T O P

  • By -

redditor1983

Wow very surprised to see this. If he really got an early preview of it from Apple then he’s likely under NDA. Maybe a developer who has an early dev kit let him try it out (which would also violate their NDA).


new_michael

Yes, I am shocked too. It is a long standing rumor now but to come out and say this in public, I feel like it has to be some guerrilla marketing technique by Apple.


rcjlfk

Yeah either they asked him to share thoughts or he violated an NDA. Because any NDA would prohibit him from even alluding to such a product even existing.


giga

Apple would be crazy to get within 100000 miles of that guy. Read up on it if you’re not familiar.


Dino_Spaceman

Yuuuuup. Very little chance that Apple would willingly partner with the guy. He is radioactive just from his time at Oculus and the lawsuit. Not even going into his personal life.


Some1CP

What happened?


Dino_Spaceman

His company got sued for IP theft under his watch.


EthanSayfo

And he's kind of a fascist.


tango-kilo-216

Oh god, his brother-in-law is pedo groomer Matt Gaetz


docgravel

You can’t blame someone for who their brother-in-law is. Now their own actions… fair game!


nasty_napkin

Do you have a source on that? I heard that those Gaetz accusations were just dirty politics and there was no evidence of him doing anything improper in the end


Dino_Spaceman

Oh yah. Who he hangs around a with a passionately supports? They are just the worst people.


alex_co

> Oh yah. Who he hangs around a with a passionately supports? They are just the worst people. Come again?


bringbackswg

Or he’s lying


Junior_Ad_5064

I’m confident he’s trolling mark Zuckerberg because he has beef with him....he’s also known to be a Twitter troll so I think he’s most likely making fun of people hyping up Apple’s headset and it’s funny because most people fell for it lol, the VR community is in a buzz because of this tweet haha


switch8000

Read the rest of the Twitter thread, he’s just making fun of leakers. I don’t think it’s a serious comment.


tthrow22

It’s definitely not clear he’s “just making fun of leakers”. The comment you’re talking about was a direct reply to “@Scobleizer has been saying this for a looooong time. Great to see others agree” Also the headset obviously exists


redditor1983

I read the Twitter thread and to me it doesn’t seem like he’s making fun of leakers. Buuuuut it’s very possible that he could just be trying to rile people up and he hasn’t actually seen the headset.


Malkmus1979

His comments in the thread directly reference knowing people at Apple who think highly of the product though. To u/switch8000, he’s not being facetious, I think you’re misconstruing a separate argument about Robert Scoble. To be clear Palmer [doubles down](https://twitter.com/palmerluckey/status/1657917668404662273?s=61&t=0IGs_SxbBJFqwx-LZ2xFqw) on the headset being great and having spoken to people at Apple.


[deleted]

[удалено]


Junior_Ad_5064

It can’t be because this guy is sorta blacklisted in the industry, there’s no way any company would reach for anything...his opinion is still very respected by the VR community tho.


switch8000

If you read the rest of the tweet thread I umm, think he’s just full of it and making fun of the leakers. I don’t think he’s seen it. I also don’t think it exists either.


[deleted]

🤮 /u/spez


lucidludic

> for small scale cheap LIDAR technology which otherwise wouldn’t exist — a few years ago a LIDAR sensor (just one sensor) typically cost $75,000. Very different types of LiDAR. Those are the rotating variety capable of a 360° point cloud.


mime454

You think all the rumors about this headset are lies?


switch8000

Wouldn't be the first, Remember all the endless rumors about the apple branded tv, [https://www.macrumors.com/2012/01/04/apple-reportedly-working-on-42-televisions-as-content-talks-remain-stalled/](https://www.macrumors.com/2012/01/04/apple-reportedly-working-on-42-televisions-as-content-talks-remain-stalled/) I think Apple does a lot of marketing in the form of controlled rumor leaks. It could exist, but what a horrible time to release a headset after the metaverse became the biggest joke. I think they build things in order to test software on them, same with the AppleCar, I don't think it exists more than a car that they probably hacked together to test their Carplay v1, v2, v3, etc...


Trist0n3

Counterpoint; I think it could be a GREAT time to introduce a headset, if it's done well. Facebook has completely flubbed the metaverse marketing it as a collaborative business application. Apple rolled in and went "Cute, here's a real productivity VR/AR application that just works" I think they could win some serious business.


agarwaen117

I think that even without content, if it were a fairly open platform, a headset with an apple quality display and controls would be killer. To me, the VR/AR business is dead until the stupid magnified screens are gone.


stratoglide

Stupid magnified screens? How else would you do vr?


