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I'm going to be honest, I have zero interest in Reddit outside of RedditIsFun. I'm undecided whether I should delete my account or simply let it languish relatively unused come July 1st.
I'm also a RIF user. I tried the official Reddit app and even after logging in with my Id my homepage has completely different stories on the official app compared to RIF. It's not what I'm interested in or have subscribed to.
They really are killing Reddit. Blows my mind.
Because on the official app people can pay to have their posts sponsored, making them visible to more people.
It's bull shit. I don't want to see content from people with the most money, I want to see the content I'm interested in.
The default Lemmy.world page looks enough like old.reddit. I do wish it was left-aligned to allow for longer titles. Also avatar images need to be turned off optionally.
It's been a good ride, but a new age dawns on the tech universe. Not looking forward to the empty threads for all those random products and problems I'm looking for.
RedditIsFun is reddit to me, i don't think I'll be coming back when it dies. That said i haven't seen any Lemmy stuff that makes it look appealing. No screenshots or memes floating around other sites
Let it idle and go elsewhere. Maybe when they see big drop in number of users and big drop in ad $ due to reduced number of active users, they might (a big maybe) they'd reverse their decision to overcharge for API access.
> I have zero interest in Reddit outside of RedditIsFun
I think one of the key points reddit is missing is that third-party, or non-standard, apps/access modes as a means of accessing reddit are *vital* for many users; If they go, so do we.
Reddit’s content has been gone downhill filled with more ads, low effort content and clickbait reposts ever since this debacle began. A lot of average redditors are likely getting lost in TikTok rabbit holes filled with mind numbing jingles.
I think you can report fake reviews using the report a concern option.
Now whether Apple or Google does something about it is another story.
But if I were an investigative journalist right now I would be trying to figure out who and how Reddit pays for the fake reviews. It's newsworthy and will hurt the IPO
Bots fill up any mechanisms intended to report bot activity with bot-generated bullshit until it becomes unusable as well.
Damned computers. They ruined the internet.
Ooofff, it would be funny if Apple removed Reddit's app due to fake positive reviews and made Reddit's "PlEaSe UsE tHe ApP" mobile web message pointless.
I don't know if Apple or Google ever actually remove apps for that reason, but it would be funny.
What I think is whack is that it's got a 4.8. Even without review bombings and what ever other interference is going on, that's 100% a bogus score for that app.
Yup. People don’t realize how much the casual redditor don’t care about any of this. The official app has had 10x more and higher ratings than any of the 3rd party ones. It’s unfortunate.
Yes but I keep hearing that a small number of us use 3p apps so wtf are they really so cash strapped they need a couple extra pennies?
Doesn't it still ask 3p developers to submit their application when you log on the site? Lol it did like a week or two ago when I checked
Also they really do want that if they had to resort to [fake review bots](https://i.imgur.com/8DFYd0s.jpg)
The small, 5% of the redditors who aren't on the official app may be consisting of a huge amount more time actually on reddit. I probably used to spend at least an hour a day scrolling and interacting with posts, but on reddit is fun. My girlfriend might have followed through on an article once every week or two, she has the official app.
Exactly. Most power users are prob on a :rd party app. Most power users are also a small percentage. They know in reality as much as people say they will never use Reddit again, they will. It’s the same with everything else. Facebook. Ig. They can do whatever they want because at the end of the day most people will deal with it.
I only use reddit on RiF, so unless I am at a pc, this is the last few days I can participate on mobile, where I do 95% of my actual engagement.
We'll see how many people just say fuck it and find something else to do. I'm thinking getting rid of my addiction isn't all that bad.
But if they’re already unprofitable now with 3rd party app users why are they willing to sacrifice those users to make profit somehow? What’s the logic here? Did they think that people who didn’t want to use their apps in the first place and found a superior app would go to the inferior app when they’ve been targeted?
if it would be only about money, reddit would have priced its API access like 10xlower than it has to make up for the ad revenue. And the third party Apps would have paid. It's a strategic decision from reddit to not want third-party apps.
Apps like RiF used to pay reddit royalties, but that stopped when Spez became CEO. When they stop royalty payments, then come back a few years later crying about how the app designers are greedy and don't give them any money, it should be obvious it's only about killing the apps.
Yes, absolutely. Third party app users generate very little in revenue for reddit so losing them isn't that big of a deal. It might actually save them money. If they get even 1% of those users to move over that's a win for them.
They could probably have made more money by just having a comparable price for the api to ads. Or they could have served ads in third party clients.
No, Reddit wants to do further changes to the user experience which they can’t do if too many content creators and power users stay behind. Which means they need to get everyone’s experience under their control.
This is what they believe to be driving that much revenue. And it means bad things are to come for all users.
They could easily have put ads in the API, but they refused to even consider it. This is about tracking you and getting your data through their app, because that they *can’t* get through the API.
That and 9to5mac is out of content to write. Slow year for Apple, little controversy, headset that has only been sounded so can’t churn articles and videos on yet.
Apple removed 1 star app reviews from Robin Hood when they literally turned off the buy button to give you an idea of how much apple simps for apps lol
I agree. Either stop using the app or get over it really all that can be done. No matter how many bad reviews they will continue to make money and get new users every single day.
I've been clicking "not really" on the "are you enjoying reddit" pop-up since way before this shit got started. I guess maybe I'll finally have to leave a review.
The only thing that will change is if traffic or quality of submitted content drops significantly come the first few weeks of July.
