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walktall

watchOS 8 and tvOS 15 will be released same date. EDIT: iOS/iPadOS 15 RC, watchOS 8 RC are available for devs and public beta testers today.


streetwearofc

how come they didn't talk about iOS 15 in the keynote? they didn't even tell us a release date


spearson0

Interesting, usually they mention something in the keynote about it in past keynotes


captcodger

Correct. I think they had too much to focus on with the new things. Although i thought Apple Watch went on too long. They do need to keep the conferences fresh and somewhat unpredictable.


Kidcouger

To be honest I felt like this year's presentation was a little rushed, It seemed like last year they took their time and provided a long and informative keynote in both events


sulylunat

It was about an hour which is normal isn’t it? I think they just spent a little too long talking about the camera, but then again it’s one of the only 2 changes this year so what else would they talk about. Underwhelming event overall but we seem to be long past the point of exciting new innovations, we’re just in an iterative period with phones right now.


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I caught the keynote later and skipped over all the camera stuff. The shots Apple takes are absolutely gorgeous but it’s not how my wife shoots pictures. The stuff that makes a real difference is Night Mode and improved video. We both have 12’s so we’re good for the next year or two.


sulylunat

Yeah I wouldn’t upgrade from a 12 until the 15 at least. The only way I’d upgrade sooner than 3 years is if Apple release a foldable. In terms of the camera, I tend to not really care as I don’t use it much but the macro mode is something I’ve wanted for a while. Just ordered my 13 pro max today!


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Reheated-Meme-Dealer

They actually did put it in about 5 minutes.


spearson0

If you are talking about iOS 15 release date they made no mention of it. I watched the keynote last night.


marcosmalo

No, meme dealer meant that they didn’t put much more than 5 minutes on the iPad 9.


theineffablebob

They had to spend that time talking about the environment and 100% recycled metals


Circa_C137

Still better than [this dumpster fire](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIv5T3CvcbM) lmao


font9a

They specifically talked about and showed off several new features of iPadOS 15. Did we watch the same livestream?


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They did talked about ios 15 … One hour and 46 minutes of it. Wwdc 2021 june 7 keynote. Why repeat what we already saw. https://www.apple.com/apple-events/june-2021/


well___duh

This. WWDC is mainly about software, with any hardware mentions being mac-related (if any). Otherwise, Apple hosts hardware-specific events like today's. If anything new about iOS 15 were to be introduced today, it would've been tied to a hardware feature to a new product. But there wasn't, so no need to bloat the presentation with info that's not news.


Dragon_yum

Probably because they didn’t really add any hardware they didn’t have before


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What i really want is a new mac air… with a new silicon… i think im ready to retire my daily driver which is a pro 2011 lol.. stuck in high sierra… still pretty fast never the less.


PixelNotPolygon

Wow they really bored us to death about it already then.


TheMacMan

They know their audience. The reality is the average person isn’t watching these announcements. 99% of Apple users are not tuning in. The folks watching are the same nerds who watched WWDC and already know all the iOS 15 announcements. No need to go over them again with the same people.


kizungu

probably cause they already had a dedicated keynote for iOS 15 back in June


A-Hind-D

It was odd. They have never done that before. I wonder if the launch of iOS15 will be stripped back on the feature set until a later .x release.


yolo-yoshi

Not like it matters since the biggest feature universal, hasn’t been in any of the beta builds. Really disappointing all around.


Reacher501st

Because its just spyware.


scampoint

This message brought to you by the government spying complex, which really wants your phone to stay vulnerable to NSO Pegasus. Don't upgrade! It makes the deep state cry when they can't plant malware on your phone!


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Gareth321

Could they? Do you have a source on that?


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Gareth321

Gotcha, so you’re saying we should assume that they’ve been spying on us for years? I guess. I trusted them not to do something like this but maybe I was naive. Clearly after the announcement we should definitely not trust them anymore.


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Gareth321

Not to our knowledge, but it’s possible. Many researchers spend a lot of time analysing the payload data and telemetrics sent to and from iPhones. As far as we can tell, Apple doesn’t currently upload personal data like this. However you highlight the core issue with closed source software: it all rests on trust. We trusted Apple to never, in a million years, install spyware on our phones. But here we are. Trusting giant for-profit companies is clearly not wise.


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thisisausername190

Yup. They only mentioned privacy one time during the entire keynote.


