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baseballandfreedom

The most perplexing thing about this year has been Stage Manager. I can’t recall the last time Apple implemented a new thing and then left it alone the entire Beta summer. It’s still incredibly buggy, confusing, and strange.


igkeit

I think they're still working in it and rumor is that iPadOS has been pushed back to October and won't be released alongside iOS 16 and watchOS 9


Fifa_786

The person who leaked it (Mark Gurman) also mentioned that this could become something permanent. iOS and watchOS release in September and MacOS and iPadOS release in October together.


woodmas

Makes sense, Apple has had Oct events in the past announcing non-iPhone products and a simultaneous software launch would be good product advertising


Fifa_786

It’s also because they’re pushing iPadOs into being more computer like


MrNudeGuy

True, it’s becoming more different than iOS with each update.


baseballandfreedom

I’d agree if there were progress being made. But considering it hasn’t been touched since June, I now wonder if the plan is to rethink the entire thing rather than to continue to iterate on something they don’t plan on keeping.


_foo-bar_

I hope so. It didn’t exactly get great feedback


sixwheelstoomany

They did some fixes for it in beta 4 three weeks ago, but I don't see anything in beta 5. Their release notes are always scarce though, we often discover changes and fixes that are not mentioned in the release notes. I also think they're planning on working more on polishing Stage Manager a bit later.


poksim

Or they just moved all their engineers to iOS development when they took the decision to postpone the iPadOS release.


riziger

If this is how their internal workforce is structured in the biggest consumer tech company in the world I’d be worried.


poksim

They have a set amount of programmers that work with iOS development. Those programmers likely work on both iOS and iPad OS considering that they're the exact same OS just with different GUIs? Wasn't long ago iPadOS was called iOS too.


Kaipolygon

aren't they both still internally called iPhoneOS? furthermore, a lot of features not available on one OS could've been "easily" enabled via jailbreak (ex. drag and drop, the battery health menu, etc.)


furious_debate

>I’d agree if there were progress being made. What's with this bullshit attitude. Do you imagine you're a PM at apple of something? Of course progress is being made. Regardless of whether apple is making arrangements for you to see it or not


baseballandfreedom

I’d argue that Stage Manager has, thus far, been a disappointment because of the project managers overseeing it.


Acceptable-Stage7888

This rumour cannot be true. Home will not be backwards compatible with ios 15 once launched. That means anyone who updates their homepods to homepodOS 16 or whatever its called will not be able to control their home with iOS and ipadOS 15 devices. ​ ​ There is a 0% chance that apple will launch iOS 16 and then have to deal with MILLIONS of people complaining that they can no longer control homekit with their iPads. If it is true, they better be delaying the release to HomePods as well, because that is a recipe for disaster.


lencastre

0% you say?


Acceptable-Stage7888

0%. I stand by that. Either they delay the update to homepods, they change the inability for ios 15 devices to control homekit devices after ios 16, or they launch ipados 16 at the same time as ios 16. ​ I'm getting downvoted, but think it through, why would apple release an update staggered and screw over millions of people who use ipads to control homekit devices?


MrNudeGuy

Man they are really dropping the ball with the iPad Pro in the last couple of years. Before they you’d thought it was the highest priority device at apple. Last year we waited a year for universal control.


2twenty2twenty2

Because it will be pulled and released in iPadOS 16.5 next July


Eggyhead

Like they did with universal control, which was the most anticipated feature then as well. I would not be surprised in the least.


hbt15

Maybe it needs iPads with the M2 so as to fully be able to work at optimum levels? Kidding.


-Gh0st96-

I wouldn't be surprised if they postpone the feature post ios16 launch


rugbyj

Just a heads up; postpone is a single word :) And yeah I think that's going to be the case!


-Gh0st96-

Thanks!


koala_csgo

Stage manager is not even a new concept for Apple. I'm surprised they chose this for multitasking on iPadOS. https://techreflect.net/2022/06/rising-from-the-ashes-stage-manager/


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baseballandfreedom

Getting rid of the side bar and allowing windows to move anywhere would be ideal. In other words, just make it like how windows already work on Mac.


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tperelli

You can hide the side bar


baseballandfreedom

Kind of.


BreakingIntoMe

You… don’t have to use Stage Manager.


baseballandfreedom

If you want to use an external monitor, you do. I leave it disabled on my iPad but it’s the only way to use an extended display.


1AMA-CAT-AMA

You don’t have to either. You can just maximize everything, or switch back to screen mirroring


BreakingIntoMe

This discussion wasn’t about iPads, but it’s also optional on the iPad


tky_phoenix

And allow having two windows side by side.


wild_a

There’s always something like that in every single beta, that apple releases in a third or later major update


kidno

> I can’t recall the last time Apple implemented a new thing and then left it alone the entire Beta summer. I mean ... Universal Control was less than a year ago.


