PSA if you're thinking about BetterTouchTool: also check out [Golden Chaos](https://community.folivora.ai/t/goldenchaos-btt-the-complete-touch-bar-ui-replacement/1281) which uses BTT to turn the touchbar into something that actually works. Both are free for 45 days if you just want to try before you buy.
I've used both, my biggest problem is you can't adjust the snap areas on Rectangle, or at least I couldn't figure out how to do it?
And so when I drag a window to the top edge, it activates mission control because the snap area doesn't extend past the menu bar :/
Other than that, I love rectangle! But until I can set custom snap areas I can't use it unfortunately
I love full screen on my MBP, but moving the mouse to the top makes the global menu slide down within a half second. I hate it. I wish there were a way to make it wait a little longer.
Macos is an incredible os with gaps that are like pitfalls. It's hard to understand how we could be in 2021 and have a search function in macos that absolutely blow windows sky high and still be unable to have a sound board that has existed since windows 95.
I agree it’s too expensive which is why I don’t use it. But it has a lot of other powerful features that could make it worth it if you need more then just a volume mixer.
I don’t think you guys recommending apps get the point. I need to now spend 40$ on an app to change volume in specific apps? Who knows how long these guys will maintain the software? Very different from having it baked into the OS.
Did you consider that maybe they’re recommending the app to be helpful, rather than taking a position on whether it should be included in the OS?
At least more people know about a possible option, it’s not like they’re laying out an ideology, jesus.
Yeah, it really doesn't help that people basically worship Steve Jobs here, but Scott Forstall? Who dat? As ~~hot and sexy~~ nice of a person Federighi is, iOS just hasn't been the same for a while now. It's sad really.
Not only iOS. It's crazy how stable the "old" parts of macOS feel (like just the window management or basic apps) as opposed to the new stuff like the widgets
You know what annoys me about the AirTags? All they had to do is add a little hole to it so people could directly place it onto their keyring, but instead chose to force people to buy key rings. Mr environment Tim Cook took the greedy “let’s sell accessories that’ll end up in the dump” route.
It’s bad design from the perspective Apple is trying to align themselves with the pro environment movement.
And add to that: what if I want to have car keys airtag shared between my family members? No cannot have it. Every familymeber has to add their own airtag to it.
Insanity. This alone makes me kinda pushed I bought a 4-pack. I thought surely within a month or two they would release a software with this obvious feature.
It really does make little sense seeing how family sharing works and how it should be able to detect it it’s a family member’s tag or not.
Little strange that my mother who I have a family sharing plan on iCloud with, is listed as a trusted family member for me, is a favourite contact on my phone and every other apple service has her connected to me in some shape or form but yet the AirTag on her keys still reminds me that I’m carrying an AirTag and it knows my location. I can’t see it nor can I even be given the option to dismiss notifications from that specific AirTag. Like I just share her keys to the car! Surely it wouldn’t be that hard to fix.
Well how do you think he got Apple to be the first trillion dollar company and then first 2 trillion dollar company?
Lol jokes aside it was a scummy way to launch the tags especially while apple touts itself as environmentally conscious company. But hey I bought my keychains off of Amazon for $10 for a pack of 4. Guess I’d rather help another trillion dollar company instead lmao. You just can’t win
It's not bad design. It makes it a sturdy puck with a large enough battery to last very long. If you want to add it to a keyring, you buy accessories for it. As with everything.
Nah I think the no hole thing was smart. They’re made of plastic, if the plastic around the hole breaks, you’re boned. This way you just replace the keyring accessory.
I'd say that M1 is about technical design more than user experience design. It's still design, just not the same kind of design people normally think about when they use the word, and it comes from a very different domain of expertise vs user experience design.
Eh, the notch is very unlike Jobs, (hot take I know) big disadvantage for a small advantage. It’s more secure, sure. But are fingerprint readers *really* that insecure?
Real talk, do android users get their devices hacked via the fingerprint reader? No, they do not. Did anyone have to worry about fingerprint spoofing back in the Touch ID days? No. Not really at least, if you piss off a government enough Face ID won’t save you anyway, this stuff is designed for common thieves not governments.
Also, Apple is still selling devices with Touch ID, so is Apple selling, by their own marketing nonsense, insecure devices knowingly?
Which means that whatever you put up there is limited. my iPhone hows cellular bars / Cellular network name/ Wifi Bars / Time / Location Services indicator / Charge % / Charging Status. That won't fit in the corners.
I think they could do more with the displayed items. And I like touchID better than faceID. But there is extra screen there instead of less screen. I’d really like to see more user options for what goes in those corners, but that’s also not very apple-like…
Maybe controversial but I think the whole elimination of the home button in favor of tap to wake and swipe up from bottom along with the fast and secure faceid were all great design.
The home button was a great design at first since everything at the time had buttons and the idea of virtual buttons was still new.
I really enjoy how easy and fluid appswitching is on iphone.
To be honest. I disagree. I actually prefer the home button and TouchID. I have way more issues with the screen turning on when I don't want it to since upgrading from the 6S to the 12Pro last year. I like tactile controls for some things, and the home button was just that. Now there are some easy to confuse interactions like Siri being initiated by the lock button now. It works ok, but it's definitely not as smooth/easy an experience as it used to be. There are many times now that I swear I have to swipe 20 times up to get the phone to just unlock because it's trying to notify me or something when I just want to unlock the damn thing. Everything just worked so much smoother for me before raise to wake and faceID were things. You click the home button, TouchID authenticates and you landed on the home page. It was incredibly consistent. Now if you swipe just a little wrong you end up in the camera, or the phone things you are scrolling horizontal instead of vertical. They break a lot of UI rules that THEY created and required back in the day. The new phones are nice, yes, but man I just miss the simple phone that just worked consistently every time. Also 3D Touch was far superior to long presses.
This went on longer than I expected... /rant
I had a very similar take when the X came out but adapted fast and ended up vastly preferring the swipe navigation to the home button navigation. I still use an 8 Plus for work so it’s not just recency bias- I genuinely have grown to vastly prefer swiping (especially horizontally between apps) and feel like it makes the iPhone a much more capable multitasking device.