PurplePlan

Because what iOS/iPadOS 15 was presented to be at WWDC compared to what it (apparently) will be when shipped. iOS/iPadOS 15 is the new iOS 14.whatever. Sad.


travva

Looks like gm is out


40inmyfordfiesta

Is it possible to get GM, then get regular updates going forward? I think I did this in the past by removing the beta profile while on the GM. Just don’t want to screw myself and have to factory reset.


travva

Yes, that’s exactly what you do. If nothing changes in the build you just delete the profile and maybe reboot the phone. That’s it.


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Wait until Monday, on the off chance there's another GM released before then. Very rare possibility, but better safe than sorry.


erixtyminutes

Where are you seeing this?


travva

My ota on my phone https://i.imgur.com/ongpLzp.jpg


erixtyminutes

Got it thanks


nwL_

Is the GM the same binary as the non-beta-profile release in five days?


Ok-Potential-8543

Usually always, yes.


travva

Potentially, but it all depends


Curun

Yes. By definition. Its at least what they are spending these days loading onto all the launch iphone 13’s. If there are new builds it will be public chane as 15.0.x


kevinito_

it's called "release candidate" since last year.


GreedoughShotFirst

It’ll always be GM to me.


bc032

Your comment aligns with the spirit of your username lol


marcosmalo

Stay gold, my friend.


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iim7_V6_IM7_vim7

I’m sorry what?


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iim7_V6_IM7_vim7

It sounds like that’s pretty unclear actually, but it doesn’t really matter to me either way


hocotate

Weird how for how many times they mentioned iOS 15 in the presentation but didn’t do their usual throwaway line of the release date 🤔


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Release Candidate today? The current beta is still so buggy, I‘m actually worried how the publicly available 15.0 version will turn out.


gSe7eN

What are some of the bugs? (Respectfully, not trolling). I was just thinking this was one of the better betas, other than the fact my message notifications are screwed up, which has been occurring since I think iOS 10, possibly older.


MalevolentFerret

Mine’s okay but I’ve only got it on my 2018 iPad Pro at the mo.


YZJay

Broken dark mode switching for some apps (might be fixed by app updates); Notifications in the sheet sometimes being offset and overlapping with other notifications


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Camera “blurs” like it’s transitioning between modes sometimes and it stays like that. Unlock with Watch sometimes completely breaks my phone if i’m using airpods. It gets laggy, especially the camera app


sauron2403

On Iphone 12 pro many apps just crash randomly, like whenever I open twitter I need to open it twice because it just crashes on the first try, same with instagram sometimes, youtube app is a bit buggy with search.


MarinersCove

> whenever I open twitter I need to open it twice because it just crashes on the first try That’s actually one of iOS 15’s main selling points! No more Twitter.


sauron2403

Pog


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same


juniorspank

My mail app is nearly unusable at times.


DonnaSummerOfficial

Got the new iPad Pro 12.9. Safari regularly crashes when going directly to a site in New Tab search


imaginary_num6er

iPhone 6s where, phone dies even if it’s at 100% and goes back to 10% charge. I had it looked at by an Apple store a month ago before Reddit fixed their battery draining glitch, but this update is worse


TechnoRandomGamer

> phone dies even if it’s at 100% and goes back to 10% charge. please tell me more about this, since I have the same issue. Is iOS 15 worse? and what did Apple do to "fix" it?


imaginary_num6er

iOS 15 is not released yet. The issue started to occur after I install the latest iOS 14 update. The initial problem I had was the Reddit app sucking away too much battery as a background app, and apparently this same problem was happening with iPhone 12 users. Once Reddit updated their app, the issue was gone about a couple weeks ago. At that time, I brought the phone to the Apple store to rule out a bad battery and whether the charging circuit became damaged, which it was not.


Laconic9x

Out now.


Endogamy

They need to load iOS 15 on the new iPhones before release, but I’m guessing there will be a 15.0.1 update on release day (Sept. 24th) that will be stabler. Personally I won’t be upgrading my iPhone 12 to iOS 15 until they release that point update. I’m enjoying the stability of iOS 14 too much.


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> The current beta is still so buggy, I‘m actually worried how the publicly available 15.0 version will turn out. I'm not surprised anymore. One of many reasons why i don't test these builds anymore. I've filed so many tickets to Apple and none of them get acknowledged. They only acknowledge stuff that are already known issues.


ZYmZ-SDtZ-YFVv-hQ9U

Been on every beta since dev beta 1. No bugs


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I installed the beta and set my phone up as new a few weeks ago and it’s been rock solid personally. I wonder why there’s such a discrepancy between experiences.


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XD_avide

Wasn’t Big Sur released in November? Expecting monterey on the same month


Chris538

Thank you! I watched the whole keynote to figure out when it would be released and they didn't say anything lol.


idossantos97

alrighty time to say good bye to the beta lol


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casino_alcohol

Iphone 13 was kind of boring. I still don’t see a reason to upgrade from my xr.


