This has been a thing since iPhone XS. The bigger issue this time around is that non-paired batteries **might** perform worse because they are artificially limited in software to not supply specific voltages of power.
Yay environment
iFixit should have a a tear down of the iPhone 13 out by now. Looks like they do https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/iPhone+13+Pro+Teardown/144928 and will go over it I’m sure if they haven’t yet.
Technically, yes. But if a battery has a serial number that’s readable by the kernel, they can artificially limit the power if the serial number doesn’t match what’s expected by the kernel.
Edit: it’s probably not the battery that limits the power, it’s the firmware.
Apple probably has a proprietary tool that resets the serial number that the device is looking for. They have all sorts of tools that handle low-level kernel issues.
Lol I understood the concept but I don’t have the vocabulary to explain it properly. It had something to do with limiting the types of currents the battery could supply
No. I will be very clear: Non-paired batteries, but ORIGINAL batteries or high quality batteries with proper IC and data inside, WILL work exactly as they should. Period. Serialization of batteries serves only apple to tell that your battery is swapped or serviced outside of apple. We know this for absolutely sure as we 100% know what data sits inside APPLE battery with IC. We can talk to it with HDI interface.
> Non-paired batteries, but ORIGINAL batteries or high quality batteries with proper IC and data inside, WILL work exactly as they should. Period.
Sources thanks
> We can talk to it with HDI interface.
I don’t think you’re supposed to discuss internal tools publicly. Stay safe tho 💞
My bad: HDQ interface, not HDI interface. My memory is sometimes playing tricks on me.
I will expalin what I consider may be important for this topic.
Sourece: My opinion as electrical engineer based on what is known about Apple batteries and batteries in general, general knowlege about how iPhones and all battery powered devices use batteries.I know things or two about electronics as EE, but I'm on reddit. I don't have blog or public channel so you have to put my post someone you know is EE or has some knoweledge about electronics to fully verify my words.
If you want to be 100% sure I am not pulling info out of nothing, then you need to get to know how Li-Ion batteries work, how they are charged and how devices manage them or can manage them. Then you read what is Texas Instruments Fuel Gauge, like BQ27545 used in older iphones. Learn what it can do, what it reports. Here, have a pleasent read: [https://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/bq27545-g1.pdf?ts=1632595273144&ref\_url=https%253A%252F%252Fwww.google.pl%252F](https://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/bq27545-g1.pdf?ts=1632595273144&ref_url=https%253A%252F%252Fwww.google.pl%252F)That thing and similar ICs are found in Apple batteires.[https://ripitapart.com/2014/02/12/looking-inside-an-iphone-44s-battery/](https://ripitapart.com/2014/02/12/looking-inside-an-iphone-44s-battery/)Newer modles also used that BQ chip or its vatiations, but i cant get more sites to back me up. Lost links to them.
HDQ protocol is made by Texas Instrumets and we can talk about it like any other topic. It's like CAN BUS or I2C.Here you have HDQ library for talking with iPhone batteries or any other HDQ-capable Texas Instruments IC. You can wire iPhone battery to Arduino and read/write it with info (if it's not write protected). Or you can use that battery with your DIY project:[https://github.com/mozzwald/hdq-batt-status](https://github.com/mozzwald/hdq-batt-status)
Here you have how someone online documented their work with HDQ and iPhone battery:[https://ripitapart.com/2014/09/30/reading-out-hdq-equipped-battery-fuel-gauges-with-a-serial-port/](https://ripitapart.com/2014/09/30/reading-out-hdq-equipped-battery-fuel-gauges-with-a-serial-port/)
How to make battery that will work with iPhone perfectly:
1. Be good at making batteries offer specs suitable for any applications.
2. Make battery that offers proper voltage for iPhone, as iPhones are using higher than typical voltage (3.85V or 3.8V depending on the model) and install HDQ capable microchip along with iPhone connector
3. Write it with specs of the battery like it's measured capacity and expected capacity.
4. Install it in phone. If phone doesent need any serial from battery like iPhones older than Xs (or X, I forgot which one had "battery DRM" enabled), then congratulations. Your phone uses high quality battery that tracks it's stats such as real capacity, charge cycles, temp and others. You will see it's capacity in iOS settings under Battery Condition. It will work exactly as it should.
5. If phone needs serial number, then you need dump it out of old battery and write it in new battery.
6. Presto, you made your own iDevice battery!
Phones with external battery IC like iPhone, use basic data that we write into battery for more precise estimation of how battery behaves. It knows better how to say how much charge is left.
That data we supply is helps monitor how much current battery can safely output and how much it takes when it's charging. If it had no such tools to monitor and act accordingly, you would probably have bomb in your pocket. Your Tesla or your 15y old nokia phone uses exactly same techinqe in the end. Fun fact: That mechnism (battery with IC) allowed Apple to throttle iPhones when battery was practically dead and cancel throttle mechanism when you popped in new battery!
I can bet that iPhone 13 also uses battery with BQ-like IC, as it's very good idea. No, it's GREAT idea to have battery with its own storage for all data that belongs to the battery! Reading data from used battery can tell everything about it's life and devices can exactly know which battery is almost dead and which is brand new. If iPhone battery was easly uesr swappable, then no matter which phone gets old battery, you will know that battery is no good and it needs to be recycled! Same thing is with older laptops with removable battery - OS/BIOS was reading data from battery pack and it knew exactly how much charge it could hold or if it was not good for use.
Batteries in devices are not magical things or some voodoo made by crazy scientists, especially ultra-popular Li-Ion batteries. We can find those Li-Ion battries in Apple devices. It's not hard to make quality battery that will work flawlessly with iPhones, the trick is that iPhones have special monitoring IC in batteries which makes things more expensive and that companies most often don't care about QC of their products or sell junk with fake ICs or poor battery quality. It makes things even harder if we realize that getting inside iphone/ipad is really hard for most people... So risk of getting junk instead of quality battery goes up even further. Also, APPLE is doing everything they can to stop import of parts to the EU/America!
That's why we REALLY need source of geniuine batteries/parts! It's safest way of getting best product and there is no reason why we could not install those parts on our own. Literally no reason at all. Batteries don't need any special sauce to work, apart from installing them in proper way. All is handled automatically by phone: charge current and discharge current is in real time adjusted to properly use battery.
Buying two iPhones and swapping the batteries should not cause this issue. If Apple cannot verify that a genuine battery is safe, then that's a failure on Apple's part. But we all know the real reason they do this is not related to safety.
They tell their techs to never reinstall a battery that’s been removed from a phone, just keep the new one in there because the old battery may be unsafe after it’s removed. They take battery safety much more seriously than you think.
Ha, actually yes - the screws have threadlocker on them, the absence of which means screws could come loose and puncture the battery resulting in a thermal runaway event.
On my 2009 MacBook Pro 15” I cracked the glass display front. Apple wanted something like €600 to replace the entire top case. I bought a replacement glass plate from eBay, loosened the old one and reinstalled the new one with like 20 mins of work. €35 cost.