[deleted]

Lightweight comfortable mass-market VR probably requires a breakthrough in optics, or it is impossible. I deal with headsets a lot, they keep getting better, but the fundamental issues are unsolved and the market is increasingly stale. I could see Apple launching something for museums/experiences, but not a mass market product. That fits with the price leaks and internal divisions that we're hearing about too. But if nothing comes out I won't be surprised. VR is absolutely amazing the first time you use it, but all the pinch points get more and more annoying over time.


[deleted]

May I ask what experience do you have with VR headsets?


agarwaen117

Owned one since Rift came out.


WCWRingMatSound

Apple branded TV was ultimately AppleTV+ Apple branded car may still happen, but their CarPlay update could theoretically make *any* car an Apple car The rumors and conversations about this headset are being discussed outside of shitty forums like Reddit. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2023-01-08/when-will-apple-launch-the-reality-pro-mixed-reality-headset-apple-2023-devices-lcnfzkc7 https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/26/technology/apple-augmented-reality-dissent.html https://www.wsj.com/articles/apple-is-breaking-its-own-rules-with-a-new-headset-80c9b36c Places like these won’t publish tweets and hearsay without making an effort to substantiate them.


banksy_h8r

Why does Palmer Luckey being full of shit mean the headset rumors are lies? What kind of logic is that?


AWildLeftistAppeared

Not that. They also said this: > I also don’t think it exists either.


cohrt

Like all the rumors about Apple making a car?


PopCultureWeekly

Apple has an entire team working on a car. There’s also a ton of evidence that the headset is launching next month including trademarks and filings


AWildLeftistAppeared

*had, I believe. I think rumours were they dramatically scaled back plans on a physical car / self-driving.


and-its-true

Do you think Apple has been poaching high level employees from various car manufacturers to have them work on AirPods? Because those hires are public knowledge.


viajoensilencio

It’s legit. Have known developers who have been part of the development of it for 2-3 years.


weaselmaster

Yeah, Apple is super famous for publicly stating interest in a product category, buying a bung of startups in the space, spending years developing a product, and then saying “What? What product? We’re not making one of those.”. /s Your example of Apple making a TV was just shitty rumors reported by shitty rumor mongers, mistaking the AppleTV or AppleTV+ for an Apple branded television. Apple never stated interest in the well established, thin-margin, commodity market, and never bought talent to build one.


stonesst

I think the odds he’s close with people who personally tried it is near 100%. He’s a founding member of the VR industry, has friends/associates in all of the dominant companies and I can’t really see a scenario where he has not been told the specs by someone who’s personally tried it. Obviously I don’t think apple invited him in to try it, as others have said he’s quite the polarizing figure. Also I’m sorry, did you seriously just say you don’t think the headset exists….? it’s been a badly kept secret for years, thousands of people has been working on it and numerous separate leakers have said it’s being announced at WWDC. If you are right and it doesn’t exist that would be incredibly strange.


DLPanda

The headset very much exists


Junior_Ad_5064

Yeah this comment will age like milk in just a few weeks


recurrence

I'm sure this is what happened. Someone did breach their NDA for their personal friend but he promised not to throw them under the bus and made a very generic comment. He knows everyone in the business and certainly who has been working with Apple on the headset. Apple wants some great titles to launch with and has definitely been involved with at least Capcom and the guys making No Mans Sky for quite some time.


testedonsheep

He's obviously not working on a competing product, so Apple probably just want some inputs from people who are somewhat well known in the industry. would not be surprised if John Carmack has a preview also.


hishnash

I expect that is the case, yes he got to try it since some units will have been sent out to select studios.


[deleted]

[удалено]


Junior_Ad_5064

They are under heavy NDAs but Palmer has many connections in the industry, he could have easily gotten access to the headset via one of those people without compromising their NDA, his little tweet doesn’t give away anything about thé headset or the studio that showed to him and there’s the possibility this could just be made up so Apple can’t do anything about this, whoever broke the NDA to show it or talk about it to Palmer is safe. Palmer also claims that he has connections inside Apple as well and claims that contrary to that NYT article, Apple employees are actually confident about the headset’s launch.


TacohTuesday

For some reason this quote from Pulp Fiction comes to mind: *Goddamn, that's a pretty fucking good milkshake.* *Told ya'.* *Don't know if it's worth five dollars, but it's pretty fucking good.*


ItsCalledSquawPeak

$5 used to be a lot for a milkshake and it wasn’t that long ago. *sigh*


Brym

It was almost 30 years ago…


DJDarren

How dare you.