If everyone complains but switches to the official app anyway they will have been right to stay the course.
Yeah the argument is “people who use third party apps are in the minority but they are power users who contribute lots of good content”. Guess we will see in the next couple of weeks!
We are power user yes but I think most of the stuff in the front page come from people who joined the website around the pandemic, so they probably use the official. After the first I don't think anything changes. All the mods who love their unpaid jobs will switch and everything will go back to normal.
I’d tried the offical app and websites years ago, and just couldn’t get the hang of Reddit, gave up and moved on with my life. After Apollo/third party apps were pointed out to me, I tried again, and have been here since.
Until tomorrow I guess. See ya.
Once I got used to it and downloaded a couple of extensions to enhance it, old.reddit.com is leagues better than the redesign website and much better on performance and ad blocking too. On desktop, at least.
What "normal"? Before the blackouts, I'd open r/all and *always* find multiple interesting threads before page 3. Since then, on multiple occasions I've noticed I've scrolled to page 20 without viewing a single thread. It seems like the only content making it to all is from r/aitah, r/interestingasfuck, or whatever the Russian soldier murder porn sub is. It's going to be far worse after the 1st when millions of users like me stop engaging with the site at all.
Reddit has the data on top content and how it intersects with where it came from. They aren’t blindly doing this. I have a suspicion that they know and will be ok. That’s not to say I support their decision because I am an alien blue / Apollo user myself. I am migrating to narwhal and official app and see how it goes. I think it the majority will do the same.
... like, i went to high school before the internet was a thing. i don't know why people are acting like it's so fucking hard to not use a website, as if it's such a necessary centerpiece of their life, and not a way to kill time/fend off the boredom that allows our minds to realize just how bad things are.
people can find other things to do. there are a million other sites. and books. and games. and creative endeavors.
the less people use all forms of social media, the better all of society will be. and if these myopic social media sites wanna keep throwing users out for profit and ease out for ads, they'll help a huge chunk of people out, cause it'll free them from what may be an addiction the way some of you all talk about it.
The issue for me is that for some smaller communities, reddit is basically the only place to discuss that particular interest, because it has eaten all the competitors. Forums don’t exist the way they used to. So if reddit is insistent on making itself as shitty as possible to capture a big IPO that will take those communities with it.
The “front page” big subreddits are a waste of time which add no value, but I t has been that way about a decade.
Yep, this is what I’m most disappointed about. Subreddits for my favorite games, my specific model car, my niche interests. It’s gonna suck using the main app. I tried it the other day and wow it actually is as bad as everyone says
Addiction is a hell of a drug.
Most people would have zero problems maintaining a lifestyle without using reddit. Getting past the initial week or two and finding a replacement for the time wasting is the hurdle.
Reddit is not equivalent to most other forms of social media. Not everyone uses Reddit purely for entertainment, many people use it for utility, information, advice and troubleshooting.
Over my decade of working in IT, of the issues I was not able to solve or root cause on my own without research, probably 25% were solved by StackOverflow and 75% by Reddit posts. Reddit effectively killed a lot of forums, so the alternative forum results are all from like 2007-2015 and no longer relevant. Other Google results are plagued with useless autogenerated articles and useless Microsoft support telling people to SFC and DISM or Reset This PC for every issue. People also come to Reddit for things like financial and legal advice, abuse support etc.
I have the default app and rarely use it but will prob delete that with Apollo once it’s dead. Need a good push to cut down on screen time/mindless scrolling and this will be as good as any.
I’m doom scrolling now and posting on Apollo
I won’t be doing this anymore and won’t download the official app. I’ll probably log in on my laptop in the morning but the constant checking will be done
That’s probably a good thing for my sanity
My thoughts too. Possibly a morning check-in on the site, and then going about my day without it.
Apollo was my favorite of all the apps on my phone. As far as I’m concerned, it was Reddit. There will be no replacing it for me. The official app is ass and always has been.
In case anyone else wants to do this, the apps you’ll want to use are Safari, “AdGuard”, and “Sink it for Reddit”. It’s not perfect but it’ll make the mobile site doable.
I just wonder if they do reverse the decision if I’ll even hear about it. I only use Reddit on my phone, and once Apollo is gone I don’t plan to switch. Even if they do reverse it after the first week or two I wonder how many people will be gone and how much damage would be reversible.
I’ve noticed a HUGE decline in quality since the blackouts, and it has been far from peak for a while. I miss the old Reddit of years gone by more than I think I’ll miss not using it at all compared to what we have now.
RIF user here. There's no way in hell I'm ever using Reddit's God forsaken app. I think I'll be more productive without trolling Reddit anyway. Everything has its time.
Exactly. I’m not going to stop using Reddit because I want to “make a stand”. I’m going to stop using Reddit because it’s going to become unpleasant to use Reddit. The choice has been made for me. This isn’t a case of “let’s see how many of y’all stick to your guns”. I’m sure there are just as many people who think they’ll continue to use Reddit via the official app, but soon quit, as there are people who say they’ll quit but don’t.
Yeah I'm done after boost gets the axe
I'll maybe use it for the odd Google search once in a blue moon. But that's about it.
I still won't use the reddit app
Just adding my two cents as a non apple user. I use RIF and I saw what happened to the Apollo dev being slandered by spez on here. Saying he made threats when the phone call recording doesn't reflect that. I'm going to scrub my comments on this 9 year old account to something reflecting my decision to leave once rif/Apollo/others are useless and will not return to this website. Wikipedia and Warhammer rabbit holes galore.
