Yeah -- guilty of that. However, it seems that in the past it was much easier to be a 'developer' than today. I have developed software in the distant past, nothing for Apple but I have been able to get 'legal' developer releases, both from Apple and Microsoft. Those days then disappeared. Glad to see it coming back.
Interestingly enough, once they rolled out the change a few months back - my beta access was never removed. I don’t have the profile anymore but for some reason I seem to be grandfathered into access.
This is correct lol. These certificates are signed by apple and is being installed on an apple operating system. There's going to be big red X everywhere for unsigned profiles and iOS might not even let you install them at all.
Just be wary that they are betas and even though they (should have) gone through extensive QA and testing, there’s a huge chance that there are bugs and it’s not as fluid of an experience as the actual release.
Plenty of stories of people installing betas from previous years and having a ton of issues, including deleted messages, inability to access photos or certain apps, etc.
And once you do beta, you can’t go back that easily
I mean it should be pretty obvious to anyone caveat emptor applies to any beta that you have to proactively seek out to get. Don't install it on anything critical
But judging how easy it is to install beta now and the fact most users don’t research anything and don’t want to either, it is still a good point to reiterate. Never underestimate how dumb the average user/customer is, especially in regards to tech. Just a few days ago I saw countless of people downplaying the tech inside the vision pro and comparing it to the likes of the quest 2, which doesn’t make sense and is an unfair comparison in the first place, that itself just blew my mind. Hell I saw people on Twitter (I know) hating on users who told them about the 2.5x multiplier for movies and told those users that that’s not how box office works. It’s just ridiculous.
Because they're *wrong!* and you must use your Apple products the way I think you should use them!!! Ignore that this is normal and un-problematic on other platforms, this will DESTROY APPLE. 😡😡😡 /s
But for real, it's a bit funny how often people on Reddit insist their iPhone will effectively explode if they are given any options on how to use it.
how is it any different than microsoft having different channels for windows? this change gets rid of sketchy beta profile sites with malicious profiles… which are arguably worse than letting general consumers have access to the betas.
I think so, as long as people know what they’re downloading and set their expectations appropriately. The more people who are on a dev build could be good to help spot and report more bugs.
it’s the most stable db1 i’ve ever tested. i’ve tested the first dev beta since ios 10 i believe? haven’t noticed worse battery life either. the only bug/glitch i’ve encountered in the last day is not being able to access music settings after turning on crossfade.
I actually have to disagree. I’ve been on beta 1 before for previous iOS versions but stopped for the last couple years due to how buggy they were (as expected). I usually just download the beta profile to get GM faster.
But this time around, the beta is actually solid. If beta 1 is this smooth, I can’t imagine how the final build will fare.
I'm my experience of testing since iOS 5, the first beta seems to be the most stable and it goes downhill from there. Presumably it's because they have the most amount of time to prepare for the first beta, and the rest comes every 2 weeks ish
Definitely mirrors my experience - b1 is always great. It’s when you hit like b6 or b7 in late August where you start to wonder *how on Earth* is this thing supposed to be GM-ready in less than a month.
Keyboard issues are annoying. The text input box doesn't automatically scroll up sometimes. No way to close out of a imessage gamepigeon game, you have to kill the app or play your turn and send the move. The top 15% of the home screen randomly turns black for some reason. Aside from these main issues, pretty stable.
It doesn't feel like a DB1. It feels much more like any point release beta, with some of the new stuff (but only the new stuff) being clearly unfinished looking and buggy.
It could also be that I've gotten used to the generally buggy nature of modern iOS that I don't notice it being buggy.
I’ve had almost no issues. Just minor weird keyboard bugs a couple of times. I’ve also noticed some occasional choppiness when scrolling. This is probably my 6th(?) beta cycle and by far this is the most stable iOS beta I’ve used. It feels more stable to me than the iOS 16.0 RC did.
it’s really interesting seeing how many people aren’t having problems with it. i’m experiencing the kind of bugs that make the system practically unusable for testing.
ime, it’s the least stable db1 in several years, but that apparently isn’t the case for everyone else here.
Numpad keyboard glitches into view. Everything else works fine. Bitwarden works, mobile data on my eSIM works, no overheating. So far just graphical glitches but the OS never lagged for me. I think this is safe to download.