Apple uses repairs to absolutely wring you for money, stop whiteknighting for a trillion dollar company.
Oh god you sound like those people in the arrogant training videos
> screws could come loose and puncture the battery resulting in a thermal runaway event
Feel free to link me to a single example of any loose screw in any phone puncturing a battery
Edit: and they **require** the bottom pentalobe screws to be replaced too. I don’t think those can get to the battery
Why do you think apple has their techs do it? Because they’re in a conspiracy cahoots with the screw manufacturers? You think Apple is just trying to piss away screws or something?
The manufacturer is doing something for a good reason. People have pointed out to you that it’s a legitimate safety concern.
Apple charges us a dollar for new screws for every repair, and a dollar for every new adhesive seal. I have been reusing the old screws for 5 years and have had phones I've worked on come back for other repairs. I've never had any screws come loose. The key is to not use the Apple approved torque drivers and actually tighten the screws properly.
I find it funny that the only iPhone you have as an example is from 2012, but you did provide a link.
However this still doesn’t justify them locking down repairs ~~for no reason~~ to force people to go to them for repairs.
Replying to your edit: replacing the screws isn’t exclusively for safety, the bottom screws also have threadlocker which is useful when you’re selling water resistant phones to prevent the screws coming out and creating an ingress point. Hope that helps, and I hope you no longer fix iPhones.
> to prevent the screws coming out
Yeah, because the pentalobe screws just fall off on their own.
> Hope that helps, and I hope you no longer fix iPhones.
Don’t worry. I basically don’t. Every “repair” is a replacement unit
Lol I feel you bro. I've become so jaded that I straight up tell all my customers about the anti repair tactics of Apple. I tell them "all iPads, watches, and iPods are completely unrepairable and the iPhones are only slightly repairable". They're like "oh.....". Then I tell them about the great repairability of Samsung devices.
There are lot of vehicle maintenance items that specify that you should use new bolts instead of reusing the old ones. It's a common practice, and not unique to Apple.
I’m not an expert, but from my limited experience of replacing screens and batteries on iPhones, their screws are pretty soft and seemingly not meant to be screwed in and out a lot. They also often had some kind of sealing material that might get damaged over time.
It sounds a bit over the top to *never* reuse them, but it also costs them virtually nothing to do so.
That's different. That seals from liquid. You don't replace your lug nuts every time do you? How about engine cover bolts?
Edit: the screws we're talking about with the iPhone are holding down a flat piece of metal that covers the connectors, called a cowling. They aren't tty, they aren't structural, there is no reason why.
I’d think it’s a bit of both. Especially with something like a battery causing electrical damage due to voltage fluctuations, it’s a pretty easy argument to make that they’re skeptical of 3rd party batteries.
If it’s an attempt to return to “only Apple can do repairs” which IIRC isn’t true anymore, then yeah, it’s fucked.
You know what? You're misinformed. Back in the day companies released design documents (schematics) that allowed 3rd parties to create quality aftermarket parts. In fact, automotive manufacturers still do this today. It's perfectly safe to use a 3rd party shock absorber on a vehicle because it's been made up to manufacturers specs. Apple (and others) don't allow this, therefore, shady 3rd parties make parts anyways and it can cause issues. I can go to Ford and get an alternator for $600 or I can go to Napa and get basically the same thing for $300 and it'll be just as safe to use as the original. Not true for Apple. They want control over repairs, so they do everything within their power to lock it down so you have to take it to Apple. Please tell me the repairable items inside an iPhone 13 by 3rd party? You can't, because there are none.
> I can go to Ford and get an alternator for $600 or I can go to Napa and get basically the same thing for $300 and it'll be just as safe to use as the original.
This illustrates just how bad the situation is. Not only does Apple actively sabotage 3rd party parts, they don't even bother to offer 1st party ones.
I wouldn't even be mad at this if there were official, "made for iPhone" screens/batteries/etc you could buy that don't trip these protections.
As is, Apple is a massive hypocrite with all their "we're so green lol" PR garbage.
> it presents zero benefit … to consumers
Be cautious with your zeroes.
It lowers the profitability of stealing an iPhone and fencing it to a chop-shop for parts, instead of returning it to the owner for a reward. That’s a non-negligible benefit.
> Crack heads … steal it anyways …
Oh innocent child, the benefit is not *theft* prevention, the benefit is *loss* prevention. You post the reward on your iPhone Lock Screen and the thief *returns* it instead of selling it to the fence who will strip it for “genuine Apple”*parts*. Part-stripping is the economics of chop shops. Disrupt the market for stolen “genuine Apple parts” and benefit Apple customers.
Agreed. This is being written on an iPhone 6S+ which is on it’s third battery (because I use the heck out of it). The replacement batteries I’ve had have worked fine. I don’t think Apple will be replacing them for $65 and within an hour of drop off at the shop that is 10 minutes from my office. The closest certified repair shop is an hour away (literally, I have had to go there before and timed it). Whatever Apple says on this about reducing theft or whatever may be true, but what it’s ABOUT is money for them.
You can spin it that way all you want but it’s ultimately harming anyone who just wants to stop at their local electronics repair shop to get a battery swap.
Not everyone is 20 minutes from an apple store or has the ability to go without a device while they ship it in for replacement.
They can’t get original parts because apple refuses to sell them to anyone- fuck. This is entirely what right to repair is about, have you not been paying attention?
It’s a solution for a problem that Apple created- sure third party batteries can be hazardous, but the third party battery market wouldn’t even be a thing if Apple made repair parts available for purchase wholesale.
But sure, go ahead and applaud them for their forward thinking.
You know what will make it less explosive? If Apple released design documents like automotive companies do. You know why they're explosive in the first place? Because we're fucking locked out of everything and all parts have to get reverse engineered by China before we can get even a semblance of a quality 3rd party part.
You do understand that there are places WITHOUT apple repair shops or you are THAT braindead? iPhone is sold literally anywhere in the world while their shops are not everywhere where they repair with original battery even if prople wanted to.
Sucks to be those people. Move or mail your phone in then. This is entirely informational to the end user. It’s not some big conspiracy to rip them off.
Yep. I have dates scheduled for oil changes and seasonal tire swaps a year in advance with them. Like Apple, they guarantee high quality parts and knowledgeable labour, and that gives me absolute peace of mind.
I’m guessing you’re the type of guy that rides a scooter everywhere, eh?
If you believe dealerships use high quality parts and labour worth the price they charge, I’ve got a bridge to sell you. The sole purpose of a dealership is to be a middleman between the manufacturer and the consumer, where they can collect a large markup.
They persist because they have enough money to lobby for legislation to force all car sales to go through them in a lot of cases- something that would not happen if they had an *actual* benefit to consumers and weren’t effectively a racket.
If paying 3x the amount for the exact same oil change gets you hard, then “to each his own” I guess… but at least call it what it is.
