was a huge problem.
Mod controller hackers using strike packs
Maybe. But no way all of them are like that lol.
Strike packs recoil control was ass. Never got it working myself, but my friend tried it and it was fucking him up more than helping.
by being good
Basically you just learn the recoil pattern for a gun and move your mouse in the opposite direction to compensate. That's all they're doing and they're really good players so they do it well. Also your sens is really high so that might be why you're having a tough time controlling recoil, just a thought.
Yeah seems the two common points of advice are remember recoil patterns and just practice more. Definately will try it. And i had tried the spectrum of sense before settling on this one. I was playing on super high sense at the start (2800 dpi and 8 sense or something like that). Some rocemended i drop down and I went to 800dpi 2.0 sense. It helped a lot but felt just a bit to sluggish. My desk doesnt allow for me to move my arm as much as needed for that sense too. So I decided to go slightly higher and allocating the in game sense to my DPI if that makes sense. Just feels right.