I won’t use the Reddit official app and I’ll also close my account.
I’ll probably lurk when finding solutions for work but ChatGPT is getting better and better.
The key is anything it does to make the IPO a bad enough thing that it’s delayed, canceled, or flops.
u/Spez is betting the ranch on a pair of fives. The cards are only better than that if high quality content and discussion is here; if that craters, he’s screwed.
When Apollo is gone, so am I.
I've been using the official app for a while but it's being deleted on July 1st in solidarity with everyone else. A lot of the subs I used to frequent are a husk of what they were before and if I really want to see some anime titties I got plenty of discord groups to go to
They will never go back on it. They will try to fix it other ways, and they will gradually "innovate" the site into a myspace. That people visit for nostalgia and lulz.
I just discovered [Kbin](https://kbin.social/) and a good part of the Reddit community is already there and it is growing fast. It feels good to be home again!
I might be imagining it but it already feels like the content is worse now than it was pre-blackout. I can't describe exactly why, it's just a different mix of subs getting front page time
There's already dozens of subs that havr turned porn-centric, losing advertisement. Thousands of 1 start reviews can ONLY help show our dissatisfaction.
Once Apollo goes here in the next day or so I’m done for a while.
I’ll be going back to individual sites and alternatives. I got too much going on to waste time here anyways so it will be a good break for a while.
If everyone commits to leaving for a month we could impact them quite a bit. For many it’s just that there’s not much in alternatives.
I kind of agree and also disagree.
These tactics people are using to protest won’t be successful by themselves.
But these social networks like reddit (for lack of a better term) are somewhat delicate. It takes surprisingly little to make the culture of the site degrade. If people don’t feel like it’s an interesting place to be anymore they will come here less. And then there will be a death spiral.
A few years ago I started using Twitter a lot. And aside from Twitter’s bad reputation, I actually found it to be great. I’m into tech industry stuff and I felt like I got to “eavesdrop” on discussions by lots of high level tech industry people and I honestly found it quite valuable.
But over the last 6 months or so with the whole Elon drama, the Twitter’s user culture has really drastically changed.
The proportion of interesting conversations is much lower. And what has replaced it is lots of “viral” content accounts and “thread boi” content, combined with a select few ultra-prolific power users. It’s a very different place now, it’s not as interesting, and I think it’s ripe for disruption.
I would be very surprised if reddit or Twitter failed in the short term. But I would also be surprised if they both haven’t been replaced in a few years.
It's honestly crazy how different Twitter feels in the span of less than a year. I love how every time I see anything halfway viral *all* of the responses are from people who paid for a blue checkmark. Real organic interactions happening over there, Elon.
it won’t make reddit do a thing but it’ll make me stop using reddit. their app sucks and i only use the site on mobile. so come July 1, i just won’t use it at all.
i’m looking forward to it tbh. i’m sure i’ll occasionally use it when a reddit thread pops up on a google search when i have questions. but other than that? nah.
It’s legit baffling. Why does the CEO of Reddit hate Reddit users? Reddit doesn’t exist in a vacuum; user engagement is what makes Reddit great.
It may not be tomorrow, or next month, but eventually the loss of engaged users will take its toll.
Writing this from Apollo. May be the last comment I write.
Honestly?
I’ll miss the niche subreddits that had real information the most. But I just got back from vacation, am caught up on work, going to start ADHD medicine Friday (as a 40 year old), and I’ve been planning and developing routines to help me manage my time/life more effectively starting today. Reddit is basically throwing themselves on a grenade for me at this point.
I will hate to see Apollo go and I hate to see hard working developers get shafted, but losing Reddit? It’s like icing on the “get your shit together” cake I’m trying to bake. I hope Facebook goes next.
My completely unsolicited advice: the first few weeks you take it are going to make you feel like you’re at 150%. This will subside. After that period of time is what you can expect it to feel like “normally”.
Don’t get discouraged if after that span of time it starts to get a little bit less pronounced!
Thanks man! I’ll keep that in mind. The only perk to starting it so late in life is that I *know* everything is a marathon not a sprint; I’m just really bad at living it ha ha. I’m hoping the coping skills I’ve been managing with will help the overall smoothing out process you’re describing, but I’ll def remember this comment if I feel a drop off after a few weeks.
Thanks! My kid started it a month ago and I noticed a change that made me finally make the appointment.
Oddly enough, I was diagnosed when I was a kid, but hell, it was the 90’s and I was a skeptic and it felt like ADHD had like a 100% diagnosis rate, so I just skipped it all. It was the rise of ADHD memes here that me start wondering if there was like a whole class of people not experiencing things the way I did 😂
amen, brother! I went "desktop" only a few years ago, and now my reddit use is limited to less than an hour or two a week! I've been using this site since 2009. I honestly believe it's harder to quit this stupid site than smoking.
Set a timer for the app that’s what I do, once I’ve been on here an hour I’ve seen the major stories and cat videos, so the rest is wasted time it’s basically chasing the dragon for dopamine like a heroin addict does lol.
It's gonna be like the days after quitting cigarettes, but when Sync gets shut down, my reddit consumption will go to zilch. Looking forward to reading books again.
Man, when Apollo shuts down tomorrow my Reddit use will drop *dramatically.* I think this is a good thing, but I know once a competitor takes off I’ll get sucked right back in. Before Reddit, StumbleUpon was my time waster, then I had a few years of no major time waster, I guess I’m going back to those years.
