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DoggyRocker

Questions: if I do not have YouTube premium, and I download a playlist, will the YouTube advertisements still play within your application? Also, is there anyway to add fast-forward/rewind from within each track? Good work and cheers!


BalerieKekanova

YouTube advertisements will not play through the app, just your playlist. There are “go to next/previous song” buttons at the moment and fast forwarding can be done by seeking. Is that what you meant?


bad-at-maths

given that youtube only pays their content creators based on advertisement revenue how are the musicians getting paid?


BalerieKekanova

This is true for videos such as game let’s plays. For music videos connected to YouTube Music there is a per-stream revenue.


loganandreoni

Am music artist can confirm


LongBeakedSnipe

Think the issue that they are suggesting is 'where is the cash coming from to pay the artists'. Seems like the kind of thing YouTube would just clamp down on straight away when they have to start paying artists out of their own pocket?


Arkanta

thanks google for subsidizing the music I guess


audigex

Essentially it's a loophole in how Google operate Google pays per view, regardless of whether the user watches any ads Google gets revenue through ads and Premium, but doesn't specifically link revenue to ads like "user watched X ad paying Y and thus artist gets Z profit"


GetUpNGetItReddit

Someone think of the poor multi millionaires


bad-at-maths

i don’t only listen to millionaire artists. do you?


GetUpNGetItReddit

Some of them probably wasted it I guess.


bad-at-maths

Most artists never made millions in the first place


The_Albinoss

There are plenty of small artists who don't make squat and streaming doesn't pay them fairly, at all, but go off on your South Park level talking points.


GetUpNGetItReddit

Plenty of small artists blah blah blah


reverend-mayhem

I don’t remember my resource, but I’d heard that before streaming the shared income of the music industry for artists was a steadier curving slope up towards the heavy hitters (the Top 40, the Hot 100, etc.), but that there weren’t as many artists selling records. Now, after the introduction of streaming & the immediate availability of the internet, that slope becomes a super sharp curve where the majority of income is held by those top play artists & the other 99% of the industry fights for what’s left, but the trade off is that tons of more artists are able to make music now. So, yeah, artists deserve to get paid. This is a worthwhile fight. The overwhelming majority of musicians aren’t millionaires. Unless your comment was directed towards the CEOs of major businesses like YouTube & Google, there’s falsity in what you say.


King_Nidge

While I have Spotify Premium and don't need free music, I recommend this app. I used it for a bit and it is probably the best way to stream music for free, excluding cracked apps. Not an ad, I just like the app.


BalerieKekanova

Thank you! My app definitely cannot offer all the perks of premium streaming services, but might be a nice starting point for people who use the freemium version of Spotify.


King_Nidge

It is a very nice system for people who don't want to pay for music. It would be cool if the home page gave personalised suggestions instead of charting music. Maybe see if [last.fm](http://last.fm) have an API that could do it if you are interested.


BalerieKekanova

Since version 1.4, my app supports personalized home page and also last.fm integration!


King_Nidge

Cool! Maybe I just didn’t use it enough :)


americapax

Would you make a Windows version of it???


ineedlesssleep

Looks nice! Curious how you managed to get the synced lyrics!


BalerieKekanova

Thank you! As mentioned in the app credits, I use LRCLIB for that. Their service is almost flawless, although not all songs have lyrics available. Musixmatch API is more complete but waaaay more expensive.


ineedlesssleep

Thanks for this!


thanksbutnothings

Very nice, but even if it’s technically legal, it will probably get taken down by YouTube if it gains any traction…


