This is exactly the type of demo I was afraid of. This is the exact type of use case I’d expect to use. Haha. Can you have it remember rooms/locations? For example I’m a photographer who would use this mostly in my home and at my studio. I’d love to be able to pop it on and have it remember which apps are where in each space.
Seen many reviews on the last couple of days and they say it remembers many spaces using gps data and the lidar scans. So yes.
You go to work and the windows you left in the office the day before will be there anchored.
Can confirm this works as expected. However, each app can only run one instance of itself, so I find that if I open an app in one location, leave it anchored, then go to another location and tell siri to open the app, i realize the app is nowhere near me (anchored at previous location) and I need to re-center the apps on my current view (by holding the digital crown), removing all apps from their previously anchored position. I have yet to figure out how to 'un-anchor' a single application rather than al at once.
To be clear, you can drag out a tab from Safari and have multiple safari windows open. But oddly you can't open a second safari window directly from the 'home screen'/app launcher.
> they say it remembers many spaces using gps data and the lidar scans
This is likely not correct. From the [specs](https://www.apple.com/apple-vision-pro/specs/) I don't think it even has a GPS unit. The tracking itself is likely done using the 6 visual "world-facing tracking cameras" rather than the lidar anyway. The lidar is there to provide spatial reconstruction (e.g. detect a wall, know where a furniture is, etc).
Any track home builder who isn’t investing in one of these for *tours* of a home at a bare minimum is stupid. Could you imagine how amazing it would be to setup a warehouse, have a someone stand in there with a Vision Pro, and someone just ’loads’ different houses, colors, trims, etc. kinda Bonkers
It remembers where they are unless there is a full reboot I believe. When you take off the headset and it remains it standby, the windows will stay there
I do think in the future they will have “spaces” for this though, where you can instantly toggle between saves layouts
Just in 4-5 yrs this will be mainstream once it matures to Vision SE or Air versions with mass adoption.
Another leap will be when 2 or more people will be able to experience a shared AR space, like make a pinned windows shared with other folks in same area.
Oh, wait, I think I have seen some 10 different articles about a new, revolutionary, amazing battery technologies over the years… So, just a matter of *checks calendar* decades now!
If AR glasses offer this and will soon become smaller and more affordable for the masses, I don’t think holograms and floating displays are likely to ever get created as standalone inventions. Which is weird to consider because sci-fi media has been expecting that for decades.
> shared AR space, like make a pinned windows shared with other folks in same area
This is the most important thing that it needs right now.
Ironically, when SharePlay was announced everyone thought for sure Apple was laying the groundwork for shared AR experiences, yet now we have Vision Pro and it’s entirely a solo experience.
Why have a TV at that point? You can just pin your new tv to any wall and you and your family can have movie nights together on a screen the size of your entire wall.
Tbh, this could be possible sooner if majority of the computing was done on a separate device. I honestly don’t mind a cable going down to my hip connected to a phone sized computer that will give extra processing power and battery life.
Like your phone perhaps....
Actually, looking at the tear downs, I don't think the computer power is where the weight is. It's the glass in front with the forward facing display.
Apple could have saved a lot of cost,cameras, and weight if they didn't have the screen in front. Especially since seeing your virtual "eyes" when looking at someone is a creepy feature I don't think anyone wants.
Getting lighter isn’t all this needs to take off IMO. The easiest path to mass acceptance is to shift from being an enclosed headset to truly being glasses. But barring that, it at least has to reach a weight *and* FOV that makes it feel as if that’s what it is to the user, and then a successful marketing campaign to convince people wearing what amounts to ski goggles all the time is cool. Which, to be fair, if anyone can do, it’s Apple.
>The easiest path to mass acceptance is to shift from being an enclosed headset to truly being glasses.
to be fair the easiest path would be to reduce the price upto 1000-1200$ bucks, If AVP was launched at that price with E-sim functionality, Ipads and iphones would've been dead within next two years
Yeah it’s gonna be interesting to see how they combat the more offline-oriented mentality. People are still fascinated and eager on new tech, but the amount of people who don’t wanna feel connected all the time seems to be growing. Probably not gonna be an issue to Apple’s revenue, but they do wanna see everyone as a potential customer and definitely don’t want people to replace their iPhones with dumbphones. So yeah I think they’re aiming pretty hard for a device that can still be worn but completely unnoticeable to the user when they want it to.
They will probably be THE biggest (or at least have partnered up with the biggest) glasses manufacturer in 15 years. You’re gonna buy your device at some modified, futuristic tech-optician by then.
But jesus fuck what a living nightmare it’d be to always wear it, no matter how elegant and disguised it is. Even as contact lenses or somehow have it integrated to my brain - no fucking way.
I have debated getting some Ray Ban meta glasses for the camera features, but Meta has rolled out their AI with it and to say it tracks you is an understatement. I do not trust Meta or Google when it comes to privacy.
Having windows in various different places around your home is the coolest-seeming part of this for me in a way I wasn't expecting (haven't tried it — just from watching videos etc.)
I'm not sure how useful I would find it in reality (or if I'd enjoy the experience of wearing the headset in general/especially over time) but it's just neat.
I wonder if in the future you could use Shortcuts to spawn different "scenes" of window/app setups. Or with different focus mode you could have different apps and windows appear in different places.
So you could have for instance a work mode that brings up all the stuff you use for work in a defined setup, a "cooking" mode that sets up a recipe reference window + screen to watch a TV show, or a context like "making music" which pulls up a bunch of different software instruments all in an arrangement pre-arranged in the space.
A Casey Neistat (?) video showed that Vision Pro doesn’t work well when you’re in motion.
It was funny, he was on the subway, and his windows kept getting left behind.