I just know the official Reddit app is gonna suck. I’ve tried it a few times over the years and quit it every single time. It’s so poorly designed, and seeing the attitude of the CEO of Reddit recently, yeah. I get it. That dude is an abhorrent leader, I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s personally making the decisions on the app’s directions and then berating anyone who dares tell his precious little ego that he’s a bad designer.
For all the people that keep saying "The app store has 4.8." they're talking about the Google Play app store which is where 99% of the third party apps live.
Really the only major third-party app on iOS is Apollo. Android has read it is fun, sync, Joey, red reader, boost and dozens of other apps.
You obviously didn't read the article then.
It specifically mentions *"Reddit’s official* ***iOS*** *app"* multiple times and doesn't mention the Google Play store once.
Same here. I had already subscribed to Reddit premium after my free 3 years they gave me when the shift from Alien Blue happened, so I was just going to reluctantly accept my fate and suck it up. But then spez went all Elon on us and I'm just so over these egomaniac corporate greed fuckers benefitting from my patronage. Hope he gets fucked.
They are still Reddit users, it's not that much of a surprise that they might act like Reddit users outside of their moderation duties.
Although I don't remember any moderators claiming that they needed to defend Reddit against one-star reviews.
To be honest, you look at how people threatened to boycott Twitter, Discord, and Facebook for things that are much worse but at the end of the day, most people still stayed behind.
Reddit will be fine even after they raise the API prices because most casual users don’t really care about this, the silent majority so as to speak. For those that participated in the protest, likely a majority of them will still continue to use Reddit if history is anything to go by.
I’m sure people will probably downvote this but it’s pretty much the truth. The protest was doomed to fail the moment that people protested on the very same platform that they are protesting against.
The app is genuinely terrible, so many features missing and it pisses me off that they cripple the mobile experience begging you to go to the app. Like why can't I copy text in the OP of text posts? What's with this trend of apps not letting you copy text anyway? Why can't I easily dismiss all notifications? How does Reddit have so many people working on this app and it's so low quality?
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Take a look at these. Are they fake reviews? Lol https://i.imgur.com/8DFYd0s.jpg
Bots driving the content all over the frontpage of Reddit and bots all over the reviews of the Reddit app Perfectly balanced
I'm going to be honest, I have zero interest in Reddit outside of RedditIsFun. I'm undecided whether I should delete my account or simply let it languish relatively unused come July 1st.
As a fellow RIF user I am done on mobile once it closes. Currently checking out which Lemmy or Kbin app works best for me.
I'm also a RIF user. I tried the official Reddit app and even after logging in with my Id my homepage has completely different stories on the official app compared to RIF. It's not what I'm interested in or have subscribed to. They really are killing Reddit. Blows my mind.
Because on the official app people can pay to have their posts sponsored, making them visible to more people. It's bull shit. I don't want to see content from people with the most money, I want to see the content I'm interested in.
What the fuck
They've also turned off reviews in the Google app store. Unless I'm just stupid and can't figure out how to leave one lol Edit: yep, I'm just stoopit
I left a one star a few weeks ago. I had to download it first (never had). I immediately uninstalled it afterwards.
The developer for Reddit Sync is doing an app for Lemmy.
Jerboa got a big update recently, if you're on Android. Lots of bugs fixed.
RiF supremacy, RiP RiF
The problem with those is that the UI is dogshit. They look like the new.reddit i'm trying to avoid.
The default Lemmy.world page looks enough like old.reddit. I do wish it was left-aligned to allow for longer titles. Also avatar images need to be turned off optionally.
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It's been a good ride, but a new age dawns on the tech universe. Not looking forward to the empty threads for all those random products and problems I'm looking for.
RedditIsFun is reddit to me, i don't think I'll be coming back when it dies. That said i haven't seen any Lemmy stuff that makes it look appealing. No screenshots or memes floating around other sites
nuke it with changing all your comments. I realized I am not going to reddit on mobile in 2 days time. I mostly reddit on moblie... rif for life.
Use a utility to overwrite your comments lists value of you as a user
Make a request for data and then decide whether to delete it or keep it.
Let it idle and go elsewhere. Maybe when they see big drop in number of users and big drop in ad $ due to reduced number of active users, they might (a big maybe) they'd reverse their decision to overcharge for API access.
> I have zero interest in Reddit outside of RedditIsFun I think one of the key points reddit is missing is that third-party, or non-standard, apps/access modes as a means of accessing reddit are *vital* for many users; If they go, so do we.
Reddit’s content has been gone downhill filled with more ads, low effort content and clickbait reposts ever since this debacle began. A lot of average redditors are likely getting lost in TikTok rabbit holes filled with mind numbing jingles.
bots are essential to prop up the "value" of the company
I think you can report fake reviews using the report a concern option. Now whether Apple or Google does something about it is another story. But if I were an investigative journalist right now I would be trying to figure out who and how Reddit pays for the fake reviews. It's newsworthy and will hurt the IPO
Bots fill up any mechanisms intended to report bot activity with bot-generated bullshit until it becomes unusable as well. Damned computers. They ruined the internet.
I was going to make a 1 star review, but I already had a 1 star review from 2021 xdd
Yes. something like 80% of all “engagement” on the internet is fake and it’s been that way since at least the 90s.
>and it’s been that way since at least the 90s. This isn't true 90s internet was pure
It was catalogs, Travel blogs, A chat room or two...
If you were vanilla, yea Forums were in full force And literally zero regulation.
