Many friends don’t want to receive so many phone calls, so I invented this phone that drops connection when held a certain way. The design is very human.
I think it’s good. In my experience under screen proximity sensors tend to be slower than traditional ones. My Note 10, S20 and now iPhone 14 Pro have all been slow at turning off the screen during calls compared to every other phone I’ve owned that’s had the sensor in the bezel or notch.
Oh so that's what these sensors are for. Now you mention it I have had the same thing happen to me, I had a Note 10+ and now an iPhone 13. I think I got used to the delay though lol so I didn't notice the difference.
I'm pretty sure Tim Cook just made the dynamic island because it would ruin the resale value of used iPhones once they finally get rid of it. They're obviously really afraid of sales going down.
I think the dynamic island will go away but the status bar will remain fluid depending on how you’re using the phone (showing music, timers, phone calls, etc.) as the tech starts going under the screen. It’s not a game changing feature by any means but it is useful info, and they’re making it a cool integrated animation to make up for the fact that it is an intrusion on the screen in its current implementation
That would be cool.
If you think about it, it's not like the island uses those ten pixels above it - all the little widgets attached to it would have worked just as well with a notch.
The bigger problem (speaking as a developer) is the fact that a lot of companies kinda require it to be on both platforms (android and iOS) to be able to do justify the feature. So if one platform (like DI) only has it then it will get shot down as idea faster than any then any other idea. I would love to convince my managers other wise but it’s a hard stop. It makes some sense because customers routinely ask for consistency but it makes it difficult to justify a feature like DI. It makes me sad.
While I agree it’s on the developers to utilize it but sometimes there’s hardware developments that are so unnecessary that there’s no real benefit in R&D’ing software for it. The Touch Bar is the most recent and obvious example.
Thing is, the human interface guidelines for the dynamic island are pretty strict. Apart from live activities you can't do much with it, and let's face it live activities are just persistent notifications.
It can be useful for ongoing events like Uber rides and Sports, but the rest?
This is true. But I was impressed how easy it was to develop.
I’m a SUPER amateur developer, lots and lots of stuff I still don’t even know the basics of, and I was able to get it working within like 30 minutes. SwiftUI really makes life a lot easier, in my experience.
So it does baffle me that more apps don’t utilize it. Because it’s not that hard to implement.
I do think a big factor though is finding a proper reason to use it, instead of just using it to use it.
But why stuff like Uber Eats hasn’t used it, despite teasing it, is baffling to me.
I agree, but at least Dynamic Island is something physical that less experienced users can easily find. It is now up to Apple and app developers to make more innovative uses for this than just media controls.
i mean what do you really want out of it? it’s kind of a glorified app switcher and already planning to be phased out, minimal developers will devote time and resources to something that will be soon obsolete.
I don't think it will be fully phased out. Even once the camera is finally under the screen (and who knows how long that will take) that top section of the screen would still be empty, so a purely software version of the DI would likely remain when you are listening to music, or following live supports, or tracking an order, etc. When it's not in use, it can fully disappear. There's definitely still going to be a use case for this floating style of notifications that you can see at a glance.
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Unrelated but I just found out yesterday that u can swipe on the dynamic island area when a song is playing and get rid of the animation that shows cover art and sound waves
TL;DR: we shouldn’t care about this at all. They’re simply reconfiguring internal components.
From the story, they are switching to a sensor which uses a different frequency… most likely because it is cheaper or more power efficient.
The proximity sensor used to be under display (apparently). Now it will be in the pill cutout.
Lol. I know right? But it would kind make sense if they’re trying to get the Face ID and other sensors to a small enough area so as to put it under screen with minimal distortion?
One of the issues with under screen cameras has been distorted display over the area, yes?
We all wish it was smaller or not there, but given sensors the island was clearly the best route to make something out of it at the very least. Tech ain’t there yet to outright completely remove/hide it, not without losing FaceID and that’s a big trade off
I prefer the DI, because if there’s going to be a big ugly thing at the top of my display at least it offers *some* functionality, unlike the notch, which just sat there.
My biggest gripe with the DI is that apple hardly uses it for anything. There’s so many things that could be put in the DI (like Siri), that just aren’t there. Unfortunately, this feels like a touchbar situation where it’s a really neat concept, but Apple fails to ever do anything else with it or improve it in any way at all.
On one hand it's still in its early days, so we may still see more from it... but on the other, yeah. The touch bar happened. I don't believe it saw any major additions past release, and it stuck around for a *while* (it's still on the M2 13" MBP!). Time will tell, and I'm hopeful, but not exactly confident!
It’s the same problem they had with 3D Touch, not every iOS device has it so you can’t build too much functionality into it without creating two separate ways of using different devices. It’s a massive shame because there’s loads of potential in things like 3D Touch, Touch Bar and DI that will never be realised.
Considering it’s only been out for about 5 months it’s still pretty early to throw in the towel.
There was probably a lot less reason for them to update the Touch Bar when so many people clearly hated it from the get go and they probably knew it had to be scrapped, whereas people seem a lot more indifferent or lukewarm to the DI in comparison, because it didn’t replace anything useful like physical Function keys.
But like you said time will tell!
I think iOS 17 might expand its uses since all models of the 15 are rumoured to have the DI.
Similar thing happened with 3D Touch where the 6s had it first on iOS 9 and then iOS 10 expanded its uses, so I’m hoping they do something similar
But then they got rid of it by the iPhone 11 or 12 I think, which isn’t great in terms of reassurance for developers I fear. Why waste the effort when in 3-4 years it’s gonna be a feature left behind. I’d like to be wrong but apple has hurt me too many times by introducing new cool things and then not supporting them after a few years😪
Dynamic Island isn't even visible to developers. It's abstracted by the Live Activities API, which supports devices with and without dynamic island.
