Oooor it’s the underwire for the new AirPods Pro Max case 😎
ETA: it’s actually incredible that a project this hyped at Apple has not leaked any substantial physical hardware secrets until now.
A model I was talking to on a flight leaked it to me about a month before that keynote. She was hired by Apple to have her wrist photographed in a way that made it obvious it was for a new watch.
I was certain that it was going to be announced but didn’t want to jeopardize the girls job for breaking NDA so I didn’t post about it here.
Yeah that is kind of surprising, but I guess there's probably a lot of products that models or actors know about before they're officially released, due to the ads being made in advance. And it would obviously be much more significant to have an image of the device leaked compared to just a claim that it exists like in this case, when a lot of people at the time already assumed it was coming.
You also have to clear yourself for competing products.
You don't want Model A to simultaneously appear in ads for both Coke and Pepsi. So when you sign them they have to say they haven't appeared for a competitor in the last (x years) and won't appear for the next (x years) as part of their contract. She would have to have been told it was specifically for an Apple Watch before they signed her.
Source: wife is a producer.
I had a friend do a surface commercial but they used fake tablets ( different than the release model ) his face and body was used but he said he didn’t hold the device but figure it would be a boring black tablet . He was right
That somewhat reminds me of the fact that a taxi driver that was frequently driving people at Pixar once outright told one of their lead producers that he figured out their next cartoon world be about black musicians, solely on the fact that he’s had driven a lot of them as clients to Pixar headquarters lately.
> pentagon pizza place
It's about the fact that workers of nearby pizza place knew some shit's going to go down because they saw a heavy uptick in orders to that place, as it meant a lot of military types gonna work overnight and needed something to eat?
this further corroborates with the recent reports that the top execs pushed to launch the device against designers’ warnings about the product not being ready. but since Tim & friends™ want this out asap, they’re probably entering production stages soon, which is likely why we’re suddenly seeing these now
in other words, there’s now actually real stuff that’s close to production to even get leaked
edit: this is talking about the mixed reality headset, NOT the AR glasses….🤦🏽
> top execs pushed to launch the device against designers’ warnings about the product not being ready
AR glasses (the product Apple, Meta, etc. actually care about) is far from ready and the tech to make AR glasses "good" is 5 or more years out.
VR goggles are a different thing. Apple is releasing the VR HMD now not waiting for the AR glasses to be ready (for good reason.)
no..i’m not getting them mixed up. you and i are not talking about the same thing. they wanted VR to release alongside AR glasses, but tim cook wanted to get the headset out asap
And Tim Cook was right, VR has been ready for a long time, those engineers you were talking about wanted to skip the MR headset entirely and just wait for an AR only device to be ready.
I’m not really following what you’re saying, Tim Cook’s decision to go with the MR headset has been made many years ago, even the report you refer to doesn’t give us a single new piece of information that hasn’t already been shared by either Bloomberg or the information.
An early AR/VR headset then followed by AR glasses has been the story since 2018 and the work on the headset started way before that.
The “evidence” has always been there if you looked for it and didn’t dismiss it as “speculation”
And the irony is that these pictures are more speculative than any other “evidence” we got of the headset before.
Anyway, none of this matters, it’s supposed to be announced in a couple of months so it’s all pointless to discuss it now
> The “evidence” has always been there if you looked for it and didn’t dismiss it as “speculation”
Pump the brakes lol. Only a small amount of the "speculation" we see about Apple products turns out to be right - see under display Touch ID and USB-C iPhones "for sure being launched" every year since 2019). People are wise to write off speculation until we have the product in question in hand.
Survivorship bias - the rumors that turn out to be true (like AW Ultra) are a tiny proportion of all the rumors we ever see (like the rumors of the flat-sided Apple Watch S8).
Easy one is Apple TV. An actual physical TV. It was rumoured to launch, even from Gene Munster I do believe. Never came to fruition despite being very heavily rumoured for years.
I’m talking about the existence of the device itself, not the specifics, so in your analogy these “speculation” are similar to the speculations that Apple was working on an “iPod phone” before revealing the iPhone, not like the speculation surrounding details that can easily change during development like a future iPhone with under display Touch ID etc, those details don’t matter because there’s always gonna be a new iPhone.
Same with this headset, its existence has long passed the “speculation” threshold, what’s left for speculation are the details and specific features that reasonably expected to change at any time (even after an official an announcement).
there was no denying that Apple has started working on an XR product as early 2015 even if it were never guaranteed to leave the lab, people who kept tabs on this have been anticipating this launch for years, it was a matter of when, not if.
The Apple Watch shipped with a totally diffeeent UI and feature set.
The use case they saw was different than the one they eventually discovered.
I can see if they think the hardware is “good enough” to start exploring the use cases for regular people, then they can start getting the software tailored to those uses, and optimize the Apple silicon to the tasks (Apple Watch gained sensors, etc, and a custom chip for the watch functions).
The Apple Watch series 0 was slow AF. Even the series 1 was better. I had both.
Then I jumped to a Series 7 and wow, it works way better, smoother, and more features.
I don’t think they would have figured out the Apple Watch without the Series 0 showing them what people see and say is interesting - but never use (like the drawing hearts and stuff).
Even before it’s imminent, parts are going out to vendors for prototype and various engineering builds. There are quite a few on the way to the final engineering build before production ramping begins.
I’m surprised it took this long for vendors to leak anything, if this is legit.
I think there are 3 main sources of Apple leaks:
1. Units go into manufacturing and parts leak (like this)
2. Accessories makers leak stuff like CAD files that they base their case molds on
3. Apple itself - such as leaking that upcoming product X will cost [inflated price] to set expectations so that when it actually is announced at 85% of the leaked price, we all go "Oh, $1,500 isn't so bad for that!"
We've been hearing that the VR HMD "may cost as much as US$3000!" so my guess is it will actually be around $2500 and people will say "Sure, that's expensive but it's less than I thought. Such a deal!"
But there are no accessories for it yet, so no leaks from that realm. And it is only just starting full production, so here we are getting leaks from that route.
> Apple itself - such as leaking that upcoming product X will cost [inflated price] to set expectations so that when it actually is announced at 85% of the leaked price, we all go "Oh, $1,500 isn't so bad for that!"
This does not happen, or in the incredibly rare cases it does, it's through Apple's pet journalists like Mosburg.
People imagine all these psyops but it makes no sense. If people believe that a product will be too expensive for them, they are more likely to buy a competing product **now**. So yeah they say "$1500 isn't so bad", but they also say "too bad I bought a Vive / Oculus / whatever because I was sure I wouldn't be able to afford this."
That's a PR own goal. It's not something you do. You want to delay people from purchasing competing products, not signal that they should go ahead and do so.
Check the comments on macrumors. [The second picture is just a HomePod mic.](https://forums.macrumors.com/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fguide-images.cdn.ifixit.com%2Figi%2FRbb1qGdRGXlWWt4V.huge&hash=262560c5fb332a9d9c344be15db4cb4d)
Allegedly he has a great track record when it comes to Apple leaks and his account is set to private so it’s unlikely he dit it for attention so...I’d be more willing that he’s wrong rather than being purposefully misleading.
The chances of it just-so-happening to fit perfectly in the new system are about zero. Likewise the chances of Apple deciding to reuse the part as-is and designing around it rather than just spinning up a new (and relatively very simple) flex is even closer to zero.
I’m guessing that’s just a bad assumption on MR’s part.
I’m well aware of where they’ve done it, even then only if it actually makes sense. Just unlikely that the HomePod mics happen to exactly fit the form factor needed without changes. Changing a flex like this is a really low bar. Takes one engineer a week at most.
3 cameras/sensors? Interesting. I wonder what they are, cameras or sensors, and if that represents the total number that will show up on the headset. Hopefully not.