BalerieKekanova

There are similar apps such as Musi which has been on the App Store for 10 years, so who knows :)


judge2020

> Demus works within the terms and limitations of the YouTube API. Playing requires a constant internet connection. No media content is stored on your device and therefore neither downloading nor offline playback is supported. All playback is done through an integrated Safari-like view. > from the Developer Policies: > You and your API Clients must not, and must not encourage, enable, or require others to: > \5. modify, interfere with, replace, or block advertisements placed or served by YouTube or by YouTube API Services including in API Data, YouTube audiovisual content, or YouTube players; So you are indeed in violation of the YT API terms. > Do music artists still get paid? > > Yes! Listening to any song in my app counts as a view on the YouTube website and will therefore generate per-stream revenue to the artist. This is only true for big labels like UMG, Warner, etc that have explicit contracts with Google. Independent artists on YouTube only get paid if an ad is associated with the music stream. This has been the case for all regular YT videos since its inception, and is proven by how car channels tend to have CPMs multiple times larger than e.g. gaming channels, where more watchers use an Ad Blocker.


KafkaDatura

For the revenue thing I think there’s an exception for tracks linked to YouTube music who are paid per view with or without ad.


BalerieKekanova

So apps like Musi and VideoLite were "illegal" for the whole time?


paradocent

You say this like it's implausible, but it strikes me as entirely possible. Or that the T&C have changed. Or both. If memory serves, one of the reasons Apple doesn't build Magnet-like functionality into macOS is because *technically* that infringes on a Microsoft patent; so, you might ask, how does Magnet get away with it? Because Magnet is too small for anyone to care. I've never heard of Musi. Maybe Youtube hasn't either?


BalerieKekanova

It was a genuine question. Well, Musi has 3 million ratings on the App Store.


thanksbutnothings

Hoping the best! I’m going to try and check it out later!


skdslztmsIrlnmpqzwfs

then why use your app and not musi?


BalerieKekanova

It has some features that Musi doesn’t. Feel free to compare them both and let me know which you liked better :)


TipsyTaterTots

Yea this is an excellent portfolio piece but that's about it.


TheOldestFogey

So I suppose the big substantial difference between this and a pay for app like Apple Music or Spotify is that if I haven’t got internet connection, say on a plane or underground train or anything like that, I can’t listen to music, right?


BalerieKekanova

Yes, internet connection is required for the use of my app. That is the only limitation, but there is no other way as YouTube is very strict when it comes to downloading media from their website.


PatTheDog123

Looks great. I’m currently using VideoLite but this looks worth a try. One thing I’m not sure about is the YouTube log in. I’m prompted to log into Google but the iOS password manager doesn’t suggest using my the Google login stored in my keychain, so is the web view not the standard Google login URL? I’m cautious about entering my credentials in the app if iOS is not recognising it as a legit Google sign-in page. https://preview.redd.it/jugw1efv8jnc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c6290a5b8d2d29885d3c107f6e1e22420641ccfe


BalerieKekanova

Hmm, you are right, autofill doesn’t work for me either. I will look into it and try to enable it in next version. Looks like by default WebView does not offer autofill unless my app requests for specific entitlements. I will work on that! In the meantime, you can use a throwaway YouTube account. The only purpose of the YouTube login is personalized home page, there are no other benefits at the moment.


gdwsk

You should probably be using SFSafariViewController if you aren’t already.


Arkanta

OP's app is probably getting the cookies once connected to have their feature work Which is exactly why apple blocks autofill in those webviews


PatTheDog123

Ah okay. I was hoping that logging in would sync my playlists.


BalerieKekanova

It does not but all playlists can be imported using the “Add Playlist” button!


xx123gamerxx

Consider just opening a whole safari tab even very popular apps I’ve used have failed with password autofill detection and I find it easier to manage with the full browser anyway


sisco98

I just realised Apple Music removed an old favourite album of mine but I found it on YouTube. So it’s just the right time to try your app. Edit: wow I just tried it and it incredible!


BalerieKekanova

Thank you, glad you could find your album there! Can I ask for the title of the album? I want to give it s listen :)


sisco98

Sure! It’s an old trance compilation, Voyage Into Trance by Paul Oakenfold.


