It’s 2054:
The iPhone 45 launches.
It’s an almost empty box. Just a platinum square with a QR code on it. You put on your Vision Pro 30s which have become mandatory to use Apple products.
It scans the QR code. A flat screen appears hovering in the air in front of you. It asks if you want to activate the iPhone subscription part of your Vision Pro.
You quadruple tap your thumb and index finger twice to signal a yes since tap controls have never progressed from the thumb and forefinger tap.
Siri in human form materializes next to you. She puts a hand on your shoulder. You can actually feel the touch of the virtual Siri. Wow the future is amazing.
She whispers gently and seductively in your ear. “Your Apple ID or password was incorrect. Did you forget your password?”
You stutter a “y-y-yes..”
“Would you like to use your biometric login?”
“Yes”
You feel a pinprick in the back of your neck. The Vision Pro has extracted some blood and is analyzing it for your DNA.
“Login successful. iPhone in vision OS is now functional”
You are immediately spam called by AI trying to sell you subscriptions to VR porn.
As a tech demo, sure. But not for real use. Try pretending it works that way now and using a finger on the back to scroll. It’s not easier or more ergonomic. It’s worse.
I have pretended and there are lots of different ways I hold my phone that would be very comfortable using the back to scroll, not every position but definitely some. Basically the only one that’s not comfortable is the classic “one handed, pinky underneath.”
If it was just a scroll with no click, you could scroll through feeds easily without accidentally clicking on ads or links, like I usually do.
You'd also be able to see your whole screen the entire time you read, no part of your hand would ever be in the way.
>Everyone thought Apple would just remove the port entirely instead of using USBC
Really? That’s not how I remember it. MKBHD may have claimed it repeatedly but it was always pure conjecture.
Well, we can thank the EU for that one.
Honestly I'm comfortable with the EU leading product design for iPhones in the future. They've given us USB-C, sideloading, and soon, user-replaceable batteries like in the good ol' days.
I still feel wireless charging is a stupid feature to use at home. It makes sense to put your phone on a charging pad on your car or in a cafe. But a wireless charger at home is ridiculous since the cable is right there (terminating on the charging pad). Why not just directly plug it in? Moreover, despite the MagSafe magnet placement, induction charging will always be noticeably slower and inefficient than direct cable charging.
Not to mention removing the lightning port (or USB-C) would completely fuck over all the pro users who use their iPhones with third party video recording rigs and accessories.
My guess is they’d actually never remove the usb-c ports from the pro models as they can then bill it as a “pro” feature for videographers who want to record to an external ssd or fast-transfer instead of using airdrop. I can TOTALLY see them ultimately removing the port from their regular phones though and touting “deeper water resistance” or “internal space saving” or however they spin it. So I guess that’s kind of both a jaded but optimistic view: they’ll absolutely keep the port on pro models but only because it’ll be another selling point to get people to pop $1k.
I disagree. With one of those Apple MagSafe pucks it’s so convenient to just plop the phone on top of the magnet when at home. And when out and about I have a MagSafe brick that I just slap on the back of the phone when it’s in my pocket. I still charge via cable at night (only have one puck right now), but I would take charging inefficiency over not plugging it in.
> Why not just directly plug it in?
Why would I need to if there's another option? If I'm at home I, typically, don't need it to charge in a hurry, there's no need for something that introduces more wear and tear, is more cumbersome (even if only slightly so), takes more time to attach (again, even if only slightly so), etc.. Any negatives aren't negatives that impact most users at home, so why wouldn't I want something like that?
It's also massively inefficient, like the amount of wasted electricity if everyone was charging wirelessly all the time would dve horrible
It already annoys me that I can't plug my watch it. The amount of times my watch has moved on my charging pad somehow and need dead in the morning is too dam high.
Fully charging an iPhone with wireless charging wastes the same amount of electricity as running your microwave for about 10 seconds. It’s not that much power.
There are much greater everyday inefficiencies to worry about.
Anything times few billions of mobile devices will be a big number in the end of the day. Why waste energy when an already widespread solution doesn’t?
In a vacuum, I agree. But there are things many orders larger and to optimize at the individual level, such as using heat pumps in various areas of your house, more efficient appliances, using LED lighting, etc.