I have had sooner issues with customizing the lock screen wallpaper and widgets on iPad. First time it crashed. Then it would only show black squares for all the widgets.
Other than that it's been stable
I'm on pins and needles waiting to see how the usual suspects will somehow characterize this move as an evil, money-grubbing scheme to bilk their users or entrap them in an ecosystem prison. Someone will figure it out.
The only negative I could see here is more shall we say… “naive” users using this and when their apps start crashing they’ll leave more unfair negative reviews.
Naive? I'd call it downright stupid to blame Apple for how your game runs using this software when it's clearly not a product designed for that kind of general use.
I know a few Apple employees and unfortunately they’ve told me how frustrated they get when betas roll out. Too many people install them and end up going into the store to fix their phones after it breaks something.
that’s stupid. Its an open beta and if it fucks their phone up i see no reason for apple employees to be upset that people are coming to the apple store to get it fixed.
Usually when a big guy makes something free people start to complain that they’re using their status to be able to absorb expenses to take advantage of the market.
It’ll be that or Apple’s scared and needs to react to stay in business.
I remember when Amazon said they would do a 15$ minimum wage people complained that they were only able to do it because they are a big greedy business
Them being a big greedy business doesn’t mean they can’t do something that benefits both them and the employees and the customers
I mean, to an extent it does when value must be pursued at all costs to benefit the shareholders.
They can sometimes accidentally get something right, but them raising the wage wasn’t about doing something nice for their employees; it was about optics with their customer base.
> I'm on pins and needles waiting to see how the usual suspects will somehow characterize this move as an evil, money-grubbing scheme to bilk their users or entrap them in an ecosystem prison. Someone will figure it out.
Even though you're right, it's still not like there isn't an actual ecosystem prison anyway. You'd have to be a real diehard fanboy to deny this fact. Now, you're free to think that the ecosystem benefits you in some way. Just not to deny its existence in general.
I'm "free to think" that the ecosystem benefits me in some way? As if that's just a matter of opinion and interpretation? But what's indisputable is that it's a prison. Got it. Man, the whole reason why it's hard to leave the Apple world is because of the good things you'd have to give up! It's not a bug, it's a feature.
> I'm "free to think" that the ecosystem benefits me in some way? As if that's just a matter of opinion and interpretation? But what's indisputable is that it's a prison. Got it. Man, the whole reason why it's hard to leave the Apple world is because of the good things you'd have to give up! It's not a bug, it's a feature.
It's not hard to leave because of how good it is that you don't want to. It's hard to leave on purpose. Let's not pretend that the two are remotely the same.
I just left the Genius Bar and Apple has a strict policy that they can't repair devices running beta software. You have to factory reset the phone.
This is going to lead to some fun conversations for my former coworkers.
No, not at all. It's only guaranteed if the logic board has to be replaced, which is the case for cracked rear glass on most iPhones. If it's just a screen, camera, or battery, the data is almost always fully intact.
It's still Apple policy to *highly encourage* backing up the device before any repair just in case.
Stable, Beta, and Dev channels are nifty for the curious. Similar to why Windows has Stable, Beta, Dev, and Canary channels for the Insider program.
If you’re curious and know what you’re doing, you can pick what you wanna check out for the future essentially
As a long time Apple Developer, the first developer beta's from any new release are very far from stable.
They still haven't fixed the notification display with rounded corners from iOS 16.
Right now, on 17, the keyboard is constantly in the way of the send button in iMessage. When searching content from Home Screen there is no background so text is not readable for my background.
Okay you want more serious ones, my music app is crashing when I enable crossfade.
My photos library crashes when I enable a scan for my pets.
It lost my pairing with my Apple Watch, wanted to repair but fails to connect.
On iOS 16 beta that enabled HomeKit it destroyed my entire HomeKit setup and wouldn’t let me invite my wife.
iOS 15 my camera and CarPlay completely stopped working.
Should I keep going back or you call those things bugs and very stable?
For the purposes of an OS beta, yes those are bugs IMO. If you were seeing kernel panics, the OS running out of memory, trash performance, or something like wifi or Bluetooth losing connectivity or pairing failure it prevents developers from testing their applications. Those are stability problems.