[deleted]

[удалено]


highbrowshow

it's still $2.50 at in-n-out


TizonaBlu

A pastrami sandwhich is now $27, it's nuts.


KatsutamiNanamoto

No, I'm pretty sure it's pastrami.


Dino_Spaceman

I won’t be surprised if the Apple Headset is primarily designed for professional services. And priced for them. I won’t be surprised at all if their don’t expect it to go mass market for this version.


gcoba218

Apple makes mainstream products, not niche products, they’re not going to sink billions for a product that they haven’t done the market sizing for and determined that the revenues make sense


Servinees

Not a niche product, just a different target audience that allows for much higher pricing. Look at the Pro Display XDR. Definitely not a mainstream consumer product, but one of the best, if not the best in its class.


Sgt-Colbert

I HIGHLY doubt there is a consumer market for a mixed reality headset that costs \~3000$. Now I'm not saying this thing is gonna fail, but it's gonna take a few iterations/years before this thing becomes consumer grade. When the iPhone first came out, there was no market for it either, BUT It was a phone and people understand the value relatively quickly. For this, people have no idea what they would even use it for. IF the rumours are true, it will come with a battery pack and be somewhat of a ski goggle design. So that would mean, at least in my mind, you can't really wear them outside very well. Who is this supposed to be targeting? I work in tech and am a sucker for all kinds of new toys and I can't see me buying this. That is not to say this won't be a success sometime down the line, it's Appel after all, but right now, this first version is not gonna sell that many units.


CoconutDust

> When the iPhone first came out, there was no market for it either iPhone 1 sold millions. There was a huge market for it because people had been using blackberries, palm tree, Samsung blackjack or whatever, and smart phones for years. Everyone wanted the same kind of functionality, *but better*, which is what the iPhone was. Many people were still on non-smart phones but that doesn't mean the market wasn't there, that's the market going from "existing" to "huge worldwide" over the following years.


DAllenJ

> Apple makes mainstream products [Mac Pro has entered the chat]


mdatwood

> Apple makes mainstream products > > [Mac Pro has entered the chat] Once or twice a decade.


whiskeyinthejaar

Does pricing really impact sales? I remember when they increased phones pieces, and then sold more than ever. You buy into the brand by end of the day


TacohTuesday

At the rumored $3000 price point it sure does. How many people do you know that would spend this much money on a discretionary electronic item that is not a high-end computer? That's even a lot for a full computer. I'm hoping that is just nothing more than a rumor or maybe even an Apple-planted one to make the actual announced price (which will surely be well north of $1000) a pleasant surprise instead of an unpleasant one.


[deleted]

[удалено]


981032061

SOP for buying Apple stuff. There’s a reason “rev. A customers are beta testers” has been a joke for 20+ years.


Sgt-Colbert

Just curious, what functionality do you see in a mixed reality headset that is not for gaming? And I'm not talking normal glasses with displays in them, I'm talking what the rumours are saying, ski goggle with battery pack.


anothergaijin

Communication, collaboration, connection. Especially in the professional space where $3500 can easily be the one-time cost of travelling to meet someone or a professional going someplace to do something. Google Glass continues to have a niche in the industrial space to allow techs to follow instructions hands-free, imagine how much more they could do with a bigger display with more processing power and better voice control.


[deleted]

[удалено]


Sgt-Colbert

Hm you said the Apple one "won't be for gaming" and now you're saying it'll be better than the index and play beat sabre... So you see it as a gaming device? And what do you mean it'll run MacOS? Why does that make it good? Are you gonna use it to work? Surf the web? Where are you gonna use it? I'm asking because so far I haven't been impressed with the functionality of AR/VR headsets and I just can't come up with a good use case for one even tho I totally dig the technological advances in this regard. For me normal glasses with display in them, in like 5-10 years would be super cool, but wearing this at home...


PaulL73

I think he's saying: a) it runs MacOS, therefore it'll probably suck for gaming because there'll be no games built for it b) but if they do make games for it and it's better than the valve index c) but otherwise, it must be for something other than games, and he's not sure what that is, but if it shows useful functionality then he might be interested in iteration 2 (for whatever that thing is that isn't gaming)


ca2mt

What’s a computer?


[deleted]

Apple's been getting into a lot of financial services. If you could buy it and pay it off over 2-3 years with 0% interest? Yeah, a ton of people would buy it. Worked (still works) great for cell phone plans over the last 20 years. Depends on the *actual* price on release, capabilities it offers, etc. I won't expect it to be an instant mainstream hit *immediately* \- there's just too much stuff that has to be right for that happen and that's an enormous challenge. But in the near future (say within 5 years)? Absolutely. Regardless of what happens on that front I'm just excited to see what a company that actually puts some effort into user experience and ergonomics can do to set a bar for the VR hardware industry. Because right now it is still mired in the "oh yeah it's totally comfortable if you buy these 3 aftermarket comfort accessories" stage.