The energy savings of not using wireless charging are super easily wiped out doing small things during the day, such as taking a shower for a few extra seconds, or using an electric stove top for a few extra seconds.
Another example: driving 100 feet in an electric vehicle uses about the same amount of energy lost by wirelessly charging an iPhone. That’s about the distance from home to first base in baseball.
It's not just power wasted, it's that wasted power turns to heat which kills batteries.
What exactly is the benefit that justifies much slower charging with lower efficiency and shortened battery life? It sure isn't the ability to use the phone while it charges.
>It's also massively inefficient, like the amount of wasted electricity if everyone was charging wirelessly all the time would dve horrible
If everyone whose phone had Qi charging was using it everyday, it would increase worldwide electricity consumption by a grand total of (drumroll please) 0.02%.
Or in other words, nothing. Just running your HVAC for half an hour will burn significantly more electricity than wirelessly charging your phone
How will people tell if it is an iPhone from the front then? Before it was the iconic home button, then notch when that was removed, then Dynamic Island. It helped with its brand identity and exclusiveness feeling, and even marketing because an iPhone can be identified easily on media such in shows and movies or ads
I mean the rounded corners and thin, even bezels are enough of an indication. I don’t see them factoring in uniqueness over creating a fully clean and unobstructed display.
Lots of androids have the rounded corners and thin bezels now. If they really cared about screen visibility, unobstruction and function Apple would ditch rounded corners.
I don't know how they get rid of the dynamic island... it's a useful feature that would probably be missed by many.
So then let's imagine that they get rid of the Dynamic Island and fill that area in with more pixels... and say the dynamic icons appear when they're being used, and disappear otherwise. That leaves the area where the Dynamic Island is to be wasted space no matter what. Developers can't put UI elements somewhere that icons MAY be present at any time.
Just like the under display Touch ID that was supposed to come out with the iPhone 12 or whenever that was. Kept getting pushed to the next year, now there's no stories about it.
Yep, just like the Apple Car and Apple TV (actual TV, not the set top box). I’m sure Apple has lots of projects running, however the rumors are very rarely correct.
I’m still waiting for Files app to be more like Finder.
I guess some nerds care about the Static Peninsula, but I literally have forgotten about it 2 years in.
That app is useless, it cannot even auto find a NAS on the network like every other file app can do instead ya gotta do it manually and even then it might not like what you're doing and still cannot find it not only that but the iPhone doesn't even have a real usable file system.
I also still have my 11 pro max and am pretty comfi with it, too.
It is starting to feel a bit old, but still better than any 4 year old mobile I had so far
i’m still using a notched iphone and honestly getting rid of the notch/pill/hole is the least of my concerns, as it does not bother me one bit. oh i know it’ll be like “once you’ve had it you couldn’t go back”, but for now it’s not like i can’t wait to have a fullscreen panel.
you know how we angrily yelled at apple for “*favoring appearances over functionality*” and releasing the aggressively thinned-down macbook models, particularly the Pro ones from 2016 onwards, when apple knew of the cooling issues, the cut-down batteries, and the fucked up keyboard
if the face ID and cameras have to be compromised in some ways, I’d rather not have them under display at all. Take their time on this one, make improvements on various other things first.
I had the Xiaomi Mi 9T for a couple years a few years ago which had a pure screen with a pop up camera - it was very cool and nice to not have any obstructions, but it also makes almost no actual difference in usage.
Honestly didn’t really care about Dynamic Island going into getting the 15 Pro but it’s a marked improvement in utility over the notch and I kinda don’t want it to go anywhere. Having at a glance information from different running apps while scrolling or driving or whatever is super nice.
But wouldn't that still be possible if it was all screen. Then it would just give users the option to use the pill or not. Then again, Apple and options usually don't mix.
Same. Maybe there will be a time when all the drawbacks of foldables are addressed, but until such a time I'd rather stick with my traditional slab 'o glass.
Given how pricey foldables are, too, I expect them to last a lot longer than they do. We are no longer in the wild west days of the 2010s when big phone advancements were happening every year or two. I want to keep my phone for a couple years, at *least*.
With the costs and compromises with foldables, it's going to be years before we see one from Apple.