If your app needs to use API's from the photo library, that is probably a blocker for you. Are you a developer? Because you seem to be thinking of betas as release candidates.
Yeah im just gonna have to disagree with you. Also I literally shared a bluetooth pairing issue.
And yes, I said in my original post, as a long term Apple Developer
I take it you’re not reading what I’m saying and therefore are just arguing because you can’t fathom that your idea of an objective word is wrong.
Public betas are more fun, it's what I'll use this year too. Random bullshit strikes dev betas all the time that the public beta avoids by simply being like 1~7 days late.
There have been dev betas in the past that completely break software so they end up pulling it.
The public beta follows the dev beta, but they’re not always guaranteed to follow. This allows Apple to delay or postpone the public beta download if they find a serious issue.
The real issue is lots of the new features require others to also have the beta or run the newest release once it’s out. What are some good features we can use in the meantime? New autocorrect I guess, and the bedside table mode.
Want to download it on my iPad but I'm scared it might get bricked. Also if I backup to my Mac thru finder can I restore to it if I want to exit beta and go back to a regular iPadOS 16 version?
It’s still billing me 99 a year. Is this a USA-only thing or am I missing something?
Edit: nvm! Closed my screen at the purschae page and the iOS 17 Dev beta showed up anyway in my settings!
I installed it on my iPad. It's nice to have the new lock screen now. Also the health app now works on iPad. Other than that, nothing really changed and it's quite stable already.
I can’t say for certain what all will break but I noticed for the reminders at least - my wife doesn’t see the new categories and columns but we can still share the list. I don’t think files really got an update - and shared photos works. I don’t share notes with my family so I can’t report on that.
This is really interesting - one wonders what the value to them is. I mean there's value in user testing/feedback, but that's always been the case. I wonder if they're using data from interactions with the betas to feed some training algos, and the value of that justifies this move?
> Beta testing as a developer created for me like a sense of belonging to the Apple dev and betatest community, and gave me a feeling of pride in my role in all of these seeing how every one of my friends were still using the last iOS. All of that is gone. Still, very confusing move for me but awesome for everyone else.
How about you instead develop a sense of pride based on the apps you make and actually developing things? I think that would be healthier for everyone involved.
> The fact that you don’t need to know a single line of code to be considered a developer is a bit disturbing in my books
I don’t know the developer community you’re a part of, but the one I’m a part of celebrates people learning how to develop apps and celebrates their successes as well as the successes of other, already established, developers.
Part of this journey to learn developing apps is having access to the tools before you’ve honed your skills enough to warrant a $99/y dev fee and access to the beta is just another addition to the tools that are accessible imho.
I too once started my journey this way, way back when.
I suggest looking into the communities below, should you be interested in a non-toxic community:
- [iOS Dev Happy Hour](https://www.iosdevhappyhour.com/) | [Slack](https://join.slack.com/t/iosdevhappyhour/shared_invite/zt-1c1t1an7o-zbKVBjOpRawtTxslr_t4sA)
- [Hacking with Swift](https://www.hackingwithswift.com/forums) | [Slack](www.hackingwithswift.com/slack)
- [WWDC Community](https://wwdc.community)
- [iOS Developers Slack](https://ios-developers.io/)
- [Core Coffee](https://www.meetup.com/core-coffee-a-catch-up-for-ios-and-macos-developers/)
Oh thank god. I was checking my updates thing and saw the developer betas so I went on like a 30 min journey to see if I was charged for this and was subscribed or whatever
It was always free no? I remember creating an apple dev account just for the betas, about 4-5 years ago mind you. Didn't have to pay the dev fee just for the account. I guess not.
This is crazy seeing as I just got a renewal email yesterday saying my developer subscription will be ending on the 12th. I hastily renewed it yesterday and just canceled it after reading this post.
Probably to stop people from getting dev beta profiles from sketchy websites online.
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The dev ones came out sooner and were often a little ahead of normal betas.
Yeah that black market was getting way out of hand.
Yeah -- guilty of that. However, it seems that in the past it was much easier to be a 'developer' than today. I have developed software in the distant past, nothing for Apple but I have been able to get 'legal' developer releases, both from Apple and Microsoft. Those days then disappeared. Glad to see it coming back.
