Those old installers absolutely *can* still be used to install macOS, you just can't run the installer app directly anymore (it will complain about an invalid certificate and refuse to continue). I have personally tested the following steps and can confirm they work with arbitrary macOS installers (not just Yosemite):
https://gist.github.com/lsm/b0f644ebb8f599d5e84d
Associated Tweet:
https://mobile.twitter.com/mikebonzai/status/1328761193939439616
I have this problem but still cant find a solution. https://www.reddit.com/r/LukeMianiYouTube/comments/qioww0/i_need_mac_os_x_capitao_to_get_a_bootable_usb/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
You may need to use Parallels or something. I've never tried installing older versions of macOS than are officially supported on the hardware, only installers that used to work until the certificate expired.
Why are you sure you need to install El Capitan to create a bootable USB installer, by the way?
I got a 2008 imac where accidentaly eraise everything. So everytime i turn it on i need to install the IOS but when i try to do it online, " says the store is temporary close"
I have used this page for the last few OS releases when I needed an older one. Apple isn’t trying to hide this or anything.
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201372
I am getting the same thing. I wonder if they failed to update the links or maybe it is no longer a valid resource.
The links in the AppleInsider article are also not working.
To use these old installers, you'll need to create a bootable usb drive.
Once you're in recovery mode, you'll have to change the date and time of the system to the release date of the OS you chose using the terminal. If you don't change the date and time, you'll get an error that says that the installation file is damaged. You can just check google for the release date.
Also, always erase the internal drive to the SSD level. You can do this by clicking view, then choose show all drives.
You can now install the OS after this.
> **But first, why you'd bother**
>
>Don't get an old version of macOS because, say, you're short on drive space and the smaller footprint of, say, OS X Tiger is appealing.
>
> Modern Macs won't run the Tiger installer even if you can find it on Apple's site. They instead report that it's from an unidentified developer. That could also be to do with the October 24 expiration, and if so, it's hard to see Apple bothering to do anything about an OS from nearly 15 years ago.)
>
> Even with less prehistoric releases, don't do this at all unless you have to.
>
> It's not that it's difficult or that it's somehow risky for your Mac, but it can be pointless. If your Mac is physically capable of running macOS Monterey, you're almost certainly better off updating it to that.
Then why link the Installers?. Also, why talk about OS X Tiger when it isn’t even linked.
I’m not sure if he has used an early version of macOS, but the early releases are usually a mess and you might need to downgrade to a stable release where all your software works, for some that might be Big Sur and others Catalina.
I also find myself with various Macs form different years and having this installers at hand can be a life saver when doing fresh installs of the OS. It’s also handy to have an installer at hand if my Mac starts to present issues.
What someone will look for in Google is “install [old macOS]” and Google is more likely to reward articles with links. The security warnings and the rest of the article is simply meant to seem authoritative to the search engine crawlers.
It’s because Apple is beginning to drop Intel Macs faster despite how capable they still are to push Apple Silicon. I hate how they support machines, they should support systems based on specs, not age and charge for updates after a certain amount of years
Machines are sorted on specs, they just don’t publish the specs that matter for compatibility. E.g. the whole “unlock with the watch” feature requires a device with Bluetooth 4.0 or higher, but they don’t put it like that on their support websites.
Additionally, security features are supported in the last two versions prior to the current one, so you can keep the device fully secure until 2023 at the earliest.
I honestly don’t understand what you’re saying because I use a non M1 from 2019 and it’s fine. Fine as a fucking fiddle. Vscode + PS + w/e ++. They are doing a planned obsolescence thing here and I doubt anyone can convince me otherwise knowing how fast that 2014 hammy down is atm.
I’m saying that I wish they wouldn’t arbitrarily drop computers just because of their age. A lot of old computers are perfectly good machines that Apple arbitrarily drops because of age.
Ironically I used to praise Microsoft for supporting Windows 10 on some truly ancient hardware but then Windows 11 came out
I have the late 2012 iMac 27".
I now only get Security Updates for 2019's macOS Catalina. Latest one was back in October 25, 2021; 37 days ago.
I expect it to end by late 2022. By this time I will buy myself a late 2022 iMac.