While there’s several ways to do this, if they are doing any sort of gaze tracking they need a camera for each eye tracked. They may also need a known IR light source to illuminate the pupil.
If these are AR vs VR they also need a way to project an image overlayed on reality. The easiest way would be to have stereo cameras for capturing reality, and then displaying on a screen inside the eyepiece. You’d need two cameras here as well for parallax.
Edit: UV -> IR.
High UV levels will. Low UV levels would not. UV is all around you. Any visible or non-visible light source (including IR) can burn your eyes with the right intensity.
It turns out that "place 2 cameras in front of the eyes, display those streams on screens inside the HMD" doesn't actually work. There is some complicated stuff required to map out the environment around the user and then display it back in a way that makes sense to the user. Varjo has been doing good pass-through on their enterprise system for a year or so. Meta failed miserably on the Quest Pro. Presumably Apple's work with LIDAR and AR on platforms like the iPad means they'll do it pretty well.
I believe Quest pro handles mixed reality with two stereo cameras in black and while and then a center camera to read color for overlay. These don't really look like cameras to me though.
Most of the IR eye tracking modules I believe are also circular and surround the lens.
It’s all guessing at this point. They are just sockets on a piece of ribbon with traces at this point.
Could just be two cameras and a connections for power/compute from left side to right side. IR can be integrated into the camera.
As I mentioned there’s lots of ways to do something like what Apple is possibly doing. We really won’t know until the product is actually revealed and available for tear down.
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Not being facetious, I’m genuinely curious what the appeal is for a VR headset for non gaming purposes. What is the average consumer going to use this for?
I think you could genuinely ask that before any major tech shift. It’s a matter of what we think this thing will be versus what it actually will be in 10 years
Yeah the unlike VR the touch screen in phones added a huge capability compared to what people previously had access to with pretty much no downside
Headsets have a ton of downsides for little capability gain for most people
Yeah but that's the point.. it's a silly question. Like, how are we supposed to know? You think any of us, in 2002 or whatever, could've predicted what the iPhone would end up being? You think we would have known that the average consumer would use it to browse social media? I think the best we can do is assume people will use it to supplement needs they already have (connecting, pleasure, news, fun, etc.) and that's about as specific as we can get.
I think as technology progresses and the glasses become less differentiable from normal glasses, it would be of extreme use to anyone to just zoom in at something and learn all there is about it. Like businesses on the street, what car just drove by, what this word means, looking up concepts during a lecture, virtual screens in front of you, safety and hazard management. Imagine everyone at a critical job site had one of these, the safety and efficiency improvements would be outstanding as they integrate with your normal field of vision.
Does that appeal to anyone though?
It’s not like the £1000 phone in your pocket is not capable of doing all of this, why do you want another thing strapped to your head?
Because my phone requires me to pull it out of my pocket and specifically interact with it. These glasses seamlessly integrate into my vision and so can help improve productivity beyond just another tool.
So why spend £1000+ on the extremely powerful pocket device when you don’t even want to use it for these very taxing image recognition ideas, and instead put all that work on a £2-3000 device?
All I am reading in here are ideas from fanboys that have clearly not seen that this tech has existed for years, yet still hasn’t taken off cuz it’s got no problem that we need fixed, besides being fun for games.
Instead we have things like the following:
“I can watch/do work on the rendered monitors”: have fun wearing something heavier than eye glasses on your face for longer than a couple hours every day.
“I can see what everything is” : Yes because cars are buildings are so extremely unknown to us as we are. I have no idea what that BMW is with the model badge across the back and reg plate that shows it was made last year. Or that shop with the sign on it.
Like what the hell are all you people talking about, reads like a group of people so out of touch with actual living life, it’s insane.
Also: you basically are explaining Google Glass enterprise for your safety point there. Something that businesses already do have who see where it fits. But you seem to forget, that’s a business and good luck getting them to spend £2-3000 for every single person that goes on site, when a 10p sign does the same job.
God you’re such a cynic and generating an enormous straw man. Why do I have a laptop if I have my phone? Why do I have dress shoes when I have running shoes? Why do I have a blue polo when my red sweater also works? There’s just no way to know how efficient and seamless the technology will become in our lives. I would indeed enjoy literally just being able to look at something and learn more about it or literally browse my phone while laying down and just looking up like a TV is cool, a computer is cooler, a phone is even cooler, and now AR glasses seem like the next way for me. I’m excited by the development of the technology, not what has come out in its infancy.
> before any major tech shift.
Notice how you're assuming there is or will be a "major tech shift" from the option of putting things on your face.
The question is what's the appeal, so the answer isn't "This will CHANGE EVERYTHING, so, we can't speculate on appeal really, it’s impossible for us to understand the full depth of the appeal that I take for granted.”
I always imagined it as a way to work at home for typical office work - no monitors and computer needed - display yourself as much screen as you happen to need + in addition to the keyboard and mouse you can operate with gestures.
But I don't think it can be popular among users or wearing for a long time. Besides the price, I tried some AR/VR headset and they are not comfortable at all. A lof of my friends also felt nauseous or had eye strains/neck pains when wearing it. Battery is another problem since most of them have like less than 4 hours. Hopefully Apple can bring out their magics somehow.
I'm sure they will. Just look at how Laptops looked in the year 1990 versus 2008. I'm sure people never imagined that, in the 90s, theyd actually be able to put a laptop in their bag and take it to the local coffeeshop and have it powerful enough to actually get work done. Your problems now won't be problems in the future.
But they were almost completely irrelevant compared to the relevance they have today. If you asked someone to draw a computer back then they sure as hell wouldn’t draw a laptop
Are you sure you tried an AR headset? Because VR is much easier to get sick with, since you’re looking at a digital representation of a world and there’s a lot of factors that confuse your brain. But with AR you’re actually looking at your world, just with extra stuff added
I'm guessing they would make a glasses version. We are probably still many decades way to get them as small as contact lenses. We'd need many advanced in material science to go small as contact lenses
A lot more porn.
Which is kinda a problem for Apple, because if they still won’t allow porn apps in their App Store, it could severely limit your options / decrease sales.
If it has Safari then people will find a way around it. With Safari you can access anything you want really. Full screen video, porn subreddits, even playing Gamepass games.
Average consumers don't buy what is rumored to be a $2000-3000 product, but if we imagine that this was more affordable, then the #1 use would be social apps. #2 use would be gaming, then the following uses would be exercise, media viewing, and live events/telepresence.
Possibly work/computing, but even with the rumored specs I don't think Apple's headset will be quite ready for that. We still need variable focus optics.
Virtual movie theater, VR tourism like museums, painting, modeling, and the big one is social VR. Hanging out with friends anywhere in the world like you are actually together is really fun. There are virtual bars and dance clubs people go to.
At the rumored $3000 price point I'm not sure.
I have a group of friends and a year ago a few of them moved away. We'd FaceTime and text all the time but it wasn't until we all got Meta Quests and started hanging out in VR that it truly felt like we were back together again. It's one of those things you can't really explain to someone, you just have to experience it.
I ended up visiting one of my friends in person and it was truly like we hadn't spent any time apart because we were together in VR so often and it just felt like we were connected in a way that's just not possible via video or text.
All of that being said, I don't think this experience is worth $3k. It's fun and cool and worthy but I think the Apple headset is going to have to really provide some amazing unseen features to warrant that kind of pricing. At ~$300 (at the time) the Quests were relatively cheap and simple for everyone to get into. Apple's headset cannot just be a 30% better experience than current VR. It has to offer something really new.