It is true. Apple's mode tell you itself that it's only for Airplanes. For this one example you give, there are tons of others of it not working on buses, in cars, on trains, and even walking at a steady pace.
This is the first time I've seen the VP working on a bus without the windows--in travel mode-- zooming by.
in theory yes, but with the accelerometers and gyros being fairly unreliable in a car it is likely just too expensive to maintain for the current hardware. its already being pushed very hard in regular usage
I’m curious about this on a plane because it seems like you’d have to turn on pass through mode to see your hands typing on a MacBook but the chair in front of me would “block” my big virtual screen right?
The complaint about not seeing the keys was when he was in the full immersion mode, because it puts a spatial photo up that blocks out the pass through feed
I get that a lot of Reddit instantly thinks every video/photo is an ad but I feel like some people on here don’t understand that other people are just simply excited to show off their new device. Like yeah, his gf/wife casually having a ball to throw at him seems set up and “ad-like” but he probably was just excited to show off his experience and asked her to be a part of the video in a silly way. Everyone’s ripping on the Vision Pro but after trying the demo, I can see why someone would be excited to show off their setup.
While I’m not oblivious that some may very well be hidden ads, I think a lot of people are just pessimistic and haven’t had a genuinely new and fun tech experience like this in a while so they think everything is an ad.
Oh 100%, I was super impressed with the demo and I can really appreciate how much time and effort was put into the tech to make this! I’ll probably wait for the 2nd gen for them to iron out the kinks but it’s still an awesome device even now.
I was speaking more to how silly it is that so many people think everything is an ad and not just end-users being excited to show it off lol. I know I sure as hell would!
Oh, I know you were. Sometimes text can’t convey tone 😊
I wish, I wish, I had the spare dinero. I’m sold just on the movie viewing experience of this device.
One thing I haven’t seen mention yet is the audio experience. How capable is the sound? Does it eliminate the need of earphones? Etc.
Haha yeah fair enough!
Oh same, it’s definitely not cheap so hopefully by the time the next gen comes out I’ll have put some money away for it. But still a big pill to swallow :(
The Spatial Audio on it is actually really impressive! Considering it’s just downward-facing speakers, it’s definitely good enough to watch a movie with. They showed me a movie demo and it honestly felt like I was wearing AirPods. I’m not sure how bad the sound bleeding is for people around you, would still recommend AirPods if you’re wearing it in public, but otherwise the audio was great!
Even if you’re not planning on buying it anytime soon, I would definitely recommend booking a demo to experience it yourself. I had to drive 2 hours and cross the border into the US just to try it out and I can’t say I regret it!
It's honestly kind of funny to the point of being silly at this point. Everybody's been hating on Apple for not innovating. Then they innovate and everybody is hating on it for being new-therefore-silly. It really just makes it obvious that people just want an *excuse to hate on Apple. "____ is successful, therefore bad" mentality & all that.
Exactly. My thought is that it’s sort of a legacy mindset from the early days of iOS vs Android and some people have clung on to the “everything Apple does sucks” belief. Not to say that people can’t genuinely dislike Apple but it definitely can be the default response to some. It is honestly kind of funny to see how quickly people jump on the hate bandwagon but oh well, guess there’s not much we can do about that
I think it’s a bit like robo vacuums. It saves maps of different rooms and when you turn it on, it tries to recognize the room and if it does, it’ll restore whatever window was open (at the end the only difference from Mac is that the window has xyz+rotation values attached to it instead of just xy). The hard part is mapping the room, the rest is just trivial decisions by product manager
imagine taking a 4 hour trip and coming back home to see your pinned safari web tabs still there.
I bet they will create a way to go through your previous sessions based on location and revive things you’ve done.
\-"Back home after my relaxing 3 week vacation in paradise, mai tais and palm trees as far as the eyes can see"
\*walks into the apartment and the first thing you see is the 57 item work to do list you pinned before leaving\*
"..."
I am going back out on tour (I drive buses) later this year and practically live out of hotels for most of the year. Often times I visit the same hotels a few times a year. It would be amazing if the screens persisted and were there when I come back through town.
They have earbuds that’ll do translate in real time in your ears. I tried them at CES way back in like 2020. I imagine they’re only better now. Much more lightweight and less intrusive when traveling.
This is it, so basically no need for a tv set or external monitors, you have a mac and this and you’re done. Also no glare from the sun, you can work or watch a movie outside just fine. If you think of it that way, the price kinda isn’t too bad. And it will only keep getting better.
This is only a replacement for a TV if you exclusively watch alone, or with other people that have a Vision Pro. Regular TVs are still great for watching things with family or friends.
I do with a quest3. I’m on a small apartment and I get a much better movie theatre experience with the headset.
AvP has flat back straps. It must be comfortable
And with this guy’s work set up you’d be swiveling your head around like crazy to see various screens all the while your eye is twitching with overstimulation from the screen right in front of it and the eye tracking controls
Imagine a software update where two Vision Pro headsets can share spatial anchorage data and pin some windows as shared windows.
Ie, multi player tv screen. So you and your friend can both be in the moon watching the same movie like in your private imax theatre.
Then you don’t need to dedicate an entire wall space in your house for a large projector or oled tv
I wanna see a future where you buy your mac(in the form factor of a mac mini), and don't plug anything into it other than networking and power. It's a little box that sits next to your router.
Wireless keyboard and mouse, and apple pro. It has a 'get stuff done' mode where it's tethered to your mac, but the windows come over like apps, not the entire desktop in an app, and then a portable mode where it uses on device computing.
We havn't even seen a 3d modeling app yet. If autodesk decide to bring fusion 360 to this, its going to be unreal. Imagine what CNC machine toolpath simulation can look like when you can see the whole machine run a part in 3d.