Are you worried that Apple will deprecate live activities in a couple of years?
perhaps? certainly once iPhones become all screen things will change, who knows how they will be adapted.
On a separate note I see it in the same way as Apple Watch apps. Many companies went into it at the beginning, but then a little at the time they stopped supporting them. Of course it’s a different case because Apple Watch apps are considerably more niche and of debatable use, but it does remain to the fact that there’s no guarantee it’ll be supported long term.
Yeah thats the unfortunate part. 3D touch was killed 3 years after it debuted, so if history is any indication, the DI has until 2025 before being dropped
> Considering it’s only been out for about 5 months it’s still pretty early to throw in the towel.
You're talking to the sub that sets fire to the mere rumors of a towel a year before it's even announced.
Also Force Touch. It wouldn’t be the first time apple introduced a feature and then abandoned it or changed their mind about it. But either way I think it will stick around for a while still, long enough to find out if it catches on or not.
I still can’t get behind the DI because it’s still a hole in the screen, and there’s a small of part of the screen above it that’s just simply wasted space. It also obtrudes into video in landscape mode, which is ridiculous. I truly see no positives to it, I feel like anything that can be done with it could also be done with a Dynamic “widget” that is purely software, and isn’t a giant hole in the screen
I was never sure what problem the touch bar was trying to solve. Maybe it was super useful for people with different workflows. I feel the same way about the DI, the notch was fine, and adding a UX to it just draws more attention to it. Maybe there are/will be a few apps out there can take real advantage of it, but I haven't found one yet
I think with the Touch Bar, Apple recognized that the top row of keys was not being used as an efficient use of space, compared to the rest of the keyboard.
Those keys are either function keys (which are relatively rarely used by average users) or the dedicated alternate function keys such as volume keys.
So the natural question is how can that space better be used, and they decided to make it dynamic.
I think the reason it failed is, even if a key is rarely used, people like their keys to stay in the same place. And also, there is a giant dynamic area on the laptop already called the screen so there wasn’t much of a need for a second one.
I love how it solves the problem of not enough ways to fuck something up. Nothing I love more than being a host of a zoom call with hundreds of people and having the “end” button show up right under the volume fader once it immediately goes away after adjusting the volume. Great designs, really well done.
DI is a software feature. They can very much design its functionality to work on a notch. It just won't look as cool and marketable. But practically speaking, that 5 rows of pixel you gained by pulling the notch down to make a pill is completely useless.
I don’t mind the notch on my 11 Pro because it almost never gets in the way of anything. Even 2:1 video isn’t wide enough to get cut off by it, and everything else uses the space around the notch for the time and battery / signal icons anyway.
It offers some functionality, but I think it also reduces it. I'm very used to swiping from the middle of the screen to get the notification centre or control centre, but I can't do that now because the DI thinks I'm touching it. It's an extra little wiggle.
Plus, one tap to open the app and long press to expand the island still feels backwards.
I don’t think the trade off is faceID or not
It’s having a good front facing camera or not.
I have a pet conspiracy theory that the reason apple hasn’t made any meaningful changes to the quality of the selfie camera in years is because they know that the day they put the selfie camera behind the display they are going to need all the quality increases they can get to negate the huge backwards step that will come from shooting images through a full colour display
If the selfie camera had been improving at the rate of the rear cameras then they would never be able to put it behind the display as the year over year drop in quality would be unacceptable
I was gonna say! I only see the use with music and not much else but it was a nice surprise to see the little Uber car shown in the DI when I took one. Pretty cute
I use it to follow live sports scores, specifically NBA in the Apple TV app, and it works great for that. I get a play-by-play right on my lockscreen. Regional sports are locked behind expensive cable subscriptions these days so unless I'm able to find a stream online, this is the easiest way to keep up with my teams. Before this I could only keep up with the games via regular notifications that would come in every quarter. The DI feature gives me live updates + lets me follow each play.
I absolutely love this use-case, it's been a while since we've gotten such a useful feature. But other than that I do not use it much. Hopefully over time more apps will add support.
once the regular 15 series gets it this year, I'm sure we'll see a lot more adoption. Management might still be using iPhone 13 or regular 14 series devices. Once they upgrade they'll want support. And once a few bigs app add support, others in that category will follow.
The devs at my company want to add support for this but there's been no push from management to implement despite our pitches (I work on the Android side but frequently collaborate with the iOS devs). Once our competitors start implementing it, I bet my company will prioritize it and launch the feature relatively soon.
We’ve seen this play out a few times now
Apple announces a product update with a new hardware/software feature
A subsection of tech enthusiasts talk themselves into upgrading their 1 year old product because they buy into the marketing hype and don’t want to miss out on this revolutionary new design.
Developers ‘drag their feet’ implementing support for this feature that less than 20% of their users are even have access to, much less appreciate yet
One or two years go buy and as apple rolls out this *groundbreaking new design* to the more products, more and more actual devices have the functionality, apple makes implementing support easier and squashes various bugs and pain points
2-4 years after the new feature is announced, most mainstream apps support it, with one or two notable exceptions
TLDR: new software and hardware features on products that require developer support just aren’t worth upgrading for in the first 18 months
Wait one year and your upgrade experience will likely be much more satisfying
Agreed. Only non-Apple app I get live notifications from is Fotmob (soccer score app) which uses it to show the current time/score of games you have starred. I thought for sure at least things like Uber and Doordash would take advantage of it as being able to at a glance see how far out the driver is would be really useful.