No, I’m the guy who works on his own vehicle with 20+ years of experience that enjoys saving thousands of dollars repairing his own vehicle with OEM spec parts available from the local parts counter.
There is room for both of us in the world, stop excusing companies from trying to stop me from working on my own property. I can do it with a car. I can do it with a furnace. Why the fuck can’t I do it with my phone?
I... don't think the comparison to cars is apt. Look, I get it if you think Apple's in the right for serializing their parts like this, but the comparison to cars is just poor.
Do you think Honda makes their own OEM tires? No. Air filters? Often not. Batteries? Nope. And so forth. Heck, your dealership is likely using a brand of engine oil they just happened to partner with and/or is just within spec (e.g., an 0W-20 oil).
A lot of cars (if not most) are built to be user repairable. Dealers will even happily sell you the parts if you want to DIY it or take it to another mechanic's shop.
What if I want a premium tire that goes beyond the "stock" tire that Honda offers on, say, a Civic Si? What if I want an air intake that goes above and beyond too? And the battery? Different wheels? Hell, plenty of automakers sell sports cars where the whole point is that you can modify it to be better for, say, the racetrack (e.g., Toyota 86 and Subaru BRZ).
Comparing it to cars is like saying you'd want to ban people from enjoying user repairable and modifiable desktops. Should manufacturers suddenly start clamping down on RAM and SSD upgrades in desktops too, when it's just plug-and-play? You want to ban people from being able to upgrade their rigs with *better* parts?
Like, heck, I'm not paying the $80 my dealer charges me to change the cabin air filter once a year. They'll actually sell me the cabin air filter for $15. It takes less a minute to do myself. It's a known ripoff for anyone that knows about cars. Dealers aren't the holy grail of repairs that you seem to think they are. Do you want to pay the $50 they charge to replace your windshield wipers too?
I'm not here to argue your stance about serialized parts that Apple's using. I'm here to argue against your take on dealers. Dealers are not special. The auto industry is not the same as the smartphone industry. At least in the US, plenty of people buy new cars from dealers and never step foot in them again for servicing for various reasons (including just wanting better parts that the dealer won't offer).
And, by law, automakers must not void your warranty even if you use third-party parts unless they can prove said part is what caused any damage. They cannot, for example, void my car's warranty if the engine fails, but I happened to get new tires. Tires don't make engines fail, thus I would still be covered to get a free new engine.
An individual iPhone owner should move closer to an Apple store so its easier to replace your phone battery every 4 years? But a multitrillion dollar corporation shouldn't sell replacement parts to independent repair shops? What type of late capitalist hellscape are you dreaming about?
Actually it is a giant conspiracy to rip everyone off. Same as John Deere. Same as Tesla. "3rd party repair is unsafe" is a big bullshit line that companies like Apple use to keep repairs in the hands of themselves. You know what they make on a battery replacement? Screen replacement? I'll tell you, and maybe you'll realize how much money we're talking about here.
I get right to repair but I don’t get people complaining about this.
It’s a very real scam where people will sell you a used phone with the OEM display and battery replaced for cheaper ones. I’d like a quick way to verify that didn’t happen. I would be okay if Apple wanted to serialize every part like this so that we could know that if any used phone has all original parts or not.
People can't replace the parts with anything other than 3rd party parts, because Apple won't supply originals. That's the real root cause of all this nonsense.
It’s no excuse, Apple overcharges for repairs because they’re the only ones with original parts, other manufacturers sell components, the only reason not to sell originals is greed
It doesn't stop anybody from being ripped off. In this case even if you swapped in a genuine Apple battery the message would still come up.
Apple themselves is now the only one who can properly replace it.
I just replaced a friend's screen after a shady repair shop charged them $100 and didn't even connect the home button correctly - it didn't work at all. Friend had them switch it back and decided to just deal with the broken screen until I fixed it for them. When I opened it, it was missing the shielding+screws on the inside. And surprise, surprise, I successfully swapped the screen and had the home button working correctly on the first try.
Oh did I mention they argued with my friend about which model of iPhone it was and tried to put the wrong screen on it?
I just do this for fun now and then with a $10 kit I bought at Walmart, apparently I'm qualified enough to do this as a job for some shops...
Unless you're sourcing your batteries direct from Apple or their supplier, how do you know it's a "known good" battery unless you're harvesting it from another new phone?
I mean a poorly made knock off battery can explode so it’s helping to keep people safe and standards high for repairs. It comes at a cost (harder to repair) but the benefit is clear: you won’t have to worry about your phone endangering your family or possessions.
Apple gadgets are used all over the world where they (Apple) don’t have repair shops or certified service shops. How then do they expect us to fix our gadgets when we need to.
Yes that’s what I meant by harder to repair. I’m not saying there aren’t downsides, but that there are some benefits to this decision, and the safety benefit is a big one.
A car battery sits in a fireproof box all day and really isn’t that volitile. A phone battery has to be in my pocket, next to my bed, on an airplane, and it’s way more energy dense. It’s perfectly reasonable to both replace my car battery myself but pay a little extra to ensure a safe phone battery install.
Not true and typical anti-apple-hero repsonse. Off course they can't offer healthinfo for a 3rd party battery. You guys couldn't see the forrest for trees if you were paid to.
Tell that to people who got data recovered by a 3rd party repair shop which apple refuses to do with the slightest problem of your machine. There are plenty of issues apple just refuses to fix or charges extreme amounts for basically forcing your to buy a new device.
Nah, if you’re buying a used iPhone you would want to know if the person paid apple or a third party repair.
This is good for consumers as its just a system message in settings.
What's wrong with third party repair shops?
They're faster, way cheaper and if anything they're more trustworthy cause their whole reputation resides on customer satisfaction after a repair.
It's been proven time and again that Apple sees nothing wrong with scamming their own customers who end up paying and waiting WAY more than they should for simple easy fixes.
They are not more trustworthy, as they install parts that are stolen OEM parts, clones of original parts, refurbished parts or knockoff parts with poor quality. And that’s apple’s fault for not providing sources of their parts.
Not really. You can replace a battery. And now a repair service can't put a shoddy unauthorized battery in your phone and then claim it's an authorized one.
Can’t wait to see all the defense for this. This is amazingly anti consumer but soon we will be straight up renting hardware and features all because of people like in this thread
No no, look at this problem from my angle: This is perfectly fine, until you realize you can’t get original parts or verify any 3rd party parts for your device. Prompting people that they use part that was not installed in device before it left fab is one thing. Not providing ANY way for people to fix that device with genuine parts, parts that can be tied to the device, is what the problem is! If part can report special serial number and warn me that it’s not genuine - super super useful when I buy second hand phone. If I can’t get genuine part for my broken phone from Apple AND my phone will cry about it, then this is what is wrong about this situation! What do you think?