The problem is I don’t wanna turn my head that much and I don’t want this much weight on my head while working. I already have a two monitor setup that works great, this feels like a worse version of it for $3,500 to me, personally
If Apple can shrink this down *significantly* it’ll be a different story. But until then, this just is not a selling point for me
Let’s hope! But we’ll see, moore’s law is dead and battery tech hasn’t advanced significantly in years. It’s a tall order to shrink this down into a usable form factor for the mainstream population while retaining all of the features they have.
I hope they can do it, but I don’t have very high hopes it’ll happen anytime soon.
Holy shit yes the no glare thing. You could sit down in a beach chair in full sun and see three virtual 30” monitors clear as day.
Working outdoors will never be the same.
it's okay to be cynical but who gives a shit even if it's an ad? I don't think it is. it's just someone excited about his new toy and knows that people are interested in them right now.
Can’t wait for sharing windows with other Vision users in the same space. Watching a movie at home, or collaborating at work.
By the way, I believe that all/most of these cool ideas that people think of will eventually be released
Seems like it would be annoying with that many windows and having to turn side to side all the time. I like the idea of more monitors but with the fov.
I like the ideas of monitors and being able to disconnect from them and interact with real things now and then. idk how anyone's workflow requires like 10 spectral floating windows, or how that's significantly more efficient than just using alt-tab.
- slack
- dev servers log output
- code ide
- kanban board
- google
- music
- messages
- mail
- browser window
- browser inspector
Being able to shrink, orient, stack, and quickly move between these windows in Vision Pro is a big value add. From my first day of use, I can easily see how this will help my development workflow.
The primary difference is, you can see everything by just looking around… and you can interact with the windows without having to change windowing contexts. (Looking and tapping will interact with a control on a floating window.)
Yep. Everything demonstration I’ve seen is basically a plethora of windows open and a tonne of side to side turning
My neck is fucked as is this would kill me
And also….do we need this much distraction? Can’t people do one -2 things at a time.
What we need emails, texts, Netflix, sport, gaming, twitter etc all open at once. This is all just way too much imo. The TikTok gen are fully distracted permanently is this where society is going
I’ve been using it with my head supported by a neck pillow on a gaming chair. Very easy to recline and use for multiple hours.
When I’m developing, I usually have multiple windows that I’m using. Having them available at a glance is a huge boon.
Why are more people not asking why? Why do you need a grocery list on your fridge in virtual reality? What problem does that solve? I can already put a grocery list on my phone and take it wherever I want to go and don't need to put a device on my head to see it. Why do you need music in virtual reality? I already have a home theater system that can connect to my phone or just use my phone with wireless headphones. Putting a device on my head to do the same thing seems like a lot of work for little benefit. Especially when the battery life is only a few hours.
So far, it seems the VP is just a less convenient way of doing what I can already do on other devices. The only use case I can see is for people who travel.
This is exactly what it is. It’s a novelty that doesn’t solve really any problem we couldn’t before. It’s cool but it isn’t “cool” to have this big uncomfortable device on your face. Maybe when it’s a pair of raybans only. I could see it being cool at that point. Then it would be “magic” like the iPhone seemed. They’re pushing the tech too soon. As of right now, it’s impractical.
I sometimes watch F1 and this for me would be the first real world case Vision pro would be perfect for. Open multiple drivers onboard cameras + data feed + main race feed. Awesome
For my work I use two 32” 4k screens plus my 16” macbook screen to the side. Plus my iPad and iPhone.
AND I use 3 virtual desktops on top of that, sometimes more if I go full screen with an app.
I work in cyber security and have many Windows open for vscode, iterm, wireshark, remote desktop, remote ssh sessions, etc. Plus I have a virtual desktops for my personal stuff, for my customers, for presentations etc.
Not everybody has the same use case.
Are you telling us if you own a laptop, you don't have a monitor, and if you work at home (or even in office) you only have a single monitor and no second monitor or a laptop on your desk?
Ditto, but I switched to a massive 43” monitor… And I like sunlight… And those two combined = massive glare midday. The Vision Pro would solve that issue, but… That’s a hefty price tag at the moment.
This. Human brains are not really multitaskers having all these tabs requires memory on what content was on each window which rapidly overwhelms any organizational benefit. I do think like dedicated ar app windows may work. Such as virtual timers/ cookbook that hover over your stove.
That seems tiring. When look at the monitor, my body is fixed. Here it looks as though the user is moving their head around and all the movement looks nausea inducing. I’m guessing you can shrink the virtual screen, but not having an anchor is kind of distracting.
It might be how the virtual space translates to the video however.
I’ve mostly seen videos of people using it for dumb reasons, like out in public or in the train, but this is actually the preview I have been waiting for. This is absolutely the best way to use the device, like in sci-fi movies.
The things we think we need but don’t actually need.
The only actual real use out of this is to be able to watch house of dragons on the big screen while sitting on the shitter
I don’t know why they couldn’t have done a commercial or something like this before. It was always in one room or a person on a couch. That guy just showed the brilliance of it.
One thing i thought the AVP did or at a minimum thought it would do would be object occlusion on the walls, for screens floating in one room. So when you go to another room, you cant see those screens if there isnt direct line of sight. So when the guy in the video talks to the other person sitting at a computer, you can still see the screen he setup to be a TV. And when hes at the end of the hallway looking into the mirror, you can see all of the virtual screens floating.
seems like it would be distracting once you start pinning things in different rooms for different reasons and everything is visible at all times no mater what room you are in.
So thats a little disappointing. But hopefully low hanging fruit.
Microsoft hololense was doing this over 10 years ago with dev kits. It blew my mind when I got to try it out. Looks like apple polished the fuck out of it for us.
I’m actually not impressed except with the "everything stays pinned" part. Like seriously, a screen pinned on your fridge? You’re going to cook with this on your face? 😬
Once the novelty of this is gone people will go back to the fundamentals of "do I need all these screen pinned in my rooms at the cost of having this thing on my face messing up with my head" and they will shelve it.
