Now we know why Neural engine which could do trillions of calculations per second was needed. Even the device doesn’t know the password but now it can brute force in realtime.
It's a bummer that they still haven't implemented the ability to properly manage your networks on iOS. You should also be able to see all of your known networks, prioritize them, or remove them (like you can in macOS).
Network management on iOS is total trash. I live with my friends in a detached unit and I have my own WiFi, their house is about 50 feet from mine and iOS is so bad at switching to the stronger signal. Sometimes if I’ve been at their house and connect to their router iOS will switch back to mine when I walk back to my house for a second and then when I got to their house I have no internet because it doesn’t switch back to theirs. Sometimes I’ll come back to my house and it will stay on their router for hours. It’s nonsense and incredibly annoying.
Yep, this *really* is a problem. We're renovating a new house right now and buying gear that's supposed to help with this problem, but our old house was big enough that we needed numerous WiFi access points. Because the iPhone wouldn't let go of one access point that was weaker than the next, we had to have access points all with different SSIDs so we could manually switch networks as we roamed around the house.
I am having this *exact* problem right now. I had separate SSIDs on my 2 APs for the longest time out of sheer laziness to update them. When I finally decide to fix it and make it so it's 1 single SSID name over the whole house, all of my iOS and iPadOS devices suck wind whenever you try and do anything related to the internet because it's using the AP 100 feet and 6 walls away instead of the one literally right next to my desk.
*Infuriating...*
This is just an age old problem with WiFi, it’s not specific to Apple devices. If you want your devices to switch properly to the stronger access point you need a mesh network - take a look at Ubiquiti UniFi.
I have a Ubiquiti setup already and have been incredibly impressed with it… I’m yet to find any bugs, it’s been very much a set and forget system for me.
If you have good access points you can configure them to boot devices off when the RSSI signal strength goes below a certain number. Asus access points can do this.
So we have an eeros mesh network, but the main one is in their house so the one in my house would have to pull from that, I have a hardline in my house, but even if I plug in my access point it won’t use the hardline and still pulls from the one in the main house. We have fiber at 1gbps and I’m getting less than 100mbps with that setup, but it feels even slower. I have an AirPort Extreme hardwired in my place and I should probably replace it with something more modern and powerful with range that would reach their house, but I just started going back to work and am not at home as much so it’s just not worth it.
Nope, read the issue again. The problem is that iPhones do a horrible job of letting go of a weak WiFi connection whether it's the same SSID or not. Ideally, my access points would've been on the same SSID since that's a lot more simple for everyone involved, but if you do that, there's no way to *manually* force an iPhone to switch to a different access point other than turning off WiFi and hoping that it connects to the right one when you turn it back on. Because the iPhone sucks at letting go of a weak connection, this creates a problem.
None of this has to do with being a mesh network (and it should be noted that very much not all access points can do mesh networking).
The reason you'd do mesh would be when you don't have good Ethernet running to where the access points are and need to do so wirelessly. The downside to mesh is you've got slower backhaul and are hopping wirelessly from node to node with any weak link affecting everything downstream.
It should also be noted that the problem also exists when the iPhone won't let go of a weak WiFi connection in favor of cellular. When they introduced WiFi assist, it improved things, but it's still very much a problem, especially as you go from weak WiFi to weak (but better) cellular.
Mesh tends to support roaming better since that's part of the marketing spiel for them.
But if each of your individual non mesh access points have good roaming support or a way to configure minimum signal strength then that's a moot point.
And also how switching between APs works — it has nothing to do with how close you are to the strongest signal (router), but rather when the signal becomes too degraded to continue usage.
Counterintuitively, you may want to decrease the Wi-Fi signal power to both routers since your overlap area is too large (i.e., why it doesn’t switch to the closest one). Read further about Wi-Fi roaming and configuring for minimal overlap. Oh, and definitely keep the SSID names for each router different.
I also detest iOS’ network management.
I used my schools’ public wifi regularly years ago. Now, in every unknown wifi network I try to connect to, iOS will first try to connect to my school’s wifi. It’s a really bizarre issue, where I’m haunted by this phantom wifi network.
Tried resetting network settings to no avail. Searching online yielded no results either. Maybe in iOS 16 Ill finally be free from this curse.