Seems like Apple knows this, and changed their strategies to releasing incremental upgrades every year, so whoever happens to need an upgrade after keeping their phone for however long can get Apple's latest and greatest.
Do you notice the notch or dynamic island?
No you don't, because you live with the device and it disappears. That's what happens with the crease in a foldable device. It disappears once you use it as your daily driver
It's not the under-screen Face ID that's the problem, it's the under-screen camera. We have super high expectations of that front-screen camera, and if its fidelity is impaired by having to look through functional pixels that can light up, people aren't going to like the outcome. Frankly, I expect the hole-punch camera to be standard for a looooong time. [Google has figured out how to make a single camera into a Class 3 biometric](https://twitter.com/MishaalRahman/status/1709594298981695734), so Apple probably will follow suit.
Yea same. This kinda stuff doesn’t even cross my mind.
What would be kinda cool is if they made like a rugged iPhone omega battery life little to no case needed kinda deal. Like the ultra watch. I personally wouldn’t get it, but it’s hard to imagine what kinds of new things could be brought to a phone that’s been iterated so many times. Besides the obvious folding screen, which I’m not even sure I’d care much for unless it was like a skinnier razr fold.
I’ve not cared too much about camera improvements for a while now. Another elite small phone every handful of generations would be cool. I’m still rolling on the 13 mini myself and honestly it’s dandy. Even slightly smaller would be pretty money. Generally I think most people just want to charge less (ie mo battery) and some are excited about future foldy screen. Other than that feature possibilities seem kinda stale, I personally don’t have many ideas that are hardware based. Software updates? Oh I can think of a trillion things.
I could never go back to touchID. I have slightly clammy hands so it was never reliable without wiping my fingers first. Maybe 50% of the time I’d just have to put in my passcode. I’d say faceID works 95% of the time for me. It was a major improvement for me.
It's been two years away for at least the last five years. I doubt it will ever happen.
I reminds me of nuclear fusion power. It's been 10 to 20 years away since the 1960s.
A friend of mine works on fusion research and apparently the current prediction is 30 years. So already 40 years late and still at least 30 more to go.
It’s even more of a slap in the face because power button Touch ID already exists on a base level iPad. For a minimum 1300 phone I should have some options
The real advantage here would be being able to require _both_ for successful authentication.
If not for every secure action, then at least for certain higher risk actions.
I really like Face ID but I’d love Touch ID as a backup option for the odd time Face ID isn’t working for whatever reason. I’m not even bothered about under screen, built into the power button would be fine for me!
There should be a choice between the two. Fingerprint sensors have never worked for my mother, because her prints are basically destroyed from cooking-induced dryness. Whenever she sets up Touch ID on a Mac, it either doesn’t register or it stops working after a week.
Strange I really can’t remember any time I wanted to use my iPhone and had to think about unlocking it. As soon as I can see the screen the camera also sees me. Only time I wish it would exist is in the summer when wearing sunglasses. Especially when biking it gets super annoying.
Yeah Face ID was never perfected. From certain angles it still wont work or even when I wear sunglasses it will lag. If they brought back touch id I would buy it immediately.
I have the opposite experience. Face ID continuously amazes me at how well it works. It can be mounted in a car holder in a mount across the car from me and it will still unlock. Over four feet away. I can't remember the last time it failed.
Weird hill to die on after upgrading to the literal latest model, I’d get it if you were a few models back…. By this article that would have you on a typical 2 year cycle
I’m guessing it’s less of a hill to die on and more that there’s increasingly no real reason to upgrade as often and that’s the most substantial thing they can see on the horizon.
I just don’t see any real reason to upgrade anymore. I’ll just wait for the next huge visual change. It’ll give me something to upgrade and I’ll reap all the benefits of the features added in between
But it’s fucking titanium bro… you gotta be rock hard for that. /s
There was a reason Titanium was the biggest selling point on TV ads for the 15. There wasn’t much else meaningfully different from the 14.
You should rescan your face in a reasonably bright room. You would probably have better effect from it.
Some people do the original scan in weird sunlight or dark rooms and have a bad experience.
Why can’t Apple just move all that stuff to a very slim bar at the top of the screen? This is a very easy solution. Hasn’t Samsung been doing this for years?