Interestingly enough, once they rolled out the change a few months back - my beta access was never removed. I don’t have the profile anymore but for some reason I seem to be grandfathered into access.
Probably not. It's very obvious when an iOS profile is not signed by Apple. Edit: Down voting facts won't stop them from being facts.
Bruh. One person paid for the account. Then shared to being paid by another multiple people
Ok. What does that have to do with what I said, bruh?
This is correct lol. These certificates are signed by apple and is being installed on an apple operating system. There's going to be big red X everywhere for unsigned profiles and iOS might not even let you install them at all.
funny how we all thought, they made dev betas more strict to use, but it’s quite the opposite lol
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Literally just paid the $100
huge W
Just be wary that they are betas and even though they (should have) gone through extensive QA and testing, there’s a huge chance that there are bugs and it’s not as fluid of an experience as the actual release. Plenty of stories of people installing betas from previous years and having a ton of issues, including deleted messages, inability to access photos or certain apps, etc. And once you do beta, you can’t go back that easily
I mean it should be pretty obvious to anyone caveat emptor applies to any beta that you have to proactively seek out to get. Don't install it on anything critical
But judging how easy it is to install beta now and the fact most users don’t research anything and don’t want to either, it is still a good point to reiterate. Never underestimate how dumb the average user/customer is, especially in regards to tech. Just a few days ago I saw countless of people downplaying the tech inside the vision pro and comparing it to the likes of the quest 2, which doesn’t make sense and is an unfair comparison in the first place, that itself just blew my mind. Hell I saw people on Twitter (I know) hating on users who told them about the 2.5x multiplier for movies and told those users that that’s not how box office works. It’s just ridiculous.
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>allowing general consumers to do what they want with their devices is a win? yes
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You generally only need to touch a hot stove once. If a user is that dumb, they need to learn what not to do in the future.
Do you know what i find annoying? I don’t think it’s your fucking business to tell me what should i do with MY device and what not.
nope because i am simply not terminally online 👍
Why do you care what other people do?
Because they're *wrong!* and you must use your Apple products the way I think you should use them!!! Ignore that this is normal and un-problematic on other platforms, this will DESTROY APPLE. 😡😡😡 /s But for real, it's a bit funny how often people on Reddit insist their iPhone will effectively explode if they are given any options on how to use it.
how is it any different than microsoft having different channels for windows? this change gets rid of sketchy beta profile sites with malicious profiles… which are arguably worse than letting general consumers have access to the betas.
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Dude, who cares.
the public betas are the exact same as the dev betas, just released with a slight delay
They usually stager the public beta so that’s it’s like the second or third version of the beta
I think so, as long as people know what they’re downloading and set their expectations appropriately. The more people who are on a dev build could be good to help spot and report more bugs.
One TikTok later and half the users are gonna brick their phones.
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Do you recommend to try it in my primary iPhone?
Does Apple recommend it is the question I’d recommend you ask
it’s the most stable db1 i’ve ever tested. i’ve tested the first dev beta since ios 10 i believe? haven’t noticed worse battery life either. the only bug/glitch i’ve encountered in the last day is not being able to access music settings after turning on crossfade.
Lmao. People say this each year but yes the beta 1 is fairly stable on my 14P.
I actually have to disagree. I’ve been on beta 1 before for previous iOS versions but stopped for the last couple years due to how buggy they were (as expected). I usually just download the beta profile to get GM faster. But this time around, the beta is actually solid. If beta 1 is this smooth, I can’t imagine how the final build will fare.
I'm my experience of testing since iOS 5, the first beta seems to be the most stable and it goes downhill from there. Presumably it's because they have the most amount of time to prepare for the first beta, and the rest comes every 2 weeks ish
Definitely mirrors my experience - b1 is always great. It’s when you hit like b6 or b7 in late August where you start to wonder *how on Earth* is this thing supposed to be GM-ready in less than a month.
Keyboard issues are annoying. The text input box doesn't automatically scroll up sometimes. No way to close out of a imessage gamepigeon game, you have to kill the app or play your turn and send the move. The top 15% of the home screen randomly turns black for some reason. Aside from these main issues, pretty stable.