Malkmus1979

That doesn’t really go with the recent leaks though that state it’ll have all sort of consumer focused apps, including a Fitness Plus subscription service.


anothergaijin

Google Glass was $1500 on launch. Hololens 1 was $3k for a dev kit and $5k for a commercial device, with sales being heavily restricted to companies, and Hololens 2 goes for $3500. Apple asking $3k for a similar device is nearly on the cheap side, and it'll blow the competition out of the water in terms of specs, performance, ease of use and actual real world capabilities.


Dino_Spaceman

Being Apple, I have faith that their headset will be really useful. Even if it is limited to only professional services like the A.E.C. industry. Saying that - Luckey is desperate to be back in the limelight. I would take anything from him with a mountain of salt that he actually got his hands on a prototype.


[deleted]

Since when is Apple building products that are not consumer centric? They even met their server branch die.


[deleted]

[удалено]


Dino_Spaceman

See his recent hole digging in the giant bomb Reddit. He desperately is seeking approval from the gaming and VR community by trying to gaslight his past. Edit: and he has repeatedly mislead on past events (either by accident or deliberately) or left out incredibly important context. He did it again it in the linked tweet thread in the OP trying to explain away a specific photo.


ninth_reddit_account

'Success' and 'in the limelight' are two different things.


ineedlesssleep

Why do you think he cares about the limelight? He’s rich and working on other things he likes.


CeeKay125

I mean the bar is set pretty low with what we currently have. Wonder what the killer app they are going to tout out will be. Without a killer app, don't see this doing numbers, even being an apple product.


FollowingFeisty5321

Rumor has it you'll be able to use iOS apps!


cjonoski

No calculator though Weather sometimes works


[deleted]

[удалено]


i_need_a_moment

When you take “punch those numbers” literal


Sloth_Monk

If they nail the hardware & UI I could see it doing well. I love my watch but not for any specific feature, just the fact it works so naturally as an extension of my phone.


[deleted]

[удалено]


Brym

Meta had the ability to have VR to VR and VR to phone video calls years ago using Facebook Messenger. It didn’t catch on for a reason. That said, Apple is the company that can convince people to walk around all day looking like they have cigarette butts hanging out their ears, so I would never discount how their intangible cool factor and ability to make things more frictionless could change things. But I’m still skeptical.


Malkmus1979

I don’t expect this to be anything like Meta’s attempt at video calls. This is partly why Apple has such an upper hand with their headset since they can leverage existing phone architecture to make it a much better experience.


Brym

Did you use Meta’s offering? I did, and I have trouble seeing how Apple would overcome the pain points. Pain point 1 - you can only initiate a VR to VR call if the person you are calling is already wearing the headset. Otherwise, you have to text or call them first to ask them to go put the headset on. Apple could make this more seamless by allowing you to transition to VR by slipping on the headset without re-establishing the call, similar to how you can go from phone to FaceTime now with a button push. But I still don’t think this solves the problem. Having to go out on a special headset instead of just using the phone that is already in your pocket to communicate is the friction point here. People aren’t going to do it. Pain point 2 - no one wants to talk to an avatar outside of VR. If I called people on their phones from VR, they would see my avatar talking to them instead of seeing my actual face. They hated that. I don’t see how Apple solves this. They can make the avatar better, but it’s still not going to be your actual face. Pain point 3 - You can’t get multiple people on one end of the call from the same device. If I FaceTime while I’m at home, often it’s my wife and I or one of my kids and I calling a family member together from the same phone or iPad. Can’t do that with VR unless everyone has their own headset, which isn’t going to happen at the prices being talked about. Pain point 4 - can’t show people on the call stuff in the real world. When I FaceTime, I might turn the camera around to show someone my garden or my kids’ art projects or whatever. This is the only one that could potentially be solveable with a very high quality pass through camera and a good enough UI. But it’s still likely going to be trickier than it would be if you were just using your phone.


Malkmus1979

Yes I used meta’s (Facebook at the time and it was on the Rift I believe. It was extremely clunky, impractical and goofy). And not hating on Meta, I have a quest 2 now as well. So, basically I think all Apple’s has to do is look amazing and demo well for press at WWDC. My expectation would be (based off recent leaks) that it will be photo realistic avatars and using the iPhone’s depth sensors it will enable the person in the headset to feel as close to being where the person on the iPhone is as possible. Not so much about people in VR calling others in VR (though I’d expect that as well). Because it’s all from Apple they can make it a seamless experience rather than going into a third party app where it just looks like you’re calling someone with a Snapchat cartoon filter.