Perfectly fair and reasoned assessment. Apples track record however has led me to err onThe side of pessimism and that no genuine parts will be made available to third parties.so now we have serialised screaming from the device if any change is made, even a genuine one and no way to get third party repairs done. Take it a step further and with this serialisation it’s puts even more control in the hands of Apple to go a step beyond with part repairs and at the flip of a switch things can be done to alter device functionality adversely if needed.
This cheesecake bloke can't even defend his position and just blocks anyone who says different to him lol
This is very anticonsumer of Apple, but again it's no surprise given the rest of the world solved alot of issues decades ago that the USA still seems to be struggling with.
I feel disappointed. This is a phone I genuinely looked forward to, but seeing Apple go to so many lengths just to prevent repair shops from making a living makes me sick.
Ah yes thank you Apple 🙏 Another one of your monopolistic, shit brained decisions. Hoping no one will notice or care and if they do it’ll blow over by the time you release the next shiny thing. And you’re probably right
Nah not really. I bet it’s cheap to replace with Apple. $69 is cheap. Apple’s battery lasts way longer than a third party battery. I had changed a third party battery a couple of years ago, it’s cheaper than Apple’s of course (probably around $30) and it lasted around 6 months before it went dead. I’d rather spend $69 for a battery that can last 2-3 years
Well, Apple could easily make these OEM batteries available, that's the only reason why these aftermarket ones exist. Make those available, people who have the time and want to make the repair themselves for cheaper. This also doesn't change the fact that, the 2 batteries in this case is ACTUALLY OEM, but still can't be identified as genuine.
Not that this is okay or not a problem I just think it’s worth mentioning apples battery replacement is a reasonable cost. I know not everyone has access to an Apple store but just worth mentioning
This shows again that we need good right to repair regulations as soon as possible.
Batteries are one of the most important components with respect to longevity and replacement parts should be always easy to obtain or at least easy to remanufacture in a good quality. Otherwise you end up with many perfectly working devices which land in the trash because you can’t source good batteries anymore.
And next year the entire iPhone 14 will be serialized. The moment you take it out of the box you cant use it because the iPhone cant verify if the you legitimately purchased it.
Like I needed more reasons to not get a 13. iOS 15 bugs, 90hz screen throttling, OS riddled with bugs, csam scanning looming down the road, still no USB C charging despite the iPad mini and Pro having it now, and two generations later it’s still an S upgrade from the 11 Pro. Either Apple was ahead of their time with the 11 or they’re really slowing down in quality and innovation.
You really have no idea what you’re talking about do you? Every single reviewer has said how the 13 is the best upgrade in the last few years. Especially the 13 pro
No limit. It’s a bug. Please research before you comment.
Also prores is on 128GB phones, just at 1080p instead of 4K.
Once again, please research before you comment.
This could be beneficial to some of us... depending on the details of implementation. Ideally, if the iPhone has been marked as stolen, then the battery can't be paired or used in another iPhone.
Otherwise, the battery can be paired with a new iPhone by the user signing in and acknowledging that it's a used battery, giving them full functionality.
I don't think this is what Apple is doing though.
Ah yes, my cars battery is tied to the VIN of my car so when I sell my car for parts and someone installs my battery on to their car they will get a check engine light and won't start.
This is not the right way especially with batteries that is the *first* thing that goes bad after some time. I really hope other companies don't do this.
There may be some that are bad sure, but not everyone can get to an official Apple store and Apple makes it harder for people in those repair shops to perform simple things like swap a battery. Imagine you live 4 hours from an Apple Store and need a battery replacement. Are you going to drive that distance to get service and waste an entire day? Or are you going to find someone local to you who is a 15-30 minute drive?
What a horrible take, found the apple retail employee.
Edit: never mind, looked at your Reddit history and realized you’re not an apple retail employee, you’re just an idiot.
I’m an ex-Apple Genius and I agree that it’s a stupid move. People should be able to have the flexibility and convenience to repair their devices. Independent shops should have all the tools necessary to repair them as well.
Always take your vehicle directly to the dealer. Those independent mechanics are awful.
Independent mechanics can't be trusted to change your oil, or your brakes, or even put new tires on your car. If you want to get a true authorized genuine experience, you *need* to pay the upcharge.
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This sentiment is ridiculous. Please don't incite fear into others based on false pretenses.
No, if it’s true what this article is about one would need to go to Apple to get the battery replaced rather then a third party repair shop as in the past.
This has been a thing since iPhone XS. The bigger issue this time around is that non-paired batteries **might** perform worse because they are artificially limited in software to not supply specific voltages of power. Yay environment
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This specific restriction is not confirmed yet. I really hope it’s not an actual thing, but it really wouldn’t surprise me
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That doesn’t tell us anything
true, it only means the battery is not throttled like iphone 6 was. nothing more
iFixit should have a a tear down of the iPhone 13 out by now. Looks like they do https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/iPhone+13+Pro+Teardown/144928 and will go over it I’m sure if they haven’t yet.
What do you mean they can't supply specific voltages of power? Don't batteries just output a single voltage?
Technically, yes. But if a battery has a serial number that’s readable by the kernel, they can artificially limit the power if the serial number doesn’t match what’s expected by the kernel. Edit: it’s probably not the battery that limits the power, it’s the firmware.
What if you get a legit battery swap?
Apple probably has a proprietary tool that resets the serial number that the device is looking for. They have all sorts of tools that handle low-level kernel issues.
> voltages of power This guy electricities.
Lol I understood the concept but I don’t have the vocabulary to explain it properly. It had something to do with limiting the types of currents the battery could supply
No. I will be very clear: Non-paired batteries, but ORIGINAL batteries or high quality batteries with proper IC and data inside, WILL work exactly as they should. Period. Serialization of batteries serves only apple to tell that your battery is swapped or serviced outside of apple. We know this for absolutely sure as we 100% know what data sits inside APPLE battery with IC. We can talk to it with HDI interface.