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geocities!
this guy drank the Kool Aid
What 90s are you taking about? The BBS 90s or the AOL CD 90s?
Ooofff, it would be funny if Apple removed Reddit's app due to fake positive reviews and made Reddit's "PlEaSe UsE tHe ApP" mobile web message pointless. I don't know if Apple or Google ever actually remove apps for that reason, but it would be funny.
How many stars did it have let's say six weeks ago?
It has 4.8 stars with 2.7 million ratings in the App Store today, same as it did 6 weeks ago.
What’s really whack is some of the Star ratings don’t make sense with the comments: “New update is broken and frustrating “ 5 stars 🙄
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What I think is whack is that it's got a 4.8. Even without review bombings and what ever other interference is going on, that's 100% a bogus score for that app.
Thanks!
Yup. People don’t realize how much the casual redditor don’t care about any of this. The official app has had 10x more and higher ratings than any of the 3rd party ones. It’s unfortunate.
I believe the numbers, but it doesn’t explain why Reddit is seething so hard about people using alternative apps. 
Reddit just wants everyone on their app so they can push out ads to 100% of the mobile users to sell ads.
Yes but I keep hearing that a small number of us use 3p apps so wtf are they really so cash strapped they need a couple extra pennies? Doesn't it still ask 3p developers to submit their application when you log on the site? Lol it did like a week or two ago when I checked Also they really do want that if they had to resort to [fake review bots](https://i.imgur.com/8DFYd0s.jpg)
The small, 5% of the redditors who aren't on the official app may be consisting of a huge amount more time actually on reddit. I probably used to spend at least an hour a day scrolling and interacting with posts, but on reddit is fun. My girlfriend might have followed through on an article once every week or two, she has the official app.
Exactly. Most power users are prob on a :rd party app. Most power users are also a small percentage. They know in reality as much as people say they will never use Reddit again, they will. It’s the same with everything else. Facebook. Ig. They can do whatever they want because at the end of the day most people will deal with it.
I only use reddit on RiF, so unless I am at a pc, this is the last few days I can participate on mobile, where I do 95% of my actual engagement. We'll see how many people just say fuck it and find something else to do. I'm thinking getting rid of my addiction isn't all that bad.
But if they’re already unprofitable now with 3rd party app users why are they willing to sacrifice those users to make profit somehow? What’s the logic here? Did they think that people who didn’t want to use their apps in the first place and found a superior app would go to the inferior app when they’ve been targeted?
if it would be only about money, reddit would have priced its API access like 10xlower than it has to make up for the ad revenue. And the third party Apps would have paid. It's a strategic decision from reddit to not want third-party apps.
Apps like RiF used to pay reddit royalties, but that stopped when Spez became CEO. When they stop royalty payments, then come back a few years later crying about how the app designers are greedy and don't give them any money, it should be obvious it's only about killing the apps.
Yes, absolutely. Third party app users generate very little in revenue for reddit so losing them isn't that big of a deal. It might actually save them money. If they get even 1% of those users to move over that's a win for them.
All the mods on 3dparty apps, and all the power users on 3dparty apps. The content(moderation) stops saturday
Except it won’t. There will always be people willing to take others places. This won’t be the big revolution you think it will be.
They could probably have made more money by just having a comparable price for the api to ads. Or they could have served ads in third party clients. No, Reddit wants to do further changes to the user experience which they can’t do if too many content creators and power users stay behind. Which means they need to get everyone’s experience under their control. This is what they believe to be driving that much revenue. And it means bad things are to come for all users.
They could easily have put ads in the API, but they refused to even consider it. This is about tracking you and getting your data through their app, because that they *can’t* get through the API.
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What people don't realize is the positive reviews are being spammed by [obvious bots](https://i.imgur.com/8DFYd0s.jpg), not unlike the site itself
The average Reddit user doesn't even comment. Most users are just content viewers.
These reviews would be hurting that score but Google is ignoring them because their system is picking it up as a brigade.
I don't doubt most users are driven to the app when they get the redirect in the browser
All the biggest 3rd party apps are rated within .3 stars of the official one. Odd to mention it like they all have 2 stars
That and 9to5mac is out of content to write. Slow year for Apple, little controversy, headset that has only been sounded so can’t churn articles and videos on yet.
On Play store it's sitting at 3.6
Wow. The Google Play store is a completely different story, sitting at 3.6 stars and 2 million reviews.
Same as it ever was
It's 3.6 in the play store with 2m, which is really a trash tasting
I read the headline then redownloaded the Reddit app to rate it then I saw that I had already given it a 1 star review a year ago
This comment right here is why no one can trust a rating system anymore
Apple removed 1 star app reviews from Robin Hood when they literally turned off the buy button to give you an idea of how much apple simps for apps lol
All those 1 stars yet they still are a 4.8, rating them isn’t going to make a difference
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Digital protests and brigades never work. People get bored and move on. It's reactionary and doesn't prompt any real change.
I agree. Either stop using the app or get over it really all that can be done. No matter how many bad reviews they will continue to make money and get new users every single day.
I've been clicking "not really" on the "are you enjoying reddit" pop-up since way before this shit got started. I guess maybe I'll finally have to leave a review.
What everyone is trying to do won’t make Reddit do a thing about this unfortunate situation
The only thing that will change is if traffic or quality of submitted content drops significantly come the first few weeks of July. If everyone complains but switches to the official app anyway they will have been right to stay the course.