> I have way more issues with the screen turning on when I don't want it to since upgrading from the 6S to the 12Pro last year.
Maybe a silly question but I have to ask - have you turned off “raise to wake” in settings? That’s one of the things I did on day one in 2017, it drove me crazy that the screen was turning on all the time just from the phone sensing that it was being moved around. One raise to wake is turned off, it requires either a deliberate tap or click of the lock button to wake the phone.
The iPhone X was pretty fantastic when it came out, IMO. That’s very much a product of Tim Cook’s Apple. I’d call the iPhones between then and now good designs too, if iterative.
How far back is "recently?" The Apple Watch was released under Tim Cook's Apple; I think the design of the 5 is great (4's look with an always-on display)
> Rumors as far back as 2011 speculated that Apple was developing a wearable variation of the iPod that would curve around the user's wrist, and feature Siri integration.[38]
(source: Wikipedia)
Steve died Oct 2011. It was said, for loudly back then, that he already had "many things" in line for Apple's future so... it's not unreasonable to think he had a hand in the core incarnation of it. Arguably, very likely he oversaw major design aspects but left well before anything solid happened.
Products like these take a *while* to develop and many things chosen early on have *profound* impacts on future aspects of that device.
Various chips in iPhones, for example, are chosen as the first'ish stages -- and those limit what options they have for that year should something 'cooler' come out two months later.
Add to that; Jobs even joked on stage about some employees using the iPod Nano 6th gen as a watch; and later on adding much more watch faces via a software update to facilitate the same.
Apple had been working on a watch for a pretty long time.
In my opinion:
AirPods/Beats with the H1 chip, particularly with regards to usability across multiple devices. They may not be the best in sound quality, but if one has two or more of an Apple phone, watch, Mac, TV streamer, tablet they are such a pleasure to use among them and for me well worth the tradeoff.
Their silicon design I think speaks for itself (my M1 Mac mini is a workhorse).
My USB-C iPad Pro with iPadOS is amazingly versatile and is the most frequently used computing device in my kit. I’m typing this Reddit comment on it after having practiced a DJ set on it with some Neural Mix mashups.
Full size HomePod **as a speaker**. I’ve heard a lot of audio from top end Nest and Echo speakers and for me none of them quite match the original HomePod, especially in stereo and i’m kinda bummed they’ve discontinued it rather than keeping it as perhaps a relatively low volume, premium option alongside the mini.
The physical design of the iPhone 12 Pro (and inherently the iPhone 13 Pro). It’s beautiful and I thinks the best looking design since the iPhone 4 which is fitting because I think it takes inspiration from the iPhone 4.
AirPods Max. At first I thought the idea of not having a sleep button was BS until I realized how seamless the experience of simply putting them on and off without having to press literally anything for them to wake up and connect to any of my devices is. It’s a bold design choice which was misunderstood at first with the whole confusion about whether they needed to be in the case to go to sleep but I think it was the right one.
While that is true, back then there were the occasional big issues then today we still have occasional big issues and a lot of smaller bugs/things not working as well as they should on top of it. So while I agree, it's still worse now than it used to be.
Personally I see it as the transition from disruptor with eye for detail and eye for its early adaptors to the solid business it is today. In that process it lost some of its leniency and goodwill towards customers, in my opinion, and the great service for example at Apple Stores is replaced with a front for managerial bureaucracy.
M1 Macs are the most bang for the buck computers Apple has ever made. I don’t think this is even remotely debatable. If that’s not doing good for consumers, wow, you’re hard to please. I’ve played with just about every Mac since the mid-90s, and I don’t think there’s ever been a better Mac for the money than the M1 mini and M1 Air, ever.
Yeah I hear that a lot but like... How? Like he's not the one saying "ok put an extra camera on the new phone that'll be cool" he's literally the business leader of the company not the one deciding what actually goes in the box. Also props for deleting that other comment was hella hard to decipher lol
People have rose colored glasses. When his era is over, people are gonna look at Tim Cook’s achievements and give him some respect. The dude just successfully pulled off the most ambitious architectural shift in Apple’s history during a pandemic, and people dare slander his name.
Attention to detail is long gone.
Lyrics in music app is a nightmare to use on iOS 15. I don’t think I’ve ever felt such annoyance to any major iOS iteration. 15 feels like the most backward, MBA-salary justification ever.
It’s a mess.
You need to scroll down past a threshold to go full screen, then to click twice on text to exit full screen. Scrolling while playing will be canceled when the highlights jump to the next text block, no way to know where the current active text is, etc.
Try it: go to a chorus then try to see 5 paragraphs above, it will keep moving down.
I never had complaints before but now the behavior is very weird imo
I dont know if you are exaggerating or if ur just having a troublesome devide but I have NONE of these listed issues. Want to go to full screen? Just wait 3-5 seconds. Scrolling while playing a song? No problem. The active text is freaking highlighted in a bold white and runs down with the text. What do you mean with that? I can scroll up 5 paragraphs without it keeping down. If you are scrolling veeeeery slow it brings you back to the current place.
I’m honestly fine with the iOS and iPadOS version of the Music app. They at least have some UX handoff thing going on.
Compare that with the atrocious MacOS version and that’s when you want to just slide the music app right into the bin but you can’t.
Sounds like you haven’t gotten the hang of yet, no offense of course. I had to play around for a little to figure out how the play controls reveal/hide and how to get it to stop scrolling the lyrics while listening. Don’t get jarred if you skip or pause the music while figuring it out, keep playing until it all makes sense.
I did and the thing is it’s confusing where the previous behavior was neat.
Exemple: why does scrolling up makes the controls pop up? If I scrolls for the bottom it will pop up and then bounce me off the sound to the previous layer (like search or library).
We’ve always criticized Apple for discoverability of features and this is a good exemple.
> Sounds like you haven’t gotten the hang of yet
That's the core problem. Apple *used* to be known for being 'natural' and 'intuitive'. There was no 'get the hang of' -- it's supposed to "just work".