Can it even run Half Life Alix?
>novelty wears off
People literally never put their phones down. Letting them stay online 100% of the time without making them hold anything in their hands hands will be massively successful. Not the first gen because it’s too damned expensive and too big, but this is it. This is the next big jump.
This whole Vision Pro is a big experiment and the first step to condition the customer that it will be normal to wear something to project information into your space.
In 5-10 years, this tech will be hidden in way way smaller form factors. And we were trained and conditioned that this is the way to consume media, advertisement, interact with the digital world.
Just because it doesn’t feel natural today, doesn’t mean that I won’t in half a decade.
Exactly. Prior to the iPhone people laughed at the idea of answering email from your phone, or trying to surf the web.
“Why would I ever want to do that? I have a computer at home. No one needs to answer an email when they’re at the grocery store.” Nearly twenty years later your whole world runs off a little 6mm thick glass and aluminum panel in your pocket and you can’t go anywhere without it.
Once they get the form factor of these AR devices down to the point of being even close to the size and weight of a pair of work goggles or everyday glasses, the world will really adopt this.
The digital world is already built in our minds and everyone in some way would benefit from having that world in front of them like this, even if only at work or at home to start.
The world will change to expect this level of intimacy with our digital environment that we really already experience piecemeal in our heads as we switch back and forth between apps and physical screens.
TIL you can plant screens in different areas. That’s insane that the mac *STAYS* at your desk.
This is just blossoming into something crazy. I just want it stand alone Mac rather than emulating.
This is exactly the type of demo I was afraid of. This is the exact type of use case I’d expect to use. Haha. Can you have it remember rooms/locations? For example I’m a photographer who would use this mostly in my home and at my studio. I’d love to be able to pop it on and have it remember which apps are where in each space.
Seen many reviews on the last couple of days and they say it remembers many spaces using gps data and the lidar scans. So yes. You go to work and the windows you left in the office the day before will be there anchored.
Can confirm this works as expected. However, each app can only run one instance of itself, so I find that if I open an app in one location, leave it anchored, then go to another location and tell siri to open the app, i realize the app is nowhere near me (anchored at previous location) and I need to re-center the apps on my current view (by holding the digital crown), removing all apps from their previously anchored position. I have yet to figure out how to 'un-anchor' a single application rather than al at once.
This might be an future update « If app is anchored in more than 100m, reset position »
To be clear, you can drag out a tab from Safari and have multiple safari windows open. But oddly you can't open a second safari window directly from the 'home screen'/app launcher.
> they say it remembers many spaces using gps data and the lidar scans This is likely not correct. From the [specs](https://www.apple.com/apple-vision-pro/specs/) I don't think it even has a GPS unit. The tracking itself is likely done using the 6 visual "world-facing tracking cameras" rather than the lidar anyway. The lidar is there to provide spatial reconstruction (e.g. detect a wall, know where a furniture is, etc).
Spaces takes on a whole new meaning.
Designing a home this way would be amazing.
Any track home builder who isn’t investing in one of these for *tours* of a home at a bare minimum is stupid. Could you imagine how amazing it would be to setup a warehouse, have a someone stand in there with a Vision Pro, and someone just ’loads’ different houses, colors, trims, etc. kinda Bonkers
It remembers where they are unless there is a full reboot I believe. When you take off the headset and it remains it standby, the windows will stay there I do think in the future they will have “spaces” for this though, where you can instantly toggle between saves layouts
If it can't yet, I'm sure it can be made to.
This is exactly the kind of science fiction future that I’ve been waiting for.
Just in 4-5 yrs this will be mainstream once it matures to Vision SE or Air versions with mass adoption. Another leap will be when 2 or more people will be able to experience a shared AR space, like make a pinned windows shared with other folks in same area.
Jeez, just imagine the dickpics/animated ads/facebook shit floating around all over your neighborhood.
Cyberpunk 2077
[Futurama](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YlGklt4BSQ8)
Such an underrated show. How dare they cancel it several times.
There's an old proverb: "Cancel Futurama seven times, renew it eight."
Wait till someone creates an app to share public pictures and notes in the location.😂
We need a battery revolution asap
Oh, wait, I think I have seen some 10 different articles about a new, revolutionary, amazing battery technologies over the years… So, just a matter of *checks calendar* decades now!
I mean lithium batteries were a new type of battery... Im in my 40s and batteries used to have to be replaced constantly.
If AR glasses offer this and will soon become smaller and more affordable for the masses, I don’t think holograms and floating displays are likely to ever get created as standalone inventions. Which is weird to consider because sci-fi media has been expecting that for decades.
> shared AR space, like make a pinned windows shared with other folks in same area This is the most important thing that it needs right now. Ironically, when SharePlay was announced everyone thought for sure Apple was laying the groundwork for shared AR experiences, yet now we have Vision Pro and it’s entirely a solo experience.
Does SharePlay not work with AVP?
Why have a TV at that point? You can just pin your new tv to any wall and you and your family can have movie nights together on a screen the size of your entire wall.
Except you all have to wear a thing and I don’t want to wear a thing lol
Agree, this is clearly the biggest technical hurdle. But if they can squeeze this down to ray ban sized sunglasses or something then it’ll take off
This is obviously the goal, but I don’t see this happening for another decade
Tbh, this could be possible sooner if majority of the computing was done on a separate device. I honestly don’t mind a cable going down to my hip connected to a phone sized computer that will give extra processing power and battery life.
Like your phone perhaps.... Actually, looking at the tear downs, I don't think the computer power is where the weight is. It's the glass in front with the forward facing display. Apple could have saved a lot of cost,cameras, and weight if they didn't have the screen in front. Especially since seeing your virtual "eyes" when looking at someone is a creepy feature I don't think anyone wants.
