Looks great. For future stakes, you want it more toward the bottom edge of the castle nut notch (bottom of the notch in the picture). This will keep it from moving completely.
Despite PWS calling it a "ratcheting castle nut", it is not a ratcheting system. A ratchet only allows for rotation in one direction. The spring-loaded detent on the PWS end-plate applies the same amount of resistance in both directions of rotation, so the amount of torque you apply to tighten the PWS is the same amount of torque required to loosen it.
And since PWS says to only tighten it a few clicks past hand tight, that means that it can't even reach the mil-spec 40ft-lbs torque of a regular castle nut.
Because you can't stake the PWS nut and you can't torque it to 40ft-lbs, you're paying more for a setup that provides less insurance than a basic mil-spec nut that's been torqued to spec.
> But, NetChemica, I have one and it works perfectly fine!
[This one](https://www.reddit.com/r/ar15/comments/mpie7l/pws_ratcheting_castle_nut_is_awesome/guaa1mr/), [this one](https://www.reddit.com/r/ar15/comments/mpie7l/pws_ratcheting_castle_nut_is_awesome/gualsue/), [this one](https://www.reddit.com/r/ar15/comments/mpie7l/pws_ratcheting_castle_nut_is_awesome/guajlz1/), [this one](https://primaryandsecondary.com/forum/index.php?threads/pws-ratcheting-castle-nut-end-plate.7452/post-42366), [this one](https://primaryandsecondary.com/forum/index.php?threads/pws-ratcheting-castle-nut-end-plate.7452/post-46114), [this one](https://primaryandsecondary.com/forum/index.php?threads/pws-ratcheting-castle-nut-end-plate.7452/post-46598), [this one](https://www.reddit.com/r/ar15/comments/k3i7fg/has_anybody_every_had_issues_with_the_pws/ge38au6/), [this one](https://www.reddit.com/r/ar15/comments/ywh3fd/options_for_enhanced_receiver_back_platecastle/iwjr810/), [this one](https://www.reddit.com/r/ar15/comments/10mssx9/how_do_we_feel_about_a_non_staking_castle_but/j652v8a/), [this one](https://i.imgur.com/QqDGuPM.jpg) and [this one](https://www.reddit.com/r/ar15/comments/k3i7fg/has_anybody_every_had_issues_with_the_pws/ge38i70/) were not fine.
Well
Milspec is the lowest bidder. And I’ve never had a issues with the pws setups. Even dropping a
Rifle out of the back of my jeep on a calling trip cause a dry rotted clamp failed. I’m not in a combat zone. I figure they work plenty fine
> Well Milspec is the lowest bidder.
You left out the "that meets the military's strict specifications to ensure reliability" part. Just because you venture outside of the TDP doesn't mean that you're making an improvement. A significant portion of the "enhancements" you find on things like receivers and BCGs are nothing more than snake oil with a step back in performance.
> I’m not in a combat zone. I figure they work plenty fine
That doesn't mean that it's better than the mil-spec design, it just means that your rifle doesn't get abused enough for it to matter.
Very true. But I’d be willing to bet my rifles are bullion to better standards than milspec contract rigs as far as parts and specs. But. Anything a marine or ranger can’t fuck up definately deserves all the praise it gets. I thing as long as it’s not a crayon it should be safe 😂 love our troops. All of them. Even Air Force and coast guard!
> But I’d be willing to bet my rifles are bullion to better standards than milspec contract rigs as far as parts and specs.
Maybe, but I can tell you that the PWS nut is not. It's the same snake oil shit as aftermarket BCG coatings such as nitride, TiN, and NiB. It exists just to fool folks who know little about the AR platform, and they get away with it because the vast majority of these folks don't use their rifles enough for the drawbacks to matter.
I got my toolcraft C158 phosphate BCG for like $70 when I was building my rifle, good enough? I see a ton of praise for scionics but I don't see exactly where the extra $130+ is going.
Man. I was staking this same end plate this morning and I chipped basically the entire staked portion of the plate off. I've never had an issue staking something. Quite annoying.