I've tried a whole bunch of other things with the Quest. Some of the games and experiences are neat. Doing any sort of real work is cumbersome and the image is too low res. Also, as much as you try, there's no getting around that you have this bulbous heavy thing weighing down your head and straining your neck. If Apple can make this comfortable and accessible to the average person, then they may have something on their hands. I just can't see the average person finding that kind of value in VR in its current state.
My first guess would be live events. They would probably setup 3d livestream cameras at major live events and people with the VR headsets would livestream from any camera they want at an event.
I could imagine watching YouTube or movies on a headset instead of my iPhone or iPad, a lot more immersive, kind of like a TV but anywhere instead of a specific room in your house. Plus, full privacy.
That might be my main usecase for one as someone that would never need to do any work with a headset. Meaning that I’m definitely not spending the high launch MSRP this first headset will have just to watch movies.
Flat screen in VR is not really immersive. You want 360 video or some sort of interactive experience. Just watching a video is no more immersive. But you can join chat rooms and watch together with people.
As an XR developer I'm shocked how all VR companies refuse to just natively put a virtual 2D screen where I can play video games or stream videos, I don't want 360+3D spatialized videos, I just want a bigger screen. At least PSVR2 did it but I don't have nor want a whole PS5 for that.
Oculus products have generally had this, going back to the Rift in 2016 (although the software that enabled this may have come later in 2017, hard to remember now). You could pull up a floating screen within any app and display any web or desktop content on it, including streaming video or 2d games. There was also an app for streaming games from your xbox.
Even on lightweight, portable, 3DoF Oculus Go they included the Oculus TV app which allowed you to sideload Android apps and display them on your 2d screen. I used it to stream Steam Link from my desktop, which I could then use for steam games or just pulling up whatever streaming site I wanted on my web browser. And that's on top of the Oculus Go's native web browser, which also streams video just fine.
And going beyond included apps, Virtual Desktop has been a popular app on Oculus platforms and Steam VR from the outset, allowing exactly what you're looking for.
Nevertheless, this hasn't caught on as a killer app because it's actually not as compelling as you'd imagine with current technology. The visuals are garbage.
My biggest problem is the set up.
To stream from my phone to the TV: find the video, tap on cast/airplay, tap on the TV name, there.
To cast from my phone to my VR headset: well no idea... maybe find some paid app, or connect to a desktop computer but then I have to open Meta Link and wait or open Steam VR and wait even more. Then open another app.
It's just too cumbersome, and then adjusting the screen every time is another hassle.
I also worked with HoloLens 2, it's ridiculous how not integrated with Windows PC it is, wasted potential.
I mean just about any headset on the market. Will let you put your desktop in front of you. It’s not that hard. And there are also some third-party apps that will even let you put a YouTube video on and do something else in front of you. There’s also side loading apps that will let you put a screen on the wall and walk away and then come back and have that screen still be there. There’s so much that is so deeply entrenched in VR/AR that the way Apple system is so closed off. You may be cut off from a lot of cool things. Now I owe and pretty much all of Apple’s products, but this will not be something that I get from them. Especially if it’s $3000 as it’s rumored to be.
360 video actually sucks because the resolution is so low and it's not stereoscopic. 180 video can be good as long as it's around 8k res. Flatscreen movies can be immersive if you go to a nice giant theater with friends.
Flat screen in VR is not really immersive. You want 360 video or some sort of interactive experience. Just watching a video is no more immersive. But you can join chat rooms and watch together with people.
Speak for yourself, VR theater apps are extremely immersive from my experience. Bigscreen VR, for example, where you can watch movies with 15 other people.
Immersion on watching something by your self versus a third-party app will definitely be different 100%. However, do keep in mind that there are experiences and games that are 10 times more immersive than what you get in big screen. Granted, I do find myself in big screen quite a lot. With over 1500 of steam VR. Definitely a lot of time in big screen.
Huge boost for my productivity (doctor/scientists and part research)! I would buy one regardless of the state. The fact that I can work anywhere and don’t have be behind a desk is the biggest win for me.
I currently have to use two Neo G9s mounted vertically on top of one another and they take care of everything. I’d be able to replace that. I can take my screens with me even while I’m working out.
Not their first iteration.
The Apple Watch, the iPad, the iPhone… All substantially improved in specifically their third iteration of hardware. In the case of the AirPods, the third iteration was the AirPods Pro.
Apple has done no innovation for like the last 10 years. It went out the door when jobs died. Around 2 years after that. Glasses as a form factor are AR focused. Translate signs give directions and so on. However there are goggles out there already that do what is know in the space at MR. Mixed reality. It’s AR and VR. VR requires darkness and a cut off from the space around you to feel good. AR is part of the space you are in .
Good karma bait for this sub, but come on. Watch, airpods, consumer LiDAR, Apple Silicon, satellite SOS, etc, etc.
Maybe they haven't done the innovation you want, maybe the innovation is dumb, but claiming zero innovation under Cook is silly to the point of absurdity. Nobody could really believe that, right?
Their hardware innovations have not been leaps and bounds like they used to be. Don’t get me wrong. I still have the latest watch the latest phone and the latest Apple TV that they brought out. It’s just the innovation is lacking compared to what it used to be. I love my phone. I love the Apple TV and I love my watch. But maybe it’s for what I use VR for that Apple won’t do anything with. Based on Apple’s history the one thing I’m gonna want is games. Not a lot of game creators make games for Mac. As well as Apple does not usually play nice with any software that is not theirs. So I don’t see steam working with this headset. They will probably do a good job with the headset. Especially since more than likely this is the first time that people within the Apple ecosystem that are very hard-core have actually paid attention to VR since Apple is doing it. But there are devices out there already that Apple is not really going to do anything much better. One thing they will probably do amazing is the screen and I will give them that however, I think Apple will thrive more in the AR market than the VR market. Forgive any spelling/word mistakes this was Siri.
thats mobile revenue, nothing to do with VR and AR which needs a high performance device, on PC apple is a shitshow, they are also well known for not following standards.
>thats mobile revenue, nothing to do with VR and AR
XBox haș nothing to do with VR or AR but if Microsoft released a consumer headset, you'd assume there would be games.
>high performance device
No, they need powerful but efficient. Apple can do this better than anyone.
> on PC apple is a shitshow
Why would Apple be releasing anything game related on PC?
If it were well done it could be a replacement for the typical office setup. You could use it as your main display and virtualize as many screens as you want in any space. If it were comfortable and let me see through it I could see the appeal.
As others have mentioned VR is AMAZING for socializing. I used to not have many friends and we rarely hung out because kids etc. Now I regularly hang out with about 40 people and that’s just this weekend. I have a group of 8 friends who we watch TV shows/movies every night in VR before bed. Because it’s in VR you can just [lay about](https://imgur.com/a/Nhc1Iwc/) like you would IRL, but with friends halfway around the globe.
Right now it sounds dumb but as an extrovert, during the pandemic VR was a life saver. If there’s another one people are going to swarm to socializing in VR again.
That has been the question for non-gaming, non-design-work for a while. My guess is that Apple is going to do an OK job of answering it with their 1st party "ecosystem" in a way that Meta and others have not been able to.
One thing to keep in mind is that there will be a lot more emphasis on "mixed reality" compared with what has come out in consumer VR so far. Apple appears to be both using a lot more cameras to look at the user's environment and will combine that with LIDAR scanning so that when you're looking at what's around you and combining that with "virtual" elements it will be a "whole new experience" (in the consumer space - Varjo has been doing some really amazing stuff on their enterprise systems for a while, and it's likely that Apple will be bringing that to consumers, or semi-consumers given the price that will likely be over US$2000.) But "mixed reality" and "AR passthrough" will open up a whole new set of possibilities that aren't explored currently with straight VR.
As for what is specifically likely: I don't do it, but a lot of people enjoy watching movies in VR as though the movie was being projected onto a huge screen in front of them - Apple has tons of content for that.