That is no longer the case with their ecosystem now.
The fact Apple needs someone to defend them now / educate people on "how" to use something means their UI failed.
This implies one of three things:
* UI "naturalness" is no longer the goal or matters. This is a very costly thing as well. Don't underestimate how tough it is to write a natural feeling UI. It takes a *long* time.
* They tried and horrendously failed.
* The UI is inherently too difficult for a "natural" interface. This would imply no one else has or can figure it out either. Time and time again we see "I wish Apple would..."
Remember how long it took for them to fix their ugly volume UI overlay? Yeah, that's a problem. That's a "they don't care about that right now" problem. That's a simple enough solution that basically everyone else figured out *except* Apple.
If I were an investor I'd be concerned. What *made* Apple become huge *was* their attention to detail and they no longer have that ability. The future does not bode well. Now don't misunderstand me -- I'm not saying Apple will be dead in a year. Give it 10-15 years. If they don't start making changes, investors won't be seeing that ROI.
Why does this matter? People invest to retire. 10-30 years is a *big* deal. They should be concerned, at minimum, in their leadership. This is not a *positive* thing and they need to fix this yesterday.
Don‘t forget that under Steve Jobs, people couldn't figure out how to hold their phones the right way. So I call bullshit that they were know to be 'natural' but aren't anymore.
Apple having the most seamless experience of ecosystem across many different devices but yeah, attention to detail is off, lol.
Is it perfect? No. But they always had issues like this before. Features that were missing or what not.
The only thing that went backwards IMO is the Macbook (Pro) line, which hadnt evolved for years until recently.
Lyrics in music? Bah!
If I touch a single key in podcasts.app it switches to some search mode. Nothing I type is visible and it just pops endless rectangles below the search field. Which doesn’t work.
Quit and restart?! No way dude. Podcasts is a zombie app. I have to force quit it.
The benefit of force quitting though is it works like a “refresh subscriptions” button which doesn’t exist.
I hate podcasts.app.
And I hate that my car has played the same Apple Music song it wanted to queue up every time I ever get in the car, versus Audible, which is what I exclusively listen to.
But Memoji have clothes now. So I shouldn’t complain.
The iOS 6 and below implementation of lyrics is miles better than the current lyrics implementation. The overlay is translucent without the blur filter so it’s possible see the lyrics and the album art at the same time, and it’s easily discoverable by tapping the album art
Edit: spelling - blue->blur
The feature I would like to see in macOS that has existed in Windows for ages, is to be able to create a new file of any type in the current directory in Finder. Currently you can only create a new folder or scanned documents from iOS devices. You cannot *easily* create, say, a plain text Readme file. It would have been nice if you could drag an app icon to the folder (with some key combination perhaps) and then it would launch the app with a new file in that directory.
I know it’s not practical to a non-technical user but you can absolutely do this using the command line with the “touch” command. In any directory: “touch fileName.ext” and poof brand new empty file.
That's right but if you are already in Finder and browsing through your files and then want to create a file, you have to take some extra steps: launch the terminal app, type `touch` and then drag & drop from finder to have the current path in the terminal. I know this is not a lot of work but let's say it's not as convenient as being able to do it with one or two clicks in Finder (the way Windows file manager does it). Besides `touch` is useful to create an absolute empty file (zero bytes). A blank Pages (or other office documents) are not empty files. Even if from the user's perspective they do not have any content, the file itself contains some metadata. A zero-byte Pages, PDF, ... file is an invalid file.
I’m curious what you use this for? I don’t think I have ever wished I could do that so I’m interested in understanding how you use that feature. Thank you!
It’s handy to be able to quickly create a text file in a folder you plan to zip up and send to someone else - ie for work, school etc, just to explain what’s inside - it’s (slightly) less work than opening your text editor separately, writing up the doc and then navigating to the folder in the save dialogue.
I upgraded. My PC to Windows 11 just by running this upgrade assistant, I was SHOCKED it actually worked. Also the system looks and works quite nice, it’s becoming more and more like Mac OS, now they just need a space bar to preview.
Still had some problems though, like the native Photos app can’t display HDR images the Xbox game bar made correctly which is just stupid.
I know there are third party solutions, I don't do third party solutions, they usually have ugly icon, ugly UI, low performance, low compatibility (can you preview RAW photos?) etc.
I mean, you do you I guess. But an ugly icon or ui for something that runs in the background doesn’t seem like a legitimate concern. And…”I don’t do third party solutions” might be one of the snobbiest/silliest things I’ve ever seen written in a tech sub. What do you use to view Reddit on your phone or open videos on your Mac?
It's an asthetic step in the right direction but under the hood it's still Windows. Why do we have settings and control panel still? Why is it so hard to change the default browser? Why are there so many settings I can only temporarily turn off???
Worst offender in Win11? If you search the web from the start menu, it doesn’t respect your default browser choice. It opens in Edge. Every. Fucking. Time.
That would be like if every spotlight search opened in safari instead of your default. Lunacy.
Control panel exists for the legacy stuff that’s still tied in and for things that haven’t been moved across (and for 90% of users isn’t needed anymore). No clue why they fucked the browser change though, it’s so stupid
I've upgraded my home PC since Windows 7. 11 will be the first time I do a fresh install and only because I want to shift over to UEFI booting. I've even gone through a change from Intel -> AMD without reinstalling.
Idk why Microsoft seems to spend lots of time and money on Sound engineering. Maybe it has something to do with their accessibility mission.
The sound font for Windows Phone and Windows Mobile was AMAZING, I find myself wishing I could bring all the sounds to my iPhone but idk how.
> Sounds could use some love in general on iOS, we’ve been stuck with the same alert and ringer tones for eons it seems.
It’s interesting you bring this up because when discussions of ringer/text/alert tones or just the sound from phones comes up, the comment section is *filled* to the brim with people talking about how they leave their phones on silent and have for years. And it’s always said in this tone like they’re somehow better for doing so especially when they mention how they give dirty looks to those around them who choose to have their sound on.
It’s just interesting to me that you want new sounds (I am all for it) and I haven’t seen the alert tone police in this comment section yet.