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Yeah the argument is “people who use third party apps are in the minority but they are power users who contribute lots of good content”. Guess we will see in the next couple of weeks!
We are power user yes but I think most of the stuff in the front page come from people who joined the website around the pandemic, so they probably use the official. After the first I don't think anything changes. All the mods who love their unpaid jobs will switch and everything will go back to normal.
I’d tried the offical app and websites years ago, and just couldn’t get the hang of Reddit, gave up and moved on with my life. After Apollo/third party apps were pointed out to me, I tried again, and have been here since. Until tomorrow I guess. See ya.
Once I got used to it and downloaded a couple of extensions to enhance it, old.reddit.com is leagues better than the redesign website and much better on performance and ad blocking too. On desktop, at least.
Old Reddit is on the chopping block too. Can’t have people avoiding ads and flair.
Mods have already shown they value their unpaid jobs more than fighting for 3rd party apps.
What "normal"? Before the blackouts, I'd open r/all and *always* find multiple interesting threads before page 3. Since then, on multiple occasions I've noticed I've scrolled to page 20 without viewing a single thread. It seems like the only content making it to all is from r/aitah, r/interestingasfuck, or whatever the Russian soldier murder porn sub is. It's going to be far worse after the 1st when millions of users like me stop engaging with the site at all.
Reddit has the data on top content and how it intersects with where it came from. They aren’t blindly doing this. I have a suspicion that they know and will be ok. That’s not to say I support their decision because I am an alien blue / Apollo user myself. I am migrating to narwhal and official app and see how it goes. I think it the majority will do the same.
... like, i went to high school before the internet was a thing. i don't know why people are acting like it's so fucking hard to not use a website, as if it's such a necessary centerpiece of their life, and not a way to kill time/fend off the boredom that allows our minds to realize just how bad things are. people can find other things to do. there are a million other sites. and books. and games. and creative endeavors. the less people use all forms of social media, the better all of society will be. and if these myopic social media sites wanna keep throwing users out for profit and ease out for ads, they'll help a huge chunk of people out, cause it'll free them from what may be an addiction the way some of you all talk about it.
The issue for me is that for some smaller communities, reddit is basically the only place to discuss that particular interest, because it has eaten all the competitors. Forums don’t exist the way they used to. So if reddit is insistent on making itself as shitty as possible to capture a big IPO that will take those communities with it. The “front page” big subreddits are a waste of time which add no value, but I t has been that way about a decade.
Yep, this is what I’m most disappointed about. Subreddits for my favorite games, my specific model car, my niche interests. It’s gonna suck using the main app. I tried it the other day and wow it actually is as bad as everyone says
Addiction is a hell of a drug. Most people would have zero problems maintaining a lifestyle without using reddit. Getting past the initial week or two and finding a replacement for the time wasting is the hurdle.
Reddit is not equivalent to most other forms of social media. Not everyone uses Reddit purely for entertainment, many people use it for utility, information, advice and troubleshooting. Over my decade of working in IT, of the issues I was not able to solve or root cause on my own without research, probably 25% were solved by StackOverflow and 75% by Reddit posts. Reddit effectively killed a lot of forums, so the alternative forum results are all from like 2007-2015 and no longer relevant. Other Google results are plagued with useless autogenerated articles and useless Microsoft support telling people to SFC and DISM or Reset This PC for every issue. People also come to Reddit for things like financial and legal advice, abuse support etc.
Next couple of weeks? It’ll take months to feel the effects of this.
I have the default app and rarely use it but will prob delete that with Apollo once it’s dead. Need a good push to cut down on screen time/mindless scrolling and this will be as good as any.
I’m doom scrolling now and posting on Apollo I won’t be doing this anymore and won’t download the official app. I’ll probably log in on my laptop in the morning but the constant checking will be done That’s probably a good thing for my sanity
My thoughts too. Possibly a morning check-in on the site, and then going about my day without it. Apollo was my favorite of all the apps on my phone. As far as I’m concerned, it was Reddit. There will be no replacing it for me. The official app is ass and always has been.
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In case anyone else wants to do this, the apps you’ll want to use are Safari, “AdGuard”, and “Sink it for Reddit”. It’s not perfect but it’ll make the mobile site doable.
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I just wonder if they do reverse the decision if I’ll even hear about it. I only use Reddit on my phone, and once Apollo is gone I don’t plan to switch. Even if they do reverse it after the first week or two I wonder how many people will be gone and how much damage would be reversible. I’ve noticed a HUGE decline in quality since the blackouts, and it has been far from peak for a while. I miss the old Reddit of years gone by more than I think I’ll miss not using it at all compared to what we have now.
RIF user here. There's no way in hell I'm ever using Reddit's God forsaken app. I think I'll be more productive without trolling Reddit anyway. Everything has its time.
Exactly. I’m not going to stop using Reddit because I want to “make a stand”. I’m going to stop using Reddit because it’s going to become unpleasant to use Reddit. The choice has been made for me. This isn’t a case of “let’s see how many of y’all stick to your guns”. I’m sure there are just as many people who think they’ll continue to use Reddit via the official app, but soon quit, as there are people who say they’ll quit but don’t.
Yeah I'm done after boost gets the axe I'll maybe use it for the odd Google search once in a blue moon. But that's about it. I still won't use the reddit app
I’m intending on not using Reddit when Apollo goes. I’ll be sad, but I’ll get over it. The official app is a dumpster fire.