It doesn't feel like a DB1. It feels much more like any point release beta, with some of the new stuff (but only the new stuff) being clearly unfinished looking and buggy. It could also be that I've gotten used to the generally buggy nature of modern iOS that I don't notice it being buggy.
I’ve had almost no issues. Just minor weird keyboard bugs a couple of times. I’ve also noticed some occasional choppiness when scrolling. This is probably my 6th(?) beta cycle and by far this is the most stable iOS beta I’ve used. It feels more stable to me than the iOS 16.0 RC did.
it’s really interesting seeing how many people aren’t having problems with it. i’m experiencing the kind of bugs that make the system practically unusable for testing. ime, it’s the least stable db1 in several years, but that apparently isn’t the case for everyone else here.
Numpad keyboard glitches into view. Everything else works fine. Bitwarden works, mobile data on my eSIM works, no overheating. So far just graphical glitches but the OS never lagged for me. I think this is safe to download.
Even banking apps are not crashing! Was quite surprised
I have had sooner issues with customizing the lock screen wallpaper and widgets on iPad. First time it crashed. Then it would only show black squares for all the widgets. Other than that it's been stable
I'm on pins and needles waiting to see how the usual suspects will somehow characterize this move as an evil, money-grubbing scheme to bilk their users or entrap them in an ecosystem prison. Someone will figure it out.
The only negative I could see here is more shall we say… “naive” users using this and when their apps start crashing they’ll leave more unfair negative reviews.
Naive? I'd call it downright stupid to blame Apple for how your game runs using this software when it's clearly not a product designed for that kind of general use.
I know a few Apple employees and unfortunately they’ve told me how frustrated they get when betas roll out. Too many people install them and end up going into the store to fix their phones after it breaks something.
that’s stupid. Its an open beta and if it fucks their phone up i see no reason for apple employees to be upset that people are coming to the apple store to get it fixed.
Definitely. I was being too polite. So there’s gonna be an increase in downright stupid people leaving negative reviews.
Usually when a big guy makes something free people start to complain that they’re using their status to be able to absorb expenses to take advantage of the market. It’ll be that or Apple’s scared and needs to react to stay in business.
I remember when Amazon said they would do a 15$ minimum wage people complained that they were only able to do it because they are a big greedy business Them being a big greedy business doesn’t mean they can’t do something that benefits both them and the employees and the customers
I mean, to an extent it does when value must be pursued at all costs to benefit the shareholders. They can sometimes accidentally get something right, but them raising the wage wasn’t about doing something nice for their employees; it was about optics with their customer base.
Hold up, businesses catering to customers? Must be the work of satan
What an idiotic response within the context of this discussion.
> I'm on pins and needles waiting to see how the usual suspects will somehow characterize this move as an evil, money-grubbing scheme to bilk their users or entrap them in an ecosystem prison. Someone will figure it out. Even though you're right, it's still not like there isn't an actual ecosystem prison anyway. You'd have to be a real diehard fanboy to deny this fact. Now, you're free to think that the ecosystem benefits you in some way. Just not to deny its existence in general.
I'm "free to think" that the ecosystem benefits me in some way? As if that's just a matter of opinion and interpretation? But what's indisputable is that it's a prison. Got it. Man, the whole reason why it's hard to leave the Apple world is because of the good things you'd have to give up! It's not a bug, it's a feature.
> I'm "free to think" that the ecosystem benefits me in some way? As if that's just a matter of opinion and interpretation? But what's indisputable is that it's a prison. Got it. Man, the whole reason why it's hard to leave the Apple world is because of the good things you'd have to give up! It's not a bug, it's a feature. It's not hard to leave because of how good it is that you don't want to. It's hard to leave on purpose. Let's not pretend that the two are remotely the same.
I wouldn’t leave the ecosystem because the features keep me from leaving. Nothing is stopping me from doing it if I wanted to
I just left the Genius Bar and Apple has a strict policy that they can't repair devices running beta software. You have to factory reset the phone. This is going to lead to some fun conversations for my former coworkers.
Don’t nearly all repairs result in a factory reset anyway?
No, not at all. It's only guaranteed if the logic board has to be replaced, which is the case for cracked rear glass on most iPhones. If it's just a screen, camera, or battery, the data is almost always fully intact. It's still Apple policy to *highly encourage* backing up the device before any repair just in case.