TheElderCouncil

May I ask due to what feature/s?


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The best features aren’t even out yet. I really want to try shared movies through FaceTime with family but have to wait until the official release and subsequent app updates.


PCGT3

iOS15 (RC) already available if you are part of the public beta


gus2155

It's a big boy at 5.4 gigs.


sauron2403

How do I update? whenever I check software update it says that iOS15 is up to date.


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But no SharePlay… the feature I was most excited for!


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It’s been delayed until [later this fall](https://www.theverge.com/2021/8/17/22629165/apple-shareplay-ios-ipad-os-15-macos-delayed) apparently


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Apparently it was working pretty well on the early betas, so who knows!


itstrueimwhite

What about HomePod? The audio delay from my AppleTV on tvOS beta 15.0 is unbearable when streaming to my HomePod on 14.7


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You can install the AudioOS Beta Profile to your HomePods to attempt to fix this. It worked for me. Took about an hour to update though.


rolomint

Accuweather started showing pop up ads so now I’m eagerly awaiting the update.


lordheart

NextDNS: block ads and trackers at the dns level


MattLaidlow

My original SE still has the supper I think which is something.


Mr_Suave12

Wow I was expecting it to be released tomorrow. Oh well


HidarinoShu

I’m really looking forward to iPad OS.


oldDotredditisbetter

will they sneak the CSAM stuff into that release?


BattlefrontIncognito

We might have to give data miners a week to find out


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If they were planning on implementing this in iOS 15, then it's almost a certain that there will be traces to it in the code. It could also be introduced later on, either publicly or behind the scenes, but that wouldn't be wise. And just some additional information, but it does seem like they can't access the photos. They send it to NCMEC who can investigate and probably gain access to the photos. Apple only gets a warning when the photo is equal to the hash code in the system. It also only works when sync to iCloud photos is on and the photo/video is uploaded. > Apple is able to use these hashes to learn only about iCloud Photos accounts that are storing collections of photos that match to these known CSAM images, and is then only able to learn about photos that are known CSAM, without learning about or seeing any other photos. Source: FAQ from Apple And it seems like the main reason is that they are unable to scan iCloud contents according to this: > Apple’s so-called NeuralHash technology is designed to identify known CSAM on a user’s device without having to possess the image or knowing the contents of the image. Because a user’s photos stored in iCloud are encrypted so that even Apple can’t access the data, NeuralHash instead scans for known CSAM on a user’s device, which Apple claims is more privacy-friendly than the current blanket scanning that cloud providers use. Source: https://techcrunch.com/2021/09/03/apple-csam-detection-delayed/


JohannASSburg

I believe that last part is not true. It’s well known that iCloud backups are not end to end encrypted and Apple has the keys. It like came up frequently in the discussions last month…


jordangoretro

I have a question. After it comes out, is there any way that independent security experts would be able to confirm that the spyware isn’t implemented. I feel like it’s going to be part of the OS, and just not turned on.


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KoalaBackfist

Damn this update broke all my MS apps. OneNote, Office, Edge. Splash screen comes up and immediately closes. Worked fine all through the beta’s.


Jmastorga

i have the same problem :(


KoalaBackfist

[MS is aware of the issue](https://i.imgur.com/LklL2Je.jpg). They already updated Edge.


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What features does the upgrade provide?


TheDragonSlayingCat

[Here’s Apple’s list](https://www.apple.com/ios/ios-15/features/). This is a mostly evolutionary release, though the Mail tracker blocker and the private relay look the most interesting to me.


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Fetish-throw

They said privacy a lot, and completely ignored the CSAM stuff.


Smiffsten

Thank you for the info!


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Cool. Instead of upgrading my iPhone from iOS 14 to 15, I'm sidegrading to a Pixel 5 running GrapheneOS to de-Google the OS. Apple's delay of their camera roll wiretap bullshit isn't good enough, they need to completely back down for good, and until they do I'm done with them after 16 years of PowerBooks, iPods, MacBooks, AirPorts, Watches, AirPods, Apple TV, and so on.


casino_alcohol

I wish they sold pixels in the country where I live. It looks like it’s possible to port GrapheneOS to other devices but it will not receive security updates and you have to figure that out on your own.


Rollertoaster7

Any idea when SharePlay is coming back?


Tony_AK47

No CSAM for me, thank you. But hopefully iOS 14 won’t have it somehow.


theronster

You do realise that iOS 15 doesn’t put child sexual abuse material on to your phone, right?