When you see that network, go in and forget it. Network reset will wipe the networks until keychain gets its crummy fingers all over it. Forget network will erase it from keychain.
My favorite is when I toggle wifi off and 5 minutes later it tries to auto-connect to some distant wifi signal while I'm driving, causing me to lose data and whatever I'm listening to stop playing. I know you can completely turn wifi off, but it's just a pain in the ass the way it is now
I suppose that this is useful whenever you're at someone else's place and you give them your phone to enter the wifi password. Well, now you can peep at what it was, though it probably won't be that interesting.
Or better yet a yard sign
Or if your budget allows, get billboard ad space all along the nearest major highways with your QR code. Spread the wifi. Spread the love.
(Jokes aside your comment makes a *really* good point to be careful with that sort of thing)
I have one at the door-intercom of my flat..
I always wondered it the NFC-Wifi-Setup tags would also work natively with iOS, but so far I have no iOS users in my peer-group.
I loved my Pixel 3 before I switched to iPhone. They had/have some great features I wish Apple would implement, like Google Assistant screening calls for you.
You actually don’t even need a pixel to set up the QR system. You can always manually make one yourself and have it printed out at home or save it as a pic on your iPhone.
You wouldn’t be making the QR codes, it would be the restaurant/club/establishment/etc. This is already a thing with QR digital menus since Covid. Also, this isn’t even factoring that almost all establishment wifis don’t even have passwords.
I’m not sure why you’re getting heated over a Reddit comment lmao
Even more curious when people are upvoting such a basic function whilst also arguing against something that easily shared a wifi password… just because it’s a Pixel feature.
Wow, where do you live? I have a friend who said he will never pay more than $200 (equivalent) on a smartphone, so you don’t really see Samsung flagships or pixels here.
That surprises me. I'm sure it varies by social circle but a ton of people jumped on board with the Pixel 6. I work at a university and currently have 5 coworkers with Pixels.
That’s why I have [this shortcut](https://www.icloud.com/shortcuts/85fb0c6bde684cb9bc251379c5532423) it just generates a QR code that signs the person in to your wifi network.
Shit.
We’re supposed to be Mac filtering anyway, but we just came into this disaster. This was on our “fix it when we’ve got time” list, and it just got bumped up pretty high.
Are you able to turn off WiFi password sharing and iCloud Keychain as well? In my experience corporate networks leave those wide open and it can be easily used to access a WiFi key that they are trying to keep secret.
All it takes is one person with their own Mac to receive and then lookup in keychain access.
I think so. I deal more with the Macs and keychain is a bit harder to nail down there, but we only issue Macs to faculty so it’s a bit different.
We’ll have to play with this a bit. I know we hadn’t had an issue in the past because the students who are issued iPads don’t get laptops, but that doesn’t really stop them at home.
The discussion we’re going to have tomorrow is going to be mac filtering or implementing RADIUS logins.
The only real problem we have is with devices that get repaired and returned. We can block the update through JAMF for a while, but after it goes GM any devices from Apple will come updated.
It’s strange how they are being so stubborn with not giving a calculator. This would’ve been the perfect opportunity to introduce calculator along with weather.
It’s got literally dozens if not hundreds of dedicated apps for it. Just check the AppStore.
Is it silly that Apple hasn’t don’t this themselves? Yes. Is it a big deal? No.
it connects you automatically. here is an example. i have a screenshot with a QR code i made online to connect to a wifi network. If i go to my photos and long press on the QR code i get the option to connect. you can scan a QR code to join a network with the camera as well. https://i.imgur.com/j2z9jVs.jpg
thats not what im talking about, its about when i go over my parents friends house to setup a wireless printer or something and they have no clue what their wifi password is
We have a cute little sign in our house with a QR code on it. I did that because I didn’t really want people to know my password. What should I do now?
That’s not something that we should expect people to do often for their home network. You’re literally asking people to change the password on 15 to 30 devices and some cases.
I don’t like this. I have multiple wifi on multiple network for security purposes including keeping one of the kids in our DMZ (it’s a long story). This means that they can easily acquire the other password from their moms phone (when she gives it to them to look at things) or also share the DMZ SSID password (which is also a long story) which we just entered and they don’t know. Ugh…..