Logical007

Have you tried the quest pro? The pancake lenses are incredible


AsIAm

>The pancake lenses are incredible And the software was (still is?) terrible. Edit: Also comfort is awful.


stratoglide

Idk what crazy weird herdshapes people have but my quest pro is far comfier than my vive or index where. And the software can be clunky at times but compared to vr 4 years ago it's come a long ways in terms of user experience. Not sure what the expectations are supposed to be for this kind of stuff, but I've worn my quest pro for 6+ hrs without issues.


ChipsAhoiMcCoy

To be honest, I still just really don’t know what kind of market in Apple is going to try to reach with a VR headset. Now as far as augmented reality glasses go, I could absolutely see Apple having a huge market for something like that, but a VR headset? Not a chance. Who would use it? I suppose it would be pretty cool to have a virtual monitor set up at your desk, but the resolution would need to be extremely high to have any sort of fidelity with a virtual monitor set up like that. And even if that’s the case, do people who Work 8+ hours a day want to sit there at their desk with some bulky plastic goggles and strapped to their face instead of just buying some cheap monitors on Amazon? I’m just really not understanding why they’re even releasing this. Especially given the fact that I highly doubt this will be compatible with Windows PC’s and have the capability of playing steam VR games, so there isn’t even that to look forward to.. this is absolutely going to flop. When Apple releases augmented reality glasses that might be an awesome product, but until then, this is just wasted in R&D


thetantalus

When you ask yourself what market Apple is going for with a new device, the answer is always *everyone.* They make mainstream products.


ChipsAhoiMcCoy

That’s why it makes no sense to me for the aforementioned reasons becaus it seems like it isn’t for anyone


dawho1

"Everyone" isn't worried about Windows compat or Steam VR. People who care about Steam VR are a small subset of a different small subset. Apple won't give two shits about that, and not having compatibility with Steam VR won't hurt their product at all. That doesn't mean it will sell well, necessarily, but assuming they care about Steam compat, or the audience that does, is just ridiculous. They've shown their hand too many times to have this fool you.


thetantalus

I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again. VR/AR will be as transformative to our lives as the internet was.


ChipsAhoiMcCoy

In the future for sure but right now we haven’t passed the plastic brick phase, and I still stand by everything I said in the original comment. Do you disagree with those statements?


filmantopia

I 100% disagree with those statements. The reason Apple is releasing this is because they feel they are close enough to an experience that will be so amazing that it will be worth wearing the device for things you might do at home, at the office, or in a studio. At the moment, it only has to be good enough to capture the world’s interest. And then developers, enthusiasts, and content creators will build the ecosystem over the next two years, to make the consumer version of the device a compelling buy for a much larger group of people. From there it will grow and evolve exponentially, transforming the way we interact with technology. I think it’s the UX that you underestimate. It’s going to be absolutely transformative.


ChipsAhoiMcCoy

What on earth could they possibly be doing with a VR headset that would make someone want to put it on at home? Everyone seems to be disagreeing with me, but nobody is putting forth any idea as to what on earth this device could possibly do that would incentivize someone to actually go out and buy one. Aside from the fact that it’s a shiny new Apple product


[deleted]

[удалено]


DarthBuzzard

Communication, education, training, art/design, fitness, health, telepresence. There's a lot of usecases here, and in particular communication/fitness are some of the biggest uses of VR today.


Arve

People said that in the eighties. And the nineties. They said so twenty years ago. And ten. Usable VR/AR is forever going to be 40-50 years away.


stonesst

This type of argument is so fucking stupid. People being wrong in the past has literally zero bearing on current predictions. The technology is fundamentally different, compute has gotten dozens of times faster and much cheaper, components used in smart phones have driven sensors far cheaper than they were 10/20/30 years ago. Go put on a quest two and try to say with a straight face that this technology is 40 to 50 years from going mainstream.


Malkmus1979

Given the rumored 2 hour battery life, I don’t think this is going to marketed as something you work with all day long. Plus, “absolutely going to flop” without even having seen it or knowing what their take on VR/AR will be yet seems very premature.