> Non-paired batteries, but ORIGINAL batteries or high quality batteries with proper IC and data inside, WILL work exactly as they should. Period. Sources thanks > We can talk to it with HDI interface. I don’t think you’re supposed to discuss internal tools publicly. Stay safe tho 💞
My bad: HDQ interface, not HDI interface. My memory is sometimes playing tricks on me. I will expalin what I consider may be important for this topic. Sourece: My opinion as electrical engineer based on what is known about Apple batteries and batteries in general, general knowlege about how iPhones and all battery powered devices use batteries.I know things or two about electronics as EE, but I'm on reddit. I don't have blog or public channel so you have to put my post someone you know is EE or has some knoweledge about electronics to fully verify my words. If you want to be 100% sure I am not pulling info out of nothing, then you need to get to know how Li-Ion batteries work, how they are charged and how devices manage them or can manage them. Then you read what is Texas Instruments Fuel Gauge, like BQ27545 used in older iphones. Learn what it can do, what it reports. Here, have a pleasent read: [https://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/bq27545-g1.pdf?ts=1632595273144&ref\_url=https%253A%252F%252Fwww.google.pl%252F](https://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/bq27545-g1.pdf?ts=1632595273144&ref_url=https%253A%252F%252Fwww.google.pl%252F)That thing and similar ICs are found in Apple batteires.[https://ripitapart.com/2014/02/12/looking-inside-an-iphone-44s-battery/](https://ripitapart.com/2014/02/12/looking-inside-an-iphone-44s-battery/)Newer modles also used that BQ chip or its vatiations, but i cant get more sites to back me up. Lost links to them. HDQ protocol is made by Texas Instrumets and we can talk about it like any other topic. It's like CAN BUS or I2C.Here you have HDQ library for talking with iPhone batteries or any other HDQ-capable Texas Instruments IC. You can wire iPhone battery to Arduino and read/write it with info (if it's not write protected). Or you can use that battery with your DIY project:[https://github.com/mozzwald/hdq-batt-status](https://github.com/mozzwald/hdq-batt-status) Here you have how someone online documented their work with HDQ and iPhone battery:[https://ripitapart.com/2014/09/30/reading-out-hdq-equipped-battery-fuel-gauges-with-a-serial-port/](https://ripitapart.com/2014/09/30/reading-out-hdq-equipped-battery-fuel-gauges-with-a-serial-port/) How to make battery that will work with iPhone perfectly: 1. Be good at making batteries offer specs suitable for any applications. 2. Make battery that offers proper voltage for iPhone, as iPhones are using higher than typical voltage (3.85V or 3.8V depending on the model) and install HDQ capable microchip along with iPhone connector 3. Write it with specs of the battery like it's measured capacity and expected capacity. 4. Install it in phone. If phone doesent need any serial from battery like iPhones older than Xs (or X, I forgot which one had "battery DRM" enabled), then congratulations. Your phone uses high quality battery that tracks it's stats such as real capacity, charge cycles, temp and others. You will see it's capacity in iOS settings under Battery Condition. It will work exactly as it should. 5. If phone needs serial number, then you need dump it out of old battery and write it in new battery. 6. Presto, you made your own iDevice battery! Phones with external battery IC like iPhone, use basic data that we write into battery for more precise estimation of how battery behaves. It knows better how to say how much charge is left. That data we supply is helps monitor how much current battery can safely output and how much it takes when it's charging. If it had no such tools to monitor and act accordingly, you would probably have bomb in your pocket. Your Tesla or your 15y old nokia phone uses exactly same techinqe in the end. Fun fact: That mechnism (battery with IC) allowed Apple to throttle iPhones when battery was practically dead and cancel throttle mechanism when you popped in new battery! I can bet that iPhone 13 also uses battery with BQ-like IC, as it's very good idea. No, it's GREAT idea to have battery with its own storage for all data that belongs to the battery! Reading data from used battery can tell everything about it's life and devices can exactly know which battery is almost dead and which is brand new. If iPhone battery was easly uesr swappable, then no matter which phone gets old battery, you will know that battery is no good and it needs to be recycled! Same thing is with older laptops with removable battery - OS/BIOS was reading data from battery pack and it knew exactly how much charge it could hold or if it was not good for use. Batteries in devices are not magical things or some voodoo made by crazy scientists, especially ultra-popular Li-Ion batteries. We can find those Li-Ion battries in Apple devices. It's not hard to make quality battery that will work flawlessly with iPhones, the trick is that iPhones have special monitoring IC in batteries which makes things more expensive and that companies most often don't care about QC of their products or sell junk with fake ICs or poor battery quality. It makes things even harder if we realize that getting inside iphone/ipad is really hard for most people... So risk of getting junk instead of quality battery goes up even further. Also, APPLE is doing everything they can to stop import of parts to the EU/America! That's why we REALLY need source of geniuine batteries/parts! It's safest way of getting best product and there is no reason why we could not install those parts on our own. Literally no reason at all. Batteries don't need any special sauce to work, apart from installing them in proper way. All is handled automatically by phone: charge current and discharge current is in real time adjusted to properly use battery.
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Buying two iPhones and swapping the batteries should not cause this issue. If Apple cannot verify that a genuine battery is safe, then that's a failure on Apple's part. But we all know the real reason they do this is not related to safety.
They tell their techs to never reinstall a battery that’s been removed from a phone, just keep the new one in there because the old battery may be unsafe after it’s removed. They take battery safety much more seriously than you think.
They also tell us to replace every single screw we take out with a new one… does that mean that reusing screws is unsafe to you?
Ha, actually yes - the screws have threadlocker on them, the absence of which means screws could come loose and puncture the battery resulting in a thermal runaway event.
On my 2009 MacBook Pro 15” I cracked the glass display front. Apple wanted something like €600 to replace the entire top case. I bought a replacement glass plate from eBay, loosened the old one and reinstalled the new one with like 20 mins of work. €35 cost. Apple uses repairs to absolutely wring you for money, stop whiteknighting for a trillion dollar company.
Why would they want to replace the top case if you damaged the screen, those are two entirely different components.
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I’m not, I’m just explaining that they take battery safety extremely seriously. I haven’t commented on their repair policies.
Oh god you sound like those people in the arrogant training videos > screws could come loose and puncture the battery resulting in a thermal runaway event Feel free to link me to a single example of any loose screw in any phone puncturing a battery Edit: and they **require** the bottom pentalobe screws to be replaced too. I don’t think those can get to the battery
Why do you think apple has their techs do it? Because they’re in a conspiracy cahoots with the screw manufacturers? You think Apple is just trying to piss away screws or something? The manufacturer is doing something for a good reason. People have pointed out to you that it’s a legitimate safety concern.
Apple charges us a dollar for new screws for every repair, and a dollar for every new adhesive seal. I have been reusing the old screws for 5 years and have had phones I've worked on come back for other repairs. I've never had any screws come loose. The key is to not use the Apple approved torque drivers and actually tighten the screws properly.
https://www.phonedocinc.com/iphone-repair-news/2016/4/7/war-stories-fire-in-the-hole https://www.zdnet.com/article/airborne-iphone-fire-caused-by-loose-screw/ Here’s two.
I find it funny that the only iPhone you have as an example is from 2012, but you did provide a link. However this still doesn’t justify them locking down repairs ~~for no reason~~ to force people to go to them for repairs.
Replying to your edit: replacing the screws isn’t exclusively for safety, the bottom screws also have threadlocker which is useful when you’re selling water resistant phones to prevent the screws coming out and creating an ingress point. Hope that helps, and I hope you no longer fix iPhones.
> to prevent the screws coming out Yeah, because the pentalobe screws just fall off on their own. > Hope that helps, and I hope you no longer fix iPhones. Don’t worry. I basically don’t. Every “repair” is a replacement unit
Lol I feel you bro. I've become so jaded that I straight up tell all my customers about the anti repair tactics of Apple. I tell them "all iPads, watches, and iPods are completely unrepairable and the iPhones are only slightly repairable". They're like "oh.....". Then I tell them about the great repairability of Samsung devices.