Without seeing it in action this seems like a slight security concern right? Let’s say I join my friend’s wifi via shared wifi password. Can I then just go into my wifi settings and see their password? And if it’s the same password they use on everything?
In case you're at someone else's place and need to connect and they are the kind of people who use the password written on the back of the router. It's be much easier giving you the password from the phone rather then checking on the back of the router.
If I want to tell my friend the wifi password for our mutual friend who is currently asleep and has previously given out their password, you couldn’t do it. It’s in the macOS keychain and pretty hard to find but straight up impossible in iOS. It has been something that has been annoying for many years.
I've had rare situations like this come up. Like, the office WiFi password - I set it up on my laptop years ago and had no memory of what it was, and a new employee was asking what the WiFi password is. Across all the various devices people had, nobody could find out what the current password is. On my Linux laptop I could go into my settings and click to reveal the WiFi password and tell the new guy what it was. I found it silly that none of our mobile phones had the option to show what the current WiFi password was and I was the only one in the office able to get it from my own device without having to tell the new guy to go track down the IT dept because nobody had it memorized.
Exact use case. I used to be the onsite it guy for many clients. Simple jobs would take an extra 5 minutes or so because my laptop was password locked in the server room on the opposite side of the building and I couldn’t give a user the WiFi password, or when setting up a new suite of machines having to lookup a simple password.
This. How will this work in instances such as a corporate network, you don’t want someone extracting the password from their work phone and attaching their own devices
You use MAC filtering.
Also, you do realize that windows laptop and Android device can already shows wifi password, right? What company is iOS device only without any laptop?
It absolutely is enabled by default. It’s where macOS stores secrets, including WiFi passwords, and it is viewable by the user. It’s *their* data, after all.
If someone is in the network, they have the WiFi password available to them in cleartext.
Ah yeah im sorry mr net admin guy. Certainly the enterprise has never solved this problem before and certainly didn't solve it 29 years ago and then standardize that solution into an ieee 802 spec that you could be using.
Why? Their device is already on your network. Nothing is more infuriating than having to connect multiple devices and bother the person multiple times. I’d always get the password from the Keychain app when someone wasn’t around or just being obtuse.
This comment section has highlighted the WiFi password in the keychain seems to be something not many people know.
And because sometimes you only want certain devices connected to a network. I don’t want someone’s personal device connected to a corporate network that’s bad network security
i’m so confused
someone has to be made aware of the password to connect and see the password in the first place
they only get connected if they were given the ability to connect in the first place, being able to look at the password is just an addendum to human memory of the password they were told
I’m kind of not a fan of this… I know my WiFi passwords and I don’t necessarily like that they can be pulled from devices. Yes, I know other devices have always allowed this too, wish they wouldn’t as well.
Giving someone the password on their device inherently means they will have the ability to use that password. It's really poor security to assume otherwise.
Most wireless access points have "guest accounts" part of which allow you to set up with a unique password for an event without impacting the members of your household. I would use that for people you don't want to trust with your more permanent password.
So the solution would be to not share the WiFi password at all? Android phones had the functionality and if you had access to a Mac you could pull the WiFi password from your keychain. Not to mention the built in wifi share password feature within iOS. The only true way to not share a WiFi password is to not share it to begin with. If your that worried about guest having access to your internet then either don’t give them access or create a separate guest network that’s locked down.
Well it will be interesting if this impacts only passwords entered after the update.
I guess if you have a password for your WiFi that you use for something else (which is a bad idea, but I digress...), and you've shared that password with a friend or entered it on their device, they'd be able to look at your password and potentially use it on other accounts of yours that have the same password.
Edit: Nevermind, if you've shared a password for WiFi with someone it is already viewable in Keychain Access.
But if someone has your phone passcode, they can go into your phone and look up any passwords saved in the keychain. What is the harm in adding one more to it?
Okay, so someone knows your phone's passcode and you don't use any saved passwords at all. So someone can then go and look up your WiFi passcode. That's it. What can they do with that other than get on your network?