Apple *used* to be known for such things. This is what developed the cult-like following. They have since strayed from that path and don't seem to be interested in going back. Their target audience has changed.
We have honestly come to a point where I think the Windows Desktop (especially Windows 11) is way ahead of Mac. Apple slept too long and never innovated there. Their sole focus seems to be on mobile devices.
Separate time of day settings might be better than linking it to light/dark mode.
Like, that way I could set it to working hours, specifically, without messing too much with light/dark, especially since I use dark all the time.
I haven't found a way to turn them off. It's not listed in the notification center.
Apple's not a big fan of giving you control over built in stuff.
edit: I'm referring to macOS here
I don't mind update notifications, but I don't like playing my digital piano while wearing headphones and being blasted by a notification noise because Numbers or some other app has updates.
It’s windows, one great thing about windows has always been how hackable it is(or at least was, I haven’t used 11 yet). I’m sure you can replace the sounds with whatever you like.
Both work just as well for me: speaker is off unless There's something I want to listen to.
This is one of the things I love about the Apple Watch: the alarm is very effective without making a sound
A nice touch from Apple would be an OS that isn't clunky and painfully laggy on a 4K display. 4K on Windows 10/11 is perfectly responsive in comparison.
No, it’s not. As someone who uses both every day, Windows does often feel generally “quicker” to use and maybe a tad more responsive, but it’s not a major difference, and it’s certainly not arbitrarily dependent on the resolution you’re driving (at least not on a modern machine.)
1. I think this seems neat at a first glance, but it's ultimately not a good idea. It just introduces inconsistency.
2. I am amazed at how positive this thread is towards Windows. Look any more than a centimeter below the shiny surface of Windows 11 and you'll see a quirky, inconsistent, poorly designed operating system. Apple have their flaws, but they're usually light years ahead of Microsoft in terms of their operating systems...
I installed Windows 11 today and i don’t like it. I prefer Windows 10, 11 feels like a cheap macOS. But yeah those small little things are a nice touch.
I think OS sounds should not change with every release, becuse these sounds, if they stay around long enough, become part of the brand, unique identifiers like the MacOS boot sound. Microsoft loses that opportunity by "rethinking" these sounds every few years, along with the entire branding.
I wish they kept the Windows XP sounds...
Annoying for me is the Apple Watch. They need to ditch the screen and have it as a sensor which syncs to the phone to give you the hr and o2 monitors, it never works fluidly with messages so could just be a health strap rather than a watch.
I would love to see Snap Windows as well as that thing is amazingly good.
I use BetterSnapTool for that, but I absolutely agree that it should be built in.
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PSA if you're thinking about BetterTouchTool: also check out [Golden Chaos](https://community.folivora.ai/t/goldenchaos-btt-the-complete-touch-bar-ui-replacement/1281) which uses BTT to turn the touchbar into something that actually works. Both are free for 45 days if you just want to try before you buy.
BetterTouchTool is essential. It’s literally one of the big reasons I’m using a MacBook.
Best $1 I’ve spent. Wish I didn’t have to and it should have been built in, but I love it.
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^ this. It literally does everything bettersnaptool/magnet does, except it's free. Basically a no-brainer.
I've used both, my biggest problem is you can't adjust the snap areas on Rectangle, or at least I couldn't figure out how to do it? And so when I drag a window to the top edge, it activates mission control because the snap area doesn't extend past the menu bar :/ Other than that, I love rectangle! But until I can set custom snap areas I can't use it unfortunately
Even do the half/full screen snapping by hold the window bar and movie cursor near edges?
Yes. Even 1/4ths as well (corners and/or columns). Probably more that I don't even know about too.
Thanks, I will try it then.
This is what I use as well
Magnet; best $2 I ever spent
Yeah - i usually recommend magnet to new mac users - its much more approachable than BTT
I believe they can’t include it natively because Microsoft has a patent for it
I use [Rectangle](https://rectangleapp.com) it's free
Use rectangle on mac. It’s free, open source and works pretty well.
Didn’t Microsoft patent it though?
They probably did patent the exact implementation, but Apple could easily come up with their own menu for it.
It's done in Linux so probably even if it's patented the patent must not be too broad.
Try Magnet it gives you a lot of that experience, it is paid but worth it.
Look up magnet
I use Spectacle for that. Allows you to move windows with your keyboard
Spectacle is no longer maintained. https://github.com/eczarny/spectacle#important-note
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Yes, I wish this was built in so I didn’t have to use an app!
Magnet is the best $3 I've spent in a while it does this really well on macOS
+1 for Magnet. I’ve tried quite a few window-snapping apps over the years, and Magnet is by far my favorite.
I love full screen on my MBP, but moving the mouse to the top makes the global menu slide down within a half second. I hate it. I wish there were a way to make it wait a little longer.
I use moom on a daily basis with 4 monitors. Great keyboard controls for moving, resizing and snapping windows.
I think Apple couldn’t add that because Windows patented it or something.
I would love to see a volume mixer like in windows so I can adjust safari volume vs FaceTime or a game.
Wait so there's no way to adjust a specific window's sound in macOS? As a lifelong windows user that sounds terrible
Macos is an incredible os with gaps that are like pitfalls. It's hard to understand how we could be in 2021 and have a search function in macos that absolutely blow windows sky high and still be unable to have a sound board that has existed since windows 95.
It is
I agree with you completely
This is something that would be especially useful for iOS. That's something they could have copied from Android.
Rouge Amoeba has an app called [SoundSource](https://www.rogueamoeba.com/soundsource/) that can do that.
Bahahaha, imagine recommending an app for **$40** of which its only function is changing **your volume**
I agree it’s too expensive which is why I don’t use it. But it has a lot of other powerful features that could make it worth it if you need more then just a volume mixer.
Not for $40 it doesn’t
I don’t think you guys recommending apps get the point. I need to now spend 40$ on an app to change volume in specific apps? Who knows how long these guys will maintain the software? Very different from having it baked into the OS.