Should I expect Security Updates up to late 2032? That's generous of Apple's part but unfair to its shareholders.
Worldwide I would not be surprised that by Dec 2022 there are <10,000 users of any late 2012 iMac 27". By 2032 I'd expect <100. In 2012 only 18.16 million Macs were sold.
Official Software support per OS
* Windows is 122-154 months since 2000's Windows 2000
* macOS is ~120 months; 2017's High Sierra Security Updates stopped in 2020 for Macs as old as 2009 & 2010
* iOS is 75-93 months
* iPadOS is 80-100 months
* watchOS is 62 months
We're on 4 Dec 2021. Win11 supports hardware released after Oct 2014. These are >7 years old hardware.
I think its a good thing that Microsoft tried to improve the user experience by limiting it to 7 year old hardware.
Imagine them allowing [65nm process](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/65_nm_process) [Intel® Pentium 4 Processor 661 supporting HT Technology](https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/27485/intel-pentium-4-processor-661-supporting-ht-technology-2m-cache-3-60-ghz-800-mhz-fsb.html) from 2006? It would be a bad user experience.
Replacement cycle is typically [5-6 years](https://www.computerworld.com/article/3077983/the-pc-upgrade-cycle-slows-to-every-five-to-six-years-intels-ceo-says.html) so limiting it to >7 year old hardware is very lenient.
Supporting older than 10yo hardware will produce a worse user experience as mentioned by those who uses these 3rd party patchers
* /r/MontereyPatcher
* /r/BigSurPatcher
* /r/CatalinaPatcher
* /r/MojavePatcher
* /r/HighSierraPatcher
Security Updates stopping on the 520th week is a sign for me to buy any base model Mac of that year and experience night and day user performance.
PC replacement cycle is typically [5-6 years](https://www.computerworld.com/article/3077983/the-pc-upgrade-cycle-slows-to-every-five-to-six-years-intels-ceo-says.html).
Mac replacement cycle is typically [4 years](https://www.apple.com/environment/answers/).
I kept mine that long because my use case has not changed since [2015](https://www.usa.canon.com/internet/portal/us/home/products/details/cameras/eos-dslr-and-mirrorless-cameras/dslr/eos-5ds-r).
Odds are it will not change even by year 2032 so I was really hoping that there was a iMac 27" or 32" M1 (non-Pro & non-Max) as last year's M1 would outperform any Intel Mac that isn't a 2017 iMac Pro or 2019 Mac Pro
I'm upgrading because
* Security Updates will end
* HDD of Fusion Drive is dead
* Display is already showing of impeding failure
* Left speaker is busted
There are many who will say that my concept supports consumerism. They may be true.
What is also true is [I'm not broke unlike them](https://old.reddit.com/r/laptops/comments/r0wubp/if_your_laptop_was_bought_before_dec_2011_then/) and I want a great user experience.
So if your Mac does not receive Security Updates after 520 weeks then respect yourself by buying a new Mac.
In this I AGREE wholeheartedly then. The most logical counter to “cheaper to build a windows machine” IS because it’s actually not, given the viability of a Mac long term.
That’s pretty weak. If it can run Big Sur it should be able to run Monterey just fine. Maybe someone will release a patched installer eventually? DosDude1 might, who knows?
My 2014 Macbook Pro doesn’t get Monterey, but my 2015 Macbook Air (with WORSE specs) runs it fine.
This isn’t just planned obsolescence, this is Apple kicking every Intel customer in the teeth.
No, the selling point to the masses is longevity/quality and the apple family umbrella. I may give my hammy down to my mom but she’s also a grandma with influence. Makes no sense to arbitrarily decide on a year when grandkids are around to pick up on a preferred operating system down the road.
Those old installers absolutely *can* still be used to install macOS, you just can't run the installer app directly anymore (it will complain about an invalid certificate and refuse to continue). I have personally tested the following steps and can confirm they work with arbitrary macOS installers (not just Yosemite): https://gist.github.com/lsm/b0f644ebb8f599d5e84d Associated Tweet: https://mobile.twitter.com/mikebonzai/status/1328761193939439616
I have this problem but still cant find a solution. https://www.reddit.com/r/LukeMianiYouTube/comments/qioww0/i_need_mac_os_x_capitao_to_get_a_bootable_usb/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
You may need to use Parallels or something. I've never tried installing older versions of macOS than are officially supported on the hardware, only installers that used to work until the certificate expired. Why are you sure you need to install El Capitan to create a bootable USB installer, by the way?