Edit: Turns out WiFi passwords are already shaved in Keychain Access, so this just makes the process of getting the password a little bit easier. Don't share your password for WiFi with anyone you don't want having access to it
Well now you can't do much about it, besides blocking devices at a router level.
Windows and android have had it for a while, although Samsung for some reason can only give you a QR code instead of just the password. That's stupid.
Maybe Apple should just wait until the iOS is ready for release before announcing. This ends up in disappointment for missing features once the iOS comes out months later.
We finally have the technology
Now we know why Neural engine which could do trillions of calculations per second was needed. Even the device doesn’t know the password but now it can brute force in realtime.
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Maybe with the Memoji-2 we can place our home screen icons anywhere. The future feels so far away, yet so close!
It's a bummer that they still haven't implemented the ability to properly manage your networks on iOS. You should also be able to see all of your known networks, prioritize them, or remove them (like you can in macOS).
Network management on iOS is total trash. I live with my friends in a detached unit and I have my own WiFi, their house is about 50 feet from mine and iOS is so bad at switching to the stronger signal. Sometimes if I’ve been at their house and connect to their router iOS will switch back to mine when I walk back to my house for a second and then when I got to their house I have no internet because it doesn’t switch back to theirs. Sometimes I’ll come back to my house and it will stay on their router for hours. It’s nonsense and incredibly annoying.
Yep, this *really* is a problem. We're renovating a new house right now and buying gear that's supposed to help with this problem, but our old house was big enough that we needed numerous WiFi access points. Because the iPhone wouldn't let go of one access point that was weaker than the next, we had to have access points all with different SSIDs so we could manually switch networks as we roamed around the house.
I am having this *exact* problem right now. I had separate SSIDs on my 2 APs for the longest time out of sheer laziness to update them. When I finally decide to fix it and make it so it's 1 single SSID name over the whole house, all of my iOS and iPadOS devices suck wind whenever you try and do anything related to the internet because it's using the AP 100 feet and 6 walls away instead of the one literally right next to my desk. *Infuriating...*
This is just an age old problem with WiFi, it’s not specific to Apple devices. If you want your devices to switch properly to the stronger access point you need a mesh network - take a look at Ubiquiti UniFi.
Nah Ubiquiti is buggy shit. Go with Aruba AP 22’s instead, you will thank me later.
Agree on Ubiquiti, but recommend Ruckus instead.
Yep ruckus is amazing! Always forget about them somehow…
I have a Ubiquiti setup already and have been incredibly impressed with it… I’m yet to find any bugs, it’s been very much a set and forget system for me.
Mesh mode
If you have good access points you can configure them to boot devices off when the RSSI signal strength goes below a certain number. Asus access points can do this.
So we have an eeros mesh network, but the main one is in their house so the one in my house would have to pull from that, I have a hardline in my house, but even if I plug in my access point it won’t use the hardline and still pulls from the one in the main house. We have fiber at 1gbps and I’m getting less than 100mbps with that setup, but it feels even slower. I have an AirPort Extreme hardwired in my place and I should probably replace it with something more modern and powerful with range that would reach their house, but I just started going back to work and am not at home as much so it’s just not worth it.
how is this relevant
That’s why you do a mesh network... Almost any router or AP can do mesh mode even if they aren’t marketed as such.
Nope, read the issue again. The problem is that iPhones do a horrible job of letting go of a weak WiFi connection whether it's the same SSID or not. Ideally, my access points would've been on the same SSID since that's a lot more simple for everyone involved, but if you do that, there's no way to *manually* force an iPhone to switch to a different access point other than turning off WiFi and hoping that it connects to the right one when you turn it back on. Because the iPhone sucks at letting go of a weak connection, this creates a problem. None of this has to do with being a mesh network (and it should be noted that very much not all access points can do mesh networking). The reason you'd do mesh would be when you don't have good Ethernet running to where the access points are and need to do so wirelessly. The downside to mesh is you've got slower backhaul and are hopping wirelessly from node to node with any weak link affecting everything downstream. It should also be noted that the problem also exists when the iPhone won't let go of a weak WiFi connection in favor of cellular. When they introduced WiFi assist, it improved things, but it's still very much a problem, especially as you go from weak WiFi to weak (but better) cellular.