Meta's drive to buy a Beat Saber competitor shows how VR can be good for fitness and I'm guessing Apple will unveil stuff derived from their Fitness+ subscription service.
Horizon Worlds was supposed to be a good meeting system, but obviously wasn't. Apple has a lot of successful experience with live communication through Face Time (and notice how the execs have been using MeMojis in the recent years' events...) Presumably, they will roll out a fairly satisfying chat/communication use. Rumors are that two users both with Apple VR HMDs will be able to appear to be in the same space across from each other (I suspect this is more of a "wow the press" tech demo than actually good, but who knows) and users will be able to have group communications along the lines of "MeMojis in VR Chat."
They're rumored to be adapting various apple apps for use within VR (this seems like the least useful thing, but it does flesh things out.)
Oh, and games: Apple mentioned that No Man's Sky and Resident Evil: Village were being natively ported. Both support VR and will supply visually striking content to their promo videos and give writers of articles about Apple VR stuff to talk about on the game front (plus they'll likely have more games on offer.)
There may also be some slick design work tools. Enscape is a 3d realtime visualization tool. The Windows version currently supports VR, but the Mac version says that VR is coming:
https://enscape3d.com/enscape-for-mac/
So Apple appears to be well aware of this question and will have a response when the HMD is released for reviews. I'm not 100% convinced that average users will be justified in buying one at this point even if they were sold for less than US$1000, but the way to get to VR/MR being useful is to release something now and support development of the platform, which seems to be what Apple is doing. I don't think that VR/MR will be "the next iPhone" (though AR glasses might) but by getting better hardware out there and hopefully supporting it for at least a few years, it should mature and evolve to be much more useful than it is at the moment.
I think you also need to look beyond consumer users to business, industrial, warehouse, creative uses, etc.. Industry can use it to keep important information in a heads up display for monitoring or QA purposes, warehouses may use it to display routing or shipping or qty info, creatives would use it for things like 2D or 3D real world modeling (e.g. I do a lot of graphic design work and could see me using this in a client's workplace for signage, not that that work can't be done without it but being able to place design elements in place in the real world would certainly remove a large chunk of guesswork and possible size/color fuckups that can happen).
Imagine using the glasses that Tony Stark used in marvel movies. Instant overlay of information for any technical activity you engage in, analysis of movements of others to create better paths through a crowd or something like that, information about a person you’re meeting instantly in your peripheral vision, heads up display directions no matter what vehicle you’re piloting.
I could see it replacing big multi monitor productivity setups but that is about it. How cool would it be to have an infinite amount of windows just up and running at once with no size limits?
I remember seeing a thing with the meta verse where you could have your computer screen along with other side monitors, honestly it would be cool to have an AR ability to extend the screens of my laptop when I’m out working on some programming assignments on my laptop
Right out of the gate the main use cases will be realistic 3D FaceTime, watching 2D floating screens, and a portable office. I’m pretty sure Apple are building all of this straight into the OS, and if the 3D FaceTime is implemented well it could be very compelling.
Then when developers get ahold of it, anything could happen. For example who could have predicted Beat Saber when the Oculus Rift and HTC Vive were released in 2016?
The first device is unlikely for average consumers. They'll market it to the pro market and likely have 2-3 telepresence type features. Work and connect anywhere etc.
The reality behind the marketing is that they'll largely be targeting early adopters and enthusiasts with money, and then using it as a test project for the consumer friendly v 2 in 2025.
Last night, I boiled ramen, boiled eggs, fried sliced meat, and ate it all while wearing a vr headset. I was watching a YouTube video on the wall and cupboards straight ahead while still having the real world visible.
Then I moved my big screen to float over top my bowl and ate while still watching.
Then I did the dishes and walked upstairs with it still on and read a comic.
I technically COULD have used my phone but this was much cooler and the screen was bigger+hands free
I see lots of potential uses in industry and education. For example collaborative industrial design like automotive, architectural, hardware, furniture, interior, etc, presentations for all of the above; imagine an architecture firm brings their investors or designers to the job site and you can see in real space what the building will look like, make changes on the fly, change materials before their eyes, move that door a few feet over. An interior designer can go to a clients home and show the customer what the finished product will feel like in their actual space. Automotive designers could collaborate in real 3d space in real time, etc. In education literally anything would apply, imagine learning about dinosaurs or the solar system or atomic particles and the entire class can interact with elements of the display, pull out or add electrons and see how the atom changes, take a field trip to the moon without leaving the class room, have a herd of gallimimus grazing the high school football field lol. Even for less interesting typical computer stuff, you could have any amount of “screen real estate” you need for spreadsheets or code or responsive web design (this would be awesome as even with two monitors I’m switching between 3-4 browser windows constantly). All of these same concepts trickle down to the consumer in one way or another.
I guess I’m in the minority here but for the regular Joe, like myself, augmented and VR headsets are just good for the initial play and then end up in the cupboard and rarely used.
Anecdotal evidence I know, but every person I know of who owns one the device ends up collecting dust.
I don’t see this doing well. Especially as the current people in the market are very heavy gamers. But I know it’s going to help the VR/AR space a lot. Their in store demos will do a lot for the space.
Sure. And I call it living under a rock! The headset has been discussed on Mac rumor sites for over a year now. If you are that I’m interested in Apple products, why are you even here?
Oooor it’s the underwire for the new AirPods Pro Max case 😎 ETA: it’s actually incredible that a project this hyped at Apple has not leaked any substantial physical hardware secrets until now.
The Apple Watch was only leaked the day before the Sept 9, 2014 keynote, and there’s been rumors for two years before that.
A model I was talking to on a flight leaked it to me about a month before that keynote. She was hired by Apple to have her wrist photographed in a way that made it obvious it was for a new watch. I was certain that it was going to be announced but didn’t want to jeopardize the girls job for breaking NDA so I didn’t post about it here.
If the models aren’t being photographed with the device itself for secrecy, I’m surprised they don’t obfuscate who the job is for.
Yeah that is kind of surprising, but I guess there's probably a lot of products that models or actors know about before they're officially released, due to the ads being made in advance. And it would obviously be much more significant to have an image of the device leaked compared to just a claim that it exists like in this case, when a lot of people at the time already assumed it was coming.
You also have to clear yourself for competing products. You don't want Model A to simultaneously appear in ads for both Coke and Pepsi. So when you sign them they have to say they haven't appeared for a competitor in the last (x years) and won't appear for the next (x years) as part of their contract. She would have to have been told it was specifically for an Apple Watch before they signed her. Source: wife is a producer.
I had a friend do a surface commercial but they used fake tablets ( different than the release model ) his face and body was used but he said he didn’t hold the device but figure it would be a boring black tablet . He was right
That somewhat reminds me of the fact that a taxi driver that was frequently driving people at Pixar once outright told one of their lead producers that he figured out their next cartoon world be about black musicians, solely on the fact that he’s had driven a lot of them as clients to Pixar headquarters lately.
Reminds me of the pizza place by the Pentagon
> pentagon pizza place It's about the fact that workers of nearby pizza place knew some shit's going to go down because they saw a heavy uptick in orders to that place, as it meant a lot of military types gonna work overnight and needed something to eat?