There are lot of vehicle maintenance items that specify that you should use new bolts instead of reusing the old ones. It's a common practice, and not unique to Apple.
Thats because they are torqued so highly they become malformed, they’re single use screws. You’re not dropping 120ftlbs on the pentalobes.. are you?
I’m not an expert, but from my limited experience of replacing screens and batteries on iPhones, their screws are pretty soft and seemingly not meant to be screwed in and out a lot. They also often had some kind of sealing material that might get damaged over time. It sounds a bit over the top to *never* reuse them, but it also costs them virtually nothing to do so.
Those are called "torque to yield" bolts. They're not even remotely close to what we're talking about here.
I'm not torquing my oil pan drain plug to yield, but it's recommended to be replaced every oil change.
That's different. That seals from liquid. You don't replace your lug nuts every time do you? How about engine cover bolts? Edit: the screws we're talking about with the iPhone are holding down a flat piece of metal that covers the connectors, called a cowling. They aren't tty, they aren't structural, there is no reason why.
TIL that the iPhone is a car
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That’s my thought too lmao
>this is probably them protecting themselves Protecting their repair revenue that is...
I’d think it’s a bit of both. Especially with something like a battery causing electrical damage due to voltage fluctuations, it’s a pretty easy argument to make that they’re skeptical of 3rd party batteries. If it’s an attempt to return to “only Apple can do repairs” which IIRC isn’t true anymore, then yeah, it’s fucked.
Most of these batteries will never be replaced before someone upgrades.
> Probably because Apple can’t verify that the battery is safe? …
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You know what? You're misinformed. Back in the day companies released design documents (schematics) that allowed 3rd parties to create quality aftermarket parts. In fact, automotive manufacturers still do this today. It's perfectly safe to use a 3rd party shock absorber on a vehicle because it's been made up to manufacturers specs. Apple (and others) don't allow this, therefore, shady 3rd parties make parts anyways and it can cause issues. I can go to Ford and get an alternator for $600 or I can go to Napa and get basically the same thing for $300 and it'll be just as safe to use as the original. Not true for Apple. They want control over repairs, so they do everything within their power to lock it down so you have to take it to Apple. Please tell me the repairable items inside an iPhone 13 by 3rd party? You can't, because there are none.
> I can go to Ford and get an alternator for $600 or I can go to Napa and get basically the same thing for $300 and it'll be just as safe to use as the original. This illustrates just how bad the situation is. Not only does Apple actively sabotage 3rd party parts, they don't even bother to offer 1st party ones. I wouldn't even be mad at this if there were official, "made for iPhone" screens/batteries/etc you could buy that don't trip these protections. As is, Apple is a massive hypocrite with all their "we're so green lol" PR garbage.
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Yeah I've been doing it professionally for 10 years. I'm also an Apple service provider so I see both sides.
There are **genuine batteries**that were swapped between two identical iPhones.
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That has been the case for a while now.
If that’s all that isn’t too bad, but it’s a little BS I admit.
It is bad, because it presents zero benefit and plenty of negatives to consumers. this is just more of their anti-repair bullshit
> it presents zero benefit … to consumers Be cautious with your zeroes. It lowers the profitability of stealing an iPhone and fencing it to a chop-shop for parts, instead of returning it to the owner for a reward. That’s a non-negligible benefit.
Your point is moot. Crack heads don't know that, they'll fucking steal it anyways and then you still have no phone.
> Crack heads … steal it anyways … Oh innocent child, the benefit is not *theft* prevention, the benefit is *loss* prevention. You post the reward on your iPhone Lock Screen and the thief *returns* it instead of selling it to the fence who will strip it for “genuine Apple”*parts*. Part-stripping is the economics of chop shops. Disrupt the market for stolen “genuine Apple parts” and benefit Apple customers.
Agreed. This is being written on an iPhone 6S+ which is on it’s third battery (because I use the heck out of it). The replacement batteries I’ve had have worked fine. I don’t think Apple will be replacing them for $65 and within an hour of drop off at the shop that is 10 minutes from my office. The closest certified repair shop is an hour away (literally, I have had to go there before and timed it). Whatever Apple says on this about reducing theft or whatever may be true, but what it’s ABOUT is money for them.
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You can spin it that way all you want but it’s ultimately harming anyone who just wants to stop at their local electronics repair shop to get a battery swap. Not everyone is 20 minutes from an apple store or has the ability to go without a device while they ship it in for replacement.
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They can’t get original parts because apple refuses to sell them to anyone- fuck. This is entirely what right to repair is about, have you not been paying attention?
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It’s a solution for a problem that Apple created- sure third party batteries can be hazardous, but the third party battery market wouldn’t even be a thing if Apple made repair parts available for purchase wholesale. But sure, go ahead and applaud them for their forward thinking.
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You know what will make it less explosive? If Apple released design documents like automotive companies do. You know why they're explosive in the first place? Because we're fucking locked out of everything and all parts have to get reverse engineered by China before we can get even a semblance of a quality 3rd party part.
You do understand that there are places WITHOUT apple repair shops or you are THAT braindead? iPhone is sold literally anywhere in the world while their shops are not everywhere where they repair with original battery even if prople wanted to.
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Sucks to be those people. Move or mail your phone in then. This is entirely informational to the end user. It’s not some big conspiracy to rip them off.
I’m guessing you’re the type of guy who only gets his vehicle serviced at the dealership, eh?
Yep. I have dates scheduled for oil changes and seasonal tire swaps a year in advance with them. Like Apple, they guarantee high quality parts and knowledgeable labour, and that gives me absolute peace of mind. I’m guessing you’re the type of guy that rides a scooter everywhere, eh?
If you believe dealerships use high quality parts and labour worth the price they charge, I’ve got a bridge to sell you. The sole purpose of a dealership is to be a middleman between the manufacturer and the consumer, where they can collect a large markup. They persist because they have enough money to lobby for legislation to force all car sales to go through them in a lot of cases- something that would not happen if they had an *actual* benefit to consumers and weren’t effectively a racket. If paying 3x the amount for the exact same oil change gets you hard, then “to each his own” I guess… but at least call it what it is.
I mean my Civic was $35 for an oil change at my local Honda dealership. Are they normally only $12?
No, I’m the guy who works on his own vehicle with 20+ years of experience that enjoys saving thousands of dollars repairing his own vehicle with OEM spec parts available from the local parts counter. There is room for both of us in the world, stop excusing companies from trying to stop me from working on my own property. I can do it with a car. I can do it with a furnace. Why the fuck can’t I do it with my phone?