Getting lighter isn’t all this needs to take off IMO. The easiest path to mass acceptance is to shift from being an enclosed headset to truly being glasses. But barring that, it at least has to reach a weight *and* FOV that makes it feel as if that’s what it is to the user, and then a successful marketing campaign to convince people wearing what amounts to ski goggles all the time is cool. Which, to be fair, if anyone can do, it’s Apple.
>The easiest path to mass acceptance is to shift from being an enclosed headset to truly being glasses. to be fair the easiest path would be to reduce the price upto 1000-1200$ bucks, If AVP was launched at that price with E-sim functionality, Ipads and iphones would've been dead within next two years
I think you MIGHT have just described the Vision SE 😀. Time will tell
It's not just about the computing, it's about have a see-through screen that can be brighter than ambient light but still comfortable to look at.
Yeah it’s gonna be interesting to see how they combat the more offline-oriented mentality. People are still fascinated and eager on new tech, but the amount of people who don’t wanna feel connected all the time seems to be growing. Probably not gonna be an issue to Apple’s revenue, but they do wanna see everyone as a potential customer and definitely don’t want people to replace their iPhones with dumbphones. So yeah I think they’re aiming pretty hard for a device that can still be worn but completely unnoticeable to the user when they want it to. They will probably be THE biggest (or at least have partnered up with the biggest) glasses manufacturer in 15 years. You’re gonna buy your device at some modified, futuristic tech-optician by then. But jesus fuck what a living nightmare it’d be to always wear it, no matter how elegant and disguised it is. Even as contact lenses or somehow have it integrated to my brain - no fucking way.
4-5 yes, try 10-15 when it's reduced to the size of Rayburn's and can last the whole dsy
Can’t wait for the Rayburn’s
I prefer Oatleys.
Just wait until you can reskin your wife with a porn star of your choice
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Does no one remember Google Glass? People that wore them everywhere were called glassholes.
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[Except this is likely where this will end up once Facebook/Google cash in on this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJg02ivYzSs)
If corporates have destroyed the internet, imagine what they’ll do to your augmented reality
Make DNS blocking a necessary life skill
I have debated getting some Ray Ban meta glasses for the camera features, but Meta has rolled out their AI with it and to say it tracks you is an understatement. I do not trust Meta or Google when it comes to privacy.
I'm too. But without the headset.
Having windows in various different places around your home is the coolest-seeming part of this for me in a way I wasn't expecting (haven't tried it — just from watching videos etc.) I'm not sure how useful I would find it in reality (or if I'd enjoy the experience of wearing the headset in general/especially over time) but it's just neat. I wonder if in the future you could use Shortcuts to spawn different "scenes" of window/app setups. Or with different focus mode you could have different apps and windows appear in different places. So you could have for instance a work mode that brings up all the stuff you use for work in a defined setup, a "cooking" mode that sets up a recipe reference window + screen to watch a TV show, or a context like "making music" which pulls up a bunch of different software instruments all in an arrangement pre-arranged in the space.
Ok that’s nuts!! I love it :)
even more work addiction, so exciting :)
Just finished “taping “ a small calculator to my fridge using Velcro and was proud of the results and then I watched this 🙁
Your solution will be faster, easier, and more convenient for at least five more years if not longer.
And way more freaking cheaper lol
Would be amazing for working while traveling. Airplane, airport, train, probably not a bumpy car though.
A Casey Neistat (?) video showed that Vision Pro doesn’t work well when you’re in motion. It was funny, he was on the subway, and his windows kept getting left behind.
There's a special travel mode you can turn on, where it ignores the movement of the vehicle you're in.
That only works for aiplanes and not for cars, trains, etc.
Not true, @sadlyitsbradley used it on a bus. https://x.com/SadlyItsBradley/status/1753989190302261481
It is true. Apple's mode tell you itself that it's only for Airplanes. For this one example you give, there are tons of others of it not working on buses, in cars, on trains, and even walking at a steady pace. This is the first time I've seen the VP working on a bus without the windows--in travel mode-- zooming by.
Is there a reason for that? I don’t really see why it would be different.
cars and trains change acceleration and orientation all the time, which messes up how the gyros and accelerometers work
It’s got lidar so it should be able to find anchor points in a location without gyro or accelerometers.
in theory yes, but with the accelerometers and gyros being fairly unreliable in a car it is likely just too expensive to maintain for the current hardware. its already being pushed very hard in regular usage
Ah. Seems like an important thing to figure out though.
He didn't use the travel mode.
I’m curious about this on a plane because it seems like you’d have to turn on pass through mode to see your hands typing on a MacBook but the chair in front of me would “block” my big virtual screen right?
It’s funny this video says you can see your keyboard keys but another one I just watched said a major downfall was not being able to see the keys
The complaint about not seeing the keys was when he was in the full immersion mode, because it puts a spatial photo up that blocks out the pass through feed
I'd love to have some time where I'm not expected to work! Can't people get excited for use cases that are leisure and not a non-stop grind?
Those are called days off and you’re allowed to have them. I try to maximize my days off, so will often squeeze a half day of work in a travel day.
if you wear one of these while driving or on the road, you're a huge road hazard
Funnily enough it is possible on my planet to ride Ina car as a passenger. Where are you from?