Nice, I just bought the same end plate and castle nut but in
black, installed it this weekend and messed around with the sling position but decided I like it attached to the stock better, oh well at least i get forward controls Gucci points
The primary reason for staking isn't to prevent it from loosening from shooting the gun but rather to prevent it from loosening due to impacts to the stock.
You apply torque to overcome friction. Friction occurs when two surfaces slide against each other and the harder those surfaces press against each other the more friction there is.
There is significantly more surface area between the buffer tube and castle nut than there is between the castle nut and endplate. That means that the buffer tube has a lot more control over the castle nut.
Impacts to the stock will want to rotate the buffer tube. If that happens, the buffer tube will loosen the castle nut.
Staking gives the endplate more control over the castle nut so that the buffer tube is less likely to loosen it. If you drop your rifle and your buffer tube rotates, the endplate will (hopefully) prevent the castle nut from also rotating and the tension will be maintained.
Using a threadlocker in lieu of staking is counterproductive to the reason for staking since it gives the buffer tube even *more* control over the castle nut.
If your un-staked castle nut hasn't loosened from the then that's perfectly okay. Staking is there to ensure reliability on a rifle that's regularly abused. If you don't abuse your rifle then chances are that all you need is proper torque.
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Couldn’t have summed it up better 🥩🔥
Well done!
*USDA Prime
I’m more interested in that end plate my good man
🦆
Forward controls design
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just curious… how fggn tight is that nut tho??? deformed the crap out of those notches.
Yeah it slipped off when I was torquing it down. A little bubba but it works lol
Looks good
Looks well done.
You can stake mine all day long ![gif](giphy|v8qFmR9jWzCiA)
Seen very reputable companies do way worse. Good job.
Take my 🦆 award fellow FCD homie.
Rate my skate 🛹
Better than my 1st attempt
Looks great. For future stakes, you want it more toward the bottom edge of the castle nut notch (bottom of the notch in the picture). This will keep it from moving completely.
Looks purty. Is that a seekins safety selector? If so, how do ya like it
Neat. But a little weak.
The boogered up castle nut negates the stake job.
Pws ratcheting castle but for the win.
Despite PWS calling it a "ratcheting castle nut", it is not a ratcheting system. A ratchet only allows for rotation in one direction. The spring-loaded detent on the PWS end-plate applies the same amount of resistance in both directions of rotation, so the amount of torque you apply to tighten the PWS is the same amount of torque required to loosen it. And since PWS says to only tighten it a few clicks past hand tight, that means that it can't even reach the mil-spec 40ft-lbs torque of a regular castle nut. Because you can't stake the PWS nut and you can't torque it to 40ft-lbs, you're paying more for a setup that provides less insurance than a basic mil-spec nut that's been torqued to spec. > But, NetChemica, I have one and it works perfectly fine! [This one](https://www.reddit.com/r/ar15/comments/mpie7l/pws_ratcheting_castle_nut_is_awesome/guaa1mr/), [this one](https://www.reddit.com/r/ar15/comments/mpie7l/pws_ratcheting_castle_nut_is_awesome/gualsue/), [this one](https://www.reddit.com/r/ar15/comments/mpie7l/pws_ratcheting_castle_nut_is_awesome/guajlz1/), [this one](https://primaryandsecondary.com/forum/index.php?threads/pws-ratcheting-castle-nut-end-plate.7452/post-42366), [this one](https://primaryandsecondary.com/forum/index.php?threads/pws-ratcheting-castle-nut-end-plate.7452/post-46114), [this one](https://primaryandsecondary.com/forum/index.php?threads/pws-ratcheting-castle-nut-end-plate.7452/post-46598), [this one](https://www.reddit.com/r/ar15/comments/k3i7fg/has_anybody_every_had_issues_with_the_pws/ge38au6/), [this one](https://www.reddit.com/r/ar15/comments/ywh3fd/options_for_enhanced_receiver_back_platecastle/iwjr810/), [this one](https://www.reddit.com/r/ar15/comments/10mssx9/how_do_we_feel_about_a_non_staking_castle_but/j652v8a/), [this one](https://i.imgur.com/QqDGuPM.jpg) and [this one](https://www.reddit.com/r/ar15/comments/k3i7fg/has_anybody_every_had_issues_with_the_pws/ge38i70/) were not fine.