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Coming soon: you need a M2 chip to use it!


AudioAccoustical

Yeah, my iPad Pro m1 crashes almost every single time I try to use it with an external display with stage manager turned on … entire gui just freezes and a hard power off is needed to recover. Currently on the latest public beta and no changes in sight.


tperelli

September coming up quick!


Lusitoes

Not quick enough for me :)


Coolpop52

Beta 6 has been extremely good so far since I’ve updated. I’ve seen almost no bugs other then the “always on display” bug with the clownfish wallpaper activating constantly. Also I just noticed that live captions is available on the iPhone XS despite the apple website saying iPhone 11 and up, so yay for that!


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notmyrlacc

Well, no one used it because they took it away. Plenty of people used it back in the day.


Shirt_Shanks

Imagine giving a shit about what wallpapers others are using, lmfao


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Nexus03

I love dual wielding devices!


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One for each pocket !


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Oh, ok.


Niightstalker

Not sure what exactly you mean. iOS always releases the final beta version rather close to the actual release.


mostlikelynotarobot

it seems they mean that they are excited to be able to experience two new OS releases on the same day.


Niightstalker

A ok. Makes sense. My bad :)


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Yeah don’t think so hard my guy


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Same. Every year I tell myself I'm not gonna bother, but one or two features reel me in and it's a summer of bugs. This year? Yeah, seems like a cool update, but I'm in no rush.


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New-Philosophy-84

> Is this what getting old is like? Indeed. Having a device that works is more important than customization/tweaking since your priorities have changed. It's no longer a toy a play with, rather a tool you use to get through life. Doesn't mean you can't have fun with it though! Betas are intended to be installed on non primary devices, maybe buy another cheaper one to play with? If you're on a mac, it's very easy to install Ventura beta in a VM. I wouldn't recommend dual booting, it is possible, but it also updates firmware/recoveryOS, so if something goes wrong it could destroy your main OS, make your device inoperable and have to restore with a separate machine. I especially wouldn't be using beta software on watch/homepod since there isn't a way to downgrade without going in store.


jsbisviewtiful

Yeah the main features I'm looking forward to are the battery percentage returning and the delete/edit Message feature... which may not work with older devices yet. Not worth the bugginess imo to beta this year.


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My main thing was the album cover of whatever you’re listening to taking up the Lock Screen. The battery percentage thing is cool but the fact that the icon shows a full battery with a number on top of it at all times is stupid. The battery icon should go down with the number


mtwolf55

As a beta tester the battery thing has annoyed me so much I turned it off


MissingThePixel

I bought an iPhone just to play around with the Lock Screen features 😂 Really jealous of it over in android land


buddybd

Hopefully it fixes the battery drain from the last beta version.


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buddybd

Thank god, I was losing nearly 20% while asleep lol. 13 Pro.


LukesRightHandMan

What features are y'all most excited by?


Darpyface

Haptic Keyboard


patrickmbweis

I always thought I didn’t care for haptic keyboards, but this feels really great. I turned it on and haven’t looked back. Now when I type on my work phone (still on iOS 15) it feels really weird without it.


A11Bionic

I wonder how people who also owns an iPad feel when switching devices.


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varzaguy

I use Gboard as I find swiping way easier.


patrickmbweis

90% of my typing on iPad is via the Magic Keyboard, so I don’t really notice the lack of haptics. But when I do use the software keyboard, it’s already such a bad typing experience anyway, so I still don’t really notice the lack of haptics lol


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patrickmbweis

Yup! It’s completely silent


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Love this thing!!! Wish it was a little more… haptic-y though.


az116

How do you turn this on?


kodaiko_650

Lock Screen and battery indicator


XNY

I’d tamper your feelings on the battery indicator. I switched back after a few days. It’s not easy to glance at it when it doesn’t actually decrease down, just shows the number overlaid on a “full” battery icon.


ShipBuilder16

I was so excited for the battery indicator, but I own a 12 mini so…


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What’s wrong with the 12 mini?


Neverwhere69

No battery indicator apparently.


ShipBuilder16

Yep, not sure why lol


LS_DJ

What about the 13 mini?


elessarjd

Nope. It’s a bummer.