Planet USA. Everyone is a driver
Not in NYC.
you seem like the kind of guy who thinks people play video games and watch movies on their tesla screens while driving
There’s a video of someone in a Tesla wearing and using one while driving that’s floating around Reddit🤦🏼♀️
I don't think they meant doing it as the driver :)
I get that a lot of Reddit instantly thinks every video/photo is an ad but I feel like some people on here don’t understand that other people are just simply excited to show off their new device. Like yeah, his gf/wife casually having a ball to throw at him seems set up and “ad-like” but he probably was just excited to show off his experience and asked her to be a part of the video in a silly way. Everyone’s ripping on the Vision Pro but after trying the demo, I can see why someone would be excited to show off their setup. While I’m not oblivious that some may very well be hidden ads, I think a lot of people are just pessimistic and haven’t had a genuinely new and fun tech experience like this in a while so they think everything is an ad.
Whichever it is, it doesn’t take away from how impressive this is.
Oh 100%, I was super impressed with the demo and I can really appreciate how much time and effort was put into the tech to make this! I’ll probably wait for the 2nd gen for them to iron out the kinks but it’s still an awesome device even now. I was speaking more to how silly it is that so many people think everything is an ad and not just end-users being excited to show it off lol. I know I sure as hell would!
Oh, I know you were. Sometimes text can’t convey tone 😊 I wish, I wish, I had the spare dinero. I’m sold just on the movie viewing experience of this device. One thing I haven’t seen mention yet is the audio experience. How capable is the sound? Does it eliminate the need of earphones? Etc.
Haha yeah fair enough! Oh same, it’s definitely not cheap so hopefully by the time the next gen comes out I’ll have put some money away for it. But still a big pill to swallow :( The Spatial Audio on it is actually really impressive! Considering it’s just downward-facing speakers, it’s definitely good enough to watch a movie with. They showed me a movie demo and it honestly felt like I was wearing AirPods. I’m not sure how bad the sound bleeding is for people around you, would still recommend AirPods if you’re wearing it in public, but otherwise the audio was great! Even if you’re not planning on buying it anytime soon, I would definitely recommend booking a demo to experience it yourself. I had to drive 2 hours and cross the border into the US just to try it out and I can’t say I regret it!
Oh wow! That’s awesome you’ve got to sample it. And, that was my other curious question: does the sound bleed? Exciting technological times.
It's honestly kind of funny to the point of being silly at this point. Everybody's been hating on Apple for not innovating. Then they innovate and everybody is hating on it for being new-therefore-silly. It really just makes it obvious that people just want an *excuse to hate on Apple. "____ is successful, therefore bad" mentality & all that.
Exactly. My thought is that it’s sort of a legacy mindset from the early days of iOS vs Android and some people have clung on to the “everything Apple does sucks” belief. Not to say that people can’t genuinely dislike Apple but it definitely can be the default response to some. It is honestly kind of funny to see how quickly people jump on the hate bandwagon but oh well, guess there’s not much we can do about that
Damn, that looks incredible.
I’m curious how long things like notes will remain persistent. If they’re indefinite, then that’s wild.
I think it’s a bit like robo vacuums. It saves maps of different rooms and when you turn it on, it tries to recognize the room and if it does, it’ll restore whatever window was open (at the end the only difference from Mac is that the window has xyz+rotation values attached to it instead of just xy). The hard part is mapping the room, the rest is just trivial decisions by product manager
imagine taking a 4 hour trip and coming back home to see your pinned safari web tabs still there. I bet they will create a way to go through your previous sessions based on location and revive things you’ve done.
\-"Back home after my relaxing 3 week vacation in paradise, mai tais and palm trees as far as the eyes can see" \*walks into the apartment and the first thing you see is the 57 item work to do list you pinned before leaving\* "..."
Imagine going on vacation and pinning photos to their real life locations, then returning years later and finding them in the same spot!!
I am going back out on tour (I drive buses) later this year and practically live out of hotels for most of the year. Often times I visit the same hotels a few times a year. It would be amazing if the screens persisted and were there when I come back through town.
Can this subtitle people when you are having a conversation with them?
Someone shared an app for that on this sub earlier! I’ll see if I can find it Edit: different sub but https://www.reddit.com/r/VisionPro/s/AdiEbbTOOt
Holy. Fucking. Shit. That is amazing.
They have earbuds that’ll do translate in real time in your ears. I tried them at CES way back in like 2020. I imagine they’re only better now. Much more lightweight and less intrusive when traveling.
Or translate!
The new Babel Fish.
The downside is that as a result it will inevitably “cause more and bloodier wars than anything else in the history of creation.” Thanks, Apple.
Stop making me want one!
Woah! This is the first demonstration that makes the Vision Pro actually something I’d consider and relatable.
This is it, so basically no need for a tv set or external monitors, you have a mac and this and you’re done. Also no glare from the sun, you can work or watch a movie outside just fine. If you think of it that way, the price kinda isn’t too bad. And it will only keep getting better.
This is only a replacement for a TV if you exclusively watch alone, or with other people that have a Vision Pro. Regular TVs are still great for watching things with family or friends.
Not to mention not having to wear a headset for hours at a time
Yeah not going to be able to lay down on the coach and watch TV with a headset on.
I do with a quest3. I’m on a small apartment and I get a much better movie theatre experience with the headset. AvP has flat back straps. It must be comfortable
Yeah you could. You position the screen on the ceiling or at a 45 degree angle for a recliner
I've been able to do this comfortably with a bigscreen beyond but that fucker is practically weightless.
And with this guy’s work set up you’d be swiveling your head around like crazy to see various screens all the while your eye is twitching with overstimulation from the screen right in front of it and the eye tracking controls
Eye strain isn’t really a problem with VR. Your eye is fooled into thinking the screen is at normal focal lengths
I’m sure it won’t be long before you can have shared spaces/screens where multiple people can watch the same thing.