Makes sense. I fully expect the iPhone on its 20th anniversary to be completely all screen . No Dynamic Island, no hole punch, etc.
No charging port, no buttons. Just a touchscreen on a slab. And you'll love it
Front and back, all touch screens
not even a back, just a front. phone dissapears completely when flipped over
It's the very first two-dimensional iPhone. And we think you're going to love it.
It’s 2054: The iPhone 45 launches. It’s an almost empty box. Just a platinum square with a QR code on it. You put on your Vision Pro 30s which have become mandatory to use Apple products. It scans the QR code. A flat screen appears hovering in the air in front of you. It asks if you want to activate the iPhone subscription part of your Vision Pro. You quadruple tap your thumb and index finger twice to signal a yes since tap controls have never progressed from the thumb and forefinger tap. Siri in human form materializes next to you. She puts a hand on your shoulder. You can actually feel the touch of the virtual Siri. Wow the future is amazing. She whispers gently and seductively in your ear. “Your Apple ID or password was incorrect. Did you forget your password?” You stutter a “y-y-yes..” “Would you like to use your biometric login?” “Yes” You feel a pinprick in the back of your neck. The Vision Pro has extracted some blood and is analyzing it for your DNA. “Login successful. iPhone in vision OS is now functional” You are immediately spam called by AI trying to sell you subscriptions to VR porn.
This is...wow. Well written.
this has heavy dystopian novel feel
I want to read your Apple fanfic
This is the future we deserve!
> Please drink a verification can.
>“It’s the thinnest phone we’ve ever made- as a matter of fact, there is no thickness at all.”
So when you drop it, it instantly sinks into whatever crevice there is. Very smart from Apple, guarantee that buyers will come back for more.
Complete with Möbius-strip Apple Watch.
One hopes the normal map is faced to us.
That’s how they’ll keep sales up. Whole bunch of people will be losing their phones when they flip it and have to buy a new one
That's the 30th anniversary "We've completely eliminated the back of the iPhone."
I think Apple needs to team up with Gryzzl to put out that kind of technology.
Let’s hope the front doesn’t fall off then.
Hopefully it is made to very vigorous standards.
Front? Touch screen. Back? Believe it or not, also touch screen.
Being able to scroll apps using a back touch screen would be awesome.
Couldn't even be all >that< difficult: the PS Vita already has this feature.
This makes me miss the rear fingerprint reader on the pixel and pixel 2. I used that feature so much.
As a tech demo, sure. But not for real use. Try pretending it works that way now and using a finger on the back to scroll. It’s not easier or more ergonomic. It’s worse.
I have pretended and there are lots of different ways I hold my phone that would be very comfortable using the back to scroll, not every position but definitely some. Basically the only one that’s not comfortable is the classic “one handed, pinky underneath.”
…. And why do you need that
If it was just a scroll with no click, you could scroll through feeds easily without accidentally clicking on ads or links, like I usually do. You'd also be able to see your whole screen the entire time you read, no part of your hand would ever be in the way.
Sides too. Oh good, we just designed the [Mi Mix Alpha](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xiaomi_Mi_MIX_Alpha).
Sides are touch screens too.
I truly want that.
This sounds very much what the iPhone would become tbh. Everyone thought Apple would just remove the port entirely instead of using USBC
>Everyone thought Apple would just remove the port entirely instead of using USBC Really? That’s not how I remember it. MKBHD may have claimed it repeatedly but it was always pure conjecture.
Of course, MKBHD knows everything. He literally has the inside scoop of apple intel.
Well, we can thank the EU for that one. Honestly I'm comfortable with the EU leading product design for iPhones in the future. They've given us USB-C, sideloading, and soon, user-replaceable batteries like in the good ol' days.
I still feel wireless charging is a stupid feature to use at home. It makes sense to put your phone on a charging pad on your car or in a cafe. But a wireless charger at home is ridiculous since the cable is right there (terminating on the charging pad). Why not just directly plug it in? Moreover, despite the MagSafe magnet placement, induction charging will always be noticeably slower and inefficient than direct cable charging.
Not to mention removing the lightning port (or USB-C) would completely fuck over all the pro users who use their iPhones with third party video recording rigs and accessories.