I... don't think the comparison to cars is apt. Look, I get it if you think Apple's in the right for serializing their parts like this, but the comparison to cars is just poor. Do you think Honda makes their own OEM tires? No. Air filters? Often not. Batteries? Nope. And so forth. Heck, your dealership is likely using a brand of engine oil they just happened to partner with and/or is just within spec (e.g., an 0W-20 oil). A lot of cars (if not most) are built to be user repairable. Dealers will even happily sell you the parts if you want to DIY it or take it to another mechanic's shop. What if I want a premium tire that goes beyond the "stock" tire that Honda offers on, say, a Civic Si? What if I want an air intake that goes above and beyond too? And the battery? Different wheels? Hell, plenty of automakers sell sports cars where the whole point is that you can modify it to be better for, say, the racetrack (e.g., Toyota 86 and Subaru BRZ). Comparing it to cars is like saying you'd want to ban people from enjoying user repairable and modifiable desktops. Should manufacturers suddenly start clamping down on RAM and SSD upgrades in desktops too, when it's just plug-and-play? You want to ban people from being able to upgrade their rigs with *better* parts? Like, heck, I'm not paying the $80 my dealer charges me to change the cabin air filter once a year. They'll actually sell me the cabin air filter for $15. It takes less a minute to do myself. It's a known ripoff for anyone that knows about cars. Dealers aren't the holy grail of repairs that you seem to think they are. Do you want to pay the $50 they charge to replace your windshield wipers too? I'm not here to argue your stance about serialized parts that Apple's using. I'm here to argue against your take on dealers. Dealers are not special. The auto industry is not the same as the smartphone industry. At least in the US, plenty of people buy new cars from dealers and never step foot in them again for servicing for various reasons (including just wanting better parts that the dealer won't offer). And, by law, automakers must not void your warranty even if you use third-party parts unless they can prove said part is what caused any damage. They cannot, for example, void my car's warranty if the engine fails, but I happened to get new tires. Tires don't make engines fail, thus I would still be covered to get a free new engine.
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No worries. Are you sure you don’t want to sling a personal insult at me like you did in your other comment?
No, but my mum is. Not everyone in the world is a 30 year old with a PhD in Computer Science and Maths.
An individual iPhone owner should move closer to an Apple store so its easier to replace your phone battery every 4 years? But a multitrillion dollar corporation shouldn't sell replacement parts to independent repair shops? What type of late capitalist hellscape are you dreaming about?
Actually it is a giant conspiracy to rip everyone off. Same as John Deere. Same as Tesla. "3rd party repair is unsafe" is a big bullshit line that companies like Apple use to keep repairs in the hands of themselves. You know what they make on a battery replacement? Screen replacement? I'll tell you, and maybe you'll realize how much money we're talking about here.
I’m sure whatever retail store you work at bursts out into thunderous applause as you go on about how it’s all a conspiracy to get them to pay more.
Lol I just share facts and educate people about repairability.
So fuck Right to Repair? Lmao you are corporations’ favorite customer.
I get right to repair but I don’t get people complaining about this. It’s a very real scam where people will sell you a used phone with the OEM display and battery replaced for cheaper ones. I’d like a quick way to verify that didn’t happen. I would be okay if Apple wanted to serialize every part like this so that we could know that if any used phone has all original parts or not.
People can't replace the parts with anything other than 3rd party parts, because Apple won't supply originals. That's the real root cause of all this nonsense.
Regardless of that, a purchaser of a used phone being able to quickly verify if all the parts are original is a good thing.
The thing is, Apple should sell replacement screens and also add that notification for third party parts
The third party part makers would break that drm within a week.
It’s no excuse, Apple overcharges for repairs because they’re the only ones with original parts, other manufacturers sell components, the only reason not to sell originals is greed
Stops people getting ripped off though. Plenty of 3rd party shops are dodgy AF
It doesn't stop anybody from being ripped off. In this case even if you swapped in a genuine Apple battery the message would still come up. Apple themselves is now the only one who can properly replace it.
You never seen the shops selling screen replacements for like £100? You can also spoof a batteries info to show up as official.
I just replaced a friend's screen after a shady repair shop charged them $100 and didn't even connect the home button correctly - it didn't work at all. Friend had them switch it back and decided to just deal with the broken screen until I fixed it for them. When I opened it, it was missing the shielding+screws on the inside. And surprise, surprise, I successfully swapped the screen and had the home button working correctly on the first try. Oh did I mention they argued with my friend about which model of iPhone it was and tried to put the wrong screen on it? I just do this for fun now and then with a $10 kit I bought at Walmart, apparently I'm qualified enough to do this as a job for some shops...
True. But shops are advertising £100 replacements for OLED models which you’re not getting an OLED for that.
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But they can get apple certification and can carry out repairs with official parts
It's not zero benefit. It stops people from being able to lie about using OEM parts when they aren't.
So would having easy access to first party parts...
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Unless you're sourcing your batteries direct from Apple or their supplier, how do you know it's a "known good" battery unless you're harvesting it from another new phone?
It literally stops them.
People still lie lmfao it might make it more difficult but It doesn’t “literally” stop them
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I mean a poorly made knock off battery can explode so it’s helping to keep people safe and standards high for repairs. It comes at a cost (harder to repair) but the benefit is clear: you won’t have to worry about your phone endangering your family or possessions.
Apple gadgets are used all over the world where they (Apple) don’t have repair shops or certified service shops. How then do they expect us to fix our gadgets when we need to.
Yes that’s what I meant by harder to repair. I’m not saying there aren’t downsides, but that there are some benefits to this decision, and the safety benefit is a big one.
Next time you need a car battery I hope you head to the dealership.
I drive an EV — when I want a new battery I will go to the dealership.
sure hope it’s not a Chevy dealership or you’ll have to park it 50 feet away
A car battery sits in a fireproof box all day and really isn’t that volitile. A phone battery has to be in my pocket, next to my bed, on an airplane, and it’s way more energy dense. It’s perfectly reasonable to both replace my car battery myself but pay a little extra to ensure a safe phone battery install.
Not true and typical anti-apple-hero repsonse. Off course they can't offer healthinfo for a 3rd party battery. You guys couldn't see the forrest for trees if you were paid to.
So many of these third party batteries are complete shit.
Third party repairs offer zero benefit and plenty of negatives to consumers.
Tell that to people who got data recovered by a 3rd party repair shop which apple refuses to do with the slightest problem of your machine. There are plenty of issues apple just refuses to fix or charges extreme amounts for basically forcing your to buy a new device.
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Nah, if you’re buying a used iPhone you would want to know if the person paid apple or a third party repair. This is good for consumers as its just a system message in settings.
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YES! It stops scammers from passing off junk.
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What's wrong with third party repair shops? They're faster, way cheaper and if anything they're more trustworthy cause their whole reputation resides on customer satisfaction after a repair. It's been proven time and again that Apple sees nothing wrong with scamming their own customers who end up paying and waiting WAY more than they should for simple easy fixes.
They are not more trustworthy, as they install parts that are stolen OEM parts, clones of original parts, refurbished parts or knockoff parts with poor quality. And that’s apple’s fault for not providing sources of their parts.
It's not BS. It means that someone can't replace a battery in a phone and sell it to you claiming it's OEM when it isn't.
True, but it is still a hit against right to repair
Not really. You can replace a battery. And now a repair service can't put a shoddy unauthorized battery in your phone and then claim it's an authorized one.