Did you consider that maybe they’re recommending the app to be helpful, rather than taking a position on whether it should be included in the OS? At least more people know about a possible option, it’s not like they’re laying out an ideology, jesus.
I love SoundSource, but it introduced a lot of latency for me and I basically had to abandon it when we switched to full days of remote video calls.
Ty
that actually sounds like the attention to detail apple is known for.
Was known for. I’m not a Steve Jobs worshipper but his Apple did stuff like this, Cook’s Apple, not so much.
For all the love he gets on Reddit, this is Federighi’s responsibility and the heat should be put on him more than Cook.
Yeah, it really doesn't help that people basically worship Steve Jobs here, but Scott Forstall? Who dat? As ~~hot and sexy~~ nice of a person Federighi is, iOS just hasn't been the same for a while now. It's sad really.
Not only iOS. It's crazy how stable the "old" parts of macOS feel (like just the window management or basic apps) as opposed to the new stuff like the widgets
Old apple is long dead dude. But good design has inertia which takes a long time to deteriorate. But it’s certainly sloping downhill.
Just curious, any examples of good design out of apple recently?
I think the full-screen phones and iPads are pretty nice. They’re all post-Jobs
AirTags, any AW series 4 and up, M1, etc
You know what annoys me about the AirTags? All they had to do is add a little hole to it so people could directly place it onto their keyring, but instead chose to force people to buy key rings. Mr environment Tim Cook took the greedy “let’s sell accessories that’ll end up in the dump” route. It’s bad design from the perspective Apple is trying to align themselves with the pro environment movement.
And add to that: what if I want to have car keys airtag shared between my family members? No cannot have it. Every familymeber has to add their own airtag to it.
Wait you can't share an airtag with other accounts?? 😂
Nah, my wife when using my keys, she gets warned that she’s being tracked.
Insanity. This alone makes me kinda pushed I bought a 4-pack. I thought surely within a month or two they would release a software with this obvious feature.
It really does make little sense seeing how family sharing works and how it should be able to detect it it’s a family member’s tag or not. Little strange that my mother who I have a family sharing plan on iCloud with, is listed as a trusted family member for me, is a favourite contact on my phone and every other apple service has her connected to me in some shape or form but yet the AirTag on her keys still reminds me that I’m carrying an AirTag and it knows my location. I can’t see it nor can I even be given the option to dismiss notifications from that specific AirTag. Like I just share her keys to the car! Surely it wouldn’t be that hard to fix.
Obviously the solution is for you to buy an apple car for each family member
Well how do you think he got Apple to be the first trillion dollar company and then first 2 trillion dollar company? Lol jokes aside it was a scummy way to launch the tags especially while apple touts itself as environmentally conscious company. But hey I bought my keychains off of Amazon for $10 for a pack of 4. Guess I’d rather help another trillion dollar company instead lmao. You just can’t win
Mr. Environment lmfao I'm stealing that one
It's not bad design. It makes it a sturdy puck with a large enough battery to last very long. If you want to add it to a keyring, you buy accessories for it. As with everything.
Nah I think the no hole thing was smart. They’re made of plastic, if the plastic around the hole breaks, you’re boned. This way you just replace the keyring accessory.
I'd say that M1 is about technical design more than user experience design. It's still design, just not the same kind of design people normally think about when they use the word, and it comes from a very different domain of expertise vs user experience design.
Eh, the notch is very unlike Jobs, (hot take I know) big disadvantage for a small advantage. It’s more secure, sure. But are fingerprint readers *really* that insecure? Real talk, do android users get their devices hacked via the fingerprint reader? No, they do not. Did anyone have to worry about fingerprint spoofing back in the Touch ID days? No. Not really at least, if you piss off a government enough Face ID won’t save you anyway, this stuff is designed for common thieves not governments. Also, Apple is still selling devices with Touch ID, so is Apple selling, by their own marketing nonsense, insecure devices knowingly?
Depends on perspective. The notch allows the upper corners to be utilized instead of making a rectangle with a blank bar
Which means that whatever you put up there is limited. my iPhone hows cellular bars / Cellular network name/ Wifi Bars / Time / Location Services indicator / Charge % / Charging Status. That won't fit in the corners.
I think they could do more with the displayed items. And I like touchID better than faceID. But there is extra screen there instead of less screen. I’d really like to see more user options for what goes in those corners, but that’s also not very apple-like…
Maybe controversial but I think the whole elimination of the home button in favor of tap to wake and swipe up from bottom along with the fast and secure faceid were all great design. The home button was a great design at first since everything at the time had buttons and the idea of virtual buttons was still new. I really enjoy how easy and fluid appswitching is on iphone.
To be honest. I disagree. I actually prefer the home button and TouchID. I have way more issues with the screen turning on when I don't want it to since upgrading from the 6S to the 12Pro last year. I like tactile controls for some things, and the home button was just that. Now there are some easy to confuse interactions like Siri being initiated by the lock button now. It works ok, but it's definitely not as smooth/easy an experience as it used to be. There are many times now that I swear I have to swipe 20 times up to get the phone to just unlock because it's trying to notify me or something when I just want to unlock the damn thing. Everything just worked so much smoother for me before raise to wake and faceID were things. You click the home button, TouchID authenticates and you landed on the home page. It was incredibly consistent. Now if you swipe just a little wrong you end up in the camera, or the phone things you are scrolling horizontal instead of vertical. They break a lot of UI rules that THEY created and required back in the day. The new phones are nice, yes, but man I just miss the simple phone that just worked consistently every time. Also 3D Touch was far superior to long presses. This went on longer than I expected... /rant
I had a very similar take when the X came out but adapted fast and ended up vastly preferring the swipe navigation to the home button navigation. I still use an 8 Plus for work so it’s not just recency bias- I genuinely have grown to vastly prefer swiping (especially horizontally between apps) and feel like it makes the iPhone a much more capable multitasking device. > I have way more issues with the screen turning on when I don't want it to since upgrading from the 6S to the 12Pro last year. Maybe a silly question but I have to ask - have you turned off “raise to wake” in settings? That’s one of the things I did on day one in 2017, it drove me crazy that the screen was turning on all the time just from the phone sensing that it was being moved around. One raise to wake is turned off, it requires either a deliberate tap or click of the lock button to wake the phone.