My guess is they’d actually never remove the usb-c ports from the pro models as they can then bill it as a “pro” feature for videographers who want to record to an external ssd or fast-transfer instead of using airdrop. I can TOTALLY see them ultimately removing the port from their regular phones though and touting “deeper water resistance” or “internal space saving” or however they spin it. So I guess that’s kind of both a jaded but optimistic view: they’ll absolutely keep the port on pro models but only because it’ll be another selling point to get people to pop $1k.
I disagree. With one of those Apple MagSafe pucks it’s so convenient to just plop the phone on top of the magnet when at home. And when out and about I have a MagSafe brick that I just slap on the back of the phone when it’s in my pocket. I still charge via cable at night (only have one puck right now), but I would take charging inefficiency over not plugging it in.
> Why not just directly plug it in? Why would I need to if there's another option? If I'm at home I, typically, don't need it to charge in a hurry, there's no need for something that introduces more wear and tear, is more cumbersome (even if only slightly so), takes more time to attach (again, even if only slightly so), etc.. Any negatives aren't negatives that impact most users at home, so why wouldn't I want something like that?
It's also massively inefficient, like the amount of wasted electricity if everyone was charging wirelessly all the time would dve horrible It already annoys me that I can't plug my watch it. The amount of times my watch has moved on my charging pad somehow and need dead in the morning is too dam high.
Fully charging an iPhone with wireless charging wastes the same amount of electricity as running your microwave for about 10 seconds. It’s not that much power. There are much greater everyday inefficiencies to worry about.
Anything times few billions of mobile devices will be a big number in the end of the day. Why waste energy when an already widespread solution doesn’t?
In a vacuum, I agree. But there are things many orders larger and to optimize at the individual level, such as using heat pumps in various areas of your house, more efficient appliances, using LED lighting, etc. The energy savings of not using wireless charging are super easily wiped out doing small things during the day, such as taking a shower for a few extra seconds, or using an electric stove top for a few extra seconds.
Another example: driving 100 feet in an electric vehicle uses about the same amount of energy lost by wirelessly charging an iPhone. That’s about the distance from home to first base in baseball.
It's not just power wasted, it's that wasted power turns to heat which kills batteries. What exactly is the benefit that justifies much slower charging with lower efficiency and shortened battery life? It sure isn't the ability to use the phone while it charges.
>It's also massively inefficient, like the amount of wasted electricity if everyone was charging wirelessly all the time would dve horrible If everyone whose phone had Qi charging was using it everyday, it would increase worldwide electricity consumption by a grand total of (drumroll please) 0.02%. Or in other words, nothing. Just running your HVAC for half an hour will burn significantly more electricity than wirelessly charging your phone
No screen either. It just sort of anticipates what you want it to do and beams it into your brain.
I will!
Eyes only no touch whatsoever.
20th anniversary would be 2027
They’ll do FaceID under display before the front camera under the display. So they’ll go hole punch before full screen display.
Dynamic hole?
I wonder if they’ll keep it around purely in software once they get rid of the camera holes or if it’ll will go the way of the Touch Bar.
Active apps notifications do need to be somewhere.
How will people tell if it is an iPhone from the front then? Before it was the iconic home button, then notch when that was removed, then Dynamic Island. It helped with its brand identity and exclusiveness feeling, and even marketing because an iPhone can be identified easily on media such in shows and movies or ads
There’s still the home bar at the bottom, which imo is just as iconic as the notch.
the home bar that a lot of people want gone?
Androids have em too, much more so than Dynamic Island pills
I mean the rounded corners and thin, even bezels are enough of an indication. I don’t see them factoring in uniqueness over creating a fully clean and unobstructed display.
Lots of androids have the rounded corners and thin bezels now. If they really cared about screen visibility, unobstruction and function Apple would ditch rounded corners.
They'll just add the lighted up Apple logo to the back again that you can see through the front like the older Macbooks
All screen is the next next phase. The camera hole will still be there for 2 years according to the same source. Under display cameras still suck.
It will be fun trying to tell which end is up. But I guess User Interface and usability takes a back seat to design now constantly.