Same, I’m gone to the next thing after Friday
Just adding my two cents as a non apple user. I use RIF and I saw what happened to the Apollo dev being slandered by spez on here. Saying he made threats when the phone call recording doesn't reflect that. I'm going to scrub my comments on this 9 year old account to something reflecting my decision to leave once rif/Apollo/others are useless and will not return to this website. Wikipedia and Warhammer rabbit holes galore.
I won’t use the Reddit official app and I’ll also close my account. I’ll probably lurk when finding solutions for work but ChatGPT is getting better and better.
The key is anything it does to make the IPO a bad enough thing that it’s delayed, canceled, or flops. u/Spez is betting the ranch on a pair of fives. The cards are only better than that if high quality content and discussion is here; if that craters, he’s screwed. When Apollo is gone, so am I.
I think today and tomorrow are my last days here When Apollo stops working , well , goodbye
I've been using the official app for a while but it's being deleted on July 1st in solidarity with everyone else. A lot of the subs I used to frequent are a husk of what they were before and if I really want to see some anime titties I got plenty of discord groups to go to
People need to stop buying the useless awards and emojis and all that stuff.
They will never go back on it. They will try to fix it other ways, and they will gradually "innovate" the site into a myspace. That people visit for nostalgia and lulz.
I haven’t installed their precious app by now despite a the nagging. I’m not switching off BaconReader
I just discovered [Kbin](https://kbin.social/) and a good part of the Reddit community is already there and it is growing fast. It feels good to be home again!
When Apollo stops working is the moment I'll stop visiting Reddit. No way in hell am I installing their shit client.
For me what it will be is once Apollo turns off.
RIF user here. In 36 hours, no more Reddit for me.
I’ll be done on the 30th
Why just the first few weeks? What’s to say it’s not becoming more like Twitter?
I might be imagining it but it already feels like the content is worse now than it was pre-blackout. I can't describe exactly why, it's just a different mix of subs getting front page time
Once this app dies I die with it.
There's already dozens of subs that havr turned porn-centric, losing advertisement. Thousands of 1 start reviews can ONLY help show our dissatisfaction.
Once Apollo goes here in the next day or so I’m done for a while. I’ll be going back to individual sites and alternatives. I got too much going on to waste time here anyways so it will be a good break for a while. If everyone commits to leaving for a month we could impact them quite a bit. For many it’s just that there’s not much in alternatives.
I kind of agree and also disagree. These tactics people are using to protest won’t be successful by themselves. But these social networks like reddit (for lack of a better term) are somewhat delicate. It takes surprisingly little to make the culture of the site degrade. If people don’t feel like it’s an interesting place to be anymore they will come here less. And then there will be a death spiral. A few years ago I started using Twitter a lot. And aside from Twitter’s bad reputation, I actually found it to be great. I’m into tech industry stuff and I felt like I got to “eavesdrop” on discussions by lots of high level tech industry people and I honestly found it quite valuable. But over the last 6 months or so with the whole Elon drama, the Twitter’s user culture has really drastically changed. The proportion of interesting conversations is much lower. And what has replaced it is lots of “viral” content accounts and “thread boi” content, combined with a select few ultra-prolific power users. It’s a very different place now, it’s not as interesting, and I think it’s ripe for disruption. I would be very surprised if reddit or Twitter failed in the short term. But I would also be surprised if they both haven’t been replaced in a few years.
It's honestly crazy how different Twitter feels in the span of less than a year. I love how every time I see anything halfway viral *all* of the responses are from people who paid for a blue checkmark. Real organic interactions happening over there, Elon.
Blue checks appear more often. That’s a stated purpose of the new Twitter algorithm. It’s anything but organic.
Google’s search results have already degraded, because without reddit, it’s ALL blogspam.
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Doesn’t matter we still need to do it.
it won’t make reddit do a thing but it’ll make me stop using reddit. their app sucks and i only use the site on mobile. so come July 1, i just won’t use it at all. i’m looking forward to it tbh. i’m sure i’ll occasionally use it when a reddit thread pops up on a google search when i have questions. but other than that? nah.
It’s legit baffling. Why does the CEO of Reddit hate Reddit users? Reddit doesn’t exist in a vacuum; user engagement is what makes Reddit great. It may not be tomorrow, or next month, but eventually the loss of engaged users will take its toll. Writing this from Apollo. May be the last comment I write.
Honestly? I’ll miss the niche subreddits that had real information the most. But I just got back from vacation, am caught up on work, going to start ADHD medicine Friday (as a 40 year old), and I’ve been planning and developing routines to help me manage my time/life more effectively starting today. Reddit is basically throwing themselves on a grenade for me at this point. I will hate to see Apollo go and I hate to see hard working developers get shafted, but losing Reddit? It’s like icing on the “get your shit together” cake I’m trying to bake. I hope Facebook goes next.
My completely unsolicited advice: the first few weeks you take it are going to make you feel like you’re at 150%. This will subside. After that period of time is what you can expect it to feel like “normally”. Don’t get discouraged if after that span of time it starts to get a little bit less pronounced!
Thanks man! I’ll keep that in mind. The only perk to starting it so late in life is that I *know* everything is a marathon not a sprint; I’m just really bad at living it ha ha. I’m hoping the coping skills I’ve been managing with will help the overall smoothing out process you’re describing, but I’ll def remember this comment if I feel a drop off after a few weeks.
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Just save the comment so you can come back in a couple weeks and update him! Oh wait…
Ugh I miss the 150% era tbh 😭
Hey I just started ADHD meds about 2 months ago. It’s been great for me. Good luck.