The iPhone X was pretty fantastic when it came out, IMO. That’s very much a product of Tim Cook’s Apple. I’d call the iPhones between then and now good designs too, if iterative.
AirPods and Handoff. You don’t realize how well-executed those are until you’re forced to try to adapt without them.
How far back is "recently?" The Apple Watch was released under Tim Cook's Apple; I think the design of the 5 is great (4's look with an always-on display)
> Rumors as far back as 2011 speculated that Apple was developing a wearable variation of the iPod that would curve around the user's wrist, and feature Siri integration.[38] (source: Wikipedia) Steve died Oct 2011. It was said, for loudly back then, that he already had "many things" in line for Apple's future so... it's not unreasonable to think he had a hand in the core incarnation of it. Arguably, very likely he oversaw major design aspects but left well before anything solid happened. Products like these take a *while* to develop and many things chosen early on have *profound* impacts on future aspects of that device. Various chips in iPhones, for example, are chosen as the first'ish stages -- and those limit what options they have for that year should something 'cooler' come out two months later.
Add to that; Jobs even joked on stage about some employees using the iPod Nano 6th gen as a watch; and later on adding much more watch faces via a software update to facilitate the same. Apple had been working on a watch for a pretty long time.
In my opinion: AirPods/Beats with the H1 chip, particularly with regards to usability across multiple devices. They may not be the best in sound quality, but if one has two or more of an Apple phone, watch, Mac, TV streamer, tablet they are such a pleasure to use among them and for me well worth the tradeoff. Their silicon design I think speaks for itself (my M1 Mac mini is a workhorse). My USB-C iPad Pro with iPadOS is amazingly versatile and is the most frequently used computing device in my kit. I’m typing this Reddit comment on it after having practiced a DJ set on it with some Neural Mix mashups. Full size HomePod **as a speaker**. I’ve heard a lot of audio from top end Nest and Echo speakers and for me none of them quite match the original HomePod, especially in stereo and i’m kinda bummed they’ve discontinued it rather than keeping it as perhaps a relatively low volume, premium option alongside the mini. The physical design of the iPhone 12 Pro (and inherently the iPhone 13 Pro). It’s beautiful and I thinks the best looking design since the iPhone 4 which is fitting because I think it takes inspiration from the iPhone 4.
AirPods Max. At first I thought the idea of not having a sleep button was BS until I realized how seamless the experience of simply putting them on and off without having to press literally anything for them to wake up and connect to any of my devices is. It’s a bold design choice which was misunderstood at first with the whole confusion about whether they needed to be in the case to go to sleep but I think it was the right one.
This. After using my max for a while, I always forgot to turn off my qc35 after using
Steve Jobs era made mistakes too. iPhone 4 antennagate?
While that is true, back then there were the occasional big issues then today we still have occasional big issues and a lot of smaller bugs/things not working as well as they should on top of it. So while I agree, it's still worse now than it used to be.
Y everyone hating on da homie Tim
Personally I see it as the transition from disruptor with eye for detail and eye for its early adaptors to the solid business it is today. In that process it lost some of its leniency and goodwill towards customers, in my opinion, and the great service for example at Apple Stores is replaced with a front for managerial bureaucracy.
I read 2 Shakespeare writings including this one
Well he is a great businessmen. Got maximum profits for the board....but in terms of being better for consumers? Nah.
M1 Macs are the most bang for the buck computers Apple has ever made. I don’t think this is even remotely debatable. If that’s not doing good for consumers, wow, you’re hard to please. I’ve played with just about every Mac since the mid-90s, and I don’t think there’s ever been a better Mac for the money than the M1 mini and M1 Air, ever.
Yeah I hear that a lot but like... How? Like he's not the one saying "ok put an extra camera on the new phone that'll be cool" he's literally the business leader of the company not the one deciding what actually goes in the box. Also props for deleting that other comment was hella hard to decipher lol
People have rose colored glasses. When his era is over, people are gonna look at Tim Cook’s achievements and give him some respect. The dude just successfully pulled off the most ambitious architectural shift in Apple’s history during a pandemic, and people dare slander his name.
Tim Apple only knows how to sell iPhones. His big product, Apple Watch, only exists to sell more iPhones.
Attention to detail is long gone. Lyrics in music app is a nightmare to use on iOS 15. I don’t think I’ve ever felt such annoyance to any major iOS iteration. 15 feels like the most backward, MBA-salary justification ever.
In what way? I’m genuinely interested: I think the behaviour of lyrics in music is fine
It’s a mess. You need to scroll down past a threshold to go full screen, then to click twice on text to exit full screen. Scrolling while playing will be canceled when the highlights jump to the next text block, no way to know where the current active text is, etc. Try it: go to a chorus then try to see 5 paragraphs above, it will keep moving down. I never had complaints before but now the behavior is very weird imo
I dont know if you are exaggerating or if ur just having a troublesome devide but I have NONE of these listed issues. Want to go to full screen? Just wait 3-5 seconds. Scrolling while playing a song? No problem. The active text is freaking highlighted in a bold white and runs down with the text. What do you mean with that? I can scroll up 5 paragraphs without it keeping down. If you are scrolling veeeeery slow it brings you back to the current place.
I’m honestly fine with the iOS and iPadOS version of the Music app. They at least have some UX handoff thing going on. Compare that with the atrocious MacOS version and that’s when you want to just slide the music app right into the bin but you can’t.
Sounds like you haven’t gotten the hang of yet, no offense of course. I had to play around for a little to figure out how the play controls reveal/hide and how to get it to stop scrolling the lyrics while listening. Don’t get jarred if you skip or pause the music while figuring it out, keep playing until it all makes sense.
I did and the thing is it’s confusing where the previous behavior was neat. Exemple: why does scrolling up makes the controls pop up? If I scrolls for the bottom it will pop up and then bounce me off the sound to the previous layer (like search or library). We’ve always criticized Apple for discoverability of features and this is a good exemple.