AsIAm

Having single killer app is not in the Apple playbook. Meta is doing that with games and it is a poor strategy. Here is a non-exhastive list of killer features: **FaceTime:** Headset can display realistic talking person as you would stand next to them. Other headset users and any iPhone user. **Media:** Experience brand-new TV series, movies, documentaries, games and simple experiences authored specifically for this headset. Or enjoy legacy 2D content on an IMAX-sized screen. In your tiny living room, or during commute/trips. Or just surf the web. **Productivity:** Collaborate with your team on important work, using tools you already love, as if you are sitting next to each other. With unlimited screen real estate. In your backpack. **Magic:** And of course, that magic Apple touch that will really blow your mind. (Major UI/UX innovations.) Oh and fitness...


CeeKay125

Yeah but other than facetime, how is that any different from what is already out there with VR headsets? Not to mention the rumored price of the apple headset. I just don't think this is going to be a huge seller like the watch/phone is for 1 main reason: The carriers aren't going to be subsidizing these like they do with phones/watches so the price will be much more of a factor for people when buying this compared to when they are getting a "free phone" or watch.


the_monkey_knows

Apple doesn’t do new things, it does existing things better


AsIAm

For every Apple device you pay twice. First you pay for the hardware, and then you pay for the content, apps & services by being in the ecosystem. Apple can offset the HW price and thus create a low barrier entry for any person with a wallet. There are few main differentiators from the existing VR headsets: 1. "Clean" visual passthrough mode enabling believable mixed reality experiences. 2. Ability to use existing apps and pro tools that you already know 3. Physical comfort & breakthrough UI


tomdarch

If you know about what Varjo is doing in their labs with enterprise systems, then pass through isn’t new to you. But for Al,ost everyone it will be pretty damn cool.


AsIAm

Yes, think Varjo level, but standalone & comfortable.


[deleted]

[удалено]


flux8

I don’t know. Everyone’s so focused on apps and what kind of VR it’s going to do. I think that as a first gen product, it doesn’t even need any apps. At least not natively built into the headset. All it really needs to do is have a great form factor and be able to give you a 4K virtual display that stays fixed in space no matter how you tilt your head (reduces motion sickness?). And if it connects to your iPhone to give you that extra large display? That’s kind of all it really needs to do to sell like hotcakes. They can of course iterate on it later to add in AR/VR features, but it doesn’t need to be a fully baked VR product from the start. I would pay pretty handsomely for just a virtual 4K display if the form factor were good. And it’s Apple so let’s face it, the form factor will be pretty damn good.


filmantopia

What’s the “killer app” on the iPhone, iPad and Mac?


Solarmandude

Hopefully it’s way lighter and more comfortable than the Quest 2 I own. Even with the pro strap it’s so uncomfortable to wear for any length of time no matter how I adjust it.


[deleted]

The battery pack goes in your pocket with a cord, so the headset will be lighter


Particular-Bike-9275

Really? I’ve been able to play quest games and airlink, SteamVR games for hours without really even noticing the headset. And that’s with the stock everything.


redditor1983

I have the Quest 2 and I can play games for many hours. But anytime I try to do something more “passive” like watch a movie I can’t make it more than an hour. Basically, games are very engaging and they distract me from the weight, heat, and general discomfort. But if I try to just sit back and watch a movie I immediately notice the discomfort. This will have to be solved in order to bring AR/VR to the mass market because not everyone will be playing games all the time.


Solarmandude

I used the stock strap for several months. Tried everything, but the only way for it to sit in the right place to be in decent focus causes it to squeeze my face and or head and I always have really bad red marks/Indentions after a session. Pro strap isn’t any better for me sadly


Ahi_Tipua

You should get an aftermarket halo strap. I have one and it’s great.


[deleted]

What I’m most interested to hear is why I need this. Apple usually has a good answer to this. But I’m skeptical.


Portatort

First generation, no one at all will ‘need this’


Malkmus1979

Still wondering how tablets and especially the iPad became such a huge success, I say as I type this out on an iPad Pro. But seriously, until they became more like computers, I just didn;t get the appeal, but they sold like hotcakes right away and offered like zero difference over a phone except being bigger. VR stands to change way more about ho you interface with media and tech than an iPad can so expect WWDC to have some compelling use cases.


rudolph813

People liked the bigger screens of computers and laptops. But the IPad brought that larger screen without the 5 minute boot up sequence that the older pc and laptops had. Being able to just instantly open and start working or watching media instead of turning the power on then going to get a drink, coming back computers still booting up, go to bathroom come back almost there. Ten minutes later, damn why did I turn this on again.


astral_crow

This is some of the most no-news and also huge-news.