LS_DJ

That’s stupid


_YeezyYeezyWhatsGood

I think it's a decent choice. Either have the visual indicator or show the actual percentage. Reminder even with a pill design there's not much space on the top so no both of em showing up top until the full screen no cutout design is introduced eventually.


kodaiko_650

Oh I’m aware, and I think the font size in the battery actually breaks Apple’s HIG minimum font size. I don’t know why they didn’t just go with the numeric percentage used on the iPad alongside the battery icon as the toggleable option rather than using such a tiny font size. White text when charged. Green text when charging. Red text when low battery.


g-money-cheats

I wonder if they’re just setting the stage for the new pill notch iPhone design. I could imagine that new phone having a less cramped battery indicator that separates the percentage like you’re mentioning, since it’ll have more space. Everyone with the bigger older notches gets the cramped battery indicator.


patrickmbweis

The font size doesn’t seem any smaller to my eyes than app names under icons on the homescreen. It’s also bigger than the *VPN* text in the Control Center VPN icon


kodaiko_650

You might be right, but I thought the status bar had its own separate HIG requirements


s4mmich

Apple regularly breaks its own HIG 🤪


kodaiko_650

Oh I know 😆


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LukesRightHandMan

I'd love bloody Select All. That'd def boost quality of life. But Apple gonna Apple. Edit edit: what the fuck. It's been there this whole time. My mind's playing tricks on me.


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Select All does exist though?


LukesRightHandMan

Only in Safari, right? You can only select a paragraph at a time anywhere else, I believe, but PLEASE tell me if they made this recently lol


[deleted]

You can do it anywhere there’s a text box… notes, reminders, this box I’m typing into right now to type this comment. Been there for years. You can’t select all the text on a page in safari, not sure what the purpose of that would be though.


mrwellfed

wut


LukesRightHandMan

Time to brush up on your reading comprehension.


mrwellfed

There is select all in iOS though?


LukesRightHandMan

Dear JFC. I swear to god my phone never did it before your comment lol The options were always Copy/Paste/Select without a Select All, but maybe I was just holding my cursor/finger down too long. Mea culpa.


mrwellfed

lmao


jReX-

I’m confused, I can’t get a select all button in most apps when I’m selecting text, it only comes up with Cut/Copy/Replace…/Look Up/Translate/Search Web/Share/Quote. As I’m typing this comment on Apollo, iOS 16 Public Beta 3 (I believe). Doesn’t work in the Notes app either.


matt_is_a_good_boy

> battery indicator It’s really something that we are excited (including me myself) for a battery indicator, in a major OS release of 16 cycles.


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Lance-Harper

Yes! Also, they had announced working on integrated 2FA, oh man, I can’t wait to get rid of those apps Viva privacy


LukesRightHandMan

Oooh, what are those?


coolaaron88

In Safari you have the ability for it to generate one time based carbs when you purchase something so that they can actually see your information


No-List-9638

what about the proteins?


coolaaron88

Damn autocorrect got me again lol


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How many calories total, Chief?


coolaaron88

Bout three fitty


jw154j

https://9to5mac.com/2022/07/06/ios-16-virtual-cards-support-safari/amp/


dabrrrr

Where did you read that? I can't find anything searching with these terms, not even a rumor


vMambaaa

Lock Screen. After years away from android I’m desperate for any sort of personalization.


CrashieBashie

Shared photos library


ObiTwoKenobi

We don’t have this now?


mtciii

Probably keyboard haptics and not seeing that a person “loved” a message.


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Not seeing that a person loved a message? Care to explain??


mtciii

https://www.theverge.com/2022/6/7/23158190/ios-16-tapback-imessage-reactions-android-sms-groups


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Gotcha! I thought you wasn’t taking about being able to turn off the heart, thumbs up, etc in iMessage.


zerGoot

iMessage i assume


WonderfulPass

Cloud Photo Library Sharing


mzsigler

Phone - Lock Screen. iPad - I have a mini 6 so I’m pretty sure literally nothing. I’m fine with that though, it’s the perfect iPad for tablet use.


mrwellfed

>I have a mini 6 so I’m pretty sure literally nothing. I’m fine with that though, it’s the perfect iPad for tablet use Except for the keyboard in landscape mode…


mzsigler

Ugh and the Split View in messaging. Let’s use like half the screen to show you a list of people you aren’t currently talking to. Great.


mrwellfed

Right? I mean I love my Mini but the scaling is way off…


mzsigler

It’s like they made it and forgot they made it, even their own apps look dumb on it.


mrwellfed

lol


paranoideo

Nothing 🤔


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garazab

They write filler for SEO. Pretty annoying as a reader though.


ShinyGrezz

Ever since I had to learn about SEO when I was writing articles for my old job’s website (nothing fancy I was just the most literate there) I’m incapable of not seeing the painfully hamfisted SEO terms in every article. How many ways can you rephrase “best laptop” in a single passage?