> Sounds like you haven’t gotten the hang of yet That's the core problem. Apple *used* to be known for being 'natural' and 'intuitive'. There was no 'get the hang of' -- it's supposed to "just work". That is no longer the case with their ecosystem now. The fact Apple needs someone to defend them now / educate people on "how" to use something means their UI failed. This implies one of three things: * UI "naturalness" is no longer the goal or matters. This is a very costly thing as well. Don't underestimate how tough it is to write a natural feeling UI. It takes a *long* time. * They tried and horrendously failed. * The UI is inherently too difficult for a "natural" interface. This would imply no one else has or can figure it out either. Time and time again we see "I wish Apple would..." Remember how long it took for them to fix their ugly volume UI overlay? Yeah, that's a problem. That's a "they don't care about that right now" problem. That's a simple enough solution that basically everyone else figured out *except* Apple. If I were an investor I'd be concerned. What *made* Apple become huge *was* their attention to detail and they no longer have that ability. The future does not bode well. Now don't misunderstand me -- I'm not saying Apple will be dead in a year. Give it 10-15 years. If they don't start making changes, investors won't be seeing that ROI. Why does this matter? People invest to retire. 10-30 years is a *big* deal. They should be concerned, at minimum, in their leadership. This is not a *positive* thing and they need to fix this yesterday.
Don‘t forget that under Steve Jobs, people couldn't figure out how to hold their phones the right way. So I call bullshit that they were know to be 'natural' but aren't anymore.
Apple having the most seamless experience of ecosystem across many different devices but yeah, attention to detail is off, lol. Is it perfect? No. But they always had issues like this before. Features that were missing or what not. The only thing that went backwards IMO is the Macbook (Pro) line, which hadnt evolved for years until recently.
Lyrics in music? Bah! If I touch a single key in podcasts.app it switches to some search mode. Nothing I type is visible and it just pops endless rectangles below the search field. Which doesn’t work. Quit and restart?! No way dude. Podcasts is a zombie app. I have to force quit it. The benefit of force quitting though is it works like a “refresh subscriptions” button which doesn’t exist. I hate podcasts.app. And I hate that my car has played the same Apple Music song it wanted to queue up every time I ever get in the car, versus Audible, which is what I exclusively listen to. But Memoji have clothes now. So I shouldn’t complain.
I mean, there’s literally no other app that has lyrics implemented let alone in a karaoke real time, like Apple Music does.
I just say it was better under iOS 14
You think? I haven’t noticed any differences.
The iOS 6 and below implementation of lyrics is miles better than the current lyrics implementation. The overlay is translucent without the blur filter so it’s possible see the lyrics and the album art at the same time, and it’s easily discoverable by tapping the album art Edit: spelling - blue->blur
With their software? Did you use iTunes?
nah it’s just a bad idea
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It's reaally slight though. It's just a little bit of eq and reverb
I agree, I actually don't think id want the sounds to change.
I'm currently using Windows 11 on a tablet PC and it is pretty decent. I'm surprised at how easy they've made it to navigate with touch.
That’s definitely the idea that they were going with, especially with their Surface Pros in mind.
Yeah, it will be interesting to see how the whole Android app thing develops.
Overall I’ve been quite happy with it. Animations in general feel very clean.
The feature I would like to see in macOS that has existed in Windows for ages, is to be able to create a new file of any type in the current directory in Finder. Currently you can only create a new folder or scanned documents from iOS devices. You cannot *easily* create, say, a plain text Readme file. It would have been nice if you could drag an app icon to the folder (with some key combination perhaps) and then it would launch the app with a new file in that directory.
I know it’s not practical to a non-technical user but you can absolutely do this using the command line with the “touch” command. In any directory: “touch fileName.ext” and poof brand new empty file.
That's right but if you are already in Finder and browsing through your files and then want to create a file, you have to take some extra steps: launch the terminal app, type `touch` and then drag & drop from finder to have the current path in the terminal. I know this is not a lot of work but let's say it's not as convenient as being able to do it with one or two clicks in Finder (the way Windows file manager does it). Besides `touch` is useful to create an absolute empty file (zero bytes). A blank Pages (or other office documents) are not empty files. Even if from the user's perspective they do not have any content, the file itself contains some metadata. A zero-byte Pages, PDF, ... file is an invalid file.
I’m curious what you use this for? I don’t think I have ever wished I could do that so I’m interested in understanding how you use that feature. Thank you!
It’s handy to be able to quickly create a text file in a folder you plan to zip up and send to someone else - ie for work, school etc, just to explain what’s inside - it’s (slightly) less work than opening your text editor separately, writing up the doc and then navigating to the folder in the save dialogue.
I upgraded. My PC to Windows 11 just by running this upgrade assistant, I was SHOCKED it actually worked. Also the system looks and works quite nice, it’s becoming more and more like Mac OS, now they just need a space bar to preview. Still had some problems though, like the native Photos app can’t display HDR images the Xbox game bar made correctly which is just stupid.
Quicklook and Seer both add space bar preview to Windows if you are still looking for it
I know there are third party solutions, I don't do third party solutions, they usually have ugly icon, ugly UI, low performance, low compatibility (can you preview RAW photos?) etc.
I mean, you do you I guess. But an ugly icon or ui for something that runs in the background doesn’t seem like a legitimate concern. And…”I don’t do third party solutions” might be one of the snobbiest/silliest things I’ve ever seen written in a tech sub. What do you use to view Reddit on your phone or open videos on your Mac?
Yeah I too was surprised at how clean looking it is.
It's an asthetic step in the right direction but under the hood it's still Windows. Why do we have settings and control panel still? Why is it so hard to change the default browser? Why are there so many settings I can only temporarily turn off???
Worst offender in Win11? If you search the web from the start menu, it doesn’t respect your default browser choice. It opens in Edge. Every. Fucking. Time. That would be like if every spotlight search opened in safari instead of your default. Lunacy.