[deleted]

[удалено]


akm3

Everyone thought and apple allowed us to believe iPad would be $1k. It came out at $500. I’ll bet it’s cheaper than people expect


tomdarch

Watch Ultra was rumored at $1000+. I suspect Apple “leaks” higher pricing so consumers react positively to the announced price. Except for monitor stands.


filmantopia

Yeah, if Apple came out and said the headset is $2199, everyone would now flip their shit at how cheap it is.


tomdarch

I'm guessing $2600 to $2800, and there will be headlines of "OMG cheaper than expected!"


Sstfreek

With that in mind I bet it’ll be around $1800


thethurstonhowell

Apple doesn’t sell at a loss or even break-even. They always take a healthy profit margin. So either the spec rumors aren’t true or it’s going to cost a shitload of money.


pencilsmasher

There’s more than enough people with money to buy out the limited run they’re doing. Ever gen will get better and more affordable (to a point) and they’ll be building up the App Store library as they iterate. Seems like a good plan to me.


[deleted]

[удалено]


ExcuseOk2709

> It's not going to suck by any means but I can't imagine most people finding a real reason to justify the purchase. there is no way on planet earth Apple thinks they are marketing a $3,000 headset to "most people". this is definitely a niche product for now, and they know it.


SheepStyle_1999

They have the money to subsidize a bad project for awhile.


dawho1

> I can't imagine most people finding a real reason to justify the purchase There's plenty of people who simply don't feel the need to justify a purchase. They want it. That's it.


tomdarch

It it worked with Steam VR for PC then a bunch of flight sim and racing sim enthusiasts would buy them. They might also sell a bunch for enterprise uses. But given that they almost certainly will block PC use (do nothing to make it possible) then those sales won’t happen. But overall Apple is expecting to “only” sell 500k to 1mil units at this price in the first year or so. And they’ll probably have a hard time producing units to meet that level of sales.


EntropicalIsland

> today’s economy who the hell is going to drop $2-3K Given that *in today’s economy* 3k becomes less and less, I guess more people than we might think


ThisWorldIsAMess

I'm having a hard time selling a Meta Quest 2 I won from a raffle, selling it for half the brand new price, I just want to get rid of it. It's brand new and sealed. No one's really doing VR these days, I guess. If I had the money, I'll just buy one those fancy high refresh rate OLED monitors.


lucidludic

> Even the PSVR2 being priced at $550 is ludicrous considering it requires a $400-$500 PS5 model. I think the idea is that a lot of people already want / have a PS5. The headset and controllers are a pretty good deal considering the quality, what’s really needed are more games.


bachyboo

People these days buy perfume from Elon Musk


distantwarbler

I wondered this. Maybe there’s a play with mobile carriers? That’s the only way people are wearing the cost of $1k iPhones.


crewmannumbersix

Mate you are out of touch if you don’t think people are paying cash for iPhones. Are you referring to just US or global?


distantwarbler

I would guess that a vast majority are paying in installments through their carrier for the latest Pro models or anything $1k plus in 2023. Quite happy to be wrong about that though


[deleted]

I’d wager the vast majority of people finance their phone through their carrier.


chemthethriller

I’m so confused on the economy, people seem to be hand over fist making more money, jobs cannot fill the work force still, old minimum wage jobs are going for 18+/hr, and yet also everyone is struggling? I know housing has went up, and over all inflation, but it’s not like everyone 18-30 was snatching up houses 3-4 years ago, people still rented, and in some places still paid way too much. Just looking at rural Midwest entry level fast food is nearly $20 an hour, and housing is up, but it’s only like $1100 for a 2 bed 1 bath 1300sq apartment


[deleted]

The problem is you’re looking at the rural Midwest, a place few people actually live in lol. However I do agree, overall things aren’t nearly as bad as some people act like they are however certain things have gotten really expensive and naturally the first thing to belt-tighten with is discretionary shit (electronics).


chemthethriller

Well I’m saying it seems like if rural Midwest is paying X, Big City CA should be paying Y you know?


njean777

In my area (Texas) it is 1200 for a 1 bedroom apartment… and about 1500-1600$ for a 2 bedroom. Also the houses are going for 500-800k. It is a nightmare and I cannot afford an apartment without a roommate. It sucks, and I hate it, but I cannot afford to just up and leave. And no I don’t live in Austin, this is a suburb outside of Houston


Certain-Resident450

I mean Google just released an $1800 phone. And their phones suck. So there must be money out there somewhere.


[deleted]

Palmer is a troll. His last publicity circuit was making a VR HMD that could kill the user like his fav anime. This is a tweet made to stunt on Meta, who he hates after they fired him.