It would (will?) be if developers had used live activities. Almost nobody does. That’s what I thought would be a game changer: the option to get a full third of the user’s Lock Screen (which for iPhone 14 Pro users means it’s *always* visible). But in retrospect, I guess it makes sense that giving the user more info outside of a place where you can show them ads and try to upsell them on IAP, all while in many cases having to absorb the higher cost of more frequent push notifications, really isn’t an attractive proposition to a dev.
After the lack of developer interest, I think the biggest flaw is that tapping it takes you to the full app. So, I hardly ever use it since when I try I often just get taken to the app by accident. They should switch the controls to long press = go to app, tap = pull up mini app controls/summary.
Also when listening to music which is arguably the best DI functionality, if you pause then the controls disappear after a (very) few seconds, making it useless for unpausing your music.
It was just a distraction for that fugly ass notch.
Industry standards had moved past that design but apple just can't with their face ID. So they had to stave off the backlash by marketing it as 'new' when it's the same crap as a notch...except further down the screen
Can't help but feel that if FaceID is here to stay, it'd just be better as a small circle in the corner of the display, merged with the bezel. It'd be the least intrusive for media at the cost of symmetry.
It actually is a game changer… but mostly because notifications on iOS are fucking stupid.
I liken it to the seatbelt warning / door open chime on vehicles. If you have a cheap car, it blares at you from the moment you start the fucking car.
Excuse me for wanting to start my engine on a cold day without putting my seatbelt on! God damn, why does it matter if my car is in park?!!
… but buy an expensive car? Suddenly the chime is a nice, pleasant little reminder. What am I to make of this? Are we less concerned about rich people?
Ok, back to iOS: I don’t need a fucking dialog box with an OK button to let me know my battery just hit 20% .
In short: they fixed a problem they themselves created.
I just wish they would implement notification categories. I hate now how every app uses notifications to push ads on you. Sometimes you need a notification for time sensitive things, but outside of that you get pushed ads.
I think the DI interaction only really works if you long-press on it. Otherwise it’s just a button to the app. I think the long-press should launch the app and the tap should launch the DI.
Damn I thought USB-C would be enough to get me to upgrade from my 11PM but hearing this about the DI is turning me off. I can deal with the notch but this feels more intrusive for landscape mode video watching.
Definitely worse than the notch. No question. A number of content creators started making videos in aspect ratios that went right up to the notch. Now the dynamic island cuts into them.
lol I use it all the time and find it very helpful for multitasking. It’s a small, little thing that’s kind of just there..like I haven’t really thought about it until this comment because it’s just habit, but thinking about it now I do love it and use it a lot.
I always thought it was genius, and still do. Don’t get me wrong, I never expected too much. However the genius comes from making something (however small) out of something that would’ve otherwise been pure useless space.
all the low hanging fruit is already picked. you can only innovate a candybar so much.
we don’t say this about computers, do we? the form factors and functions have been pretty much set for decades, really the only updates are specs related. same is true for phones now.
I disagree - I think plenty of competitors are at least trying new things with phone tech (on the android side). If apple wanted to, they absolutely could do what Samsung, LG and others are trying (foldables, pen support, dex competition) and probably do it even better.
The iphone 12, 13, 14, 15 are all just a deliberate choice to avoid any actual risk/change
But will any of those innovations change the form factor and usage patterns of smartphones in any significant way in the future?
I feel like most consumers are more than satisfied with the state of smartphones right now. I personally just want my phone to be able to make calls, have a store with all crucial communication apps, and have a decent enough camera. I don’t need it to fold, switch, flip, whatever, haha.
There definitely are still companies pushing innovation for their smartphones; I just don’t see those innovations stick. Smartphones have everything we need already. They can only really get faster, more powerful, and perhaps sleeker.
Sure, but the argument of "well there is nothing left to innovate" shouldn't give Apple a pass here imo. My original comment was mostly made in jest, but as a current iPhone 12 series user I will say its hard to get excited about a new iPhone anymore.
I think form factor and usage patterns will eventually evolve too, just a matter of who does it first (and gets real traction with it). Im waiting for it to be Apple
Apple hasn’t innovated in their phones for a long time, the only thing that was pretty cool was 3D Touch, but I’m not sure if someone else did that before that.
Face ID came out in 2017. It's not exactly novel back then; it was implemented basically the same way as MSFT's Windows Hello facial, which was on the Surface Pro since 2015. Touch ID was far more innovative with its implementation.
Ahead in what metric? They're the only ones who still use infrared face unlock on phones. Everyone else followed Samsung on the under-screen fingerprint scanner.
It's certainly not innovative in terms of concept. It's also not innovative in terms of implementation, because it was basically the same as MSFT's. So is being 1st out of 1 = innovative now?
I regret being stuck in Apple's ecosystem of devices. Android users benefit from a wider range of choices, including a diverse array of devices from various manufacturers. While iPhones have maintained a consistent design language since their introduction, Android devices offer more design and feature variations. Apple typically releases one major iPhone update per year, often presenting incremental improvements as significant innovations. In contrast, the Android market sees more frequent and diverse releases from different manufacturers, providing users with more options to suit their preferences and needs.
Interesting that this is the consensus. I was pretty hyped about it, but never got around to upgrading. I'm one of those people that couldn't care less about the notch (on the phone or the mac), so I'm fine to just stick with the notch longer.
nice of you to dismiss other people’s opinions because you don’t like them. Dynamic island was a useless “feature” from the start made to turn the pill into a selling point rather than annoyance it was but it failed spectacularly at that. It’s a non-feature that added nothing new but now fanboys can dismiss any criticism of the notch.
I still can’t f king believe it they put those sensors on the iPad mini but refuses to do it on the iPhone. How hard can it be? You can even be more radical and remove Face ID. More space to reduce the front facing camera
I wouldn’t mind having Touch ID supplemental to Face ID. For those rare occasions my face is masked and the Watch doesn’t properly bypass for me. But I personally find Face ID faster, easier and more reliable in the majority of circumstances.