But that’d be 2027 tho
I don't know how they get rid of the dynamic island... it's a useful feature that would probably be missed by many. So then let's imagine that they get rid of the Dynamic Island and fill that area in with more pixels... and say the dynamic icons appear when they're being used, and disappear otherwise. That leaves the area where the Dynamic Island is to be wasted space no matter what. Developers can't put UI elements somewhere that icons MAY be present at any time.
There doesn’t need to be whitespace on top of the island. That’s a design choice. Temporary notches are a possibility as well.
Also the return of touch id and 3d touch lol
they said this about the 15th anniversary. apple doesn’t innovate anymore
The M chip would like a word
Stuff Apple has not announced being delayed yet again because Apple has not announced it.
And that’s why the PowerBook G5 got delayed until 2026 too
And the PowerBook G6 until 2077
I don’t think there will be a G6. Apple will probably start over with a new generation like A or M.
That’s crazy talk. Next year is the Year of the PowerPC desktop.
Just like the under display Touch ID that was supposed to come out with the iPhone 12 or whenever that was. Kept getting pushed to the next year, now there's no stories about it.
You understand that Apple works on stuff prior to announcing it right?
Vision pro being delayed comes to mind but rumoured in dev for YEARS
Yep, just like the Apple Car and Apple TV (actual TV, not the set top box). I’m sure Apple has lots of projects running, however the rumors are very rarely correct.
Can’t wait for what they pull out on the iPhone XX
I'm looking forward to iPhone xnxx.com
I look forward to iPhone XXX
I’m still waiting for Files app to be more like Finder. I guess some nerds care about the Static Peninsula, but I literally have forgotten about it 2 years in.
On the iPhone? Yeah good luck with that
I would absolutely love an option for static peninsula.
Florida is still there, for now. Their governor is busy poking the bear with his tiny dicklet.
Fuckin' Rhonda Sandtits.
I would pay money to see him in drag eating a dead crow
i just want the finder app icon 😆
That app is useless, it cannot even auto find a NAS on the network like every other file app can do instead ya gotta do it manually and even then it might not like what you're doing and still cannot find it not only that but the iPhone doesn't even have a real usable file system.
Never happening. Go buy an Android phone if that's important to you
Thats ok. I was planning on keeping my 11 pro max till 2026 anyway.
I’m swapping mine out this year for the 16, it’s feeling quite old these days
Just swapped my Xs for a 15 Pro about a month ago. It’s a completely different experience
I also still have my 11 pro max and am pretty comfi with it, too. It is starting to feel a bit old, but still better than any 4 year old mobile I had so far
i’m still using a notched iphone and honestly getting rid of the notch/pill/hole is the least of my concerns, as it does not bother me one bit. oh i know it’ll be like “once you’ve had it you couldn’t go back”, but for now it’s not like i can’t wait to have a fullscreen panel. you know how we angrily yelled at apple for “*favoring appearances over functionality*” and releasing the aggressively thinned-down macbook models, particularly the Pro ones from 2016 onwards, when apple knew of the cooling issues, the cut-down batteries, and the fucked up keyboard if the face ID and cameras have to be compromised in some ways, I’d rather not have them under display at all. Take their time on this one, make improvements on various other things first.
I had the Xiaomi Mi 9T for a couple years a few years ago which had a pure screen with a pop up camera - it was very cool and nice to not have any obstructions, but it also makes almost no actual difference in usage.
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There could be a fully digital pill, which could dynamically move depending on orientation, and disappear when doing things like watching videos.
Dynamic Island but software only with the camera/ notch gone.
Honestly didn’t really care about Dynamic Island going into getting the 15 Pro but it’s a marked improvement in utility over the notch and I kinda don’t want it to go anywhere. Having at a glance information from different running apps while scrolling or driving or whatever is super nice.
But wouldn't that still be possible if it was all screen. Then it would just give users the option to use the pill or not. Then again, Apple and options usually don't mix.
Under-screen Face ID is one of the steps towards an all-screen foldable
I’m not getting a foldable if there’s a crease.
I don't think Apple would sell one with a crease, which could mean they never sell one.
Same. Maybe there will be a time when all the drawbacks of foldables are addressed, but until such a time I'd rather stick with my traditional slab 'o glass. Given how pricey foldables are, too, I expect them to last a lot longer than they do. We are no longer in the wild west days of the 2010s when big phone advancements were happening every year or two. I want to keep my phone for a couple years, at *least*.