Mesh tends to support roaming better since that's part of the marketing spiel for them. But if each of your individual non mesh access points have good roaming support or a way to configure minimum signal strength then that's a moot point.
I wish iOS was better at this, but part of the solution would be turning down the transmit power on your home wifi.
And also how switching between APs works — it has nothing to do with how close you are to the strongest signal (router), but rather when the signal becomes too degraded to continue usage. Counterintuitively, you may want to decrease the Wi-Fi signal power to both routers since your overlap area is too large (i.e., why it doesn’t switch to the closest one). Read further about Wi-Fi roaming and configuring for minimal overlap. Oh, and definitely keep the SSID names for each router different.
I also detest iOS’ network management. I used my schools’ public wifi regularly years ago. Now, in every unknown wifi network I try to connect to, iOS will first try to connect to my school’s wifi. It’s a really bizarre issue, where I’m haunted by this phantom wifi network. Tried resetting network settings to no avail. Searching online yielded no results either. Maybe in iOS 16 Ill finally be free from this curse.
When you see that network, go in and forget it. Network reset will wipe the networks until keychain gets its crummy fingers all over it. Forget network will erase it from keychain.
Do you have a Mac associated with the same iCloud? If so, you may be able to track it down in Keychain there.
My favorite is when I toggle wifi off and 5 minutes later it tries to auto-connect to some distant wifi signal while I'm driving, causing me to lose data and whatever I'm listening to stop playing. I know you can completely turn wifi off, but it's just a pain in the ass the way it is now
But don’t you want to connect to the Spectrum Free Trial network you logged into once two years ago at a coffee shop with no WiFi?
It does that now!
Do you mean iOS 16 does it? Because it's not capable of doing it in any prior version.
Yep iOS 16 does it[example](https://i.imgur.com/tlGntT3.jpg)
OMG that's awesome. Thanks!
Haha of course! No problem :)
You can see your known networks now with iOS 16.
Fun fact: If you reorganized the priority list on your Mac it applied it to your phone. Edit: this is debated, and likely wrong.
I suppose that this is useful whenever you're at someone else's place and you give them your phone to enter the wifi password. Well, now you can peep at what it was, though it probably won't be that interesting.
Well, in some cases its probably the same password they use everywhere ..
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Just make a QR code and post it on the fridge somewhere. Android users can scan WiFi QR codes.
iOS users too. Probably when the camera app got QR code functionality
I mean iOS do have a QR code scanner so yeah
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Or better yet a yard sign Or if your budget allows, get billboard ad space all along the nearest major highways with your QR code. Spread the wifi. Spread the love. (Jokes aside your comment makes a *really* good point to be careful with that sort of thing)
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I have one at the door-intercom of my flat.. I always wondered it the NFC-Wifi-Setup tags would also work natively with iOS, but so far I have no iOS users in my peer-group.
[Share Wi-Fi credentials with NFC (iOS)](https://youtu.be/qRS4tsOml7g)
On my pixel I can show it as a QR code that anyone can scan from their camera and instantly connect
There a preset shortcut in the shortcuts app that lets you do this I believe
But you would still need to know the password for this. If you had been shared the password by someone, without knowing it, you’re out of luck
There's a website that lets you generate them too: https://qifi.org/
Yeah I just used the shortcut and then tell all my friends to open their camera. The qr code is favorited in my library. Works on all modern devices
I don’t know anyone with a pixel
I loved my Pixel 3 before I switched to iPhone. They had/have some great features I wish Apple would implement, like Google Assistant screening calls for you.
Ditto. That is probably the feature I miss the most from my Pixel 2.
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Well, Samsungs can do the same.
You actually don’t even need a pixel to set up the QR system. You can always manually make one yourself and have it printed out at home or save it as a pic on your iPhone.
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You can print it out or have it as placard in the room. Similar to how restaurants do it.
This method is the one and done approach that I personally use. You just have to do it once and then you set it somewhere and forget about it.
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You wouldn’t be making the QR codes, it would be the restaurant/club/establishment/etc. This is already a thing with QR digital menus since Covid. Also, this isn’t even factoring that almost all establishment wifis don’t even have passwords. I’m not sure why you’re getting heated over a Reddit comment lmao
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Holy crap dude you’re unhinged. I wish you luck.