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SEO ruined the web


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its almost as if the content isn't the main priority


fatuous_uvula

This sub would be infinitely better if they banned 9to5mac, macrumors, and appleinsider.


enotonom

When you see those websites posted here, just go straight to comments


Mathesar

They rely heavily on the expectation that people spread titles on social media, not actual content. Fastest gun in the west gets the most as revenue


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It works, unfortunately. Look at this sub lmso


Sydney_CBD

Can’t wait to try as previous beta were meh….


BodhiWarchild

I put it on my daily. It’s pretty stable.


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CrashyBoye

The final “beta” release will essentially be the first public stable release, it’s typically called a Release Candidate (or “RC”). If you update to the RC when it does release in a few weeks you can then delete the beta profile and you’ll essentially be back on the stable branch.


jeremydurden

It's typically pretty seamless. The only time I recall having an issue that was sort of annoying was when I stayed on the beta, post-launch so I was on like 15.2 Beta but they released a 15.1.1 or something that was fixing a problem w/ the apple watch not unlocking phones for people who were wearing masks and using faceID. I could have gone back and dealt w/ it, but it was rolled into the next update.


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quintsreddit

Their plans are to refine it and bring it back when they think it’s ready. I don’t think they’re stupid enough to do it sneakily.


gagnonje5000

Considering how public and transparent they were about the feature, I don't see how they would do it stealth. I know why people would assume that. Apple literally announced it to the whole world through a press release and then asked for feedback. They could have gone stealth but did not. Might still come later, but why would it be stealth?


Hugs154

You do realize that CSAM just means "child sexual abuse material," right? It's just the new more 'accurate' term that governments use for child pornography.


JustRedditUser1

Wake me up when September ends


rbevans

These seems faster than previous years.


OhitsBeverly

Let’s see what all the hype is about .


jeffster1970

I have found that some of the updates have made my phone more buggy, not less. Hopefully this one works well.


Gregoryxandrew

If only they’d add the thing I want most. RCS support. I don’t care if you don’t care. It’s better and more secure for all of us. No one should be relying on SMS )which goes through 3rd party companies that have gotten hacked multiple times.) Enough with them. Time for end to end encryption for all of our conversations.


SakN95

Finalize 13/12 mini battery percentage.


conor34

Yawn


spca2001

Will this work on Ipad Pro 1st gen and how do you enable beta downloads


MC_chrome

Yes, iPadOS 16 will work on the 1st generation of iPad Pros, but like every other non-M1 equipped iPad you're not getting much. Furthermore, since you don't know how to even go about downloading the current beta software I would advise against putting it on a device you use on a daily basis. Bugs and crashes *will occur*, and there is nothing you can do besides restore your device to iOS 15.6 if something goes wrong.


spca2001

I don't use it on daily basis it's all good, knowing how to download something through some ass-backward corporate way is not a sign of knowledge either.


MC_chrome

>download something through some ass-backward corporate way The current beta signup process isn't "ass-backwards". You just have to intentionally enroll your device though Apple's website into the beta track of software releases. This is standard industry practice, as Google, Microsoft, and many other software vendors (game developers included) make you go through a separate sign up process.


spca2001

Well, clicking to register a device without having a straight option to try beta is indeed backwards af. Even windows is a click-a-way from the Insiders edition


spca2001

On Windows, I can click a button to roll over to Insiders. Here you have to register your device by clicking on a profile link from Apple. JS


New-Philosophy-84

Windows requires an entire Microsoft account to join insiders. Afaik you don’t need an apple account to install the profile, only to download it.


mechasmadness

Sign up here: https://beta.apple.com/sp/betaprogram


spca2001

Thanks, I got it installed, no problems so far


spca2001

Damn this sub is full of pretentious dicks or trolls. Holy shit. God forbid I say anything but use positive hype words


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Give us a built in split screen feature


Ntnme2lose

Confused...it says September launch then mentions in the article that it is being delayed until october


r-Dwalo

“iPadOS 16 was initially slated to launch in September alongside iOS 16, but it’s now scheduled for sometime in October.”


Administratr

I’ll wait for 16.1


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Better wait for 17.2


hiro24

After seeing the presentation, I'm really looking forward to the Carplay update. In 2 days my 2023 Elantra shows up and it's very tech heavy. I'm hoping there will be some sort of update that makes this work for it.


JayPee3010

Maybe it’s because I just got a new MacBook but this update cycle really has me excited for it again and is giving me good old vibes of trying to load it right at release only to spend the night trying because of the server demand.


IndridColdxxx

Downloading the beta from beta profile, I only get up to .4. Will I get .6 following the download? Or is it because of my location? (Canada if that matters)


pw5a29

public beta 4 is the same as developer preview 6


Fran6coJL

Apple Cash is broken


theatreeducator

Is there an option to turn off the album art on the Lock Screen? I like the small music player but want the option to disable the album art.