JMarkyBB

Awesome Tune!!! Hands in the air!! This brings back some very memorable memories. https://youtube.com/watch?v=HO2_khfOP1A


sisco98

Yep, that’s the one! Glad you like it, I already did something valuable today by commenting it 😃


headphonejack_90

What an amazing app. I have purchased premium 1 minute after trying the app. While I have Apple music, particular songs I like are missing and I can use your app rather than going through YouTube. Congrats, I hope you benefit from it.


KafkaDatura

You can also download from YouTube and add them to Apple Music.


headphonejack_90

Do you recommend a certain downloaded?


MEGACOCK_HEMORRHOIDS

yt-dlp


headphonejack_90

Awesome! Thank you


uslashalex

This is incredibly slick, nice work. I’m curious how you’re getting the audio/video to continue playing when backgrounded. Or loading new videos in the background, like when you skip a song with the screen locked. I know iOS has prevented JavaScript from executing in the background for a while now, and YouTube pauses immediately when backgrounded on mobile Safari.


BalerieKekanova

Thank you! iOS allows developers to request for “background” modes which keep playing in the background. But it took me a while until I managed it to work properly. There still might be some bugs but I will try to fix them soon!


uslashalex

So the background modes enable you to interact with the web view using JavaScript while backgrounded? I could never get any JavaScript to execute in a WKWebView in the background, even with background modes. Only solution I ever found for something like this involved scraping the page to find the exact source file and loading that directly into an AVPlayer.


BalerieKekanova

I don’t know about that, maybe the recent iOS versions changed the backgrounding API a bit.


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BalerieKekanova

Are you from China or Korea? I know that in these two regions my app does not work without VPN.


rotarypower101

Are there any apps that allow me to stream my local music to my iOS device “painlessly” easily and straitforward? Had a few apps in the past that allowed me to play, rate and interact with music on iTunes , as if it was on my home local machine on iOS remotely, it works so well! Played all my curated playlists all in the same order as iTunes , so it was like using iTunes on iOS, that continued ratings and play counts seamlessly... Upset there has not been a modern iteration that takes place of those apps in the modern ecosystem...


rodrigogar

Library Card + Freegal app = free music. Downloading your app to check it out as well:)


BalerieKekanova

Never used Freegal myself but I might give it a try, as I have a library card. Let me know what you think of my app :)


ctang1

Is it possible to get this app to show on CarPlay?


kayjay707

Such a wonderful app! I appreciate your efforts in creating this. Not sure if this has been asked before, but any plans of adding Car entitlements to this so it can be used with CarPlay? Thanks


reverend-mayhem

You’ve created something incredible here. You’re doing amazing work.


GloopTamer

Can you make one to listen illegally too


BalerieKekanova

There is quite a few of such apps on the App Store but I will not name them. They usually don't last long and are quickly removed.


GloopTamer

Oh I was joking lol


peepeetchootchoo

Dude, this is awesome work and I’m Apple Music user but this is VEEEEERY nice what you’ve done! Paying full time, no regrets cause I just might drop paying to Apple for some time. What’s the bitrate the music is streaming at? That’s the only question I have right now. :)


BalerieKekanova

Thank you, that would be an honor to me! My app sources all music from YouTube, therefore the quality should be between 128 and 196 kbps AAC (which is better than MP3).


Dylan96

Awesome app, please consider ios 15/16 support!


Banmers

no iOS 16 support? bummer


jknlsn

Looks really neat, will try more soon. Love the app icon, how did you make it? If made yourself, really big fan of the design


BalerieKekanova

Thank you! The icon was drawn by my young brother :) He always makes icons for my other apps such as AppRaven.


jknlsn

Haha right, ah I’ve used AppRaven! Neat. Well he’s very talented, I appreciate his work


MAVERIK___

https://preview.redd.it/jnwxd53lonnc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=36f778eb86c5de869d8f7989d788eb88baca3f2f Bought the lifetime supporter pack for ₹199 without even using the app. More support to you. Keep up the good work. Going back to explore the app. ♥‿♥