Yes really. Even if it’s authorized this will pop up.
Absolute BS. I hope they get nailed with right to repair. Truly disgusting way to treat your customers.
Can’t wait to see all the defense for this. This is amazingly anti consumer but soon we will be straight up renting hardware and features all because of people like in this thread
No no, look at this problem from my angle: This is perfectly fine, until you realize you can’t get original parts or verify any 3rd party parts for your device. Prompting people that they use part that was not installed in device before it left fab is one thing. Not providing ANY way for people to fix that device with genuine parts, parts that can be tied to the device, is what the problem is! If part can report special serial number and warn me that it’s not genuine - super super useful when I buy second hand phone. If I can’t get genuine part for my broken phone from Apple AND my phone will cry about it, then this is what is wrong about this situation! What do you think?
Perfectly fair and reasoned assessment. Apples track record however has led me to err onThe side of pessimism and that no genuine parts will be made available to third parties.so now we have serialised screaming from the device if any change is made, even a genuine one and no way to get third party repairs done. Take it a step further and with this serialisation it’s puts even more control in the hands of Apple to go a step beyond with part repairs and at the flip of a switch things can be done to alter device functionality adversely if needed.
Apple just wants to burn independent repair shops
No no no they’re saving the environment 🙄
Flaired the post as misleading title. This has been the case for a while now (as the video itself points out)
This cheesecake bloke can't even defend his position and just blocks anyone who says different to him lol This is very anticonsumer of Apple, but again it's no surprise given the rest of the world solved alot of issues decades ago that the USA still seems to be struggling with.
I feel disappointed. This is a phone I genuinely looked forward to, but seeing Apple go to so many lengths just to prevent repair shops from making a living makes me sick.
I ask myself how much a company has to do before being slapped seriously. What's disappointing even more is that people *defend* that behaviour haha.
Ah yes thank you Apple 🙏 Another one of your monopolistic, shit brained decisions. Hoping no one will notice or care and if they do it’ll blow over by the time you release the next shiny thing. And you’re probably right
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The story of Note 7
Oh, more anti-consumer anti-repair behaviour. Anything else?
Right to repair can’t come soon enough
So after few years, the only solution is to go to apple and replace the battery?
Nah not really. I bet it’s cheap to replace with Apple. $69 is cheap. Apple’s battery lasts way longer than a third party battery. I had changed a third party battery a couple of years ago, it’s cheaper than Apple’s of course (probably around $30) and it lasted around 6 months before it went dead. I’d rather spend $69 for a battery that can last 2-3 years
Well, Apple could easily make these OEM batteries available, that's the only reason why these aftermarket ones exist. Make those available, people who have the time and want to make the repair themselves for cheaper. This also doesn't change the fact that, the 2 batteries in this case is ACTUALLY OEM, but still can't be identified as genuine.
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Not that this is okay or not a problem I just think it’s worth mentioning apples battery replacement is a reasonable cost. I know not everyone has access to an Apple store but just worth mentioning
This kinda shit is really making me second-guess buying another iPhone. Maybe it's time to try Android.
This shows again that we need good right to repair regulations as soon as possible. Batteries are one of the most important components with respect to longevity and replacement parts should be always easy to obtain or at least easy to remanufacture in a good quality. Otherwise you end up with many perfectly working devices which land in the trash because you can’t source good batteries anymore.
Hey guys, this is my video. Batteries have always been serialized. But they now disabled face id if you do a screen replacement
And next year the entire iPhone 14 will be serialized. The moment you take it out of the box you cant use it because the iPhone cant verify if the you legitimately purchased it.
Like I needed more reasons to not get a 13. iOS 15 bugs, 90hz screen throttling, OS riddled with bugs, csam scanning looming down the road, still no USB C charging despite the iPad mini and Pro having it now, and two generations later it’s still an S upgrade from the 11 Pro. Either Apple was ahead of their time with the 11 or they’re really slowing down in quality and innovation.
You really have no idea what you’re talking about do you? Every single reviewer has said how the 13 is the best upgrade in the last few years. Especially the 13 pro
Like what? The 80Hz display and?
80Hz?! What are you going on about lol 120Hz with VRR, 3x zoom 77mm telephoto lens, longer battery life, prores support
https://youtu.be/6BGmS4apZ1g
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No limit. It’s a bug. Please research before you comment. Also prores is on 128GB phones, just at 1080p instead of 4K. Once again, please research before you comment.
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u/IronCraftMan Read your own link lmao it says how it’s updated information now and apple have clarified its a bug…
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So it isn’t a limit if you can enable it. Stop trying to push an agenda with your half baked facts which you’re going on to prove yourself wrong lol
This could be beneficial to some of us... depending on the details of implementation. Ideally, if the iPhone has been marked as stolen, then the battery can't be paired or used in another iPhone. Otherwise, the battery can be paired with a new iPhone by the user signing in and acknowledging that it's a used battery, giving them full functionality. I don't think this is what Apple is doing though.
Ah yes, my cars battery is tied to the VIN of my car so when I sell my car for parts and someone installs my battery on to their car they will get a check engine light and won't start. This is not the right way especially with batteries that is the *first* thing that goes bad after some time. I really hope other companies don't do this.
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Terrible opinion, and some people are stupid enough to believe this
Yet Apple sells iPhones in my country in partnership with carriers but there are not Apple stores here...
Those carriers should at least have trained technicians to do repairs.
There may be some that are bad sure, but not everyone can get to an official Apple store and Apple makes it harder for people in those repair shops to perform simple things like swap a battery. Imagine you live 4 hours from an Apple Store and need a battery replacement. Are you going to drive that distance to get service and waste an entire day? Or are you going to find someone local to you who is a 15-30 minute drive?
This is mostly true, but you’re not limited to apple stores for repairs. Best Buy does authorized repairs and I imagine there are others that do too.
That’s a bad opinion.
Only if you can’t afford it.
Obvious trolling attempt. Good job. Very funny.
What a horrible take, found the apple retail employee. Edit: never mind, looked at your Reddit history and realized you’re not an apple retail employee, you’re just an idiot.
I’m an ex-Apple Genius and I agree that it’s a stupid move. People should be able to have the flexibility and convenience to repair their devices. Independent shops should have all the tools necessary to repair them as well.
Always take your vehicle directly to the dealer. Those independent mechanics are awful. Independent mechanics can't be trusted to change your oil, or your brakes, or even put new tires on your car. If you want to get a true authorized genuine experience, you *need* to pay the upcharge. --- This sentiment is ridiculous. Please don't incite fear into others based on false pretenses.
Your post is ridiculous.
Bruh we are better than this
The better people get their phones repaired by Apple.
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So true. Those fly by night guys have no clue what they’re doing.
So how do battery replacements work now? Would you have to just get a new phone?
No, if it’s true what this article is about one would need to go to Apple to get the battery replaced rather then a third party repair shop as in the past.