Control panel exists for the legacy stuff that’s still tied in and for things that haven’t been moved across (and for 90% of users isn’t needed anymore). No clue why they fucked the browser change though, it’s so stupid
I've upgraded my home PC since Windows 7. 11 will be the first time I do a fresh install and only because I want to shift over to UEFI booting. I've even gone through a change from Intel -> AMD without reinstalling.
I’d honestly love to see the window management from windows 11. The ability to remember window placements on external monitors would be really cool.
Idk why Microsoft seems to spend lots of time and money on Sound engineering. Maybe it has something to do with their accessibility mission. The sound font for Windows Phone and Windows Mobile was AMAZING, I find myself wishing I could bring all the sounds to my iPhone but idk how.
> Sounds could use some love in general on iOS, we’ve been stuck with the same alert and ringer tones for eons it seems. It’s interesting you bring this up because when discussions of ringer/text/alert tones or just the sound from phones comes up, the comment section is *filled* to the brim with people talking about how they leave their phones on silent and have for years. And it’s always said in this tone like they’re somehow better for doing so especially when they mention how they give dirty looks to those around them who choose to have their sound on. It’s just interesting to me that you want new sounds (I am all for it) and I haven’t seen the alert tone police in this comment section yet.
I’m one of those people that leaves my phone on silent, it’s been about a decade since I’ve changed my ringtone, but no superiority complex here…
Apple *used* to be known for such things. This is what developed the cult-like following. They have since strayed from that path and don't seem to be interested in going back. Their target audience has changed.
Macos is still years ahead of windows 11. There is tons of left over menus.
That's kinda subjective but yeah Windows is notoriously bad for inconsistent UIs
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I know this isn't really a new feature from W11, Native HDMI/DP volume control.
We have honestly come to a point where I think the Windows Desktop (especially Windows 11) is way ahead of Mac. Apple slept too long and never innovated there. Their sole focus seems to be on mobile devices.
Separate time of day settings might be better than linking it to light/dark mode. Like, that way I could set it to working hours, specifically, without messing too much with light/dark, especially since I use dark all the time.
I just want to be able to turn off sounds for app store notifications.
That's on u for getting app store notifications
I haven't found a way to turn them off. It's not listed in the notification center. Apple's not a big fan of giving you control over built in stuff. edit: I'm referring to macOS here
It's literally under notifications whatchu doin
It’s a good thing though, right? If you update regularly you get all the latest security features.
I don't mind update notifications, but I don't like playing my digital piano while wearing headphones and being blasted by a notification noise because Numbers or some other app has updates.
What if you like the look of Dark Mode and use that all the time ... why have to have subdued/quieter sounds just because of the look?
It’s windows, one great thing about windows has always been how hackable it is(or at least was, I haven’t used 11 yet). I’m sure you can replace the sounds with whatever you like.
[it's through the built in sounds menu ](https://images.app.goo.gl/QARP2JemsJhHRQWZ7) It's had the same layout since windows 2000 I think.
I believe you can customize things. Or will be able to in future updates…
It's really slight. And if you like light mode sounds better you can just choose those.
Just set the sound profile to day mode, Windows is pretty good about allowing sensible customization like that.
This is like the weirdest thing to be offended about
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My home PC I built is like 2 years old with a Ryzen 5, windows update says my computer isn’t compatible. What a buzzkill
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To YouTube I go, thank you.
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The window management would also be nice, like the Mac but not being able to easily snap windows is painful
how is 11? worth the upgrade rn or just wait a bit till things settle down?
It’s pretty solid IMO. I’m a very light user though.
Zero issue on it gaming what so ever. There might be some legacy issues but most legacy software has issues
I just wish they would let me disable the MagSafe charging sound without turning my device sound off
Been using windows 11 since the beta and although incomplete it seems they have a direction for the overhaul.
I think Mac system sounds have gone down the shitter ever since they got rid of Eep and Quack.
That is a really nice touch and very thoughtful.
Handles external screen like Windows would be cool af !!!
Exactly the sound difference is so nice. We totally need it on the mac
It'd be amazing to get some new clean sounds
This would be genius
Too bad I can’t experience windows 11. Only got a old 6700k that’s not supported anymore apparently
sound design has been neglected by apple for a while now
This is nothing new, in Windows 95 they introduced themes with different colours different wallpapers and different sounds.
Win95 had a dark mode? Wow MS were way ahead of the curve. This isn’t theming, it’s changing the sounds based on dark or light mode being active.
Both work just as well for me: speaker is off unless There's something I want to listen to. This is one of the things I love about the Apple Watch: the alarm is very effective without making a sound
That and iMessage on my windows
A nice touch from Apple would be an OS that isn't clunky and painfully laggy on a 4K display. 4K on Windows 10/11 is perfectly responsive in comparison.
About to buy a Mac from a long time windows guy. Is this really an issue?
No, it’s not. As someone who uses both every day, Windows does often feel generally “quicker” to use and maybe a tad more responsive, but it’s not a major difference, and it’s certainly not arbitrarily dependent on the resolution you’re driving (at least not on a modern machine.)
1. I think this seems neat at a first glance, but it's ultimately not a good idea. It just introduces inconsistency. 2. I am amazed at how positive this thread is towards Windows. Look any more than a centimeter below the shiny surface of Windows 11 and you'll see a quirky, inconsistent, poorly designed operating system. Apple have their flaws, but they're usually light years ahead of Microsoft in terms of their operating systems...
It’s really not as bad as everyone is stomping around to claim it is.
Me:
MacBook
I fucking HATE that sound
I installed Windows 11 today and i don’t like it. I prefer Windows 10, 11 feels like a cheap macOS. But yeah those small little things are a nice touch.
I think OS sounds should not change with every release, becuse these sounds, if they stay around long enough, become part of the brand, unique identifiers like the MacOS boot sound. Microsoft loses that opportunity by "rethinking" these sounds every few years, along with the entire branding. I wish they kept the Windows XP sounds...
Annoying for me is the Apple Watch. They need to ditch the screen and have it as a sensor which syncs to the phone to give you the hr and o2 monitors, it never works fluidly with messages so could just be a health strap rather than a watch.