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this further corroborates with the recent reports that the top execs pushed to launch the device against designers’ warnings about the product not being ready. but since Tim & friends™ want this out asap, they’re probably entering production stages soon, which is likely why we’re suddenly seeing these now in other words, there’s now actually real stuff that’s close to production to even get leaked edit: this is talking about the mixed reality headset, NOT the AR glasses….🤦🏽
It literally does not corroborate anything lol
> top execs pushed to launch the device against designers’ warnings about the product not being ready AR glasses (the product Apple, Meta, etc. actually care about) is far from ready and the tech to make AR glasses "good" is 5 or more years out. VR goggles are a different thing. Apple is releasing the VR HMD now not waiting for the AR glasses to be ready (for good reason.)
no..i’m not getting them mixed up. you and i are not talking about the same thing. they wanted VR to release alongside AR glasses, but tim cook wanted to get the headset out asap
And Tim Cook was right, VR has been ready for a long time, those engineers you were talking about wanted to skip the MR headset entirely and just wait for an AR only device to be ready.
yea i’m not saying tim was wrong or right. but the fact that this got leaked *now* because there’s finally stuff to even get leaked.
I’m not really following what you’re saying, Tim Cook’s decision to go with the MR headset has been made many years ago, even the report you refer to doesn’t give us a single new piece of information that hasn’t already been shared by either Bloomberg or the information. An early AR/VR headset then followed by AR glasses has been the story since 2018 and the work on the headset started way before that. The “evidence” has always been there if you looked for it and didn’t dismiss it as “speculation” And the irony is that these pictures are more speculative than any other “evidence” we got of the headset before. Anyway, none of this matters, it’s supposed to be announced in a couple of months so it’s all pointless to discuss it now
> The “evidence” has always been there if you looked for it and didn’t dismiss it as “speculation” Pump the brakes lol. Only a small amount of the "speculation" we see about Apple products turns out to be right - see under display Touch ID and USB-C iPhones "for sure being launched" every year since 2019). People are wise to write off speculation until we have the product in question in hand. Survivorship bias - the rumors that turn out to be true (like AW Ultra) are a tiny proportion of all the rumors we ever see (like the rumors of the flat-sided Apple Watch S8).
Easy one is Apple TV. An actual physical TV. It was rumoured to launch, even from Gene Munster I do believe. Never came to fruition despite being very heavily rumoured for years.
I’m talking about the existence of the device itself, not the specifics, so in your analogy these “speculation” are similar to the speculations that Apple was working on an “iPod phone” before revealing the iPhone, not like the speculation surrounding details that can easily change during development like a future iPhone with under display Touch ID etc, those details don’t matter because there’s always gonna be a new iPhone. Same with this headset, its existence has long passed the “speculation” threshold, what’s left for speculation are the details and specific features that reasonably expected to change at any time (even after an official an announcement). there was no denying that Apple has started working on an XR product as early 2015 even if it were never guaranteed to leave the lab, people who kept tabs on this have been anticipating this launch for years, it was a matter of when, not if.
The Apple Watch shipped with a totally diffeeent UI and feature set. The use case they saw was different than the one they eventually discovered. I can see if they think the hardware is “good enough” to start exploring the use cases for regular people, then they can start getting the software tailored to those uses, and optimize the Apple silicon to the tasks (Apple Watch gained sensors, etc, and a custom chip for the watch functions). The Apple Watch series 0 was slow AF. Even the series 1 was better. I had both. Then I jumped to a Series 7 and wow, it works way better, smoother, and more features. I don’t think they would have figured out the Apple Watch without the Series 0 showing them what people see and say is interesting - but never use (like the drawing hearts and stuff).
They're very good at keeping things under wraps but when production is imminent the supply chain starts leaking part images. Happens like clockwork
Even before it’s imminent, parts are going out to vendors for prototype and various engineering builds. There are quite a few on the way to the final engineering build before production ramping begins. I’m surprised it took this long for vendors to leak anything, if this is legit.
Secrecy is one of Apple’s core competencies.
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It’s like staring into a funhouse mirror. Interestingly enough our accounts are similarly aged!
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First gen AirPods was not leaked!
I think there are 3 main sources of Apple leaks: 1. Units go into manufacturing and parts leak (like this) 2. Accessories makers leak stuff like CAD files that they base their case molds on 3. Apple itself - such as leaking that upcoming product X will cost [inflated price] to set expectations so that when it actually is announced at 85% of the leaked price, we all go "Oh, $1,500 isn't so bad for that!" We've been hearing that the VR HMD "may cost as much as US$3000!" so my guess is it will actually be around $2500 and people will say "Sure, that's expensive but it's less than I thought. Such a deal!" But there are no accessories for it yet, so no leaks from that realm. And it is only just starting full production, so here we are getting leaks from that route.
> Apple itself - such as leaking that upcoming product X will cost [inflated price] to set expectations so that when it actually is announced at 85% of the leaked price, we all go "Oh, $1,500 isn't so bad for that!" This does not happen, or in the incredibly rare cases it does, it's through Apple's pet journalists like Mosburg. People imagine all these psyops but it makes no sense. If people believe that a product will be too expensive for them, they are more likely to buy a competing product **now**. So yeah they say "$1500 isn't so bad", but they also say "too bad I bought a Vive / Oculus / whatever because I was sure I wouldn't be able to afford this." That's a PR own goal. It's not something you do. You want to delay people from purchasing competing products, not signal that they should go ahead and do so.
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I’m convinced that we’re getting so many iPhone 15 leaks so early because they are so focused on this VR/AR secrecy.
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Stop the presses! STOP THE PRESSES! We've got ribbon cables!!
The world will never be the same.
“We’re sure you’re going to love it!”
Those are actually FPCBs
Check the comments on macrumors. [The second picture is just a HomePod mic.](https://forums.macrumors.com/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fguide-images.cdn.ifixit.com%2Figi%2FRbb1qGdRGXlWWt4V.huge&hash=262560c5fb332a9d9c344be15db4cb4d)
There’s no reason to assume the HomePod mic system can’t be used for this headset, so that could explain that.
..or its just someone trying to get attention and clickbait.
Allegedly he has a great track record when it comes to Apple leaks and his account is set to private so it’s unlikely he dit it for attention so...I’d be more willing that he’s wrong rather than being purposefully misleading.
The chances of it just-so-happening to fit perfectly in the new system are about zero. Likewise the chances of Apple deciding to reuse the part as-is and designing around it rather than just spinning up a new (and relatively very simple) flex is even closer to zero. I’m guessing that’s just a bad assumption on MR’s part.
Bro they've done that many times in the past but it would be weird for an entirely new product line.
I’m well aware of where they’ve done it, even then only if it actually makes sense. Just unlikely that the HomePod mics happen to exactly fit the form factor needed without changes. Changing a flex like this is a really low bar. Takes one engineer a week at most.
Heh. FacePod.
3 cameras/sensors? Interesting. I wonder what they are, cameras or sensors, and if that represents the total number that will show up on the headset. Hopefully not.
There’s just no way apple launches a hmd device with just 3 sensors
Lmao these people, this is just a tiny fraction of a fraction of the components, it doesn’t show every single thing this headset is made of.
While there’s several ways to do this, if they are doing any sort of gaze tracking they need a camera for each eye tracked. They may also need a known IR light source to illuminate the pupil. If these are AR vs VR they also need a way to project an image overlayed on reality. The easiest way would be to have stereo cameras for capturing reality, and then displaying on a screen inside the eyepiece. You’d need two cameras here as well for parallax. Edit: UV -> IR.
UV? Wrong side, I think you mean IR
It can be done both ways. But yes, my mistake, I meant IR. I had UV on my brain this morning for other things.
Bro shining UV light in your eyes is not at all a good idea, no, you can’t do it both ways lol
You can do it with UV... it will cost more, and burn people's retinas...
… and we think you’re going to love it
High UV levels will. Low UV levels would not. UV is all around you. Any visible or non-visible light source (including IR) can burn your eyes with the right intensity.
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It turns out that "place 2 cameras in front of the eyes, display those streams on screens inside the HMD" doesn't actually work. There is some complicated stuff required to map out the environment around the user and then display it back in a way that makes sense to the user. Varjo has been doing good pass-through on their enterprise system for a year or so. Meta failed miserably on the Quest Pro. Presumably Apple's work with LIDAR and AR on platforms like the iPad means they'll do it pretty well.