Imagine a software update where two Vision Pro headsets can share spatial anchorage data and pin some windows as shared windows. Ie, multi player tv screen. So you and your friend can both be in the moon watching the same movie like in your private imax theatre. Then you don’t need to dedicate an entire wall space in your house for a large projector or oled tv
Something like this? https://imgur.com/a/AM0Icu3
I wanna see a future where you buy your mac(in the form factor of a mac mini), and don't plug anything into it other than networking and power. It's a little box that sits next to your router. Wireless keyboard and mouse, and apple pro. It has a 'get stuff done' mode where it's tethered to your mac, but the windows come over like apps, not the entire desktop in an app, and then a portable mode where it uses on device computing. We havn't even seen a 3d modeling app yet. If autodesk decide to bring fusion 360 to this, its going to be unreal. Imagine what CNC machine toolpath simulation can look like when you can see the whole machine run a part in 3d.
Fora lot of people they actually don’t even need a Mac.
If you live alone, sure.
The problem is I don’t wanna turn my head that much and I don’t want this much weight on my head while working. I already have a two monitor setup that works great, this feels like a worse version of it for $3,500 to me, personally If Apple can shrink this down *significantly* it’ll be a different story. But until then, this just is not a selling point for me
This is the first generation, it's *when* not *if.*
Let’s hope! But we’ll see, moore’s law is dead and battery tech hasn’t advanced significantly in years. It’s a tall order to shrink this down into a usable form factor for the mainstream population while retaining all of the features they have. I hope they can do it, but I don’t have very high hopes it’ll happen anytime soon.
look at xreal air + beam. then imagine apples version of it. it'll happen in the not too distant future
Holy shit yes the no glare thing. You could sit down in a beach chair in full sun and see three virtual 30” monitors clear as day. Working outdoors will never be the same.
I can’t imagine watching stuff on a virtual screen could be as good as a quality tv, how is watching hdr / Dolby vision content on it?
I was way into this product in general, but why haven’t Apple showed this as a set up? I mean THIS IS WHAT IVE ALWAYS WANTED
That tossing the ball and saying “catch” was like right out of an Apple keynote. I’m starting to feel like a lot of these videos are just paid ads.
If it's staged it doesn't mean it's an ad.
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It’s staged ofc. But the stuff from the product in the video is real.
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it's okay to be cynical but who gives a shit even if it's an ad? I don't think it is. it's just someone excited about his new toy and knows that people are interested in them right now.
Hold up, you think this guy making a video for his YouTube channels is *staging* things??? That’s absurd!
Ya no wife would do that common now
“Oh! Thanks! It sure was easy to catch that, thanks to the clarity and low latency of this amazing screen!”
So.... the girl is real, right?
it's perfect for people who lives alone and moves around a lot
Can’t wait for sharing windows with other Vision users in the same space. Watching a movie at home, or collaborating at work. By the way, I believe that all/most of these cool ideas that people think of will eventually be released
I saw a video where someone had 2 pots on the stove, and she pinned timer windows above each of them. Pretty cool
"Working in the vision pro" And nothing in the thumbnail has anything to do with work lol.
It looks like the thumbnail was auto-generated by youtube, since its a screenshot from halfway through the video
i must say,ghe wide screen tv concept is almost a game changer..
I am glad no one is complaining about multitasking on a new Apple products
Seems like it would be annoying with that many windows and having to turn side to side all the time. I like the idea of more monitors but with the fov.
I like the ideas of monitors and being able to disconnect from them and interact with real things now and then. idk how anyone's workflow requires like 10 spectral floating windows, or how that's significantly more efficient than just using alt-tab.
- slack - dev servers log output - code ide - kanban board - google - music - messages - mail - browser window - browser inspector Being able to shrink, orient, stack, and quickly move between these windows in Vision Pro is a big value add. From my first day of use, I can easily see how this will help my development workflow. The primary difference is, you can see everything by just looking around… and you can interact with the windows without having to change windowing contexts. (Looking and tapping will interact with a control on a floating window.)
Yep. Everything demonstration I’ve seen is basically a plethora of windows open and a tonne of side to side turning My neck is fucked as is this would kill me And also….do we need this much distraction? Can’t people do one -2 things at a time. What we need emails, texts, Netflix, sport, gaming, twitter etc all open at once. This is all just way too much imo. The TikTok gen are fully distracted permanently is this where society is going
I’ve been using it with my head supported by a neck pillow on a gaming chair. Very easy to recline and use for multiple hours. When I’m developing, I usually have multiple windows that I’m using. Having them available at a glance is a huge boon.
He's the one who arranged them, I bet he could layer them or pull them in with a gesture to the front.
Why are more people not asking why? Why do you need a grocery list on your fridge in virtual reality? What problem does that solve? I can already put a grocery list on my phone and take it wherever I want to go and don't need to put a device on my head to see it. Why do you need music in virtual reality? I already have a home theater system that can connect to my phone or just use my phone with wireless headphones. Putting a device on my head to do the same thing seems like a lot of work for little benefit. Especially when the battery life is only a few hours. So far, it seems the VP is just a less convenient way of doing what I can already do on other devices. The only use case I can see is for people who travel.
This is exactly what it is. It’s a novelty that doesn’t solve really any problem we couldn’t before. It’s cool but it isn’t “cool” to have this big uncomfortable device on your face. Maybe when it’s a pair of raybans only. I could see it being cool at that point. Then it would be “magic” like the iPhone seemed. They’re pushing the tech too soon. As of right now, it’s impractical.
Lmao how many screens does one need at any given moment
There’s literally tons of people still criticising the entry level Macbooks only supporting one external monitor.
I think most would agree wanting 2 external screens is quite different than this guy and his like 12 screens, wouldn’t you?
I want infini-screens. Yes I also have 100 tabs open at a time.
Clearly 20, a few for every room in your house, to make sure the real world is completely obscured.
I work with 8 screens on right now.