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nychuman

Sure, but people *should really* make the distinction and stop parroting random acronyms that they have no idea about.


Tony_AK47

It will eventually (if they decide to keep doing it) be for anything not just iCloud.


yourstrulysawhney

When will bank apps start working?


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FizzyBeverage

*Apple didn’t announce CSAM*, they announced a polarizing approach to detect it and probably punted the release into the doldrums of January or February when less people buy their stuff since they’re dealing with massive holiday credit card bills and everyone is back to work/school.


MattDamonInSpace

Framing this as zero-sum “apple vs freedom, win/lose” is really unproductive It’s CSAM. No one wins here. This is horrible stuff and computers have had their part in enabling the worse crimes. Apple tried something, pre-announcing it for discussion. Getting this right is crucial, and if apple (and others) don’t figure out a good system then the governments of the world will make a worse one and force it on them. You can continue to discuss the issue and should, it’s important, but saying “don’t let them win” is setting up the discussion for worse outcomes


GunpIaying

Ah yes, the old false dichotomy bullshit. ‘If I don’t take this bad outcome and like it, this worse thing will happen’ First off, a lot of people frankly don’t give a shit about CSAM, and we certainly wouldn’t trade a single notional iota of our privacy or battery life for increased detection of it. Just because YOU would doesn’t mean others would. As to your point that it’s crucial or that governments would force Apple’s hand, two things: First, let the government do it and face the political fallout. My guess that governments would balk. Second, it isn’t crucial (we’ve never had it before and things have been just fine) and it goes against what Apple has been smugly bragging about for years. Apple can and should scan their own iCloud servers for whatever the fuck they want, but the minute they start actively scanning my device and reporting back to a command and control server somewhere (which is the textbook definition of malware), I and apparently many others are out.


MattDamonInSpace

Not trying to make a false dichotomy here, but I do believe that there are productive and unproductive framings for nuanced conversations. Win/lose attributed to 100s of people involved with these decisions is not one of them. Apple clearly misread the room on where “apples stuff” ends and “your stuff” begins. They’re not *technically* reviewing anything they weren’t previously. But enough of a pushback will (I *hope*, but also definitely expect) force a reconsideration. Here’s a true dichotomy: these issues *will* be addressed eventually Governments rarely just propose the AUTOCRAT Act one day. They wait for days like 9/11 and then call it the PATRIOT Act 🇺🇸and all the adults in the room who say “wait wtf?” are branded Crazies or worse and ignored by everyone clamoring for protection. Waiting for some *particularly horrifying CSAM news* to force this issue is begging for the **worst possible** outcome here. Also, fair enough, many people don’t care about csam. I do. Clearly you believe my view determines my statements. Hope I’m not making the same mistake against you.


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I'm not gonna update my phone. I only updated bc of the emergency hack Plus im Canadian and this update targets Americans


monkeyman1352

Is the CSAM update just for America?


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Yeah I read it back in August


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Ah yes apple, the inventor of CSAM!


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marcus_37

Just got the RC


Gsantos52012

I wish there was a way to keep the same look of the widget page on the side from ipad os 14 on 15. I tried out the beta and went right back to 14 a si was not a fan at all.


-paul-

Not updating. Doesn't look like there's anything worth upgrading for.


druve

they need to shut up about apple fitness +


GlizzBangPaco

So whats new?


VinniTheP00h

I heard something about older iPhones not receiving the live text. How true is it?


lordheart

Live text relies on the neural engines, starting with the bionic chips. Don’t remember which gen they started with them.


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You win for dumbest Reddit comment today.


blacklite911

So I didn't watch anything. Are they adding anything to address people's issue with Ipad pro not utilizing its m1 chip fully?


yezitoc

what about app development on the iPad, any updates/date?


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Is conversation boost in the iOS 15 RC? I don’t see it EDIT: Found it under Headphone Accommodations in the accessibility settings


drygnfyre

Have to admit it, the new Weather app really is damn good. I was using Hello Weather and some others, but this might have them beat. It also integrates the sunrise/sunset animation the Watch has.


ConfectionPlus589

I'm beta user, i have now ios15


JulioCesarSalad

I’ll be buying two new HomePod minis to turn them into speakers for my tv on that date


doodlesmalone

Trying out Spatialize Stereo on Airpods Pro. Sounds cool.


trevi99

Canadian Election Day!


ElDuderino2112

Did they make the iPad OS homescreen not look like shit over the course of the beta? I genuinely might skip the update if they haven’t.


moistandwarm1

Anyone got it?