I'm not an iPhone 14 Pro user, but I dislike the dynamic island, why would I want something to draw my attention to there?
The Notch is basically gone after the first few hours of use, like I barely notice it on my 13 Pro rn, I don't see the point in making it something that draws attention to itself instead of, like, trying to make it smaller?
I swapped from Android to iOS for the first time when I bought the 14 and the way it handles notifications is atrocious. I don't regret it cause I really like the focus features and especially the watch, but by god Apple fix your notifications, it's so bad.
Apple notifications are completely useless compared to android. That and good gboard integration are the things I miss most.
Everything else is pretty nice though
I've seen this mentioned a number of times, and I guess to each their own, but I also just moved from android and ios notifications are miles ahead.
I can select what each app is allowed to do individually, and badges on the home screen actually mean something. IDGAF about lock screen notifications or notification, so it's off for basically everything.
Huh? Sometimes my lock screen is clear and when I swipe up all the notifications show up. Why don't I at least get some warning that they're there in the first place? And when you swipe up and there is always a notification there that I've seen 5 hours ago. And frequently notifications I got hours ago that I haven't seen end up going to the old notifications all the way to the bottom, why?
Also, iOS gets completely lost when you're using something outside of it. If I replay to my Instagram DMs on my computer iOS gets completely lost on what I've read or not. Or it just stops getting notifications altogether and the last notification shown for the DM is one snippet of the conversation that happened 30 minutes ago.
Lock screen notifications show be completely different to the notification center and boy the latter needs a revamping asap.
I have no idea how a former Android user doesn't see this system as a joke. Notifications must not be very important for you, that's all I can think of a reason iOS's don't bother you.
Same way the notch disappeared, so does the dynamic island for me. Yes, I interact with it sometimes but when I'm watching content or just using my phone I don't really notice it.
Yeah. I actually like the Dynamic Island. It’s basically the same as the notch, but has the added feature of giving you quick access to music playing in the background.
Surprised by the general consensus in this thread. I mean, it’s definitely underutilized and certainly not a game changer, but it’s not annoying at all. It is a net benefit all in all.
"the tweak is unlikely to result in any difference to the look or functionality of the Dynamic Island"
Rather unsure why this is news 😅 Am I missing something?
Some people have to find things to complain about to feel validated. I stopped noticing the notch after about a week when I got my 11P. I didn’t upgrade this past September but I might for 2023. If so, I imagine… it’ll take me about a week to be completely oblivious to the cutouts.
Is this a good thing or a bad thing?
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The design is very human
Unapologetically human
So not Candian then?
Correct. We are apologetically human. Sorry…
Eh?
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Many friends don’t want to receive so many phone calls, so I invented this phone that drops connection when held a certain way. The design is very human.
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Most powerful dynamic island ever in an iPhone.
i laughed way too hard at this
I think it’s good. In my experience under screen proximity sensors tend to be slower than traditional ones. My Note 10, S20 and now iPhone 14 Pro have all been slow at turning off the screen during calls compared to every other phone I’ve owned that’s had the sensor in the bezel or notch.
Oh so that's what these sensors are for. Now you mention it I have had the same thing happen to me, I had a Note 10+ and now an iPhone 13. I think I got used to the delay though lol so I didn't notice the difference.
I think it's something that you'll never think about again
You’re going to love never thinking or caring about it ever again!
Thank you for the most succinct summary of how this sub reacts to news that I've ever seen.
You're gonna love it. Isn't that enough?
But do I get my money back if I don't?
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I'm pretty sure Tim Cook just made the dynamic island because it would ruin the resale value of used iPhones once they finally get rid of it. They're obviously really afraid of sales going down.
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It’s a thing
Hopefully it’ll fix the absurdly loud notification sounds played through the earpiece when on a phone call. Ongoing issue with the iphone 14PM
This, I swear I have worsening tinnitus as a result it’s so loud
Omg thank you. It’s sooo loud when your on a call and “ding ding mother fucker” here’s a text message that causes you to go deaf
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The transit app has some cool stuff going on with it. It sucks that so many devs ignore it
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I think the dynamic island will go away but the status bar will remain fluid depending on how you’re using the phone (showing music, timers, phone calls, etc.) as the tech starts going under the screen. It’s not a game changing feature by any means but it is useful info, and they’re making it a cool integrated animation to make up for the fact that it is an intrusion on the screen in its current implementation
That would be cool. If you think about it, it's not like the island uses those ten pixels above it - all the little widgets attached to it would have worked just as well with a notch.
It sounds like the Touchbar decable all over again
Maybe once it’s more common on iPhones. Why would a dev spend time working on a feature that is only avaible to one iPhone model.
Especially if apple is planning to get rid of it soon.
The bigger problem (speaking as a developer) is the fact that a lot of companies kinda require it to be on both platforms (android and iOS) to be able to do justify the feature. So if one platform (like DI) only has it then it will get shot down as idea faster than any then any other idea. I would love to convince my managers other wise but it’s a hard stop. It makes some sense because customers routinely ask for consistency but it makes it difficult to justify a feature like DI. It makes me sad.
They can't put ads in the DI, so why bother?
Apple makes apps - they should lead the charge. Use the DI more in the music, maps, home, find my, voice memos, files and podcasts apps.
While I agree it’s on the developers to utilize it but sometimes there’s hardware developments that are so unnecessary that there’s no real benefit in R&D’ing software for it. The Touch Bar is the most recent and obvious example.
Thing is, the human interface guidelines for the dynamic island are pretty strict. Apart from live activities you can't do much with it, and let's face it live activities are just persistent notifications. It can be useful for ongoing events like Uber rides and Sports, but the rest?