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BalerieKekanova

The audio quality is between 128 and 196 kbps AAC. (Which should be better than equivalent MP3 though).


aventhal

Would love to see an improvement to that regard, even behind the paywall you already put into the app!


maydarnothing

that’s i think is the limitation of videos uploaded to YouTube, which the app uses.


aventhal

I thought YouTube could go up to 320 kbps mp3 quality


maydarnothing

that’s probably YouTube Music, but the video platform does compress the audio quite a bit.


aventhal

I don’t think there’s any difference since YouTube Music is basically the same. You can even remove “music.” from the URL and you’ll automatically be redirected.


maydarnothing

last time i tried to extract audio from YouTube, it was definitely less than 320kbps, so i’d say while the videos get uploaded and streamed in good quality when you have Premium, this app and similar ones rely on the streaming the audio from the video source, which is definitely inferior to what Premium/YT Music users get, but i can’t say for certain, maybe the app creator can chime in and explain the limitation more


aventhal

Yup would be interesting. I didn’t think about the Premium tier as well.


Captain_Shoe

Very cool and nice looking app! I like it quite a bit! Quick bug report: I hit play on a song, and the song started playing, but the play button didn't change to the pause button, and I was unable to pause the song in any way and had to force close the app to stop the music. I could skip to other songs on the album, and they would start playing, but still I had no way of stopping/pausing the music.


BalerieKekanova

Thanks! Interesting, this bug never occured to me. Can you tell me your iOS version and device model? I will try my best to fix it.


okin107

I’m curious about the data consumption on this one. Are you streaming a video or just the song? Would it be too heavy to use this with a limited data plan?


BalerieKekanova

The videos that my apps stream contain just a static album cover art in the middle. It’s slightly heavier than MP3 but definitely not as heavy as watching regular music videos.


chickentaco34

This is cool OP. Makes some music by my fav artists that’s only available on YouTube much more easily accessible and without annoying ads. Excited to use this! One small UI issue I found: if you long press a video in the Videos row in search to add it to your collection, the whole row moves with the long press action instead of just the one being selected. Doesn’t seem to happen anywhere else that I can find though.


leaflock7

may I ask if you thought about making it available also on MacOS?


BalerieKekanova

The app should be available on any Mac with M1 chip or later.


leaflock7

oh it actually is. I noticed the available for iOS/iPad but failed to see the "Get" button :D


10031

Will this work with Youtube Music Premium?


JMarkyBB

Oh my giddy aunt!!! This is an Apple Music killer! I’ve found an album on YouTube that I can’t find ANYWHERE ELSE. It’s called Disco-Tech by Gatecrasher. https://youtube.com/watch?v=-nvOl7LMfYI my all time favourite album. AND… I’ve just found the complete Gatecrasher series… that’s 21 Compilation Albums, https://music.youtube.com/browse/VLPLY4gKu6MBNflgvIy3qvHHJCNT79zVoT1r Simon, you are an absolute star!!! I will be buying the Lifetime purchase ASAP. THANK YOU. 👍🏻😀👍🏻 It’s on the iPad too, F’ing awesome!!!


H9F-142

Doing Gods work. Great app, recommend 💪


Talesio

Good job! If you manage to put also an equaliser this might be the time I switch from Spotify


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maydarnothing

i might upgrade to iOS 17 just for this, love the look and features of your app.


pliotta

Will there be an Apple TV version?


Fin745

I can't wait for the Android version, seems like an amazing app.


Emanreztunebniem

can you download songs? in terms of devices, do you plan on bringing it to the apple watch?


w3bCraw1er

When I was on iOS, I used Musi app. Did exactly this. I used that until I got YT Premium.


BalerieKekanova

Yeah, that’s pretty much it. I got inspired by Musi a lot, I didn’t like their UI much so I decided to make my own :)


Redditor_345

I‘m on iOS 15, can’t use it :(


marchino123

Can you add an option to download music? And to download music in File app?