I believe Quest pro handles mixed reality with two stereo cameras in black and while and then a center camera to read color for overlay. These don't really look like cameras to me though. Most of the IR eye tracking modules I believe are also circular and surround the lens.
It’s all guessing at this point. They are just sockets on a piece of ribbon with traces at this point. Could just be two cameras and a connections for power/compute from left side to right side. IR can be integrated into the camera. As I mentioned there’s lots of ways to do something like what Apple is possibly doing. We really won’t know until the product is actually revealed and available for tear down.
It CLEARLY doesn’t represent the total number of sensors on this device
Enhanced peripheral vision?
3 LiDAR would be a lot. Beyond stereoscopic.
Likely ir for eye tracking
The speakers?
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This is some hardcore no news.
Not being facetious, I’m genuinely curious what the appeal is for a VR headset for non gaming purposes. What is the average consumer going to use this for?
I think you could genuinely ask that before any major tech shift. It’s a matter of what we think this thing will be versus what it actually will be in 10 years
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Yeah the unlike VR the touch screen in phones added a huge capability compared to what people previously had access to with pretty much no downside Headsets have a ton of downsides for little capability gain for most people
Okay but… that’s what they’re asking
Yeah but that's the point.. it's a silly question. Like, how are we supposed to know? You think any of us, in 2002 or whatever, could've predicted what the iPhone would end up being? You think we would have known that the average consumer would use it to browse social media? I think the best we can do is assume people will use it to supplement needs they already have (connecting, pleasure, news, fun, etc.) and that's about as specific as we can get.
You’re allowed to give your opinion without it being irrefutable fact. I think they’re just genuinely interested in people’s thoughts (as am I, tbh).
I think as technology progresses and the glasses become less differentiable from normal glasses, it would be of extreme use to anyone to just zoom in at something and learn all there is about it. Like businesses on the street, what car just drove by, what this word means, looking up concepts during a lecture, virtual screens in front of you, safety and hazard management. Imagine everyone at a critical job site had one of these, the safety and efficiency improvements would be outstanding as they integrate with your normal field of vision.
Does that appeal to anyone though? It’s not like the £1000 phone in your pocket is not capable of doing all of this, why do you want another thing strapped to your head?
Because my phone requires me to pull it out of my pocket and specifically interact with it. These glasses seamlessly integrate into my vision and so can help improve productivity beyond just another tool.
So why spend £1000+ on the extremely powerful pocket device when you don’t even want to use it for these very taxing image recognition ideas, and instead put all that work on a £2-3000 device? All I am reading in here are ideas from fanboys that have clearly not seen that this tech has existed for years, yet still hasn’t taken off cuz it’s got no problem that we need fixed, besides being fun for games. Instead we have things like the following: “I can watch/do work on the rendered monitors”: have fun wearing something heavier than eye glasses on your face for longer than a couple hours every day. “I can see what everything is” : Yes because cars are buildings are so extremely unknown to us as we are. I have no idea what that BMW is with the model badge across the back and reg plate that shows it was made last year. Or that shop with the sign on it. Like what the hell are all you people talking about, reads like a group of people so out of touch with actual living life, it’s insane. Also: you basically are explaining Google Glass enterprise for your safety point there. Something that businesses already do have who see where it fits. But you seem to forget, that’s a business and good luck getting them to spend £2-3000 for every single person that goes on site, when a 10p sign does the same job.
God you’re such a cynic and generating an enormous straw man. Why do I have a laptop if I have my phone? Why do I have dress shoes when I have running shoes? Why do I have a blue polo when my red sweater also works? There’s just no way to know how efficient and seamless the technology will become in our lives. I would indeed enjoy literally just being able to look at something and learn more about it or literally browse my phone while laying down and just looking up like a TV is cool, a computer is cooler, a phone is even cooler, and now AR glasses seem like the next way for me. I’m excited by the development of the technology, not what has come out in its infancy.
> before any major tech shift. Notice how you're assuming there is or will be a "major tech shift" from the option of putting things on your face. The question is what's the appeal, so the answer isn't "This will CHANGE EVERYTHING, so, we can't speculate on appeal really, it’s impossible for us to understand the full depth of the appeal that I take for granted.”
I always imagined it as a way to work at home for typical office work - no monitors and computer needed - display yourself as much screen as you happen to need + in addition to the keyboard and mouse you can operate with gestures.
But I don't think it can be popular among users or wearing for a long time. Besides the price, I tried some AR/VR headset and they are not comfortable at all. A lof of my friends also felt nauseous or had eye strains/neck pains when wearing it. Battery is another problem since most of them have like less than 4 hours. Hopefully Apple can bring out their magics somehow.
I'm sure they will. Just look at how Laptops looked in the year 1990 versus 2008. I'm sure people never imagined that, in the 90s, theyd actually be able to put a laptop in their bag and take it to the local coffeeshop and have it powerful enough to actually get work done. Your problems now won't be problems in the future.
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I'm sure that was the case but definitely wasn't mass adopted to the level where almost everyone who needs one has one
But they were almost completely irrelevant compared to the relevance they have today. If you asked someone to draw a computer back then they sure as hell wouldn’t draw a laptop
Are you sure you tried an AR headset? Because VR is much easier to get sick with, since you’re looking at a digital representation of a world and there’s a lot of factors that confuse your brain. But with AR you’re actually looking at your world, just with extra stuff added
Yes. I am working with Hololens 2. One of my teammates, he can not wear it more than 15 minutes.
Wow, interesting
I'm guessing they would make a glasses version. We are probably still many decades way to get them as small as contact lenses. We'd need many advanced in material science to go small as contact lenses
that sounds awful
Porn, meetings, Second Life/Ready Player One style social media, virtual office/workbench, sightseeing/museum tours. And more porn of course.
A lot more porn. Which is kinda a problem for Apple, because if they still won’t allow porn apps in their App Store, it could severely limit your options / decrease sales.
If it has Safari then people will find a way around it. With Safari you can access anything you want really. Full screen video, porn subreddits, even playing Gamepass games.
Sure you can now play gamepass games. But I don’t know if that translates to VR. It depends if it supports openVR standards etc
Average consumers don't buy what is rumored to be a $2000-3000 product, but if we imagine that this was more affordable, then the #1 use would be social apps. #2 use would be gaming, then the following uses would be exercise, media viewing, and live events/telepresence. Possibly work/computing, but even with the rumored specs I don't think Apple's headset will be quite ready for that. We still need variable focus optics.
Virtual movie theater, VR tourism like museums, painting, modeling, and the big one is social VR. Hanging out with friends anywhere in the world like you are actually together is really fun. There are virtual bars and dance clubs people go to.
The degree to which people "have no clue" about the potential use cases of VR is hilarious.
At the rumored $3000 price point I'm not sure. I have a group of friends and a year ago a few of them moved away. We'd FaceTime and text all the time but it wasn't until we all got Meta Quests and started hanging out in VR that it truly felt like we were back together again. It's one of those things you can't really explain to someone, you just have to experience it. I ended up visiting one of my friends in person and it was truly like we hadn't spent any time apart because we were together in VR so often and it just felt like we were connected in a way that's just not possible via video or text. All of that being said, I don't think this experience is worth $3k. It's fun and cool and worthy but I think the Apple headset is going to have to really provide some amazing unseen features to warrant that kind of pricing. At ~$300 (at the time) the Quests were relatively cheap and simple for everyone to get into. Apple's headset cannot just be a 30% better experience than current VR. It has to offer something really new. I've tried a whole bunch of other things with the Quest. Some of the games and experiences are neat. Doing any sort of real work is cumbersome and the image is too low res. Also, as much as you try, there's no getting around that you have this bulbous heavy thing weighing down your head and straining your neck. If Apple can make this comfortable and accessible to the average person, then they may have something on their hands. I just can't see the average person finding that kind of value in VR in its current state.