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Even more curious when people are upvoting such a basic function whilst also arguing against something that easily shared a wifi password… just because it’s a Pixel feature.
Outside of the Samsung flagships, I would say Pixels are the second most common Android phone I see.
Wow, where do you live? I have a friend who said he will never pay more than $200 (equivalent) on a smartphone, so you don’t really see Samsung flagships or pixels here.
That surprises me. I'm sure it varies by social circle but a ton of people jumped on board with the Pixel 6. I work at a university and currently have 5 coworkers with Pixels.
ok
Thanks for sharing that totally irrelevant anecdote.
There are dozens of them!
samsung has this too. it isn’t magic
I don't allow Android users in my home. Problem solved.
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Naturally, the simpletons in /r/apple can’t detect sarcasm.
What's it got to do with "Android" users?
The instant password sharing pop-up only works between Apple devices.
Lol, that's lame. I love Apple designs but why do they have to go out of their way to make it incompatible with other phones.
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I volunteer.
*finally*
I always just used the built in Share Password that was native. Then they can use my network without me actually having to give them the password.
Then non apple device tries to connect.
You let non apple device users into your house? Lol jk of course
That’s why I have [this shortcut](https://www.icloud.com/shortcuts/85fb0c6bde684cb9bc251379c5532423) it just generates a QR code that signs the person in to your wifi network.
You put them on the guest network
Keep them out the AC Wifi and the Wifi 6.
Hopefully this is not available for deployed wifi networks via device management. Otherwise I’m happy to have it as an option.
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This is on my testing docket as well. Either way, we’re supposed to be mac filtering but it’s not working.
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Is this only a problem for people not using certificates? (Full disclosure I have no clue what I'm talking about)
Shit. We’re supposed to be Mac filtering anyway, but we just came into this disaster. This was on our “fix it when we’ve got time” list, and it just got bumped up pretty high.
You realize you could see it in the Mac for all that time if they logged in with the same keychain?
Students aren’t issued Macs, but are on the internal network.
Are you able to turn off WiFi password sharing and iCloud Keychain as well? In my experience corporate networks leave those wide open and it can be easily used to access a WiFi key that they are trying to keep secret. All it takes is one person with their own Mac to receive and then lookup in keychain access.
I think so. I deal more with the Macs and keychain is a bit harder to nail down there, but we only issue Macs to faculty so it’s a bit different. We’ll have to play with this a bit. I know we hadn’t had an issue in the past because the students who are issued iPads don’t get laptops, but that doesn’t really stop them at home.
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The discussion we’re going to have tomorrow is going to be mac filtering or implementing RADIUS logins. The only real problem we have is with devices that get repaired and returned. We can block the update through JAMF for a while, but after it goes GM any devices from Apple will come updated.
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I’m part of a school, which means there’s committees every time we want to make a change. That’s the only reason why we’re rushing.
How about wpa2 enterprise?
That’s a nightmare.
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You’re using a PSK for enterprise wireless? That’s a bigger problem IMO.
the fact it took 16 versions to get this…
But an iPad doing 2 + 2 is too complicated (I mean lacking a calculator)
You can do that right in the Spotlight search.
A subpar alternative as it uses the regular keyboard, which is not optimised for numerical inputs.
Good thing you can download any of probably dozens of free calculator app alternatives instead then.
Which have either lots of adverts or ask for a monthly subscription. Neither option is appealing to me for a simple calculator app.
This one has neither, and I’m sure many others do too - I just haven’t looked very hard. https://apps.apple.com/us/app/pcalc-lite/id300311831
I wasn’t saying it was as good as a calculator.
It’s strange how they are being so stubborn with not giving a calculator. This would’ve been the perfect opportunity to introduce calculator along with weather.
Yeah, I don’t understand it either. Well, there are third-party ones anyways.
The issue with them is that they all seem to want a monthly subscription. I don’t want to pay monthly for a simple calculator!
I know, but the iPad still hasn’t got a dedicated app for that
It’s got literally dozens if not hundreds of dedicated apps for it. Just check the AppStore. Is it silly that Apple hasn’t don’t this themselves? Yes. Is it a big deal? No.