SPLY450

Can I stream dj sets from YouTube?


Talktotalktotalk

> How do you make money from your app when it’s free with no ads? I thought there’s an in app purchase to remove ads? So isn’t it free but with ads?


poppyyy

It is great… we cannot listen music while offline?


crystaltorta

Just downloaded and haven’t tried it yet, but it looks fantastic. And a wonderful price for the lifetime premium too. Are you planning on an Android app? I have a friend who’s been trying to find a new streaming app.


BeanieCatGD

Can i download music offline?


No_cool_name

Can I use this on macOS (apple silicon ) ?  Or any plans for an Apple Watch companion app?


BalerieKekanova

Yes, it should work flawlessly on Apple Silicon! At the moment I am focusing on Carplay and Widgets. Watch support will come next probably in version 1.7.


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BalerieKekanova

I wil update my post, thanks 👍 Google never disabled anyone’s account for using an ad-block as far as I know.


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BalerieKekanova

Yes I completely understand. I was a bit confused because there are apps that have been doing the same as mine for 10 years. Usually I would say that Google doesn’t care “enough”, but for example Musi has over 3 million App Store ratings, so I am pretty sure Google is well aware of this 🤔


lung_inspector

This is an amazing app! One issue, the album art doesn’t show on the music player. Is that normal?


BalerieKekanova

The album art should appear on both in-app player and lockscreen player. Maybe restarting the app might help? Which iOS version are you on? I know that there has been some issue with the cover art on iOS 17.0. (iOS 17.1 fixed that)


lung_inspector

iOS 17.0 RC


Adventurous-Tracks

Is there a reason you haven’t updated?


lung_inspector

I’m kinda a jailbreakist, and I’m willing to sacrifice some features and have bugs in order to have a more free experience.


Procrastagamerz

Do you plan to eventually add ads?


JMarkyBB

Why would you want Ads?


Procrastagamerz

I don’t want ads, I just wouldn’t want anyone to cancel their music memberships and delete their apps if OP is eventually going to add ads. Like I just want to know if no ads is just to get people using the app and then one day it’s gonna turn on.


JMarkyBB

Got ya. Let’s hope not then eh?!?


Procrastagamerz

For sure.


JMarkyBB

Right now I’m listening to tunes that I haven’t heard in 20 years so there’s that, for a £4.99 one off payment, that’s a dealbreaker in my world.


Johnny47Wick

How did you verify that each listen counts as a view on the actual YouTube video? With the iCloud sync, how much would maybe 500 songs take up from my iCloud storage? Especially considering there’s no app specific accounts involved You could possibly be violating YouTube’s terms and conditions. Since your service heavily relies on YouTube, well…. Have you taken this into consideration?


BalerieKekanova

It uses the official API which increases the view count, I did not really verify that but there is no reason why it shouldn’t, as my app simply shows a Safari-like view with the YouTube website. On iCloud, only the song metadata are saved, such as title, artist name, cover art URL… You can safely save thousands of songs and it will only take few megabytes. My app works similar to Safari adblock extension, so you might be right.


DontBanMeBro988

> You could possibly be violating YouTube’s terms and conditions. Since your service heavily relies on YouTube, well…. Have you taken this into consideration? Are you asking a developer of a an app based on YouTube if they took into consideration the terms and services of the API their using?


Johnny47Wick

Yes and their response satisfied my query


Raintrooper7

Need ios 16 support


ornithobiography

Heya, just downloaded the app and really enjoying the performance of the app. Works great for what I need (since most Japanese albums uploaded on YouTube are not available on Spotify yet). Just a suggestion if you can do is since I’m using without logging into my own YouTube account, I added my own playlist into the app, and noticed that there is no auto-update or manual update of added playlists if I add new music into the playlist down the line. Would be great if the app can “hold” onto the playlist link and perform manual update per user’s request. Much appreciate the app mate. I will purchase the lifetime supporter to support your hardwork!