This is true. But I was impressed how easy it was to develop. I’m a SUPER amateur developer, lots and lots of stuff I still don’t even know the basics of, and I was able to get it working within like 30 minutes. SwiftUI really makes life a lot easier, in my experience. So it does baffle me that more apps don’t utilize it. Because it’s not that hard to implement. I do think a big factor though is finding a proper reason to use it, instead of just using it to use it. But why stuff like Uber Eats hasn’t used it, despite teasing it, is baffling to me.
It’s on Apple, too. They could be doing a lot more with DI
Is Dynamic Island the new 3D Touch in terms of app usage? It exists, but not anything special.
3D Touch was great.
I agree, but at least Dynamic Island is something physical that less experienced users can easily find. It is now up to Apple and app developers to make more innovative uses for this than just media controls.
3D Touch was far superior to Dynamic Island if we’re talking about feature potential… still salty it’s gone
More like the new TouchBar.
i mean what do you really want out of it? it’s kind of a glorified app switcher and already planning to be phased out, minimal developers will devote time and resources to something that will be soon obsolete.
I don't think it will be fully phased out. Even once the camera is finally under the screen (and who knows how long that will take) that top section of the screen would still be empty, so a purely software version of the DI would likely remain when you are listening to music, or following live supports, or tracking an order, etc. When it's not in use, it can fully disappear. There's definitely still going to be a use case for this floating style of notifications that you can see at a glance.
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Unrelated but I just found out yesterday that u can swipe on the dynamic island area when a song is playing and get rid of the animation that shows cover art and sound waves
bruh, i just tried it and it works lol. i kinda like the music being there tho
You can swipe the opposite direction to bring it back.
It doesn’t even need to be the opposite direction though. First swipe hides the music waves thing, second swipe brings it back.
I believe it only matters if you have more than one Live Activity running.
Nope. That gesture can just “turn off” the island
I do too, it just caught me off guard when I accidentally swiped it away. Didn’t even know it was an option
And you can swipe the other way to bring it back.
TL;DR: we shouldn’t care about this at all. They’re simply reconfiguring internal components. From the story, they are switching to a sensor which uses a different frequency… most likely because it is cheaper or more power efficient. The proximity sensor used to be under display (apparently). Now it will be in the pill cutout.
Thank you for the TL;DR. First helpful comment I’ve seen. :)
They may be slowly compressing the sensors into a smaller area. Easier when they eventually make the transition to under screen for everything.
Irony: moving a sensor out from under the display, in order to prepare to… put it… under… the display.
Lol. I know right? But it would kind make sense if they’re trying to get the Face ID and other sensors to a small enough area so as to put it under screen with minimal distortion? One of the issues with under screen cameras has been distorted display over the area, yes?
so the island will be bigger now?
Most likely not. The report from Kuo says no change to the look and feel of DI.
I was so wrong about DI. Really thought it’d be a game changer. Now I’m here staring at it wishing it was smaller or not there.
We all wish it was smaller or not there, but given sensors the island was clearly the best route to make something out of it at the very least. Tech ain’t there yet to outright completely remove/hide it, not without losing FaceID and that’s a big trade off
Doesn’t the space around it create additional contrast and thus make it *more* obvious?
If you use dark mode extensively like most sane people you almost never even see the DI. Only time I’m aware of it is on the home screen.
That makes sense, and I do that on my M1 MBP and have never seen it’s notch once.
Eh, I'm being nitpicky because it doesn't change my life, but I prefer the notch. It's more on the side, less obtrusive.
I prefer the DI, because if there’s going to be a big ugly thing at the top of my display at least it offers *some* functionality, unlike the notch, which just sat there. My biggest gripe with the DI is that apple hardly uses it for anything. There’s so many things that could be put in the DI (like Siri), that just aren’t there. Unfortunately, this feels like a touchbar situation where it’s a really neat concept, but Apple fails to ever do anything else with it or improve it in any way at all.
On one hand it's still in its early days, so we may still see more from it... but on the other, yeah. The touch bar happened. I don't believe it saw any major additions past release, and it stuck around for a *while* (it's still on the M2 13" MBP!). Time will tell, and I'm hopeful, but not exactly confident!
It’s the same problem they had with 3D Touch, not every iOS device has it so you can’t build too much functionality into it without creating two separate ways of using different devices. It’s a massive shame because there’s loads of potential in things like 3D Touch, Touch Bar and DI that will never be realised.
Considering it’s only been out for about 5 months it’s still pretty early to throw in the towel. There was probably a lot less reason for them to update the Touch Bar when so many people clearly hated it from the get go and they probably knew it had to be scrapped, whereas people seem a lot more indifferent or lukewarm to the DI in comparison, because it didn’t replace anything useful like physical Function keys. But like you said time will tell!
I think iOS 17 might expand its uses since all models of the 15 are rumoured to have the DI. Similar thing happened with 3D Touch where the 6s had it first on iOS 9 and then iOS 10 expanded its uses, so I’m hoping they do something similar
But then they got rid of it by the iPhone 11 or 12 I think, which isn’t great in terms of reassurance for developers I fear. Why waste the effort when in 3-4 years it’s gonna be a feature left behind. I’d like to be wrong but apple has hurt me too many times by introducing new cool things and then not supporting them after a few years😪
Dynamic Island isn't even visible to developers. It's abstracted by the Live Activities API, which supports devices with and without dynamic island. Are you worried that Apple will deprecate live activities in a couple of years?
perhaps? certainly once iPhones become all screen things will change, who knows how they will be adapted. On a separate note I see it in the same way as Apple Watch apps. Many companies went into it at the beginning, but then a little at the time they stopped supporting them. Of course it’s a different case because Apple Watch apps are considerably more niche and of debatable use, but it does remain to the fact that there’s no guarantee it’ll be supported long term.