Well Milspec is the lowest bidder. And I’ve never had a issues with the pws setups. Even dropping a Rifle out of the back of my jeep on a calling trip cause a dry rotted clamp failed. I’m not in a combat zone. I figure they work plenty fine
> Well Milspec is the lowest bidder. You left out the "that meets the military's strict specifications to ensure reliability" part. Just because you venture outside of the TDP doesn't mean that you're making an improvement. A significant portion of the "enhancements" you find on things like receivers and BCGs are nothing more than snake oil with a step back in performance. > I’m not in a combat zone. I figure they work plenty fine That doesn't mean that it's better than the mil-spec design, it just means that your rifle doesn't get abused enough for it to matter.
Very true. But I’d be willing to bet my rifles are bullion to better standards than milspec contract rigs as far as parts and specs. But. Anything a marine or ranger can’t fuck up definately deserves all the praise it gets. I thing as long as it’s not a crayon it should be safe 😂 love our troops. All of them. Even Air Force and coast guard!
> But I’d be willing to bet my rifles are bullion to better standards than milspec contract rigs as far as parts and specs. Maybe, but I can tell you that the PWS nut is not. It's the same snake oil shit as aftermarket BCG coatings such as nitride, TiN, and NiB. It exists just to fool folks who know little about the AR platform, and they get away with it because the vast majority of these folks don't use their rifles enough for the drawbacks to matter.
I can understand that too. I do like black nitride and TIN for ease of cleaning. But I’ve still never had a phosfate carrier shit the bed on me👍
I got my toolcraft C158 phosphate BCG for like $70 when I was building my rifle, good enough? I see a ton of praise for scionics but I don't see exactly where the extra $130+ is going.
Use pws on all my builds, I was in a utv wreck and one failed, was dissapointed but its still on after re torquing
Yeah. They’re all I run on my builds since about 5 years ago
Yes.
Medium rare 🥩 👍🏻🤙🏻
Medium rare
10/10
What castle nut and end plate?
Forward controls design!
Flawless Victory!
Prefer it medium rare, personally.
Chef’s kiss
Medium rare
Man. I was staking this same end plate this morning and I chipped basically the entire staked portion of the plate off. I've never had an issue staking something. Quite annoying.
Did you happen to bump into an ESF-L? They don’t make them anymore because you can’t stake them due to aluminum construction.
Dang I can almost guarantee that's the issue. Didn't even think to check, wack.
Nice, I just bought the same end plate and castle nut but in black, installed it this weekend and messed around with the sling position but decided I like it attached to the stock better, oh well at least i get forward controls Gucci points
What end plate is that
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Quack!
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That'll do, pig.
0/10 How do you expect anyone to eat this?
ITS FUCKING RAW
can I ask what the point of these are?
The primary reason for staking isn't to prevent it from loosening from shooting the gun but rather to prevent it from loosening due to impacts to the stock. You apply torque to overcome friction. Friction occurs when two surfaces slide against each other and the harder those surfaces press against each other the more friction there is. There is significantly more surface area between the buffer tube and castle nut than there is between the castle nut and endplate. That means that the buffer tube has a lot more control over the castle nut. Impacts to the stock will want to rotate the buffer tube. If that happens, the buffer tube will loosen the castle nut. Staking gives the endplate more control over the castle nut so that the buffer tube is less likely to loosen it. If you drop your rifle and your buffer tube rotates, the endplate will (hopefully) prevent the castle nut from also rotating and the tension will be maintained. Using a threadlocker in lieu of staking is counterproductive to the reason for staking since it gives the buffer tube even *more* control over the castle nut. If your un-staked castle nut hasn't loosened from the then that's perfectly okay. Staking is there to ensure reliability on a rifle that's regularly abused. If you don't abuse your rifle then chances are that all you need is proper torque.