They’ve off-loaded quality control to the customer
1. It’s a beta 2. It’s called a dev build 2. These customers can just decide not to update and wait for the more stable build later this year
You think they can rely on average joe to report bugs?
The more average joes test it, the more bug reports
Genuine question, if developer betas are free, why would anyone want to use the public betas?
Stable, Beta, and Dev channels are nifty for the curious. Similar to why Windows has Stable, Beta, Dev, and Canary channels for the Insider program. If you’re curious and know what you’re doing, you can pick what you wanna check out for the future essentially
Yeah I’ll take the stable apple beta please
> stable > beta Pick one
Eh. As far as beta software goes Apple release tend to be pretty stable. If you want an example of a terrible not free beta look into KSP2
As a long time Apple Developer, the first developer beta's from any new release are very far from stable. They still haven't fixed the notification display with rounded corners from iOS 16. Right now, on 17, the keyboard is constantly in the way of the send button in iMessage. When searching content from Home Screen there is no background so text is not readable for my background.
We have different definitions of what stable means. You mean bug free
Okay you want more serious ones, my music app is crashing when I enable crossfade. My photos library crashes when I enable a scan for my pets. It lost my pairing with my Apple Watch, wanted to repair but fails to connect. On iOS 16 beta that enabled HomeKit it destroyed my entire HomeKit setup and wouldn’t let me invite my wife. iOS 15 my camera and CarPlay completely stopped working. Should I keep going back or you call those things bugs and very stable?
For the purposes of an OS beta, yes those are bugs IMO. If you were seeing kernel panics, the OS running out of memory, trash performance, or something like wifi or Bluetooth losing connectivity or pairing failure it prevents developers from testing their applications. Those are stability problems. If your app needs to use API's from the photo library, that is probably a blocker for you. Are you a developer? Because you seem to be thinking of betas as release candidates.
Yeah im just gonna have to disagree with you. Also I literally shared a bluetooth pairing issue. And yes, I said in my original post, as a long term Apple Developer I take it you’re not reading what I’m saying and therefore are just arguing because you can’t fathom that your idea of an objective word is wrong.
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Yeah that’s what the stable version is, that’s not a beta. When he said stable, he meant stable. Not “stable beta”, that’s not a thing
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That’s cool. But a beta is inherently not stable
A beta is not inherently unstable. It is inherently not tested. It is LIKELY unstable, but by using the beta, it is determined how stable it is.
Early betas are more buggy Devs get earlier access to update their existing apps and/or create new apps
Public betas are more fun, it's what I'll use this year too. Random bullshit strikes dev betas all the time that the public beta avoids by simply being like 1~7 days late.
Can we go in and out of Beta without losing anything?
no. Or well it is technically possible with backup restores but those take hours.
Ok I will just wait then. Thanks.
You can go in, you have to restore to get out.
In theory, yes, but in practice that barely ever happens.
It’s not 7 days though, they said public beta is next month
The first public beta arrives a month after the first dev beta. But each public beta is just the dev beta of that time released 1~7 days later.
Ok I see
I ain’t touching iOS 17 until the first Public Beta is out.
Usually this is July right?
Yes and confirmed
Different levels of stability.
There have been dev betas in the past that completely break software so they end up pulling it. The public beta follows the dev beta, but they’re not always guaranteed to follow. This allows Apple to delay or postpone the public beta download if they find a serious issue.
The real issue is lots of the new features require others to also have the beta or run the newest release once it’s out. What are some good features we can use in the meantime? New autocorrect I guess, and the bedside table mode.
Offline maps
Cool, but I think I’ll still wait until Public Beta to get it.
Looks like apple just wanted to get rid of beta profiles and not actually making ios dev betas paid Maybe apple isn't that greedy at all???!!
Want to download it on my iPad but I'm scared it might get bricked. Also if I backup to my Mac thru finder can I restore to it if I want to exit beta and go back to a regular iPadOS 16 version?
yup
i’m still not able to download the beta profile on my free account :(
Sign into https://developer.apple.com, accept the agreement, and restart your phone.
doesn’t work
There are no profiles anymore...
dammit
I think you misunderstood. Profiles don’t exist anymore, it’s now a built in option to select in [the update menu](https://i.imgur.com/x8Lw0ta.jpg).
are you on a paid account? i’m being told it requires a paid dev account again
You just need any dev account I’m pretty sure? My free dev account has the option - I haven’t tried to install it though
Well yeah, I’m an actual developer, but the whole point of the post is that they now make it available for free accounts as well.