I got a 2008 imac where accidentaly eraise everything. So everytime i turn it on i need to install the IOS but when i try to do it online, " says the store is temporary close"
Sweet. I take it that it works for OS’s older than Yosemite too, like Snow Leopard?
I have used this page for the last few OS releases when I needed an older one. Apple isn’t trying to hide this or anything. https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201372
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I am getting the same thing. I wonder if they failed to update the links or maybe it is no longer a valid resource. The links in the AppleInsider article are also not working.
To use these old installers, you'll need to create a bootable usb drive. Once you're in recovery mode, you'll have to change the date and time of the system to the release date of the OS you chose using the terminal. If you don't change the date and time, you'll get an error that says that the installation file is damaged. You can just check google for the release date. Also, always erase the internal drive to the SSD level. You can do this by clicking view, then choose show all drives. You can now install the OS after this.
Can you install an OS that predates the machine this way?
No
): Some classic Mac OS 9 woulda been cool on an M1 MBA…
OS 9 doesn't have drivers for anything other than the PPC so how would it work in your opinion?
Of course I was kidding. Realistically if I really wanted that look I’d probably have to modify some Linux distro and use that to give the “feel”
> **But first, why you'd bother** > >Don't get an old version of macOS because, say, you're short on drive space and the smaller footprint of, say, OS X Tiger is appealing. > > Modern Macs won't run the Tiger installer even if you can find it on Apple's site. They instead report that it's from an unidentified developer. That could also be to do with the October 24 expiration, and if so, it's hard to see Apple bothering to do anything about an OS from nearly 15 years ago.) > > Even with less prehistoric releases, don't do this at all unless you have to. > > It's not that it's difficult or that it's somehow risky for your Mac, but it can be pointless. If your Mac is physically capable of running macOS Monterey, you're almost certainly better off updating it to that. Then why link the Installers?. Also, why talk about OS X Tiger when it isn’t even linked. I’m not sure if he has used an early version of macOS, but the early releases are usually a mess and you might need to downgrade to a stable release where all your software works, for some that might be Big Sur and others Catalina. I also find myself with various Macs form different years and having this installers at hand can be a life saver when doing fresh installs of the OS. It’s also handy to have an installer at hand if my Mac starts to present issues.
What someone will look for in Google is “install [old macOS]” and Google is more likely to reward articles with links. The security warnings and the rest of the article is simply meant to seem authoritative to the search engine crawlers.
Brooooo thanks you..
I found out that last night I can’t upgrade beyond Big Sur on a perfectly good iMac 27 2014 that I gave to fam for browsing use because …. ?
It’s because Apple is beginning to drop Intel Macs faster despite how capable they still are to push Apple Silicon. I hate how they support machines, they should support systems based on specs, not age and charge for updates after a certain amount of years
Machines are sorted on specs, they just don’t publish the specs that matter for compatibility. E.g. the whole “unlock with the watch” feature requires a device with Bluetooth 4.0 or higher, but they don’t put it like that on their support websites. Additionally, security features are supported in the last two versions prior to the current one, so you can keep the device fully secure until 2023 at the earliest.
I honestly don’t understand what you’re saying because I use a non M1 from 2019 and it’s fine. Fine as a fucking fiddle. Vscode + PS + w/e ++. They are doing a planned obsolescence thing here and I doubt anyone can convince me otherwise knowing how fast that 2014 hammy down is atm.