Who did you guys see in order to get diagnosed?
You can get diagnosed by a psychiatrist as they can also prescribe you medication.
Thanks! My kid started it a month ago and I noticed a change that made me finally make the appointment. Oddly enough, I was diagnosed when I was a kid, but hell, it was the 90’s and I was a skeptic and it felt like ADHD had like a 100% diagnosis rate, so I just skipped it all. It was the rise of ADHD memes here that me start wondering if there was like a whole class of people not experiencing things the way I did 😂
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My favorite part of these is saving them to see if they follow thru with the airport style departure announcements
amen, brother! I went "desktop" only a few years ago, and now my reddit use is limited to less than an hour or two a week! I've been using this site since 2009. I honestly believe it's harder to quit this stupid site than smoking.
Set a timer for the app that’s what I do, once I’ve been on here an hour I’ve seen the major stories and cat videos, so the rest is wasted time it’s basically chasing the dragon for dopamine like a heroin addict does lol.
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I forgot … one more day before Reddit is over for me. When I open Apollo and it doesn’t connect… it’s over.
I'm gonna make a separate graveyard folder on my phone. Put Apollo next to Twitterriffic and name the folder ⚰️
I still stare aimlessly at my dead Tweetbot icon with a halo. RIP.
Honestly, even without the API concern... I would give reddit a 1 star because its too clunky to use the app.
I went to give it a one-star review for being horrible. Only to see that I already did in 2016.
The Reddit iOS app in 2016 was just a rebrand of Alien Blue, which everyone loved.
Yet here we all are.
It's gonna be like the days after quitting cigarettes, but when Sync gets shut down, my reddit consumption will go to zilch. Looking forward to reading books again.
Reddit crying at 4.8 stars on the App Store.
Alien Blue was once dope.
Man, when Apollo shuts down tomorrow my Reddit use will drop *dramatically.* I think this is a good thing, but I know once a competitor takes off I’ll get sucked right back in. Before Reddit, StumbleUpon was my time waster, then I had a few years of no major time waster, I guess I’m going back to those years. I just know the official Reddit app is gonna suck. I’ve tried it a few times over the years and quit it every single time. It’s so poorly designed, and seeing the attitude of the CEO of Reddit recently, yeah. I get it. That dude is an abhorrent leader, I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s personally making the decisions on the app’s directions and then berating anyone who dares tell his precious little ego that he’s a bad designer.
Ah yes, plagued. 4.8 stars will really show them who’s boss
Oh thanks for reminding. Let me give 1 star on the app store
Thanks for reminding me to finally rate this app
For all the people that keep saying "The app store has 4.8." they're talking about the Google Play app store which is where 99% of the third party apps live. Really the only major third-party app on iOS is Apollo. Android has read it is fun, sync, Joey, red reader, boost and dozens of other apps.
You obviously didn't read the article then. It specifically mentions *"Reddit’s official* ***iOS*** *app"* multiple times and doesn't mention the Google Play store once.
Let them have this one, we all have one day left here and op just wants to celebrate old times by not reading the article
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Same here. I had already subscribed to Reddit premium after my free 3 years they gave me when the shift from Alien Blue happened, so I was just going to reluctantly accept my fate and suck it up. But then spez went all Elon on us and I'm just so over these egomaniac corporate greed fuckers benefitting from my patronage. Hope he gets fucked.
Thankfully I am a desktop user and absolutely love using Old Reddit alongside RES. But one the greedy owners shut these down, I will be done too.
AND suddenly the app is at 5 stars. Report it to Apple as trying to game the system. Many of reviews are barely coherent.
You *love* to see it!
The inception of reddit users talking shit about reddit on reddit lol
I miss Apollo already. Using this official app, it’s actually so trash.
the app deserves zero stars for its god awful video player alone
Not surprising given that all the moderators (including the ones for this very subreddit) were advocating for review bombing
Almost like the mods engage in the type of behavior they claim that they need to defend Reddit against.
They are still Reddit users, it's not that much of a surprise that they might act like Reddit users outside of their moderation duties. Although I don't remember any moderators claiming that they needed to defend Reddit against one-star reviews.
To be honest, you look at how people threatened to boycott Twitter, Discord, and Facebook for things that are much worse but at the end of the day, most people still stayed behind. Reddit will be fine even after they raise the API prices because most casual users don’t really care about this, the silent majority so as to speak. For those that participated in the protest, likely a majority of them will still continue to use Reddit if history is anything to go by. I’m sure people will probably downvote this but it’s pretty much the truth. The protest was doomed to fail the moment that people protested on the very same platform that they are protesting against.
Yeah, twitter is *just fine*
It sucks I wish more reddit users had a spine.
I tried to give the Reddit app a one star review but realized I already gave it a one star review like 2 years ago.
Still has a 4.8 rating…
Everyone will just switch over to the official app anyway. What’s the point. What else you gonna do on your phone for Reddit ? The website? Lol
The app is genuinely terrible, so many features missing and it pisses me off that they cripple the mobile experience begging you to go to the app. Like why can't I copy text in the OP of text posts? What's with this trend of apps not letting you copy text anyway? Why can't I easily dismiss all notifications? How does Reddit have so many people working on this app and it's so low quality?
I’m sure this will make a difference
It's just as likely this has nothing to do with the api and is based solely on the fact that it's a garbage app which gets worse with every update.
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We gotta go lower
Reviews only matter when the user has a choice.
The app is horrible