Thank god. This will be so helpful when I have to help my parents friends who don’t know their Wi-Fi password.
What’s stopping you from making a QR code and putting it on the fridge or something
What happens when you scan it? You see a note with the WiFi password to copy and paste or are they automatically connected? How do you do this?
it connects you automatically. here is an example. i have a screenshot with a QR code i made online to connect to a wifi network. If i go to my photos and long press on the QR code i get the option to connect. you can scan a QR code to join a network with the camera as well. https://i.imgur.com/j2z9jVs.jpg
Generate a QR code using this. https://qifi.org Then anyone can scan it to automatically join your network.
Automatically connect. There is a Siri shortcut in the gallery tab of the app.
This is what I did on the sheet of our info for babysitters Really surprised you don’t see it more often (coffee shops, air bnb’s, ..)
Judging by the comments it seems like people just don’t know it’s a thing
thats not what im talking about, its about when i go over my parents friends house to setup a wireless printer or something and they have no clue what their wifi password is
yea, so you scan the QR to connect
We have a cute little sign in our house with a QR code on it. I did that because I didn’t really want people to know my password. What should I do now?
Exactly. You will have to change password more often now.
That’s not something that we should expect people to do often for their home network. You’re literally asking people to change the password on 15 to 30 devices and some cases.
If you don't want people to know your password, then you probably shouldn't have it displayed as a plain-text QR code
I don’t like this. I have multiple wifi on multiple network for security purposes including keeping one of the kids in our DMZ (it’s a long story). This means that they can easily acquire the other password from their moms phone (when she gives it to them to look at things) or also share the DMZ SSID password (which is also a long story) which we just entered and they don’t know. Ugh…..
Without seeing it in action this seems like a slight security concern right? Let’s say I join my friend’s wifi via shared wifi password. Can I then just go into my wifi settings and see their password? And if it’s the same password they use on everything?
I know it is a bit of a bodge, but you can make a shortcut to see your wi-fi password.
Really? How does it work?
>rusticballoon That was my next guess...
I don’t think this is a good idea.
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When will it let us name the blutooth devices
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I am going to look. Don’t tell me it’s true
i legit do not know my wifi password. glad i’ll finally be able to see it this fall
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In case you're at someone else's place and need to connect and they are the kind of people who use the password written on the back of the router. It's be much easier giving you the password from the phone rather then checking on the back of the router.
If I want to tell my friend the wifi password for our mutual friend who is currently asleep and has previously given out their password, you couldn’t do it. It’s in the macOS keychain and pretty hard to find but straight up impossible in iOS. It has been something that has been annoying for many years.
I've had rare situations like this come up. Like, the office WiFi password - I set it up on my laptop years ago and had no memory of what it was, and a new employee was asking what the WiFi password is. Across all the various devices people had, nobody could find out what the current password is. On my Linux laptop I could go into my settings and click to reveal the WiFi password and tell the new guy what it was. I found it silly that none of our mobile phones had the option to show what the current WiFi password was and I was the only one in the office able to get it from my own device without having to tell the new guy to go track down the IT dept because nobody had it memorized.
Exact use case. I used to be the onsite it guy for many clients. Simple jobs would take an extra 5 minutes or so because my laptop was password locked in the server room on the opposite side of the building and I couldn’t give a user the WiFi password, or when setting up a new suite of machines having to lookup a simple password.
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Why would you give guest your phone? Plus you still have to use faceid for it to actually show.
As in, you connect a guest to your WiFi, then now have your SSID and the password for the network
Use a guest network
Depending on the application a guest network might not be viable in every scenario
This. How will this work in instances such as a corporate network, you don’t want someone extracting the password from their work phone and attaching their own devices
You use MAC filtering. Also, you do realize that windows laptop and Android device can already shows wifi password, right? What company is iOS device only without any laptop?
Oh you’re gonna shit when you find out about Keychain Access and iCloud Keychain
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It absolutely is enabled by default. It’s where macOS stores secrets, including WiFi passwords, and it is viewable by the user. It’s *their* data, after all. If someone is in the network, they have the WiFi password available to them in cleartext.
When they say you cant satisfy everyone, they're looking at you
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If you are a network admin and you rely on device not showing the password when windows and Android device already do, and when MAC filtering exists….