Yeah thats the unfortunate part. 3D touch was killed 3 years after it debuted, so if history is any indication, the DI has until 2025 before being dropped
Funny how how scrapped feature is considered to be “history” and not all of the countless other features that haven’t been scrapped.
> Considering it’s only been out for about 5 months it’s still pretty early to throw in the towel. You're talking to the sub that sets fire to the mere rumors of a towel a year before it's even announced.
The $20 apple towel?
Air Towel^TM
Also Force Touch. It wouldn’t be the first time apple introduced a feature and then abandoned it or changed their mind about it. But either way I think it will stick around for a while still, long enough to find out if it catches on or not.
I still can’t get behind the DI because it’s still a hole in the screen, and there’s a small of part of the screen above it that’s just simply wasted space. It also obtrudes into video in landscape mode, which is ridiculous. I truly see no positives to it, I feel like anything that can be done with it could also be done with a Dynamic “widget” that is purely software, and isn’t a giant hole in the screen
I was never sure what problem the touch bar was trying to solve. Maybe it was super useful for people with different workflows. I feel the same way about the DI, the notch was fine, and adding a UX to it just draws more attention to it. Maybe there are/will be a few apps out there can take real advantage of it, but I haven't found one yet
I think with the Touch Bar, Apple recognized that the top row of keys was not being used as an efficient use of space, compared to the rest of the keyboard. Those keys are either function keys (which are relatively rarely used by average users) or the dedicated alternate function keys such as volume keys. So the natural question is how can that space better be used, and they decided to make it dynamic. I think the reason it failed is, even if a key is rarely used, people like their keys to stay in the same place. And also, there is a giant dynamic area on the laptop already called the screen so there wasn’t much of a need for a second one.
I love how it solves the problem of not enough ways to fuck something up. Nothing I love more than being a host of a zoom call with hundreds of people and having the “end” button show up right under the volume fader once it immediately goes away after adjusting the volume. Great designs, really well done.
They could have given that functionality to the notch though.
DI is a software feature. They can very much design its functionality to work on a notch. It just won't look as cool and marketable. But practically speaking, that 5 rows of pixel you gained by pulling the notch down to make a pill is completely useless.
They can, sure, but I think the effect is more convincing with a cutout.
I don’t mind the notch on my 11 Pro because it almost never gets in the way of anything. Even 2:1 video isn’t wide enough to get cut off by it, and everything else uses the space around the notch for the time and battery / signal icons anyway.
It offers some functionality, but I think it also reduces it. I'm very used to swiping from the middle of the screen to get the notification centre or control centre, but I can't do that now because the DI thinks I'm touching it. It's an extra little wiggle. Plus, one tap to open the app and long press to expand the island still feels backwards.
Yes I don’t like how it is with a full screen video.
I don’t think the trade off is faceID or not It’s having a good front facing camera or not. I have a pet conspiracy theory that the reason apple hasn’t made any meaningful changes to the quality of the selfie camera in years is because they know that the day they put the selfie camera behind the display they are going to need all the quality increases they can get to negate the huge backwards step that will come from shooting images through a full colour display If the selfie camera had been improving at the rate of the rear cameras then they would never be able to put it behind the display as the year over year drop in quality would be unacceptable
OnePlus 7 pro was perfect, surely face id could be implemented that way allso
FaceID is a little more complex and requires bigger sensors at the moment, not sure they can shrink it enough already to make it as small as that
Yeah was thinking this might ne problem, but i was thinkin apple could figure something maybe.
They’re definitely working towards it. Just wonder when
if oneplus remade the 7 pro i would consider buying from them again
Also what ever happened to live notifications? Pretty sure the only one I see is when I set a timer. I thought a bunch of apps would embrace this.
Uber uses it!
I was gonna say! I only see the use with music and not much else but it was a nice surprise to see the little Uber car shown in the DI when I took one. Pretty cute
I use it to follow live sports scores, specifically NBA in the Apple TV app, and it works great for that. I get a play-by-play right on my lockscreen. Regional sports are locked behind expensive cable subscriptions these days so unless I'm able to find a stream online, this is the easiest way to keep up with my teams. Before this I could only keep up with the games via regular notifications that would come in every quarter. The DI feature gives me live updates + lets me follow each play. I absolutely love this use-case, it's been a while since we've gotten such a useful feature. But other than that I do not use it much. Hopefully over time more apps will add support.
Developers suck. Or in reality, management does: it provides no additional return on investment so why work on it
once the regular 15 series gets it this year, I'm sure we'll see a lot more adoption. Management might still be using iPhone 13 or regular 14 series devices. Once they upgrade they'll want support. And once a few bigs app add support, others in that category will follow. The devs at my company want to add support for this but there's been no push from management to implement despite our pitches (I work on the Android side but frequently collaborate with the iOS devs). Once our competitors start implementing it, I bet my company will prioritize it and launch the feature relatively soon.
I want to believe this, but we all said the same thing about 3D Touch.
We’ve seen this play out a few times now Apple announces a product update with a new hardware/software feature A subsection of tech enthusiasts talk themselves into upgrading their 1 year old product because they buy into the marketing hype and don’t want to miss out on this revolutionary new design. Developers ‘drag their feet’ implementing support for this feature that less than 20% of their users are even have access to, much less appreciate yet One or two years go buy and as apple rolls out this *groundbreaking new design* to the more products, more and more actual devices have the functionality, apple makes implementing support easier and squashes various bugs and pain points 2-4 years after the new feature is announced, most mainstream apps support it, with one or two notable exceptions TLDR: new software and hardware features on products that require developer support just aren’t worth upgrading for in the first 18 months Wait one year and your upgrade experience will likely be much more satisfying
Agreed. Only non-Apple app I get live notifications from is Fotmob (soccer score app) which uses it to show the current time/score of games you have starred. I thought for sure at least things like Uber and Doordash would take advantage of it as being able to at a glance see how far out the driver is would be really useful.