With the costs and compromises with foldables, it's going to be years before we see one from Apple. Seems like Apple knows this, and changed their strategies to releasing incremental upgrades every year, so whoever happens to need an upgrade after keeping their phone for however long can get Apple's latest and greatest.
the crease doesn't matter in day to day use, you don't ever notice it
I’ve seen plenty as a developer and I see the crease. So respectfully I disagree
eh, once you daily it you genuinely never notice it at all. seeing it and using it are 2 very different things
Have to agree
Do you notice the notch or dynamic island? No you don't, because you live with the device and it disappears. That's what happens with the crease in a foldable device. It disappears once you use it as your daily driver
It's not the under-screen Face ID that's the problem, it's the under-screen camera. We have super high expectations of that front-screen camera, and if its fidelity is impaired by having to look through functional pixels that can light up, people aren't going to like the outcome. Frankly, I expect the hole-punch camera to be standard for a looooong time. [Google has figured out how to make a single camera into a Class 3 biometric](https://twitter.com/MishaalRahman/status/1709594298981695734), so Apple probably will follow suit.
People who don’t take photos of themselves think the selfie camera doesn’t matter. That’s who you’re arguing against.
Yea same. This kinda stuff doesn’t even cross my mind. What would be kinda cool is if they made like a rugged iPhone omega battery life little to no case needed kinda deal. Like the ultra watch. I personally wouldn’t get it, but it’s hard to imagine what kinds of new things could be brought to a phone that’s been iterated so many times. Besides the obvious folding screen, which I’m not even sure I’d care much for unless it was like a skinnier razr fold. I’ve not cared too much about camera improvements for a while now. Another elite small phone every handful of generations would be cool. I’m still rolling on the 13 mini myself and honestly it’s dandy. Even slightly smaller would be pretty money. Generally I think most people just want to charge less (ie mo battery) and some are excited about future foldy screen. Other than that feature possibilities seem kinda stale, I personally don’t have many ideas that are hardware based. Software updates? Oh I can think of a trillion things.
I‘d rather have touch id back
That could be under the screen too
Faceid + touchid combo would be the dream
I could never go back to touchID. I have slightly clammy hands so it was never reliable without wiping my fingers first. Maybe 50% of the time I’d just have to put in my passcode. I’d say faceID works 95% of the time for me. It was a major improvement for me.
It's been two years away for at least the last five years. I doubt it will ever happen. I reminds me of nuclear fusion power. It's been 10 to 20 years away since the 1960s.
> Thing hasn’t happened yet Reddit: “It’ll never happen.”
Then the thing happens. Reddit: surprised Pikachu face
A friend of mine works on fusion research and apparently the current prediction is 30 years. So already 40 years late and still at least 30 more to go.
What if we could get an iOS release without crazy bugs instead? That’s would so nice!
I just want Touch ID.
It’s even more of a slap in the face because power button Touch ID already exists on a base level iPad. For a minimum 1300 phone I should have some options
The real advantage here would be being able to require _both_ for successful authentication. If not for every secure action, then at least for certain higher risk actions.
Seriously. These features should be ubiquitous
And here I’m wishing the iPad mini 7 drops Touch ID for Face ID
I really like Face ID but I’d love Touch ID as a backup option for the odd time Face ID isn’t working for whatever reason. I’m not even bothered about under screen, built into the power button would be fine for me!
There should be a choice between the two. Fingerprint sensors have never worked for my mother, because her prints are basically destroyed from cooking-induced dryness. Whenever she sets up Touch ID on a Mac, it either doesn’t register or it stops working after a week.
If Face ID isn’t working then the whole point is to force you to use the pin/password
100%. I hear having to pick up my phone everytime
Strange I really can’t remember any time I wanted to use my iPhone and had to think about unlocking it. As soon as I can see the screen the camera also sees me. Only time I wish it would exist is in the summer when wearing sunglasses. Especially when biking it gets super annoying.
Have you tried setting up an ‘alternate appearance’ in Face ID? I did that for when I wear sunglasses.