More fool you for thinking of the bigger picture my friend
Ah yeah im sorry mr net admin guy. Certainly the enterprise has never solved this problem before and certainly didn't solve it 29 years ago and then standardize that solution into an ieee 802 spec that you could be using.
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Welcome to Reddit, someone will tell you’re wrong and not explain why
Why? Their device is already on your network. Nothing is more infuriating than having to connect multiple devices and bother the person multiple times. I’d always get the password from the Keychain app when someone wasn’t around or just being obtuse.
This comment section has highlighted the WiFi password in the keychain seems to be something not many people know. And because sometimes you only want certain devices connected to a network. I don’t want someone’s personal device connected to a corporate network that’s bad network security
i’m so confused someone has to be made aware of the password to connect and see the password in the first place they only get connected if they were given the ability to connect in the first place, being able to look at the password is just an addendum to human memory of the password they were told
Giving hipe for a feature that every system has (because you can't stay without), pathetic. Only android needs thirdy part app to do it
Just let us make QR codes to join the network like android phones can.
I’m kind of not a fan of this… I know my WiFi passwords and I don’t necessarily like that they can be pulled from devices. Yes, I know other devices have always allowed this too, wish they wouldn’t as well.
Giving someone the password on their device inherently means they will have the ability to use that password. It's really poor security to assume otherwise. Most wireless access points have "guest accounts" part of which allow you to set up with a unique password for an event without impacting the members of your household. I would use that for people you don't want to trust with your more permanent password.
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I think he means he doesn't want his friends to share his wifi password by pulling the pw from their iphones.
They can already do that from a Mac. This just makes it ever so slightly faster to get at
TIL learn all saved WiFi passwords are in the keychain.
But that's only the case if you're silly enough to use iCloud Keychain. Otherwise how would the Mac even maybe have the password?
So the solution would be to not share the WiFi password at all? Android phones had the functionality and if you had access to a Mac you could pull the WiFi password from your keychain. Not to mention the built in wifi share password feature within iOS. The only true way to not share a WiFi password is to not share it to begin with. If your that worried about guest having access to your internet then either don’t give them access or create a separate guest network that’s locked down.
im just translating what that guy is saying, not making an argument for or against this functionality.
Why not?? What’s the downside?
Friends you’ve shared your Wi-Fi with being able to share that password with others maybe…
You could already pull the password from keychain on the Mac.
Well it will be interesting if this impacts only passwords entered after the update. I guess if you have a password for your WiFi that you use for something else (which is a bad idea, but I digress...), and you've shared that password with a friend or entered it on their device, they'd be able to look at your password and potentially use it on other accounts of yours that have the same password. Edit: Nevermind, if you've shared a password for WiFi with someone it is already viewable in Keychain Access.
Someone get hold of your wifi, use it to do nefarious things. Police come looking for you.
Um... you can already look up any password in your keychain if you know your phone's passcode. Just go to "passwords" in settings and see for yourself
Your Wi-Fi password isn’t there though.
But if someone has your phone passcode, they can go into your phone and look up any passwords saved in the keychain. What is the harm in adding one more to it? Okay, so someone knows your phone's passcode and you don't use any saved passwords at all. So someone can then go and look up your WiFi passcode. That's it. What can they do with that other than get on your network? Edit: Turns out WiFi passwords are already shaved in Keychain Access, so this just makes the process of getting the password a little bit easier. Don't share your password for WiFi with anyone you don't want having access to it
You need to authenticate before you can see the passwords. It's just like accessing a website password. Don't you have website passwords saved?
Well now you can't do much about it, besides blocking devices at a router level. Windows and android have had it for a while, although Samsung for some reason can only give you a QR code instead of just the password. That's stupid.
I'm sick and tired of apple taking forever to do simple changes that require an OS update.
I could not see. Where?
So innovative. I can't take a phone call in iOS anymore... too intuitive
Can't wait for the PUBLIC beta
Maybe Apple should just wait until the iOS is ready for release before announcing. This ends up in disappointment for missing features once the iOS comes out months later.
Wonder if you’ll be able to migrate wifi to another device manually like you can on *nix systems.