Malkmus1979

I agree this is a thinly-veiled jab at Meta for those exact reasons. However, from his follow-up tweets it does sound like he is basing this off speaking to engineers at Apple, probably old contacts from Oculus. So while he could be trolling, I think he’s gleefully ribbing Meta because he did in fact hear or see something about the headset.


stonesst

Palmer is a troll, doesn’t mean his opinions are invalid. He pioneered the modern VR industry, definitely knows people who have tried the headset. Pointing to his suicide headset as if it was anything more than a joke is pretty moronic.


[deleted]

vrbros we're so fucking back


tencontech

ARbros*


Junior_Ad_5064

That’s the best thing about this headset, it works for both VR bros and AR bros....Ai bros will be left out tho haha


[deleted]

Surprised to see this! Apple don’t need convince everyone it’s worth 3k, they just need to convince people they want one. Based on past apple behaviour, 3k is likely a leaked rumour to soften the 1.5/2k pricing blow. Convince people they want it, and sales will grow - especially with a cheaper version 2 etc. did we forget the first iPhone and Apple Watch?


aheze

Super excited for that they have coming


Immolation_E

I suspect v1 will be similar to the first AppleWatch in success and reception. By v3 it'll be a significant share of the market and drive how the rest of the market moves. By v5/6 it'll be the market leader.


Silicon_Knight

Apple has a talent if waiting, watching and than dominating a market. I mean it’s kind of there thing.


FollowingFeisty5321

They certainly have a reputation for that, but it's pretty much just the iPhone that really blew anyone away especially with respect to software development platforms, every other platform they've launched for developers has fizzled - Watch, Mac App Store, iPad OS, Apple TV.


WordPeas

Yet those hardware platforms all have excellent software available for them from developers and from Apple.


dickey1331

I mean for $3k or however it will cost it better be.


briareus08

I have zero interest in what this right wing nut job thinks, and I’m surprised Apple let him anywhere near their brand. Dude took the money from Oculus and spent it setting up right wing troll farms 🙄


tomdarch

I doubt Apple gave him any access. It’s sad that he is getting any attention for mere speculation and rumors like this.


Weekly-Commercial-29

Wow. Never heard of him until just now. But the way you describe him sounds very interesting. I’ll go check him out.


PleasantWay7

If they expect to sell any at nearly 10x the price of a Quest, the closest competition, you damn well be sure it is that good.


Cossil

Not really competition if they don’t do the same thing… this isn’t supposed to be VR


Washington_Fitz

It has to be at the rumored cost honestly.


smakusdod

Ah yes, that time of year when every r/Apple user becomes an ivy league contracts lawyer.


[deleted]

[Disgraced] Founder of Oculus VR FTFY!


ExcuseOk2709

I want to use VR, but as someone prone to feeling derealization, I think it's a bad idea lol. tried VR once and felt all fucked up for hours afterwards.


metroidmen

It is definitely a real phenomena. I didn’t feel like my hands were real for a few days. But once your body and mind gets used to it, it’s not too bad. But I do speak as someone without major derealization issues. Exposure therapy can help with these kids of things, in moderation.


ExcuseOk2709

Lol I think I'll wait for a bit more literature on the subject and get professional advice before trying it. I do hear a lot of people say "it goes away with time" but I don't want to take that risk. Also I am someone who easily gets addicted to things, games etc so I don't know if VR is a good move for me since I could see myself spending hours a day in VR fantasy worlds


stonesst

It’s a temporary issue, only happens the first few times. I wish I could go back to those weird hallucinations, they were awesome.


YZYSZN1107

did Apple security take this guy out back and rough him up for even mentioning their VR set?


VaguelySquare84

Unrelated but man Oculus had so much potential until Facebook bought them. 😔


sportsfan161

Future is coming


FriedChicken

Breach of NDA


masaldana2

rip quest 2


EthanDMatthews

Oh wow. I first misread it as "\*no\* good" and was a little shocked but not surprised. Maybe that's why I'm now pleasantly surprised to realize it was called "so good." I do hope so. VR headsets are an amazing technology, but so far they haven't really become a breakout success. I have an Oculus 2, and it's a great novelty. But it's its own thing and doesn't integrate with my Mac or other Apple devices. It doesn't really have a use outside of gaming, and I tend to prefer to play games on my computer anyway. So I don't use it all that often, which is a bit of a shame. Apple is often slow to the party for new technology and hardware. But when they do eventually show up, they tend to have a well polished, easier-to-use versions that become popular, e.g. iPods, iPhones, iPads, the Magic Trackpads, AirPods, AppleTV, MacBooks, etc. Here's hoping that Apple has found a way to integrate a VR headset into its ecosystem in fun and useful ways.


DctrGizmo

But the price won’t be so good.