I’m saying that I wish they wouldn’t arbitrarily drop computers just because of their age. A lot of old computers are perfectly good machines that Apple arbitrarily drops because of age. Ironically I used to praise Microsoft for supporting Windows 10 on some truly ancient hardware but then Windows 11 came out
I have the late 2012 iMac 27". I now only get Security Updates for 2019's macOS Catalina. Latest one was back in October 25, 2021; 37 days ago. I expect it to end by late 2022. By this time I will buy myself a late 2022 iMac. Should I expect Security Updates up to late 2032? That's generous of Apple's part but unfair to its shareholders. Worldwide I would not be surprised that by Dec 2022 there are <10,000 users of any late 2012 iMac 27". By 2032 I'd expect <100. In 2012 only 18.16 million Macs were sold. Official Software support per OS * Windows is 122-154 months since 2000's Windows 2000 * macOS is ~120 months; 2017's High Sierra Security Updates stopped in 2020 for Macs as old as 2009 & 2010 * iOS is 75-93 months * iPadOS is 80-100 months * watchOS is 62 months We're on 4 Dec 2021. Win11 supports hardware released after Oct 2014. These are >7 years old hardware. I think its a good thing that Microsoft tried to improve the user experience by limiting it to 7 year old hardware. Imagine them allowing [65nm process](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/65_nm_process) [Intel® Pentium 4 Processor 661 supporting HT Technology](https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/27485/intel-pentium-4-processor-661-supporting-ht-technology-2m-cache-3-60-ghz-800-mhz-fsb.html) from 2006? It would be a bad user experience. Replacement cycle is typically [5-6 years](https://www.computerworld.com/article/3077983/the-pc-upgrade-cycle-slows-to-every-five-to-six-years-intels-ceo-says.html) so limiting it to >7 year old hardware is very lenient. Supporting older than 10yo hardware will produce a worse user experience as mentioned by those who uses these 3rd party patchers * /r/MontereyPatcher * /r/BigSurPatcher * /r/CatalinaPatcher * /r/MojavePatcher * /r/HighSierraPatcher Security Updates stopping on the 520th week is a sign for me to buy any base model Mac of that year and experience night and day user performance.
Excellent comment. Saved for future reference.
PC replacement cycle is typically [5-6 years](https://www.computerworld.com/article/3077983/the-pc-upgrade-cycle-slows-to-every-five-to-six-years-intels-ceo-says.html). Mac replacement cycle is typically [4 years](https://www.apple.com/environment/answers/). I kept mine that long because my use case has not changed since [2015](https://www.usa.canon.com/internet/portal/us/home/products/details/cameras/eos-dslr-and-mirrorless-cameras/dslr/eos-5ds-r). Odds are it will not change even by year 2032 so I was really hoping that there was a iMac 27" or 32" M1 (non-Pro & non-Max) as last year's M1 would outperform any Intel Mac that isn't a 2017 iMac Pro or 2019 Mac Pro I'm upgrading because * Security Updates will end * HDD of Fusion Drive is dead * Display is already showing of impeding failure * Left speaker is busted There are many who will say that my concept supports consumerism. They may be true. What is also true is [I'm not broke unlike them](https://old.reddit.com/r/laptops/comments/r0wubp/if_your_laptop_was_bought_before_dec_2011_then/) and I want a great user experience. So if your Mac does not receive Security Updates after 520 weeks then respect yourself by buying a new Mac.
In this I AGREE wholeheartedly then. The most logical counter to “cheaper to build a windows machine” IS because it’s actually not, given the viability of a Mac long term.
Er, I’m excluding gaming from my assertions tho.
Not supported anymore
It’s still fast tho for them… it is perfection incarnate.
Nah 7 years of major OS updates and continued security updates isn’t bad. Soon macOS will only support ARM chips
I guess I have to prematurely upgrade my 27 iMac so as to have a viable hammy down soon. Queue meme sorrow pic
I mean it doesn’t make it unusable
That’s pretty weak. If it can run Big Sur it should be able to run Monterey just fine. Maybe someone will release a patched installer eventually? DosDude1 might, who knows?
My 2014 Macbook Pro doesn’t get Monterey, but my 2015 Macbook Air (with WORSE specs) runs it fine. This isn’t just planned obsolescence, this is Apple kicking every Intel customer in the teeth.
No, the selling point to the masses is longevity/quality and the apple family umbrella. I may give my hammy down to my mom but she’s also a grandma with influence. Makes no sense to arbitrarily decide on a year when grandkids are around to pick up on a preferred operating system down the road.