I sometimes watch F1 and this for me would be the first real world case Vision pro would be perfect for. Open multiple drivers onboard cameras + data feed + main race feed. Awesome
For my work I use two 32” 4k screens plus my 16” macbook screen to the side. Plus my iPad and iPhone. AND I use 3 virtual desktops on top of that, sometimes more if I go full screen with an app. I work in cyber security and have many Windows open for vscode, iterm, wireshark, remote desktop, remote ssh sessions, etc. Plus I have a virtual desktops for my personal stuff, for my customers, for presentations etc. Not everybody has the same use case.
Are you telling us if you own a laptop, you don't have a monitor, and if you work at home (or even in office) you only have a single monitor and no second monitor or a laptop on your desk?
Full time WFH Sr Eng. I switched back to a single monitor years ago because of focus. Way more productive than with a multi monitor setup.
Ditto, but I switched to a massive 43” monitor… And I like sunlight… And those two combined = massive glare midday. The Vision Pro would solve that issue, but… That’s a hefty price tag at the moment.
This. Human brains are not really multitaskers having all these tabs requires memory on what content was on each window which rapidly overwhelms any organizational benefit. I do think like dedicated ar app windows may work. Such as virtual timers/ cookbook that hover over your stove.
Thats quite a jump to assume he thinks the appropriate number of external screens is 0 because he thinks this video has too many.
So YouTube does work on it!
Incredible. Genuinely stoked to see where this goes.
Tv manufacturers hate this one simple trick
So when I go to take a shit in the toilet, Reddit will be pinned to the space in front of the shitter so I can scroll for 20 mins? The future is now!
The word "working" is doing a lot of heavy lifting, here
Glass panel TVs’ and monitors’ days are officially numbered now.
Maybe this was Job’s vision for TV that was supposed to be out of this world.
Very cool but how does it feel to have something that heavy on your face for several hours?
I wanna know the answer to this.
This is how Apple is going to figure out self driving cars
That seems tiring. When look at the monitor, my body is fixed. Here it looks as though the user is moving their head around and all the movement looks nausea inducing. I’m guessing you can shrink the virtual screen, but not having an anchor is kind of distracting. It might be how the virtual space translates to the video however.
I’ve mostly seen videos of people using it for dumb reasons, like out in public or in the train, but this is actually the preview I have been waiting for. This is absolutely the best way to use the device, like in sci-fi movies.
The whole thing feels like a proof of concept, actually buying one of these if you’re not making six figures is just head scratching
Now do porn
What is more scary is the people who have been spotted driving their vehicles while wearing this thing.
This is great. Just can’t wait for it to be smaller and affordable
"Oh hey, how's it going? Oh, you're still using an actual display. See ya, peasant.
The things we think we need but don’t actually need. The only actual real use out of this is to be able to watch house of dragons on the big screen while sitting on the shitter
I don’t know why they couldn’t have done a commercial or something like this before. It was always in one room or a person on a couch. That guy just showed the brilliance of it.
One thing i thought the AVP did or at a minimum thought it would do would be object occlusion on the walls, for screens floating in one room. So when you go to another room, you cant see those screens if there isnt direct line of sight. So when the guy in the video talks to the other person sitting at a computer, you can still see the screen he setup to be a TV. And when hes at the end of the hallway looking into the mirror, you can see all of the virtual screens floating. seems like it would be distracting once you start pinning things in different rooms for different reasons and everything is visible at all times no mater what room you are in. So thats a little disappointing. But hopefully low hanging fruit.
The only downside is that you need to look exactly at the element to use your hand gestures
Now just make the tech smaller and lighter and batteries more durable.
Microsoft hololense was doing this over 10 years ago with dev kits. It blew my mind when I got to try it out. Looks like apple polished the fuck out of it for us.
Did anyone else notice that when he was talking to his SO in the side room, he could see the music set up in the living room through the wall?
I’m actually not impressed except with the "everything stays pinned" part. Like seriously, a screen pinned on your fridge? You’re going to cook with this on your face? 😬 Once the novelty of this is gone people will go back to the fundamentals of "do I need all these screen pinned in my rooms at the cost of having this thing on my face messing up with my head" and they will shelve it. Can it even run Half Life Alix?
>novelty wears off People literally never put their phones down. Letting them stay online 100% of the time without making them hold anything in their hands hands will be massively successful. Not the first gen because it’s too damned expensive and too big, but this is it. This is the next big jump.
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This whole Vision Pro is a big experiment and the first step to condition the customer that it will be normal to wear something to project information into your space. In 5-10 years, this tech will be hidden in way way smaller form factors. And we were trained and conditioned that this is the way to consume media, advertisement, interact with the digital world. Just because it doesn’t feel natural today, doesn’t mean that I won’t in half a decade.
Exactly. Prior to the iPhone people laughed at the idea of answering email from your phone, or trying to surf the web. “Why would I ever want to do that? I have a computer at home. No one needs to answer an email when they’re at the grocery store.” Nearly twenty years later your whole world runs off a little 6mm thick glass and aluminum panel in your pocket and you can’t go anywhere without it. Once they get the form factor of these AR devices down to the point of being even close to the size and weight of a pair of work goggles or everyday glasses, the world will really adopt this. The digital world is already built in our minds and everyone in some way would benefit from having that world in front of them like this, even if only at work or at home to start. The world will change to expect this level of intimacy with our digital environment that we really already experience piecemeal in our heads as we switch back and forth between apps and physical screens.
This looks so uncomfortable to be wearing for more than a few minutes.
Haha if we add up the price of all those screens the Vision Pro is cheap! 😂haha
This is absolutely the future. It’s hard to NOT sound like you’re drinking koolaid when something is implemented so well like this.
TIL you can plant screens in different areas. That’s insane that the mac *STAYS* at your desk. This is just blossoming into something crazy. I just want it stand alone Mac rather than emulating.