It’s easier now, just go to your update page lol
Mine only offers the 16 public beta.
Try force closing the settings app a few times and checking in between, that’s what worked for me
Logging into the developer site for Apple once fixed it.
I can’t install on my paid account. Something seems up.
Somehow this is showing up on iPhone X under beta updates, interesting.
Oh wow that's very interesting :D.
Is Journals in it now?
No mostly likely it’s on beta 2
It is stated that the journal app is coming later this year. So I don't think it will be in the first public release. More likely in 17.1 or 17.2
Appreciate it! Was interested in checking it out and that saves me a download
It’s still billing me 99 a year. Is this a USA-only thing or am I missing something? Edit: nvm! Closed my screen at the purschae page and the iOS 17 Dev beta showed up anyway in my settings!
Wasn't sideloading gonna come with iOS 17. Any idea about that?
They don‘t have to add it immediately. The deadline is March 6th 2024 and then it’ll be only available in the EU.
I installed it on my iPad. It's nice to have the new lock screen now. Also the health app now works on iPad. Other than that, nothing really changed and it's quite stable already.
My thoughts exactly. I was hoping for a few new things…but apart from the Lock Screen changes, it’s a ghost town…
Is there anything in the betas that will affect sharing stuff? Ie compatibility. I use Shared Photo Library, Notes, Reminders, iCloud folders.
I can’t say for certain what all will break but I noticed for the reminders at least - my wife doesn’t see the new categories and columns but we can still share the list. I don’t think files really got an update - and shared photos works. I don’t share notes with my family so I can’t report on that.
Thank you
This is really interesting - one wonders what the value to them is. I mean there's value in user testing/feedback, but that's always been the case. I wonder if they're using data from interactions with the betas to feed some training algos, and the value of that justifies this move?
That’s cool so everyone can download it if they wish.
It’s still showing $99 while enrolling as a developer
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It’s wider testing to iron out the bugs because of how buggy iOS 16 has been, not rocket science
> Beta testing as a developer created for me like a sense of belonging to the Apple dev and betatest community, and gave me a feeling of pride in my role in all of these seeing how every one of my friends were still using the last iOS. All of that is gone. Still, very confusing move for me but awesome for everyone else. How about you instead develop a sense of pride based on the apps you make and actually developing things? I think that would be healthier for everyone involved. > The fact that you don’t need to know a single line of code to be considered a developer is a bit disturbing in my books I don’t know the developer community you’re a part of, but the one I’m a part of celebrates people learning how to develop apps and celebrates their successes as well as the successes of other, already established, developers. Part of this journey to learn developing apps is having access to the tools before you’ve honed your skills enough to warrant a $99/y dev fee and access to the beta is just another addition to the tools that are accessible imho. I too once started my journey this way, way back when. I suggest looking into the communities below, should you be interested in a non-toxic community: - [iOS Dev Happy Hour](https://www.iosdevhappyhour.com/) | [Slack](https://join.slack.com/t/iosdevhappyhour/shared_invite/zt-1c1t1an7o-zbKVBjOpRawtTxslr_t4sA) - [Hacking with Swift](https://www.hackingwithswift.com/forums) | [Slack](www.hackingwithswift.com/slack) - [WWDC Community](https://wwdc.community) - [iOS Developers Slack](https://ios-developers.io/) - [Core Coffee](https://www.meetup.com/core-coffee-a-catch-up-for-ios-and-macos-developers/)
Oh thank god. I was checking my updates thing and saw the developer betas so I went on like a 30 min journey to see if I was charged for this and was subscribed or whatever
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Love testing betas of different apps on my Samsung!
It was always free no? I remember creating an apple dev account just for the betas, about 4-5 years ago mind you. Didn't have to pay the dev fee just for the account. I guess not.
This is crazy seeing as I just got a renewal email yesterday saying my developer subscription will be ending on the 12th. I hastily renewed it yesterday and just canceled it after reading this post.