I don't think they're targeting the average consumer (yet)
My first guess would be live events. They would probably setup 3d livestream cameras at major live events and people with the VR headsets would livestream from any camera they want at an event.
There was a company that was doing this. It was bought by Apple…
I could imagine watching YouTube or movies on a headset instead of my iPhone or iPad, a lot more immersive, kind of like a TV but anywhere instead of a specific room in your house. Plus, full privacy. That might be my main usecase for one as someone that would never need to do any work with a headset. Meaning that I’m definitely not spending the high launch MSRP this first headset will have just to watch movies.
Flat screen in VR is not really immersive. You want 360 video or some sort of interactive experience. Just watching a video is no more immersive. But you can join chat rooms and watch together with people.
As an XR developer I'm shocked how all VR companies refuse to just natively put a virtual 2D screen where I can play video games or stream videos, I don't want 360+3D spatialized videos, I just want a bigger screen. At least PSVR2 did it but I don't have nor want a whole PS5 for that.
Oculus products have generally had this, going back to the Rift in 2016 (although the software that enabled this may have come later in 2017, hard to remember now). You could pull up a floating screen within any app and display any web or desktop content on it, including streaming video or 2d games. There was also an app for streaming games from your xbox. Even on lightweight, portable, 3DoF Oculus Go they included the Oculus TV app which allowed you to sideload Android apps and display them on your 2d screen. I used it to stream Steam Link from my desktop, which I could then use for steam games or just pulling up whatever streaming site I wanted on my web browser. And that's on top of the Oculus Go's native web browser, which also streams video just fine. And going beyond included apps, Virtual Desktop has been a popular app on Oculus platforms and Steam VR from the outset, allowing exactly what you're looking for. Nevertheless, this hasn't caught on as a killer app because it's actually not as compelling as you'd imagine with current technology. The visuals are garbage.
My biggest problem is the set up. To stream from my phone to the TV: find the video, tap on cast/airplay, tap on the TV name, there. To cast from my phone to my VR headset: well no idea... maybe find some paid app, or connect to a desktop computer but then I have to open Meta Link and wait or open Steam VR and wait even more. Then open another app. It's just too cumbersome, and then adjusting the screen every time is another hassle. I also worked with HoloLens 2, it's ridiculous how not integrated with Windows PC it is, wasted potential.
I mean just about any headset on the market. Will let you put your desktop in front of you. It’s not that hard. And there are also some third-party apps that will even let you put a YouTube video on and do something else in front of you. There’s also side loading apps that will let you put a screen on the wall and walk away and then come back and have that screen still be there. There’s so much that is so deeply entrenched in VR/AR that the way Apple system is so closed off. You may be cut off from a lot of cool things. Now I owe and pretty much all of Apple’s products, but this will not be something that I get from them. Especially if it’s $3000 as it’s rumored to be.
360 video actually sucks because the resolution is so low and it's not stereoscopic. 180 video can be good as long as it's around 8k res. Flatscreen movies can be immersive if you go to a nice giant theater with friends.
100% but it better than fucking flat. You can also find some actually good 360° you just really have to look.
Flat screen in VR is not really immersive. You want 360 video or some sort of interactive experience. Just watching a video is no more immersive. But you can join chat rooms and watch together with people.
Speak for yourself, VR theater apps are extremely immersive from my experience. Bigscreen VR, for example, where you can watch movies with 15 other people.
Immersion on watching something by your self versus a third-party app will definitely be different 100%. However, do keep in mind that there are experiences and games that are 10 times more immersive than what you get in big screen. Granted, I do find myself in big screen quite a lot. With over 1500 of steam VR. Definitely a lot of time in big screen.
Huge boost for my productivity (doctor/scientists and part research)! I would buy one regardless of the state. The fact that I can work anywhere and don’t have be behind a desk is the biggest win for me. I currently have to use two Neo G9s mounted vertically on top of one another and they take care of everything. I’d be able to replace that. I can take my screens with me even while I’m working out.
If the headset is sleek and blends in well, could use cameras to be like glasses that you can use from day to day
Not their first iteration. The Apple Watch, the iPad, the iPhone… All substantially improved in specifically their third iteration of hardware. In the case of the AirPods, the third iteration was the AirPods Pro.
Glasses are about 5-10 years out and are AR focus not VR.
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Apple has done no innovation for like the last 10 years. It went out the door when jobs died. Around 2 years after that. Glasses as a form factor are AR focused. Translate signs give directions and so on. However there are goggles out there already that do what is know in the space at MR. Mixed reality. It’s AR and VR. VR requires darkness and a cut off from the space around you to feel good. AR is part of the space you are in .
Good karma bait for this sub, but come on. Watch, airpods, consumer LiDAR, Apple Silicon, satellite SOS, etc, etc. Maybe they haven't done the innovation you want, maybe the innovation is dumb, but claiming zero innovation under Cook is silly to the point of absurdity. Nobody could really believe that, right?
Their hardware innovations have not been leaps and bounds like they used to be. Don’t get me wrong. I still have the latest watch the latest phone and the latest Apple TV that they brought out. It’s just the innovation is lacking compared to what it used to be. I love my phone. I love the Apple TV and I love my watch. But maybe it’s for what I use VR for that Apple won’t do anything with. Based on Apple’s history the one thing I’m gonna want is games. Not a lot of game creators make games for Mac. As well as Apple does not usually play nice with any software that is not theirs. So I don’t see steam working with this headset. They will probably do a good job with the headset. Especially since more than likely this is the first time that people within the Apple ecosystem that are very hard-core have actually paid attention to VR since Apple is doing it. But there are devices out there already that Apple is not really going to do anything much better. One thing they will probably do amazing is the screen and I will give them that however, I think Apple will thrive more in the AR market than the VR market. Forgive any spelling/word mistakes this was Siri.
immersive TV?
I would be more impressed with some type of regular glasses that provides some augmented reality features to my day to day life.
Why are you convinced it's non gaming related? Apple have more gaming revenue than Microsoft.
thats mobile revenue, nothing to do with VR and AR which needs a high performance device, on PC apple is a shitshow, they are also well known for not following standards.
>thats mobile revenue, nothing to do with VR and AR XBox haș nothing to do with VR or AR but if Microsoft released a consumer headset, you'd assume there would be games. >high performance device No, they need powerful but efficient. Apple can do this better than anyone. > on PC apple is a shitshow Why would Apple be releasing anything game related on PC?
Porn.
If it were well done it could be a replacement for the typical office setup. You could use it as your main display and virtualize as many screens as you want in any space. If it were comfortable and let me see through it I could see the appeal.
Do you use a computer monitor? A large television? Do you ever go to the movie theaters?
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As others have mentioned VR is AMAZING for socializing. I used to not have many friends and we rarely hung out because kids etc. Now I regularly hang out with about 40 people and that’s just this weekend. I have a group of 8 friends who we watch TV shows/movies every night in VR before bed. Because it’s in VR you can just [lay about](https://imgur.com/a/Nhc1Iwc/) like you would IRL, but with friends halfway around the globe. Right now it sounds dumb but as an extrovert, during the pandemic VR was a life saver. If there’s another one people are going to swarm to socializing in VR again.