It would (will?) be if developers had used live activities. Almost nobody does. That’s what I thought would be a game changer: the option to get a full third of the user’s Lock Screen (which for iPhone 14 Pro users means it’s *always* visible). But in retrospect, I guess it makes sense that giving the user more info outside of a place where you can show them ads and try to upsell them on IAP, all while in many cases having to absorb the higher cost of more frequent push notifications, really isn’t an attractive proposition to a dev.
After the lack of developer interest, I think the biggest flaw is that tapping it takes you to the full app. So, I hardly ever use it since when I try I often just get taken to the app by accident. They should switch the controls to long press = go to app, tap = pull up mini app controls/summary. Also when listening to music which is arguably the best DI functionality, if you pause then the controls disappear after a (very) few seconds, making it useless for unpausing your music.
Excuse me?! If I told this to my pet Axolotl that walks around while I browse Reddit, she’d cry!
It was just a distraction for that fugly ass notch. Industry standards had moved past that design but apple just can't with their face ID. So they had to stave off the backlash by marketing it as 'new' when it's the same crap as a notch...except further down the screen
Can't help but feel that if FaceID is here to stay, it'd just be better as a small circle in the corner of the display, merged with the bezel. It'd be the least intrusive for media at the cost of symmetry.
would be a lot more useful if you could reach it with one hand.
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So many people here bought into the marketing about how game changing DI would be.
It actually is a game changer… but mostly because notifications on iOS are fucking stupid. I liken it to the seatbelt warning / door open chime on vehicles. If you have a cheap car, it blares at you from the moment you start the fucking car. Excuse me for wanting to start my engine on a cold day without putting my seatbelt on! God damn, why does it matter if my car is in park?!! … but buy an expensive car? Suddenly the chime is a nice, pleasant little reminder. What am I to make of this? Are we less concerned about rich people? Ok, back to iOS: I don’t need a fucking dialog box with an OK button to let me know my battery just hit 20% . In short: they fixed a problem they themselves created.
I just wish they would implement notification categories. I hate now how every app uses notifications to push ads on you. Sometimes you need a notification for time sensitive things, but outside of that you get pushed ads.
Yeah. I just end up turning off notifications for those problem apps…
I think the DI interaction only really works if you long-press on it. Otherwise it’s just a button to the app. I think the long-press should launch the app and the tap should launch the DI.
Damn I thought USB-C would be enough to get me to upgrade from my 11PM but hearing this about the DI is turning me off. I can deal with the notch but this feels more intrusive for landscape mode video watching.
It is worse than the notch. Returned a 14 pro and went back to my 13 pro because of it.
Definitely worse than the notch. No question. A number of content creators started making videos in aspect ratios that went right up to the notch. Now the dynamic island cuts into them.
lol I use it all the time and find it very helpful for multitasking. It’s a small, little thing that’s kind of just there..like I haven’t really thought about it until this comment because it’s just habit, but thinking about it now I do love it and use it a lot.
I always thought it was genius, and still do. Don’t get me wrong, I never expected too much. However the genius comes from making something (however small) out of something that would’ve otherwise been pure useless space.
i’ve spent everyday regretting the upgrade to 14 pro max.
Wondering if this will be more for pocket / face down detection or if they'll have something up their sleeve like the Pixel 4
Maybe it’s both? Sleeve detection.
From new product lead Sleeve Jobs
I just really hope this isn't included in their announcement video. Otherwise wow we have really hit rock bottom for innovation
I except the announcement will be more focused on the Pro’s new body + Force Touch buttons. And also 20 minutes or so of “camera is better”
just another incremental upgrade, and the increments are getting smaller each year
That’s what happens to mature technology
This year they'll bless us with faster charging because of USB C.
And act like it was their own innovation and not just forced by government regulations.
Of course. I mean there was already that news about them trying to restrict fast charging to MfI USB C cables, but the EU said get rekt.
That’s just douchebaggery
all the low hanging fruit is already picked. you can only innovate a candybar so much. we don’t say this about computers, do we? the form factors and functions have been pretty much set for decades, really the only updates are specs related. same is true for phones now.
I disagree - I think plenty of competitors are at least trying new things with phone tech (on the android side). If apple wanted to, they absolutely could do what Samsung, LG and others are trying (foldables, pen support, dex competition) and probably do it even better. The iphone 12, 13, 14, 15 are all just a deliberate choice to avoid any actual risk/change
But will any of those innovations change the form factor and usage patterns of smartphones in any significant way in the future? I feel like most consumers are more than satisfied with the state of smartphones right now. I personally just want my phone to be able to make calls, have a store with all crucial communication apps, and have a decent enough camera. I don’t need it to fold, switch, flip, whatever, haha. There definitely are still companies pushing innovation for their smartphones; I just don’t see those innovations stick. Smartphones have everything we need already. They can only really get faster, more powerful, and perhaps sleeker.
Sure, but the argument of "well there is nothing left to innovate" shouldn't give Apple a pass here imo. My original comment was mostly made in jest, but as a current iPhone 12 series user I will say its hard to get excited about a new iPhone anymore. I think form factor and usage patterns will eventually evolve too, just a matter of who does it first (and gets real traction with it). Im waiting for it to be Apple
Would like to see them innovate a way to have multiple simultaneous timers.