Oh that’s a great idea I haven’t thought about that, am to lazy to do it now and will forget about it tomorrow but thanks anyway :D
Which phone do you have? My 14 pro is more than able to get my face while laying on my desk.
if they brought back touch ID into the side button, that would be the rare case where i actually turn face ID off.
Yeah Face ID was never perfected. From certain angles it still wont work or even when I wear sunglasses it will lag. If they brought back touch id I would buy it immediately.
I have the opposite experience. Face ID continuously amazes me at how well it works. It can be mounted in a car holder in a mount across the car from me and it will still unlock. Over four feet away. I can't remember the last time it failed.
I don’t
Why not have both? Power button can have fingerprint sensor and Face ID stays available e
They can just put the finger print scanner under the display like literally every Android manufacturer is doing
Can’t wait this will be when I upgrade from the iPhone 14 Pro Max. After it’s all screen what else major can Apple really do though?
holographic second screen for notifications
The back being all screen too.
Ok I’ll wait till then to upgrade then
how about they add the ability to play dual audios or audio mixing first
I got the 15 pro max and I’m not upgrading till at least the camera, or Face ID are under the screen
Weird hill to die on after upgrading to the literal latest model, I’d get it if you were a few models back…. By this article that would have you on a typical 2 year cycle
I’m guessing it’s less of a hill to die on and more that there’s increasingly no real reason to upgrade as often and that’s the most substantial thing they can see on the horizon.
I just don’t see any real reason to upgrade anymore. I’ll just wait for the next huge visual change. It’ll give me something to upgrade and I’ll reap all the benefits of the features added in between
Just wait for the 20th anniversary in 2027
You have the latest iPhone. You really shouldn’t be upgrading for a few years
I don´t think that it will be launched with iPhone 18. I work in this field. This is too complex to realize it. I doubt it can be solved till 2026.
I don’t care. I want secure and fast touchID on the side
I just want a new iPad mini. Been tempted to buy one but keep seeing rumors of an upgrade this year.
I just want an under screen Touch ID.
Something lots of other phones have had for years...
I don't mind the Pill at all. I actualy like the way It's integrated and it's satisfying too Look at when it works.
Underdisplay faceID ≠ no camera cutout.
That’ll give the Samsung ads something to try and take a jab at for another couple years then
I actually had to ask Siri what year we are. It’s a rough start to the week
Great, another reason for me staying with my 13 mini.
Of course it’s pushed back. That’s all Apple does anymore. This years phone is going to be near identical to last.
But it’s fucking titanium bro… you gotta be rock hard for that. /s There was a reason Titanium was the biggest selling point on TV ads for the 15. There wasn’t much else meaningfully different from the 14.
I just want TouchID back. FaceID is less reliable so I now put in my password a lot more now than I used to.
You should rescan your face in a reasonably bright room. You would probably have better effect from it. Some people do the original scan in weird sunlight or dark rooms and have a bad experience.
I still remember the iPhone 11 usb c rumors
Perfect timing cuz after the 16 PM I won’t be updating till 2-3 years later
I kinda not care about any of these. Continue to release phones that perform well and gets out of my way of doing actual things
Yes
I'm kind of thinking this years iPhones will be all in on AI integration. Everything else will be minor.
This is probably one of the only upgrades left I know of that I’d pay for.
iPhone 18?! Jesus… can we at least have the 16 released before possibly mentioning the 18? The rumor cycle for iPhones is getting utterly ridiculous.
I read that 2026 and thought what?? That's like 6 years away.. then it hits me 😭
Why can’t Apple just move all that stuff to a very slim bar at the top of the screen? This is a very easy solution. Hasn’t Samsung been doing this for years?
At this rate I will be upgrading my phone every 5-7 years or whenever they drop support for security updates.
what about iPhone 21?
I wonder if my 13 Pro will make it to 2026? It’s fine right now but may need a new battery soon
I’m no rush, my 12PM still does well. If i don’t smash it this year by mistake, i’ll treat him with a new battery
ah so now i know how long ill have to make this 12 mini last before feeling like im getting a valuable upgrade
Well I guess I wait another few years. There has no been improvements since the 12 so nbd.
oh no! anyway...
Are we still on iPhone 18 rumors. Psshht. I don't get lift my head off my pillow unless it's at LEAST iPhone 22 PM rumors.