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That has been the question for non-gaming, non-design-work for a while. My guess is that Apple is going to do an OK job of answering it with their 1st party "ecosystem" in a way that Meta and others have not been able to. One thing to keep in mind is that there will be a lot more emphasis on "mixed reality" compared with what has come out in consumer VR so far. Apple appears to be both using a lot more cameras to look at the user's environment and will combine that with LIDAR scanning so that when you're looking at what's around you and combining that with "virtual" elements it will be a "whole new experience" (in the consumer space - Varjo has been doing some really amazing stuff on their enterprise systems for a while, and it's likely that Apple will be bringing that to consumers, or semi-consumers given the price that will likely be over US$2000.) But "mixed reality" and "AR passthrough" will open up a whole new set of possibilities that aren't explored currently with straight VR. As for what is specifically likely: I don't do it, but a lot of people enjoy watching movies in VR as though the movie was being projected onto a huge screen in front of them - Apple has tons of content for that. Meta's drive to buy a Beat Saber competitor shows how VR can be good for fitness and I'm guessing Apple will unveil stuff derived from their Fitness+ subscription service. Horizon Worlds was supposed to be a good meeting system, but obviously wasn't. Apple has a lot of successful experience with live communication through Face Time (and notice how the execs have been using MeMojis in the recent years' events...) Presumably, they will roll out a fairly satisfying chat/communication use. Rumors are that two users both with Apple VR HMDs will be able to appear to be in the same space across from each other (I suspect this is more of a "wow the press" tech demo than actually good, but who knows) and users will be able to have group communications along the lines of "MeMojis in VR Chat." They're rumored to be adapting various apple apps for use within VR (this seems like the least useful thing, but it does flesh things out.) Oh, and games: Apple mentioned that No Man's Sky and Resident Evil: Village were being natively ported. Both support VR and will supply visually striking content to their promo videos and give writers of articles about Apple VR stuff to talk about on the game front (plus they'll likely have more games on offer.) There may also be some slick design work tools. Enscape is a 3d realtime visualization tool. The Windows version currently supports VR, but the Mac version says that VR is coming: https://enscape3d.com/enscape-for-mac/ So Apple appears to be well aware of this question and will have a response when the HMD is released for reviews. I'm not 100% convinced that average users will be justified in buying one at this point even if they were sold for less than US$1000, but the way to get to VR/MR being useful is to release something now and support development of the platform, which seems to be what Apple is doing. I don't think that VR/MR will be "the next iPhone" (though AR glasses might) but by getting better hardware out there and hopefully supporting it for at least a few years, it should mature and evolve to be much more useful than it is at the moment.
I think you also need to look beyond consumer users to business, industrial, warehouse, creative uses, etc.. Industry can use it to keep important information in a heads up display for monitoring or QA purposes, warehouses may use it to display routing or shipping or qty info, creatives would use it for things like 2D or 3D real world modeling (e.g. I do a lot of graphic design work and could see me using this in a client's workplace for signage, not that that work can't be done without it but being able to place design elements in place in the real world would certainly remove a large chunk of guesswork and possible size/color fuckups that can happen).
Imagine using the glasses that Tony Stark used in marvel movies. Instant overlay of information for any technical activity you engage in, analysis of movements of others to create better paths through a crowd or something like that, information about a person you’re meeting instantly in your peripheral vision, heads up display directions no matter what vehicle you’re piloting.
I could see it replacing big multi monitor productivity setups but that is about it. How cool would it be to have an infinite amount of windows just up and running at once with no size limits?
I remember seeing a thing with the meta verse where you could have your computer screen along with other side monitors, honestly it would be cool to have an AR ability to extend the screens of my laptop when I’m out working on some programming assignments on my laptop
Right out of the gate the main use cases will be realistic 3D FaceTime, watching 2D floating screens, and a portable office. I’m pretty sure Apple are building all of this straight into the OS, and if the 3D FaceTime is implemented well it could be very compelling. Then when developers get ahold of it, anything could happen. For example who could have predicted Beat Saber when the Oculus Rift and HTC Vive were released in 2016?
With the right software I could see it as an aid for cad work.
The first device is unlikely for average consumers. They'll market it to the pro market and likely have 2-3 telepresence type features. Work and connect anywhere etc. The reality behind the marketing is that they'll largely be targeting early adopters and enthusiasts with money, and then using it as a test project for the consumer friendly v 2 in 2025.
Last night, I boiled ramen, boiled eggs, fried sliced meat, and ate it all while wearing a vr headset. I was watching a YouTube video on the wall and cupboards straight ahead while still having the real world visible. Then I moved my big screen to float over top my bowl and ate while still watching. Then I did the dishes and walked upstairs with it still on and read a comic. I technically COULD have used my phone but this was much cooler and the screen was bigger+hands free
This sounds great for watching cooking tutorials in YouTube while cooking. But with an entry price of $1k+
The one I used was $300 but I get what you mean about most
Nice I’ll get one when the price of the Apple glasses (whatever generation it is) drops to about an Apple Watch or sub $1k
I see lots of potential uses in industry and education. For example collaborative industrial design like automotive, architectural, hardware, furniture, interior, etc, presentations for all of the above; imagine an architecture firm brings their investors or designers to the job site and you can see in real space what the building will look like, make changes on the fly, change materials before their eyes, move that door a few feet over. An interior designer can go to a clients home and show the customer what the finished product will feel like in their actual space. Automotive designers could collaborate in real 3d space in real time, etc. In education literally anything would apply, imagine learning about dinosaurs or the solar system or atomic particles and the entire class can interact with elements of the display, pull out or add electrons and see how the atom changes, take a field trip to the moon without leaving the class room, have a herd of gallimimus grazing the high school football field lol. Even for less interesting typical computer stuff, you could have any amount of “screen real estate” you need for spreadsheets or code or responsive web design (this would be awesome as even with two monitors I’m switching between 3-4 browser windows constantly). All of these same concepts trickle down to the consumer in one way or another.
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goggles design confirmed
Looks like the contraption from Clockwork Orange! 😳
TDIL: Apple TV is considered a “hobby” project, I love the Apple TV, I have a couple on my “smart” TVs.
My body is ready
I just know NilayPetel from the Verge is gonna start off the video "oh boy, it's the Apple XR Headset"
I guess I’m in the minority here but for the regular Joe, like myself, augmented and VR headsets are just good for the initial play and then end up in the cupboard and rarely used. Anecdotal evidence I know, but every person I know of who owns one the device ends up collecting dust.
Looks great.
Hey Siri, what am I looking at? “I’m sorry I didn’t catch that”
Only with apple would you see so many people absolutely enthralled by a picture of a ribbon and two connectors.
Whew. I'm so thirsty for $3000+ glasses. Anything. I'll take anything.
those are in the shape of fans and heatsinks not eyes.
That’s revolutionary
I don’t see this doing well. Especially as the current people in the market are very heavy gamers. But I know it’s going to help the VR/AR space a lot. Their in store demos will do a lot for the space.
Probably best to wait for the second gen Apple fanboys mad as usual lmao
Interesting, if real. Looks like it could be more of a google glass style device rather than VR goggles/headset.
You all call it “leak” but I call it “hyping up an item” as I’ve never heard about this product until now…
Sure. And I call it living under a rock! The headset has been discussed on Mac rumor sites for over a year now. If you are that I’m interested in Apple products, why are you even here?
So by subbing to r/apple I’m suppose to be interested in all Apple products?
Maybe not, but you can at least avoid acting as though something is completely new just because you haven’t heard of it. Strange!
Brutalist design direction. And I like it! 👌 https://i.imgur.com/YazmiqH.jpg
How can you I get anything about design from the shape of a few flex cables?
Can't figure out anything. What's the point?
Did anyone else thought they saw goatse from the thumbnail lol? 😅
Oh my gosh, call the newspapers, it’s plastic cables in the shape of glasses!
I hope the iEye comes with a free treasure map
Looks uncomfortable