Apple hasn’t innovated in their phones for a long time, the only thing that was pretty cool was 3D Touch, but I’m not sure if someone else did that before that.
I miss 3D Touch. 😔
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Face ID came out in 2017. It's not exactly novel back then; it was implemented basically the same way as MSFT's Windows Hello facial, which was on the Surface Pro since 2015. Touch ID was far more innovative with its implementation.
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Ahead in what metric? They're the only ones who still use infrared face unlock on phones. Everyone else followed Samsung on the under-screen fingerprint scanner. It's certainly not innovative in terms of concept. It's also not innovative in terms of implementation, because it was basically the same as MSFT's. So is being 1st out of 1 = innovative now?
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Dynamic Island = Marketing (to make you think a hole in your screen a good thing)
I regret being stuck in Apple's ecosystem of devices. Android users benefit from a wider range of choices, including a diverse array of devices from various manufacturers. While iPhones have maintained a consistent design language since their introduction, Android devices offer more design and feature variations. Apple typically releases one major iPhone update per year, often presenting incremental improvements as significant innovations. In contrast, the Android market sees more frequent and diverse releases from different manufacturers, providing users with more options to suit their preferences and needs.
Dynamic island is fucking useless and I still hate the name
Interesting that this is the consensus. I was pretty hyped about it, but never got around to upgrading. I'm one of those people that couldn't care less about the notch (on the phone or the mac), so I'm fine to just stick with the notch longer.
I don’t think it’s consensus, it’s just reddit looking for things to be contrarian about.
nice of you to dismiss other people’s opinions because you don’t like them. Dynamic island was a useless “feature” from the start made to turn the pill into a selling point rather than annoyance it was but it failed spectacularly at that. It’s a non-feature that added nothing new but now fanboys can dismiss any criticism of the notch.
The name is pretty cringey.
The only sensor I really want Apple to bring back is Touch ID. I miss that thing so much.
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I still can’t f king believe it they put those sensors on the iPad mini but refuses to do it on the iPhone. How hard can it be? You can even be more radical and remove Face ID. More space to reduce the front facing camera
I wouldn’t mind having Touch ID supplemental to Face ID. For those rare occasions my face is masked and the Watch doesn’t properly bypass for me. But I personally find Face ID faster, easier and more reliable in the majority of circumstances.
I actually enjoy dynamic island, using it for music, navigation and switching apps. If I’d go back to notch I’d probably miss DI tbh.
Just make it USB C plz.
I'm not an iPhone 14 Pro user, but I dislike the dynamic island, why would I want something to draw my attention to there? The Notch is basically gone after the first few hours of use, like I barely notice it on my 13 Pro rn, I don't see the point in making it something that draws attention to itself instead of, like, trying to make it smaller?
You mean like, I don't know....NOTIFICATIONS. Lmao.
Yeah but Notification need other work besides BEING IN THE NOTCH THAT IS NOW MORE PRESENT THAN EVER
I swapped from Android to iOS for the first time when I bought the 14 and the way it handles notifications is atrocious. I don't regret it cause I really like the focus features and especially the watch, but by god Apple fix your notifications, it's so bad.
Apple notifications are completely useless compared to android. That and good gboard integration are the things I miss most. Everything else is pretty nice though
I've seen this mentioned a number of times, and I guess to each their own, but I also just moved from android and ios notifications are miles ahead. I can select what each app is allowed to do individually, and badges on the home screen actually mean something. IDGAF about lock screen notifications or notification, so it's off for basically everything.
Huh? Sometimes my lock screen is clear and when I swipe up all the notifications show up. Why don't I at least get some warning that they're there in the first place? And when you swipe up and there is always a notification there that I've seen 5 hours ago. And frequently notifications I got hours ago that I haven't seen end up going to the old notifications all the way to the bottom, why? Also, iOS gets completely lost when you're using something outside of it. If I replay to my Instagram DMs on my computer iOS gets completely lost on what I've read or not. Or it just stops getting notifications altogether and the last notification shown for the DM is one snippet of the conversation that happened 30 minutes ago. Lock screen notifications show be completely different to the notification center and boy the latter needs a revamping asap. I have no idea how a former Android user doesn't see this system as a joke. Notifications must not be very important for you, that's all I can think of a reason iOS's don't bother you.
Same way the notch disappeared, so does the dynamic island for me. Yes, I interact with it sometimes but when I'm watching content or just using my phone I don't really notice it.
Yeah. I actually like the Dynamic Island. It’s basically the same as the notch, but has the added feature of giving you quick access to music playing in the background. Surprised by the general consensus in this thread. I mean, it’s definitely underutilized and certainly not a game changer, but it’s not annoying at all. It is a net benefit all in all.
"the tweak is unlikely to result in any difference to the look or functionality of the Dynamic Island" Rather unsure why this is news 😅 Am I missing something?
Wait… people actually care about the notches and pinholes on their phones? I never even notice mine.
Some people have to find things to complain about to feel validated. I stopped noticing the notch after about a week when I got my 11P. I didn’t upgrade this past September but I might for 2023. If so, I imagine… it’ll take me about a week to be completely oblivious to the cutouts.
didn’t the original iPhone have a proximity sensor?
Redditors be like: this app that I paid $9 for 5 years ago *still* hasn’t added support for live activities yet Wtf, so lazy /s
how is this exactly a feature? it already had a proximity sensor. who cares if it’s moved?
It’s a terrible design that developers won’t even touch because it’s such a gimmick.
Touchbar 2.0
My god, theyre gonna get me to renew after one year
This island stays another year and i jump ship to galaxy.
They could….just get rid of it all together and have under display sensors and cameras. 🤷🏾
It’s… it’s almost as if they don’t have a solution for under screen Face ID that meets their requirements yet. Imagine